As Wisconsin Goes…

Rich Trzupek is a veteran environmental consultant and senior advisor to the Heartland Institute. He is the author of the new book Regulators Gone Wild: How the EPA is Ruining American Industry (Encounter Books).


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The clash between the state’s teachers union and Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker raged on through the weekend, with both sides digging in their heels. Madison has become the symbolic focal point of a national conflict between conservatives who want to reduce the size and expense of government and leftists who want to retain all of the tools necessary to continue the expansion of big government into the future. Thus, Wisconsin’s capital increasingly seems be turning into America’s ideological battleground, as troops and leaders from both sides pour into the city. The longer it goes on, the more is at stake for taxpayers and government employees throughout America.

There is poetic justice in the fact that this debate is taking place in the middle of Wisconsin. The Dairy State is the birthplace of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, one of the nation’s most powerful government employee unions, and it was in Madison that government employees first won collective bargaining rights back in 1959.

The state’s AWOL Democratic state senators remain in hiding at an undisclosed location in Illinois, effectively preventing a vote on Walker’s budget reform bill. They’ve told the media that they want the governor to negotiate with the union, and fleeing the state is the only card they have to play in order to make that happen. Walker is adamant that he will not enter in negotiations over the bill, even though the union now says that it will agree to the financial aspects of the proposal. “We are willing to take this as long as it takes,” Walker told Fox News Sunday. “We are doing the right thing. My hope is that cooler minds will prevail. Democracy is not about hiding out in other states.”

Pro-Walker demonstrators hit the streets of Madison this weekend, led by the Tea Party activists who understand the national importance of this debate. “Sorry we took so long Scott – we have jobs,” read one sign carried by a supporter. Local media described the size of the pro-Walker crowd as substantial, but much smaller than the pro-union forces. Hundreds of police kept the two sides separate and although there was much shouting and debate among competing protesters, no violent incidents were reported. National leaders and media personalities continued to flock into Madison to show support for their favored side. For smaller-government advocates, winning the Battle of Wisconsin could very well represent the tipping point that results in a cascade of similar dominoes in legislatures throughout America. It would be an important step on the road to restoring fiscal sanity, in other words. For government-employee unions, and for the Democratic Party they invariably support, that very real possibility is dangerous indeed. It’s not surprising that the rhetoric went far beyond what would be expected of a budget issue being debated in a medium sized Midwestern state.

“Go out in the street, all you have to do is look out there,” national AFL-CIO President Richard L. Trumka told demonstrators. “People are tired. People are fed up. People are saying, ‘Enough is enough.’ You’re beyond the limit of what’s decent. If you want to negotiate, we’ll help you. This is all about union-busting.”

“This is history,” Andrew Breitbart declared in a speech to the pro-Walker faction. “We are going to let the American people know, in every single state, that we have every governor and every legislator’s back. We are the modern-day peace movement. This is the peace movement.” He pointed across the square to where union supporters marched and concluded: “that is where the anarchists are.”

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  • http://www.fxexchangerate.com/ fxgeorges

    the unions would not have a problem if they didnt need tax payers money to stay a-float—they are over paid and the benefits compaired to the private sector is rediculous—-it takes money from people that cant afford healthcare to pay for healthcare for an over paid union worker

    • thomas paine

      “This is history,” Andrew Breitbart declared in a speech to the pro-Walker faction. “We are going to let the American people know, in every single state, that we have every governor and every legislator’s back. We are the modern-day peace movement. This is the peace movement.” He pointed across the square to where union supporters marched and concluded: “that is where the anarchists are.”

      apparantly the same anarchists who are in favor of big government regulating every aspect of our lives that we hear the right wing talking about so much

  • http://www.facebook.com/al-kidya al Kidya

    The teachers and other lazy government employees have it made and they know it.
    How many other employees can save up sick days and get paid for them?
    How many employees get bottomless guranteed pensions, paid sabaticals and more perks than the average joe?
    How many people are simply looking for work?
    These nutjobs should be happy as hell they've got jobs to go to.
    If they don't like it they should quit and open up an opportunity for someone who wants to work.

  • http://www.therepublicrevealed.com/ Victor Laslow

    The true Obama agenda shines through as we see the teachers attending the demonstrations bring with them their students who as seen on the news reports have no idea why they are there. This is the progressive’s way of education.
    One priority is never to educate the people enough so they could better themselves and provide a better life for their future generations. Instead keeping them ignorant so their largest contribution in life other than being cattle is to demonstrate for the progressive elite, for this they teach social activism in place of social studies, how to hold up signs and demonstrate even if the signs are spelled wrong. http://www.therepublicrevealed.com/forums/index.p

    • Jim_C

      If education is so ineffective how do we manage to keep pumping out thousands of doctors, engineers, computer scientists, accountants, physicists, musicians, biologists, etc? According to you no one should be fit to do much more than dig a ditch.

      • waltw

        Unfortunately, those 'thousands' of doctors, engineers, computer scientists, etc. that you write about are increasingly foreigners … percentage wise, few American students are up to the challenge of a scientific degree any longer.

  • http://theoldgeek.com Bob Madden

    While the perception of a "limitless pool of money" may be part of the problem it is not the main factor.

    When negotiations take place you assume an adversarial relationship. However, when the elected official on one side of that table was elected with union money, and influence you change that dynamic. Instead of an adversarial relationship you basically have 2 union representatives on either side of the table. One says jump, and the other says How High? What is missing is anyone representing the taxpayer in this scenario.

    This can only happen with public unions. They should by all rights be illegal.

  • Steve Chavez

    WHY is it harder to FIRE a BAD teacher than it is for a CUBAN to DEFECT from "Paradise?" Both UNIONS and CUBA are run by MARXIST MAFIAS and the American Left, Obama, and Hillary SUPPORT BOTH! While PROTESTS are fomenting around the world to rid it of its dicatators and despots, who have enslaved the masses by their totalitarian rules, OBAMA supports the Wisconsin protesters, that will keep on, "with force if necessary," the SHACKLES OF UNIONISM, while he supports the removal of SHACKLES in the Middle East! I can't wait till he has to CHOKE on his own words when the people of CUBA rise up to remove their DICTATOR OF FIFTY YEARS, THE WORLD'S LONGEST!!! I bet he'll support his hero when he mows down "those counter-revolutionaries," as he would also support and order the mowing down of the "those tea-partiers!"

  • Amused

    Tea Party Chairman Mark Williams :
    Our goal is to make the gathering look as greedy and goonish as we know that it is, ding their credibility with the media and exploit the lazy reporters who just want dramatic shots and outrageous quotes for headlines. Even if it becomes known that we are plants the quotes and pictures will linger as defacto truth.- endquote

    Is anyone surprised ?

    • Jim

      Document your source. Where and when was this said? What was the context? Give the citation for this quote!

    • KDee

      That actually sounds like OFA or Trumka or the lefty media itself. I am surprised that he would stoop down to the levels the Unions and democrats have been playing for years now. But he is correct. Teachers and those unions are very greedy. They make three times what I make and I honestly cannot afford to keep them in Cadillac benefits and huge slaries and pensions. I just dont make that much

    • JoJoJams

      A google search finds this quote!!! Ahemm. Only on Leftist sites….. No where is there an actual citation/you-tube video – or anything. this was a made up plant/story by the left. And it actually is indicative of the left's tactics re: the teaparty gatherings. Incredible! But straight out of their playbook. Accuse the "enemy" of what they, themselves, are doing…. Too funny! (if it weren't so sad…)

  • Amused

    Denigrate , Slander and Accuse ….."the American way " huh ?

  • Amused

    FREEDOM TO DISSENT / FREEDOM TO ASSEMBLY / FREEDOM TO PROTEST ….American RIGHTS , but those who do are called "radical leftist homosexuals " , "unruly mobs " blah blah , blah .
    Who is behaving as FACISTS ?????

  • Amused

    Wrap yourselves in the Constitution , but DON'T READ IT !!!!

  • Amused

    LOL…..it seems the Tea Party will be the new "brown shirts " , maybe they'll start busting heads . And if you scream and whine loud enough , maybe Walker will call nouit the National Guard …"to put down these trouble making Americans " exercising their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS .

    • Spider

      These government workers are engaged in an illegal strike to shut down government services. They are allowed to be heard but wlaking off the job is against the law and not constitutionally protected. The reason it is against the law is to prevent portions of the government from being shut down as you are seeing here…

  • Steve Chavez

    To Amused: And what did the Left, Obama, Pelosi, and others call the "Tea Party?"
    These Union protesters are now using "Hitler" signs that they blamed the Tea Party of using?
    Using DOCTORS to commit fraud?
    THE AMERICAN'S ARE FINALLY SEEING THE TRUTH OF WHO THE "MARXISTS" ARE! "No dissent allowed!"

    "The Freedom of the Constitution to Overthrow the Constitution!"

    "Democracy to overthrow Democracy!"

    Steve Chavez

  • Amused

    Steve Chavez says "busting heads is the job of unions " ….here he shows his utter lack of knowledge of Labor History in this coiuntry , and that's because he'd rather parrot the demagogues than actually use effort to learn .

  • Amused

    Hey Steve look up the dockworkers strike in San Francisco in the 40's where the SFPD shot dowen strikers , oir look up Pinkertons how they murdered Coal Miners in West Virginia , or Henry Fords Goon Squads . Most of you here ranting about Unions lack education .

  • azjohnny

    unions and their lacky, the donkey party dolts, should be classified as a criminal enterprise.

  • Amused

    YOU SHOW ME SMART GUY CHAVEZ , HOW THE PROTESTS IN WISCONSIN ARE "OVERTHROWING THE CONSTITUTION " …GO AHEAD GENIUS , LIST WHAT CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS THEY ARE VIOLATING ……you've got absolutely no idea of what you're talking about Chavez ……go read the Constitution and Bill of Rights before you open your mouth and spew anymore LIES.

    • Steve Chavez

      I came up with the "Freedom of the Constitution to Overthrow the Constitution" when I attended a meeting by the New Mexico Marxist Educators for Socialist Action. The head of the group, Gerry Bradley, denied was a Marxist after I asked him at his NM Peace Council meeting. (World Peace Council started by Soviets 1949-run by KGB!) The guest speaker, George Meyers, Chairman of the Labor Department CPUSA, advocated in a University of NM classroom (F of Assembly) to "overthrow the United States through force if necessary! Brother against Brother!" He also said after my question as to how: "We're going to fill the ranks of our Army with the homeless and unemployed!" (F of Speech) GO TO CPUSA.ORG AND PWW.ORG AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THEY SEEK OUR OVERTHROW USING THE "FREEDOMS OF THE CONSTITUTION TO OVERTHROW THE CONSTITUTION!" I did see an article that said it was "brother" on the Union side against a "brother" on the Pro-Governor side. "BROTHER AGAINST BROTHER" LITERALLY!!!

      • Steve Chavez

        My reply: Comment must be approved. Sometimes it does show up. In the meantime, go smoke a joint!

  • Amused

    Sorry that was Davarino who stated "busting heads was the job of unions " . Davarino is equally uneducated in Union /Labor history in this country . But hey your political party would keep you ignorant , a vote is a vote eh ?

  • Amused

    That's the reason why Boehner when pressed on National TV ,could not get himself to admit Obama was actually born in Hawaii . Didn't want to alienate those ignorant Birther votes .

  • Amused

    Tea Party Strategy …from the mouth of Mark Williams it's Chairman [ and dumb enough to post on his website ]
    Here is what I am doing in Sacramento, where they are holding a 5:30 PM event this coming Tuesday: (1) I signed up as an organizer (2) with any luck they will contact me and I will have an “in” (3) in or not I will be there and am asking as many other people as can get there to come with, all of us in SEIU shirts (those who don’t have them we can possibly buy some from vendors likely to be there) continued-

  • Amused

    - (4) we are going to target the many TV cameras and reporters looking for comments from the members there (5) we will approach the cameras to make good pictures… signs under our shirts that say things like “screw the taxpayer!” and “you OWE me!” to be pulled out for the camera (timing is important because the signs will be taken away from us) (6) we will echo those slogans in angry sounding tones to the cameras and the reporters. (7) if I do get the ‘in’ I am going to do my darnedest to get podium access and take the mic to do that rant from there…with any luck and if I can manage the moments to build up to it, I can probably get a cheer out of the crowd for something extreme.

  • Amused

    lol…….maybe some "stiff-armed salutes " will be in order eh ? Sure seems like a deceptive FACIST practice to me . Pretty well choregraphed propaganda dont you think ? And REMEMBER , Williams is counting on American Ignorance .

  • Amused

    …and all that AIMED at fellow American Workers , whom we all know , if in the employ without a union WOULD BE SUMMARILY FIRED JUST FOR OPENING THEIR MOUTHS .

  • Amused

    Mark Williams KNOWS you will suck it up …lolololol

    • Joekan

      Hey Amused…you DOLT. Got a question for ya. Are YOU gonna pay ME an increase in my SS Retirement this year or next? I mean that's only fair isn't it? I can sit around just like many of the teachers do for a considerable amount of time each year. There are many, many good teachers, but, there are equally many, many that are worthless and should flat be fired for incompetence. But, OH NO, the Union will protect them won't it?

      • Amused

        yea and you got cops who are crooked , politicians who are thieves , stockbrokers probably top the incompetent list ….what of them ? Are you going to cry me a river over them ? LOL….I think not . Standards for teachers can be negotiated , and enforced ….it's not written in stone . But thats no reason for throwing out unions and denying organized labor equal representation .. The door swings both ways .BTW , instead of opening your rebut with a juvenile insult , maybe next time you'll be mature enough to act like an adult .

  • Know the enemy

    To Amused:
    Do you not have anything better to do than parrot communist party crap? Go to work and take care of yourself and your family!

    • KDee

      Thanks for addressing amused. I didnt realize he parked his buns all over this thread. gee just a bit obvious now. He's a troll. Got it. Cant afford him either.

  • joe

    If I were the school districts in Wisconsin, i’d fire the teachers who have taken a week off of school. Public sector employees don’t need unions. I don’t know of anyone who wouldnt pay firemen and policemen what they are worth.

  • Atlas_Collins

    I wonder how much Amused get paid per post by some America-hating left wing organization?

    • Amused

      To answer two dullards with one reply , I work , I support a family . I've paid my dues and served my country , which I doubt neither of you two have even come close to doing ./, and again , no intelligent rebut or refute , just typical slander and Tea-head rhetoric .

      • Atlas_Collins

        Well, you don't seem to work very hard regurgitating what you're told to post at sites like this. Try changing it up a bit so you don't read just like all the other paid leftist hacks that haunt these places to make it look like the public support for leftist America-hating vermin is greater than it is in actuality.

  • JQR

    Provide examples where Tea party patriots are trying to silence dissent, or prevent freedom of assembly, or behaving like liberal democrat facists. You can't.
    It was / is cowardly liberals who fled the state who are attempting to shut down government and cause chaos. Teachers and doctors colluded and conspired to defraud the state of Wisconsin.
    How much does Obama's Demonizing for America pay you to post propaganda ?

  • Iron Yank

    I live in Wisconsin and we are embarresed by all the Liberal clowns that live down in Madison and regularly behave like this, its like San Fran in the Mid west full of left wing nutjobs and it is very satisfying to see them whine & pout now that they finally dont get things there way.

    Hey "Amused" you better quit posting spam & grab your Walker is Hitler sign & get back down to the rally where someone might actually care what you think.

    Walker for President!!!!!

  • Supreme_Galooty

    From the article, "… winning the Battle of Wisconsin could very well represent the tipping point that results in a cascade of similar dominoes in legislatures throughout America."

    Win, lose, or draw, the "Battle of Wisconsin" has ALREADY become the tipping point. People in this country who are not currently union fascists, elitist statists, or dupes have seen the behaviour of those folks in action, and they are disgusted by it. Similar events will play out across the country in the coming months to a greater or lesser degree, and the outcomes will depend in part on the results in the Dairy State.

    Keep it up you greedy union graspers. You are demonstrating to the vast sea of previously disinterested Americans who the real jerks are – AND why our children can't read, write or cipher.

    • Jim_C

      I think people's distaste for union heavy-handedness–which I happen to share–can easily be turned to populist fervor depending on how Walker plays it. The union said it would accept Walkers terms but it seems Walker still wants the whole magilla.

      As someone who has all the respect and sympathy in the world for teachers and very little for their sacred cow unions I find this all fascinating. I don't begrudge teachers their salaries. But benefits and pensions…those need to be remodeled.

      • Jim_C

        For that matter, the whole model of education in this country is 60+ years overdue an overhaul, but I won't hold my breath for that. One thing most conservatives don't do well is talk education (unless they are calling for the Dept. of Ed to be abolished, to which I say "Why not?") But if they got some creative, radical ideas in there, I bet you'd see some liberal leaders take to them. Could be simple stuff to start with– year round calendar with more vacations built in. Charging tuition. Same sex classrooms.

        • Supreme_Galooty

          Education is a term that eludes definition. Great minds have had a run at it. Mediocre minds (that THINK they are great minds) have as well. As it has evolved popularly in the United States, thanks in part to the quaint progressive fraud of John Dewey's 1916 "Democracy and Education" we now have replaced classical scholarship with "popular education." According to Dewey, popular education should be used as a conscious tool to remove social evil and promote social good. So the emphasis on history, Latin, Greek, philosophy wained while the public schools began cranking out "good citizens."

          Schooling is NOT education. Education does not necessarily require schooling, although it frequently employs it. A person with a great deal of higher learning is not necessarily educated at all, but an educated person usually has a great deal of acquired knowledge.

          If seven seals can play Lady of Spain by honking bicycle horns, are they then musicians?

          • Jim_C

            Meh…I'm all for your measure of elitism but I'd rather we had millions of people "popularly educated" than 10,000 fluent in Latin and Greek philosophy getting fanned in the shade while the rest dig ditches and punch out widgets.

      • Jim

        The people of Wisconsin voted to make Walker the governor and give Republicans a majority in both house of the legislature. Why should protesters get to water down the will of the people expressed in an election? So, if a minority shout, whine, complain, and moan loud enough, then the other side should compromise with them. I don;t remember the Democrats in Congress compromise with Tea Party members over health care legislation. They were load and complained but no one said to the President or Democrats that they must be reasonable and give the Tea Party a seat at the table. The health care bills passed without ONE Republican vote and the Democrats refused to write a bipartisan bill. As President Obama said "elections have consequences." Well, Gov. Walker and the Republicans in the legislature should say the same thing to the protesters: "elections have consequences! We are not going to give in to a small minority of voters just because they yell the loudest!"

    • Amused

      If your children can't read , it's because they have dumb parents . And the real jerks ? lol…that has yet to be seen .For those intelligent enough to see through Walkers opaque agenda , that answer is obvious . He'll cut taxes for big buisiness and take it out of someones hide , may as well be the union that didn't vote for him . Besides he's union busting and that's always a hit with republicans …always has been , after all they're in the pockets of big buisiness .

  • Amused

    P.S. No one need pay me to smack down dullards like you , I do it for FREE .

  • Angel Amador

    A possibility exists for Governor Walker to pass non-budgetary item with a simple majority. If this is true, then there is a remote possibility of taking the items like:
    • reducing bargaining rights
    • allow workers to vote every year about their union membership.
    And passing them with a simple majority which are in fact the most critical items the unions are fighting about.

    As far as the MIA Dems just CANCEL THEIR CREDIT CARDS and expense account until they are back in the chamber. If they want to play hooky, let them do it on their own dime.

    These are ideas were floated by API and picked up by Rush which he promptly blasted on the radio.

    It could get very interesting if Walker gets tough.

  • Terminalvelocity

    Amused is likely a dnc or union operative and debating him is a waste of yor time

  • Terminalvelocity

    Amused has union hack written all over him…whether or not he is paid for it is another story.
    All these trolls have a certain stink about them that gives them away every time-they always reort to ad-hominem attacks, threats, name calling, etc. Ignore the dolt. I block these degenerates whenever I can so I don't have to suffer trying to sort out a demented mind and thought processes.
    At the very least he is a jerk that gets off on yanking your chain. Reasoned arguments will never go anywhere with him…

    • Amused

      You ignore , because truth gives you a headache …lol…I understand . How you must suffer ! As for name calling , I think you've got dyslexia , all your hatemongering buddies are the namecallers , and haven't been able to raise onbe intelligent utterance as of yet ……read the posts fool . Like I said you guys are prime meat for what the Tea Party's looking for ….ignorant Americans .

      • Jim

        That's the pot calling the kettle "black." Read your posts again! You say nothing intelligent. You only insult people and claim they are dimwitted followers of some Tea Party fellow most of us have never heard of. You may be amused but you are mostly just amusing: that laughter you hear is people laughing at you, not with you. Given your poor grammar and anti-social behavior, I am sure you are used to being laughed at.

        • Amused

          Tea Party person you've never heard of ? LOL…you playing dumb dude ? Mark Williams is the Chairman , and in the very article we are commenting on of all people Adnrew Breibart is quoted . Who are you trying to kid Jim ? And yes anyone giving those to any credence wehastsoever are infact dimbulbs .

  • USMCSniper

    The artificially high wages forced on the economy by compulsory unionism imposes economic hardships on other groups—particularly on non-union workers and on unskilled labor, which was being squeezed gradually out of the market. Today’s widespread unemployment is the result of organized labor’s privileges and of allied measures, such as minimum wage laws, excessive benefits, and outrageous compensation and pensions all paid for by taxpayers in the end. For years, the unions supported these measures and sundry welfare legislation, apparently in the belief that the costs would be paid by draconian taxes imposed on the producers and the rich. The growth of inflation has shown that the major victim of government spending and of taxation is the middle class. Organized labor is part of the middle class—and the actual value of labor’s forced “social gains” is now being wiped out as was in the steel industry, and will soon be in every other unionized endeavor.

  • Amused

    That's a pretty big CROCK of B. S . Do you make it up as you go along ? LOL….there's NEVER been "draconian taxes " levied on the producers and the rich …who in the hell are you kidding?
    And as for unemployment ? You blame WHO ? the unions ? Really …are you that ignorant ? But then again Republican's and conservative's prime directive is to preserve the profits of big buisiness and the rich. So the rabid attack on unions is the expected pavlovian response. Part of your ideology.

  • Amused

    As for Unions disappearing , fat chance pal , this is a free country , not the big buisiness run ogliarchy you envision . There will always be organized labor as long as there are WORKING people ,and as long as there is organized labor , there will be JUSTICE in the workplace , buisiness will have employeres with equal rights , NOT SLAVES . It's a TWO WAY STREET , better get used to it .

  • alexander

    and why DON't the Republicans push thru some conservative ideas while the imbeciles are out?

  • alexander

    I would be fired if I walk out my job. Why don't they?

  • William Griffith

    Amused – Union membership has been and is in historical decline as a percentage of the workforce and for reasons on open display in WI. BTW I was once – briefly- a member of the Teamsters – a corrupt organization to the very core !
    "Working people" – Q : Please define that term . Exactly how are the" working people" better or differentiated from us middle class, self employed or otherwise types who actually pay the taxes on which the public employees exist ?
    I am NOT a Republican as I have long ago had enough of the Progressive idiots in that party – C Crist, J Mc Cain, Bob Taft, S Collins, et al.
    Since when are "big businesses" all run by Republicans? Ever heard of Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Progressive Insurance, Goldman Sachs, George Sorros, and a huge swath of Wall Street were leading donors to BHO in '08, etc., etc., etc.,
    Your cliched and thread worn attacks will not change the fact that the size and weight of gov't – local, state and Fed has exceeded the carrying capacity of the private sector.

    • Amused

      Gee William , I see readinmg comprehension is not your forte . My reply was to USMCSniper and his rant . I addresseds specific false or uninformed statement he made , and notions he imp-lied by them . As long as there are WORKING PEOPLE …who says that's just middle class ? You ask me to answer statements YOU have made , not statements I have made , or statements you have misunderstood . ANY working man, lower , middle or upper class , no matter …deserves eqwual representation in the workplace , and I dont think you are that naive to think that comes naturally from employers …it does not .That's why there is a National Labor Relations Board .Which is a last resort of sorts since most disputes settled by that entity come long after the employee has been unjustly fired or abusedf . Labor Unions through collective bargaining make a contract with management . which both must abide . And dont get me wrong, there are abuses ON BOTH SIDES . But a baseline is established ..Who said big buisiness was run by Republicans , I implied it was catered to by Republicans and it is . That's why republ;icans are always at the forefront of union busting

  • Jim

    How are they trying to prevent freedom of assembly? Gov. Walker has said numerous times that those in the crowd from Wisconsin have a right to be heard but so do the 5 million others in the state. Disagreeing with the protesters and criticizing them is not depriving them of their right to assemble. It is exercising our right to free speech to criticize and disagree with them. Everyone is exercising their legitimate rights. You on the left seem to think that once you protest, everyone should cave in to your demands and if anyone dares to raise their voice in opposition to you, then they are censoring you, oppressing you, silencing dissent, and preventing your right to petition the government. I know you are used to the victim mentality but let me break it to you: you're not victims!

  • Amused

    ….and you are correct , the size of government has exceeded the carrying capacity of the private sector , so why did Walker initiate and propose tax cuts which are without doubt , the cause of atleast half of the alleged Wisconsin projected deficit ? You mention "private sector " like it was another planet …State Employees perform necessarry functions that you would choose NOT to live without , and they gotta get paid JUST LIKE YOU , and FYI on average nationwide , they get paid 7 % LESS THAN those same skills in the private sector , in Wisconsin that figure is about 4-5 % even though most of those state employees that recieve less , have higher educational degrees . But the pay is not the argument , if you've been paying attention , it's the removal of collective bargaining rights that isd keeping the protesters coming back , and they will not back down , so Walkers got a stalemate , in which he will HAVE TO NEGOCIATE . Unions are in decline not for the reasons you would like to believe , but simply because manufacturing has gone overseas, where labor is not only cheap , government subsidized , and workers are little more than slaves .

  • coyote3

    Well there is some good news from Indiana. Got a call from a friend. A bill is just out of committee, and is expected to pass full vote without any problems, despite protests. It basically turns Indiana into a right to work state. No required joining union in any job. No requirement to pay union dues, among some other things

  • William Griffith

    Lets see Unionized state worker "negotiate" new contracts with – up till now in WI with the party(Democrat) to whom more than 90% of their forcibly collected union dues funded political "contributions" flowed. How nice – can you say pay to play ?
    The jobs are going overseas for many reasons – US has the first or second highest corporate tax rate in the WORLD, excessive and intentionally belligerent regulations from the local level on up aimed at removing as much money and freedom as possible from what is left of the "free market." Add a President from '09 and Congress from '07 controlled by Progressive Radicals who think we can power the US economy with pinwheels, solar panels and corn squeezens – an "energy policy" designed – DESIGNED to create "a crisis too good to waste." Yea – the EPA intentionally killing jobs from the Central Valley of California to the fishing grounds off the East Coast . AN ILLEGAL drilling permatorium –
    As an EX small business man – farming – there is ZERO chance of me trying to start or restart any job creating – RISK taking enterprise with this cadre in charge. MY business resume is thicker than 98% of the POTUS' inner circle ! I will NOT be a slave to the STATE and NEITHER will my children and unborn grandchildren. State employee compensation exceeds private sector employment in the majority of states ! A degree from X does NOT make a person more productive or entitled to public funding from cradle to grave – And I am just shy of a MS so don't go there .

  • dawning

    Ol amused is not very amusing..But his/her name is obviously designed to show how contemptable and beneath his/her need for serious contemplation of whatever any conservative might say. Most liberals have either a guilt complex or a poor self image or both.

  • Amused

    No it's called a functioing brain , that is capable of seeing beyond your rhetoric , accusations , aspersions , name calling and ignorant assumption .
    Contemptable ??? LOL….you guys wear that on your sleeves , you hate unions , you call them marxist , communist , you blame them for all your woes , ignoring the fact that 8 years of Republican Administration have put us were we are fiscally .It is YOUR LOT , that is CONTEMPTABLE towards anyone who disaagrees woith your skewed world view .

  • Ralphie

    Amused should seek a job that actually requires him to put time into his work. With all his posts he is either retired, on welfare, has a government job or disability. Go figure…

  • Wesley69

    Labor KNOWS this is about their future. Lose here and, like dominoes, their power and influence will fade across the country. Labor will see enacted more Right to work laws passed, allowing employees the right to choose to join a union or not. Such a law will cost the unions dearly. If Governor Walker emerges victorious, the right to collective bargaining will come under attack in many states. What FDR believed about public service workers not having the right to organize will be realized.

    Since organized labor is a key constituency of the Obama administration, Obama will be forced, as he was in Arizona, to take an unpopular stand. Not good for 2012.

    Hold on, Governor!!!!!! Don't let union activists undo the results of the November election!!!!!!

    • Jim_C

      "Results of the November election." Yeah, I keep hearing this "Elections have consequences" stuff. You and I both know if Walker actually ran on a promise to end collective bargaining/bust unions he'd have had no chance.

      • Wesley69

        In a state like Wisconsin, you may be right. Going after collective bargaining is going after the unions. However, Walker is still allowing collective bargaining for salaries, if I'm not mistaken. He could open it up to other specfic things. Then again, I'd like every state in the country to have Right-to-work laws on the books. Unions would not like me.

  • http://www.eurofrits.com/Home.aspx Dollie Holter

    Es posible contactar contigo para encontrar una forma de colaborar? Gracias.