Born in the USA

Rich Trzupek is a veteran environmental consultant and senior advisor to the Heartland Institute. He is the author of the new book Regulators Gone Wild: How the EPA is Ruining American Industry (Encounter Books).


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It took three years, a host of speculation, and Donald Trump’s rise to the political national stage before the White House finally decided to release a copy of President Obama’s full “Certificate of Live Birth,” issued by the state of Hawaii in 1961. The president claimed that he released the document so the nation could concentrate on more important issues. But that line of reasoning doesn’t ring completely true. Indeed, have there not been numerous more important issues facing the nation over the last three years as this controversy has dragged on and on? The timing of the release, upon closer observation, suggests something quite different: as the White House gears up for the 2012 election, and as the birth certificate issue has gravitated into the mainstream, the Obama administration calculated that it had reaped most of the political benefits of fueling the conspiracy theory through inaction. In just one press conference, President Obama traded in an increasing appearance of deception on the birth certificate issue, which Donald Trump brought into the mainstream dialogue from out of the fringe, for a well-placed and far-reaching “gotcha” moment.

It was clearly Trump who forced the administration’s hand, which has led many to speculate that Obama and his team allowed this question to fester for so long precisely because they planned to answer the question only when the timing was right. That is, (a) to make the administration’s opponents look as witless as possible, and (b) to deflect any further potentially legitimate questions about the many concealed aspects of the president’s personal history. But one thing is certain: the “long form” birth certificate confirmed the baseline facts that were contained in the “short form” certification of live birth that the Obama campaign released in 2008. The administration has thus silenced those who questioned the president’s reluctance to release the full birth certificate and also discredited those who insisted that Obama was not born in the United States soil and is therefore ineligible to hold the office of president of the United States.

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  • michelle

    it might not even be real:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeSzXcv3nXk

    • Fred Dawes

      it isn't real the word caucasian was not used until the 1970's white would have been in the mothers race and african was not have been used for his fathers race, this is one more joke but people will go along with it for many reasons

      • CHARLEY 60

        Fred, I was born in 1950 and my BC shows caucasian as the race.

    • CHARLEY 60

      Ok, say your right. What difference would it make? Obama would step down and the Vice President would take his place, with the same agenda. At least I haven't heard of him saying, he would have done anything different. This is like a bunch of people playing a game of Dick Tracy ,but overlooking the fact, that it was a "comic book". Then the race issue is mentioned. We should cheer his mixed race parent's. We learned long ago that cross breeding the races, on the farm, brought forth a superior animal.

    • psi bond

      The long-form certificate of live birth recently released by President Obama gives the address of his mother, but the investigators sent by Trump to Hawaii did not find her living there. Little wonder Trump reports that his agents are discovering very strange things.

  • michelle

    apparently, it is a fake document as layers mean photoshopping and not problem with OCR during scanning!: http://www.adobe.com/designcenter/photoshopelemen

    • Amused

      Apparently , you're a dimbulb . Lacking the wisdom to admit [ or he intelligence to even know] when you are wrong .

      • dissenter

        They raise a fair question: Why IS this document layered? But on the face of it, you have to leap to conclusions to raise a serious question, as it is probably a matter of presentation.

        If they wanted to forge the document, wouldn't they simply have printed out a forged copy and taken a pdf of it?

    • http://www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm Alexander Gofen

      "… the president was a dual citizen at birth, thus not a natural born citizen and thus not eligible to be elected to the highest office in the land."

      And that's it! The case closed! The nation is under illegitimate rule of the impostor, and therefore must immediately rid of him, nullify all his actions and assignments, and prosecute all the culprits.

      It had been the impostor's official acknowledgement since the very beginning, that his father was a foreigner, now "officially confirmed" with the just produced full birth certificate (disregarding its validity). What's more? The CASE CLOSED AND NOW MUST BE ENFORCED: Enforced rather than forgotten or put to rest for "getting back to something more important"… What can be more important than an impostor in the highest office?!

      • trickyblain

        Andrew Jackson, Jefferson, Chester Arthur, Woodrow Wilson and Herbert Hoover all had one or both parents who were foreign born. I have yet to see any argument questioning their legitimacy.

        Natural-born means "born in the US." Which Obama was.

        Case closed.

      • Amused

        You're a dual citizen Gofen , part earthling , part martian . And a mixed breed RACIST to boot . Who ya kiddin Gofen , you're full of sheet .

        • Supreme_Galooty

          When your mind is out to luncheon, as yours OBVIOUSLY is, no cogent rebuttal is possible. Derision, insult, and personal attack are red herrings commonly used by the feckless and inept. You brand yourself as a total moron – a total moron with no class.

          You are neither "amused," nor are you amusing. You should change your nom de plume to "Disgusting."

          • Amused

            Supreme gabooty , I already dealt with you previously , but if you insist on proving yourself to be the moron that I know you are , please , carry on .Gofen's a racist , no doubts there , although undetectable to your feeble mind , it does not change the truth . As far as the twit above , she doesn't even understand what she's babblinmg about , but just merely partroting Gellers well publicized accusation . , which Geller herself doesn't undestand .Idiot parrots idiot , Supreme Gabooty defends both . That just about defines you chump .

  • Lady_dr

    This makes it clear he is NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN as his father was a Kenyan and Obama Senior never even intended to become an American citizen which would have qualified his son as Natural Born.

    Very strange thing about this birth certificate – there is no weight or length (mine, not from Hawaii, has both). Nor is there a notation about the number of previous pregnancies (mine also has that). AND why was it signed 4 days later? There is no August holiday – so even if the official was on vacation someone should have been signing them within 24-48 hours.

    While the pundits are saying this solves everything and the conservatives look like fools the shoe is still on the other foot.

    • dissenter

      The Nordyke b/c is identical; for whatever reason, HI didn't think weight and length were relevant. As for the delay, the Nordyke b/c was signed SIX days later. That they are not in numerical order can easily be attributed to a typo, or a secretary doing the work in no particular order. Remember that comparatively, this was a world of stone knives and bearskins, and there are any number of plausible explanations for the facts we see before us. While the SSN question may eventually bear fruit, this is a dead letter.

      Now, if someone comes forward with a b/c using Obama's number, you would have something. But at this point, the odds of BHO's b/c being a forgery approach lottery jackpot territory.

      Yeah, the birthers look like consummate fools here. The chain of events that would have had to have occurred for the alternative to be true is so tortured that it is hard to imagine any sentient being swallowing it whole. Think about it: A poor African student and his 18-year-old paramour (were they even married?) could spring for ten grand (back when that ten grand was real money, and air travel was EXPENSIVE), just so that the very pregnant Ann Dunham (airlines normally don't let extremely pregnant women travel, for obvious reasons; see e.g., Sarah Palin & Trig) could give birth in the world-class OB-GYN facilities of Nairobi General?

      Obama punked you, and you fell for it. This whole Farah Fantasy never passed the smell test from the get-go.

      • phoebeintheforest

        Ann Dunham was enrolled in classes at the University of Washington, Seattle just 15 days after Obama's birth. Why doesn't it occur to anyone that this pregnant, unmarried teenager was packed off to live in a home for unwed mothers or with friends of the Dunham family? This is what happened to pregnant teenagers back in 1961. This was a major scandal for the Dunham family to deal with. Yes, I know Seattle is in the U.S., but it isn't the nativity story Obama presented to the public…so now he has to stick with his story! I suspect that technically Obama is a natural born American, but that at various times in the past he has passed himself off as something else…like an Indonesian. This would explain why he was able to attend public school in Indonesia, why he was able to travel to Pakistan (at a time when Americans couldn't get in), and above all why he was able to attend prestigious American universities on scholarship. The reason why his education records are sealed up is because he doesn't want the public to see that he enrolled as a foreign exchange student…and benefited from this status both financially and by needing lower SAT scores since English "wasn't" his first language. Smoke and mirrors….smoke and mirrors.

  • informer

    an other forged BC….
    If Susan Nordyke was born a day after (August 5, 1961) Obama (August 4, 1961), then, why does Obama's birth certificate show a later sequence (61 10641) than does Nordyke's (61 10637)? Just wondering.

    barnhardt.biz/blogimages/NordykeBirthCertificate.jpg

  • informer

    and BTW since when "African" became a race?

    even in S.Africa children born there nave race …like Negro or Negroid race,Caucasian race,Mongoloid race. American Indian race,… Never African

    Negro race – a dark-skinned race
    Black race, Negroid race
    race – people who are believed to belong to the same genetic stock; "some biologists doubt that there are important genetic differences between races of human beings"
    Black person, blackamoor, Negro, Negroid, Black – a person with dark skin who comes from Africa (or whose ancestors came from Africa)

    • Amused

      oh , get a shovel ! the B.S. is coming out of your ears .

    • Fred Dawes

      I made note of that at once caucasian was not used until the 1970's for whites. thank you

  • Robert Laity

    Obama is NOT a Natural-Born Citizen. A US BC will NOT help him. Obama's Father was NOT an American Citizen.

    The accepted definition of a Natural-Born Citizen is "one born IN a country of parents who are citizens". BOTH of them.

    Besides Obama has other legal encumbrances from being POTUS. Obama
    stands accused of TREASON.
    See 18USC,Part 1,Chapter 115,sec.2381

    • dissenter

      George W. Bush publicly confessed to committing war crimes. And there is a rather large difference between some torched yahoo at closing time accusing a citizen of treason and someone who has actually been convicted of it. Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, remember?

      IIRC, there was no serious discussion among the ratification conventions, or even in the Philadelphia Convention, as to the finer points of what that phrase meant. Could you point to some authoritative statement in Elliot, Farrand, the Annals, or Madison's notes proving that both parents needed to be US citizens in order for their child to be a natural-born citizen? Even a SCOTUS decision on point would do (but I know that there isn't one, because the subject has never come up; I think that George Romney [father of the current candidate, and former Governor of Michigan] might have had a problem with this, but his presidential campaign never took off).

    • trickyblain

      "The accepted definition of a Natural-Born Citizen is "one born IN a country of parents who are citizens". BOTH of them. "

      That's the accpeted definition by you. Not by any standing law.

    • CHARLEY 60

      Robert, We've had 7 presidents who only had one parent a US citizen when born. We were taught, back in history class, in the 60s, that in 1792 congress clarified this very issue. They declared that a child born of just one US citizen "anywhere" was a natural born citizen.

  • welldoneson

    The document released by the Kenyan Quisling is NOT a Birth Certificate.
    It says right at the top "Certificate of Live Birth", fergawdsake.

    Bam-Bam created this entire fuss at great expense, though not
    to himself, because he hasn't earned an honest dollar in his life.

    All he had to do is release the information that EVERY OTHER
    PRESIDENT IN HISTORY HAS RELEASED WITHOUT QUESTION.

    • trickyblain

      "All he had to do is release the information that EVERY OTHER
      PRESIDENT IN HISTORY HAS RELEASED WITHOUT QUESTION."

      Reallly? So you've seen the b/cs of Bush 1 & 2, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, etc? Is there a collection of b/cs somewhere that you can point us to? I really doubt Reagan was born in the US…show me his b/c, now, or it proves that is was a foreign interloper!

    • CHARLEY 60

      Tell me where to find Ab Lincoln's Birth Certificate, Grade school records, High scool records,Circumcision records, College records of grades, and friends who remembered him. This is of great importance. without this hardcore proof, it would mean he could not have been president. The slaves were never released of there bondage, and lack of rights. We can claim there property as our own.

  • Amused

    LOL…..I always said that the birth certificate was not the issue , it never was , it's raw RACISM , as the tools above , in their glorious ignorance and contempt so clearly show .
    You made fools of yourselves , and you should've been wise enough bto realize , that because there never was any doubts, except of course -just among dulllards and racists .
    So what's the new rant ? Of course ….it's a phony …lol…I predicted that too . Racistand bigots share a common characteristic ,,,,,,,,they are utterly predictable .

    • Realist

      It's a bit sad to see exactly who the readership is. How could anyone with any common sense believe that Obama's mother would travel all the way to Kenya just to give birth? Wouldn't there have been records of such travel, much easier to validate by the conspiracy theorists.

      And Donald Trump a hero?????

    • ravi

      It is silly to call skeptics racist. When Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Alan Keyes etc. Ran for President nobody asked for thei birth certificate. The fact it took Obama over 2 years makes one wonder. The fact that an army surgeon Terry Lakin ended court martialed and in jail for asking for proof of Obama citizenship it makes you wonder

      • dissenter

        Not racist; just gullible, and decidedly light on common sense.

        What amazes me about this is that so few birthers are also 9/11 truthers. Frankly, the fact that an experienced prosecutor spoliated evidence (firefighters wanted a good look at it, so they could learn from it a la the NTSB) is enough on its face to justify skepticism.

    • WildJew

      You may be (probably are) right. The birth certificate was and is not the issue. Your charge of racism I think is a stretch. It's about trust. Many Americans do not trust this dangerous U.S. president.

    • PhillipGaley

      And you actually "predicted that too"? Woser, you DEFINITELY are SOME kind a prophet because, no one else did, . . . we're ALL impressed, . . .

      • Amused

        No trick involved , Obama was what ? a Senator ?before he was elected Pres . I guess all you dimbulbs didn't know , or rather DIDN'T WANT TO KNOW , THAT HE WAS ALREADY VETTED BY THE FBI . So all your ranting about the B.C. could come to NO OTHER RESULT . Now if that makes me a genius ,. then so be it , but it makes you birthers utter IMBECILES .
        So ….if the shoe fits -wear it chump.

    • Fred Dawes

      Amused you are so stupid its a joke but we love you keep up your BS Its funny.

      • Amused

        Dawes , you and Lola oughta get a room , this way the stupidity could flow out the door . YEA , you're both racists , and thats becauser any bonw with half a brain would already have know that his citenship was already established when he was a Senator , by FBI vetting . So your rants , especially yors Dawes were based in RACISM from the getgo , and not injh any form of intelligence .

        • Fred Dawes

          monkey

    • Liberty Clinger

      Racism is irrational intolerance of a person because of their skin color or other racial feature. Those who questioned Obama's birth displayed rational intolerance of his failure to provide an original birth certificate up front. Those who oppose Obama's Marxist agenda display rational intolerance of an unjust political/legal system based on unequal rights and unequal law – where the Orwellian "Priests of Power" – the Marxist ruling class – is "more equal than others." Marxist tyranny has nothing to do with race; there have been and currently are plenty of white American Marxists (Alinsky, Clinton, Clinton, Ginsburg, Holdren, Sunstein, Geithner….

    • alexander

      "This makes it clear he is NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN as his father was a Kenyan and Obama Senior never even intended to become an American citizen which would have qualified his son as Natural Born.
      THIS DISQUALIFIES HIM< IF YOU ONLY KNEW OUR LAWS
      On top of it, the certificate was made of layers, which is a forgery": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeSzXcv3nXk

    • Vandaldog

      I despise his white half, too. Logic and reason, if you can't use it then call people names!

  • Gunner57

    We need to have forensic testing done on what seems to be a fake document.

    Obama just got caught lying. For the past 2 1/2 years he and his cronies have been telling us that he had ALREADY released his birth cerificate. We now know beyond any doubt that he was lying when he said this and did not care if a man was sent to prison over his lie.

    • dissenter

      Why does this document seem to be fake, Gunner? Because you need it to be so?

      In a legal sense of the word, Obama had released his birth certificate. The short form, appropriately endorsed, constitutes acceptable proof of birth in any court in the land.

      The idiot who challenged this without any credible basis for so doing deserves what he got. I don't see you crying any tears for Bradley Manning….

  • Amused

    And that "well placed GOTCHA MOMENT " , was inevitable , since Obama , like many other Americans , never reaklized just how many gullible idiots there are in the U.S.
    Ye , and it did take an idiot like Trump to supply the rope by which all you birthers can hang yourselves with .
    LOL….,just Monday :The Donald " was interviewed on nthe issue , and like all LIARS- "I got PROOF …but I cant say what " ….I've been told …..but I cant say who ….it's gonna be released ….but I cant say when …..it's not appropriate at this time …" Of course the birthers refused to consider that both as a member of Congress and Presidential candidate , he would most certainly have been already vetted by the FBI . So lets see what the "New Lie "will be . Oh you wont give , racists never do .

    • Steve Chavez

      And who was foaming at the mouth when DAN RATHER AIDED PASSING ON FALSE AND FORGED DOCUMENTS CONCERNING GEORGE BUSH? That was really bad wasn't it?

      What if Donald Trump FORGED Obama's Birth Certificate the same way Dan Rather forged Bush's papers? He didn't but Dan Rather is still on TV and sought after for interviews and they never question him on that fraud which Dan tried to use to influence a Presidential election!!! THAT'S SICK!

      Our problem with the BC was based ON THE RULE OF LAW, NOT RACISM! My problem with illegals IS BASED ON THE RULE OF LAW, NOT RACISM!

    • Princeton 1967

      The states, not the federal government, nor any arm thereof, have responsibility under the Constitution, to certify the eligibility of Presidential candidates.

  • geez

    I don't care if Obama was dropped off by aliens like crazy Louis Farrakham. The fact remains he will not enforce our laws so this loser has got to be put on the book tour with the likes of Carter and Clinton… more pond scum. Go mold Kenya in your fathers dreams. We can't afford anymore of your "leadership"!

    • Ali

      Before Louis Farrakhan became a muslim, he was a city councilor for either the Roxbury or Dorchester section of Boston. He tried to cede those two sections from Boston because they were black neighborhoods. He's a nut-job, flimflam-man, just like Obama.

    • ajnn

      Now this is the real issue.

      Obama is a very poor president and declines to enforce the laws and pursue the interests of our nation.

      Forget the nonsense, lets just agree to vote for the oher guy and get a new, better by default, president.

  • truthseeker

    I just can't believe my eyes. C'mon people wake up! Can't you see that you all allowed yourselves to be duped?

    The WHOLE eligibility issue is not about a birth certificate, or for that matter whether or not Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, Kenya, or even SasKatchewan. It's about whether or not he is a "NATURAL BORN Citizen (NBC) of the US, NOT merely a 'Citizen'!

    The constitution states "No Person except a NATURAL BORN Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; ….."

    Since "citizens of the US at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution" applies only to people living at that time, this no longer applies, the basic requirement then is that he/she be a NATURAL BORN Citizen!

    Well, what is a NATURAL BORN Citizen?

    In 1866, John A. Bingham, chief framer of the 14th Amendment, which granted citizenship to the freed slaves, wrote as follows: “Every human being born within the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty (emphasis added) is, in the language of the Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (NBC)

    Therefore, to be eligible to be president TWO(2) criteria MUST BE MET:
    requires that BOTH of the following criteria be MET:
    1) birth within the United States AND
    2) be born of parents owing allegiance to NO FOREIGN POWER

    If Barack Obama was in fact born in Hawaii he would satisfy the first of these. Hence the concern over his Birth Certificate as the one and only acceptable document as proof of the place of birth.

    BUT, the second criteria is one which he cannot meet because even though his mother was a US citizen, his father was not.. Rather, he was a British citizen. This dirty little secret that nobody has been inclined to talk about or discuss is why we've all been hoodwinked by the political establishment (both sides of the aisle, but for different reasons, all political in nature) as well as the media, which has been in the tank for Barack Obama since day one

    Don't believe me, or think I am stretching or twisting the truth. Consider the following:

    Former U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson, a conservative Republican, and Harvard Law professor Laurence H. Tribe, a liberal Democrat, were assigned the task of researching the issue of John McCain's eligibility to serve. In a March 19, 2008, memorandum, Olson and Tribe concluded that, “based on original meaning of the Constitution, the Framers’ intentions, and subsequent legal and historical precedent, Senator McCain’s birth, to parents who were U.S. citizens serving on a U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936, makes him a ‘natural born Citizen’ within the meaning of the Constitution.”

    Weeks later, in an April 10, 2008 statement, Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said, “Based on the understanding of the pertinent sources of constitutional meaning, it is widely believed that if someone is born to American citizens anywhere in the world they are natural born citizens. Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen (emphasis added).”

    With the action in the Senate in April 2008, we have confirmation of two things:
    1) That a Natural Born citizen must be born to two parents, each of which is a citizen. AND
    2) The entire Senate, in April 2008 was fully aware, and was even required to vote on the question of John McCain's Natural Born Citizenship. Is there any doubt that plenty of folks were paying attention then?

    Anyone have any guesses why Barack Obama's Natural Born Citizenship was never questioned back in 2008?

    Is anyone talking about, connecting the dots, or suggesting that CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS be conducted to determine all those parties who turned a blind eye and looked the other way while the biggest scam in US history was pulled off?

    Have we, as the beneficiaries of the freedoms won for us by our parents and grandparents and all those brave heroes who gave their lives or shed their blood, become too busy, ignorant, or disengaged to open our eyes and be a lot more attentive to what our elected officials and the media are doing behind our backs?

    • sodizzy

      Love your comment and the info provided. Thx.

    • sodizzy

      Love your comment and the info provided. Thx.

      OMG. Reading it….You are so right!! They slipped one over on us. If his Dad is a Brit, then he does not qualify.

      Incidentally, for all this time I have been trying to find the definition and the citation you have posted, specifically the definition of a natural born citizen. That is just how I remembered it.

      Boy they are tricky!!

    • WildJew

      The issue prior to Obama producing this long form certificate / document was not the definition of a natural born citizen. Seems as though there are several definitions, including persons born on American soil with one American parent. The issue was whether he was born in Hawaii or not. Am I wrong?

      • mike b

        You are wrong. The issue is whether he is a citizen, not where he was born.

        Mere birth in a geographic location is not the sole determining factor in citizenship. The original poster laid this fact out rather nicely.

        There are court cases — defacto law — which weigh-in against (unfortunately) the original poster's case. In these, for example, children born to diplomats on U.S. soil are not citizens, in the view of the courts. A child born to European citizens who jetted in for the weekend, setting foot on U.S. soil for the first time, to deliver a the baby, is a citizen, it seems.

        You should not be learning these things by reading a post by some dude here on a FrontPage forum. Our irresponsible news media should have been laying out all these facts and background and scenarios since Obama declared his candidacy for President three years ago. They have not. They have KNOWINGLY covered for this scumbag.

        • WildJew

          My position – since I first heard this controversy over his birth certificate – has been, we (conservatives) are wasting our time on this issue. Even if it were proven the man was born in Kenya, it would not matter. The American people elected him and he is the president; sadly. No court would rule against him. Better to put your efforts into removing this dangerous man from office in 2012 at the voting booth than chase after the wind.

    • Jim_C

      Adjust the tinfoil, and apologize to your president for your being a sore loser.

    • trickyblain

      What legal document (not something someone wrote independently) upholds your definition? How do you explain Woodrow Wilson, Chester Arthur, Andrew Jackson, Herbert Hoover et. al.?

    • zsqpwxxeh

      Truthseeker is, despite all the verbiage (a good indicator of a bad argument), dead wrong. The United States adheres to jus soli, the principle that birth in the country confers automatic citizenship. That's why we have the "anchor baby" debate: any alien here illegally can give birth and the child is automatically a U.S. citizen. The constitutional basis for this is the 14th Amendment, which specifically states that anyone born here, except perhaps the children of diplomats not subject to U.S. laws, is a citizen. If you are born in the U.S. and over 35, you're qualified to be President.

    • http://www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm Alexander Gofen

      Thank you, truthseeker. I highly appreciate the analysis you made.

      In response to objections of zsqp…

      "There is the text of the 14th Amendment, and there is a statement from John Bingham."

      …  and there is Law of Nation by Vattel mentioned in the Constitution. The 14th Amendment is about ordinary citizenship, not NBC.

      The difficult part of it all is that NBC is not directly defined in the Constitution, nor in any statute. It is explained however in Law of Nation, in Bingham, in Jay letters.

      And yes, up to the case of McCain, it was unambiguously understood according to Law of Nation! Those who refer (or invent) other definitions are attempting to twist the criminal reality into some semblance of legality.

      • trickyblain

        Dear Alexander,

        Since when do Swiss philosophy texts serve as legal precedent in the US? They don't. The US Constitution does not mention Vattel. It does not mention his definition of "natural born." You'll need to provide a direct quote to back up the assertion that you keep making.

        But British common law can serve as legal precedent — as was demonstrated in a case before the Supreme Court (US v. Wong Kin ArK). That definition, the only one ever used by an American court, tells us that "natural born" means 'born in the US.'

        You seem to have an enormous emotional investment in these silly fantaises, but it's time to let it go.

        • http://www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm Alexander Gofen

          "Since when do Swiss philosophy texts serve as legal precedent in the US?"

          We speak not about a precedent, but about the definition Natural Born Citizen. And such definitions of "Swiss philosophy" were operational for the Framers.

          "The US Constitution does not mention Vattel."

          The US Constitution does mention the Law of Nation, its Article I, Section 8 "to enforce the law of nations, in particular – against piracies"…

          "US Constitution does not mention his definition of "natural born.""

          True. Nor any statute does, nor any court has ever heard a case on a disputed status of a presidential contender. However the Senate (resolution 511) did hear such case for a contender McCain and they resorted to exactly Vattel's definition, which was unambiguously understood for all prior presidents.

          "But British common law can serve as legal precedent…" Really? Why not the Res. 511 of the Senate in 2008?

      • truthseeker

        Thank you Alexander.

        I agree that despite the lack of a "there it is, spelled out in black and white" definition of NBC, it is impossible for anyone to deny that the framers intended there to be a higher standard to be met for consideration to the offices of President and Vice President.

        It's true that they failed to go the extra mile and include in the Constitution a clear and unambiguous definition of the term, but there seems to also be ample evidence by their remarks and writings that the Law of Nations definition of NBC met their intentions in the matter very well, if not perfectly, and perhaps felt it unnecessary to go any further.

        I agree that there is and was a criminal reality to what has happened, starting back in 2008 when the McCain NBC investigation was conducted, and which has continued right up to the present time. Unfortunately that criminal reality, if/when exposed, will cast a very wide net and involve a large number of folks besides Barack Obama, and from both political parties and the media which was complicit in it.

        My own personal belief is that a back-room deal was struck between the two sides during the McCain hearings essentially saying "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours", culminating in the 99-0 vote to certify McCain's NBC status, and then in return the Republicans looked the other way and never questioned Obama's very obvious eligibility issues. By focusing all debate and discussion in the media solely on the topic of Obama's birth certificate, and by defining and targeting the group of Americans asking questions about what was going on, assigning them a demeaning name "birthers" and the branding them as right wing loons, they've managed to do a pretty good job keeping things under wraps until Donald Trump entered the arena.

        The rest is history, and now, as the stench emanating out of those actions in 2008 is becoming too hard to keep under the radar screen, both sides plus the media are working overtime to prevent the real NBC "problem" from seeing the light of day, because if.when it does, it's not going to affect only Barack Obama, but many, many other accomplices regardless of part affiliation.

        Despite the vast amount of guilt on both parts, I think it's fair to say that the finger of (initial) guilt has to point back to the Democratic party, who used clever and deceptive techniques to get their candidate through the NBC screening process, or should I say lack thereof)?

        • http://www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm Alexander Gofen

          Dear truthseeker,

          I agree with everything you wrote except the following two statements.

          1) "A back-room deal" between Dems and Repoobs and "reciprocal scratching of the backs" sound dramatically inadequate given the grotesque of that "deal". McCain "almost" fitted into the requirements of NBC (with slight stretch). Yet Hussein/Soetoro's biography violated every requirement of NBC. Soetoro's biography disqualifies him from obtaining any security clearance: not even to clean toilets in the White House. And we are speaking not about hiding something hardly tangible, but about officially published biography of a contender explcitly violating every point of the NBC requirements.

          I do not have nor offer any explanation, yet what took place between Dems and Repoobs is beyond normal understanding of a negotiated deal.

          2) Speaking about whose guilt was greater, I blame Repooobs more. Dems pushed theirs no matter what, why Repoobs and the others (see the link) cooperated and actually campaigned (!) for the rival.
          http://www.resonoelusono.com/Infamy.htm

          • truthseeker

            Alexander,

            I certainly agree with you about the fact that Obama is nowhere even close to meeting the NBC requirement whereas McCain was on the edge. Also no question about security clearance eligibility either, yet sadly he's now got access to every source and tidbit of US Intel (I would assume).

            As to the question of why the Repubs, never uttered a peep concerning Obama's NBC issues the only answer I could come up with is the they wanted to get their candidate thru and the Dems threatened to block McCain unless they turned give a wink and nod and let Obama go thru unchallenged. Then, once having made that "deal with the devil" they were stuck and then became embroiled into a situation where they, like the Dems, must keep the NBC issue out of the public's view, hence they join in the chorus to bash the 'birthers'.

            On 2) yes, I see your point and guess I can concur with it.

    • CHARLEY 60

      Your problem is 7 presidents have only had one parent a citizen when they were born. At the time our country was founded there was hardley anyone who could claim that both parents were citizens. Common sense should rule on what was intended. It's called History.

  • DogWithoutSlippers

    If the COLB which was issued in 2007 and released in June of 2008 why does Obama say "Two – 2 1/2 years" when it is really three years. Also, the type size seems to be different in a couple of places – why is that? I thought according to old TV flicks that the typewriter type was same size throughout. It seems fishy. Let the experts concur!

  • Bob

    Why, was John McCain accepted as a Natural Born Citizen?

    They said :Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the ‘‘natural born Citizen’’ clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress’s own statute defining the term ‘‘natural born Citizen’’;

    So they went back to the 1790 law .. which says that you have to be born of American citizens.
    They also said:
    “Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen,” said Leahy.
    Leahy asked Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, himself a former Federal judge, if he had doubts that McCain was eligible to serve as President.

    “My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen,” Chertoff replied.

    I guess what was good for John McCain .. doesn’t apply to Barack Hussein Obama though …

  • crackerjack

    As the rest of the world looks on in awe, the USA drifts into political lunacy. Obama seems to be to last sane political voice amidst Tea-party tohuwabohu, Palin stupidity and Trump imbecility.
    The suicide of a world power.

    • alexander

      This makes it clear he is NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN as his father was a Kenyan and Obama Senior never even intended to become an American citizen which would have qualified his son as Natural Born.
      THIS DISQUALIFIES HIM< IF YOU ONLY KNEW OUR Constitution
      On top of it, the certificate was made of layers, which is a forgery: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeSzXcv3nXk
      Too bad you cannot see through your hatred. Pray.

  • davarino

    Thats funny, he toyed with us on an issue that is important to at least half the American public and the constitution. Ok, now we know how he works and thinks. You win this one, kind of, cause its still a Certificate of Live Birth and not a Birth Certificate. But why spin our wheels on this issue when he is going to be out in 2012, besides we dont know what other tricks he may have up his sleave.

    • richard

      it's important to the other half as well. at least it would be if
      it were a republican in office.

    • Jim_C

      Whaaaa? Important?? It was important only to easily-led mouthbreathing dimwits. Now they're instantly on to other moronic "concerns."

    • PhillipGaley

      No, in 2012, he won't be "out", . . .

    • Amused

      Yea , he "toyed" with IDIOTS – People like you- better pray he's out by 2102 , for if he gets re-elected your brains will explode for sure .

    • Bokar

      you state "But why spin our wheels on this issue when he is going to be out in 2012,…"

      There is a very good reason to pursue the issue of Obama's Natural born citizenship. If he is NOT legit. ALL the laws, treaties and EOs he has signed are NULL AND VOID!!!!!

      He was in reality a DUAL citizen at birth which is why his college records were closed. We still do not know what country he decided to become a citizen of. The USA, Kenya, the UK or Indonesia!

  • Steve Chavez

    "RACIST" they cry just for questioning a LAW IN THE CONSTITUTION! Are we a nation of laws or not? The Supreme Court should have asked for the Birth Certificate from the beginning since they are the guardians of the Constitution!

    "RACIST" they cry just for questioning if a person is LEGALLY in the United States! Are we a nation of laws or not? The U.S. Government has failed to crack down on illegal entry and illegal expiration of legal Visas!

    99% of us want to UPHOLD the rule of laws CURRENTLY ON THE BOOKS! An opinion on an issue is not a law and those entrusted to uphold those laws, AND THEIR OATH, must do so and their opinion of what the law should be, is irrelevant PERIOD!

    Example: Abortion is legal and I don't like it but I must follow the law as it the current law! My opinion doesn't matter! "Born in the USA' is a law which could be its most important law even though some say Arnold The Terminator would make a good President. Tough luck! The law is the law. ILLEGAL ENTRY IS THE LAW! ENFORCE IT! (Being here from NM and tracing my ancestors back centuries, I haven't met ONE Hispanic from this history, or my generation, that agrees will ILLEGALS including most who are hard-core Democrats! We want the law enforced because "It's the Law!" Are we racists?)

  • http://apollospaeks.townhall.com ApolloSpeaks

    THE END OF BIRTHERISM IS PRELUDE TO MORE TRUMPING

    When Obama announced the release of his birth certificate yesterday he said that the Birther movement "bemused him." Bemused him? More like it AMUSED him. Whereas most grownups in his place would have put an end to the "silliness" of Birtherism by quickly releasing solid proof of his US birthplace Obama instead encouraged it while childishly delighting in it. In the spirit of bipartisanship and empathy he allowed the Birther movement to grow and flourish for thirty months for the amusement and pleasure of seeing right wingers grope around in error. Indeed, this was on the same high plane as inviting Paul Ryan and the GOP to a speech on deficit reduction only to humiliate them. It is that disgusting.

    Click my name to read the rest of this piece.

  • Steve Chavez

    Obama's silence and hiding the issue only led to suspicions and conspiracies. Any reasonable person would also wonder why he was hiding this especially after a mere phone call, and the BC appeared. It was Obama who should solely blamed!

    I too had my conspiracy theory. "Ann was visiting Kenya and had a premature birth, as witnessed by his Kenyan grandmother. She panics and gets the first possible flight back to Hawaii. She walks into the hospital. 'I just had this baby at home and I was alone (or with a midwife) and I barely made it but here I am and here he is. He's so cute don't you think? Nurse: 'Let's check out the baby and you to see if you are fine. You are so brave. When was the baby born?" Ann: August 4th. I need a birth certificate." Nurse: "We'll put you on our birth announcements and it will be in the paper." POSSIBLE? Of course it is. Where's here passport to see if the dates match? Where's her hospital bills?

    Why did Obama spend millions to hide this? The innocent don't have anything to hide! Is there top secret info on the BC? Why the fuss B.O.???

    • Amused

      You go on a mission to find out Chavez .The real secret is ……Obama said all along there was nothing to it , The State of Hawaii showed it and said there was nothing to it , the FBI who vetted Obama when he ran for the Senate , NEVER found anything fraudulent about it , and when he ran for Pres . he was vetted again by the FBI , to satisfyb the idiots of this country who wont take YES for an answer . Now you spin your adolescent bfairey-tale ? Where'd you get thawt from Chavez ? WHOare you parroting now , anothye arsehole you found on the internet ? Or do you have your "special secrit aagents " in Kenya feeding you your info ? LOL….runalong little boy , you're just another run of the mill racist . And a harmless one at that .

    • ajnn

      Hmmmmmm, you make an interestingt argument.

  • richard

    reasons were as i assumed. but at a cost of 2million to the taxpayers?
    smoke & mirrors.

  • richard

    what about the issue of where his parents were born?

  • jtbaumgart

    I personally had more of an issue with Mr. Obama's radical acceptance of Communism, Marxism and radical leftist agenda's. His cabinet appointments by people that embrace such radical agenda's is more disconcerting to me than anything else. The fact that he attends so-called churches that advocate anarchy and social upheaval are even more disconcerting. The fact that he knowingly associated himself with Bill Ayers ( a known terrorist ) to write a book is quite revealing about the man's character. Knowing what I know about Islam, is that under that philosophy, the offspring of a Muslim man are considered Muslims. The fact that he turns a blind eye to the border while Hezbullah and their operatives work hand in hand with drug smugglers to infiltrate our borders is what really bothers me. That in and of itself should be an impeachable offense.

    • Steeloak

      Well said, my thoughts exactly. There are so many other important issues to be concerned about with Obama that to focus on the birth certificate issue was just silly. That said, the man brought on the controversy himself by refusing to release the actual form. Kind of like John Kerry's never produced DD214. Even though I didn't doubt his birth, it made me wonder what he was trying to hide. Never occured to me that he was using Alinskyite tactics to discredit his opponents.

  • Jim_C

    As a conservative*, I'd like to apologize to Barack Obama and the rest of the country for putting us all through this idiotic distraction after Mr. Obama settled it acceptably long ago. Fools duped by Trump, most of the racists, don't deserve citizenship in this country–yet they have it, at our forbearance. We must watch over these unfortunate wretches. These people may lack all honor and decency, but their ignorance is not their fault. They are tools for their masters, who have been using this issue to distract from the looting. Statistically, these "birther" wretches are the least among us–least intelligent, least honorable, least respectable–but we must tolerate them as long as they perform their menial tasks in their simple manner. Forgive the dimwits, for they know not what they do.
    * 10%

    • Lola

      You sound alarmingly close minded and bigoted for a "conservative". Obama has shown disrespect for Americans and our military by refusing to release his documents. One honorable military man in prison for questioning the president's eligibility. Another relieved of duty rather then show the documents?
      The man lacking all honor and decency is the president himself. The fools are those who blindly follow.

      • trickyblain

        Uh, honorable?

        He is in jail for insuboridination and going AWOL, not questioning the presidents qualifications (which, as a subordinate to the CoC, he has no business doing anyway)

        • Steeloak

          Sorry, you are wrong. All soldiers are taught that it is their duty to disobey orders that are illegitimate, no matter who they are from. If a man is not qualified to be President due to failure to establish citizenship (and before you go off on me, I do think he was born here), then any orders he issues as CinC are therefore not legitimate as well. A classic example is a general trying to pull rank on a private at a checkpoint by trying to pass without the proper password. The private is right to refuse the general's orders & not allow him to pass. A soldier may be court marshalled for disobeying the order, but if it is illegitimate, he will be aquitted.

  • scum

    Again, Rich is politicizing the issue, in an article which says surprisingly little of substance. Seems that Obama is damned if he does present the certificate, and damned if he doesn't. Maybe next time he'll call up Rich and ask for his advice. In terms of the stupid article about the 'politics' of the timing, TRUMP HAS NOT YET ANNOUNCED HIS CANDIDACY. If Obama's decision was only political, he would have waited until MUCH CLOSER TO THE 2012 ELECTION, which by my calculation, is A LONG TIME AWAY. By releasing it now, he actually gives the GOP a gift, because by next November, OBAMA WON'T BE ABLE TO USE IT AS AN ISSUE, BECAUSE THE IDIOTS WILL HAVE RETURNED TO THEIR HOLE. Jesus Christ, give it a fuc##ing break, already.

    • Jim_C

      Trump hasn't announced his candidacy–but he DID manage to plug "CElebrity Apprentice" at his self-congratulatory press conference.

    • Gunner57

      You scumbag. You truly belong in the Obama camp.

    • alexander

      This makes it clear he is NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN as his father was a Kenyan and Obama Senior never even intended to become an American citizen which would have qualified his son as Natural Born.
      THIS DISQUALIFIES HIM< IF YOU ONLY KNEW OUR Constitution
      On top of it, the certificate was made of layers, which is a forgery: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeSzXcv3nXk

  • mike b

    Fourteen Amendment. Section 1.
    Does mere location of birth grant citizenship?
    Did the writers of the 14th Amendment understand that mere location of birth does not provide citizenship?
    Are court cases allowing anchor baby citizenship improperly decided?
    Does the 14th Amendment need revision?
    Did the news media abrogate its responsibility in vetting the citizenship qualification of Barack Obama, not only by not pursuing uncertainty about his birth in Hawaii (and the newspaper announcement and short-form COLB) but also greater uncertainty about what the "natural born" phrase means, what the 14th Amendmenet means, and the question of whether a birth certificate implies citizenship in all cases.

    After all, if I have to show a birth certificate to get my child on a little league team, why hasn't the news media been up in arms regarding a candidate for President, with a murky background, not doing this same task prior to becoming President of the United States?

    As with many issues, the villain isn't so-much the scoundrel we have as President, but the news media who presented him to middle America as an heroic American idol.

    • Jim_C

      He did show it, dimwit. Lord, you people are dumb as a box of rocks.

      Keep pushing–morons like you just make it easier for Obama.

    • jtbaumgart

      Here is the 14th Amendment:
      U.S. Constitution – Amendment 14

      1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

      2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

      3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

      4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

      5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

    • Amused

      Your child ? My condolences to your child , lets hope none YOU rubs off on him .

  • jacob

    In my humble opinion, his sudden rush to submit his "birth certificate" was the
    result of the stink raised by TRUMP and to me, this certificate is as legit as my
    claim to the Papacy…and we all know the power of the Presidency, specially at
    the hands of somebody like OBAMA & Co.

    Therefore, it would be interesting to watch whether TRUMP doesn't sit still
    and commissions some specialists to investigate the true truth of the issue,
    as it doesn't make sense this rushing to submit it after having dodged it so
    intensely all these years…

    His calling TRUMP a "carnival yeller" speaks volumes about the kind of
    person a lot of suckers and leftist pseudointellectuals made President …

    • Fred Dawes

      its sad to see a great nation fall apart right in front of me.

  • alexander

    look at that (and scroll down to se it all):

    http://www.thepowerhour.com/news4/obama_kenyan_bi

    And nobody remembers that the parents have to be American citizens….

  • Vstarrider in Idaho

    I am suprised that no one has noticed that the document is not "official".
    If you look at the whole document you will notice that there is no "official seal" from the State of Hawaii as required in the Federal Department of Homeland Security form I-9,Employment Eligibility Verification, used to prove citizenship. That form states under the Documents that Establish Employment Eleigilibility column:
    "Original certified copy of a birth certificate issued by a state, county, municipal authority or outlying possession of the United States BEARING AND OFFICIAL SEAL. (caps are mine).
    My occupation includes interviewing and hiring school bus drivers for our local district and I could not accept this copy as is it presented, to hire him because it lacks the seal making if official. the seal should appear down on the bottom of the page next to the signers signature.

    • Amused

      Yea man , no one noticed except for you , you're too smart for this country man , nobody fools you huh CHUMP ? With any luck for future school bus drivers , you'll get laid off , and if you live in Wisconsin , that'll be a distinct possibility .. Man what a SCHMUCK !

      • Amused

        Infact , If I was a parent in your school district , having someone a dumb as you , picking the bus drivers , I would have serious reservations of letting my kids on the bus .

  • http://www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm Alexander Gofen

    Mr. Rich Trzupek wrote a confusing or even incoherent article.

    However here is what he put exactly right:

    "… the president was a dual citizen at birth, thus not a natural born citizen and thus not eligible to be elected to the highest office in the land."

    And that's it! The case closed! The nation is under illegitimate rule of the impostor, and therefore must immediately rid of him, nullify all his actions and assignments, and prosecute all the culprits.

    Yet it had been the impostor's official acknowledgement since the very beginning, that his father was a foreigner, now "officially confirmed" with the just produced full birth certificate (disregarding its validity)! What's more? The CASE CLOSED AND NOW MUST BE ENFORCED: Enforced rather than forgotten or put to rest for "getting back to something more important"… What can be more important than an impostor in the highest office?!

    • Fred Dawes

      That is funny. we live in a madhouse, soon the system we fall apart and when not if its up to people to make it right or make it evil most will make it evil.

  • brimp

    Clearly the document posted on the White house website is a fake. The question is why would they put up an obvious fake when they could have put up a convincing fake or the real document?

  • Amused

    RACISM is alive and well in America , [not to smart either ] . Go ahead BIRTHERS , it's still possible to make BIGGER FOOLS of yourself . And 80% of the Republican party bought the same tripe you did …..people are seeing that ….lol…expect another 4 years of Obama .You folks are a pathetic lot .

    • alexander

      This makes it clear he is NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN as his father was a Kenyan and Obama Senior never even intended to become an American citizen which would have qualified his son as Natural Born.
      THIS DISQUALIFIES HIM< IF YOU ONLY KNEW OUR Constitution
      On top of it, the certificate was made of layers, which is a forgery: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeSzXcv3nXk

  • Amused

    Gofen , you are a dual citizen , part earthling part martian , and an ignorant racist to boot . Better find a new racist rant to spew , because this one's been put to bed .
    KICK yourself to sleep tonight Alex Gofen I 'm sure this is burning a hole in your gut ….and for people like you ….that's a good thing .

    • alexander

      This makes it clear he is NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN as his father was a Kenyan and Obama Senior never even intended to become an American citizen which would have qualified his son as Natural Born.
      THIS DISQUALIFIES HIM< IF YOU ONLY KNEW OUR Constitution
      On top of it, the certificate was made of layers, which is a forgery: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeSzXcv3nXk

  • Amused

    Oh yea , Gofen , you're right ,about Trzupek writing a confused article , that's what happens when a person is so used to lieing , that they trip over their tongue when they have to say something truthfull . Trzupek , in his pathetic attempt at backpeddling , fall flat on his arse .
    Trzupek a journalist ?? What a joke !

  • Liberty2

    Totally disagree with you. Since when does someone spend three years and millions of dollars defending the right NOT TO SHOW the birth certificate if something weren't questionalbe? Since when would the President of the United States allow a military person to be court martialed and remain in jail for nothing?

    Was never a birther but the showing of the birth certificate only raises more questions.

    See the Enigma Part I available on NewZeal and youtube. Totally historic and documented. No conspiracies……These questions will NEVER rest.

  • zsqpwxxeh

    What sickens me most that the endless Birther crap gives trolls like Amused a field day on this blog. Newsflash to Gofen et al.: Just knock it off, for crissakes. If you're born in the U.S., you are a "natural born citizen." There is only one other path to citizenship, naturalization, which is governed by its own laws. If you're born here, you are natural born–that's what the term means and is how it's been interpreted over the years by the courts. Either stop trying to square the circle or resign yourselves to being a permanent laughingstock for the Left. (If you're already stumping for Ron Paul, then never mind.)

    Obama has been president for over two years. His track record stinks–he is probably the most incompetent, duplicitous, and feckless chief executive this country has ever known. Let's put all our efforts behind the campaign to get his sorry ass out of the Oval Office next year in the landslide defeat he so richly deserves, and stay away from obvious traps lke these that make conservatives look like idiots.

    • truthseeker

      This probably won't convince you either, but here goes anyway:

      I think you are confused by the terms "Native Born" and "Natural Born". The first of these applies to someone born here, regardless of his/her parents.

      But that's not the case with a Natural Born citizen.

      Forgive me for repeating what I stated earlier but the following are not my words but those who made the legislation. As you read this, you might want to ask youself the question of why the Dems and the entire Senate investigated John McCain's Natural Born citizenship to determine if he was qualified, but never did the same with Barack Obama!

      In 1866, John A. Bingham, chief framer of the 14th Amendment, which granted citizenship to the freed slaves, wrote as follows: “Every human being born within the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty (emphasis added) is, in the language of the Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (NBC)

      Former U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson, a conservative Republican, and Harvard Law professor Laurence H. Tribe, a liberal Democrat, were assigned the task of researching the issue. In a March 19, 2008, memorandum, Olson and Tribe concluded that, “based on original meaning of the Constitution, the Framers’ intentions, and subsequent legal and historical precedent, Senator McCain’s birth, to parents who were U.S. citizens serving on a U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936, makes him a ‘natural born Citizen’ within the meaning of the Constitution.”

      Weeks later, in an April 10, 2008 statement, Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said, “Based on the understanding of the pertinent sources of constitutional meaning, it is widely believed that if someone is born to American citizens anywhere in the world they are natural born citizens. Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen (emphasis added).”

      • zsqpwxxeh

        I'll try one more time. If Obama was born in the U.S., by the Constitution and by subsequent judicial interpretation thereof, he is a "natural born" citizen. The citizenship of the father is utterly irrelevant, as is the citizenship status of the mother. The only relevant fact is that he was born on U.S. soil and was subject to the law (i.e., not the baby of a diplomat immune to the laws). The only legal issue is whether he was born there or not.

        Hawaii BC+age over 35=eligible for presidency. Your quotes of Bingham, Olson, Lahey, Tribe are completely irrelevant to this.

        • http://www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm Alexander Gofen

          You may try it million times, yet your statement cannot be true just because you said so. Nor is it a civilized discussion if you ignore every statement of your opponents instead of logically or legally disprove them.

  • trickyblain

    There are two types of citizen: 1) Naturalized (not born here) and 2) Natural born (born here).

    It's really that simple.

  • zsqpwxxeh

    You seem like an intelligent person by your remarks. Try to understand this. There are two ways to be considered a "natural born" citizen of the U.S.: 1) You are born in the U.S. and are subject to its laws (i.e., not a child of an accredited foreign diplomat with immunity); 2) You are born outside the U.S. to U.S. citizen parents. Case 1 does not depend on who your parents are; Case 2 does (if one parent is not be a citizen, you may not be "natural born").

    You are addressing the issue as if Case 2 applies. It doesn't if the child meets the criteria of Case 1. If both Obama's parents are from the planet Krypton and his mother gives birth in the Waikiki surf, the kid's a "natural born" citizen of the U.S. and therefore eligible for the presidency once he reaches 35.

    Don't take my word for it; do a search on "jus soli" or "anchor baby" and decide for yourself.

    • truthseeker

      Ok, if you are correct, please explain why the text "not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty" was included in the 14th amendment. You are making the argument in your "Case 1" that your NBC is not dependent on your parents' citizenship(s). If that we true, that verbage is superfluous and unnecessary.

      Here's what John Bingham wrote on the subject:

      In 1866, John A. Bingham, chief framer of the 14th Amendment, which granted citizenship to the freed slaves, wrote as follows: “Every human being born within the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty (emphasis added) is, in the language of the Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (NBC)

      • zsqpwxxeh

        Bingham again. There is the text of the 14th Amendment, and there is a statement from John Bingham. Question: Which of these two is the law of the land? If your answer is the 14th Amendment, then you may want to focus on what it says and note the difference between it and what Bingham said.

        • zsqpwxxeh

          P.S. There is nothing about "not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty" in the 14th.

          • trickyblain

            Although you and I may be on different sides of the aisle politically, we both seem to have some measure of respect for facts — something the birther contingent utterly lacks.

          • truthseeker

            I'll agree with you that the 14th does not contain the language that it's chief framer, John Bingham made in stating his opinion concerning Natural Born Citizens.

            However, and at the same time, neither does the 14th amendment seem to have anything to say about, or have any influence over the definition of a Natural Born Citizen. It seems to be referring only to what/who is a 'citizen'.

            I'll concede even further that I am not a lawyer and do not claim to have any particular legal expertise. I have spent 45 years or so in the engineering field and have dealt with very many similar matters in terms of engineering specifications, very complex requirements, and interpretations of such, which are in many ways essentially the same thing.

            If it is a stretch to bring John Bingham's opinion on the definition of a natural born citizenship, so also, I think is it to stretch the words in the 14th amendment and apply it to define or re-define what a Natural Born Citizen is.

            Also, it is pretty clear that what the framers of the Constitution were intending by introducing the NBC requirement for the offices of President or Vice-President was to try to protect the United States from the possibility of an adversary or foreign power to gain control of the reins of power in a Trojan Horse maneuver. I don't see the 14th amendment and changing or modifying that intent.

            But, I'm not a lawyer either, and am not trying to be argumentative here, but are you?

  • 11bravo

    I wonder what the left will label all of us who now would like to see ALL of Obama's documentation (that is in line with what other POTUS's have supplied)? Trump will keep hammering him and americans will become more and more suspicious of a guy who appears to hide his past; it is only natural.
    Swift boaters were labeled too by the left; how did that work out for John Kerry, did I say that out load? Silly simple minded stupid racist me.
    Remember; even worse than Jimmy Carter!!

    • Amused

      I dont know what the left would label "all of you " , but as an Independent and lifetime centrist , I label you IDIOTS .

      • Supreme_Galooty

        Step right up, Folks! More diatribe and adolescent insult from that mighty brainiac himself – Amused Disgusting

  • Supreme_Galooty

    Leftists can NEVER engage in coherent argument. It is completely outside the realm of their abilities, since there is a complete disconnect between their receipt of data and their logical processing of it. As can be seen here by anyone with eyes to see is one particular loudmouthed buffoon who posts offensive, insulting personal attack in the futile attempt to discredit rational argument, stringing three, four, five posts together in an attempt to emphasize his idiocy disguised as reason.

    Whether the released birth certificate is real or not, it is obvious that the man child in chief is simply a son of a *****. Merely being a son of a *****, however, is no reason to remove him from office. There are other, more dangerous things going on in this country and the world that make his departure critical.

  • WildJew

    I think there is much wisdom in the Founders' requirement that a president be a citizen born in the land; i.e., "one of us." Herein lies the problem with Obama in the view of many loyal American citizens. Obama is not "one of us," but neither was George W. Bush a loyal American in my view. Bush was and is a traitor. He sold out to the the Saudis. He sought to hide Saudi complicity in the 9/11 atrocities, both he, his friend James Baker III (Baker-Botts L.L.P.) and other traitors who defend criminals and murderers. Surely you would not dispute Bush's satisfaction of the Constitutional requirement. Would you?

  • Karl Stein

    The issue is respect for the Constitution of the US, which protects us all. The failure to release this"document copy" for 2 years is a reflection of the arrogance of Obama. As for the "document", there is a real question about the use of the word African for race instead of the common word Negro used in 1961. This makes the entire document suspect. Remember when the Democratic Party controlled state of Hawaii claimed that the document was missing. If someone claimed to have found an original Declaration of Independence, you can bet that there would be a demand to have the document scientifically analyzed for authenticity. Well, this original document needs that same type of independent scientific examination. This is unlikely if this action is just another dupe by Obama and his associates. And what about the 2 year wait and those millions spent by Obama to supress this and other information. What is he hidding? Obama has promised transparency, bu has failed especially with his personal information. He is still the mystery man.

  • ej.dickman

    IT'S NOT OVER!

    It's just getting warmed up. Already people who know about layering, photoshoping etc, have found this document to be "put together" "layered" in other words FRAUDULENT, Just like the fool that presented it.

    • Amused

      Looksd like someones been reading Pam Geller , and now parroting her ALREADY debunked theory . Yea DEBUNKED , better go check out your "layering bit " .Idiots who know nothing of this subject or the processes involved are especially gullible , but it takes " a desire to be a fool " dont it . You believe what you dont really understand , but it IS what you so badly need to hear , Geller certainly had know idea of what she was talkng about , yet made the accusation nonetheless , because she has the desire to hate vObama , it over ruled her reason , and she bit the hook ….just like you , and no doubt more idiots who will be spouting this lie in the next few days or weeks until they get smacked down with the truth AGAIN .Then it will be time to make up another lie to desperately cling to .
      PATHETIC .

  • MalcolmX King, PhD

    President Barack Hussein Obama continues to be the worst President in American History, and by far, the biggest Liar. This submitted birth certificate is a fraud, because the numbers on the birth certificate do not correlate with two twins born three days after President Obama was born. Also the USA Constitution states that you must be a "Natural born Citizen," to be a USA Senator or USA President. President Barack Hussein Obama's father was a 25 year old British Citizen. Because the African country Kenya, was a colony of Great Britain in 1961, his mother was only 18 year old American citizen. A "Natural Born citizen means that both parents must be 21 years old and born in the USA, for you to be a Senator or USA President! One final note, President Barrack Hussein Obama is also using an illegal Social Security Number, which was issued in the state of Conneticut in 1977. So just who and what is President Barack Hussein Obama remains America's greatist mystery since the President Nixon Watergate!

  • Steeloak

    Get over it people! Whether legitimate or not, Obama is the President and won't be going anywhere until January 20th, 2013, when we are finally rid of him. Even if all his documents are proven fake and he is impeached, the Democrat controlled Senate will never vote to convict – so forget it. We have to do the hard work of beating him & his party in 2012 (which shouldn't be that hard). Until then, Republicans hold the House & control a majority of state legislatures (redistricting is such a hard thing on Democrats). Obama's agenda is dead until 2012 and anything he does with presidential orders will be undone the first day in office by the new Republican president. Weeding out all the radical moles he is placing in the government will take a while, but can be done if the next president makes it a priority.

    • alexander

      This makes it clear he is NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN as his father was a Kenyan and Obama Senior never even intended to become an American citizen which would have qualified his son as Natural Born.
      THIS DISQUALIFIES HIM< IF YOU ONLY KNEW OUR Constitution
      On top of it, the certificate was made of layers, which is a forgery: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeSzXcv3nXk

  • Steeloak

    It is indeed in the job description to make that independent judgement. However, you will be subject to a court marshall and if you are wrong you will be subject to punishment. You get to exercise your judgement at the time, but the final say is had by the court.
    This is a well established area of military law, with many cases over the history of the military. All soldiers are required to disobey any order they regard as illegitimate. If you had served in the military you would know that.

  • Amused

    Once a birther [racist ] always a birther . Dont bother them with the facts , their skulls are too thick to penetrate . You people are a disgrace , to your country .Nothing but a bunch of pathetic racists wrapping yourselves in the American flag .Phony patriots . Hey man take off that flag you're soiling it .

    • alexander

      This makes it clear he is NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN as his father was a Kenyan and Obama Senior never even intended to become an American citizen which would have qualified his son as Natural Born.
      THIS DISQUALIFIES HIM< IF YOU ONLY KNEW OUR Constitution
      On top of it, the certificate was made of layers, which is a forgery: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeSzXcv3nXk

  • Audacity17

    This was a 2.5 years rope a dope to distract people from the fact his father was not American and he was a dual citizen at birth, hence unqualified. His goal was to release this manufactured "birth certificate" a few days before the election to dispirit people. Trump messed up his timeline. Numerous experts have already shown this is not a copy, or a reproduction from an electronic record, but something pieced together. No matter, he will be challenged in every state to be put on the ballot. SCOTUS will keep him off.

  • Amused

    Trump did nothing but prove in advance , that he is a Liar . I guess the last few day went down the ole' memory hole eh ? Trump said " I got proof " …."but I can't show it " / "My binvestigater found something " …." but I can't say what bit is " …and " I can't tell you who that investigater is , it wouldn't be appropriate " lol…. yea you Repo-cons would nominate a lieing fool like Trump , after all we got a convicted Medicare/Fraud /Felon , elected for Governor here in Fl.
    yea , you go girl , go for Trump . And lets see the one of the TWIT TWINS , Palin or Bachman on the ticket …oh whjat a circus 2012 is going to be !

  • voted against carter

    As a semi (due to Obamanomics) retired Graphics design professional,

    ( Art Director / Graphic Designer/ Illustrator) with over 20 + years CREATING graphic documents,… started in the non digital age,…. 1986

    If you want to counterfeit Documents AND have them be declared as “Authentic” the BEST way is to do it the “OLD FASHIONED” way.

    Ie use analog equipment. NOT digital.

    Equipment list:

    A BLANK original form FROM the correct year on the correct paper. If it is NOT available, YOU need to RE manufacture it.

    A type writer Manufactured FROM the correct year of the document being created.

    All of the necessary seals and stamps used to certify authenticity from the YEAR in question. (these should be REAL seals and stamps)

    OLD ink from the year in Question. If none is available, you need to RE-manufacture it to the correct formula.

    A Printing Press. and all equipment needed to use it.
    inks, paper, ect.

    A Stat Camera. Equipment to process stat camera film.

    The ability to USE all the above mentioned equipment and the LACK of fear at getting caught and going to JAIL.

    So concerning Barry’s LATEST attempt,…

    I would say FAIL.

    But I REALLY REALLY would like to see the REAL Doc. AND handle it.

    THE thing I find REALLY astounding is that Barry did such a CRAPPY JOB of counterfeiting a Birth Certificate in the first place.

    As far as creating counterfeit documents go,..

    The Birth Certificate is ONE of the EASIEST to make.

    Just say’n

    PS.

    Can you SMELL IT????

    That IS the smell of FEAR whiffing off of the Libratard TROLLs.

    AND they are OUT IN FORCE to defend their hero, little Barry.

    SAME smell that HAPPENS when Sarah Palin is given POSITIVE PRESS

    USE THE TROLL INDEX to judge a candidates viability.

    The MORE Nasty they get the HIGHER a candidates viability rating is for success.

  • Fred Dawes

    This is a great deal of fun to watch this NATION FALL for this B.C joke and it is as phony as you can get.
    But in a nation that has become a joke and wants to become a third world monkey state it would be normal.
    When the PRESIDENT Has to phony-up a birth certificate, its all over for that nation.
    The sad fact is when a people/nation is at this point it becomes funny.
    Most will never use any real gray matter on this one only people who can see will understand why obama released it now its part of the plan.