The Persecution of Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff

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In late November 2009, I was informed about a story that was about to break:

“Hate school in Austrian Freedom Party (FPÖ)! Read more about how your tax money is used to sow hatred against Muslims! Speaker says: Muslims hate us, the Koran is an evil book!”

What happened? A young woman, a journalist, had infiltrated two of my seminars in October and November, illegally recording my presentation, and then reported me to the Austrian authorities, who in turn began an official investigation. The charge: Hate speech.

The outpouring of criticism from official Austria was astounding. From the vice chancellor to the chief rabbi, from a high-ranking bishop to party leaders: My statements – all taken out of context – were condemned through and through. I was even compared to Bin Laden by one Muslim official. Not one of these so-called leaders bothered to ask for clarification from my side. I was to be vilified, my statements were to be condemned, for two reasons. First, I gave these seminars for the “right-wing, xenophobic” Freedom Party and second, the content of the seminars described Islam.

FP: So tell us about your trial and where it stands now.

Sabaditsch-Wolff: Simply put, I have now been made a victimless convict. On December 20, 2011, my conviction for denigration of a legally recognized religion was upheld by the higher court.

What was the reason for this conviction, you may ask. Well, during the course of my seminars, I mentioned the choking EU directive “Framework decision on combating racism and xenophobia,” and in order to illustrate my point I told the audience about a conversation I had with my sister and how she believed that one should find a different word for Mohammed’s actions with Aisha. I said, “How does one name what he did if not call it pedophilia?” And this sentence got me convicted, for I am allowed by law to say that Mohammed had sex with a young girl, but I may not qualify this behavior as this is deemed “excessive” and thus denigrating. The Austrian state has created a victimless crime, and a criminal without a single victim.

The trial is now officially over. There is only one way to appeal, and that is taking the matter to the European Court for Human Rights in Strasbourg. But– this will cost a lot of money and will take a lot time (6-8 years minimum).

FP: Ok so what is going to happen? Are you going to appeal, go to jail? Tell us what options you face and what you are going to do.

Sabaditsch-Wolff: It would be dubious to speculate about any options right now as I have to wait for the written verdict and my lawyer’s analysis and suggestions. So I cannot do anything right now but wait and see. It is a fact, however, that I may have to pay the € 480 fine.

FP: Oh I see, ok, I will save questions about this for our next interview and as developments ensue.

So in the context of all that you have shared with us, what do you think of the prospects for free speech in Austria? For the rest of the EU?

Sabaditsch-Wolff: There is no free speech in Austria or the EU. I am not sure how many of your readers are aware of an EU directive that firmly limits freedom of speech.

A milestone in this ominous totalitarian trend was reached on 28 November 2010, when the member states of the European Union were required to implement an innocuous-sounding legal provision known as the “Framework decision on combating racism and xenophobia”, or, more fully, the “Council Framework Decision 2008/913/JHA of 28 November 2008 on combating certain forms and expressions of racism and xenophobia by means of criminal law.” According to the final article of the Framework Decision, “Member States shall take the necessary measures to comply with the provisions of this Framework Decision by 28 November 2010.”

Why does this matter to the cause of free speech in Europe?

If you read the full text of the Framework Decision (which may be found in the legislative section of the EU’s website), you will learn that “Each Member State shall take the measures necessary… to ensure that the following intentional conduct is punishable.” Such “intentional conduct” includes “conduct which is a pretext for directing acts against a group of persons or a member of such a group defined by reference to race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin.”

Based on what has recently happened to Geert Wilders and me — and earlier to Gregorius Nekschot, Jussi Halla-aho, and numerous others — we can all guess who will be punished under this provision of the Framework Decision: those who criticize Islam.

Jamie, these are the methods of a totalitarian state. They are more successful than those of the Nazis and the Fascists and the Communists because they are accomplished quietly and peacefully, with no need for concentration camps or gulags or mass graves or the shot in the back of the neck in the middle of the night. They are surgical strikes executed via our legal systems, and they are quite effective. Between the summary punishment carried out against Theo Van Gogh and the Framework Decision applied though our courts, there is no room left for us to maneuver.

We are systematically being silenced.

FP: How do ordinary Austrians respond to the kind of things you say in your seminars?

Sabaditsch-Wolff: They are shocked and dismayed. They feel helpless and often hopeless.

FP: What do you think Vienna will be like in 20 years?

Sabaditsch-Wolff: Even today, the city of Vienna is completely different from the city I left in 1997, when I moved to Kuwait. Back then, there were hardly any women in hijabs whereas today they can be seen everywhere and in large numbers. I have seen too many young girls in hijabs, sometimes younger than my daughter.

There are areas in Vienna where a non-Muslim Austrian would feel very unwelcome. The crime rate has soared, most often the perpetrators are of “Turkish” or “Tunisian” or “Bosnian” background. Whereas at first the media would not report the background, nowadays nearly all of them do so. And still, politicians still choose to ignore this situation, calling for even more integration (i.e. more tax money to be spent). The mantra is as follows: Integration can and must take place and the key to this is education. Only education will help these poor migrants. Only more understanding will help them. Only more Turkish language classes will help them.

I envision a city that is governed by a Turkish mayor, where Austrians are a minority, and sharia law is strictly enforced. Current trends point in this direction, and the indifference of the indigenous population to the situation makes this scenario possible.

FP: Ms. Sabaditsch-Wolff, thank you for joining Frontpage Interview.

We are all behind you my friend. Thank you for being such a courageous and noble hero and freedom fighter in our modern world. We wish you strength, perseverance and good fortune in the struggle ahead.

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  • PhillipGaley

    If religion is to call forth the best qualities of the individual, and better prepare him to live with his fellow man, object to religious references made in favor of Islam: Islam appears more as a hegemonic criminal ideology which is set for loss, persecution and death of non-participating individuals, . . .

  • Geneww

    God is love and had His son die on a cross so every person may have eternal life if they repent and accept His forgivesness of Sins.

    Since mankind is created in God's image and Satan hates everything God loves, Satan desires to destroy every person that may lead others to an eternal life with God.

    See http://jc.does-it.net for an absolute proof that God authored the Bible

    • mbean

      I hear you, and those pretty thoughts are just fine! Now let slip the dogs of war and kill all of the muslims, scatter their bodies before you and listen to the lamenting of their women!

  • Alex

    I don't think homosexuals, perverts or catholic priests can be considered to have any higher morals, ethic or standards then Muslims, that's just my opinion, We can all agree in that nobody is perfect and we will all get a lot farther if we just bring the good from eachother.

    • Guest

      I agree completely. As a matter of fact when it comes to sodomites, the Muslims have something better than Christians. They will eliminate the blight.

    • pennswoods

      There are over 80,000 Roman Catholic priests and brothers in the USA. Of that number less than 500 have been charged with breaking their holy vows and molesting boys. That is probably a smaller % of 80,000 men in the general population accused of similar crimes. Any bishop or other member if the Catholic clergy who helped cover up these crimes should be charged and if found guilty then sent to jail. Catholicism is the backbone of the most beautiful and advanced civilization that has ever existed, Western Civilization. Catholic and Christian Theology and beliefs ARE superior to the violence, love of war, mysogyny, specific hatred of Jews and Christians and all other "infidels, and the hatred that is all through the Koran and the Hadiths. Yes, Christianity IS superior to Islam in every way. A Mass composed by Mozart or individual sculpture carved by Michelangel is superior to anything Islam has produced since the time of Mohammed 1,400 years ago. During this Christmas Season, please keep in mind that Elizabeth Sabaditsch – Wolf's majoity Catholic Austria (the home of Mozart, Beethoven, Hayden), gave the world the beautiful Christmas Carol "Silent Night".

    • aspacia

      Now, we have two more sick bigots trolling this site. I know, and work with homosexuals, and have know Catholic priests. You are singling out a few priests who committed pedophile acts and have been incarcerated. In contrast, Muslims commit these acts and use Islam and Mad Mo to condone their actions

    • Viewpoint

      Homosexuals do not have an agenda, obligation to annihilate all hetrosexuals, bisexuals, and asexuals. Perverts do no have an agenda to annihilate all non-perverts. Catholics, at one time long ago, during the Dark Ages, did annihilate hundreds of millions of Christians and other non-Catholics, but they have long since given up on this Catholicism-expanding strategy… and I must add, that although a small percentage of Catholic priests have committed appalling crimes, they also readily admit that their behavior was corrupt, sinful… unlike Muslims, who not only commit murder for Allah, they boast about it, are glorified for it, and are even greatly rewarded for it. If not for the global-domination and murderous agenda of Islam, most non-Muslims would likely be content to live and let live… just as they have with all others… but when it is beyond dispute that the foundation for their beliefs and conduct; the Koran calls for the death, or enslavement of all non-Muslims… well, this distinguishes Islam as a distinctive and intolerable threat. Subsequently, your comparison, with all due respect, is weak, naive, and unreasonable.

  • anonymous

    Thank you!!

  • Enlightened

    With due respect, you are doing exactly the same what Islamists and Jehadists are doing in their countries: creating scare. I respect your opinions but please try to find something good about Islam and Muslims. I am sure there must be something there for Austrian people to know.

    • henrikrclausen

      "please try to find something good about Islam and Muslims. I am sure there must be something"

      Hm, if you are so confident that something good can be found, go ahead do it.

      If you're not able, why should Elisabeth – or others – be?

      • Enlightened

        I am going ahead with it. Thanks

        • Guest

          I have found something for you I feel is great. They will destroy the sodomites.

          • Martin Konvicka

            First, they will come after "the sodomites". Then, they will come after you.

    • Martin K.

      I am a Austrian and I’d like to confirm what Elisabeth said. We have a case of a Catholic Church in a now predominately Muslim area. Young Muslims not older then maybe 16 are vandalizing the building, at one point it got so bad they URINATED into the (holy) water-basin.
      One 13 year old beat up a young mother in a public bus, because she did not want to give him her seat, even though she had her child with her. The third incident (and of course there are many more…) three young Muslimas not older then 14 forced a older Women off the side-walk, and one said to her, “go to hell you old bitch!” They were all BORN in Austria, so who taught them this behavior if not their “Islamic” Scholars and Clerics? To them this was "good" because they showed the "infidels" their place in a islamic society. Today it becomes neccesary to "define" words like "good"! What is good in our POV might not be in the islamic mind!

      Now to your request to find something good in “Islam and Muslims” I’d like to point out that one can not equate all Muslims. Not all Muslims will take up the “armed jihad”, but some do. And 10% out of a 1,6 Billion people, now you do the math yourself! And the more of the different groups come to Vienna, the more volatile the situation will become, we see the conflict between “Kurds” and Turks are being payed out on the streets, in protest, one does not need to be a prophet to to foresee clashes in the future, with Austrians caught in the middle!

      Not each Father might kill his daughter because she wants to marry outside of Islam, but more and more of this will happen even in Austria! One Guy killed his wife, and he got a “reduced” sentence because of his Islamic “heritage” and the different ways they behave!

      As for Islam, again I saw at a “conference” how the “peaceful side” was paraded in front of people, while the fact of abrogation never was laid on the table, and when I tried to bring up the subject in the Q&A session, my question was read, but they gave a phony excuse that the time had run out. The “so called” peaceful side of Islam was put on a back-burner. it is only shown to us when they want to create a false impression and mislead us.

      • aspacia

        Currently, Europe may swing back to the 30's. Bad economy, however, instead of Jews Europeans may justifiably expel, persecute and prosecute Muslims for their violent, intolerant behavior.

        Remember, Jews never attacks any Europeans, but were sent to the ovens. Now we have Europeans with a bad economy being attacked by Muslims.

        I wonder.

    • William Fankboner

      I'll believe in the goodness of so-called Muslim 'moderates' when I see so-called 'moderate' Islamic states (like Malaysia, Brunei and Jordan) send some army brigades to Afghanistan to fight Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

    • William Fankboner

      The difference, oh Enlightened One, is that if I happened to mention Lot had sexual relations with his daughters and accused him of sexual abuse and incest, my house would not be fire-bombed by Christian extremists. Nor would I be pronounced an enemy of the state and prosecuted in a criminal or civil court. At worst I'd be dismissed as a disagreeable gadfly.

    • sod

      100% agree with you regarding what Islamists and jihadists are doing in their home countries, plus what they are doing to the Western society. Therefore nothing good about the Islamists and Jihadists could be mentioned.

      While they are trying to scare us, FP is trying to make us beware about the situation and things reported here are the exact things all the European politicians should be aware and act upon.

    • Martin Konvicka

      You cannot "find something good" where there is nothing.

    • Marjorie

      There is nothing positive to report about Islam. It is enslavement. Many Muslims just want to be left alone to live in a free country, but of course the Islamist heirarky fill them with fear and they have to comply. I am a western Christian and am not afraid of Islam. I will defend Jesus to the death, if necessary. We have multiculturalism where I live, but I do not recognize it. I love you, in Jesus' name.

  • Lisa_H

    I am flabbergasted by some of the above comments. Exactly how can the truth about Islam be told without "creating scare"? Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff is a brave woman who dares tell the truth. Simple as that. She obviously speaks from experience and knowledge, and I wish her all the best in her ongoing struggle with hapless bureaucrats and ignorant deniers.

    • Enlightened

      "Truth about Islam" is not that scary. If one is bent on finding ugly things about any ideology, it is perhaps one of the easiest things to do. Equating Islam with what Muslims do is quite common in the West. But this approach is flawed. One must guard against mixing cultural practices with tenets of Islam.

      • Lisa_H

        Then what is it that Ms. Sabaditsch-Wolff stated that you feel is a lie about Islam in regards to Mohammed’s relationship with Aisha and that caused her to be convicted of hate speech?

        • Enlightened

          I respect Ms. Sabaditsch-Wolff's opinion. I don't know how you came to the conclusion that I feel whatever she stated was a lie about Islam. What she did was against the law of her country. And she's being punished according to that law.

          • Lisa_H

            Ah, does that mean you actually approve of her telling the TRUTH about Islam and getting punished for that (even though you respect her opinion)? I can't quite follow your logic. This is Shariah law being brought to EU member states.

          • Martin K.

            She could as easily have gotten a NO GUILTY verdict. But the fact is just like in the 1970 many politicians were blind on the LEFT eye they are blind to the Islamic demands. Some time ago there was a huge scandal about the RCC and child molestations. Not one person defending MuuHAMmels actions would justify the behavior of a catholic priest, who ONLY molested one child. MuuHAMmel could not be a childmolester because THERE WAS ONLY ONE VICTIM > Aisha whom he married. Like I said, the same “defense” a catholic priest could put in his pipe and smoke it! No chance that it would be tolerated.
            The only good thing about this is the “Austrian" Law is man made and can be repelled and removed, unless until that time we have “Sharia” here!

      • Homer

        Enlightened, you are in complete darkness about the cruel tenets of islam. First study them and then return to comment here.

      • mlcblog

        This is not just finding fault to be mean, it's about principles that work better for all people. Freedom.

      • Martin Konvicka

        "Equating Islam with what Muslims do is quite common in the West. But this approach is flawed."

        Very true.
        Whoever dares to study authentic islamic sources – Quran, ahadith, sira – quickly learns that the core of islam is much, much worse, than the humble activity of real muslims.

    • RoguePatriot6

      Lisa, I agree with you however the plight of Elisabeth is pretty much a foreshadowing of what our own country is headed towards. Geerdt Wilders was another prominent political leader that was tried and fortunately found innocent of the same charges. Geerdt Wilders came to the U.S. in 2009 to warn us of the impending dangers of Islam and it's teachings of hate and violence. He was greeted at the university in protest. They labeled what he was going to say as "hate speech.

      We need to take back the right to educate our kids because it seems that socialists are the dominant influence in our schools.

  • LindaRivera

    http://www.politicalislam.com/tears/pages/tears-o
    Tears of Jihad.
    These figures are a rough estimate of the death of non-Muslims by the political act of jihad.

    For 25 million slaves delivered to the market, we have an estimated death of about 120 million people. Islam ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa.

    120 million Africans

    60 million Christians

    The country of India today is only half the size of ancient India, due to jihad. The mountains near India are called the Hindu Kush​, meaning the “funeral pyre of the Hindus.”

    80 million Hindus

    In jihad only Christians and Jews were allowed to survive as dhimmis (servants to Islam); everyone else had to convert or die. Jihad killed the Buddhists in Turkey, Afghanistan, along the Silk Route, and in India.

    10 million Buddhists

    This gives a rough estimate of 270 million killed by jihad. http://www.politicalislam.com/tears/pages/tears-o

  • LindaRivera

    God haters, immoral ruling elites demand that we all submit and accept terrible suffering and future horror from Islam.

    Historian Will Durant:
    "The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex of order and freedom, culture and peace, can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within."

    In the the last 1400 years, Islam killed 270 million people: 120 million Africans, 60 million Christians, 80 million Hindus and 10 million Buddhists.

    Bible: And GOD said, "What have you done? The voice of your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground." Genesis 4:10

  • http://www.contextflexed.com Flipside

    Good thing she wasn’t from Israel talking about Moses. Haredi Jews would have stoned her to death.

    • Martin K.

      I doubt there are Haredi Jews in Vienna. Just in case you missed it, the topic is not how Haredi Jews view their world, but how Schariah law is forced down the throat of people in the NONE-ISLAMIC west. And what Elisabeth S-W describes I can see daily.

    • Guest

      Or even the US. The SPLC would have black listed her.

    • Steve

      No! Israel has freedom of religion. Islam is the cut throat religion of so-called peace.

    • sod

      Apparently you know something but you don't know anything. She won't talk about Moses because Moses didn't marry a kid, therefore your assertion would never happen.

      If you think a few thousand Haredi Jews are bad enough, then millions Islamists should be very bad in your opinion.

      • http://www.contextflexed.com Flipside

        There are millions of Muslims. I don’t know what millions of “Islamists” are.

        • Ted G

          Flipside, in this and all other discussions you enter with your inane comments, you continue to be like a fly circling around the picnic spread, annoying yes, but otherwise irrelevant.

  • William Fankboner

    The difference between Euro-Islam and America is that if I happened to mention that Lot had sexual relations with his daughters and accused him of sexual abuse and incest, I might be shunned in church as a disagreeable gadfly, but Christians would not fire-bomb my house. Nor would I be declared and enemy of the state and prosecuted in a court of law for hate speech.

  • William Fankboner

    The difference between Euro-Islam and America is that if I happened to mention that Lot had sexual relations with his daughters and accused him of sexual abuse and incest, I might be shunned in church as a disagreeable gadfly, but Christians would not fire-bomb my house. Nor would I be declared and enemy of the state and prosecuted in a court of law for hate speech.

  • William Fankboner

    Hi Jamie,

    I realize FP must exercise some control of reader comments what with all the extremism out there, but I don't understand why my comment was rejected as objectionable. After all, your interview with Sabaditsch-Wolff was on the very subject of state censorship. Here is my comment to the comment of a reader calling him- or her-self 'Enlightened' —

    "The difference [between America and Euro-Islam], oh Enlightened One, is that if I happened to mention that Lot had sexual relations with his daughters and accused him of sexual abuse and incest, I might be shunned in church as a disagreeable gadfly, but Christians would not fire-bomb my house. Nor would I be declared and enemy of the state and prosecuted in a court of law for hate speech.

    "I'll believe in the goodness of so-called Muslim 'moderates' when I see so-called 'moderate' Islamic states (like Malaysia, Brunei and Jordan) send some army brigades to Afghanistan to fight Al Qaeda and the Taliban."

    Please tell the imbecile moderating the comments department there is nothing remotely resembling hate speech here.

    Best regards,

    William Fankboner
    Indio, California

  • Ghostwriter

    Amazing,Flipside. This had nothing to do with Jews and yet you use this as an excuse to attack Jews. You are still a disgusting human being and I hope you got nothing but coal for Christmas.

    • WilliamJamesWard

      I would have left it at "disgusting" human may be going to far.
      ……………………….William

    • http://www.contextflexed.com Flipside

      Everything on this website is either by or about Jewish racists. Wolff was even stopped by ICE en route to a racist conference in West Palm Beach which is the Jewish mail and securities fraud capital of the US.

      • Martin K.

        Flipside typed: "Everything on this website is either by or about Jewish racists."

        No it is not, not until you came along and changed the subject away from Austria and how the lawmakers there cowtow to Islamic demands. So far I have not seen any efforts by Jews in Vienna to enfource their "life-style" on us. Yet Muslims daily want to change our society to reflect Islamic demands.

        • http://www.contextflexed.com Flipside

          This is a Zionist hate site.

  • WilliamJamesWard

    Investigating Islam and it's demeaning effects on free culture, the odious and
    criminal behavior of it's adherents, I wonder how any but a paid for opinion
    could advance some good to islam. Religion of Peace hardly. If good existed
    in Islam it would be evident, in absence of any there is nothing to report as to
    any good and if nothing is there it does not exist. Not the preponderance but
    the entirety is dark and foreboding, totally lacking in grace and good by which
    any person can give a good report, unless being beheaded last or tortured least
    is of value…………………………………………………….William

  • http://www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm Alexander Gofen

    It is unbelievable what became an official dogma in Austria, the land of Mozart and Beethoven:

    "Integration can and must take place and the key to this is education."

    Education of whom: of cannibals? Of the 7th century desert dwellers?

    "Only education and more understanding will help them. Only more Turkish language classes will help them." (!!!)

    - says the Vienna's elite after just 3 centuries since Vienna was sieged and nearly swallowed by Turks! Shame and curs on you!

    May Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff be blessed, as a prophet admonishing the fallen nation.

    We do know what is right: Finally there will be no head-scarfs in Vienna. Nor any moslem would feel safe and comfortable to appear there ANYWHERE. Moslems do not belong to the nation of Mozart and Beethoven: plain and simple. Yet it will get much worse and ugly before it gets right – and the "elite of Austria" will get what it deserves and much worse.

    • WilliamJamesWard

      Trouble seems to start in Austria and you are correct Alexander and I hope
      that the elites will go away and the sooner the better………………William

  • traeh

    This was a good interview, but Jamie Glazov should have asked Elizabeth if there was anything front page readers could do to help, some way they could donate to her legal costs or the like.

  • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ JasonPappas

    The core principle of Western Civilization is that no idea is exempt from critical examination. Laws against "hate speech" are laws against Western Civilization.

    Let reason be our guide and subject every proposition to her scrutiny. I fear no discussion or examination of my beliefs. Why does Islam?

  • Mo_

    This WILL be happening in America soon.

    • aspacia

      I hope not. O may be gone, PLEASE, PLEASE, with him Hilary and the UN gun control malarky. We have the freedom of speech in our Constitution, PERIOD, and screw the academics.

  • kafirman

    I opened my eyes. I saw the suffering of homosexual men in Kuwait, not just the expats, but also the Kuwaitis.
    Ugghh. Multiculturalist Sabaditsch-Wolff lays a multiculturalist terd.

    The Multiculturalist's war against "nature and nature's God," insures that the West is, at best, a kingdom divided against itself. Multiculturalism is the key to aiding Muslims to demonize the homosexual and multicultural West and to instead choose the most comfortable way of jihad. To the eyes of the Muslim tempted to go full in with Mohammad and jihad, Multiculturalism makes the Islamic plunge appear more moral than Western libertinism.

    • Steve

      Islam's considering homosexuality abnormal is one of the means by which they will gain wide support in the West.

      • kafirman

        Exactly. However there are other belief systems which still uphold natural law that will compete with Islam for the anti-homosexuality vote.

  • No Dhimmi tool

    Unfortunately, I have to say that with demented and idiotic "leaders" like those who convicted this fine woman, Austria deserves its fate as a Third World Muslim country – coming soon.

    Disgustingly stupid and imbecilic – these morons should be ashamed of themselves, especially that lunatic "young woman" who started all this trouble. SHAME ON HER. She's utterly despicable.

  • Steve

    In America the same trend is being carried out by the Progressive Democrats using the Mexicans….they've set up a "nation within a nation" using so-called "sanctuary cities".

  • Michael

    Slowly, but surely I started to educate myself. I opened my eyes. I saw the suffering of homosexual men in Kuwait, not just the expats, but also the Kuwaitis.

    This woman’s multicultural anti-Christian world view is what got Europe in this mess to begin with.’in her world its ok to be a sodomite, but Islam is what scares her. She only has one eye open. Until Europe realizes that it’s rot came from rejecting Christianity, no good will come to that continent.

    I’m not talking organized religion, but a true relationship with Jesus Christ.

    • kafirman

      Amen. Anchoring the soul of a nation to On The Origin of Species and the Preservation of Favored Races and to Das Kapital is a prescription for national suicide. Hello David Horowitz. Are you listening?

  • Hospitaller

    One can only choose faith out of their own free will, except in an islamic country
    Jesus – Choice
    Allah – Submit

  • CourtIsAJoke

    of course, let muslin f**k these little kids, so let them start with yours… dear court!