Free Speech Concerns Ahead of Meeting With Muslim Nations on Religious Tolerance


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Reprinted from Fox News.

A looming meeting with Islamic leaders hosted by the State Department has religious scholars and advocacy groups warning that the United States may “play into” the push by some Islamic nations to create new laws to stifle religious criticism and debate.

The meeting on religious tolerance, which is scheduled for mid-December, would involve representatives of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation — a coalition of 56 nations which more or less represents the Muslim world.

Critics describe the get-together — the first in a series — as a Trojan horse for the long-running OIC push for restrictions on speech. They note the track record of nations that want the dialogue, including Egypt, where recent military action against Coptic Christians raised grave concerns about intolerance against religious minorities.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton originally announced the meeting this past July in Turkey, where she co-chaired a talk on religious tolerance with the OIC. The event was billed as a way to foster “respect and empathy and tolerance” among nations. Delegates from up to 30 countries, as well as groups like the European Union, are also invited.

A State Department official told FoxNews.com this week that the meeting is meant to combat intolerance while being “fully consistent with freedom of expression.”

A key worry is that the meeting could become a platform for Islamic governments to push for hate-speech laws which, in their most virulent and fundamentalist form, criminalize what they perceive as blasphemy.

While Clinton has drawn a line in the sand, saying nations should not “criminalize speech,” the upcoming meeting is seen by some as a misstep on a very sensitive issue.

“It’s just an astonishingly bad decision,” said Nina Shea, who sits on the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom and serves as director of the Hudson Institute’s Center for Religious Freedom.

Shea, who joined a group of scholars specializing in religious defamation for an event last week on Capitol Hill hosted by The Federalist Society, warned that the United States is virtually alone among western nations in not having hate-speech laws. She said the Obama administration doesn’t need to delve deeper into religious speech issues with OIC nations, considering their history.

Shea said she doesn’t yet fear the possibility that hate-speech laws are coming to the U.S. any time soon, “but I am concerned the culture is changing on this.”

Jacob Mchangama, director of legal affairs for Denmark’s Center for Political Studies, noted that the U.S. has resisted following Europe with hate-speech laws, but the Obama administration may be willing to “relax” its approach. He noted the administration co-sponsored a resolution with Egypt in 2009 that expressed concern about “negative racial and religious stereotyping,” and said the upcoming December conference lends credibility to the OIC agenda.

The push by Islamic nations, especially Pakistan, for global religious sensitivity on its surface sounds innocuous. But the debate often pits their cause against free speech, and western officials have long complained the nations spearheading the push are keen on shielding Islam specifically from criticism.

In some countries, perceived protections against religious insult are used as license to threaten, bully and attack those who offend, intentionally or not. Most recently, the office of a French satirical newspaper was attacked after it published a Muhammad cartoon. That follows widespread 2006 protests over the publication of cartoons depicting the prophet Muhammad in a Danish newspaper.

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  • mrbean

    All mystics have desired great hordes of slaves. They refer to them as their followers. All organized religions are at best what results from an evasion of reality based on a hope of an afterlife, and a blatant;y dishonest attempt to explain our position as a momentary species in an infinitely old Cosmos.

    • al Kidya

      Some mystics have great hordes of slaves. Islam is the greatest of those mystic ideologies. Muhammad created it that way. His idea was conquer, booty, salves and especially women slaves.

      However, I cannot agree on your total atheistic view on man and the cosmos. Quantum mechanics tells us that "we are here and, we are not here". In other words we may, in fact, be creating the physical universe we were born into. This seems impossible to believe but the physical reality, that matter is sometimes a wave and sometimes a particle is real. So is it not possible that the actual biblical "kingdom of god is within us all" could also be real? I do not, however, subscribe to the belief there are 72 viirgins awaiting for martyrs of Islam.

      • mrbean

        The last thing I pay attention to is regurgitated bromides of Kantianism about anti-reality to justify any organized religion. The concept of a first cause is valid and whether or not it is a being is open. , People like you need to learn that there is an objective reality that is beyond anynody's opinion or beliefs. The task is to discover it. By the way my major field of study was quantum mechanics and quantum electrodynamics.

        • al Kidya

          You have the makings of a very good Marxist.

          • Chiggles

            More like a Randroid.

          • mrbean

            Western civilization was the child and product of reason — via ancient Greece. In all other civilizations, reason has always been the menial servant — the handmaiden — of mysticism. You may observe the results. It is only Western culture that has ever been dominated — imperfectly, incompletely, precariously and at rare intervals — but still, dominated by reason. It is only the excess intellectual baggage of mysticism that drags wester civilization down.

        • intrcptr2

          Yeah, that's fine. Now perhaps you can answer Schroedinger's question, you remember, the one that turned Einstein's (Yes, that other great atheist, oh wait, he believed in such ephemeral silliness, too) hair white.

          Reality has nothing to do with Kant (Applying sacramentalism to all of existenece does not work, Catholic or no). You might do well to accept that "science" has no monopoly on unlocking the secrets of the cosmos.

          And "religious" mystics likewise have no monopoly on attracting hordes of followers, Che.

    • Fred Dawes

      what the rats want above all other things is to stop Americans from understanding what islam is, A Evil Above all things. ISLAM MEANING EVIL, End of story, and start of a war to free us from that evil.

    • SIB

      Irrelevant. The article is discussing freedom of speech and religious tolerance. Your answer show why it is sorely needed.

    • AllahKazam

      if you're so smart, I dare you to say something bad about Islam and then see what happens.

      • Upaces

        No one has to say anything about Islam. You just made our point for all of us.
        As far as you are concerned — There is no room for Freedom of Speech. So? What are you doing in a country that believes in Freedom of Speech?

  • rulieg

    absolutely unbelievable. we must remove these dhimmis from the White House and related governmental buildings in November 2012.

    btw, did you know we had an "ambassador-at-large for international religious freedom"? I didn't either. how many hundreds of thousands of dollars per year do you suppose this sinecure is being paid probably to some former Obama bundler? this job sounds like a great place to start eliminating government waste.

    • al Kidya

      I agree. Obama and Clinton must be thrown out with the rest of the trash. They are the government waste.
      Libya's rebel government is now demanding that we pay the jizya to them for getting rid of gadhafi. I thought they were the ones who wanted to get rid of him during Arab Spring? Anyhow, I wonder how much US taxpayer's money Obama will give them to shut them up, and the next time, and the next time, etc, etc., etc…..?

      • Toa

        I'm thinking that he will be more than glad to shovel a jizya payment to them; it would be just another deliberate shot into the gut of the U.S. economy in the ongoing Cloward-Piven actions, and yet another attempt to consolidate his "friendship" with the Islamists.

    • Fred Dawes

      All part of the one world evil that has been using the muslim to murder us and our way of life over death.

  • http://www.spiritepiales.wordpress.com spiritepiales

    We already have many frightening aspects of sharia in the USA:
    http://spiritepiales.wordpress.com/2011/11/09/loc

    • Upaces

      No More "Patience" with them. Their so called religious belief is a political belief and has no place in the U.S.

      • AllahKazam

        Islam is an ideology, not a religion. a

    • Upaces

      Please take the time to watch this. This is from the Movie Patton — except, they have changed it to Modern Day, Political Correctness; and the Middle East; our society, etc.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU1vL3TsIis&fe

  • Lilypad

    If certain Muslim nations run their government according to Muslim law, we should respect that and not try to change it. Not every country on earth has to share the the concept of religious plurality. At the end of the day, it just isn't any of our business. Live and let live.

    • BS77

      You are so naive………….

    • PatriotX

      “Live and let live”

      We aren’t the ones that you should be preaching this to. Why don’t you give that speech to Islam only in reverse. Not every one believes in Muhammad and not everyone is comfortable with beheading those who don’t.

      “Live and let live” it sure is beautiful when EVERYONE wants to abide by it.

      ” At the end of the day, it just isn’t any of our business.”

      I don’t know if you are aware of this but their are certain people who have been making this OUR buisiness.

      285 Marines killed in Beirut 1983

      Achille Laureal

      Khobar Tower bombing

      TWA Hijacking in 84

      1976 Olympics Massacre in Munich

      Pan Am flight 103

      9-11 Attacks

      The numerous attempts or since 9-11 then to inflict mass casualites on civilians

      The mindless slaughter of Christians in every country that’s affected by “Arab Spring”, (more like “Islamic Halloween”).

      The constant push to “EXTERMINATE ALL JEWS”, that’s written in the Qu’ran and not to mention, taught to every kid that’s old enough to start learning and enforced with an iron fist for those who even think of wandering from this hatred.

      You know, you may think it isn’t any our buisness but I don’t think the millions of Jewish citizens in our country would agree with you.

      • Herman Caintonette

        And thou wilt find them [the Jews] the greediest of mankind….[Surah 11, v. 96]

        It really isn't our business, but the Zionists want us to fight their wars for them. I say, if you care so much, buy Israel Bonds, but leave our Treasury and troops alone!

        • Raymond in DC

          Rubbish. When has Israel *ever* asked the US to fight a war for them? All they say is "provide us with the means to defend ourselves". On the other hand, the US has military agreements with over 70 countries, and has fought wars for Kuwait (Muslim), Bosnia (Muslim) and Kossovo (Muslim), and expended enormous blood and treasure in Afghanistan (Muslim) and Iraq (Muslim). None were for Israel's benefit.

          When Israel presented the US with evidence that Syria – in cooperation with Iran and North Korea – was building a reactor to generate plutonium, they suggested the US deal with it since it had implications extending beyond Israel. The US declined, so Israel took it out.

          And, for your information, Egypt, the Palestinians, Jordan, Turkey and Lebanon get far more from our Treasury annually than does Israel.

          • Herman Caintonette

            PNAC.

        • intrcptr2

          So now you're Muslim?

          Makes sense…

          "…Zionists want us to fight their wars for them."
          Um, no. That's why Bush I had to argue the IDF into sitting on its hands during Desert Storm. And why they build their own tanks, ships, planes, rifles, etc.

          But, as mentioned, your attachment to the recitation makes so many other things so much clearer now.

          • Herman Caintonette

            Your imagination is exceeded only by your capacity for self-delusion.

          • intrcptr2

            So what of your so-called intellect? You're the one quoting from the Quran, not me.

            Care to try crossing swords again, genius?

        • Guest

          "First They Came for the Jews"
          By Pastor Niemoller

          First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

          Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.

          Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

          Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.

          • AllahKazam

            problem is, they never did come for the communists and trade unionists

          • intrcptr2

            They who, smart guy?

        • Western Canadian

          More inane rubbish from the mulsim wannabe…. Jew haters of a feather, flock together.

        • PatriotX

          Herman do you really believe in that garbage or do you just do this to provoke alot aggravation? Even your average idiot isn’t this dense.

        • Ted

          You really are an A-hole

      • intrcptr2

        Christians, or even atheists, either…

      • AllahKazam

        "Live and let live" what a knucklehead! I can hardly believe I read that.

    • al Kidya

      I could care less if an Islamic theocracy rules with an iron fist in their own lands. What bothers me is when they start imposing their laws on ours. They are doing that now. Is that right? Can they be allowed to suppress our freedom of speech just because they live here? NOT! Not in my time anyhow. They can throw me in jail or behead me but they will not take away my rights, my freedoms my liberties. BTW I will take a few of them with me before i go.

    • Big Irish

      "respect that" ???….Lily take a trip to saudi arabia – turkey – yemen – somolia – etc etc…and give your little flowery speech there….and after that take your head out of the sand…

    • intrcptr2

      Are you truly that dense?!

      It is less a question of meddling in some nation's internal politics, which itself is an open question considering both internaional law and basic morality (female circumcision and slavery spring to mind), than noticing that such double-talk is immoral and short-sighted; the end of Islamic jurisprudence is nothing but enforcing, in the most brutal of manners, religious uniformity.

      This is a really imaginative bumper sticker for your car; https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sugexp=pp
      (Irony of ironies that it starts with the crescent), but it is deplorable Muslim theology and praxis.

    • Fred Dawes

      its part of the plan of the one world guys who hate freedoms

    • Stuart Parsons

      Oh my my !!!! Lilypad, might I suggest you read the Quran, Study the sunnah and Sharia and read the biographies of Muhammad by Ishaq, Tabari and Ibn Kathir. Would you have said the same thing about Germany in the 1930s and the North Korea of today ???? Don't you realise that the 56 nations of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation, persecute their non-Muslim citizens. In many of these Muslim countries, non-Muslims are attacked killed and raped. Their home, businesses and places of worship are attacked and destroyed.

    • steven l

      Islamists will live and not let you live.

  • PatriotX

    OIC-As you can imagine this organization comes with the etched in concrete philosphy, of one way cooperation and one way tolerance, there you have it “ISLAM”.

    So in light of this you can pretty much guess how this conference is going to play out. All of the socialist twits in our country, that’s so intent on selling it out to these lunatics hiding behind friendly acronyms, like OIC, will attend the meeting to sell us out along with all of our rights to free speech that so many have bled and died for. Our servicemembers are continuing to bleed and die this very minute for those rights. They won’t do it all in one meeting they will gradually introduce the idea of “ISLAM UNTOUCHABLE” to those foolish enough to flirt with the idea. Once again, our liberal-progressives along with our socialist nut jobs are taking another step in opening the gateway towards our destruction. I often do not know who’s worse them or the actual Islamists with their agenda of, “ME WANT TO RULE THE WORLD AND SILENCE ALL OTHERS WHO OPPOSE”, (through either violence, threat of violence or legalism in the case of the U.S.)

    “Jacob Mchangama, director of legal affairs for Denmark’s Center for Political Studies, noted that the U.S. has resisted following Europe with hate-speech laws, but the Obama administration may be willing to “relax” its approach. He noted the administration co-sponsored a resolution with Egypt in 2009 that expressed concern about “negative racial and religious stereotyping,” and said the upcoming December conference lends credibility to the OIC agenda.”

    Really? What a shock. Now, let’s take a good look at how Denmark, Sweeden and Norway wound up as a result of appeasing to these goons. Nuff said.

    “But the debate often pits their cause against free speech, and western officials have long complained the nations spearheading the push are keen on shielding Islam specifically from criticism.”

    You know, now this is going to sound crazy, but here it goes. If they really want to solve this whole issue with those who criticize Islam, why not stop doing the things that warrant criticism?

    Restricting free speech

    Executing those who teach Christianity

    Teaching generations of children hatred towards Jews, Christians, Hinduists….etc

    Flying planes into buildings

    Shooting up soldiers while they are shopping on military bases

    Frivalous law suits, like the one against a Catholic University for having crosses

    Building a mosque after the slaughter of thousands of Americans (to include other Muslims by the way) right next to the place where it happened

    Strapping on suicide vests and killing thousands of innocent people every year and while doing it preaching to others of, “acceptance and religious tolerance”

    Now these are only a few, but I will bet anything that if they would quit doing some of those things, alot of the criticism would stop. That’s the funny thing about people in the free world, you know. We are kind of like, “give and take”. We find it easier to respect things that respect or consider the feelings of others I know, call it “crazy”.

    I’m sure most of you probably heard of an “unholy alliance”, I’m just not sure that the socialist knotheads running the PC drama show in our country, have ever heard of it or maybe they just don’t see the pros and cons of it. You see, in an “unholy alliance”, such as the left leaning traitors and socialist wackos in our nation and the Islamists that are trying to destroy the United States (mutual interests), once the socialists/leftists have outlived their purpose they are done away with and discarded like the trash that they are.

    We, ladies and gentlemen as a nation are one of the last obstacles in their way. We need to keep it that way and open the eyes of those still asleep in this nation and all others.

    • Fred Dawes

      and our government that is helping islam to kill us.

  • Dispozadaburka

    Islam, pure Luciferian Doctrine.
    Guess who funded Hitler?
    Who kissed the Saudi King's hand?

  • SEAMYSTIC

    Warriors of God's Light, remember your ancient Oath to defend the Children of the Light, on this minor rock pile in this corner of the Universe. Islam must be destroyed through Total War.

    SEAMYSTIC, ARCHANGEL MICHAEL & ARMAGEDDON

  • pierce

    Having seen this President in action for 3 years anything is possible, and probably is definite (cast in stone),(take it to the bank).

  • ObamaYoMoma

    The meeting on religious tolerance, which is scheduled for mid-December, would involve representatives of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation — a coalition of 56 nations which more or less represents the Muslim world.

    This is very alarming, as Islam evolved in Islamic civilization and although it calls itself a faith-based religion, by Western standards and indeed by all other standards, Islam is anything but a faith-based religion.

    For instance, the word Islam in Arabic means “submission” and the word Muslim in Arabic means “one who submits,” as each and every Muslim is required to totally, completely, and unconditionally submit to the will of Allah, in stark contrast to faith-based religions that evolved outside of Islamic civilization.

    Indeed, adherents of faith-based religions as opposed to Islam are not required to submit totally, completely, and unconditionally to the will of Allah or anyone else for that matter. They are also perfectly free to question and challenge the texts and tenets of their respective religion and to also freely leave their respective religion or convert to another religion altogether if they so desire. Whereas in Islam, on the other hand, because the freedom of conscience is forbidden, those same actions, blasphemy in the first case and apostasy in the second, are capital offenses.

    Hence, what true faith-based religions likewise punishes blasphemy and apostasy under the pain of death? The answer, of course, is none of them. Irrefutably proving that Islam is not a faith-based religion, at least not in the same way we define faith-based religions in the West.

    Moreover, per the sixth and most important pillar of Islam, jihad or holy fighting in the cause of Allah against non-Muslim unbelievers to make Islam supreme is an obligatory duty for EVERY MUSLIM. Indeed, the sixth and most important pillar of Islam doesn't make it an obligatory duty only for so-called extremist Muslims to fight jihad in the cause of Allah and the sixth and most important pillar of Islam doesn't make it an obligatory duty only for so-called radical Muslims to fight jihad in the cause of Allah, while at the same time giving an exemption and free pass for so-called moderate Muslims to fight jihad in the cause of Allah. Instead, the sixth and most important pillar of Islam makes it an obligatory duty for ALL MUSLIMS to fight jihad in the cause of Allah against non-Muslim unbelievers to make Islam supreme. No exceptions.

    Therefore, ALL MAINSTREAM ORTHODOX MUSLIMS are jihadists. A few of them are violent jihadists, while most of them are non-violent stealth and deceptive jihadists, and the few that are not jihadists are not Muslims at all, but instead blasphemous apostates that per the dictates of Islam should be executed.

    Furthermore, in Islam Sharia (Islamic law), which is the will of Allah, because it is considered to be divine and therefore perfectly just, supersedes all manmade laws. Indeed, in country after country and anywhere and everywhere mass Muslim immigration is occurring in the world today, just like clockwork the vast overwhelming majority of Muslim immigrants flat out refuse to assimilate and integrate and instead form segregated Muslim enclaves that in time morph into Muslim no-go zones ruled by Sharia as fifth columns and in direct contravention to the laws of the states in which they reside. Therefore, Muslims obviously never ever migrate to the West or anywhere else for that matter to assimilate and integrate, but instead to eventually subjugate and dominate via the imposition of Sharia for the purpose of demographic conquest to make Islam supreme.

    Additionally, Sharia (Islamic law) governs all aspects of Muslims' lives from foreign policy and domestic policy, to all aspects of personal life even governing the way that Muslims must all use the bathroom. Hence, what faith-based religions similarly are all encompassing in that they govern and control all aspects of life? The answer, of course, again is none of them. Only Islam does, further setting it apart from faith-based religions.

    Thus, not only is Islam not a faith-based religion in the same sense that faith-based religions are understood to be in the West, which means that in America Islam isn't protected by the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, but Islam is also totally incompatible with all other adherents of faith-based religions as well, as per the sixth and most important pillar of Islam, ALL MAINSTREAM ORTHODOX MUSLIMS are obligated to fight jihad in the cause of Allah against non-Muslim unbelievers to make Islam supreme. Which not only further sets Islam apart from faith-based religions, but also makes it completely incompatible with all other adherents of faith-based religions including atheists and agnostics.

    Hence, since Islam is not really a faith-based religion, at least in the same sense the West defines faith-based religion, and because Islam is completely incompatible with all other non-Muslim unbelievers, not only should we not be holding meetings on religion with Muslims, but we also should be instead abolishing Islam and banning and reversing mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage ASAP.

    • AllahKazam

      Islam is an ideology and not a religion.

      • ObamaYoMoma

        Amen! It is a totalitarian ideology similar to Communism more than it is anything else. As like Communism, Islam seeks world domination, and the end result of Islam just like Communism is totalitarianism and lots and lots of misery.

  • randy

    Did not the christians bring thier religion to north america. The natives who resisted were run over and the few that were left were rounded up and put on worthless pieces of land.

    • mrbean

      Oh my… another multiculturalist babbles his nonsense. As many as 40 sites scattered around America contain human bones that show distinctive evidence of having been butchered and cooked – signs consistent with cannibalism by native Americans. Until now, however, most archaeologists have shied away from conceding the evidence proves cannibalism – favoring explanations such as ritual burial or the execution of people believed to be witches.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      Hey moonbat your adherence to moral relativism has made you mentally incompetent, as those Indians you are insincerely pretending to represent had been conquering and reconquering each other for millenia long before the arrival of the first settlers from the New World. In addition, the settlers from the New World didn't in turn conquer the new world to make Christianity or any other religion for that matter supreme. Instead, they conquered the Indians to make way for further settlement. Indeed, it is how the entire world evolved. The strong survive and the meek are subdued.

      Nevertheless, Islam is not a faith-based religion. It's a supremacist theo-political totalitarian ideology that masquerades as being a faith-based religion to dupe gullible useful idiots like you and the societies it intends to subjugate into a very draconian form of Islamic totalitarianism via the imposition of Sharia to make Islam supreme. Hence, like a loon stop trying to morally equate Islam with faith-based religions like the many versions of Christianity, as Islam is far closer to being a totalitarian ideology like Communism than it is to be a faith-based religion. As Islam just like Communism seeks world domination, and the end result of Islam, exactly like Communism, is totalitarianism and lots and lots of misery. Indeed, take a look at the Islamic world, it's nothing but a conglomeration of totalitarian hellholes and all of them are failed states. In other words, go buy a clue!

      • Herman Caintonette

        See e.g., the Mystic Massacre. When Indian tribes fought at all, it was on the level of skirmishes. Land ownership was a concept foreign to First Nations tribes.

        Zionism is "a supremacist theo-political totalitarian ideology that masquerades as being a faith-based religion to dupe gullible useful idiots like you."

        • Western Canadian

          Your lack of knowledge of military history, indian or otherwise is rather annoying, which is your probable intent. ‘fought at all’?? fought quite often, actually. And quite brutally.

          To be expected from someone who lies about reading the revered chinese works on warfare.

          • mrbean

            Hermaphro Castrati is not the sharpest knife in the drawer for sure. His posts are border on the absurb.

    • intrcptr2

      Not really.

      If you'd care to notice the Christians who landed here (Puritans, Quakers) actually sought to learn from the locals and to live with them. It was other, less observant Europeans (And Americans), who later chose to defraud the Indians. Let us not quibble over the Catholic Spanish and Portuguese.

      And anyway, what is your point? Are you suggesting that such things are payback? Or are you admitting that the fears of Islam doing this are accurate?

    • Fred Dawes

      My grand mother was a north American Native and she loved that Religion, and hated the enemies Of God, like muslims.

    • AllahKazam

      Muslim Imperialism has wiped more cultures off the map than anyone, and the real problem is, they're still at it right now.

    • Upaces

      Ooooo, Randy, that was horrible, wasn't it.! I hated hearing that when I was a child.
      No matter how you look at it…it was sinister and wrong, wrong, wrong.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    One thing the article failed to mention as usual is the fact that every current member state of the OIC violently oppresses and systematically persecutes when not outright slaughtering altogether Christians and all other non-Muslims living in their respective states as second-class dhimmi citizens. Hence, why doesn't the West counter the OIC by proposing that the member states of the OIC cease immediately the practice of violently oppressing and systematically persecuting Christians and all other non-Muslims currently living inside their respective states as second-class dhimmi citizens and insist that they be given equal rights and freedoms with the Muslims citizens.

    • Herman Caintonette

      When the rest of us lose our dhimmitude here in America, we might have the moral high ground as a nation.

      • Western Canadian

        Yet more irrational and ignorance based blather, from an uneducated and barely intelligent lout.

      • Ted

        I've said it before and I'll say it again Herman, you really are an A-hole!

  • myohmy

    So a few years ago our government decided to fund some art work through the Nat. Endowment for the Arts, and we got the wonderful painting of a jar of piss with a upside down crucifix stuck in it. And that was just hunkydorrie and we were told to shut up and take it. So how about someone create a piece of art by drawing a jar of piss with a quran and mohammed submerged in it? Would that be art too? Does our government know the difference between art and blasphemy? Surely Hillary will straighten all this out for us. Surely she's tell the U.N. that a painting of a jar of piss with a quran in it is really art.. right? Come on Hillary I can't wait for you to tell the U.N muslims what you told us about what's art and what's not. Go Hillary.. go tell me all about it. Better yet, why don't you just show a picture like that at the U.N. and explain to them just how dumb they are?

  • Cap'n Krunch

    Ever notice how clowns like Herman never respond to the issue, but raise a side issue to deflect the thinking?

  • Fred Dawes

    We as a nation must at some point stand up and say no to evil and remove our enemies of that ideal of Liberty/Rhts of a free people not enslaved by moneys of islam, we Must fight back against that evil or become a monkey nation, like a islam and its evil nations.

    • Upaces

      Great Post, Fred!

  • Upaces

    More of a ploy coming straight out of the WH.
    They need to "live DOWN" their reputations and don't bring down freedom of speech for us.
    We have every reason to, really, hate them.
    Remember 9/11, Pentagon; Underwear Bomber and Ft. Hood!!!
    They need to shut their mouths!!!

    • Fred Dawes

      Long live the ideals not the government of the great nation called (USA ) freedom and Liberty over evil.
      We must become the troopers in this coming fight for life over death.

  • steven l

    “negative racial and religious stereotyping,” are included into Islam. Therefore Islam should not be allowed in this country.

    • Fred Dawes

      YOU ARE SO RIGHT, THANK YOU

    • AllahKazam

      "negative racial and religious stereotyping" boo hoo hoo. Can you believe it?

    • Upaces

      Steven, I will never understand why in the world any Muslims were allowed in OUR Country after 9/11?
      What were they thinking?

  • George Jochnowiitz

    Is there enough free speech to allow this story to come out of the closet? Was Arafat gay?
    http://www.israeltoday.co.il/News/tabid/178/nid/2

  • randy

    Christianity and the pediphile catholic church should be banned from canada with all the harm done to the native kids in the residential schools. Maybe if the U.S was not invading middle east countries, the world would be a better place. Obamas pulling out the troops of bushes war is a good start.

    • Cap'n Krunch

      Then close every Canadian public school that has employed a pedophile, and close education as an institution. Such idiocy follows your hateful line of propaganda.

    • Upaces

      Randy, that is like "throwing the baby out with the bath." Not all Christians or Catholic Clergy are pedophiles. Punish the ones are guilty — not the entire religion or group.

    • oldtimer

      Muslims marry children as young as 11yrs. that makes them pedofiles.

  • Upaces

    Randy, not just Canada but the U.S. and any other country that does that and including the Muslims that hung the 6 yr old girl upside down today and slit her throat because she didn't clean the house right.

  • Upaces

    Steven, if you have answer for this, please share it. IF Islam is so great — why are the Muslims running to America (those that have families and live here peacefully leaving people here in my little town in Texas alone).

    IF they loved their culture and religion, it seems to be they'd remain in their own country and fight for peace! Mexicans migrating here from Mexico do the same thing. None of these two populations seem to want to "straighten out their own countries" — and yet they'll come to America to tell us how to run ours.

    Am I making sense?

    • voted against carter

      It's called an invasion.

  • StephenD

    Since it is now conceivable for a W.H. State Department Appointee to "Treaty" away our American Civil Rights, we have a duty to oppose such enemies of the USA. Hillary, regardless of title, has no authority to dilute my “Inalienable Rights” which include free speech. If everything one said was not offensive to someone you wouldn't need the first amendment. It is there so that we are protected when we disagree. Islam, despite their own opinion of superiority, is subject to the same human rights and will either survive true scrutiny or die a natural death from exposure as it should.

  • sod

    OK, let's give them a false impression by 'playing' with them, just like the Fed plays with the immigration law without enforcing it!

  • LindaRivera

    Non-Muslim nations must form an 'Organization of Non-Muslims' and fast, before it is forever too late. Islam intends to conquer the world. And they have no mercy on innocents. Under cruel Islamic sharia law, females are hated and treated as inferior. Defenseless non-Muslims have no human rights.

  • LindaRivera

    To Upaces,

    They come to CONQUER.

    • Upaces

      LindaR., I know. Let me re-phrase that. I NOW know and have come to that realization about 2 years ago. I could bonk my own self on the head for not understanding COMPLETELY how realllly evil they are.

      I believe your four words completely cover the entire subject matter of Islam!!!

  • http://www.genussallee.at Hannes L.

    Don't let the islam conquer the western world.
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  • Upaces

    "being TOLERANT'" is one thing — Changing OUR COUNTRY is another.
    We will NOT tolerate Sharia Law!

  • Upaces

    No More "Patience" with them. Their so called religious belief is a political belief and has no place in the U.S.

  • AllahKazam

    It is PATHETIC for them to whine about disrespect when they are exterminating people as we speak. Or maybe just evil and cunning.

  • Upaces

    Who is "they"?