Occupy Wall Street Out!


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That one of the country’s most left-wing cities can no longer tolerate the presence of the OWS protestors is telling. And Oakland is not alone in deciding that it has had enough. Police in such right-wing hotbeds as San Francisco and San Diego also cleared out OWS camps over the weekend, and another 130 OWS protestors were arrested in Chicago. In New York’s Zuccotti Park, where the protests began, there is growing pressure from residents and local businesses for a similar crackdown, as protests have brought blight to the area and driven away customers. “A lot of tourists coming down from hotels are so disgusted and disappointed when they see this,” one sandwich store proprietor near Zuccotti Park told the Associated Press. “I hope for the sake of the city the mayor does close this down.” OWS protestors may think that they are sticking it to America’s rich, but it is small-business owners and residents who have been most put out by their campaign.

The spate of evictions has not gone down well with the protestors, of course. In response to their ouster, many have taken to denouncing “police brutality” and political “repression.” One OWS protestor in Oakland lamented, “I’m hoping our city government comes to their senses and stops dealing with us like a fascist state.” Left-wing groups like the ACLU have rallied to their defense, claiming that OWS’s squalid tent cities are really “symbolic speech that’s protected by the First Amendment.”

Leaving aside the fact that police have exercised extreme restraint, something that cannot be said for the often-violent protestors, cities are well within their rights in clearing out the protests. Not only are the protestors breaking the law by camping out on public grounds, but they have repeatedly defied orders to vacate. Thus, this week’s evictions are unlikely to be the last. The movement’s defiant spokesmen may insist that “we’re not going anywhere,” but they almost certainly are, and soon.

Troublesome as they have proved to their host cities, it would be inaccurate to say that no one has benefited from the OWS protests. In New York, some enterprising folks near Zuccotti Park have tried to capitalize on the anti-capitalist scene by selling everything from Occupy Wall Street sweatshirts and buttons to condoms. One couple even tried to trademark the name Occupy Wall Street. If the protestors weren’t so busy breaking the law and blaming capitalism for all their woes, they might notice the irony.

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  • Stephen_Brady

    I've participated in at least a dozen Tea Party events. All of them lasted just a few hours, everyone left when the protests were over, and we "policed" the area, to make sure that we didn't leave trash … or worse … on the grounds.

    It would appear that Oakland decided … themselves hippies who grew up and actually ran the city … to tell the smelly hippies to get off the lawn and go home.

    • Asher

      I have attended them too, and they are respectful, talk about the Constitution, the laws of the land and what this country can do to get back to fiscal responsibility, the capitalist system which benefits everyone, the defense of marriage act, illegal immigration, Obama care and other issues that seek to destroy our freedoms and way of life. There is none of this rebel-rousing mob mentality and chaos!

  • Tom

    What a load of ka ka this article is. Can you be any further entrenched in the rear end of the elites. They care not an iota about you. And here you defend them heroically by completely mistating OWS's clear recognition of the imbalance of power towards corporate interests via the purchase of our elected officials. Way to go stooge.

    • Rifleman

      So sayeth the soros suppository. We take care of ourselves, we don't need anybody or any government to care about us. Yall are the ones that make elected officials powerful enough to be worth buying in the first place. Way to go fool.

      • davarino

        Man you dont understand, he is out there fighting for us, cause we are stooges. Corporations should be non profit organizations that just give money away.

        Oh, and dude, break it down for him cause he probably doesnt know what a suppository is. Its a big word

        • Tom

          I do not believe that corporations should be non profit. I think capitalism and corporations are fantastic concepts. I fully support them. However, I do not feel that corporations should be afforded the same rights and priviledges as human beings. I do not believe that they should, through massive contributions, drown out the interests of the US citizenry and garner disproportionate consideration.

          • Rifleman

            I believe the problem is government assuming power it shouldn't have in the first place, and taxing and spending outside the authority of Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution.

            If corporations are going to be taxed like human beings, they should have any other applicable rights and privileges.

          • coyote3

            Then you better get a law license, and work hard to get the Supreme Court and most of the state supreme courts, to change a whole bunch of case law, because that is where this came from. You can protest until you freeze to death this winter, and it won't change one decision. Typical useless, feel good, bravo sierra.

          • Herman Caintonette

            The courts have been bought, lock, stock, and barrel. Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia — the only real hope for those of us who care about the rule of law — have their noses so far up the corporate trough that they are no longer even faithful to their own stated judicial philosophy.

      • wdwrkr

        R-man,

        Very good observation; "……make elected officials powerful enough to be worth buying in the first place."

    • StephenD

      Tom, you site the issue as being the "purchase of our elected officials." It seems to my simple mind that this needs to be addressed. First, what can be done? Well, since they are "ELECTED" officials, we can vote them out. Also, should we wish to make our grievance known and focused, we should be in D.C.. So to me, though you may have some (I hesitate to offer any validity to this "movement") issues that warrant redress, you are barking up the wrong tree. It's like watching a puppy getting all worked up looking at himself in the mirror. Doesn't do a damn thing for his "cause."

      • Tom

        Wall Street is where the real power is. The marionettes in Washington have long been manipulated by their masters elsewhere. I'm not a hippie lib. I am a working professional who is greatly concerned about the direction of our great county. People striving for change and the betterment of our system as a whole have my support. It matters not to me where they assemble.

        • Rifleman

          Nonsense Tom, if the power wasn't in DC, there would be no need to manipulate politicians. As long as the power is there interested parties will find a way to influence and manipulate it.

        • r.j.

          WASHINGTON is where the real power is! Washington makes ALL of the rules and regulations Wall Street has to operate under. Washington shakes these people down and they pay dearly to get Washington off of their backs! Our government acts like the mob. Pay your "protection" money or else! Some companies find it advantageous to join in the fun and have the government stomp all over their competition and give them all kinds of sweetheart deals. GE anyone? Our federal government is totally out of control and every damn thing that is wrong with this country leads squarely back to it and the way it has totally abrogated, circumvented, or just plain ignored our constitution. Pull your head out of your butt and help put this monster back in it's cage before it enslaves all of us!

    • Loupdegarre

      Well Tom where were you on Feb 20th 2009, the day after Rick Santellis' Rant on CNBC that was the basis for the Tea Party. If you were so concerened why did it take you little dweebs almost 3 years to wake up and smell the coffee. Or did it take you and your mentor George Soros this long to plan this BS?

      • Tom

        I support both the Tea Party and OWS. In my humble opinion they are not mutually exclusive movements. I do not have any affiliation with Mr. Soros, nor do I know anything about the man. Why can I not have my own opinion without being associated with someone I do not know?

        • Trebuchet

          It's tough to walk a straight line when backing up

        • R.j.

          Do you support the complete collapse of our country and financial system Tom? Do you hate Jews? Do you think it is "fair" for blue-collar working guys like me, who never had the opportunity to go to college, to foot the bills for others to do so?
          The Tea Party wants our country restored to it's founding principles. They want the government confined to it's legitimate functions. This group of barbarians wants it scrapped for their vision of Utopia which will turn out to be a living hell as it has everytime their way has been tried. There can be no honest comparison between the two despite the fact that some of their grievances may overlap. They are as different as night and day!

        • Buddy

          I might be a little bit like you. I'm a liberal but not a leftist, and I agree with OWS and TP that corporate welfare needs to go.

          I think its possible that a movement that starts on the blue state part of the divide could gain wider traction, but not OWS. Maybe where you're at, it's different. But not in NYC, obviously not in Oakland. This thing was called for by Adbusters, and I can tell you from my own observation its primarily staffed by the tiny but persistent sectarian left that tends to give virtually every blue state protest a bad name. Seriously, just read the comments on occupywallstreet.org. There's a sprinkling of folks with comments similar to yours, but way more "down with capitalism."

          As a person who pretty much adheres to most of the standard social liberal positions, the TP is not my party either, but there is one area where the "paranoid" rightists" are completely right on. If the TP had its origins in a call to action from the editor of a small right-wing magazine that in its pages espoused genocide, game over. The media would have had it DOA, and rightfully so.

          • Herman Caintonette

            You mean, like the Tea Party was astroturfed by the Koch Klux Klan's Americans for Prosperity?

      • r.j.

        This thing is phony as a $3 bill. Total AstroTurf. Unions. Acorn. Marxist anarchist radicals and a bunch of "useful idiots" to round things out. Obama is in deep sh$&! The internal White House polling shows him sinking like a rock with the American people. He is in for a massive ass-kicking next November. This crap is supposed to scare us into submission. It didn't work in the sixties and it won't work now either. The American people do not identify with these whacks. The more violent they get, the better. They are going to be a massive Tea Party recruitment tool. Thanks leftist weirdos!

    • mlcblog

      To me, your logic is twisted. It's not about defending some idea of "elites" that you so clearly so and which leaves me wondering what you are talking about. It's about keeping our cities clean and nice so people can shop. Simple, huh?

    • JonnyD

      You are a fool! It makes zero sense to protest banks on Wall Street, when it the government who facilitated the bailouts, not the other way around. I could get behind protesting the WH and Congress. Stop being a leftist puppet, tool.

  • tanstaafl

    When the cops say leave, leave.

    • Herman Caintonette

      Sieg Heil!!! You'd make a great Nazi. Go back to polishing your Gott Mitt Uns belt-buckle.

      The right to peaceably assemble trumps local anti-protestor ordinances.

      • UCSPanther

        I intend to clear this road, and I intend to clear it NOW! – RCMP sergeant Hugh Stewart at the 1997 APEC summit riot…

      • Western Canadian

        And in your mind (scary place), peaceable assembly includes litering, defacating, protesting the influence of jews, demonstrating levels of ignorance about govenment, wall street, and anything else that randomly enters and is trapped in their ‘minds’.

        • Herman Caintonette

          If you had a mind instead of a vacuum, Canuck, you might even know better.

          Speaking about ignorance of government, even the Republicans' leading candidate doesn't even know that the President doesn't sign constitutional amendments. The Tea Party is the corrupt leading the insufferably stupid.

          • Western Canadian

            I have both a mind and education vastly superior to yours, but considering how dim and ignorant you are, that would be nothing to boast about. Your love of smearing your opponents is boring, as are your posts.

          • Herman Caintonette

            I can find no objective evidence of that, WC. And your three postgraduate degrees (I have two) are in what? Underwater Basket-Weaving?

            WC: "Your love of smearing your opponents is boring,"

            Considering that it is your modus operandi, you must be one exciting guy.

      • coyote3

        Not exclusively. If the protest and the ordinances addressing them are based on nonpolitical legitimate state obejctives, e.g., health and safety, sanitation, and blocking the public way. Now, if they made an ordinance that OWS protesters could not protest, then they would have a problem. Another way they might have a problem, is that if they enforced the law(s) against OWS protesters, and did not enforce it for other people. (although the later would be much harder to prove). The problem that they had in the south in the 50s and early 60s was that they refused to issue any type of parade permits, and when they did so, they added additional restrictions that were not part of the permit requirement to begin with. Then they openly attacked the protesters, even in cases where they posed no threat. Although, there were cases where the civil rights protesters "did" attack police, the retaliation was widespread, and was not applied to other types of protests. We have learned a lot, even here in the south, since then, and you certainly may, and have a duty to enforce local ordinances/state laws regarding protests, providing they are politically neutral, and address legitimate state police power issues.

  • matt

    That is fine but what comes next a cop getting his head blow off at the traffic lights, no one knows, that is the whole point. It was reckless, they have no patience and if you are going to make the problem bigger and you do not know the outcome and cannot control it. Think first. Odds on this can be shut down during winter, but it is local politics and police politics. Divide and conquer, so that if violence is need then it will not spread across the country. There is a whole tool box of options, the first is as Israel did patience, which Mubarak was advised to do.

    • davarino

      What?

  • 2011

    Why force and violence? There is no need for it. The movement is largely peaceful. Why not wait and see if the protesters can last winter? That's a test of their will power.

    • davarino

      Ya, after they have destroyed the parks, and the city/tax payers (people they are supposedly fighting for) get to pay for the mess they leave behind. No, they are free to say what ever they want, but not to destroy property

    • http://www.poeoplescommonground.org peoplescommonground

      The movement is co-opted by the antipolice Anonymous group who are coordinating police clashes, spreading tips on how to get arrested, etc. Pay attention. Who brings paint bombs to a peaceful march?

    • Rifleman

      Who cares about their willpower? They're breaking the law and trashing public and private property.

    • mlcblog

      Peaceful? I guess you mean most are not physically violent.

      Let's define violence. Here we have a violation of public property. Viol = same word and meaning as violent. Crossing boundaries, out of order and offensive, even legally so.

      It is a violation to defecate in public as common sense tells us is happening in every park. It is violent to stay where police have told you to leave. A violation against society who are protected by the police, who in this case are the model of patience, even though I see the all too predictable left wing trumping up charges against them, as usual, even stooping to probable photo shopping.

    • r.j.

      Yeah it's so peacful with allmthe civil disobedience, antisemitic elements, and a box of bricks confiscated at one of the occupy movements. I've read rules for radicals and van Jone's little pamphlet and I recognize this for what it is-a socialist rebellion! If you want to live like a commie, go ahead. There are tons of totalitarian states where you are nothing but a number to be ground into dust as the state decides to choose from, So GO! No one will stop you! Promise. There is only one United States of America, however, and we want it as it was founded with limited government and freedom and opportunity for everyone!

  • Coachwkr

    Ann Coulter's book about liberals and their mob mentality, Demonic, is more and more relevant each new minute. She sure knows the left.

  • PatriotX

    “Why force and violence? There is no need for it.” It’s a simple issue. Do not break the law. We have police for a reason, when they tell you to leave. Leave. If you break the law and become defiant in the face of authorities don’t cry and complain about police brutality. Don’t cry “political oppression” when it’s criminal oppression.

    The so-called “terrorists” Tea Party members got their point accross and it didn’t involve, drugs, crapping on police cars, urinating on tents or cussing and yelling obscenities at people. They weren’t demanding entitlements they were demanding to keep what they earned or at least a resonable amount of it.

    Now do we have corrupt bankers? Of course we do. Do we have corrupt CEOs of large corporations? Yes we do however they aren’t the richest in this nation. The richest, wealthiest and some of the most corrupt are the ones sponsoring this mob. Are they giving their fair share? Why aren’t some people protesting Beverly Hills or Hollywood?

    Sorry, folks but when you’re wrong, you’re just wrong.

    • StephenD

      .Patriot, I agree with your assessment. We have Laws. The biggest fact not mentioned near enough is these folks think we are a pure Democracy which would mean the majority rules. The truth is (I Thank G_d) is that we are a Democratic REPUBLIC. This means we are a society built around laws. The majority cannot shut down the few. The rule of law must prevail. The problems arise when the fundamental laws of our land are challenged (as in our Constitutional Rights) THEN we may need to be ready to revolt. Otherwise we have legal means of redress for our issues. These folks ought to realize they are being "Useful Idiots" for those that would have Anarchy and bring down our Free Market System. As if Socialism/Communism has ever worked before. What fools

    • Herman Caintonette

      They are where they need to be. We've seen precedent for this: the Bonus Army in 1932 and the civil rights movement of the 1960s. They have my unequivocal support, even if police brutality escalates the situation.

      • Western Canadian

        You become more hysterical and unhinged with each passing day. Your comparisons get more and more pathetic and far fetched. Love it the way hard left loons like you blow your own cover. Comparing the OWS losers to civil rights movement??? Hysterical. Totally.

      • coyote3

        Ah, the Bonus Army. They weren't due their bonuses yet. They weren't entitled to them yet. Their criminal activity did not get them paid.

  • tagalog

    Can it really be true that we have reached the point where the ACLU claims, apparently with a straight face, that camping out in a public park that has hour and use restrictions is "symbolic speech…protected by the First Amendment?" How pathetic. This is an example of the kind of moral blindness republics face when they are paralyzed in the headlights of left-wing agitation. We have customs of civility and make a distinction between speech and action that negate that idea a-borning, but somehow it got expressed by – - well, idiots.

    Except they're not idiots; they are testing the waters to see if they can get this one over.

    • Eric

      Yes, it appears the ACLU is claiming law-breaking is symbolic first amendment speech. What next, refusing to pay taxes to protest the tax structure? Driving drunk to protest speed limits? Striking a police officer to protest police brutality?

    • PatriotX

      Tagalog, it’s called being a “convenient believer in the constitution” and the ACLU aren’t the only ones guilty of it. You see, the ACLU cries about “separation of church and state issues” and first admendment rights of freedom of religion and speech…etc, however none of them had anything to say when that boy in Texas was suspended for saying “I think homosexuality is immoral”. No one had anything to say when that kid in California was suspended for saying “bless you”. None of them had anything to say when that man at Bank of America had some comments on facebook about the homosexual community that rubbed certain people the wrong way and was fired for it. They don’t seem to have anything to say about radical Muslim groups hear in the U.S. trying to replace the Constitution with Shariah or impose this form of justice in some cities in our country. You see, only those who fit into their pathetic political agenda are worthy of those rights.

      The ACLU protectors of civl rights, yea right. The ACLU is the protector of their political ally’s civl rights. A sad and pathetic joke that’s been picking away at the values that formed the foundation of this country and exploiting them to allow our enemies to destroy what’s left.

    • Herman Caintonette

      I think they are right; OWS has numerous precedents.

      • tagalog

        Yes, Coxey's Army, the Bonus Marchers, the Confront the Warmakers of the Pentagon back in 1967, the Chicago Democrat National Convention, the Moratorium, etc., etc.

        And they all met similar fates.

        • Herman Caintonette

          And if OWS does, this generation's Bill Ayers will become a hero.

          • tagalog

            Who might that be?

          • Western Canadian

            If some cowardly bomb chucking loon becomes a hero, your country is doomed.

  • Rifleman

    After they made the mayor of Atlanta look like a fool for his tolerance he finally cleared them out.

  • BS77

    Most of the OWS protestors are infantile …. whose only skill is throwing bottles and rocks> They are whining for recognition, .pleading for attention…they contribute little or nothing to improving the US or the lives of those who are challenged by disability, poverty or unemployment. Most are bourgeoisie hippies without any comprehension of what Marxism means, Wall Street, the government, the Constitution or REALITY.. they probably want to be taken care of by the very Nanny State they claim to hate, …but, it ain't gonna happen. Best advice……read Ann Coulter's DEMONIC …..

    • Herman Caintonette

      Anyone who looks to Ann Coulter for wisdom will never want for moonshine.

      • BS77

        Think you are funny? Ann Coulter is one of America's great writers…her research and writing in the book Demonic is impressive. Have you actually read any of her books? Read Treason…..Oh, by the way, .how many books have you written? Yeah, I thought so.

        • Herman Caintonette

          Two. Doing it right is a difficult task, and Coulter doesn't even begin to approach the quality of research you find in scholarly tomes and law review articles.

          • Western Canadian

            Her research is considerably above average for the mass consumption market, and some of the most sickening poor and dishonest ‘research’ that I have ever been disgusted by was in the tomes and reviews you so blindly worship. A safe assumption would be that you consider anything that agrees with your ignorant and preconceived notions to be quality. How sad.

          • Herman Caintonette

            Given that her main competition is Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck, the bar is so low that even Mark Levin could get under it. You want to see a book with first-rate research? Try this one, by famed former LA prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi. http://www.amazon.com/Prosecution-George-W-Bush-M… Shrub and the Dick could be indicted in a heartbeat.

          • Western Canadian

            Two books published? Total sales to date: 6.

            Kindly supply their titiles, that we may be endlessly amused.

          • Herman Caintonette

            Care to provide everyone your name, home address and name of your employer, so we can laugh at you when you go to your job as a Wal-Mart greeter?

          • coyote3

            You wouldn't know. Most law review articles are a joke, almost funny to read, after you have practiced law for a while.

  • truckwork

    'Left-wing groups like the ACLU have rallied to their defense, claiming that OWS’s squalid tent cities are really “symbolic speech that’s protected by the First Amendment.” "

    My rights end where others begin. If my rights restrict or impose a burden on others rights then I have violated the rights of others and are subject to enforcement actions by those given the authority by the State to do so…the POLICE. All rights have limits.

    If my rights cause a hazard (like health, sanitation and fire) to others, then I am subject to enforcement by those who have been given authority by the State to do so… like the POLICE, Fire, Health and Sanitation Inspectors.

    This all could have been avoided when they began this protest by clearing them out at the first evidence that they were not following the regulations set in their Protest Permits if they even obtained them in the first place.

    Enough is enough, time for them to go.

  • tagalog

    "…utterances inciting to the overthrow of organized government by unlawful means, present a sufficient danger of substantive evil to bring their punishment within the range of legislative discretion….Such utterances, by their very nature, involve danger to the public peace and to the security of the state." Gitlow v. New York, 268 U.S. 652.

    Even protected speech can be restricted as to time, place, and manner.

    I realize it's asking too much to ask anyone to look back about 100 years in history, but the moving picket line, used by demonstrating/striking workers and politiical demonstraters, exists because when the IWW used to demonstrate in public areas, unless they kept moving they would get arrested for loitering, so they developed the moving picket line.

  • mrbean

    A couple hundred leftist protesters have established a camp on Wall Street, protesting against . . . well, against something, the bankers, the global warming, and against the Solar System. Whatever it is they are protesting against, it is Wall Street’s fault. Of course it is, it can’t be otherwise. These guys on Wall Street, they are dressed in suits, they have jobs, and they have desks where they work. This must make them guilty by default, right? Most of the protesters are either unemployed or college students living off their parents’ money. Whatever their goal is, they are convinced that the world is a bad place and Wall Street is guilty.

    • Herman Caintonette

      With mindless idiots like you out there, they have a point.

      • mrbean

        Oh yes, rioting and protestors urinating a defecating in the street, on residents doorsteps, in shop owners doorways, and on police cars and in police cars whreally en arrested really makes a point – about who really is mindless. Herman, you are too stupid to even suspect you are!

  • BLJ

    Nice to see that the garbage is finally being taken out.

  • sedoanman

    … “symbolic speech that’s protected by the First Amendment.”

    Would the ACLU entertain the idea that burning down its headquarters is really someone's “symbolic speech that’s protected by the First Amendment.”?

  • tagalog

    Good video. Go over to the Drudge Report and click on "Peter Schiff takes on protesters." It's great. Concrete answers (when he can get a word in edgewise) to hackneyed, propagandized questions and posturing.

    • Herman Caintonette

      It's not hard to find illiterate idiots within the Tea Party, as they are the majority.

      • tagalog

        Name one person in the Tea Party who is illiterate.

  • Dispozadaburka

    They should really be protesting at the White House.
    Obama will probably let them camp out on the front lawn.

  • mrbean

    Scum, Heerman, Amused, don't realize that all the garbage has to be removed for health reasons, including the leftist human garbage protesting they need more handouts from the government and that the government should confiscate private wealth by force.

    • Herman Caintonette

      What I see is a man who has no historical perspective and no familiarity with the ways of the propagandist. If you won't listen to me, perhaps you will take direction from a Jewish Mother: http://outfrontpolitics.blogspot.com/2011/10/it-t

      You don't know how close we came to falling under the Nazi orbit the first time….

  • Herman Caintonette

    It Takes An Old Jew to Recognize Today's Nazis

    "The actual Nazi-like movement in America is the recently-kidnapped GOP itself and its succubus Tea Party and their bigoted backers. It's Gary Bauer and Glen Beck and all that crowd. And even the National Republican Congressional Committee, which refuses to take down its ad accusing Occupy Wall Street of anti-semitism.

    From the tenuous safety of America, as a youngster I witnessed World War II and the Nazi machinations. Even now in the occasional nightmare, the Nazis are yet coming after me. So, asleep or awake, I know my enemies when I see them. In dreams I recognize the jackboots and the uniforms, the cruel heartlessness and delight in violence. And the ominous "Vere are your papers?"

    And awake I recognize the techniques they used to gain power and keep it. Even without the jackboots and uniforms, I recognize them.

    They come spewing lies. They systematically propagandize. "Tell a lie. Tell it often enough and people will believe it. The biggest lies work the best." That's Joseph Goebels, the master and minister of Nazi propaganda. And that's Nazi Rule One. …

    Nazi Rule Two: Another Goebels' principle: "Guilt by association." In its drive to stifle all dissent, the Nazis executed dissidents for "being Communist". Now the GOP would kill the Occupy movement by accusing it of being anti-semitic. And take down a Democratic Congressman in the process.

    You want more about how to recognize Nazis? You better – because they're here."
    http://outfrontpolitics.blogspot.com/2011/10/it-t

    • Dispozadaburka

      Evil came from the Right last time.
      This time it is coming from the Left.

    • tagalog

      You lived through the Nazi era and you know Nazis from when they were a real political force, and yet you still equate George Bush with Hitler? I'm surprised at you; you of all people should know better.

      • Herman Caintonette

        I'm not the Jewish Mother who wrote that, but I can see that the Republicans have stolen Goebbels' playbook.

        • tagalog

          Oh OK, so you DON'T know better.
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          • Herman Caintonette

            You don't know jack, anchor-baby. The Jewish Mother is spot-on. "And now yet another Big Lie comes in the GOP video ad attacking Democratic Congressman Steve Israel, accusing him – a Jew – of backing anti-semitism by supporting the Occupy Wall Street folks."

            Rich folks, "job-creators?" Unless you are a butler, a nanny, or a farrier, they are no more likely to create jobs than a fireman. Everyone's money spends the same way, and you need a customer to have a job. Frank Luntz is the intellectual grandchild of Goebbels.

    • Western Canadian

      You emply the word nazi because of its emotional impact. You, though you think like one of them, know very little about them. You should be using a more accurate term. Stalinists sounds about right.

      • Herman Caintonette

        The author of the piece is a Jew, and you are polishing your Gott Mitt Uns belt-buckle. Jerry.

  • Stephen_Brady

    Herman, I don't think that I've ever encountered someone as anti-Semitic as you. However, as a veteran of the Vietnam War, I know the enemy when I see them. The filthy ideas that you have spouted in the post, above, clearly indicate who and what you are.

    You accuse all and sundry of being bigoted, and you fail to notice your own bigotry and hatred. Look in the mirror, Herman. You will see a bigot looking back at you.

    • Herman Caintonette

      Define terms. You claim to have earned a doctorate in philosophy; you should know better. Wassamatta? Kant got your tongue?

      "Anti-Semitism" is like "fascism": an epithet which has been rendered meaningless by sloppy thinking and overuse. Of course, I have always wondered how an educated man could ever embrace the torrent of logical absurdities embodied in Christendom. Soren Kierkegaard's leap of faith is one which must be taken in order to believe in any flavor of psychotic ancient tribal sky-daddy. Van Til's spiral reasoning is at essence circular.

      As a self-confessed Christian, you have a dog in this hunt, viewing Israel's existence as a confirmation of your faith. I agree with the Jews: Jesus is already 1900 years late and counting; the whole virgin birth tale was to sell him as the second coming of Aushedar, and it was the product of a translation error in the LXX. The alleged conveyance of the land in the Torah was a self-evident fraud, as by their own reckoning, the Hittites hadn't even established their empire at the time of Abraham.

      To be anti-Semitic, one must believe that all Jews are alike, and that the Jewish view is in some way monolithic. This is a facial absurdity, which I do not embrace. Opposing the present state of "Israel" on the grounds that the land was stolen from the rightful owners is merely a consistent application of Anglo-American law, which governed the matter.

      You're all hat, no cattle, Stephen.

  • Fred Dawes

    Set-up Time on all sides, keep watching.

  • xlent

    Hermie is demonized.

  • Hercules

    The ACLU considers First Amendment Speech rights to be primordial when applied to a group of left-wing malcontents. Yet they will defend the right of a woman to take the life of an innocent unborn life. Likewise, they will defend the right of left-wing vagrants to urinate and defecate on public property, including police cars, but have contempt for the rights of businesses and residents to live normal lives, free of the kinds of deprivations and impositions inflicted on them by these marauders. We are beginning to experience mob rule, aided and abetted by the media, academics, journalists, government dependents who advocate government rule over individual freedom and initiative. I believe that the Occupiers will in time alienate enough citizens and generate enough resistance that the defeat of the Obamacrats will be guaranteed in 2012. Their Occupation, contrary to their Expectation, will produce our Liberation.

    • Fred Dawes

      You can see the facts from the BS.

  • Terry

    This unrepresentative riffraff of confused thinking have been cleaned up in Sydney and Melbourne.

    They cleared them away with the garbage.

    I observed them in Sydney last week and frankly their claim to be 'the 99%' is laughable. It took them an hour of discussion to decide if a group of them should do a walking tour of wicked capitalist corporation offices. I'm sure it would take a whole week of debate for them to decide to visit the toilet, and yet, that's their natural habitat.

    • Herman Caintonette

      Participatory democracy is a messy business. They have our Congress beat all hollow, mate.

      As I spend about a tenth of my time down there, I'm a bit surprised that there were demonstrations in Aus. You have universal health-care, a decent superannuation scheme, a functional Parliament, the rule of law, the right to vote (for you, it is a duty; here, Republicans are constantly scheming to disenfranchise their opponents), and election cycles lasting weeks instead of years. Transparency International regards Aus as having one of the least-corrupt governments in the world. You don't have a torrent of illegal immigrants degrading the wage base and overloading your social safety net. And as one of China's most important resource colonies, your economy is humming and your dollar is strong.

  • http://www.contextflexed.com Flipside

    You just want America’s parks to be freiheitrein. Studentenrein. Amerikanerrein. Goyimrein. Schwartzerrein.

    • UCSPanther

      I want this site and the whole world to be flipsiderein….

      • http://www.contextflexed.com Flipside

        Maybe in 1000 years.

  • Asher

    My motto is Get a life, Go paint a house, or mow a yard for someone, Join Habitat for Humanity, help build a home for a poor person, or those who have no where to live, donate to local charities, help in the soup kitchens which are abundant due to Obama's economy and lack of Jobs… Do something good for mankind, instead of this senseless and dispicable act of lawlessness!

  • Jared

    Focusing on and whining about what you don't have is a sure formula for failure. Throw in envy, jealousy and bitterness and you have hopeless losers. That's the OWS gang.

    • Herman Caintonette

      You could have said the same thing in 1775, Tory.

  • Fred Dawes

    open your eyes see it for what it is not what you want it to be. only the young can save this and all other nations from mass murder and that will never happen so the young are doomed to live and die in total evil. And if the young jews do not stand up like human beings and say not to the muslm evil that will be the end of the jews, stand up people and say no to the great lie.

  • Tom

    Yes, they should.

  • Tom

    I fully agree. I think it is disgusting that our polititions have spent us into a corner which future generations will have to repay. The politions have and continue to shirk their responsibilities to provide a stable financial and social structure for it's people. And why do they do that? It is because the interests they protect are not the peoples but of those with the deapest pockets (affording them the loudest voices).

  • Herman Caintonette

    The Zionists who fraudulently induced us to enter two pointless wars f/b/o Israel, the military contractors who stole $2.2 trillion during the Bush regime, the plutocrats who received a tax windfall we couldn't possibly afford, the corporations who (remember, they are people now) offshored production to take advantage of labor arbitrage and emaciate the tax and wage base, and the banksters who pulled off the greatest bank heist in history come immediately to mind. Damn FREELOADERS!!!

  • Western Canadian

    Again, HC Loon offers his anti-jewish rubbish. Bozo, when you use the word ‘zionist’, we know you mean jew. That has been a hard left and hard core islamist line for decades.

  • Herman Caintonette

    Like Big Pharma, which negotiated an enormous handout from the people through a Medicare deal which prevented the government from negotiating group discounts…

    Republicans only care about the plutocrats who finance their campaigns.

  • tagalog

    Yes, as the high degree of resistance and resolution shown by the ardent revolutionaries of the Occupy Oakland, when they left the city park after one of their number was injured by some projectile, and they meekly submitted to advancing police, amply demonstrates. Power to the People! Remember Grant Park!

    In the meantime, everyone I talk to at the range appears to be politically conservative; haven't met a radical yet. So if by some miracle the new revolutionaries actually bestir themselves into some semblance of rebellion, I think we righties are ready. But I highly doubt that any such extremities will be called for, as rebelling means you have to move out of mom and dad's house and actually stand for something.

  • UCSPanther

    You bring out your M1 carbines, and we'll bring out the Browning M2s…

  • coyote3

    Your post is a joke, it must be. Are you from the "Onion".

  • tagalog

    It's not statism to inform you what the Supreme Court has had to say about the constitutionality of policing speech.

    Well, maybe in your world talking about what the rules allow and what they don't might be.

  • tagalog

    Fifty million a year? Tell it to Michael Moore and Roseanne Barr.

  • Rifleman

    I can't find a law against being rich or greedy, but I'm in favor of low taxes and eliminating government welfare.

  • tagalog

    Yes, that vagueness is a real asset; it will surely draw the mainstream people into the OWS movement. "We're really PO'd about SOMETHING and by golly we're going to take the law into our own hands, in the face of the armed authorities, to make our inchoate protest a reality! Watch out, you righties!"

  • Herman Caintonette

    It's easy to summarize the grievances in global terms: banks which are too big to fail, politicians and elites who are too big to jail, and a political system so broken by the purchase of politicians that they no longer have representation, in all but name only. They voted for change, but watched by in horror as Obama became Wall Street's water-boy. Both Parties have blood on their hands.

  • pagegl

    Perhaps if the leftists, under the guise of protecting the workers, hadn't made the US the second most expensive country in the world to do business, the corporations wouldn't be forced to move so many jobs offshore.

    Concerning FREELOADERS, what about the 48% or so who pay no income tax. What about those who not only pay no tax but get refunds because their tax credits are larger than what they owe. BTW, this isn't directed only at individuals, GE (whose CEO is on Obama's economic advisory board) makes billions and pays no taxes (I wouldn't be surprised to learn it get federal subsidies). Not all the freeloaders are Wall Steet bankers.

  • Herman Caintonette

    Pointing out that the Zionists and Christianazis in PNAC were largely responsible for the hemorrhage of debt during the Bush regime is a position supported by the facts. As for Afghanistan, the Taliban offered to turn bin Laden over, provided that evidence of his guilt was produced and as long as he was tried in an international tribunal. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/14/afgha… Afghanistan was as much of a resource war as Iraq, though Iraq only posed a threat to Israel (financial support for the Intifada); bin Laden was only a pretext.

    You are a sick puppy, carrying water for the plutocrats.

  • Rifleman

    Lol, don't forget all that oil we supposedly stole, C_M!

  • Herman Caintonette

    Grandma is a freeloader. "Get sick and die, Nana!!!"

  • tagalog

    "Too big to fail" is a governmental formulation. The other beefs you mention are all government-related; why aren't the OSW folks protesting in Washingon D.C. against the government? Are they stupid for something?

  • Maxie

    "Obama became Wall Street's water-boy."
    Close. Obama is, and has been, Soros' water boy. The so-called Wall Streeters "bought-in" to the regime as big donors to get their piece of the Marxist pie. btw: Who paid for Bambi's tours thru Occidental, Columbia and Harvard? Why did he get paid to write an autobiography as an unaccomplished 40-year old? Ya think anything's fishy here?

  • fiddler

    Exactly!!
    Warren Buffett, "I could end the deficit in 5 minutes," he told CNBC. "You just …pass a law that says that anytime there is a deficit of more than 3% of GDP, all sitting members of Congress are ineligible for re-election. The 26th
    amendment (granting the right to vote for 18 year-olds) took only 3 months
    & 8 days to be ratified! Why? Simple! The people demanded it. That was in
    1971…before computers, e-mail, cell phones, etc. Of the 27 amendments to
    the Constitution, seven (7) took 1 year or less to become the law of the
    land…all because of public pressure.

    Warren Buffet is asking each addressee to forward this email to a minimum of
    twenty people on their address list; in turn ask each of those to do
    likewise.
    In three days, most people in The United States of America will have the
    message. This is one idea that really should be passed around.

    *Congressional Reform Act of 2011*

  • fiddler

    1. No Tenure / No Pension. A Congressman collects a salary while in office
    and receives no pay when they are out of office.

    2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security. All
    funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security
    system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system,
    and Congress participates with the American people. It may not be used for
    any other purpose.

    3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans
    do.

    4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay
    will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

  • fiddler

    5. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the
    same health care system as the American people.

    6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American
    people.

    7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen are void effective 1/1/12.
    The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen. Congressmen
    made all these contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is an honor,
    not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours
    should serve their term's), then go home and back to work.

    If each person contacts a minimum of twenty people then it will only take
    three days for most people (in the U.S.) to receive the message. Maybe it is
    time.

    THIS IS HOW YOU FIX CONGRESS!!!!! If you agree with the above, pass it on.

  • fiddler

    Yep! But he denies it!! (Moore that is).

  • Maxie

    "They pepper-spray at random, and almost killed a war vet in Oakland yesterday, for no reason …"

    Have another shot of Kool ade sucker. They pepper spray those who physically dis-obey orders to leave. The so-called war vet was one such resitor and his veteran status was irrelevant to the situation. Almost killed? Nonsense. The emotion-driven Left predictably resorts to creating a "martyr" to garner sympathy for their losing causes. It's what they do. They're still whining about Sacco and Vanzetti; the Rosenbergs; and Alger Hiss.

  • truckwork

    In Oakland they gave a clear warning that they were conducting themselves including the "war vet" in an illegal manner. They gave them ample time to leave the area and that if they didn't the police would take action that might result in injuries. When that time period expired, the police acted in the manner consistent with their declarations.

    Now whether or not higher taxes are a result, I would wonder if allowing them to continue their activities isn't going to cost the taxpayer anyway. Large crowds like the one in Oakland frequently get out of hand. This results in riots that result in injuries to police, firefighters and others was well as property damage in the millions of dollars. This will all be passed on to those who pay taxes and consume the products and services of those who are the victims of these mindless idiots.

    Quick and decisive action by the police to disperse crowds like this have long been proven to be much less costly even if in the end Cities and Towns are required to "pay" for their "illegal detentions and policy (sic) brutality."

  • tagalog

    No one knows for sure what hit the guy. Initial reports, coming from the demonstrators, was that he was hit with a tear gas canister. But later reports note that the demonstraters were throwing rocks, bricks, and other projectiles. The guy might have been hit by friendly fire.

    And the bottom line is that, instead of his injury galvanizing his brothers and sisters into resistance, they wound up just leaving the park in the face of advancing police. "Ooh, I want to resist and revolt, but people have actually gotten HURT!"

    The Weak Sisters' Revolution.

    Ah, the Revolution! It brings back memories of May 5, 1970, when life suddenly quietened down quite a bit. Bring the War Back Home!

  • Herman Caintonette

    Don't forget the $trillions in mineral deposits.

  • Herman Caintonette

    The PNAC gambit failed because the Iraqis understood what was happening.

  • Herman Caintonette

    Good ideas, all.

  • pagegl

    Wow! Channeling Alan Grayson…

  • Rifleman

    What gambit? The left was full of it all along.

  • tagalog

    It'll be like Knob Creek, except everywhere. With people. I'm not looking forward to that, it'll be ugly…

    Fortunately, judging from the recent reports of the heroic People's Army of the 98.99999%, and the quality of their resistance to the authorities and their loyalty to the true homeless in New York City, I don't think the republic is at any significant risk of OWS violence or rebellion. Looks like they'll just fold in the face of any real exercise of authority. They've already shown their coldness to the hungry and homeless, no better than the rest of humanity and worse than many.

  • Herman Caintonette

    Obviously, you haven't read Sun-Tzu or Alinsky. This is a war, and in war, you have to be smart.

    Outdoor protests make sense in the summer, but occupying Fairbanks in the winter is foolhardy. OWS has created a loose infrastructure, much like the civil rights movement did in the '60s.

    If you want to see a sad collection of weepy, whiny, baitches, you will find them at FPM.

  • tagalog

    I haven't read Sun-Tzu or Alinsky? How do you know?

    Let's assume that I haven't; I have plenty of company, such as about 99% of the OWS contingent. It's obvious that they have no idea of what they're doing.

    The first snowstorm will send them out of the parks and back to their parents' homes, and the "loose infrastructure," to the extent that it exists, will fade away in a few weeks. Gone with the wind. Once they get jobs, OWS will be a dead issue.

  • Western Canadian

    You have obviously read alinsky, his vicious tactics are very obvious in your sad and sorry efforts to post. As for sun-tzu, you have have glanced at his work, or have a few of his quotes to fall back on, but it is very unlikely that you have read, let alone studied him. And again, you make an ass of yourself (unavoidable, it seems) by trying to claim that these losers have something in common with freedom fighters from the recent past.

    As for a collection of weepy, whiny, etc on FPM, there would be none here, if you were not. here.

  • Herman Caintonette

    "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity." I point out your hypocrisy, which only seems to make you madder.

    Sun-Tzu observed that the relative power of your opponent dictated your tactics. A guerilla force can pick and choose its targets, but its opponent must defend everywhere. "Against those skilled in attack, an enemy does not know where to defend." Art of War, Ch. VI, v. 8; see also, v. 14.

    "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag." The occupation phase of OWS is likely nearing an end for obvious reasons, but the struggle is just beginning. If they embrace Alinsky, they will heed his sound advice (which works everywhere). Social networking translates into the ability to organize flash-mobs, so "occupation" has served its purpose — the announcement that "the 99%" are here. From the Green Revolution in Iran to the Arab Spring to the Greek Summer and American Autumn, this is a world-wide phenomenon.

    OWS has managed to change the terms of the debate. By that metric, it is a resounding success.

  • Stephen_Brady

    Then, Tom, the "occupiers" should organize mass protests against California governor Moonbeam. After tremendous support from the unions in his election campaign, he's going to revamp the state's pension fund, hurting the union bottom line.

    Isn't it obvious that he's a corporate stooge? :)

  • Herman Caintonette

    The GM bailout was essential to the preservation of what little is left of our manufacturing base. Dole/Romney/Obamacare was not what the Left wanted; it was a sell-out by the kleptocrats (including Chris "the Senator from Aetna" Dodd). And yes, we need to invest in more infrastructure (that includes teachers), or we will be left behind.

    Why do you hate unions, while loving conglomerates?

  • coyote3

    I am not defending conglomerates, but what makes unions any more virtuous?

  • Herman Caintonette

    As long as you have oligopolies, you will need oligopsonies to balance out the relationship between capital and labor. They are not so much virtuous as they are a virtual necessity. as is evidenced by the stagnation and decline in wages over the past three decades, despite massive increases in productivity.

  • Herman Caintonette

    If you read the report, you'd know.