If the UN Recognizes a Palestinian State


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Meanwhile, President Obama underestimates inherent difficulties in the very proposal of a Palestinian state. One of the most significant problems is that many Islamic leaders adhere to Sharia law and do not abide by democratic systems that would constrain their power. Yasser Arafat exemplified this when he was in authority over Palestinian Arabs. Arafat’s leadership placed his people in poverty, while he diverted vast sums given to them for his own use, blaming Israel for the squalor he promoted in the areas he controlled. No effort was made to better the Arab people; rather, constant efforts took the form of undermining Israel’s statehood. This situation is hardly conducive to the establishment of a peaceful nation alongside Israel.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, in his recent address to both Houses of Congress, observed that, in order to keep the Palestinian Arabs in a state of rage and enmity toward Israel, the Arab leaders brainwash their people from infancy into believing they are enslaved by the Jews:

“[O]ur conflict has never been about the establishment of a Palestinian state; it’s always been about the existence of the Jewish state. This is what this conflict is about….In recent years; the Palestinians twice refused generous offers by Israeli prime ministers to establish a Palestinian state on virtually all the territory won by Israel in the Six Day War. They were simply unwilling to end the conflict.  And I regret to say this: They continue to educate their children to hate. They continue to name public squares after terrorists. And worst of all, they continue to perpetuate the fantasy that Israel will one day be flooded by the descendants of Palestinian refugees. My friends, this must come to an end.”

Palestinians and their leaders are still the PLO, not Palestine. They do not seek statehood. Otherwise, peace accords would have been accomplished decades-ago. A two-state territory won’t end existing violence; hatred won’t be terminated by tyrant leaders who need people worked into frenzied hatred against Israel. Chaos will never subside under a Palestinian state, but increase by legitimizing terror that will be the essence of that state.

The only road forward to peace is carrying out a true negotiation between the parties. In this, the Arab side will have to agree to accept conditions of demilitarization and other constraints that make it clear that they will not be able to continue in a warlike status with Israel. This kind of agreement will be precluded if the Obama Administration fails to block statehood for Palestinian Arabs imposed by the U.N. The result will be the unraveling of all prior agreements accepted by Israel and the latter’s unilateral imposition through military action of the conditions for Israel’s security — an advent that will return the region to the conditions of all out war that characterized the early establishment of Israel.

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  • John

    Absurd. A weak Palestinian state is no threat to Israel. Israel does not want peace it wants the land. It is time for us to stop enabling Israel to maintain the illegal occupation. The US bare the costs for its support of the criminal regime in TA. Israel should return to its legal borders and end its aggression against tits neighbors.

    • Denis MacEoin

      Israeli aggression? You must be living in another universe. 1948: Arabs invade Israel. 1967: Arab states place military on Israeli borders, preparing for war and war breaks out. 1973 Arabs attack Israel on the holiest day in the Jewish calendar. 2000 Yasir Arafat turns down the most generous offer in diplomatic history, then launches the first intifada. Over the years, wave after wave of terrorist attacks on Israel. The Hamas Charter, the PLO Constoitution, and the Hizbullah Risala maftuha all call for violent jihad against Israel. And you talk of 'Israeli aggression'. Read something. Anything. Just get your facts straight. This is too important a debate to be carried out through wild supposition and fantasy.

      • swag

        This may be true but you have to see this from their view point. Israel is on the land that Palistinians had long before common era. They are just trying to get rid of the intruders in the only way they know how.. violence. There is faults on both sides but lets be realistic here, Palestinians arent considered a nation right now.

    • MixMChess

      "Israel does not want peace it wants the land."

      This is absurd considered Israel constantly gives up land for peace with the Palestinians. Did you forget Gaza in 2005? Did you forget that Israel has already agreed to turn over parts of Israel and dismantle more W. Bank settlements as part of a final negotiation?

      "It is time for us to stop enabling Israel to maintain the illegal occupation."

      What illegal occupation? Israel completely withdrew from Gaza in 2005 and over 98% of the W. Bank is autonomously governed by the Palestinian Authority.

      "The US bare the costs for its support of the criminal regime in TA."

      The US bares the costs of supporting Arab/Islamic dictatorships. Israel is an asset not a liability. In fact US support for Israel returns massive dividends in the form of medical advances, technology, and military sciences.

      "Israel should return to its legal borders and end its aggression against tits neighbors."

      Its obvious you have no clue what you are talking about. Recall, it was the Arabs who have always shown aggression: 1948, 1967, 1973, 1982, 1988, 2000, 2006, 2009… Heck, Hamas still constantly lobs missiles at Israeli children and recently Syrians tried to invade Israel in the north. Its time the Arab states end aggression against Israel and accept Israel's legal borders and right to exist.

    • ziontruth

      "Israel does not want peace it wants the land."

      Israel has been willing to trade land for peace in the past, but now that it seems even the best result is crumbling before our eyes (Egypt), Israeli Jews have increasingly lost enthusiasm for that formula. We will not give away lands only to have them used as bases against us. We will keep those lands, which after all are ours by right, no matter what the Arab imperialist propagandists say.

      "It is time for us to stop enabling Israel … The US bare the costs…"

      It is your right to do as you wish with your own money. However:

      "Israel should return to its legal borders…"

      Intervening in a sovereign nation-state's affairs is outside your rights. Do not attempt to appease the Muslim imperialists on Israel's expense.

    • Phil

      Typical loudmouth low intelligent liberal and islam lover.Glory be to Isreal forever.

      • Danny

        Ahh this must be the Israeli high intelligence argument back, bravo give yourself a round of applause for such a well argued contribution! moron!

  • WilliamJamesWard

    There will never be a peace accord derived from honest negotiations, that is what
    is real, that is the ongoing and end fact, Palestinians are there to wear down the
    Israeli people and government in continual aggression. Islamists who live far
    from Israel preach hatred of the Jewish Nation, actively support Palestinian
    terrorists and have no intent of creating a Palestinian state. All of the Palestinians
    will go back to being Jordanian, Egyptian, Syrian, Lebaneese and assorted
    rats from hell. This game has been going on my entire life and before I leave
    this world I would like for Israel to live out Netanyahou's words, "enough is enough".
    All of the powers in the Universe know we have had enough of Islamist
    destruction and perfidity. They may buy off the corrupt politicians of every
    member of the UN and their governments but for right thinking people, the
    insanity must end, Israel should expand it's borders to the Biblical lands
    given to Abraham and that should be "Enough"………………………William

  • tessee

    Biblical prophecy is being played out in Israel. Sadly leading this charge is the US president obama who knows exactly what the ramifications will be for the jewish people. We must pray for Israel and for the rest of the free world.

    • Asher

      Indeed biblical prophecy is being fulfilled, read Daniel and Revelation. Israel has signed peace treaties, and given up concessions and land before, but it will never be enough for the Radicals who don't want Israel to exist. The Lord is watching Israel, and his mighty hand will deliver them from their enemies…Its America I'm worried about, because of Obama's policies toward Israel…I will bless those who bless thee and curse those who curse thee….God's word is clear about anti-semetism and anyone who threatens Israel. Look at the disasters that have magnified and particularly in the United States…..It seems man never learns from History but keeps making the same mistakes!

  • Monte

    If the UN recognizes the palestinian state i think it would be quite ironic. If i recall, the state of israel came from a democratic decision from the UN, a decision that the local arab nation tried to vote against but the western nations won based on majority rule; thus israel was created against the wishes of those who would be most effected by that decision. Now, through that same method, democracy of the world may bring about the creation of a palestinian state against the wishes of israel, the one who would be the most effected by that decision.

    only thing that would make the whole thing come full circle is if Israel refuses to respect the decision of the UN and, like the arabs did in 1948, start a war to fight against the decision. How israel handles such a decision handed down by the UN could become a true test of character for them.

    • ziontruth

      "…a decision that the local arab nation tried to vote against…"

      There's no such thing as a "local Arab nation." There is only one Arab nation, living well beyond its indigenous territory (the Arabian Peninsula) and having the gall to complain when the indigenous Palestinian nation, the Jewish nation and none other, exercises its right to inhabit its one and only homeland in the world.

      We Jews are the Palestinians; they, the Arabs, are the settlers here. That is the truth.

  • WilliamJamesWard

    There's a troll in the house………………………………William,

  • Phil

    If the palestinians really wanted land and peace,and the rest of the arabs were so concerned for their palestinian brothers,(which their not) they could give the palestinians the section of Jerusalem they now hold along with some land in the southern part of lebanon and land in the western part of jordan.But that will never happen because its all about hatred,hatred and destruction for the Jews.I will never support the arabs,but i will always support Isreal.

  • Phil

    Actually i stand corrected.They can give them the Golan Heights,and the land west of the 36 degree mark and north of the 32 degree mark,or longitude/latitude in Jordan.That would still give the palestinians a very good sized area , plus still have access to the Holy City of Jerusalem.And without anymore fighting and bloodshed.But as i said,thats not what its about.Their sadistic agenda is to wipe out Isreal completely.The muslims talk about the U.S as the great satan and Isreal as the little satan.Maybe they should take a close look in the mirror.

  • GreySky

    If it is ever reached, the current and any other artificial “peace agreement” will be illegitimate before it is ever signed because (1) all people living in Palestine regardless of religion, race, origin, etc. (hereinafter “All People of Palestine”) were never given a choice on how they want their land to be governed, and (2) all contracts signed under duress are null and void.
    The biggest problem in Palestine is that the Zionist regime never offered a choice to All People of Palestine on how they want to govern their land because the Zionist regime cannot exist as a democratic entity. If there was ever any democratic process in Palestine, Zionists would have been outvoted and the Zionist regime would have never existed. That is why the Zionist regime is the occupier because it does not offer choice (i.e. democracy), but instead imposes its regime (i.e. occupies). Imagine if Russians would simply occupy a town in the U.S. where they are in significant numbers and attempt to create a Russian state there without giving the rest of the Americans living there a choice. Imagine then if they would try to institute a “peace agreement” that would attempt to legitimize their occupation. The “peace agreement” would logically and legally be illegitimate because the Americans were not given a choice.

    Under all countries’ laws, any contract is null and void if it is signed under duress. The current Palestine “peace agreement” process reminds me of The Godfather movie where the mafia boss (i.e. the Zionist regime) made a guy “an offer he could not refuse” by placing a gun (i.e. Zionist conventional and nuclear arsenal) to his head and making him sign the contract. Like the mafia boss’ offer, any “peace agreement” other than the choice for All People of Palestine is a crime, and the contract is legally null and void.

    The bottom line is that All People of Palestine never wanted to divide their land into artificial two states the way the occupation and this “peace agreement” attempt to divide it. From the beginning of the Zionist regime to its unavoidable end, All People of Palestine and the region never wanted the Zionist regime and they do not want it even more after all the atrocities the Zionist regime committed. I just cannot believe how the Zionist regime can be so ignorant to think that this or any other “peace agreement” that does not allow people to choose how they want to be governed will last and ensure its people’s survival. The Zionist regime fails to realize that no matter if it succeeds in muscling this “peace agreement” by unspeakable historic coercion tens of millions of moral people around the world will oppose it until it is corrected, and until justice and free choice prevail. Also, ever increasing number of Jewish people are realizing that Zionism is becoming a destructive force for them and are leading the global resistance to it.

    P.S. feel free to copy this comment, email it to other bloggers, and repost it on other blogs, newspaper websites, Facebook, Twitter, and other social networking websites, and include it in any correspondence/lobbying with senators, state representatives and any other public officials so the public learns the truth

    • MixMChess

      "If it is ever reached, the current and any other artificial “peace agreement” will be illegitimate before it is ever signed because (1) all people living in Palestine regardless of religion, race, origin, etc. (hereinafter “All People of Palestine”) were never given a choice on how they want their land to be governed, and (2) all contracts signed under duress are null and void."

      You are a LIAR:

      (1) The Arabs were given countless choices for peace with Israel starting in 1947. Each time the Arabs chose a racist war of extermination rather than Peace. This is a hard FACT

      (2), Contract law has nothing to do with international affairs, but nice try at "inventing" international law. Arab states have never recognized Israel, even Jordan only signed a peace with Israel, but does not recognize its right to exist. Israel came to existence through legal jus cogens under International Law and was subsequently recognized by the UN. There are no other international "laws" that govern Israel's existence.

      "The biggest problem in Palestine is that the Zionist regime never offered a choice to All People of Palestine on how they want to govern their land because the Zionist regime cannot exist as a democratic entity."

      This is sheer nonsense, considering Israel has given the Arabs countless opportunities for peace. Besides, you are forgetting that Israel has allowed the Palestinians to GOVERN THEMSELVES! The W. Bank and Gaza are not governed by Israel, and Israel has never extended its laws to those territories, they are governed by the P.A. and Hamas respectively. Recall, the Gazans voted in the Hamas terrorist organization (whose charter calls for the death of worldwide Jewry) as its government in 2006.

      "If there was ever any democratic process in Palestine, Zionists would have been outvoted and the Zionist regime would have never existed."

      LOL. Over 75% of Palestinians and Israelis don't want a one-state solution, according to recent polls. You speak of tyranny by the majority, so that you can place Arab interests far above those of Jewish interests, to drown-out and actively oppress Jewish interests, "just like the oppression by tyrants and despots."

      "Under all countries’ laws, any contract is null and void if it is signed under duress."

      Huh? You just "invented" an international law. The creation of states and statecraft under International law has nothing to do with contract law. Nice try tough…

      "The bottom line is that All People of Palestine never wanted to divide their land into artificial two states the way the occupation and this “peace agreement” attempt to divide it."

      Um, the Jews wanted to divide the land and live in peace. And many Arabs did too, but the surrounding Arab states (which are not people of the holy land) voted against it. I love how you ignore any Jewish interests and only care about the Arab interests. Yea, that's some "real democracy" (sarcasm).

  • Drewinna

    We Americans speak of freedoms, tolerance, and diversity, yet our government makes the Zionist occupation possible against our will, with our tax money, and making us accomplices in constant murders that the Zionist regime is committing including murders of our own American citizens (search on youtube for “Rachel Corrie” video of Zionist bulldozer crushing her to death). I am ashamed as an American that our politicians are controlled by the Zionist regime to such a terrifying extent. Tens of senators, state representatives, and ambassadors to foreign countries are Jewish. While I recognize that many are honest and against the Zionist regime, I am concerned about the fair representation of our will at the highest levels of our government. Just look on Wikipedia for “List of Jewish American politicians,” and visit prince.org/msg/105/271100 to discover that all five Federal Reserve chairmen/chairwomen are Jewish, and almost all (9 out of 12) regional Fed chairmen/chairwomen are also Jewish. I never like to generalize, but Jews comprise only 2% of our population and they have so much power in the government and almost absolute power over our money supply and economic polices. I am just not comfortable that all Americans are being represented properly especially not on the Palestine occupation issue that I know most people do not support judging by the comments against the Zionist regime I hear everywhere. Urge your state representatives and senators to immediately stop any remaining support for the Zionist regime. Much of the support already stopped because of the increasing pressure on this issue, but we Americans need to completely distance ourselves from this oppressive regime and stop being accomplices in its murders! The world is also reacting. Who would want to be remembered in history as an accomplice to ruthless occupation? Many countries, companies, and countless moral individuals have already successfully implemented no relations with the Zionist government and others are implementing the same policy as we speak. Not travel there, not buy anything from it, not trade with it, not communicate with it, etc. Also do the same with any country that supports it because the Zionist government only survives because of its external supporters

  • MixMChess

    Standard copy and paste from 1000roses, who is also Drewinna and GreySky. I'll respond with my standard copy and paste too…

    "The only solution for a lasting peace is absolute democratic process (that we Americans cherish so passionately) for the entire territory in question, otherwise, the peace will not last."

    There is no historical precedent for coercing groups with different political, religious or ethnic identities to form into one nation. Creating new national borders to separate hostile groups has been the accepted solution. You are essentially asking Israel, a UN nation state for over 50 years, to vote on its right to exist and to eliminate itself.

    "I favor one state solution because two states would only attempt to “legalize” Zionist occupation that will be remembered in history until it is corrected by future large scale conflicts, so no lasting peace will result."

    Of course you favor a one-state solution, because it pairs with your racist goals of destroying Israel. There are no legal, historic, geographic or moral grounds on which to advance a one state solution. A single-state is simply a continuation of the 1948 War through demographics instead of militarism-imperial conquest by another means. It would pave the way for Palestinians to dominate demographically and destroy the Jewish character and the purpose of the state itself. A one-state solution would be unjust. It would deny the right of self-determination to both the Palestinian and Jewish national movements.

    Besides, over 75% of Palestinians and Israelis don't want a one-state solution, according to recent polls. Your thuggish "FINAL solution" would have to be imposed against the will of both Palestinians and Israelis, a clear violation of both their rights to self-determination.

    "The only issue with the fair democratic process is what to do with all manipulated Jewish people who the Zionist regime imported for decades to increase the Jewish population from around 100,000 to over 5 Million since the start of the occupation."

    This is a blatant LIE. First of all, Jews who came to the land never upset any local Arab populations. Jews built there state on VACANT and TENANT-FREE land LEGALLY purchased from Arab landowners. Arabs were never displaced by this process, in fact the Jews brought economic opportunities which led to an increase in Arab immigration. A few Arab communities were displaced during this time, but due to economic conditions that had nothing to do with the Zionists.

    You are also conveniently forgetting that Jewish immigration to Israel was actually very restricted under British rule whereas the Arabs were given open immigration which enabled the importation of hundreds of thousands of Arabs into the land during the Mandate period. Only after 1948, was Jewish immigration allowed to return to full capacity, at which time Israel began accepting the approximate 850,000 Jewish refugees deported from Arab countries.

    "Any compromise other than the absolute fair democratic process with no manipulated population will be temporary with terrible conflicts looming to correct it in the future."

    What you speak of isn't democracy but tyranny by the majority, where Arab interests would be placed far above Jewish interests so that Jewish interests would be actively oppressed, "just like the oppression by tyrants and despots." No wonder you support it.

    Of course you ignore the FACT that Arabs have had the opportunity for a fair solution countless times. In 1947 Jews voted to partition the land and have peace with their Arab neighbors – the Arabs voted against it and chose to go to war with their Jewish neighbors. Israel has sought peace with its neighbors countless times, 1967, 1973, 1979, 1982, 1988, 1993, 2000, 2005, 2006, 2009… just to name a few. Each time Arab belligerence has prevented a true and lasting peace. Its time for the Arabs to get with the program and live in peace and stop the xenophobia and imperialist conquests.

    "The Zionist regime can only temporarily exist through the force of its arms as a one people country where only select ones can vote and where different laws apply to different people. "

    More nonsense. Israel is a secular democratic country which guarantees equal rights for its Arab citizens (which make up approximately 20% of the population), including the power to vote. The W. Bank and Gaza are not governed by Israel, and Israel has never extended its laws to those territories, they are governed by the P.A. and Hamas respectively. Get a clue.

  • Danny

    Lots of mention of palestine being a terrorist state, but im sure that the israelis officially celebrate the bombing of king david hotel in which british servicemen died to this day, i am also sure they have put a placard on the hotel absolving any responsibility and saying that the death toll was due to the british! Oh what about the arms sold to argentina during falklands war? and most importantly the UN laws broken, now ask again why should we brits support you?