The UN’s Indifference to Dead Jews

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The “international community” is always quick to blame Israel for any reprisals it takes against Palestinian terrorists. Accusations of “collective punishment,” “disproportionate force,” and “extrajudicial targeted assassinations” are regularly hurled at Israel from the chambers of the dysfunctional Human Rights Council and other United Nations bodies, including the UN Security Council.

Yet when Israel seeks even the mildest of rebukes from the Security Council for continued rocket attacks launched against Israeli civilians from Hamas-controlled Gaza, it is met with stone-faced silence.

Israeli UN Ambassador Ron Prosor has just sent yet another letter dated October 29, 2011 to the Security Council calling “attention to a very serious escalation of rocket fire from the Gaza Strip.” On that very day, wrote Ambassador Prosor, major cities throughout southern Israel were bombarded with a barrage of dozens of rockets and mortars launched from the Gaza Strip. These attacks killed one Israeli civilian and injured a number of others. In Ashkelon, a man sitting in his home was murdered when a rocket exploded on top of him. Numerous rockets rained into the Israeli port city of Ashdod, injuring one man and causing significant damage to homes. In Gan Yavne, a suburb of Ashdod, one man was injured as rockets and mortars struck homes and civilian vehicles, setting fires in the streets.

“The scenes coming out of Southern Israel today should shock and appall the international community and all decent people,” wrote the Israeli ambassador. “There is no question that the terrorists who carried out these attacks intended to deliberately target innocent civilians.”

Ambassador Prosor’s latest letter came just two days after he had sent a letter to the Security Council complaining of rocket attacks that had been launched from Gaza on October 26th, which struck near Ashdod. The letter fell on deaf ears, which is the most likely fate of his most current letter as well.

“Two days ago, I wrote to the Security Council and expressed my Government’s concern about the escalating violence emanating from Gaza, alerting the international community about the dangerous potential for civilian casualties,” Ambassador Prosor reminded the Council in his October 29th letter. “The Council did not utter a single word of condemnation. Today one Israeli civilian was murdered and others lay injured in hospitals this evening as a result of the escalating rocket fire – and we still only hear silence from the Security Council.”

Indeed, as Ambassador Prosor pointed out, the Security Council has failed to take any steps to ensure compliance with the provisions of Security Council Resolution 1860, passed on January 9, 2009, that called for a cease-fire in Gaza and an end to “illicit trafficking in arms and ammunition.” Instead, thousands of guns, rockets and mortars have continued to be smuggled into Gaza, facilitated by Iran. While Israel has shown extraordinary restraint in the face of continued rocket attacks against its citizens and has opened its borders with Gaza to many more shipments of goods and materials entering and exiting Gaza, the arms smuggling has increased. “The terrorist rockets in Gaza are traveling further, their warheads are getting larger and their method of delivery is becoming more sophisticated.” Ambassador Prosor warned the Security Council.

Most of the rockets were fired by Islamic Jihad, which is funded and armed by Iran and shares Hamas’s goal of destroying Israel. Israel quite appropriately holds Hamas, which has controlled Gaza for more than four years and is also aided by Iran, responsible for all attacks on Israel that emanate from Gaza.

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  • Flipside

    This article can be summed up: “The world is crazy. They keep blaming Israel when it kills lots of people. How come they never defend us when somebody kills one of our people? How can we be expected to acknowledge the existence of other countries when ours is not revered? In any event, the world will be held to account!”

    • Beth

      Isa 14:31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone – in his appointed times.

      This prophecy was right there – the whole time – while mohammad's henchmen wrote his koran. That prophecy is also in the Dead Sea Scrolls – word for word – which were hidden before mohammad's time. Your prophet forgot to mention Palestine – thus leaving you with no Holy support for that name.

      But we shall see what happens to Palestine when the world is judged.

    • Herman Caintonette

      Their particular flavor of psychotic ancient tribal sky-daddy will get sooooooo mad at you!!! I don't know about you, but I'd be a lot more afraid of Al'lah: he had better aim on 9/11.

      My problem here is that I can't find any basis for their claim on the property, other than that it was taken by force. As Ben-Gurion admits, the Palestinians have the superior moral claim.

      • aspacia

        LOL, not the Jewish God Abraham has superior aim, hence all the dead Arabs regardless of their firepower and numbers. At least Jews have the moral courage not to put ammunition in schools, day care centers, synagogues, hospitals, ambulances.

        Allah is nothing more than a impotent moon god created by Mad Mo.

        Muslim's have zero morality in civil life and during war.

        Ben Gurion was wrong, the land was legally purchased, and Muslims illegally targets Jews long before the creation of Israel.

        Oh, what about the numerous Arab leaders who claimed the there are no Palestinians, only Egyptians, Syrians, Iraqis, etc.

        • Herman Caintonette

          Unfortunately, the tale of Abram's purchase from the Hittites is a historical fraud, as according to their own records, they didn't even exist as at the time Sarah is purported to have died. Moreover, the sons of Isaac abandoned the land, while the sons of Ishmael stayed.

          The land was not legally purchased — just ask any Palestinian who still holds a deed to the family land in what is now "Israel," issued by the Crown. Israel promised to pay reparations, but never did.

          Again, either make a case for superior title, or concede with Ben-Gurion that the Jews are thieves.

          • aspacia

            Hebron is the site of the oldest Jewish community in the world, which dates back to Biblical times. The Book of Genesis relates that Abraham purchased the field where the Tomb of the Patriarchs is located as a burial place for his wife Sarah. According to Jewish tradition, the Patriarchs Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and the Matriarchs Sarah, Rebekah, and Leah are buried in the Tomb.

            Hittites: Started 2,000 BCE and ends approximately 1330 BCE. Sarah life: 1540-1677 BCE.

            You are totally off on this one.

            Those Palestinian deeds are not valid because the land belonged to the Ottoman Empire and was sold.

            Currently, our land canbe cheaply purchased land for the common good — for a freeway, park etc. This is how Chavez Stadium was created. Governments can do this. Many of these landowners still hold their defunct deeds, and are still very angry regarding Angel's Stadium.

            Are you beginning to understand? I doubt it.

            I will refute the other parts of your claim after you can refute my claim. Please remember that I am a member of Phi Alpha Theta a history honor society.

          • Herman Caintonette

            Your math is way off. The Hittite Empire began in ca. 1760 BCE (see e.g., ; The latest practical date for the Exodus is ca. 1250 BCE (the Stele of Merneptah (1220 BCE) refers to the defeat of the Israelites in Canaan); if we rely on the Torah, Sarah died in 1843 BCE. Importantly, they did not control Canaan until ~1350 BCE (they invented the chariot in ca. 1500 BCE, which was their military advantage), and they could not sell what they did not own.

            These numbers are not disputed in any material degree by Anatolian scholars, who theorize that they migrated from the steppes in ~1900 BCE, and settled in Hattusas.

            "The Hittites had firmly entrenched themselves in Anatolia by 1700 B.C. Their history as an independent nation spans a period of roughly a thousand years which is broken into three ages: Old, New and Late periods. The Old Empire period occurred between the years 1650 and 1450 B.C.; the New, between 1450 and 1200; and the Late Hittite period, between 1200 and 700 B.C. The Old Hittite period starts soon after the Assyrian Colony period, when a powerful group of Hittite princes managed to unite the city-states then flourishing in Anatolia under one central authority."

            The only solution I have heard is to theorize a second set of Hittites, but the difficulty with that theory is that the Hittites had an anomalous way of transferring real estate (they counted trees). As the Biblical text makes reference to this practice, it points to one and only one set of Hittites.

            In general, I am relying on John Hinnells' work here. He is a recognized expert in the field, as opposed to a dilettante with a fraternity pin.

          • aspacia

            Great source, I must prepare for work, but will return. The Torah claims Abraham purchased the land from a Hittite, and this could have been after the Hittites scattered. Also, there are zero Egyptian records regarding the Exodus and Moses. The Torah claims pharoah had all the records destroyed, but there is no evidence of any engraving being removed from Seti's monuments and cities.

            I will have to check on your source, and if Hinnell is valid I will check his work against Pipes et al. At the moment, Arab/Muslim historians are questionable because many claim the Holocaust never happened, Jerusalem is holy to Islam, (never mentioned in the Qu'ran), they are descended from Canaanites, etc.

          • Herman Caintonette

            Impossible. The entire Hittite Empire was post-Abrahamic.

            Few reputable scholars seriously defend the proposition that the Torah was written by Moses. The so-called "four-source" (JEDP) theory is the best explanation of why you see two incompatible creation stories (cf., Gen. 1:1-2:3; Gen. 2:4-5: plants came first in the first, but Man did in the second) and the two genealogies of Noah, and two logically irreconcilable accounts of Aaron's death (cf., Num. 33:29-42; Deut. 10:6-9; re: the question of whether Aaron accompanied the Israelites to Jotbathah). This wreaks total havoc with Christian theology, as should be obvious.

            The Documentary Hypothesis (Wikipedia has a decent precis) presumes that the Torah was cobbled together from strands of earlier writings and redacted somewhere around 600-800 BCE. This makes the fabricated tale of Abram and the Hittites make sense, insofar as the Hittites were the prior rulers of Canaan, having lost their empire in ca. 1150-1250. However, few now seriously entertain the historicity of the claim that the tale of the Israelites wandered 40 years in the Sinai, as no artifacts have been found to corroborate it. Of course, the good news is that, if Kathleen Kenyon is correct, Jericho was abandoned in ~1550 BCE, and the Jewish hordes are not guilty of genocide.

            The Merneptah Stele places the Israelites in Canaan before 1200 BCE which, in conjunction with the Torah, necessarily provides the lates possible date of Sarah's death. If we rely on Torah as an accurate rendition of the timeline, Sarai/Sarah must have died before the Hittite Empire was even formed in Anatolia (modern Turkey). Like it or not, the biblical claim is a fraud.

          • aspacia

            Even Jews do not claim Moses wrote the Torah. Why not peruse the Jewish Virtual Library or Ask a Rabbi, or any number of Jewish sites, Aish for insight into their true beliefs depending on their sect.

            LOL, periodically, I will peruse Wiki for information, but it is not a valid source and you should know this.

            Now we are really delving a bit too far off topic, how legal is Israel's claim to the land?

            I argue that their claim is legal, and is internationally recognized. The Arab rejection of this international recognition, and subsequent, numerous attacks voids any Arab claim to the land they lost by Israel legitimate conquest after being attacked, and their 31 peace proposal rejections.

            I also submit that the entire Muslim-majority world is bigoted in this rejection because they accepted all the other lands artificially carved after WWI, all except Israel which was to be all of TransJordan.

            Also, why was there never any outcry regarding Egptian rule of Gaza? It was Muslim rule. Why no outcry regarding Jodanian rule of the West Bank? It was Muslim rule.

            Oh, yes, Jordan expelled all Jews from their homes without compensation as well.

            Again, you are a hypocrite little Cain, and obviously you sure are not your brother's keeper because your brothers fare much better under Israeli rule than any Arab/Persian rule.

          • Herman Caintonette

            asp: "Even Jews do not claim Moses wrote the Torah."

            Jews don't need to; a lot of Christians do for theological reasons. And while Wikipedia is not valid as a primary source, it provides a serviceable precis for those who are not up to speed on the subject. Let's put this part of the debate to bed; I'll address the important parts elsewhere.

          • Herman Caintonette

            asp: "I argue that their claim is legal"

            Under what recognized legal principle? The UN cannot give away what it does not own. Britain warranted that the only way a Jewish homeland could arise in Palestine was if the natives agreed to it … and most pointedly, they most certainly did not agree. Also, it was pellucid that the Arab world did not recognize Israel.

          • aspacia

            But the League of Nations gave Jordan to the Hashemite family, and no one cried about that.

            Again, you and your people cannot stand the idea of Jews ruling Muslims which clearly reveals you bigotry.

            No one cried when the League created Iraq and Iran, only Israel.

            Zionists purchased the land and peacefully settled, and were often massacred by your brethren. Sharom is the product of one such attempted massacre. He walked from Russian, to Israel, and settled in a Jewish village previously destroyed by Muslims long before the creation of Israel.

            Reread the Balfour Declaration:
            ". . . it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country. "

            It does not make any claim regarding native acceptance.

          • aspacia

            Nearly forgot, why won't the vast Muslim-majority world assimilate their brethren? The Arab are using their brethren as cannon fodder to destroy Israel.

            Israel absorbed 650,000 of its brethren expelled from Muslim-majority lands. These Jews did not receive compensation. Why do Arabs deserve compensation? They do not.

          • Beth

            With that logic Herman Caintonette – Noah is the owner of EVERY LAND – and he's not here. So now what?

          • aspacia

            Okay, I have time after work. The academic I am using is:….
            His site argues that the early Hittites and Hatusilis (sp) overlap and are basically the same:

            The date 1215 regarding Sarah falls into the kingdom's timespan.

            Pipes, and many others have successfully refuted most Muslim claims regarding the land and Jerusalem. Here is just one of many:

            You also might want to peruse Karsh, a professor of Mediterranean Studies at the University of London, for more refutes.

            You are using Hinnell's work and I did a quick search for his biography, employment, etc., and came up with zero, zilch, nada. Sure, he is published, but there is nothing else listed regarding this "scholar." He does not appear to have any public lectures as well. Be careful, and try to use valid sources.

          • Herman Caintonette

            Daniel Pipes was a signatory to PNAC.… Hardly an independent and dispassionate scholar.

            As for Guisepi, your own cite begins:

            "Probably originating from the area beyond the Black Sea, the Hittites first occupied central Anatolia, making their capital at Hattusa (modern Bogazköy). Early kings of the Hittite Old Kingdom, such as Hattusilis I (reigned c. 1650-c. 1620 BC), consolidated and extended Hittite control over much of Anatolia and northern Syria. Hattusilis' grandson Mursilis I raided down the Euphrates River to Babylon, putting an end (c. 1590 BC) to the Amorite dynasty there."

            There is nothing in his article that even begins to claim that the Hittites controlled Canaan in ca. 1850 BCE; quite to the contrary, he limits the original Hittite Empire to Anatolia, corroborating Dr Hinnells' claims.

          • aspacia

            Attack Pipes claim not the man, this is ad hominem fallacy. I do not trust the Hinnel because I could not locate much information about him except the names of the books he wrote, no biography was provided. I found another source, a Chilean Christian whose bio clearly reveals a lack of substance and clear religious bias for Biblical texts as fact.

            The date 1650 denotes the beginning of the Hittites. If you read/scan further it also notes: "The Hittite empire to c. 1180 BC." If you read still further you will note still more dates revealing that the 1215 date does fall into the timeline.

            Do you know how to read a BCE timeline? I am beginning to wonder.

          • Beth

            "…..that the Jews are thieves"

            I see your Koran has taught you well Herman Caintonette:

            005.041 O Messenger! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: whether it be among those whosay "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- MEN WHO WILL LISTEN TO ANY LIE.

            SHAME ON YOU Herman Caintonette!

      • Beth

        "he had better aim on 9/11" (VERY SICK COMMENT when considering the feelings of the families of the victims)

        "the Palestinians have the superior moral claim" (You are ignoring the fact that the 'Palestinians' bow to their koran – the very reason they are so brutal….a fact that you will NEVER address)

  • Anamah

    We should send mails to who ever are in charge at the UN and all other corrupted institutions; the Court or Sec of Human Rights in Belgium what are they waiting to make clear they are not going to tolerate more of this Islamic hoax to disguise their antisemitic agression. Are everybody crazy? All of them are dishonest or bribed? Anybody left in the world to do the job???

    • aspacia

      If interested, UN Watch and Durban III Watch are interesting, the latter is on PJTV.

      Like Ed Koch claims, it is a cesspool, but every house needs one. Nope, we need to have clean indoor plumbing, not a cesspool

  • SHmuelHaLevi

    Without going into details on how we know, every Israeli knows that the probabilities are very high on that about March 2012 there will be a huge war.
    If that date is not it, then certain markers will be updated and the window will be extended for another 6 months. That is, no later than October 2012.
    Israel certainly will suffer heavy damage but few if any of the enemies will remain viable after it.
    The rest is just talk to vent tensions that cannot be cured by talk.

    • aspacia

      Probably true, Debka is making this same prediction.

    • WilliamJamesWard

      No one could possibly with any honesty blame Israel for what is coming, I
      hope to be able to help and there are many ways to do so, friends of
      Israel must be prepared to stand strong for a persecuted Israel and help
      fight the Islamist curse…………………………………………..William

  • effemall

    - It would be perfectly fair and appropriate and productive if Israel applied a reverse of their prisoner exchange policy. The world shook its head in disbelief when Israel exchanged 500 prisoners for one. Using this type of balance Israel should now announce that it will kill 500 Gazans or Palestinians for every Israeli killed. The prisoner exchange has already established the relative value of the two – one Israeli is worth 500 of them. This won't stop the Islamists who have little value for life, but it will introduce an evenly balanced policy.

    • kafir4life

      Maybe when they love their children as much as they hate Jews. Oh wait! Mad mo the false prophet of the gutter cult says joo deaths are more important than moon god worshippers lives.

    • Arnold Handelman

      It's over 1,000, not 500. About 1,027 Palestinian prisoners, most with Jewish blood on their hands, are being released for Gilad Shalit. This includes Marwan Bargouti, who is a terrorist leader.

      The Jewish settlers and extremists are carrying on a program of disproportionate retaliation, which they label "Price Tag".

      I think that targeted assassinations of terrorist leaders is one of the best ways. Every time Israel kills some of its terrorist leaders, Hamas announces a "cease fire". Then things die down for a bit, until the next terrorist rockets against innocent Israeli civilians.

      I do think it critical that the Palestinians be denied their application for statehood when they continue in a state of aggression and terror against Israel, and when they encourage a strong public program of hate against Jews.

    • Beth

      "if Israel applied a reverse of their prisoner exchange policy"

      Common sense would apply that wisdom

  • Murray Schwartz

    Indifference to Dead jews???

    WTF?? All we ever hear is the israelis moaning that another one of thiers got killed… moan, moan, moan, whinge, whinge… When was the last time any israeli expressed true sorrow for a dead arab/muslim? Never happened. …so take a hike, hypocrit.

    • Hatta Yathrib

      You're not really called Murray Schwartz, are you?

      • Murray Schwartz

        I take note that aside from the dumb insults, that nobody called me a liar!

        • Scarved

          Well what do you expect…a dumb comment will trigger insults.
          If Israelis were to express sorrow for every dead muslim they'd be doing nothing else until the rest of their lives. Surely you've noticed that the vast majority of muslims that end-up dead were killed by fellow muslims.

          When was the last demonstration in Israel calling for the annihilation of a neighbouring muslim country and its people? You don't know? Probably because there hasn't been any demonstration of that kind in Israel. Now look at demonstrations calling for the destruction of Israel in Egypt, Iran and so on and so forth (even in Europe). See the difference, or are you too anti-Israeli to see the obvious? (Rhetorical questions)

          • Chairman Mao

            Probably because there hasn't been any demonstration of that kind in Israel

            LOL! Are you kidding…have you ever been to israel?

          • Scarved

            Yeah, there are rallies with hundreds of thousands of Isrealis chanting death to muslims, they fire their guns in the air in front of indoctrinated children…yeah right LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

    • Arnold Handelman

      Schwartz is obviously indifferent to the killing, wounding and terrorizing of innocent civilians. I can see killing soldiers if they are on a mission in Palestinian lands. But to shell civilians? It's a war crime.

      As far as Israelis not expressing sorrow for a dead arab/muslim, Israeli hospitals have many patients in them who are Arabs, including those who have participated in terror. Palestinians civilians are the greatest beneficiary of Israeli compassion.
      Muslim funerals are respected in Israel, whereas Muslims routinely disrespect Jewish religious practices of all kinds. Arabs have defaced and destroyed synagogues, and taken Jewish tombstones and used them in a urinal for Arabs to urinate on. Mr. Schwartz, I assume you're Jewish, and I say to you: you are the hypocrite. To look like an enlightened liberal Jew, you unfairly criticize Israelis and Jews based on your incorrect knowledge of the facts.

    • Arnold Handelman

      The hypocrisy is Arab, where all of the Arab lands are Juden-rein, free of Jews who were all kicked out and their money, assets, homes and businesses confiscated. But Arabs want Israel to have Arabs and Jews. That's hypocrisy by Arabs. Dozens of countries are called the Islamic Republic of …..; but in the whole world there shouldn't be one Jewish state. That's hypocrisy. Jews were kicked out of Arab lands, if not just beaten or killed. But Palestinians, most of whom fled because they were told to do so by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, with close Nazi ties, so that the Arab countries could all attack the newborn state of Israel, or whose lands were purchased from absentee Arabl landlords–must now be allowed to exercise their so-called "right of return" with millions of descendants. That's hypocrisy. Schwartz sarcastically says dead Jews elicit way too much moaning, but dead arabs should be mourned. That is hypocrisy, and Mr. Schwartz is the hypocrite.

      • Arnold Handelmlan

        Mr. Schwartz says the Jews are hypocrites. The Palestinians talk about the "peace process" but Fatah, PLO, and Abbas have not changed the wording in their charter which calls for the destruction of the Jewish state. That's hypocrisy. Hamas says, let's have a cease fire, after they shoot rockets at Israeli civilians. Then they repeat the process, over and over again. That's hypocrisy. Hamas says Israel shouldn't inspect flotilla boats, but they continue to smuggle in weapons to use against Israeli civilians–that's hypocrisy. Abbas says the Palestinians are mature enough to warrant getting their own state. But terror continues in Gaza, and Fatah won't even sit down to discuss peace–that's hypocrisy. Seems to me that Schwartz is the biggest hypocrite because he is a Jewish anti-semite.

    • aspacia

      Arab/Muslims pass out candy and cheer when they murder Jews. Jews do not do this, they fight to defend themselves.

  • effemall

    Schwartz, could you ask your heirs to notify us of your demise whenever it occurs so that we can celebrate.

    • kafir4life

      I'll supply the sweets for the children.

      allahu snackbar!

  • StephenD

    New TV show: "As the Stomach Turns" highlighting the UN silence while Arabs cut the throats of 3 month old babies and yet lose their minds when Israel retaliates against Terrorists. What a show! We can have hand-wringing politicians and clergy jumping in to condemn Israel. We can have soft spoken Arabs with folded hands sit and reflect philosophically that it is a shame. How "Both sides" should come together and work toward peace. How unfortunate it is that Israel will not do so and how bold and courageous Abbas is for attempting to make peace. Bad, Evil Israel. "Palestinians?" Heroic Victims all. Soon enough this will be prime time.

  • jcz

    Israel should destroy every headquarters, official building, police station, military camp in Gaza..forthwith. And for every additional rocket received, start on the politicians in Gaza.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    he is perpetuating the same mistake made by the Arabs back in 1947. He refuses to recognize the right of a “Jewish State” to exist side-by-side with an Arab state, which is central to the partition resolution he only selectively adopts today.

    Actually, not by the Arabs but by Muslims as being Arab has nothing whatsoever to do with the jihad being waged perpetually against the Jewish unbelievers in Israel, but Islam has everything to do with that jihad. Hence, when writers blinded by PC multiculturalism like this one purposefully misrepresent the jihad being waged perpetually against the Jewish unbelievers in Israel as being a conflict between Arabs and Jews, especially without mentioning the roll Islam plays, congratulations they are not only harming the national interest of Israel, but they are also helping to camouflage the Islamic world's global jihad as well. Indeed, is Israel's biggest nemesis today, Iran, which is a Persian majority country, threatening to wipe Israel off the map because it is trying to appease its tiny minority of Arabs or something?

    Israel is its own worse enemy. It should have eradicated Hamas and Fatah years ago. It's getting harder and harder to continue to have sympathy for them, especially since it keeps trying to appease the international Left which will not settle for anything other than the destruction of Israel. Israel needs to identify its greatest strategic threats and then obliterate them in self defense. Not only to provide national security for the people of Israel but to also create deterrence, and the last thing it should ever do is release thousands of jihadists in exchange for Israeli citizens held hostages. Indeed, if jihadists refuse to release hostages they kidnapped and held for ransom, then eradicate the jihadists, but for Christ sakes don't release thousands of jihadists with blood on their hands. That's insane and suicidal!

  • BS77

    When did the UN ever help anyone? The UN was silent and did nothing when Communist China invaded and destroyed Tibet, killing countless Tibetans in the process. The UN did nothing but look away when the genocide in Rwanda and Zaire went on unopposed. The UN did nothing to stop Pol Pot in Cambodia. The UN did nothing for the people of North Korea….for the women of Afghanistan, treated like chattel slaves by the Taliban. The UN is basically a New York site for limos, cocktail parties and corruption.

  • Marty

    This is the united nations, after all, an association of peace-loving states such as iran, sudan, saudi arabia, and north korea. The regimes in these fake countries have committed genocide, mostly against their own citizenries. It is time for the United States to leave the un and encourage other democratic governments to do the same and form their own international organizations. Once that happens, the un will shrivel up since their main source of revenue, taxpayers in democratic societies, will no longer contribute to support institutionalized corruption and hatefests directed toward Americans and Israelis.

  • Herman Caintonette

    We're just not having the right conversation. David Ben-Gurion explains the controversy:

    "Everybody sees a difficulty in the question of relations between Arabs and Jews. But not everybody sees that there is no solution to this question. No solution! There is a gulf, and nothing can bridge it… We, as a nation, want this country to be ours; the Arabs, as a nation, want this country to be theirs."

    "In our political argument abroad, we minimize Arab opposition to us. But let us not ignore the truth among ourselves. I insist on the truth, not out of respect for scientific but political realities. The acknowledgement of this truth leads to inevitable and serious conclusions regarding our work in Palestine . . let us not build on the hope the terrorist gangs will get tired. If some get tired, others will replace them."

    "A people which fights against the usurpation of its land will not tire so easily… it is easier for them to continue the war and not get tired than it is for us … The Palestinian Arabs are not alone. The Syrians are coming to help. From our point of view, they are strangers; in the point of law they are foreigners; but to the Arabs, they are not foreigners at all … The centre of the war is in Palestine, but its dimensions are much wider."

    "Militarily, it is we who are on the defensive who have the upper hand but in the political sphere they are superior. The land, the villages, the mountains, the roads are in their hands. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country, while we are still outside."

    "Why should the Arabs make peace? If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?"

    When even Jews admit that the Zionists are thieves, why should anyone else see them as anything else? No one cries for tyrants, or mourns the death of thieves.

    No one has been able to advance a colorably credible argument as to why the Jews own the land at issue. Even the Biblical conveyance to Abraham is historically a fraud. Not until you can establish superior title can anyone see the Zionists as victims.

    • StephenD

      So acts like cutting the throat of a 3 month old is justifiable to you. You are a disgrace.

      • Herman Caintonette

        Killing babies is a JEWISH thing:

        "The seventh time around, when the priests sounded the trumpet blast, Joshua commanded the people, "Shout! For the LORD has given you the city! The city and all that is in it are to be devoted to the LORD. Only Rahab the prostitute and all who are with her in her house shall be spared, because she hid the spies we sent. …

        When the trumpets sounded, the people shouted, and at the sound of the trumpet, when the people gave a loud shout, the wall collapsed; so every man charged straight in, and they took the city. They devoted the city to the LORD and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it–men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys." Jos. 6:12-21 (NIV)

        What goes around, comes around. Your RELIGION is a disgrace, Stephen.

        • stern

          Oh aren't you clever! Gee, let's see how many Jews we can find who go around doing that today …. as opposed to Islamists.

        • mah29001

          Hey Jew-hater….shut it.

          • Herman Caintonette

            Just holding you to your own standards. How is that "hatred?"

          • stern

            Ah yes, all those Jews running around yelling "G-d is great" as they slit the throats of babes in arms …. oh wait, those weren't Jews. They were your pals the Palestinians.

            If you want to judge a people by their writings from thousands of years ago, consider this. Those very writings prove the Jewish claim to the land is superior to the Palestinian because quite simply, there are NO Palestinian writings of similar antiquity. In fact, the most recent Palestinian "history" goes back no further than 1964, when they decided to become a "nation".

            As for your much vaunted Ben Gurion quotes, why not find some similar quotes from Arabs accepting the Jewish presence. I dare you – they do exist! Then we can play "battling quotes".

            The difference, again, is that Israel has always accepted the idea of a Palestinian state and has always been prepared to discuss its creation. The Palestinians have yet to agree to the existence of Israel – and until they do, they are condemning their own existence to ongoing hatred.

          • Herman Caintonette

            Palestinians are Arabs — sons of Ishmael. The Jewish claim to the land through conveyance in Genesis is a fraud, as the Hittites didn't even exist at the time, and were not in a position to convey the land. Moreover, the sons of Isaac voluntarily abandoned the land, which is a de facto transfer of title. Sure, they took it back via genocide, but when you acquire it via genocide, you can't complain if the Romans dispossess you of it by the same means.

            I agree with Ben-Gurion. It's their land, by any standard you choose. If we were in their place, we'd be doing pretty much the same thing. Remember Irgun? Menachem Begin was a terrorist. Hard to claim that they abandoned the moral high ground when your side used the same tactics.

          • stern

            Ah, the bnei ishmael – all men will be against them. Gee, I wonder why ….

          • Beth

            ENTER: PRESENT DAY:

            For the fact that the 'Palestinians' violate every part of this wisdom….


            Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

            Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


            none of your argument matters.

        • Beth

          "destroyed with the sword"

          Rev 19:15 And out of His mouth goeth a sharp sword (truth)

          The sword (truth) comes from the mouth – which slays the wicked – eternally.

          Whether the readers believe in this – doesn't matter – but the facts do when lies against the Bible are presented. So bare with me here:


          • Beth

            Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and – YE THAT DWELL IN THEM -. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

            Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible AND INVISIBLE

            Hbr 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

            Hbr 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

            Hbr 1:14 ARE THEY NOT ALL MINISTERING SPIRITS SENT FORTH TO MINISTER for them who shall be heirs of salvation?


          • Beth

            Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them [the angels] that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

            Angels are sometimes called men in the Bible.

            If you understood this, Herman Caintonette, then you'd be able to share wisdom rather than rude ignorant insults (which, btw, are only given to defend the undefendable – the koran which preaches murder)

            A more recent Command (found in the Bible) – totally ignored by you (becuase it does not suit your purpose – which is evil):

            Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

            But I say unto you Herman Caintonette, a stranger, not an enemy, – let the brutality that is preached by the koran find you (so that your idiotic support for murder stops; then lives will be saved)

      • aspacia

        You are being kind StephenD.

    • aspacia

      The Qu'ran commands to leave the land of the Jews to the Jews. Oh, and Jerusalem is never mentioned in this text.

      Ben Gurion is wrong.Noam Chomsky is wrong. Mark LeVine is wrong. The list is huge. The land was purchased, and the Arabs started massacring Jews on legally purchased land long before the creation of Israel. The UN declared Israel a country, along with numerous other artificially carved lands. Israel is the only one Arab/Persians hate because it is in Qu'ran to hate Jews.

      Your people are far more intolerant and racist than Israel. Do I really have to again list all the freedoms Israelis enjoy, and all the other ME people are denied.


      Now you claim the Torah is a fraud–really–how so? You know the Mad Mo plagarized the Torah and the New Testament. Again, the Qu'ran asserts that the land of the Jews belongs to the Jews.

    • aspacia

      A few choice nuggets from Muslim leaders:

      A Collection of Historical Quotations
      Relating to the Arab Refugees

      Collected by Moshe Kohn

      ON APRIL 23, 1948 Jamal Husseini, acting chairman of the Palestine Arab Higher Committee (AHC), told the UN Security Council: "The Arabs did not want to submit to a truce … They preferred to abandon their homes, belongings and everything they possessed."

      ON SEPTEMBER 6, 1948, the Beirut Daily Telegraph quoted Emil Ghory, secretary of the AHC, as saying: "The fact that there are those refugees is the direct consequence of the action of the Arab states in opposing partition and the Jewish state. The Arab states agreed upon this policy unanimously…"

      ON JUNE 8, 1951, Habib Issa, secretary-general of the Arab League, wrote in the New York Lebanese daily al-Hoda that in 1948, Azzam Pasha, then League secretary, had "assured the Arab peoples that the occupation of Palestine and of Tel Aviv would be as simple as a military promenade … Brotherly advice was given to the Arabs of Palestine to leave their land, homes and property, and to stay temporarily in neighbouring fraternal states."

      IN THE MARCH 1976 issue of Falastin a-Thaura, then the official journal of the Beirut-based PLO, Mahmud Abbas ("Abu Mazen"), PLO spokesman, wrote: "The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live."

      ON APRIL 9, 1953, the Jordanian daily al-Urdun quoted a refugee, Yunes Ahmed Assad, formerly of Deir Yassin, as saying: "For the flight and fall of the other villages, it is our leaders who are responsible, because of the dissemination of rumours exaggerating Jewish crimes and describing them as atrocities in order to inflame the Arabs … they instilled fear and terror into the hearts of the Arabs of Palestine until they fled, leaving their homes and property to the enemy."

      ANOTHER refugee told the Jordanian daily a-Difaa on September 6, 1954: "The Arab governments told us, 'Get out so that we can get in.' So we got out, but they did not get in."

      THE JORDANIAN daily Falastin wrote on February 19, 1949: "The Arab states … encouraged the Palestinian Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies."

      ON OCTOBER 2, 1948, the London Economist reported, in an eyewitness account of the flight of Haifa's Arabs: "There is little doubt that the most potent of the factors [in the flight] were the announcements made over the air by the Arab Higher Executive urging all Arabs in Haifa to quit … And it was clearly intimated that those Arabs who remained in Haifa and accepted Jewish protection would be regarded as renegades."

      THE PRIME Minister of Syria in 1948, Khaled al-Azem, in his memoirs, published in 1973, listed what he thought were the reasons for the Arab failure in 1948: " … the fifth factor was the call by the Arab governments to the inhabitants of Palestine to evacuate it and leave for the bordering Arab countries …. We brought destruction upon a million Arab refugees by calling on them and pleading with them to leave their land."

      • Herman Caintonette

        Avoiding an invading army does not constitute abandonment of one's property rights. That having said, many Palestinians were removed at the business end of Zionist panzers.

        • aspacia

          Really? So all those displaced by Arab/Islamic invaders still retain their land rights? Oh, the Israelis had one–ONE TANK that did not have a cannon.

          The problem is that Arab will not absorb their brethren into their vast lands, hence the continued displacement — Jews absorbed their brethren. They too were without compensation.

          Little Cain – it is you who is the hypocrite.

          • Herman Caintonette

            Force was used by the Zionists. Most of the residents were peaceful farmers, who had no control over what happened in Casablanca and Baghdad. As a condition of admission to the UN, the Zionists pledged to pay reparations to the residents. And of course, they welched on their promise.

          • aspacia

            Really, then why the numerous Muslim massacres of Zionists prior to the creation of the state of Israel.

            Right, how many millions go into the corrupt Arab government by Israel. Israel weekly sends tons of humanitarian aid to Gaza. Israel provides the Muslims clean water and electricity until they, predictably violently attack . The last time was the massacre of the Fogel family.

            Geez, I would not provide a penny to my sworn enemies.

            Oh, and why didn't the oil rich Arab nations pay compensation to the 650,000 expelled Jews?

            Again, you are a hypocrite.

        • Beth

          "Avoiding an invading army does not constitute abandonment of one's property rights"

          Then the name Yugoslavia deserves to be re-established and the Serbs given back their land.

      • Beth

        Great Post aspacia!!! Thumbs up!

  • Brujo Blanco

    One tragedy of our time is the renewal of hatred regarding Jews. It is more than apparent that if the terrorists stop firing rockets at the Jess the Jews will stop hitting back. These Islamists have made it clear that when they kill all the Jews in the Mideast they will kill the rest of them. Other non-believers will not be left off the hook. When is the United Nations going to do something to stop this policy of firing rockets into Israel? Israel is a member state but they are treated as a non-member state.

  • LindaRivera

    The UN is the most evil anti human rights organization on earth.

    The UN is filled with rabid Jew-haters who are vehemently opposed to Jewish self-defense. When Israel takes tiny, inadequate steps to defend her citizens, the UN is filled with rage. The only Jews the UN wants are dead Jews.

    Israel, defend yourself! Re-take Gaza! Declare sovereignty over Judea and Samaria! Self defense is a G-D given right!

    • Dr Tongue

      I thought God taught us to turn the other cheek? and to love our enemies?

      you must be talking about a different god.

      • Murray Schwartz

        a hateful and vengeful one…. fixated on violence and revenge.

        Oh well, it takes all kinds of nutcases to make the world go 'round.

      • LindaRivera

        There is not a single scripture in the Bible where G-D tells us to ALLOW ourselves to be murdered.

        Self-defense and defense of one's nation is a G-D given right.

  • LindaRivera

    To Herman Caintonette,

    There are many false quotes and lies regarding Israel and Jews. And blood libels.

    Although a majority of Jews were driven out of their beloved land, there has always been a minority of very courageous Jews who remained living in the land, especially in and around Jerusalem. The land was harsh and barren and very few people lived in Jewish Palestine.

    • Herman Caintonette

      The quotes are from Ben-Gurion, and all have been properly sourced. By any standard you choose, the land is not theirs.

      • UCSPanther

        Go ahead and try to remove them by force.

        It's your funeral…

  • LindaRivera

    Arabs first started calling themselves "Palestinians" in 1967. Global terrorist, Egyptian Arafat was the first leader of this new people. Partner with Arafat for over 40 years; immorally respected by the US/EU-Holocaust denier, Abbas, financed the massacre of Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympic Games.

    Before 1948, Jews were known as the Palestinians.
    The Jewish newspaper, the Jerusalem Post was called the Palestine Post. The Jewish-founded electric company was Palestine Electric. The Palestinian Symphony Orchestra was all Jewish. During World War II, the British army had a Palestinian Brigade made up entirely of Jewish volunteers.

    After Jews migrated to Palestine in significant numbers in the late 1800s and miraculously transformed desert and swamps into rich, agricultural land, Arabs came in large numbers from Arab countries for jobs from Jews.

    The fact that the overwhelming majority of Arabs resided only briefly in Palestine is attested to by a one-time special UN decree: that any Arab who had resided in Palestine for only two years before 1948, and then left, would be considered a refugee and so would his descendants!

    Throughout history, people were never regarded as refugees if they had resided in a country for only two years because they were clearly citizens of other countries!

    • aspacia

      Linda, you are improving in asserting your claims:-)

    • aspacia

      Oh, you might want to check how no other people have held refugee status this long, and how it is being used to prolong the violence and destroy Israel.

  • Moshe Pupick

    M., 10/31/11 common era

    Most of the Gentile world loves to memorialize dead or suffering Jews. It's when the living Jews include jet fighter pilots wearing yarmulkahs that these hateful folks really get upset. We either mess up their theology or we conflict with their supposedly more enlightened secular viewpoints. Keep focused on The Temple Mount. . . .

    • aspacia

      Moshe, I am a Gentile, secular U.S. citizen who has been a strong Israeli advocate since the 60's. I love the fact you are again kicking some enemy a$$ just as you did during the first and second temple.


      A Deist.

      • Flipside

        That is the absolute worst pick-up line I have ever read.

  • Ghostwriter

    Oh boy! Another anti-semitic comment from Herman Caintonette. Like Flipside's obnoxious remarks,they're as predictable as the tide.

    • Herman Caintonette

      The only view I have stated is that by any standard you care to use, the Palestinian Arabs have superior claim to the land. David Ben-Gurion agrees. Why don't you accuse HIM of anti-semitism?

    • aspacia

      The problem is the little Cain is a bit better educated than the two other trolls. Hence, I bother to refute him as he is as dangerous as LeVine, Mossad, and many others I have targeted by writing scathing critiques to their employers, all of the Board of Trustees, et al. It pays off. Columbia made Mossad retrack a few claims.

      • WilliamJamesWard


    • Flipside

      Without tides, the intertidal zone would be static and small, and biodiversity would resemble Israel, small crusts of land soaked by the same salt water and yielding little chance of evolution.

  • WilliamJamesWard

    All things considered and all comments looked at and a life time of watching what
    is going on in Israel and the Middle East, I am completely for the Isreali position
    with the possible exception of being less benevolent, less patient, less able to
    take abuse, less kind to murderers. It may be a defect on my part and admit
    I am unable to be as tough as the Israeli Jew in the face of unbearable provocation.
    For the millions of Americans that have a heart for Israel I recommend that the
    Muslims seek peace rather than oblivion and a small foot note in World History
    as a bad people that met a bad end……………………………………….William

  • keoke888

    Israel is the only neighboring country that gives Palestinians any civil rights at all, they are probably too terrified to infringe on anyone else.

    • Larry

      Jordan kicked them out after an attempted coup, Assad massacred them after an attempted coup, they started a civil war in Lebanon (which was created specifically as a Christian country) that destroyed the only other democracy in the ME.

      Why anybody, any where, any time, has ever thought that you could have a "peace process" let alone peace with the "palestinians" is beyond me.

    • Guest

      There is no such thing as a Palestian, Keoke888. Do a bit of research. "Palestinians" were invented by Yassir Arafat in the 1960s. They are a non-entity, do not exist. The question then becomes "Why does the Israeli Govt insist on negotiating with a non-existent people, giving the impression that they do exist and have some claim to the land?" My grandfather sits and talks to non-existent entities too, but at least he has an excuse. The Israeli Govt has no excuse except that it is corrupt to the bone and in the back pockets of both the West and Arab oil and it answers to no one else, nor does it care what happens to any Jew in Israel.

  • Fflowerknife_us

    The UN taking formal note of rocket fire from Gaza would only give sanction to Israeli responces. Something the UN is unlikely to ever do,

    The UN proves everyday the misguided notion of Global Govenment.

  • Herman Caintonette

    aspacia: "The problem is the little Cain is a bit better educated than the two other trolls. Hence, I bother to refute him as he is as dangerous as LeVine, Mossad, and many others I have targeted by writing scathing critiques to their employers, all of the Board of Trustees, et al. It pays off. Columbia made Mossad retrack a few claims. "

    LOL! And people wonder why I don't reveal personal information. Still, any praise from the Zionists on this board is grudging at best.

    asp: "I will have to check on your source, and if Hinnell is valid I will check his work against Pipes et al. At the moment, Arab/Muslim historians are questionable because many claim the Holocaust never happened, Jerusalem is holy to Islam, (never mentioned in the Qu'ran), they are descended from Canaanites, etc."

    By that metric, Daniel Pipes (a known Jewish neo-con, who has a dog in the hunt, as well) must necessarily be suspect, as well.

    asp: "Moshe, I am a Gentile, secular U.S. citizen"

    As am I; I don't have a dog in this hunt. Facts are facts, and if my facts are correct, it is impossible to make a credible case for the notion that the Jews have superior title to the land.

    • aspacia

      Little Cain, you claim to be from Saudi Arabia, hence are probably Arab.

      Pipes is American first and does not claim to be Jewish American, which so many minorities tend to do. Also, Pipes is an avowed secularist and does not exhibit any religious tendencies and I doubt if he even attends temple. He is quite simply a historian.

      I share many neocon views, but am a social liberal who agrees with gay rights.

      You have probably attended a liberal college or university and have been subjected to many of the idiotic academic POVs regarding criminal white behavior. Trust me, when I pointed out the criminal behavior of many African, Arab, Turk, Native Amc. etc., and others, the professors always changed the subject because they did not have a response.

    • Beth

      "the Zionists"

      Psa 76:2 In Salem also is His tabernacle, and His dwelling place in Zion.

      The Judgment has not taken place yet Herman Caintonette (to call anyone a Zionist – a name that I would be proud to have – is to sit yourself in the Judgment Seat of the Lord)

      Put your hand on your mouth – and keep it there.

  • Guest

    Sorry?? Why should the UN care about dead Jews when the corrupt Israel govt clearly thinks of Jews as less than human and does everything it can to enable Arab violence to murder as many Jews as possible? Why should the UN or anyone else care about dead Jews if their own people (other Jews) dont even care?!

  • Meadow

    Too many colpimments too little space, thanks!

  • cpolgr

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  • Flipside

    If Mr. Klein feels so strongly about it, why doesn’t he go there and deflect one off his mighty breastplate?

  • Joseph Klein

    Why doesn't Flipside go to Gaza, join Hamas and flip his anti-Semitism over there where he will have lots of company?

  • EVABeliever

    Hey Flipdik: Your hateful rhetoric is getting boring. It's repetitive and baseless. Hear this: Israel has given sufficient warning to the Gazan Arabs to cease and desist. From this point on the Arabs living in Gaza are fair game. Of course, anti-Semites like flip will blast Israel for acting disproportionately! To flip, a dead Jew is nothing and therefore his comments should be placed in the garbage can where he resides.

  • Flipside

    A cease and desist order against existing? Can’t say that I’d honor one of those.

  • stern

    But that's exactly what you expect from Israel. Not so nice when it's pointed at you, is it?

  • Foolster41

    Uh, you have it backwords once again. Living up to your name I see. It is alastine who is denying Isreal's right to exist.

    To Flipside Black is white, white is black, evil is good and good is evil.

  • Flipside

    It’s not pointed at me. I am an American who lives in Boston.

  • Flipside

    Aspacia has remodeled her feminist outrage as Jewish outrage.

  • aspacia

    Flipper knows he will be executed as an infidel. He is too much of a craven coward to go.

  • Flipside

    You’re the Zionist. Why not live in Zion?

  • aspacia

    Do you even know what the definition of a Zionist is? Fool

    I am a American — period — who holds many strong beliefs.

  • Flipside

    Nobody cares about your goyish atheist feminist name badge. Or if today you self-identify as an American. The identity politics of nobodies is pointless.

  • aspacia

    Who is undereducated and bigoted.

  • Herman Caintonette

    Hardly. He just happens to disagree, and has a sound basis for so doing.