War Powers Showdown

Joseph Klein is a Harvard-trained lawyer and the author of Global Deception: The UN’s Stealth Assault on America’s Freedom and Lethal Engagement: Barack Hussein Obama, the United Nations & Radical Islam.


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Things are heating up over Libya and I do not mean just NATO’s sustained aerial bombing campaign. President Obama is facing a challenge in Congress and in court over his failure to seek congressional authorization for U.S. military involvement in the Libyan war in accordance with the United States Constitution and the War Powers Resolution. And while the Obama administration seems to think that all it needs to do is to act within the authority granted by the United Nations Security Council, tempers are beginning to fray at the Security Council, too, as the war drags on.

House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) sent a letter to President Obama on June 14th warning the White House that its continued deployment of U.S. military troops in the North African country appeared to violate the law requiring any U.S. president, within 60 days of his the launching of a military engagement, to secure congressional authority for doing so. The letter told President Obama that he was out of time and demanded a legal justification for passing the deadline.

Meanwhile, ten congressmen, led by Reps. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) and Walter Jones (R-NC), filed a bipartisan complaint in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia on June 15th challenging the legality of Barack Obama’s military intervention into Libya without congressional authorization. They allege it violates the Constitution and the War Powers Resolution.  The complaint seeks “injunctive and declaratory relief to protect the Plaintiffs and the country from a policy that a president may commit the United States to a war under the authority of the United Nations without authorization from Congress.”

The White House responded on June 15th with a report that purported to legally justify why President Obama could go it alone in Libya without congressional approval, even though the Obama administration has acknowledged that the Libyan war is not a response to a direct threat to the United States.  Indeed, on March 28, 2011, President Obama described the Libyan conflict as one of the “times . . . when our safety is not directly threatened, but our interests and our values are.” President Obama also said that the United States would be involved for a matter of days or a few weeks. We have now been involved for three months and counting.

The administration is trying to argue that it does not matter since we are not really involved in hostilities over the “shores of Tripoli.” According to the Obama administration’s reasoning, our limited support for our NATO allies who are doing the heavy lifting in conducting the aerial bombing does not rise to the level that would warrant the congressional approval requirements of the War Powers Resolution.

In a joint interview to explain their rationale, Harold Koh, the State Department legal adviser, and Robert Bauer, the White House counsel, argued that American forces had not been in “hostilities” at least since early April when NATO took over leadership of the bombing campaign.

The Obama administration lawyers also sought to justify their position that the War Powers Resolution does not apply to Obama’s involvement of U.S. military forces in Libya because there are no troops on the ground and American forces face little meaningful threat from an exchange of fire with Libyan forces:

We’re not engaged in any of the activities that typically over the years in war powers analysis is considered to constitute hostilities within the meaning of the statute. We’re not engaged in sustained fighting. There’s been no exchange of fire with hostile forces. We don’t have troops on the ground. We don’t risk casualties to those troops.

Who knew that the estimated expenditure of $1.1 billion by this September at the current scale of operations ($715.9 million, from mid-March through June 3), the flying of missile-firing drones in Libyan airspace, search and rescue missions, and the continued flying of about a quarter of all air missions over Libya (including refueling and intelligence sorties) was so trivial?

Speaker Boehner’s spokesman Brendan Buck said that there were a number of questions regarding “the creative arguments” being made by the White House. That is an understatement.

Without getting too technical, the first thing to note in the War Powers Resolution is that it is not limited to requiring U.S. military intervention in which only ground troops are involved. Section 4 (a)(2) refers to the introduction of United States Armed Forces “into the territory, airspace or waters of a foreign nation, while equipped for combat, except for deployments which relate solely to supply, replacement, repair or training of such forces.”

What is it about the words “airspace of a foreign nation” that the Obama administration does not understand? Are they prepared to argue that our troops providing surveillance and logistical support are not “equipped for combat” in case they do meet armed resistance from Libyan government forces?

Moreover, according to public reports, U.S. personnel with Army Special Forces units and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) have been on the ground in Libya to assist the rebel forces. And does anyone seriously believe that if one of our unarmed drones were to go down we would just leave it there and allow the Libyan forces to get hold of our valuable technology for possible sale to one of our adversaries such as China?

The exception in Section 4 (a)(2) of the War Powers Resolution for “deployments which relate solely to supply, replacement, repair or training” applies to those activities in support of our own troops, not those of other NATO countries engaged in an offensive military operation, nor those of the Libyan rebel forces.

Section 8 (b) of the War Powers Resolution does allow “members of United States Armed Forces to participate jointly with members of the armed forces of one or more foreign countries” without any further specific congressional authorization, but only “in the headquarters operations of high-level military commands which were established prior to the date of enactment of this joint resolution.” In other words, our high-level military commanders can work with their NATO counterparts within the structure of pre-existing “headquarters operations” without further specific congressional approval. But this does not mean that the president is free to unilaterally put American military forces in harm’s way in support of NATO’s ongoing military intervention within the airspace of another country — one in which NATO has intervened without invitation.

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  • mwade002

    The Republicans are enabling Qaddafi by attacking the president to make America look divided and weak. Look at the timing. A 1973 law that was ignored since inception, right as the president is struggling to force Qaddafi out, suddenly becomes a big issue. But the President in true form schools them, again.

    • Jameela

      The Lost Tribes of Satan aka Israel

      The mystery of two of the ten Lost Tribes of Satan aka Israel has been solved. Allah reveals in the following Verse of the Qur’an that one tribe He Transformed into monkeys and they exist in the animal kingdom and zoos and the other tribe, Allah Transformed into swine; a major food source for the jew’s christian slaves.

      (Say [O Muhammad to the people of the Scripture): “Shall I inform you of something worse than that, regarding the recompense from Allah? Those [Jews] who incurred the Curse of Allah and His Wrath, and those of whom [some] He transformed into monkeys and swines, and those who worshipped Taghut [false deities]; such are worse in rank [on the Day of Resurrection in the Hell-fire], and far more astray from the Right Path [in the life of this world]”.)

      Muslims obey Allah and will not eat a “cursed” jew {swine}, as we know the flesh of the swine is permeated with parasitic jew worms that control the minds of the jew’s christian slaves. Also, the pig has human qualities, as pig skin is used in pig-to-human skin graft transplants for burn victims. Allah identifies the jew’s to be the JINN in the following Verses of the Qur’an and He identifies the christian’s partially-eaten, jew corpse god to be a JINN slave Messenger, sent to the Children of Israel and NOT the Children of Adam {non-jews}.

      (And they have invented a kinship between Him and the jinn, but the jinn know well that they have indeed to appear [before Him] [i.e. they will be called to account].)

      (He [Isa-Jesus] was not more than a slave. We granted Our Favour to him, and We made him an example for the Children of Israel [i.e. his creation without a father].)

      (Verily, those whom you call upon besides Allah are slaves like you. So call upon them and let them answer you if you are truthful.)

      The jew’s forged the Torah and the New Testament to hide their Satanic origins and to identify Satan as a serpent, however, Allah reveals Satan aka Israel to be a JINN in the following Verses of the Quran:

      (“And [remember] when We said to the angels: “Prostrate yourselves unto Adam.” So they prostrated themselves except Satan. He was one of the jinn; he disobeyed the Command of his Lord. Will you then take him [Iblees] and his offspring as protectors and helpers rather than Me while they are enemies to you? What an evil is the exchange for the Zaalimoon [polytheists, and wrongdoers, etc.].)

      (And the jinn: He created from a smokeless flame of fire.)

      The Torah and New Testament are forgeries, as they make gods of the jew’s, while making virtual slaves of the Children of Adam {non-jews}. It is time christian’s recognize the New Testament for what it is: an instruction manual; “How to Serve and Worship Your Hostile Jinn aka Jew Masters for Dummies”. Yes, Allah “Chose” the jew’s, He “Chose” the species consisting of monkeys, swine, devils and jinn; to return back to the Hell-fire from which they were created. The christian’s diabolical worship of a partially-eaten, jew corpse and their worshipping and serving clinically-insane, barn and zoo animals in the life of this world; mandates they receive the harshest punishment in the Hell-fire.

      ALLAH is the greatest, ALLAH is ALIVE, but the christian’s god is only a partially eaten, rotting jew corpse. ALLAHU AKBAR you rabid, jew-eating, racist, christian, cannibals of extremely low intelligence. I will be sure to tell your hostile jinn aka jew masters what loyal and obedient slaves you christians are. Enjoy your brief and evil life of fairy tales and hokum your evil jew masters have created for you, because the Hell-fire is your final destination. Only Allah’s Warriors can put-down the rabid, corpse-eating, blood-drinking, christian ghouls and send them to their partially-eaten, bled-out, rotting jew corpse they call god.

      • ziontruth

        Thank you, David Al-Duke.

        No wonder the Nazis expressed admiration for Islam.

      • FLIrishPM

        I see you are quoting another speech from Jeremiah Wright that Barack Obama must have listened to while sitting in his church for 20 years.

        Fact: Jesus warned his followers, including Jews, that false prophets will rise up after his death and it describes islam to a tee. The father of the lie, Satan, conjured up a fake religion called islam to enslave the weak minded into following him and only him…thus the rabid devotion to islam is nothing more than Satan's wanting total and complete devotion (Allah is the greatest) and worship. How else do you explain Muslims killing innocents in the name of their god? That is not "Christ like"…it is anti-Christ. So, there you have it.

        • scum

          Who cares about Jesus, who cares about Islam? What's the relevance to the post?

          • FLIrishPM

            Hey doofus, I was replying to "Jameela"……are you an islamic savage apologist too? Read my post again…..Jameela was making a case for "allah" and I was making a case that his fake god is what Jesus called a "false prophet"……

      • Christian Gordon

        Thank you for expressing verses from your Koran and the sermon on the 'Religion of Peace'. I am simply amazed at how tolerant and loving your religion really seems to be. I wonder, as do others here, why there are not hundreds of thousands of westerners beating down your doors, trying to become muslims!

        Let me ask you a question. Isn't it a sin to hate someone? You may hate their actions, but isn't it a sin to hate the person themselves? They are God's creation. Who else hated what God created? Who hates God? I don't like what you've written but that doesn't mean I will hate you. Your own Koran admits the influence of the devil in its creation. You are blinded by hatred, which is evil. "For whosoever hates his brother is already a murderer." Matthew 5: 27, 28:“You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’e 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

      • Rifleman

        So basically, you're saying you arabs have been getting your butts kicked for the last 60 years by monkeys and pigs. That explains why you're always hiding your faces behind something.

      • MixMChess

        I'm sorry, but this proves the absolute ignorance and naivete of the left. Anyone who tries to tell me that Palestinians and Islamists are not xenophobic racists who would gladly treat Jews as equals if just given the chance need look no further than Jameela's comments. They are full of it, plain and simple.

        • ziontruth

          "Racism" in their eyes is only committed by those they oppose. A Helen Thomas calling for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine of its entire Jewish population (God forbid) isn't racist in their eyes.

          The truth is, for all their talk about "racism," their incessant pulling of the Race Card, racial issues have never the Marxists' slightest care; this has always been about nothing other than power and gaining it by any means possible. The focus on "racist oppression" is just one of those means. The Marxist modus operandi has three rules:

          1) Where there is no strife between groups, create it from scratch.

          2) Where there is little strife between groups, magnify it by blowing its significance out of all proportion.

          3) Where there is great strife between groups, gain political power by claiming to be its cure.

          That's all there is to it: Power and the means of gaining it.

          • ziontruth

            Oops! Sorry for the double-post. I thought this was again a case of the anti-spam system on this forum blocking my message because of certain words.

        • ziontruth

          "Racism" in their eyes is only committed by those they oppose. A Helen Thomas calling for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine of its entire Jewish population (God forbid) isn't racist in their eyes.

          The truth is, for all their talk about "racism," their incessant pulling of the Race Card, racial issues have never been the Marxists' slightest care; this has always been about nothing other than power and gaining it by any means possible. The focus on "racist oppression" is just one of those means. The Marxist modus operandi has three rules:

          1) Where there is no strife between groups, create it from scratch.

          2) Where there is little strife between groups, magnify it by blowing its significance out of all proportion.

          3) Where there is great strife between groups, gain political power by claiming to be its cure.

          • coyote3

            The fact is they have "created" racial classifications from pure rubbish. Race is based on science, but now we even have the federal government considering classifications like, hispanic, white, and yes black, and a number of other classifications as "races" when they are no such thing.

      • vladdy

        Anybody still want to claim that islam is akin to Judaism and Christianity, since they are all "People of the Book"? Too insane to see he's insane. Too bad this can't appear in every major newspaper — hey, Allah-lovin'-hater- dude, why don't you make flyers with some of this stuff on it and pass 'em out? You could ask allah to give you a plane and drop thousands over the bluest cities like New York.
        That'd be awesome..Wake up some of these nutty coexist people who think allah and God are the same thing.

      • HCQ

        A shotgun blast to the back of Jameela's head is a cure for all it's problems.

      • Guest

        If the Torah and New Testament are forgeries, how do you account for all of the archeological evidence, historical writings and accurate foretelling of events? Allah is a man-made god of the minds of those who know no better, sadly for you. May God have mercy on your soul, and bring you to the wonderful knowledge of the saving blood of His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.

      • aspacia

        You are a prime example regarding what the West fears regarding Islam. Allah is a pig and is worshipped by those who fear pigs because Allah is a SWINE.

    • debarrio

      BTW: mwade002 and jameela are on the same side.

  • poptoy

    If the Republicans in the House of Representatives do not jump on this and issue a Declaration of Impeachment come Monday Morning, June 20, 2911 they are going to have passed up the biggest chance they have ever had to bring this "Tin Pot" to his knees. They are also allowing him to urinate all over the Constitution. This will become a new low for this country. Damned the golf Clubs….he is violation of the constitution of the United States one second after Midnight on the Morning of June 20th. Does the Speaker of the House have a Spine? We shall see come Monday.

    • FLIrishPM

      I agree…..begin impeachment now. We are supposed to be a nation of laws, however not in Barack Obama's eyes. He told us all that his goal was to "fundamentally transform" the United States and he's making good on that promise.

      • Jim_C

        Pffft. His biggest problem is that he hasn't transformed anything. The guys who called the shots before are still calling them. "Victory" is always "just around the corner," just lay out a few billion more, dear taxpayers….New boogeyman, same old story.

    • coyote3

      Well, the war powers act, itself, is unconstitutional, because it interjects Congress into the making of war. Congress has two powers, 1) Declare war (or not), and 2) all funding for war. What the president has done is unconstitutional, no question about it, without authorization, i.e., declaration from Congress (there is no requirement of any "magical" language in a declaration of war). So, Congress' alternative is to defund the thing, completely, and all at once. That would force the president to stop the illegal hostilities, and no, that wouldn't put any one in jeopardy, they would still be able to bring everyone home. All this aside, I do have to ask. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GET OUT OF THIS LIBYA THING? Actually, I don't have a "personal" problem with us being bandits, I would just like to see us get something for it.

      • Wesley69

        Though I agree with the idea that there are grounds to impeach Obama, it will not go anywhere.

        Impeachment is a two step process. Charges are passed in the House by a majority vote. The Republicans can impeach Obama.

        The second phase is in the Senate. This is the trial. To convict and remove, the Senate must vote a two-thirds majority. With the Democrats already in the majority, it will NEVER happen.

        If the Republicans try to impeach Obama, it will work against them against it did when they impeached Clinton. We need Obama out of office, but we don't need voters, particularly independents, feeling sorry for him.

        The Republicans need to take the President to court over this and let them decide. They can cut funds to the Libyan war effort. They could pass a vote to censure the President for his illegal actions and use of the UN resolution to support his actions. This would be better. Only one President has been censured, Andrew Jackson. The Republicans can then point to Obama's disregard for the law in this and other instances.

  • geez

    Evidently our Constitution doesn't apply to Muslim's in the White House.

    • scum

      There are no Muslims in the White House, for your information

      • dgc

        You are correct! Rather, we have an Alinsky accolite and devoted Marxist who's extraordinary narcissism drives him to believe that it is his perogative to act outside the rule of law to subvert or undermine everything that America stands for in order to transform the nation into something that it's citizens reject!

        While, he is not muslim, he certainly is very sympathetic to islamofascist thinking, almost as if he were a dhimmi himself!

  • Rifleman

    What's so difficult for hussein about complying with the law? It's the democrats' baby, yet it doesn't apply to them? It's just like hussein's refusal to comply with the medicare trigger, and his refusal to abide by judicial rulings that don't go in their favor.

  • ze-ev ben jehudah

    Muslims are known for their arrogance or does Barack Hussein Obama
    has a different oppinions.

  • Jameela

    We are ALL Arabs, Except the Jews

    (“I convey to you the Messages of my Lord and give sincere advice to you. And I know from Allah what you know not.”)

    Allah reveals in the following Verse of the Qur’an the entire earth’s population are descendants of Adam, with the exception of the Jews, as they are the Children of Iblis aka Israel.

    (O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam), and from him (Adam) He created his wife [Hawwa] (Eve)], and from them both He created many men and women; and fear Allah through Whom you demand (your mutual rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship). Surely, Allah is Ever an All-Watcher over you.)

    It is revealed in the following Hadith, that Adam spoke Arabic, which means Adam was an Arab, and ALL the Children of Adam are of Arab descent. And this is the reason Allah sent the Children of Adam an Arab Prophet aka Prophet Muhammad [phuh].

    Narrated Abu Hurairah: The Prophet said, “Allah created Adam in His Image, sixty cubits (about 30 metres) in height. When He created him, He said (to him), “Go and greet that group of angels sitting there, and listen what they will say in reply to you, for that will be your greeting and the greeting of your offspring.” Adam (went and) said, “As-Salamu Alaikum [peace be upon you].” They replied, “As-Salamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullah {Peace and Allah’s mercy be on you).” So they increased Wa Rahmatullah.” The Prophet added, “So, whoever will enter Paradise, will be of the shape and picture of Adam. Since then the creation of Adam’s {offspring} {i.e. stature of human beings} is being diminished up to the present time.

    The dirty-white race is the race furthest removed from the racial purity of our Arab father Adam, and by default, this makes the dirty-white race the morally and melanin depleted garbage race and not the master race, only master fools. Allah will dispose of the dirty-white garbage race in the manner in which Allah Disposes of the garbage that He has created. Allah Will burn the dirty-white garbage race in the bowels of the Hell-fire for worshipping a murdered Jew as god, along with their evil Jew masters. Allah reveals the Jew’s father in the following Verse of the Qur’an:

    (I (Allah) made them (Iblis and his offspring) not to witness (nor took their help in) the creation of the heavens and the earth and not (even) their own creation, nor was I (Allah) to take the misleaders as helpers.)

    ([This is the] Revelation sent down from the Lord of the Alamin [mankind, jinn and all that exists].)

    ([He is Allah] Owner of High Ranks and Degrees, the Owner of the Throne. He sends the revelation by His Command to any of His slaves He wills, that he (the person who receives revelation) may warn (men) of the Day of Mutual Meeting [i.e. the Day of Resurrection].

    (And to warn those [Jews, Christians, and pagans] who say, “Allah has begotten a son [or offspring or children].”)

    (No knowledge have they of such a thing, nor had their fathers. Mighty is the word that comes out of their mouths [i.e. He begot sons and daughters]. They utter nothing but a lie.)

    (Your Ilah [God] is One Ilah [God-Allah, none has the right to be worshipped but He])

    (“And indeed, We created man from dried [sounding] clay of altered mud. And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame of fire.”).

    (And I have created the jinn and men only to worship Me).

    (And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.”)

    Jameela
    Messenger of Allah
    & Defender of Islam

    18 April 2011

    • Freedom John

      By your words it's clear your father is Satan. You talk just like him.

    • tagalog

      Please excuse me for saying so, but I'm not Arab in the slightest degree. Not genetically, not culturally, not by predisposition, not by attitude, not in any way at all.

      I would think you would be careful about saying that everyone except the Jews is an Arab; I think Arabs are pretty protective about what they believe is their cultural and racial superiority.

      • coyote3

        Arabs are not a race.

        • tagalog

          Oh really? Ask the folks who live on the Arabian Peninsula if Arabs aren't a race. The Berbers, Jews, and a couple of other groups belong to it.

          The rest of the Islamic world is a religious group.

          For purposes of atrocities and war crimes and genocide no differentiation is made between race, ethnicity, religion, and a few other classifications.

          • coyote3

            Bravo Sierra, there are only three scientific classifications of race. Negro, Caucasian and Mongolian. You can call yourself a "unicorn" if you want, but that does not change scientific facts. Those are the classifications, not some politically correct jibberish. Now, it is true there are few people, especially in the western hemisphere, who are not of mixed racial components, to some degree, but that doesn't change the fact that there are only three races. None of which are "Arab", "Jew". They try that rubbish with hispanics in this country, when, in fact, hispanics are of all races. Most, in this country, are considered Caucasians, or mixed Mongolian and Caucasian.

          • tagalog

            Actually, there are more than three. The United States' federal government uses six racial classifications, the racial classifications accepted (with reservations) by the American Anthropological Society.

          • coyote3

            Bravo Sierra, no such thing. The federal government does determine racial classifications any more than it can establish elements for the period table.

          • coyote3

            Should read the federal government does not determine racial classification….. I guess it can say whatever it wants, e.g., there is no sun, but that does not make it so.

          • tagalog

            Saying "Bravo Sierra" does not make it untrue, either.

            Besides, the racial classifications -as stated in my post- don't come from the U.S. government. The U.S. government just uses them.

    • Rifleman

      That's okay, I don't worship Lucifer anyway.

    • MixMChess

      Hmmm, sounds like a desperate cry from the defender of the so-called "religion of peace." Thanks for showing us your true colors.

    • vladdy

      Dude, I think you need some psychiatric help..

    • Quinn

      Islam ripped off Judaism. Muslims worship a rock.

    • Quinn

      Don't you have an honor killing to participate in or something?

    • aspacia

      Follower of the pig ALLAH

  • Jameela

    The Eucharist of the Hell-fire

    Allah reveals in the following Verses of the Qur’an, the Eucharist will be the only food provided to the proud, Jew-eating, Christian Cannibals in the Hell-fire. The following Verse of the Qur’an reveals what the Eucharist really is and the Eucharist of the Hell-fire clearly identifies the Jews.

    (Verily, the tree of Zaqqum)

    (Will be the food of sinners.)

    (Which will neither nourish nor avail against hunger.)

    (Verily, it is a tree that springs out of the bottom of Hell-fire,)

    (The shoots of its fruit-stalks are like the heads of Shayatin [devils];)

    (An exact recompense [according to their evil crimes].)

    (“Taste you [this]! Verily, you were [pretending to be] the mighty, the generous!)

    (Truly, they will eat thereof and fill their bellies therewith.)

    (Then on the top of that they will be given boiling water to drink so that it becomes a mixture [of boiling water and Zaqqum in their bellies].)

    (Like boiling oil, it will boil in the bellies,)

    (Like the boiling of scalding water)

    (And they will cry: “O Malik [Keeper of Hell]! Let your Lord make an end of us.” He will say: “Verily, you shall abide forever.”)

    (They will long to get out of the Fire, but never will they get out therefrom; and theirs would be a painful torment.)

    (They will say: “Did there not come to you, your Messengers with [clear] evidences [and signs]?” They will say: “Yes” They will reply: “Then call [as you like]! And the invocation of the disbelievers is nothing but in vain [as it will not be answered by Allah)!”)

    (Nay! You shall come to know!)

    (Again Nay! You shall come to know!)

    (Truly, Hell is a place of ambush–)

    Jameela
    Messenger of Allah
    & Defender of Islam

    19 April 2011

    • Rifleman

      Don't make a mess.

      • StephenD

        Notice he calls himself a "messenger of Allah" doesn't this qualify in their world as Blasphemy? Isn't Mad Mo the only true messenger? Also, if Islam is the truth why would it need "defending?" Defender of Islam. Sounds like a comic book story for childish minds. I prefer Captain America than some Genie from a Lantern any day.

        • Rifleman

          I don't know about that, but it sure does sound like he's getting off on the violent imagery.

    • vladdy

      Jameelah, You're pretty big on this S & M thing. You might try visiting San Franciso; I hear you can find about anything there.

    • Wesley69

      This is so filled with hate, it makes it difficult to reply, but I am a cannibalizing ghoul eating the corpse of a dead, Jew man-god. According to your faith, Jameela, I am an infidel, who, If I don't accept Allah, should die by the sword.

      As for Christian beliefs, we believe in one God within Whom there are three personalities or aspects, God as Creator, the Father, God as Jesus, the Son and God as the Holy Spirit. All aspects or personalities of God have existed from all time. Man was created by God, a little lower than the angels, but man sins against God's law as presented to the prophet, Moses. These sins continue throughout human history, the past, the present and future.

      God, due to His Divine Mercy, has opened the gates of Paradise through the suffering and death of His Son, Jesus. Only God is a perfect sacrifice for the sins against God. Jesus, in his ministry, presented His powers and authority by His miracles, His Transfiguration, His raising of Lazarus from the dead. There are no stories of Jesus killing someone or hurting someone. There are no stories where Jesus used His powers to forcibly convert anyone. He knew what fate awaited Him and He accepted it because it was the will of His Father. He was humiliated, scourged, crowned with thorns, borne His cross up Mount of Olivet, affixed to it by nails hammered through His wrists and feet. Yet, in his agony, He asked for His Father's forgiveness for His murderers. How did Mohammed deal with those who sought his death? The Islamic belief is that there was a substitute for Jesus at the crucifixion. Jesus was crucified, died and was buried. This was His mission from birth, to die a horrific death for man's sins.

      What is key to Christianity is that we believe Jesus rose, physically, from the dead. There must be a cross before the glory of the Resurrection. That is why it is a symbol of our faith. The cross represents Our Lord's death for us, but it is a symbol of His rising, His victory over death. After forty days of appearances, He rose to heaven commissioning His disciples to preach the Good News to all nations, to the ends of the Earth. And what is that Good News? God cares and we must repent and love one another.

      What is interesting is that the main Twelve Apostles, who had been cowardly before Our Lord's death, now went out and preached, everyone of which suffered a martyr's death, dying for their faith. (Except for John) Many have followed in their steps, in fact, Catholic and Orthodox Bishops can trace their authority back to the Apostles.

      For more than 2000 years, the Church (Catholic/Orthodox) has existed. That man has corrupted the message over the centuries is true. That people have caused others to die for Christ is true. That Christians made war in the name of God to kill Muslims and Jews is true. That people who have had different views of Christianity were hunted down and killed is true. The Church, due to its corruption was divided further with the creation of Protestant Churches during the Reformation. Both Islam and Christianity believe in Satan and what better victory for him can be achieved if he corrupts both religions and has Christians killing Christians or Muslims killing Muslims

      As for cannibalism, besides giving us a new commandment to love one another, Jesus left us a reminder of his sacrifice. To Catholics, we believe that bread and wine are transformed into the Body and Blood of Christ at every Mass. This is the spiritual food for our souls. It is a recreation of the sacrifice of Christ on Good Friday. When Jesus originally said this is what man must do to feed his soul, Jews could not accept this. They were turned off about how could any man eat Christ's flesh. They did not understand. Spiritually, after the priest repeats the phrases, "This is My Body … This is My Blood," the bread and wine are changed into Christ's body and blood. At communion, we receive in two forms – bread – wine.

      As for idols, statues or crucifixes are not to be worshipped. That, indeed, would make them idols. They are used to help Catholics (icons for Greek Orthodox) focus on Jesus or His Mother or Saints. It should be pointed out that Mary and the Saints, the Angels are not minor gods. They are holy men and women in Paradise who will ask for God's intervention on our behalf. We pray, asking for their help. But, we can always pray to God directly. Mary and the Saints also serve as models of what it is to live a Christian life.

      As for martyrs, Christian martyrs die for their belief in God, that even faced with death, they choose death, rather than renounce their faith in God. They do not try to kill as many unbelievers when they die. They, willingly, go to their death. There are many examples of martyrs from the founding of Christianity up until today. There are the stories of the ancient Martyrs under the Roman Empire, Martyrs of Japan during the 17th century, Vietnam, Korea and China, in Communist Russia. Many Christians in Egypt, Sudan and Iraq are being martyred for their faith as we speak. Since the cross is a symbol of the Christian faith, Radical Islamists have crucified Christians from time to time mocking our religion.

      So this is a response to what you submitted, Jameelah, at least from a Caholic Christian's point of view. Is it my wish that you would accept Christ, yes. Do I expect it, no. Would I live side by side with you in peace, tolerating your faith, yes. Can you say the same???

    • aspacia

      Barbqued pig ribs anyone. Ours are tomorrow. We infidels eat pig, and will eat those who fear pig and worship a pig, hence they fear pigs.

  • tagalog

    While we're on the subject of the War Powers Act and U.S. troops partipating in miltary action that has nothing to do with U.S. national security, WHY THE HELL ARE WE STILL IN BOSNIA AND THE BALKANS?! President Clinton sent our troops to the Balkans in what, 1992, NINETEEN YEARS AGO AND THEY'RE STILL THERE!

    What is wrong with our leaders? Get us out of those places!

    And if we're not going to define victory and fight to obtain that victory, let's also get the hell out Afghanistan and Iraq and stop putting precious American lives at risk.

    Start training for the war with Iraq that our own foolishness has made inevitable.

  • mrbean

    I don't believe that Boehner or the Republicans have the cajones to confront Obama on this by starting the impeachment process when Obama ignores them and just litterly thumbs his nose at them. You would think if Obama were a patriot he would seek Congessional approval for any role in a war, but he is so arrogant, he actually thinks of himself as the Caesar of Washington.

  • cokolollol

    Please help to prevent that another Hitler is borned. Just that. Anythink else doesn't matters. Read this to realize why i'm writting this down: http://www.flockee.com/opinion/adolf-hitler-leade

  • WilliamJamesWard

    It would be funny but the situation is one of life and death and that John Boehner
    and the One are going to play golf this weekend to talk things over, well I just
    see two slices of the same pie deciding what more we can be taken for.
    I could play on words here but I think I will just go outside and pull weeds,
    is some small way America will then be a better place………………..William

  • vladdy

    Things are closing in on Dear Leader. Texas is suiing him over EPA regs. Congree is suing him over Libya. Issa' s holding serious hearings about the Gunrunner case this week — and CBS and ABC are covering it, meaning his teflon may be flaking off. Then, of course, there's the old, unfinished DOJ business like the Black Panthers and orders not to prosecute discrimination cases against whites.

    Paul Ryan schooled him. Netanyahu schooled him in front of the world and is not going back to '67 borders no matter how many tantrums barry throws. Lesser details, like the fact that the last "birth certificate" was declared another forgery by CIA experts. Gas prices. Energy prices. Food prices. Jobs lost 'cos he refuses to renew fishing permits, oil drilling permits, or allow coal plants to remain open.

    I could go on, but…you get the picture. No wonder we're hearing that he's missing meetings, disapearing for periods of tiime and growing skeletal. .

    • Wesley69

      The man must be defeated in 2012. No two ways about it!!

  • Marti

    The speaker is being sucked in by the liar in chief again.
    Does anyone think that proceedings will be started against anyone in this administration?
    The corruption is so deep it will take years to cut just the surface.
    IMHO there are but a handful that are not tainted, I hate to think what our country will be in just a few more years, God help us.

  • Wesley69

    The President is in clear violation of the War Powers Act by refusing to comply with the simple ntification process. Most of Congress would probably grant Obama an extension, but Obama has elevated this to a Constitutional issue. Congress declares war and funds the war efforts. President Obama says this doesn't rise to the level of a war. But with with the stated objective of overthrowing a government and bombing its cities, if this is not war what is?

    The fact that Obama uses a UN resolution as his justification is a slap in the face of every American and Congress. What is superior, the UN Charter of the Constitution? Obama swore an oath to protect and defend THE CONSTITUTION. He can not, on his own, set it aside. That is the action of a tyrant. It is also a slap at US sovereignty. If Obama can invoke the UN Charter fdr this, how long will it be before he would allow the arrest of military officers for crimes against humanity and put them on trial before the World Court.

    What Obama is doing is a grab for power even greater that that done by LBJ and Nixon. He must be stopped. This government is subject to the consent of the governed. Obama is our leader, but we is to answer to WE THE PEOPLE. He is trying to set himself above WE THE PEOPLE. Such is the definition of a tyranny..

    • coyote3

      The war powers act is unconstitutional, in and of itself. Just defund it.

  • scum

    Wow, it's really fun to watch Jameela playing you people. Hilarious…

    • SpiritOf1683

      Scum is your name, being a scumbag is your nature. And it is time Jameela was sent back to Pakistan, permanently. Of course those Jewish-invented vaccines were wasted on the pair of you.

  • maxwell555

    Let there be PEACE on earth and let it begin with us.

    migrating whales
    see the whales

  • flowerknife_us

    The fundamental change Obama promised seems to be one where war was hated and vilified to one of love and growth.

    Six years of screaming at Bush to utter silence as Obama starts 2 new conflicts. There are far too many Weiners in government.

  • RiverFred

    The biggest threat to the US is Iran who soon will have nuclear weapons. The US should make Iran an offer they cannot refuse: dismantle your nuclear facilities or we will do it for you. Unfortunately we have a liberal politically correct muslim in office who is doing his best to destroy America then reshape it into a socialistic marxist country.
    Canada anyone?

  • Jim_C

    And conversely, a website that has advocated for Endless War is now suddenly oh so concerned about a conflict in which we are only tangentially involved.

    That's just precious.

  • coyote3

    As they say, the answer is less important than "how" you get there.