Occupy Wall Street and Soros’ Fingerprints

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The fingerprints of the preeminent funder of the activist Left today, George Soros, are all over the anti-American “Occupy Wall Street” movement.

The seventh-wealthiest person in America (net worth: $22 billion), Soros has publicly embraced Occupy Wall Street and financially supports a left-wing group that is funneling money to the movement.

As I note in my new book Subversion Inc., this Communist sympathizer co-founded the ultra-secretive Democracy Alliance, a billionaires’ club that wants to radically transform America. He has said that European-style socialism “is exactly what we need now” and favors American decline. Soros, a currency manipulator with an insider trading conviction, praises Red China effusively, saying the totalitarian nation has “a better functioning government than the United States.”

The nonprofit organization that has taken Soros’s money is the Alliance for Global Justice. It is managing donations benefiting the anarchists, socialists, communists, empty-headed Naomi Klein followers, and hippies now occupying Zuccotti Park in lower Manhattan. As of Nov. 2, the Alliance reported $206,000 in donations earmarked for Occupy Wall Street. The Wall Street Journal estimates Occupy Wall Street has taken in a grand total of $500,000 so far but that doesn’t appear to take into account non-monetary donations such as food, power generators, clothing, shoes, camping gear, and sleeping bags.

Alliance for Global Justice is a “fiscal sponsor” which means that it serves as a financial clearinghouse for causes that haven’t incorporated themselves as nonprofit organizations. Donors write a check to the Alliance and are then able to deduct the donations from their income tax. Fiscal sponsors take a percentage of donations as administrative fees and then pass on the rest to the cause favored by the donor.

Alliance for Global Justice has accepted grants from Soros’s charity, the Open Society Institute ($100,000 since 2004) and from the radical Tides Foundation ($60,000 since 2004) which allows high-profile donors to give secretly to radical causes.

A hotbed of anti-American activity, the Alliance takes money from the most extreme left-wing philanthropies operating in America today. The Alliance has accepted grants from the (pro-Fidel Castro) Arca Foundation ($185,000 since 2001), General Service Foundation ($165,000 since 2001), and Foundation for Deep Ecology ($30,000 since 2000), a group of environmental fundamentalists who regard human beings as the number one threat to planet earth.

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  • http://www.dailydoofus.com Frank

    Totally! I don't trust billionaires who influence the government! No one does. If a billionaire tries to influence the government, count me out!

    I wish I could protest how the very very rich can so heavily influence the people I elect to represent me that those representatives pay no attention to my concerns!

    Too bad I'm the only one that is bothered by that.

    • Jim

      No you are not the only one. You have the Occupy movement that agrees with you and many more.
      The theory propagated by this article is that Soros is funding the Occupy movement. It would be impossible for him to donate to Occupy as it has no central authority or organization which could receive that money. Soros is giving money to his usual groups in order to use them to control Occupy.
      The original posters whose writings have in fact aroused so many people to protest the oligopoly have issued pleas to the people to help keep Soros and other would be controllers from reaching their goals.
      One of the influential people who actually broadcasts the same message as Occupy is Dylan Ratigan.

      • Herman Caintonette

        FPM is an outlet for Mossad propaganda. The OWS crowd would finally slash our bloated military; providing for the common defense does not include protection of Israel, and David al-Mossadi wants to continue robbing our Treasury to preserve his pet project. As such, OWS presents a threat, which he wants to quash.

        Soros is the Right's favorite whipping-boy. Unlike the Tea Party — which let Dick Armey and David Koch take it over and use it as a vehicle for their vision — OWS is an organic movement, not owned by anyone.

        • kafir4life

          allahu snackbar to ya achmed….allahu snackbar! How is that pedophile prophet mad mo workin' out for ya?

      • Maxie

        "It would be impossible for him to donate to Occupy as it has no central authority or organization which could receive that money."

        The Service Employees International Union (SEIU) is an effective system of interconnected Soviets. Lenin used Russian soviets to coordinate the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917. Soros has built the SEIU to serve the same purpose.

        • The RSVP Network

          Its nice to see so many smart people coming along together to fight the evil.

          SAD to see so many idiots thinking they can lie, generalizing that every activist is the same.

          American Activism is on the rise, and the best thing is, as time goes on, the sell outs resign or get caught.

          RED HANDED. I commend all those that have grown stronger and grown together to build a tougher network to battle the evil. They tried buying this intellectual movement to save their asses from embarrassment to say the least. (as criminals that they are, embarrassment is the least of their worries, or maybe the most).

          MOSSAD or not, a well balanced system needs to exist. Namaste

  • BS77

    OWS….losers, street bums, communists, anarchists, vandals and idiots. Soros kind of folks.

    • Herman Caintonette

      Been there, Keemosabe? Most of OWS' agenda can be embraced by the rational Republican — not that there are many left.

      • SNAKESRULE

        please expound Ms Caintonette…as a rational republican I think a good asswhipping followed by obtaining a job is what these knuckleheads need.

        • Herman Caintonette

          No decent (defined under the Adam Smith minimum) jobs out there, Nagini. The rational Republican can get behind anything that revives the consumer and makes it more likely that he will come into our shops.

        • The RSVP Network

          There are no REAL jobs in America, fiat money is not a real payment. Snakesrule, r u mad bro?

    • Asher

      This violence will not bode well for the protestors or Obama, or the Mayors…Now the people see who they really are, they have come out of the closet and proven that they intend to destroy us and will hurt people to do it…This is really weighing heavily on people's minds!

      • Herman Caintonette

        That was what the Tories were saying in the wake of the Boston Tea Party.

        Revolutions are a messy business. Even in the anti-war and civil rights movements of the '60s, there was violence. And why should we remember John Brown? Thomas Jefferson remarked that the blood of tyrants and patriots was liberty's natural manure — hard for any historian to dispute that assessment.

        Frederick Douglass put it this way: "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." And if it takes bloodshed, it does. This is not my view but rather, the verdict of history.

  • http://bit.ly/dpZ6jL WhatCrapIsThisSite

    The people are close to changing a corrupt system. To make it better for everyone in America.

    Don’t like it ? Just call it Anti-American ? Call it everything but what it actually is.

    There is nothing more American than trying to make America a great place to live for EVERY single American.

    Keep protecting the special interests. Go on.

    It’s not like there is no EVIDENCE that they control law via bribes.Yet that flies over your head.

    Extremist Patriots… People who will die unquestionably for their country.

    ARE NO DIFFERENT than….

    Extremist Muslims… People who will die unquestionably for their religion.

    or even worse…

    Extremist Republicans… People who will die unquestionably for their religion.

    Extremist Republicans… People who will LIE unquestionably for their special interests.

    Extremist Republicans… People who will ruin OUR country , rather than try to make it better for us ALL.

    • tanstaafl

      Accusations are not proof.

      • Herman Caintonette

        They are to Team Horrorwitz.

      • The RSVP Network

        Talmud worshipping, more than enough proof for the stupid ones that can't figure out the proof.

    • Rifleman

      "The people are close to changing a corrupt system. To make it better for everyone in America." — Like they did in Russia, China, North Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Cuba, and Zimbabwe? Tell us another one.

      Jump from the frying pan into the fire. Go on.

      • Herman Caintonette

        Revolution always comes with risk, but at this point, the 99% have little left to lose.

        • Rifleman

          Lol, and with socialist revolutions it's not risk, it's certainty. The 99% have the highest standard of living, most freedom, and most upward mobility to lose.

        • UCSPanther

          And "99%" is a fringe radical movement. Most people have better things to do than to squat in public areas, harass others, demand handouts and in general, raise hell.

          Any attempt at a full-blown revolution will end in the same way as PKI's attempt at one in Indonesia during the 1960s: A lot of dead and jailed commies, and many fleeing to escape repercussions.

          • taxpayer

            The so called 99 % aren't really 99 % by any stretch. They are only 47 %, the ones who pay nothing into the system and want "free" [your] money from the system they hate.

          • Herman Caintonette

            My mid-five-figure annual tax bill would tend to refute that.

            OWS is built on the radical change in the allocation of societal benefits between capital and labor. Since you can't do business without having customers, there is too much capital chasing too few viable investment opportunities, which is why 10-year Treasuries are yielding 2%.

            I saw things starting to go into the toilet in 2006. Everybody's revenues were down. No customers, no sales. And without a middle class, for most, there will be no customers.

            Some people out there are professionals who used to have jobs. They saw them go to China, or they just disappeared because entrepreneurs didn't have enough work to keep them on. They could just as easily be you — and if there is a just God, you will be on the dole yourselves.

          • taxpayer

            If you have a five figure annual tax bill, then you are among the 1% that these dolts hate.

            The 47% still want to share your wealth, so accommodate them. As for me, I work too hard and have worked for too long to give my wealth to people too lazy to work to acquire their own or would not appreciate what I have done to accumulate it. My children have seen what I have done and appreciate my efforts. Therefore I will share it with them.

            And how exactly does your reply to my original, yet brief comments relate to them?

          • Herman Caintonette

            The 99% includes ~98% of the 53%.

            Are the OWSers too lazy to work? Many are professionals, who had their jobs outsourced to China. Others are well-educated students, who can't find work because companies use the B1-B visa to bring people here from India and as such, there are no jobs available.

            While I wouldn't mind a small increase in my taxes, I'm not going to subsidize lazy-azz freeloaders like you. Capitalism needs the infrastructure that government provides, and I can only hope and pray that you and your children are victims of the next collapsed bridge. It would be karmic justice.

          • LibertyLover

            Most of these demonstrators don't seem to have any marketable skills and they damned sure are not articulate. You need to bring something to the bargain if you want someone to hire you to work for them. A degree in Gender Studies or Communication Studies doesn't cut it and neither does an attitude of entitlement.

          • Herman Caintonette

            Compared to the Tea Party, the OWS looks like a Mensa meeting.

          • LibertyLover

            Another stupid meaningless comment. The people at OWS are sheep being led by leftists for their own purposes. Most of the "aware, committed young people" are there because it is the current "place to be, thing to be be doing." Nothing but sheep and lackeys.

          • Herman Caintonette

            If you want stupid, the Tea Party is overflowing with it. A flim-flam artist like Herman Cain polling in the double-digits speaks for itself.

          • taxpayer

            Perhaps you should re-read my response, so here it is again:
            "As for me, I work too hard and have worked for too long to give my wealth to people too lazy to work to acquire their own or would not appreciate what I have done to accumulate it.."
            How many are professionals? In which discipline are their degrees? Where are they looking for work? Exactly what is the source of your claimed knowledge?
            Finally, I wish for you double what you wish for me and my family.

        • Ken

          Except the freedom they claim to covet so!!!

          • Herman Caintonette

            What freedom, Ken? We live in a freakin' police-state, where our betters in government read our mail, listen in on our telephone conversations, and lo-jack our cars with impunity. Corporations are persons, but we are not.

    • http://www.hardwoodclocks.com Maxwell

      Of course, there are other ways to make/view positive changes to our common problems. There are people who look at life through soda straws while others see life from 60,000 feet. Neither is right or wrong. When you live on a 2D plane, all 3D objects look like straight lines which might lead that person to believe and profess that all things are flat. Are all things flat? Which observer do you think you are? Bitching doesn't work very well.

      • Herman Caintonette

        I maintain that our country's problems are easy to see: http://www.businessinsider.com/15-charts-about-we… Anyone with even a collegian's grasp of economics who is cognizant of history (not the ersatz David Barton propaganda) can see that these trends are not sustainable.

        "Forbes invited several billionaires of their [Forbes 400] to visit Zuccotti Park, now called Liberty Park, incognito to see first hand the demands of the occupants. Only Jeff Greene, real estate tycoon who the magazine calculates has capital of 2.1 billion dollars, accepted and this was his comment: "Right now it’s like a college sit-in, demonstrating middle-class frustration, but it could eventually lead to violence and that is the scary next step.""

        I read this the same way Greene does: Revolutions are predictable, and this one could easily become violent.

    • marat 1

      Are you really such a fool? “Extremist Muslims… People who will die unquestionably for their religion.” Really? You are really deluded. Close to 18,000 people have been slaughtered by ISLAMIC TERROR ATTACKS since 9/11. The vast, vast majority are Muslims themselves. There have been slews of articles with titles like “Who are the Suicide Bombers?” Actually, they do not exist. EVERY SINGLE ONE is a Sui-HOMICIDE BOMBER because every single such act is an attempt at MASS MURDER (i.e. totally indiscriminate). Numerous Buddhists self-immolated during the Vietnam War to protest that war. NOT a SINGLE ONE TOOK ANYONE ELSE’S LIFE. Extremist Muslims LOVE death. A few years ago, Bin Laden released a communication to the West. In it he put it better than anyone: “You Love Life, While WE Love Death.” Indeed. Islam has become a death cult. Left without any infidels (Christians or Jews), they will Eat their own….You may call it religion; I call it Fascism and Totalitarianism. You are really sad with your anti-Republican garbage. You have been well poisoned by the media, swallowing the dumb party line of the Left that “only Democrats REALLY care about people.” Wake up–America is very, very diverse. The real liar is in the White House. And if this rabble of “Occupiers” and gangsters continue, he will probably wind up their again!! As they say in Eastern Europe: “Even a change for the worse is better.” Obama sees EVERY event as an opportunity to try to raise his pathetic numbers in the polls. This man has absolutely no core values that are really detectable….he is opaque….truly, The Cardboard Candidate, and nothing is more pathetic and bizarre than watching him try to appear tough. Thanks to him, Iran is cooking plutonium while he and America sleep at night. Stay tuned for the first radiological bombs to detonate somewhere in the West in the near future. Courtesy of those Islamic “Patriots” you love!

    • kafir4life

      Let's not forget the extremist demonicrats. Don't work. Steal.

    • Lorri

      Watch what you wish for, you just might get..Cuba, China, so many..you better think of what you have, and what they will take away…You have a full belly, food stamps, medicaid if you need it..Want to seee the poorest doctors will accept their version of health care. I deal with medicare am=nd medicade patients now..THEY DO NOT WANT what that offers, have been misdiagnosed, careless doctors. Watch what you wish for, and give thanks for what you have.

  • Loupdegarre

    George Soros stole the equity in the American Home Owners property by shorting the mortgage bond and going long the Credit Default Swap using Goldman Sachs Abacus Fund which was set up by him and John Paulson who handpicked the CDO’s that would be in the Fund. Between them they made around 23 Billion dollars. It has never been disclosed who the investors in the Paulson and Quantum Hedge Funds were but I would bet that if the records were provided that they would show SEIU, ACORN et al, would be in the mix. These people made billions by stabbing the people they purport to care so much about in the back and crashing the economy. These yahoos out in the street who don’t own squat and didn’t lose a dime are being supported with those same billions in Home Equity that Soros stole from the American People. Also, if these people were so concerned with how Wall Street and the Banks were bailed out, where were they after Rick Santellis’ Rant of 2/19/2009 which started the Tea Party? Why has it taken these little morons almost 3 years to wake up? There is only one way to stop Soros and that is through lawsuits brought by the people who lost their homes as a direct cause of his actions.

    • Jim

      It is time for the Occupiers and the Tea party to join together organized or not late or not.

      The Tea party was taken over by people like Dick Army and other powerful Business oriented take over artists.

      Soros, Obama and others are trying to get at the head of the occupiers parade also.

      But the occupiers have no leaders except by strength of their postings on the internet.
      The only organization is the common goal of many people who wish remove the oligopoly for our democracy

      The people this article claims rule the occupiers are financing their usual groups to try and take control of this unorganized movement. The posters whose opinions are so influential with the occupiers are making pleas to the people of the movement to prevent any take over. Unorganized it must remain; The only leadership is the leadership ideas . The only goal is removal of all oligarchs from control of democracy.

      • marat 1

        I have to say that these zealous clowns who are demonstrating have become violent earlier than I thought at first. They are helping to bankrupt cities and couldn’t care less about laws. They will keep raising the bar for their confrontation, while having virtually nothing of value to offer anyone other than comraderie with their own type. Initially, thousands of them carried placards that read “Free Tuition Is Our Right.” Wow! They really care about the “little” people, don’t they. If these shmucks had any brains they would be Occupying the White House as well as the Administration building of their colleges. College tuitions have gone up wayyyyyy above the rate of inflation. But its much more fun to break bank, store windows, etc. and generally earn your “revolutionary” badge via maybe a quick news spot if you’re lucky. Then go back home and play with your computers, drive your cars, etc…oh that wicked capitalism!! If only America was purged of it, we might be more like…..gee….who? What idiocy that masquerades as any kind of political movement. I love the Tea Party people. They actually made sense and identified the source of America’s decline as the pathetic administration in the White House which drifts like a rudderless boat from one crisis to another. Well, good for you Republican haters on here…but give them some credit for fighting the regime in the White House with that strange “community organizer” who while campaigning as “The Great Uniter,” quickly showed his spots as “The Great Divider.” Even Daffy Duck could have done a better job….

    • Herman Caintonette

      People gave Obama a chance, but soon found that he had been bought by the same group of oligarchs who own the Republicans. OWS is an acknowledgement that our Constitution is no longer sufficient to restrain them.

    • davidhorowitz

      Stop complaining about corporate America. The American elite is who made this country great, despite a few missteps.

  • Gamaliel

    China is an oppressive country but they're doing something right, because most of the money we owe we owe to them.

    • Loupdegarre

      There is a little man named Maurice Strong who fled Canada to China to avoid a jail term for corruption. He is a mentor of George Soros and he has been calling the shots in China for at least the last 10 years.

    • Rifleman

      They can thank bill clinton for washing the blood in Tiannemen Square, giving the chicoms most favored trading status, and our entire patent database, along with our MIRV technology and our nuclear weapon designs.

      • Herman Caintonette

        Capitalism at work — companies wanted cheap labor, and sold their souls in the process. BC was owned by the same people who owned Phil Gramm….

        • Rifleman

          For it to be capitalism at work, we would have had to sell it to them, but clinton gave it.

        • UCSPanther

          China is an autocratic capitalist state. They shed the last vestiges of Communist economics when they cleaned out Chairman Mao's minions and joined the world economy.

          You try any occupy Wall street protests there, and let's see how fast you get cleaned out…

          • Herman Caintonette

            They did — back in ~1990. And then, there is Democracy Wall. China may be in the mood for change, especially once their real estate bubble bursts — it is showing signs of doing exactly that.

      • trickyblain

        Reagan started the trend — freeing private companies to sell space tech to the Chinese. Bush I continued it. Clinton did likewise.

        Calling BS on the "entire patent databse." Would need to see proof (i.e., nothing that comes from this website or its brethren).

        And of course. our debt to China has nothing to do with any of that. Debt occurs when you borrow money. Which Administration borrowed the most from China in the last 100 years?

        • Herman Caintonette

          Around here, the only Republican whose sh** stinks is Romney. Like trying to teach a pig to sing.

    • steve baker

      FYI: As of August, China owned $1.14 trillion of Treasuries. Government debt stood at $14.6 trillion that month. That's 7.8%.

      That's a lot. But hardy "most".

  • scum

    It's more likely that the funding comes from the Koch Kriminals, because of the ongoing presence of right-wing agents provocateurs…

    • Rifleman

      Who needs those when they have real commies and anarchists?

      • Herman Caintonette

        Tea Partiers are advocating de facto anarchy — their brand of capitalism.

        • Rifleman

          Care to back that up with any examples or facts, or are you just pulling things out of your rear again?

          • Herman Caintonette

            That's your specialty, Herr Rifleman. Wholesale dissolution of regulations invites anarchy, as there are no laws to protect our air, our water, and pretty much everything else.

          • taxpayer

            If things are so bad here, Comrade Herman, why not move to China. I am certain that they would welcome you with open arms. And confiscate whatever you brought with you.

          • Herman Caintonette

            We've moved half our manufacturing capacity to China already. And yes, things are bad here.

          • kafir4life

            Yet here you are.

  • Steve Chavez

    In the 80's, I was able to keep track of the Communist Party USA fronts, with direct ties to the Soviet KGB, but today, I am overwhelmed and I doubt a Cray Computer could keep track!

    This is like a family tree with many branches, a trunk, and its roots. The Communist Party USA is the tree that was planted in the 60's and grew in the 80's and today its branches are sprouting into a gigantic problem. If you want to get to the root of today's problems, you must look and research the CPUSA, its fronts, and its past and current members of those fronts. BARACK OBAMA was that member and now he supports this ANARCHY perpetrated by fronts of the CPUSA MACHINE and funded by Soros among others, and supported by members of Congress who were also in, and supported, CPUSA FRONTS!

  • Brujo Blanco

    There were those that claimed 9/11 could not happen. Now there are those that claim a communist takeover could not happen. We all need to open our eyes. Obama is a communist and if given the opportunity he will be dictator. The kapo Soros who made his money through capitalism will finance any movement that will destroy this country. Revolution can happen and it can be successful.

  • Dispozadaburka

    He is just replaying what worked so well for him earlier in his life.
    Next thing you know he will be tracking addresses of all who oppose Socialism
    and put them in FEMA camps.
    Then he can collect the the money and gold that those
    terrible ,selfish, educated, entrepreneurs and capitalists have made.
    Next life is is going to reincarnate as a stone.

  • Dispozadaburka

    Pharaoh Obama.

  • Rifleman

    The green movement has always been red on the inside, like a watermellon. They've also always been so concerned with retarding US productivity and growth, that they won't bat an eye at destruction of the environment themselves to do it.

    • Herman Caintonette

      Not at all. I see it as the most prudent and cost-efficient course of action. I'm all about the green that the Green movement will produce: http://www.rmi.org/Content/Files/AnnualReport2011… It is achievable, helps our balance of payments (a lot of our wealth has gone offshore chasing crude oil), and reduces our need to maintain an enormously expensive military.

      • Rifleman

        So why are all these 'green energy' companies going bankrupt despite subsidies and preferential government loans? If they were so cost-effective , they would sell themselves, and wouldn't require government subsidies. And like I said, you couldn't care less that it's a net loss to the environment.

        We don't need to chase oil we have plenty of our own, we just aren't allowed to use it. We're spending far less of our GDP on the military than we did duting the Cold War, and spending three times as much to maintiain our welfare state

        • Herman Caintonette

          Happens all the time in start-up industries. Israel does the same thing, and anyone who knows anything about start-ups is that there will be more failures than successes. Moreover, China is subsidizing their solar industry far more aggressively than we are.

          Peak oil is a reality. We can make gasoline from biomass cheaper than we can via conventional drilling, so we don't have to despoil our most fragile and beautiful coastline to satisfy the Kochs' insatiable thirst for profits.

          We need to abandon Iraq and Afghanistan, and reduce our footprint in the ME and Pacific. Cut the military budget in half, and raise tariffs to counter Chinese dumping, and we'll have more than enough to pay for the social safety net.

          • taxpayer

            The auto industry did not start with help from the government, nor did the industrial revolution. Private enterprise, people risking their own capital, did it. They made sure that they had a good idea before they put their money into their enterprise. Government doesn't care because it is your money.
            If Obama thinks that Green is the way to go, then let him pony up some of his own money for these projects. He won't because he is too smart to risk his own money, but he is also smart enough to reward his friends with our money.

          • Herman Caintonette

            Different worlds. Henry Ford created a market for his products by paying his workers substantially more than the prevailing wage. We should take his wisdom to heart.

            Israel and China both subsidize their start-ups. Why shouldn't we?

          • Maxie

            If that's true you can bet those start-ups have a solid business plan and are based on viable concepts. The penalty for failure is death. Start-ups under Obama are just pay-offs to his supporters using your money.

          • scum

            Let's talk about the ongoing payoffs and payouts to America corporations doing business overseas. Neither party wants to seriously address the scandal of Exxon (and other companies) which pays negative taxes in America, and rakes in tens of billions on top of that, receiving your hard-earned $$ every year. Until you get real, tea parties are exactly that, meaningless parties of political theater and political posturing.

          • Rifleman

            They don't receive a dime I don't willingly give them, we just don't loot as much of their money as you want.

          • Rifleman

            Because we're not socialist, our federal government has no right to do so, and it's a huge waste of resources and capital.

          • Rifleman

            Thanks for confirming my points.

  • http://www.contextflexed.com Flipside

    So far, I have heard on FPM that George Soros committed the Holocaust, after which he invented Model UN, and then went on to invent J Street, and then organized the OWS protest.

    • Herman Caintonette

      …even though he has no actual evidence to support his tendentious theories (the Cain Gambit). I can say from my direct observation that Soros has no input in OWS' organic decision-making process. Frankly, about 90% of OWS' platform can be embraced by rational Republicans.

    • UCSPanther

      "Hey everybody: I'm a Ron Paul Zombie but yet I admire the UN and George Soros"

      • http://www.contextflexed.com Flipside

        It beats whizzing my pants over George Soros. You stink of fear.

      • Herman Caintonette

        I cast my vote for Paul in the '08 primaries, and had high hopes both for Obama and the Tea Party. OWS is Tea Party 2.0, and it appears to be avoiding the fatal mistakes the Teabaggers (get over it — getting teabagged is fun, guys!) made.

        On balance, the UN is a force for good in the world. Problem is, our government only signs treaties, as opposed to implementing them, which means that we do not see the good it does on our own shores.

        • taxpayer

          If you believe that the UN is a force for good in the world, then you are beyond help.
          Ron Paul is against our participating in the UN and their corrupt programs. How do you reconcile these polar opposites?

          • Herman Caintonette

            Where he is right, 70% of Americans support him. Where he is wrong, he is so wrong that he could not possibly implement his prescriptions. As such, he is the perfect candidate: one who could do no harm.

            If you think that the UN has not been a force for good, you are simply ignorant.

          • wobble

            Sure, the UN is a force for good — their primary goal seems to be to destroy Israel which would obviously make you very happy.

          • http://www.contextflexed.com Flipside

            You don’t have to reconcile all polar opposites. They can exist without having to be stamped out, especially if you don’t have an extremist’s worldview.

      • scum

        Don't speak ill about your good buddy Ron Paul (and his son).

  • Herman Caintonette

    Darth Vadum: "the anarchists, socialists, communists, empty-headed Naomi Klein​ followers, and hippies now occupying Zuccotti Park in lower Manhattan."othing

    Nothing like name-calling to make your point, par for the course here. I presume that it is equally fair to call the author "Darth Vadum" (as he has embraced the Dark Side, and is supporting the Empire) and Team Horrorwitz, the "Zio-nazis."

    And it is well-known that the Koch Klux Klan has co-opted the Tea Party, through Dick Armey and Americans for [Plutocratic] Prosperity. Why is George Soros any more evil than David Koch?

    Darth Vadum: "It is possible that Soros secretly gave money to Occupy Wall Street through Tides. Since 2001 the Tides Foundation has given almost $310,000 to Adbusters, the anti-corporate magazine based in Canada. It is possible that money came from Soros."

    IOW, "we have no evidence whatsoever to support our tendentious slander" — Herman Cain Rules, in practical applicaton. OWS can take money from anyone; the question is whether it translates into a controlling interest in (or at least, substantial influence over) the movement. Anyone who has participated in OWS (I have) knows that Darth Vadim's supposition is sheer lunacy, as the way decisions are done is bottom-up, as opposed to the Tea Party's top-down decision tree.

    If the people agree with Soros, the problem is?

    • MLF

      Simpleton participation in OWS is exactly how the model works, useful fool. It's handbook Marxism, as pointed out by several Cold War trained anti-Communist insurgency experts. At least when things are over it's the collaborators who get the brunt of harsh treatment, after all their Communist masters don't want such an easily influenced rabble running free once they are in power.

      No real need to worry though. There are far too many plans and intrigues about these days for anything to come out as expected by anyone. In the end I expect that the current century will come out far better than the last and that the connivers on all sides will end up with the greatest surprise…and I am usually far from an optimist.

  • tullamore

    Tides Foundation founder & president Drummond Pike lives at 312 Montfort st., Mill Valley, turn off of Miller ave., Mill Valley's main street, @ 2 AM club. He drives to the Tides hq in the Presidio.

    • scum

      And your point is what, to kill his family? Inquiring minds would like to know.

  • Herman Caintonette

    Loupy: "It has never been disclosed who the investors in the Paulson and Quantum Hedge Funds were but I would bet that if the records were provided that they would show SEIU, ACORN et al, would be in the mix."

    And you would lose. SEIU's 990 for 2009 shows that they don't have any investments, apart from interest on the ~$10 million of cash on hand. Paranoia is a prerequisite for membership in Team Horrorwitz.

    • Steeloak

      No investments? So where is the union pension fund money? All the other big unions have pension funds, why not SEIU?
      Or are you just making stuff up again like you always do?

      • Steeloak

        Oh, and just so you know, the Washington Post has questions about where the SEIU gets it's money from: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/201
        Perhaps that could be a reason for not having any investments?

        • scum

          Unions are dead in America, so little point in discussing them. What I want to know is, is the life of the 'everyman' (or Nixon's 'Forgotten Man' so cherished by Horowitz) any better for it? The fact is, America's greatest years ran parallel with the rise of unions and the rise of American wages (in fact, THIS IS PRECISELY WHAT "PROVED MARX WRONG" AS A FORMIDABLE MIDDLE CLASS WARDED OFF FURTHER CLASS CONFLICT). We are no in post-America mode, with the neo-cons functioning as the true Marxists. Why? Because they're proving Marx is once again relevant: "The increasing immiseration of the working class will lead to conflict." The rich had their cake, now they want to deny it to everyone else, and eat it too. But the result of the race to the bottom (what FPM wants, as we see in the destruction of pensions and bargaining for state employees) will inexorably be the decline in American purchasing power. And that's the end of everything, because America was the 'last great buyer' in the world.' Expect the big crash probably in 2013.

    • Loupdegarre

      HC, thanks for the tip on SEIU's 990's. Since the funds mentioned (Paulson and Soros Quantum) were taking positions in Credit Default Swaps against Mortgage Bonds begining in late 2005 and iniciated the Goldman Sachs Abacus fund in January of 2007 I looked at the SEIU's 990 for 2006. It showed an Investment of almost $13,000,000 in "Other Securites" which are described as securites not traded on the NYSE or any other traditional market. So "Other Securites" could very easily be investments in a Hedge Fund. With your help HC you have brought me one step closer to proving my point.

    • Loupdegarre

      HC it's just gets better. I just found a Wall Street Journal piece from 2009 where the SEIU bragged how they spent $85,000,000 on getting Obama elected. Now where do you suppose they got that kind of money? I'll bet most of it came from the return on their investment with Paulson and Soros in 2006; stealing the equity from the American Home Owner. Again HC I cannot thank you enough for leading me to the SEIU's 990's.

      • Herman Caintonette

        And again, you would lose. The political contributions have to come out of general dues; it is not like a pension plan is their personal piggy-back.

        • Loupdegarre

          OH please, this is a Union, like they play by the rules. No you just flapped yer yap once to often and now it's bit you in the but. I've now got other people who are very good a research looking into this.

  • Brain

    why hasn't anyone filed a class action lawsuit against the people donating these massive amounts of cash to the OWS. The ones who give are the ones in charge of the movement, the movement which is destroying small business in Zucotti Park and Oakland. People should sue the organization for business losses, loss in wages, destruction of property, stress and aggravation and threatening public safety.

    • Herman Caintonette

      No one is in charge — that's what you can't wrap your mind around.

      • Earl Dinsmore

        That would be like filing a class action lawsuit against the corporations backing the Tea Party Movement, for the defamation of what used to be the Republican Party. And you know that's not going to happen either.

        • Herman Caintonette

          It's not the Republican Party I joined, so many years ago. I keep thinking that I can mitigate the damage from the inside, but it is getting harder and harder to justify that conceit.

          Today's Republican Party is the clown car.

    • scum

      You're funny. Or not…….

  • Herman Caintonette

    Panther: "And "99%" is a fringe radical movement. Most people have better things to do than to squat in public areas, harass others, demand handouts and in general, raise hell."

    Have you ever been to one of the Occupys? Working professionals are in and out; I'm in a professional education seminar (in a break) as I write this. I've been to Tea Party gatherings as well, and find that on average, the OWS people are far more eloquent and intelligent.

    • Ken

      I can tell you one thing, my kids wiould never be educated by you!!! I pray to Godyou are not a teacher!!!

      • Herman Caintonette

        Be honest: You don't want your kids educated; you want them indoctrinated.

        • Ken

          No, I want them taught the unedited facts and how to think in a neutral classroom environment, not one where left only teaches their dogma and repudiates anything else. Besides, statistics show that home schooled children do far better than public school kids. And, until the time when schools can claim they are just as good or better, I will be vigilant on who is teaching and what is being taught in schools, especially here in CA.

    • taxpayer

      Apparently, you have not seen the violence of the OWSer's. Burning, looting, destruction of property and assaults are the norm. How much of this did you see in any Tea Party rally? Didn't think so.

      • Herman Caintonette

        As a Republican official, I've been to both. The "long-haired hippie freaks" I talked to were, on average, substantially more intelligent and aware of the world around them than the Dixiecrats (the "Tea Party" is just the latest incarnation) who were dressed up in tri-cornered hats. Frankly, I have never seen more ignorance of the Constitution from people who claim to revere it.

        Revolutions are a messy business. The anti-war and civil rights movements of the '60s were for the most part non-violent, but you did have your Malcolm X and your Weather Underground. There is a lot of the OWSGA's Declaration which fits within traditional Republican philosophy; if you ignore the drooling religious nuts who think you can pray away the gay and their counterparts in PETA, there is the core of a productive movement out there.

        • wobble

          You're a Republican? Good Gawd, the GOP truly is going to hell!

    • Jimbo

      Hardly. Spent two days in and out of OWS Boston. I've never encountered a more politically and economically ignorant group as these OWS "protesters". The TEA Party puts OWS to shame in both political coherence and civility. The ongoing violence and malevolent behavior at OWS is about what I have come to expect from my firsthand encounters and Howard Stern's interview clips from Zuccotti Park are spot on. As a former Democrat, I'm embarrassed for OWS and those politicians that have vocally supported them. The OWS participants look, speak and behave like they are suffering from mental illness – it's just pathetic to watch.

  • LadyJ

    Never in my almost seven decades of life have I heard a president demonize and ridicule the opposing party the way President Obama consistently does. Re the comment by "WhatCrapIsThisSite": it is abundantly clear that he is drinking the Obama Kool-Aid, i.e. "extremist REPUBLICANS lie", "extremist REPUBLICANS are the problem", "extremist REPUBLICANS are in fact EVIL". Every political/govt system has flaws that need to be addressed, but America is still amongst the best countries to live in and the first choice of most immigrants for very good reason. It is disgraceful that Americans like WhatCrapIsThisSite, who benefit from everything that America has to offer – including the freedom to call Republicans "liars" and Patriots “extremists” – don’t see the difference between the more than 50% of decent Americans who are "extremist" Republicans/Patriots and extremist Islamists whose sole goal is the destruction of Western democracy and freedom.

  • BS77

    Soros reminds me of the guy in the James Bond movies…you know, the evil guy constantly petting his little white cat.

  • Steve

    Today in Palo Alto, CA the communist org Peninsula Peace and Justice Center led a "March of Shame on the local banks.

    • scum

      Sorry it took so long.

  • radicalconservative

    Herman Caintonette, you’re incoherent. OWS people have NO PLAN, no ideology to implement, no clue about wealth creation. The tea partiers, like me and my business partners who have six figure tax rates to pay, are highly productive and energetic people who believe in the US constitution and who could put more people to work if our taxes were not so high. The UN is an anti-American, dangerous organization.

    • scum

      The truth is, people like 'radicalconservative' pretend to promote lower taxes, but complain that only they pay taxes. They actually want taxes lowered for themselves, and taxes raised on the poor and unemployed (even though they forget that income taxes are on INCOME). It's like Bachmann, who wants to raise taxes on 46% of Americans. We're keeping score….

      • Maxie

        Conservatives don't want taxes raised on anybody. Conservatives want LESS government with corresponding reductions in Federal spending and overall taxation. It's you lefty moonbats who promote a bloated, inefficient, bureaucratic govermental monolith which wastes moneyby the truckload.
        As a "scorekeeper" you need a sharper pencil.

        • Herman Caintonette

          Translated, the military-industrial complex, which lost track of $2.2 trillion on the Shrub's watch. It's time to cut them off, and next on the hit list S/B Israel.

    • Herman Caintonette

      Bovine excrement on steroids, RC. Compared to most Western nations, the U.S. is a tax haven. Besides, you have to figure out some way to pay for the infrastructure that makes your six-figure tax rates (amounts, not rates) possible (like courts, police, jails, roads, and an educational system that produces competent employees). The Tea Partiers are, based on my enquiries, shockingly ignorant of what the Constitution does and does not provide for. And as for the U.N., thanks to it, the average Ivan in the former state of Yugoslavia than those who do not hold Platinum Citizenship here enjoy.

  • umustbkidding

    Has anyone seen how Wikipedia describes Soros and the organizations that he supports? Not the same picture at all. He is as American as apple pie, described as a hero fighting for freedom. Scary.

    • Maxie

      No surprise. Most of Wikipedia's articles are written by leftist academics.

      • Herman Caintonette

        It is hard to get disparaging information about living individuals into Wikipedia, due to the protocols they have adopted. Even Clarence Thomas' scandals have been whitewashed, so it's not a liberal-conservative thing.

    • wobble

      Kinda tells you something about Wikipedia, doesn't it?!

    • SamIAm4

      I just did some Wikipedia searches on Soros, you're right, most of the stuff up there is planted garbage. However, I did see this link on one of the pages…an article from Forbes that really gets into the agenda of his radical organizations like Open Society Institutes…here is the link: http://www.forbes.com/sites/richardminiter/2011/0

  • KJI

    Funny.

    Conservatives before OWS: "Get Obama outta here! Unemployment is too high! Where are the jobs Obama??"

    Conservatives after OWS: "What a bunch of lazy bums. Why don't they occupy a job instead!"

    You guys are being your own worst enemy here. Talk about easily manipulated by your media overlords. A group of people take your side on the issue and you demonize them because Bill O'Reilly and Rush told you so. You were JUST complaining about there not being enough jobs. Now your go-to argument is to tell Occupiers to get a job. Please tell me you realize how hypocritical that is.

  • http://Inthisdimension.com Alex Scipio

    Soros made his billions crashing the British Pound and leaving much of Britain’s 99% impoverished. He is doing everything he can to make more billions off of the destruction of the West and impoverishment of our 99%, and these ignorant OWS morons are his tools.

    Really on one question pertains to this enemy of civilization: Why is he still alive?

  • WorldViewer2

    you guys really think he is behind this? i just find it hard to believe. soros has led some of the modern world's largest opposition movements.

    read this article in Forbes: Are George Soros' Billions Compromising U.S. Foreign Policy?

    it makes OCW look like amateur hour

  • PAthena

    The OWS is a movement of would-be communist tyrants. They claim that they represent 99% of Americans on the basis of no evidence. Any elected official represents his constituents, but the OSW represent themselves, the would-be tyrants. Their attack on inequality of income distribution shows that they are communists – who want to distribute the wealth themselves, like Castro, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao Tse Tung, and to themselves. Their greed and envy are endless, one Steve Jobs has done more for the welfare of Americans (and others) than these people.
    George Soros has the middle name of Moriarty (see Sherlock Holmes). He is arrogant, thinks himself omniscient.