Jordan is Palestine: Arieh Eldad’s Two-State Solution


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With a petition for Palestinian statehood presented before the United Nations last week, the issue of the disputed right to the land of Israel seems to many to be on the verge of an historic, if unsatisfying and controversial, resolution. But Dr. Arieh Eldad, a Member of Knesset and chairman of the Jewish nationalist Hatikva party, insists that the root of the issue is not territorial, and thus any peace plan based on the concept of dividing the land is destined for failure.

In his pamphlet titled simply “Jordan is Palestine,” Eldad writes

Dividing the land of Israel west of the Jordan into two states – Israel and a Palestinian state – has become the only political plan accepted for international and domestic (Israeli) discourse. This, despite dozens of failures in trying to implement it during the past ninety years. Every failed attempt has been accompanied by bloody conflict and/or war.

Recently Eldad – also chief medical officer and senior commander of the Israel Defense Forces Medical Corps and a Brigadier-General in the IDF (Reserves) – expressed his iconoclastic opinions in a speech at Temple Ner Maarav in Encino, northwest of Los Angeles. Also entitled “Jordan is Palestine,” his presentation put forth what he calls the “simple truth” that the Jews, and not the Arabs, have an historic right to the land of Israel. “I’m all for ending the occupation,” he said. “We must end the occupation. Of course, I’m referring to the Muslim occupation of the land of Israel, starting in the seventh century.”

So yes, there is certainly a territorial component to the problem, Eldad acknowledges. But, he explained, falling back on a medical analogy that reflects his profession, “We have misdiagnosed the conflict. It is a religious war. It’s a clash of ideologies. It’s not a territorial conflict.”

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  • Larry

    The UNHCR, or any other international body, is not going to do a damned thing to help Israel. Now, with the level of strife in Syria and Egypt, is the time for Israel to act unilaterally. Boot the arabs out into Syria, Jordan, and Egypt, move Israel's southern border to the Canal and eastern border to the Jordan, and announce the annexation formally.
    Then tell the UN to take a running jump and kick all the foreign funded NGOs that are attempting to undermine Israel out.

  • http://www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm Alexander Gofen

    Finally we read the words of truth: it IS A RELIGIOUS war. The war of barbarism (islam) against the civilization.

    Yes, unilateral annexation of Judea and Samaria is a long overdue, as well as full sovereignty over the Temple Mount.
    http://www.resonoelusono.com/DeclarationForIsrael

    • http://www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm Alexander Gofen

      Why annex another people's land?

      Judea and Samaria are Jewish land: not other's people land, Mr. Fern Goldstein. Russian antisemits whose script you express so diligently would hardly appreciate your feat, let alone your (assumed?) name.

  • crackerjack

    Stupid slogans for simple minds.

    Let's put Eldad's infantile chatter into the real world : – Israel annexes Westjordan and while IDF troops evacuate Pali towns and villages, millions of refugees are stranded along the Jordan valley in UN tents. Or is there any comprehensible reason why Jordan should support this "plan"?

    Israel may be the spoilt brat of the West, but even spoilt brats know that there are lines that are not to be crossed.

    • reza

      The population of jordan is 4 million , a. Country about 5 times the size of Israel which has a population of 10 million. you have to get it into your head that Arab muslims will never stop until Israel is destroyed which makes it an impossible situation. If you think the jews should all leave please be man enough to say so.

      • Dorian Silverstein

        Reza, a convenient solution to the issue would be if the AshkeNazi "israelis" went back to their original motherland – KHAZARIA which is Central Asia. Stalin also gave them their own republic in the USSR, called the Jewish Autonomous Republic (with capital Birobijan) which still exists in Russia, but I guess it is too cold there. With the Khazar mass-conversion to Judaism in the 9th century, and them spontaneously becoming the "13th lost tribe", Palestine became a nice warm place (aka "promised land") to squat on. So, you think people don't know about you Khazars? And you think one line, if repeated thousands of times will become true? You are WRONG – you are not real dark-skinned Semitic Jews, but a bunch of wanna-bes.

        • aspacia

          Israel has no death penalty-the NAZIS did-

          FALSE ANALOGY.

      • crackerjack

        If the only alternative be that either all Arabs or all Jews leave, then it makes more sense that all Jews return to the countrys they came from and all Arabs stay where they were in the beginning. Why should locals be expelled for immigrants from Brooklyn, Budapest and Sydney and whos familys haven't been even near the region for 2 milleniums?

        • aspacia

          And Jews to where to be persecuted, massacred and genocided again? Your head is cracked.

          What about the 650,000 Jews expelled from Arab lands without compensation?

          What about the millions of Jews expelled from many lands without compensation?

          Jews need a homeland where they do not have to suffer any more genocides, pogroms, and discrimination.

          • Nina

            Actually it's more than 850.000.

    • Larry

      Jordan stuck hundreds of thousands of arabs into "refugee" camps after they cleared them out to create a free fire zone in 1948, why should now be any different?

    • aspacia

      LOL, Jordan will with a huge U.S. carrot at the end of the stick.

  • Ben Cohen

    So Israel wants to add 2.5 million Palestinians as citizens? I guess his answer is yes.

    Those who accept the political realities know that the two state solution is the only way for Israel to survive, the Likudnik kool-aid drinkers just don't get it.

    • Michael Dar

      With your kind of thinking and defetist attitude we can forget about our recovered sovereignty on our historic land. With your line of miserable thinking we would never have had our state back! We must stick to our history, perpetuate it, make history not
      let others impose their own fake, invented narrative… Even if we brake up our state and disperse..do you think we the Jewish people will be accepted by the nations and stop being persecuted? Being born a Jew has a price tag attached to it and it is upon us to have the strenght, resolve abd the will to fight for our survival..

      • mrbean

        Let the Palestinians know in no uncertain terms what "Never Again" means. As for the Palestinian Muslims, it is a matter of record that Palestinians strap munitions on their own women and children and send them out on homicide-suicide missions to murder other innocent Jewish women and children in markets, restuarants, on school buses, and in their homes. The Palestinians in their own words and by their actions are committed to the genocide of the Jewish people therefore, have foreited their rights to even exist at all let alone having a UN and US sanctioned terrorist state of their own.

      • Domenico Goldberg

        "[y]our recovered sovereignty on [y]our historic land"?? Look in the mirror and tell me this – are you white skinned? Are you AshkeNazi? If so, do us a favour and look up you real native land – KHAZARIA which is in Central Asia. Read the history how your Khazar ancestors converted to Judaism in the 9th century and conveniently became the "13th lost tribe". The original Semitic inhabitants of the land, the Palestinians, have a stronger right to the land than a bunch of Khazar wanna-bes from Central Asia.

      • Ben Cohen

        Did I say disperse? Israel should continue to exist as a Jewish state, that's why I oppose adding 2.5 million more Arabs!!!!!!

    • aspacia

      They may leave — especially if not wanted.

    • aspacia

      Jews will never be really accepted by most of Europe–their misJudist history is centuries old.

    • aspacia

      Dhimni-You are a fool-Muslim fear the strong horse, a Churchill, not a weak horse, a Chamberlain.

  • http://apollospaeks.blogtownhall.com/ ApolloSpeaks

    OBAMA AND HILLARY WISH JEWS A HAPPY NEW YEAR BY DECLARING JERUSALEM THE ILLIGITIMATE CAPITAL OF ISRAEL.

    You heard me. In what is an outrageous reversal from candidate Obama's disingenuous AIPAC speech three years ago (where he boldly declared Jerusalem "the indivisible capital of Israel"), and Hillary Clinton's support of Israeli ownership of Jerusalem as Senator, now these two perfidious snakes have gone to the opposite extreme stating in a State Department brief filed with the Supreme Court that Israel has got it all wrong; that it has no sovereignty or territorial rights over Jerusalem; that Jerusalem is a city belonging to no state or people; that it's a city state unto itself; that the people of Jerusalem aren't Israeli citizens; that, in effect, they are Jerusalemites; and that Israel's claim that Jerusalem is its capital is bogus and illigitimate.

    Click my name to continue reading this piece.

  • IamJoseph

    Serial 2-state demands in the same tiny land = 100% genocide. It seems Europe has continued its genocide with Heil Hitler salutes at the UN the past 60 years – transfering the name Palestinian from Jews onto those hell bent on another holocaust and calling a death to Israel 3-state as a 2-state. The greatest post-W.W.II crime is the corruption of the Balfour for 30 barrels of oil. But hey – Eurostan is happening!

  • maturin20

    Militant Zionists have such a hard time of it.

    • tanstaafl

      Looks like someone forgot to read the Qur'an this morning.

      "Fight them all until there is no more fitnah (disbelief) in the land and only Islam is worshipped."

      • maturin20

        I only read the Qu'ran for the box scores.

        • aspacia

          You are a fool. Know your friends well, keep them close; know your enemies better and keep them closer to better defeat them.

          • maturin20

            I don't have any enemies.

          • aspacia

            Yes you do; you just do not know it.

            "Then vv. 7-12 conclude sura 66 with more warnings of hell for the unbelievers. Allah tells Muhammad to “strive hard” (jahidi, جاهد) against the unbelievers and hypocrites. Ibn Kathir explains: “Allah the Exalted orders His Messenger to perform Jihad against the disbelievers and hypocrites, the former with weapons and armaments and the later by establishing Allah's legislated penal code” (Spencer).

          • maturin20

            Although I don't like his writings and consider him an opportunist making money out of fear and discord, I wouldn't call Robert Spencer my enemy.

          • aspacia

            You are an idiot. It is obvious that the claim stems from Ibn Kathir, not Spencer.

          • maturin20

            I'm pretty sure that Ibn Kathir didn't write in English.

    • aspacia

      No imatur, Jews generally have a difficult time with biased, bigots like you running around the world.

      • http://www.contextflexed.com Flipside

        Good thing they have you to speak in their stead.

        • aspacia

          They easily refute liberal and muslim [sic] lies very well on their own. Unfortunately, some idiots use ad hominem attacks discounting their claims because they are Jews.

          • http://www.contextflexed.com Flipside

            Still, it’s good that they have a non-Jew who for some strange reason has selected them, but no other people, to fanatically defend against perceived, even imagined oppression.

        • KarshiKhanabad

          When seven million Arab Muslims are surrounded by three hundred million screaming Jews, then I'll sympathize with the Arab cause.

      • maturin20

        I rarely run, it's too exhausting. All those people with those 26.2 bumper stickers? Too dreary.

        • http://www.contextflexed.com Flipside

          Is that what those are for? I thought they were a temperature cult.

  • waterwillows

    Those who seek to destroy the Law of the Throne Most High, seek their own destruction.

    Never shall they be able to cast Him aside and impose their own glory.It would be wise for them to remember that He does not sugar coat anything. Nor is there a single drop of politically correct in Him.

    His will, pleasure and decisions will stand against all onslaught.

  • Yeshayahu Goldfeld

    Dear Dr Eldad ,
    As much as I would like to see your utopia become reality , unfortunately your two-state solution is not feasible.The population of Israel would greatly benefit were politicians to refrain from spreading false hopes.

  • myohmy

    At last we have a realistic assesment of the conflict and a pragmatic and reasonable plan for ending the long and futile negotiations for a peace accord between the Palis and Israel. Finally we have the truth that this is not a clash of civilizations, it's a clash of civilization with uncivilized muslim genocidal maniacs. Next he correctly identifies Jordan as Palestine. Remember it was Jordan who displaced so many Palis after the radicals tried to assasinate the Jordanian King and failed. Look what that did to Lebanon. That led to the conflict which delivered Lebanon into the hands of the radical muslims who killed and drove the former majority Christians from Lebnon. It's time to recognize that the writer is right, this is not about territory, it's about muslims intent on killing "little Satan", Isreal and then killing "big Satan", us. Obama has thrown Israel under the muslim bus and it's time for Israel to terminate the radical muslim threat once and for all. Come on Israel, do yourself and the world a favor, eliminate the threat before the U.N. can give them more money and military support. Look how peaceful the Japs have been since they got nuked.

  • http://www.contextflexed.com Flipside

    What? A Jewish guy proposes a bait and switch scam? Unprecedented!

    • MosheNayad

      Stalin gave the Khazars, aka AshkeNazi converts to Judaism, a republic in USSR called the Autonomous Jewish Socialist Soviet Republic with a capital in Birobijan. It still exists!!! I guess it was too cold, they did not like it, and their native Khazaria was not good enough. So, they set their sights on Palestine which is much nicer and warmer. The problem is, they are having a hard time blending in being that they are white-skinned, blue eyed Central Asians in the Middle East.

  • http://historyscoper.angelfire.com tlwinslow

    Why do Muslim Arabs obsess on squatting on a tiny patch of land in their millions of square miles of Arab territory? Because of ISLAM, which treats Jews as an infection to be eradicated by calling on all available Muslim blood cells. There shouldn't be a Palestinian state period, or a Jordan, just the Arab Umma and Greater Israel. When will this true solution be put on the table and fought for openly? The U.S. will back Israel up if it will ask.

    The best free history of Israel on the Net:
    http://tinyurl.com/jerusalemhistory

    • MosheNayad

      Let's see who the REAL SQUATTER is here. The Khazars, pardon the white-skinned AshkeNazi or 80% of Israel's population are the squatters in this case. The ones who lived in Central Asia and who converted to Judaism in the 9th century. Now they claim a totally foreign land, Palestine, and have launched a conquest to usurp land that is not theirs. Mind you, REAL JEWS are not blond, blue-eyed people with white skin (like Bibi and others). The real Jews are dark-skinned Semites, of the same origin as the Arabs. Got it?

      • Lucy

        Other than being a racist,bigot and antisemite you are also woefully uninformed .
        Skin color is not parallel to any religion.Your misguided ideal of a “Jew” is embarrassingly ignorant.
        Judaism is a religion not a skin color or hair style.A large portion of the original Jews were in fact descendants of Greeks that immigrated and settled in the middle east prior to the creation of Judaism .There are also ancient Celts that were absorbed into Jewish culture.

        Jews have several genetic phenotypes in their DNA.These were created by intermixing of ancient DNA’s and creating new phenotypes.

        Your racist slur of AshkeNazi demonstrates your hate and stupidity.

      • ArtVanDeLay

        Very good, then please request the numerous Jordanians,Palestinians,Syrians and Lebanese with blonde hair and blue eyes to vacate the premises along with the Ashkenazi/Khazars so that the Sephardic Jews can take over those areas as well as Israel!Problem solved! After all since they are both dark skinned Sephardim and Arabs love each other right ……..right…..??

    • aspacia

      They are eradicating the Christian Copts too.

  • xlent

    Well of course it is a "religious war". All wars are "religious" wars. One has to be very "religious" about something on order to go to war over it. In ever war there is one who is right and one who is wrong. In this war the Jews are right and the demonized islams are wrong. There are many gods, there is one true God, watch closely He is about to act.

    • aspacia

      No, not all wars are religious! Most revolve around water, land and treasure. This is a religious war.

      • http://www.contextflexed.com Flipside

        That makes it even stupider, because religion is just greed, racism, and the fear of death, codified.

  • Linda Rivera

    War has been waged against ALL non-Muslims for 1,400 years started by huge slave trader, Mohammad, founder of Islam. Regarded as the perfect man and role model by Muslims who follow their religion, Mohammad married a six year old child when he was in his fifties.

    Mohammad murdered/beheaded several hundred Jewish men because of the Jews love for, and allegiance to the One Glorious, Majestic, Magnificent G-D of the Universe. The loyal Jewish heroes refused to follow another god and the new religion of Mohammad.

    Jihad is an obligation in the Koran which commands all nations and peoples are conquered by Islam.

    Not one inch of Jewish Holy Land to imperialistic, colonizing Islam. Israel must NEVER surrender to global jihad. NEVER.

  • SchlomoBagelbaum

    Can anyone recommend a good suppository? Loneliness and Entenmann's™Marble Loaf Cake make a dangerous combination on Rosh Hashanah. Thank you, thank you very much!

  • Larry

    Wow, talk about a serious infection of fake Jews on this topic.

  • Larry

    Joe Biden was at a luncheon hosted by 15 prominent Rabbi's from the Boca Raton Area. When one Rabbi asked why Jonathan Pollard was still in jail after 25 years. Joe Biden answered, "Pres. Obama was inclined to have him released but I said over my dead body. He should serve his full sentence. " Not one Rabbi had the integrity to get up and leave.

  • JonM

    Jordan as a Palestinian state makes the most sense, therefore it will never happen. Israel made a mistake in not having anexed the West Bank and Gaza after the 1967 war. But, if the anylisis is correct about the conflict being a religious war, which I believe is the case, there will not be an end to the conflict untill the true and living God settles the issue once and for all. That time does not seem to be very far into the future.

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    i do not think so

  • logdon

    A two state solution when half of that 'solution' is intent on wiping, for ideological reasons, the other half is an oxymoron.

    And is a state still a state when it's merely a financial puppet of a corrupted Muslim or dhimmi dominated UN?

    During the Holocaust the Nazi's propagated the lie that extermination centres were in fact work camps and a good many Jews deluded themselves into believing this. They, accordingly walked to their own deaths.

    We have re-entered this age of delusion where the carrot of peace and life is dangled and no matter how preposterous the lie and no matter what contrary evidence is produced, the maggoty, rotting carrot is still grasped.

    The other day I watched a video of Code Pinker, Medea Benjamin arguing at a small street rally. When she'd run out of facts she uttered that little ditty 'From the river, to the sea' and on cue her rag tag band followed the chant. Over and over.

    Like schoolgirls with a crush it went on and on until the filming stopped.

    For me there were two signifiers in that little clip. One the tooth fairy incredulity of these people. The other a wilful denial of the meaning of the dirge.

    Don't the words, 'from the river to the sea' indicate something? Abbas has already indicated that Judea and Samaria would, like Gaza, be judenrein. HAMAS and elements of Fatah have openly discarded two states as a UN sell out.

    They want the lot.

    It's all a fiction. The big lie. A Coke commercial based on a hippie delusion of perfect harmonee.

    And parroted by those who should and do know better but for whom, selling out an entire nation is worth the price to be paid for clinging to a tawdy political career.

  • Guestx

    The right must unite, not just 2 days before an election but to present clear long-term front and communication. Unfortunately, Israelis are very poor at both communicating and unifying so the losers will continue to be the winners, the Tsipimonsters and Booboos of this world prevaricating and preening.

  • Lulu

    This is the only logical solution .
    It is fully supported by history ,archeology and religion .

    The Balfour agreement designated this view of Israel but it was reneged on by the UK in exchange for Suez canal domination and oil trade.Foeign policy failures created this disaster and it needs a final solution.

    There is no such thing as a Palestinian Arab.Arab is a word that has been bastardized.It represents nothing now but a Mid east birth.It denotes no religion ,nationality or culture.
    It has no connection to Palestine ,Arabic alphabet does not even contain the letter "P".

    There is no doubts except from greedy muslims and uninformed do-gooders that Palestine is and always has been part of Israel.The removal of the muslim land grabbers to their homelands and returning Palestine to Israel would be the correction of the ago crime of muslim theft of the Jew's land.

    Judaism is the parent of all monotheistic religions.Out of respect for our religious heritage Israel must be restored,respected and revered as much as any church.There would be no Christianity or Islam without Judaism .

    A unified,defendable Israel would be a gift to the world and all religions,not a punishment for a few.

  • Attila the hun

    I can't agree more. There is already Palestinian state called Jordan. The end of discussion. Israel and all the Jews around the world must go on diplomatic offensive. No more political theater. In the 20th century many states exchange millions of people i.e India and Pakistan, Turkey and Greece. Why not Jews and Arabs. Israel absorbed all expeld Jews from Arab land equal to all Palestinians refugees.

  • DissolvetheUN

    Politically, this is wishful thinking. Strategically, it is absolutely correct. I have always held that if a new arab state is going solve the problem and end the conflict, I wouldn't oppose such a state, even though its existence is unjustified.

    Problem is, pretend 'palestine' will solve nothing and end no conflict. It will be what it is intended to be – a stepping stone to destruction of Israel and genocide of Jews.

    So, I support this strategy. Maybe, if it is adopted and striven for by Israel, it will become PC. That, after all, is how pretend 'palestine' became PC. Jordan is 'palestine'!! See, the movement has started and the centre of gravity has already started to shift. Baruch Hashem, Jordan will be 'palestine' soon and Israel will be an island of civilisation in an ocean of hell on earth. Never mind the arab spring, how about the spring for civilisation?

  • johnnywoods

    Hey Benny, you might like to study a little history then you will realize that Israel was there first. In fact as far back as 3000 years ago. When did the Palestinian Arabs show up?

  • Larry

    Hey, Benny, I'm not Jewish, not Jewish ancestry what so ever. Where I do come from is that I'm the descendant of a people who fought an armed resistance against foreign invaders that were trying to destroy our people, our language, and our culture, for 400 years.
    As such I very much support the Jews in their desire to stay alive as a people. Genocide is not something I'm a fan of, and genocide is what the arabs and the left want to commit when it comes to Israel in particular and Jews in general.

  • Howard

    After you, Benny. Lead the way and everyone else will catch up.

  • Nina

    What an idiot! It's useless to discuss anything with this one.