The Rise of Islamic No-Go Zones

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In France, there are an astonishing 751 so-called Sensitive Urban Zones (ZUS). “Sensitive” indeed: the nature of the ZUS, and chaos like the nightly burning of cars in Paris, are topics that the French media largely downplay to avoid accusations of racism or Islamophobia – hence, for example, their generic description of the immigrant gangs running wild in Paris Métro stations as “youth.”

An estimated (as of 2004) five million Muslims live in these ZUS, and there is barely a single French city that lacks at least one. In Paris and other French cities with a high percentage of Muslim populations, like Lyons, Marseilles and Toulouse, thousands of Muslims make their presence felt by blocking streets and sidewalks for Friday prayers. Some mosques have begun broadcasting sermons and chants of “Allahu Akbar” via loudspeakers into the streets. Local authorities sit on their hands rather than confront this “occupation without tanks or soldiers,” because they are afraid of the situation escalating into violence in the streets.

The Dutch government has released a list of forty “no-go” zones in the Netherlands. In Brussels, Belgium, which is twenty percent Muslim, police have to patrol with two police cars, to watch each other’s back. And yet the multiculturalist mindset is so deeply entrenched in Europeans that it is the police who are expected to avoid offending cultural sensitivities: officers, for example, who frequently are targeted with rocks by Muslim youth, have been ordered not to drink coffee or eat in public during the Islamic month of Ramadan.

In Sweden, which an imam there has labeled “the best Islamic state,” whole patches of the city of Malmö – which is more than twenty-five percent Muslim – are no-go zones. There and in Gothenburg, Muslim teenagers have been burning cars, attacking emergency services, throwing.stones at patrolling officers and temporarily blinding them with green lasers.

And where such zones have not been officially established, the process is underway. In Italy, for example, Muslims have been commandeering Rome’s Piazza Venezia for public prayers. In Bologna, Muslims have repeatedly threatened to bomb the San Petronio cathedral because it contains a fresco which depicts the Islamic prophet Mohammed being tormented in hell.

These dangerous enclaves are, the Hudson Institute’s Kern writes, “the byproduct of decades of multicultural policies that have encouraged Muslim immigrants to create parallel societies and remain segregated rather than become integrated into their European host nations.” Indeed, as the scholar of Islam Robert Spencer has put it, what the Islamic supremacists want is not merely a place at the table – equal rights under the law, as previous minority groups have sought in civil rights movements – but their own separate table, utterly distinct from the manmade laws of infidels.

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  • Chezwick_mac

    Import millions of immigrants who don't share your values…and then find yourself shocked at the growing absence of social cohesion. That's foresight for you!

    • ziontruth

      "That's foresight for you!"

      Actually it is. What seems like stupidity to sane and good people is really the plan as far as the Marxists are concerned.

  • http://www.contextflexed.com Flipside

    OK, so Soeren Kern, a Hebrew University of Jerusalem student with dual citizenship in the US and Germany, who is called "a Senior Analyst for Transatlantic Relations at the Madrid-based Strategic Study Group," which is really just a dilettantish and incomplete website at http://www.gees.org , he and The Hudson group, which is Nina Rosenwald (a JINSA boiler-room) claim that England is being taken over by Sharia Zones. Elsewhere, Kern claims that Islam is consuming France. When he is not writing "Transatlantic Strategic Analyses," he is raving on Solomonia.com. GOOD JOB, with the sourcing, there. It's funny how you bloggers have appellations like "Big Hollywood Screenwriter" and "Transnational Strategic Studies Fellow." You should all sign your writings as Dalton Trumbo.

    • lothianburnmember

      LOL… it should state… Transnational Strategic Studies Fella. i.e. guy who shagged spencer's daughter.
      ..take it all a step further and you could , of course, get old spencers daughter to write an article praising him entitled… 'The propogandist who shagged me"!

    • Chezwick_mac

      That's right. The burning of literally thousands of cars in France over the last 5 years by disaffected Muslim youth is the figment of someone's fervent imagination….the slow torture/murder of a French Jew a couple of years ago by otherwise unexceptional neighborhood Muslim boys was incidental…the epidemic of gang-rapes of uncovered Muslim girls by their Muslim teen-age neighbors was the contrivance of neo-conservative bigots…the boastful proclamations of British Muslims that their neighborhoods are Sharia-compliant is – as 'Crackerjack' insists below – a Tea-Party black op…and on and on.

      That's right. Go back to sleep, infidels. Nothing to report here…

      • http://www.contextflexed.com Flipside

        Do you think a French Jew never murdered anybody? How about Ira Einhorn?

    • sononthe_beach

      The author was sticking to the facts. No where did he write tbat sharia was "taking over England." Your lefty credentials are clear, and made more so by the fact that if you cannot prove something you will just make it up.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      These Jew hating far leftist bigots are so unhinged that before long when reality won't let them continue to deny the existence of all those Muslim no-go zones already present throughout Europe anymore, they will inevitably begin blaming their formation on Islamophobia drummed up by Jews.

  • crackerjack

    What a lot of nonsense. When in Londen, I frequently pop down to the Towers to get a falafel. The towers are no more Islamic than Brooklyn is Judaic. The Towers are still a beacon of freedom compared to Israel's Haredim districts where women are confined to the back of the bus and folks are spat upon for going about their business on" Sabbath".

    And who is supposed to have printed this so called "Islamic Zone" poster? Muslims? LOL! The agenda fits more to the Tea party than anything else. Give us a break Tapson and stick to your Hollywood scripts, this is all just to stupid.

    • reza

      The difference is they are doing that in Israel and are a tiny minority of.the population. Muslims are demanding special treatment in NON muslim countries and are breeding like you wouldn’t believe. You will not see a muslim women ever without at least 2 kids with her, often 4-5 all paid for by the state. The latest scam that is well documented is the sub-letting of their free accomodation. They tell the council that they have divorced, and get given a second flat, which they then sub let! It is a big problem in the edgware rd area, where flats are sub let to unwitting saudis for 1500 pounds a week.

    • reza

      The fact is, you don’t live in London and it is not just tower hamlets, which is actually mainly bangladeshi and pakistani and there isn’t much falafel to be had. Edgware rd is the arab part. But they are all over london now and not just confined to designated areas, tower hamlets is just the most militant. Some young muslim just got a 100 pound fine for putting up ‘gay free zone’ posters everywhere.

    • sononthe_beach

      I realize that fact and logic are anathema to the emotive-thinking left, but here goes anyway:
      http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3998

    • BillyBob

      I'm sorry, I missed it – where does the Tea Party fit into all this?
      Oh yeah, that's right, the Tea Party is judgemental and racist and homophobic and islamaphobic and

  • Newspaniard

    You appear to have a fair number if islamist apologists here today. Anyone widely read on the islamization problem will realise that your article understates the situation and that it is much more serious that portrayed above. Alas most parliamentarians in Europe have back bones of yellow jelly and refuse to do anything other than wring their hands and describe islamofacism as a religion of peace and describe detractors as islamophobics while they hide in their padded basements.

  • John Farthgum

    They will take down all of the UK….that….is a given. The process has clearly started.
    There is NO WILL to stop them…NONE! Once they are the majority see what they do to all non believers. See what they do to all Christian places of worship. See what they do to all Jews, and all non Muslim women. Oh…is that laughter I hear in the background? OK…but that will not change a thing. West Minister will be torn down by these people.

  • tanstaafl

    Of course, passing laws banning the imposition of sharia law in the United States is a bad idea because……it would slow down the jihad?

  • G Carson

    Anyone who thinks this issue is a joke might find their head separated from their body and placed on a pole someday. This is no joke, it is the continuation of the jihad Muslims began back around 900 ad.

  • effemall

    I can see that in little time America and Canada will have to admit fleeing non-Muslim Brits as refugees and the USCIS will need to add millions to their staffs to process 80 million English Dhimmis. Ironically, if America will be saved from the same fate, it will be up to America's rednecks and militias because the theoreticians will continue to debate and prattle without ever taking a physical step.

  • BS77

    They let the Trojan Horse into their gates and now the bumbling stumbling multicult -diversity- at -all cost Brits are moaning in dismay. What a bunch of idiots….just like those Scots who let the Lockerbie Pan Am bomber go home to Libya. Europe better wake up and wake up fast.

  • EdwinS

    Do you think that God's replacing 6 million Jews with 20 million Muslims is some kind of punishment for Europe?
    Reading about Muslim ascendancy in Europe delights me – no people deserves more the joy of the Islamic presence….

  • informed Jewess

    This is my take on how to solve this problem, it's a tough love solution: They do'nt want Cops, Fireman or ambulances-fine DO'NT SEND THEM! Let them kill each other or die from sickness and fires. They do'nt want to assimilate and follow the laws and customs of the country? fine-DO'NT GIVE THEM ANY KIND OF WELFARE! They want all the rights and then some, but none of the responsibilities. Do'nt give them any kind of support-just let them self destruct-no money, no housing, no free education no, medical services-they want to kill each other fine. Take it a step further and wall off these areas so they ca'nt get out and really watch them implode.GIVE THEM NOTHING!

    • Dennis

      Here's something else to consider…

      If these ghettos degenerate into an abyss of sickness, disease, and other medical blight, then what happens when these Jihadists deliberately infect the residents so that the residents will go into the larger infidel population and spread the diseases?

      Suggested Solution: Immediately stop all immigration. Issue payments to relocate this sector of people back to their original homelands – especially now since the ARAB SPRING has sprung and is "safe & secure" and are now our BFFs – and tell them to chart their futures independent of us infidels. If they think they are so "superior", let them prove it!

      • informed jewess

        That's why you wall them off, no one in, no one out. All I'm suggesting is that we hold them to their own words-to the letter

        • http://www.contextflexed.com Flipside

          That didn't work out so well in The Merchant of Venice.

      • gsw

        trouble is most of them were born in the UK and their parents and grandparents were good people, muslim about like the average Brit is a christian. Islamic policies etc. would not have been tolerated – that is the difference. Our school uniform did not allow any religious extra, turbans, hijabs or crosses, basta.
        The turn around came when a girl went to the European courts and sued for not being permitted to wear a totally unnecessary hijab at school.
        That was the sign for the politicians to come down heavily on the side of personal responsibility – they didn't. Now it may be too late.
        We cannot send people 'back', but we could offer them a choice, shariah in an islamic country – free flight – or secularism and integration in the UK.

    • Nanook8

      My thoughts exactly. And stop immigration for Muslims. We have to fear for out lives in our own country, because you feared for your lives in the countries you left? I think not.

  • Freedom John

    We've been, once again, given a view into the bowels of Hell. Is Europe so uncaring of their culture they are willing to surrender it? It does appear that way. At the same time, we here in the States have those more than willing to surrender our culture. Islam is a very evil regime and I feel badly for those that are trapped in it or deceived by it, (I'm sure many want out but can't get there). But Islam is the major enemy of mankind and it must be fought against by whatever means are necessary. It will depend on the people though because our Gov't leaders are already in the tank.

  • Ben

    This have begun in Middle East that have been made Judenrein.Almost nobody have noticed.I believe in free people of Europe that will wake up.

  • curmudgeon

    uk is gone. it is now a dhimmitude for islam. there is no hope for cowards who will not even defend their own culture against the assault by flagrant enemies, and their own treasonous government, media, and liberal elites. forget about uk. it isnt about uk any more, they have surrendered to evil. it is about the rest of the world. will we surrender to islamic slavery? the liberal traitors say yes. what do you say?

    • Rick_in_VA

      Unfortunately we are almost there. The people in power and their sycophants are not only allowing it, but actually encouraging it. We already have judges who are using Sharia law in their rulings, in direct violation of the U.S. Constitution.
      Someone said that only rednecks and the militia can stop it. Maybe. One thing is for sure. We won't stop it by throwing pig parts at them, although rumer has it that burying a pig on property makes it unclean and Muslims will not build there. (That's a hint for you New Yorkers.)

  • RosettaStone

    The only positive thing about this is that they’ve concentrated themselves in one area, making it much easier to ROUND THEM UP AND SEND THEM BACK TO THEIR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN!!! What’s that you say? The muslims in their country of origin won’t let them land. Well, then I hope there’s a desert island somewhere close.

  • curmudgeon

    in merry old england, vicious kings, when confronted with a rebellious fraction, that only wanted to be treated less unfairly than customary, would assemble their arm, and defeat the rebels, no matter how just their cause, and then execute all the leaders, and many of the followers. now, creepy weak, cowardly, craven, slimy uk governmnent welcomes the worst plague ever to assail the uk. worse than the vikings. worse than the plague, because they, cowering in their ivory towers, are afraid of being called racists by the criminals, traitors, cowards, and low life scum that infest the media. good luck brits. you will bitterly rue your cowardice, and your descendants will spit when they say your names. too cowardlyto expel the muslims when it was easy, too weak to expel the muslim invaders when it was more difficult. your descendants will despise you for selling them into islamic slavery, for the price of not being called "islamophobic". fools. fools. god dam fools.

  • flyingtiger

    I am am curious. Are they still able to deliver the welfare checks to the No Go areas or has this been stopped?

    • ObamaYoMoma

      No it hasn't been stopped. Indeed, as long as their multiple wives maintain different residences, their welfare checks are always right on time just like clockwork.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    Three and a half years ago, one of the Church of England’s most senior bishops, Pakistani-born Michael Nazir-Ali​, warned that Islamic extremists had created “no-go”areas across Britain too dangerous for non-Muslims to enter.

    So I guess the vast overwhelming majority of Muslims living in Europe today according to the writer are extremists, since the vast overwhelming majority of Muslims living in Europe live in Muslim no-go zones ruled by Sharia.

    Indeed, the writer of this article continues to cling to the old and false political correct paradigm that Islam is a Religion of Peace™ being hijacked by a tiny minority of extremists, even as that paradigm is crumbling right before him. This writer also continues to make the mistake of conflating jihad with terrorism as well.

    Here's the correct paradigm: The sixth and most important pillar of Islam makes it an obligatory duty in Islam for every Muslim to fight jihad in the cause of Allah. The sixth and most important pillar of Islam doesn't makes it an obligatory duty only for extremists to fight jihad in the cause of Allah and the sixth and most important pillar of Islam doesn't makes it an obligatory duty only for radicals to fight jihad in the cause of Allah, while at the same time giving the so-called moderate Muslims a free pass and an exemption from fighting jihad in the cause of Allah. Instead, the sixth and most important pillar of Islam makes it an obligatory duty for ALL MUSLIMS to fight jihad in the cause of Allah, no exceptions.

    Thus, ALL MAINSTREAM ORTHODOX MUSLIMS are jihadists, a few of them are violent jihadists, while most of them are non-violent jihadists, and the few of them that are not jihadists are not Muslims at all but blasphemous apostates instead that must be executed per the dictates of Islam.

    In other words, self proclaimed so-called “moderate Muslims” like that media whore Zuhdi Jasser are either stealth non-violent jihadists or otherwise blasphemous apostates that must be executed per the dictates of Islam. Take your pick, because I can't figure it out in Jasser's case.

    Hence, just because a Muslim immigrant living in the West for all intents and purposes appears to be perfectly peaceful and law abiding, it doesn't mean that Muslim isn't a jihadists, since all Muslims are forbidden from living in the Dar al Harb (the realm of unbelief) unless it is for jihad in the cause of Allah, as jihad, in stark contrast to terrorism and in which this writer routinely conflates with terrorism, can be both violent and non-violent.

    In fact, Muslims never ever migrate to the West or any other non-Islamic countries for that matter unless it is to eventually subjugate and dominate to make Islam supreme through demographic conquest and the proof is the presence of all those many Muslim no-go zones in Europe and other non-Islamic countries. They didn't happen by happenstance but by design.

    Indeed, in the old paradigm such a peaceful and law abiding Muslim would naively be labeled a so-called “moderate Muslim” and would remain a so-called “moderate Muslims” unless he self-radicalized (another canard) and became violent, then he would be called a terrorist instead of what he really is, a violent jihadist. Words have meanings and we must stop misusing words.

    However, in the new paradigm, the old labels – moderates, extremists, and radicals – don't apply because they were wrong to begin with, as all Muslims are jihadists, with a few of them being violent jihadists and most of them being non-violent jihadists.

    Hence, since it is forbidden for all Muslims to live in the Dar al Harb (the realm of unbelief) unless it is for jihad in the cause of Allah, all Muslims that migrated to the West are in reality stealth and deceptive non-violent jihadists, and just because they are perfectly peaceful and law abiding, doesn't mean they are so-called moderate Muslims, unless you can believe that jihadists can somehow be moderate.

    Indeed, this newer far more accurate paradigm forces us to embrace reality and to also acknowledge at the same time the many varieties of non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad that heretofore operated in the West completely unacknowledged and unopposed, but nevertheless are for the purpose of subverting us in the long run.

    • Rick_in_VA

      Also in the texts it states that it is not wrong to lie to an unbeliever; in fact it is expected.
      This might explain why we have so many "unknown" jihadists in our government.
      Or maybe they are known; at least to their handlers, who are also in our government.

  • Steve

    Apparently, in a related story, homos are moving out of the Scandanavian (?) because they are being targeted by Muzzies…..Only a matter of time before it spreads…..paradoxically many people are appalled by the homosexual agenda being pushed in middle and high schools and this bigotry might well make Islam more appealing to parents whose children are subjected to homo propaganda. (In California schools this takes the form as an attack on the "patriarchy" in which masculinity is demonized and boys are urged to "love" other boys. Needless to say, friendship is never mentioned and needs to be killed off by neglect so the homo world view that everything is sexual can prevail. Is this found in other states?).

    • curmudgeon

      there has to be some advantage to surrendering your country to murderous foreigners.

    • Proud Pagan

      The only agenda that homosexuals have is simply to gain equal rights. Of course it does not surprise me that you Christians support the anti homosexual nonsense found in Islam and that many would even convert to Islam to support their homophobia and patriarchal sexism. Also in no where in California are boys encouraged to love other boys. It is no surprise to me that your Christian morons consider the Islamic persecution of homosexuals to be a positive side of Islam. Hell Islam took all of it's evil teachings and ideas from Judaism and Christianity. The only way to save Europe and all countries infected by the Abrahamic virus is to start a complete eradication of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. As well as to eradicate these religions patriarchy and homophobia in order to create a society where all genders and sexual orientations have equal rights. However your statements just prove what I have been saying. That even though you Christians and Muslims are enemies you will gladly work together to get rid of your hated enemies such as gays, Pagans and Atheists. You both are simply the same evil religions. The only difference is that one of these evil religions are more extreme then the others. We need a resurgence of Paganism and a proper return to the old ways.

  • Ghostwriter

    And yet,Muslims continue to wonder why Americans have little respect for their religion.

  • xlent

    There is one islam. It is either strong or weak. We have lived the last few generations with weak islam. What we are seeing in Britain is simply islam flexing it's new found muscle.

  • Roy Dan

    No Alcohol, No Gambling, No Porn or Prostitution, and No Drugs or Snorting, BUT GUNS AND KNIVES WELCOME AND NOT CONTROLLED…

  • Brujo Blanco

    When a country tolerates misbehavior such as this eventually the interlopers will endeavor to take over completely. If Muslims succeed in the least they will prove to be more intolerant and violent than they are now.

  • topeka

    Agreed, I believe there are no-go zones in Europe and the situation is deteriorating. Further the situation is made worse by authorities who refuse to take a stand to defend western civilization before it is too late.

    Unfortunately, I do not think the author makes his point very well. I call it the "Tourist Viewpoint."

    Here in Texas we live side by side with many migrants including both legal and illegal migrants. There are many groups which enjoy enormous power as a result of their presence: Including violent gangs and non-violent (racist) NGO's and a smattering of legitimate non-profits. …. and in some places there are no-go zones. These interest groups make it difficult or impossible to see the no-go zone. Many of us cannot see the no-go zone until the cat is out of the bag, and by then it's too late. Therein lays the rub.

    The author needs to acknowledge that generally, for whatever reasons, most of the time these areas are probably safe.

    The police see the problem, and the firemen see the problem. And the permanent residents know there is a problem. E.g. When the police will not show, or if they do, they arrest the victim, or refuse to arrest the perp. The interest groups are often part of the problem. (Here in Texas, they are the problem more often than the immigrants.)

    Tourists however can roll through the neighborhood on a sunny day, and unless they know the signs, they will miss the clues. A quick drive may take one to a few strange sights, but for the most part there is no obvious border between the no-go zone or the safe zone. (And here the zones may be time dependent.)

    Trying to explain this to an outsider is nearly impossible. (Hey, if it bothers you that the cops cannot pick up a drug dealer who beats a teenage latina half to death, … you must be a jingoist… que the laugh track.)

    The author should take a stab at clarifying this point or he will find himself easy meat for the propagandists.

    • george

      topeka – is not telling the whole truth about Texas. There are neighborhoods that are bad that is for sure, but there are no deliberate "no go zones," promoted from within the communities that are there. In fact the migratory areas that topeka speaks of are probably hoping someone with money will come in and build a business or help develop the community, but there is no will full desire to run people out of town like is described in this article. In fact, I have experienced more of the opposite end of "No go zones," where the pressure has been on the minority to leave. This is not as much as it used to be.

  • WilliamJamesWard

    America should be a no go zone for Muslims, get rid of them………the choice
    is ours but in a few years it will be theirs to get rid of Americans…………William

  • https://sites.google.com/site/helpandcounsel/home Lyn

    "…Lacking the political and cultural will to assert control in areas that in some cases have become urban war zones, the authorities have simply retreated and abandoned them…"

    The whole article makes me sad for Europe. They really do lack the will to do something. Well many of them do. Part of the problem is their ultraliberal governments. Those countries have given welfare, asylum, and citizenship to Arab and African rotters and all they've gotten in return is contempt. I don't know if the authorities in Europe will ever take this seriously or if their people will wake up before it's too late.

  • BayouCoyote

    The only upside to the NGZ's is that it gives us the ability to quarantine the koranimals living in them almost instantly when they begin their world-wide intifada.

    This is the only "silver-lining".

  • redhawk1989

    All you say Mark is true,I live in Croatia (West Balkans) and I'm watching what is going on in the Balkan region.Bosnia had a three-and-half year war which muslims with Alija Izetbegović have killed 1606 Bosnian Croats during the war and the war was stopped only because the Western powers wanted to create a state (Bosnia-Herzegovina) as a multicultural experiment,but that is failing.The situation in Bosnia is tense between Croats and Muslims while Serbs are proclaiming its independence from B-H,the Croats are joining them as well.

    But if West European governments continue this kind of policy,in the next 15-20 years I see a Bosnia or Kosovo style war where non-muslim Europeans will suffer.

  • angel

    The problem is that these people lack the spine to do what needs to be done. They need someone that can control and force them into submission. Then give them two option assimilate or get the hell out. No burka or special treatment. It really infuriates me how the Europeans allow thugs to take over. It not a surprise, it just infuriates me.

  • redhawk1989

    How's that multiculturalism working for ya?

  • Mr Ali

    This is a load of nonesense, there aren't any no-go areas for non-muslims in the UK. The writer of this article should be brought to account for spreading lies about people of another faith. How on earth is someone based in Los Angeles = the gangland capital of the world have the nerve to spread lies and misinformation about Muslims in the UK??? To all readers please ignore this nonesense, as a Muslim in the UK you will see for yourselves if you ever visit, Muslims are friendly, humble, kind people and very welcoming, please do not believe lies by phony journalists from the other side of the world, please observe the world with your own eyes and ears, and judge people once you have actually met them. Thank you.

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  • W.W. Sprake

    It is with a sad and heavy heart that I admit to the march of Muslims across our countries. They seem to nave hate and conquest in mind > We must rise up and put a stop to this or face the reallity of of certain rule of vaules that we do not agree with. Our reedoms depend upon us , our chrildren depend upon us and our grand children depend upon us. Therefore as a group let us push for laws as Australia has done and stop this march dead in its tracks for all time ! Wake up and Stop talking and together do something !

  • http://endiaferontart.pblogs.gr/ giannis

    When a country tolerates misbehavior such as this eventually the interlopers will endeavor to take over completely. If Muslims succeed in the least they will prove to be more intolerant and violent than they are now. http://www.delood.com/

  • Kumar Krishna

    Amazing……………

  • Rui

    that's more like Superman flying through Gotham City… a funny and curious non-solution to what the government pretends to be a non-problem.
    No, what we need is for a mssive coalition of civil organizations and companies who will get the short end of the stick when islam dominates: alcoholic beverage makers, pork product industry, all entertainment industry, organizations that defend women's rights, gays rights, minorities wrights, pro-Israel organizations, etc. Anything and anybody that has something at stake – usually their survival – must come together to oppose islam. No excuses, unless their willing to excuse themselves to their own graves.