Union Fascism on Full Display in Wisconsin

Rich Trzupek is a veteran environmental consultant and senior advisor to the Heartland Institute. He is the author of the new book Regulators Gone Wild: How the EPA is Ruining American Industry (Encounter Books).


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The hypocrisy of the American left is on full display in the heart of America, as the teachers’ union in Wisconsin continues to show how it will use any tactic, no matter how reprehensible, to try and get its way. Threats, intimidation, violent imagery and inflammatory rhetoric – all of the sorts of tactics that the left and the mainstream media routinely accuse conservatives of using – are on full display in Madison. But, rather than condemning such behavior, left wing champions from Barack Obama to Michael Moore are falling over themselves to show solidarity with the teachers’ union.

Protesters carried signs likening Wisconsin governor Scott Walker to Adolf Hitler and Hosni Mubarak. One protester carried a placard that posed the question “why do Republicans hate people?” while others likened Walker’s budget cutting efforts to rape. He was called a dictator by some and an image of the governor was overlaid with crosshairs by at least one protestor. A rent-a-mob marched on the governor’s home. None of this behavior seems to bother leaders on the left, no more than the same kind of extremist rhetoric and actions concerned them when the left directed it towards George W. Bush for the better part of eight years.

Wisconsin state senator Randy Hopper, a Republican, told National Review that he and his colleagues have been receiving threats of a physically violent nature, and that law enforcement has stepped in to protect the homes and businesses of Republican legislators in the Dairy State.  And how does the President of the United States react to all this? Barack Obama, after all, called for more civil and respectful political debate in America just a few short weeks ago. Here’s what the President had to say in an interview with Milwaukee’s WTMJ:

“Some of what I’ve heard coming out of Wisconsin, where you’re just making it harder for public employees to collectively bargain, generally seems like more of an assault on unions. I think it’s very important for us to understand that public employees, they’re our neighbors, they’re our friends.”

Leftist hero Michael Moore was less circumspect, tweeting: “Madison is the new Cairo! Wisconsin teachers, nurses, firefighters — shut the state down! All of working America is with u!” Like the Madison teachers who are effectively engaged in an illegal strike, Obama, Moore and all of the rest of the left don’t understand what’s happening in Wisconsin any better than they grasp what previously happened in New Jersey. It’s not about education, it’s not about collective bargaining and it’s not about freedom and democracy. It’s about the future of America, it’s about unsustainable debt and it’s about making sure that our children have the same kind of opportunities that we were blessed with.

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  • jemc50

    Governor Walker may be forced into a Reagan moment. If teachers do not show up for work and are basically in an unlawful strike, maybe it is time to decertify the union. The unemployment level is hovering between 9 and 10 percent, there must be some teachers out there willing to take those jobs.

    • scum

      THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN UNLAWFUL STRIKE IN A FREE MARKET SOCIETY. What's your plan, bring in th military? That was the favorite tactic of the so-called 'laissez faire' capitalists in the 19th century. Call in the heavy hand of the state, but only if the state will bail them out.

      • coyote3

        Yes there is, it is called a "wildcat"

      • ebonystone

        If so, then there's also no such thing as a "scab". Let the teachers strike, and hire replacements for them.

      • Philosopherking

        That is true but it is unlawful for state employees to be on strike when the law forbids them to. Police can't strike whenever they want since public safety overrides it.

      • http://changingwind.org Toddy Littman

        The strike may not be illegal, per se, but being paid while on strike, via fake doctor’s notices, is illegal.

        Further, that the President of the United States failed to ask the democrats to return to the State as he should do as head of his party, is a direct violation of Article 4, Section 4 of the Constitution, guaranteeing a republican form of government to each State of the union. That is illegal and impeachable as a direct violation of the Constitution by the President of the United States himself, exacerbated by his own OfA being directly involved busing people in.

        So, in balance, the legal strike is fine, the illegal activities surrounding the strike, are not, and all should be punished accordingly.

        Note that they can hear a court case against a defendant “in abstentia” and I see no reason we can’t pass a bill in the legislature on that same grounds, where the true party of “no” the democrat party, is obstructing the genuine lawful process of a State. They took an Oath of office, and collective bargaining rights are not part of the Wisconsin Constitution, so…They best show up and do their job! Very simple.

    • Angel Amador

      A Reagan moment indeed. I am sure that they have very decent, honest hard working teachers. I even think that within that mob there are some misguided souls that bought into the union's party line. The union thugs are demonstrating the power they have over their members–by the way, I see a business opportunity here, "Rent-A-Mob R US"–these thugs are only concerned with power. In everyway that matters, the Wisconsin people are being fleece by these thugs. A bunch of extortionist and criminals that should be put out of business and in jail.

  • thomas paine

    i have no idea why you guys want to cut back on pay and pensions for policemen and firemen

    it's like you have no gratitude for people who put their lives on the line every day to protect you

    • http://theoldgeek.com Bob Madden

      We have all kinds of gratitude for them. We reserve the bulk of our scorn for their union leadership.

      • Colin

        Why are you so anti- Union, they have the right to collectively bargain, and why shouldn't they, they get pissed on by the government. For the amount of effort teachers put into their work they don't receive just pay. The distribution of wealth in this country is lopsided, more should be given to the civil servants that 'attempt' to maintain our crumbling infrastructure and educate the youth; I say attempt because they are given scraps to achieve the monumental task of making a real difference. Oh by the way why don't you people look up the definition for fascism. If you had looked up what fascism consists of you might realize that fascism and unions don't mix very well, after all think about all the unions that existed in Germany and Italy under Hitler and Mussolini (sarcasm) Imagine that… Hey Adolf, we were all talking and we dont like the long hours we have been working not to mention the jews you bring in here to work to death..So we were thinking you could cease that type of activity because we as a whole see it as detrimental to a productive work environment.. Such dissent wouldn't earn you better conditions, just a slug and a shallow unmarked grave. Basically Union-Fascism is a contradiction, read a real book sometime, perhaps by someone who has done some actual research or graduated from high school.

    • kafir4life

      From your comments, it's obvious that you have no idea what is in the bill. Congratulations! You can be a successful Democrat in most any state in the union!!

      • Jerry

        "Thomas Paine"s post is demagoguery because he does not specify what level of pay is reasonable. California Highway Patrol Officers make $150,000 in pay plus massive benefits and a 90% pension. Am I anti officer if I think $110,000 and a 40% pension is reasonable? What about the California Prison guard who made $300,000? Am I anti-prison guard if I want to cut his pay?

        If the pay is too low, we may fail to get good police hurting public safety. If the pay is too high, we can't afford enough police and public safety suffers.

    • Doug in Jax

      Because we're broke, and they aren't worth it. Any more stupid questions?

      • Pax 4 Dougie

        That's the spirit, Doug! Cops aren't worth it. You're a complete incompetent. At the wrong end of a criminal's gun I bet you'd pay plenty for a little police assistance. You wouldn't be able to get at your own assault rifle, let alone load it at that exact moment and it would really piss you off that you left your loaded sidearm in the glove compartment of your truck. And your pitbull, who's supposed to protect you is inside the chainlink fence behind your trailer. God, that's gotta piss you off!

        • The_Lord_Regent

          The fallacy in the "police assistance" argument is that the cops usually are not around to protect you, and several differently-composed Supreme Courts have all agreed that the police are under no legal obligation to help you or protect you.
          Also, modern cops exist to enforce the (current) ruling class' edicts, not to protect you, Doug in Jax, or anyone else. Modern cops are simply enforcers, not legitimate peace officers.

          • Pax 4 Dougie

            Good point, Lord. You've just changed my mind. Now I'm thinking we should do away with police. They're not really serving any purpose. Gosh, if we could just get you making all the decisions in this world, we'd all be just fine. Thank you, Lord! Praise you, Lord!

          • Grayzel

            Another fallacy is the police and firefighters are not in the bill……everything would be the same for them if this is past.

        • New Yorker

          Cops are not there when you need them most. They just fail to show up when called for. Apparently, communities would be better off organizing their own defence likehiring private security firms.

    • Gary from Jersey

      You’re more proof that hyperbole comes from simple minds.

    • Jay

      So don't do it

    • thomas paine

      imagine that

      republicans hate policemen now – they have become classified as "liberals"

      • The_Lord_Regent

        Republicans (the few who are actually republican in nature) simply do not have a worshipful attitude towards a badge. Get over it.

      • GKC

        Quite an imagination you've got there.

      • Grayzel

        Once again for the unlearned………cops and firefighters are not included in the WI bill.

      • Steve-o

        In Texas . . . a lot of my acquaintances are cops, ex-cops, ex-military; and they're all conservative. I enjoy their company quite a bit especially when we're talking guns and politics. They're not saints, and they don't pretend to be. They would be the first to tell you that citizens are first and foremost responsible for their own safety. They are there to mop up the mess AFTER the blood has been spilled, gethering and preserving evidence if a perpetrator ever gets caught; if the perpetrator gets indicted.

    • Fred Dawes

      its good to cut down pointless people, stop political pensions; cops don't need money many make side deals with drug dealers and others. and why pay teachers only if that person is working and only by the hr at $ 8.50 per hrs, and no pension, the monkeys can get SS At 70 years old, if its still here to get.

      • thomas paine

        thank you all for your examples of how "conservatives" now hate policemen and are willing to insult them

        i've posted your replies to other places on the web so that regular americans can see how out of touch you all are with american society

        • MarkRich

          You told on us? Oh my! I mean you went and told on us. Now we are all in trouble! Oh my!

      • DTomsen

        Fred, have you ever heard the term 'run on sentence'? You're another fine product of the government schools, I presume.

    • LibertyLover

      Firemen and police are generally exempt from the plans I've read about. They are SPECIFICALLY exempt from Gov Walker's plan in Wisconsin. Your obviously false assertion makes your comment pointless.

      • thomas paine

        even if that is true it doesn't excuse the anti-police rhetoric you can read here for yourself

      • Grayzel

        You are absolutely correct…..I live in WI and I could post the part of the bill that states that, if I have to.

    • Jerry

      Your post is demagougoury because you don't specity what level of pay is reasonable. California Highway Patrol Officers make $150,000 in pay pluse massive benefits and a 90% pension. Am I anti officer if I think $110,000 and a 40% pension is reasonable? What about the California Prison guard who made $300,000? Am I anti-prison guard if I want to cut his pay?

      If the pay is too low, we may fail to get good police hurting public safety. If the pay is too high, we can't afford enough police and public safety suffers.

      • thomas paine

        California Highway Patrol Officers make $150,000 in pay pluse massive benefits

        not actually: http://www.chp.ca.gov/recruiting/osalary.html

        but also, they are subject to getting killed or disabled every minute they are on the job. so are firemen

        and what do you do for a living? how would you like to be pressured to take a pay cut?

        • Peter

          So are Military personal and they do not have the protection of Unions or the pay of basic police officers. I say cut all police and firemen down to the same level as military personal.

      • Jim_C

        Jerry, I consider your response a perfectly reasonable question, and if state legislatures could ask that question in this reasonable fashion, state deficits might not be where they are right now. Of course tax CUTS have a lot to do with where they are right now, too, but I imagine you look at this as "starving the beast."

        Because of this I have a feeling the fellow in WI is settling a score and going for the jugular. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

    • James

      from what i understand, police and fire wont be affected by this bill

    • ebonystone

      Funny how the lefties always trot out the police and fire departments as the examples of "public employees". But when I think of "public employees", I think of the countless drones at all the "outreach" and "community relations" offices of every municipal and state department; the useless employees of agencies like EEOC and OSHA; all the hordes of non-teaching employees of the school systems; and all the street and sanitation "workers" who spend all morning in a cafe drinking coffee, and all afternoon in a bar drinking beer.
      Forty years ago, the standing joke in rural Illinois was "Q: What's orange and sleeps three? A: A state highway department truck."

    • hooter

      Cops and Firemen aren't effected by this bill…

      Regarding putting ones life on the line try thinking of our troops some on their 12th combat tour while we are BSing

      • MarkRich

        Exactly. Its all a canard. Those teachers are demanding the strapped public pay for their pensions and healthcare without any involvement of their own and when the governor says NO they throw a tantrum like all good little leftists do. But all this is good because this shows the American public exactly where the left is going- to the streets while the average worker in the private sector busts his/her as- daily to make ends meet. The left is cutting its own throat. The polls show this. So go ahead and call all of us conservatives mean and hateful and whats exactly new in that from the left? WHO CARES!

      • dtomsen

        The point is the left will drag them into it to muddy things up…. The fools who follow the leftists will just run their mouths about it. If you're against the union thugs, you're against cops and firefighters….your dealing with garden variety liars and followers who don't think for themselves.

    • Grayzel

      More:

      In May 2009, preschool teachers in Wisconsin earned an average salary of $23,460, elementary school teachers earned $51,240, and secondary school teachers earned $49,400. (2) Education and experience level also make a difference in teacher salaries: secondary school teachers in the 90th wage percentile earned $69,550, while the entry-level teacher salary is generally in the $30,000s. (3)

      Geographic location is another significant reason for variation in Wisconsin teaching salaries. Areas that have a higher cost of living often pay correspondingly higher salaries. Below are average annual earnings for secondary school teachers in five of the largest metropolitan areas in the state: (4)

      * Green Bay: $55,110
      * Kenosha: $68,400
      * Madison: $50,770
      * Milwaukee: $54,620
      * Racine: $49,710

      The MacIver Institute adds this (hat tip SteveEgg): The average Milwaukee Public School teacher will be receiving $100,005 in compensation this year – $56,500 of that is in salary, and a whopping $43,505 is in benefits.

    • Erich

      I hear it does not effect the Policemen and firemen?

  • kafir4life

    I've been in three unions. I'm not in one now, and never will again. I used my talents and knowledge to work my high school educated career into six figures (to the left of the decimal point to the libs here). I can negotiate my own wages, and live with the benefits that are defined by the company, OR I can find a job at another company that meets my needs.
    The part of the WI bill that I object to, is that the union members are prohibited BY LAW to find employment elsewhere if they feel that they are not being fairly treated!!! Oh wait……that's NOT in the law???? Really???? They're not being FORCED to keep those jobs????? Oops…..My bad.

    • Fred Dawes

      Union have a place in 1899

    • MarkRich

      I was involved withSEIU- they are thugs and liars(remember the black man who they beat). They believed every sob story from every clown who had one to get in a hospital I was working at in 2003. They wanted to know who I was voting for. They lied about their intentions and they basically used intimidation to try and force people into the union. I got away from them and that job eventually. My experence is only one and I dont know the ins and outs of every union, but from what I experiecned and see in the media these people believe that they should be immune from the ups and downs of the economy. While the future of our country and our childrens economic future lay in doubt the drones here come out utilizing canards like we dont like policemen or firemen. Well they dont like children or their country.

  • Steve Chavez

    UNIONS=MARXIST MAFIAS! Businesses that have to deal with unions are fed up with their OVERPAY and benifit demands that they just pack up leaving no alternative but to move to another country. IT'S THE UNIONS WHO ARE LOSING OUR JOBS TO CHINA AND INDIA!
    MY IDEA ON BAD TEACHERS: "Three Strikes and You're Out!" We've all had bad teachers and they can ruin your school career. "Easy" teachers get a reputation. They are "bad and lazy" and have no discipline or control! That teacher gets a reputation! If students give that teacher an "F," STRIKE ONE! They are transferred but after a week long summer course on discipline and how to make their class more interesting. Now a new school, no reputation. If they resort to their lazy/no discipline ways again and get another "F," STRIKE TWO. Transferred and summer class. Another "F?" STRIKE THREE AND YOU'RE OUT! THOSE TEACHERS ARE RUINING OUR KIDS AND TO H*** WITH THEIR UNION MARXIST MAFIAS!

  • Steeloak

    When Democrats win elections, we Republicans are told we have to be bipartisan & go along with the majority and accept the will of the people. When Democrats lose elections it must be some kind of fluke, the people are stupid, they will fight every step of the way and if all else fails, they will run away to try and prevent legislative actions they oppose.
    They tried and failed with the same tactics here in Texas when we elected a Republican majority & redistricted the gerrymandered Democrat districts in the state. We had a bunch of Dems run away & hide in another state too.

    The hypocracy on display is breathtaking.

    • scum

      THE REPUBLICANS GERRY-MANDERED DISTRICTS IN TEXAS SPECIFICALLY FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES – TO DISENFRANCHISE DEMOCRATS.

      • Steeloak

        If you saw how the districts were drawn by Democrats prior to redistricting, you would know how silly you sound. I lived in Martin Frost's old 24th district – it looked like a snake stretching over 30 miles between Dallas and Ft. Worth, avoiding areas of Republicans & joining up pockets of Democrats. Republicans were lumped together into huge districts that were 3/4 rural to minimize their representation. Republicans merely restored sanity and fairness to a patently unfair system.

        • Steeloak

          Oh, and minority represented districts actually increased under the Republican plan.

          • MarkRich

            Steeloak: Be careful: you are giving the drone facts and your own experience- I have heard that can cause irreversible damage to drones.

      • LibertyLover

        TO DISENFRANCHISE DEMOCRATS

        Sounds like a good plan to me.

  • Spider

    What we need is a Taxpayers union to fight this menace banckrupting our country. Let's start one now !!

  • tanstaafl

    Teachers are salaried employees. They don't punch the clock or fill out time sheets. Why do they get union representation? Janitors, cafeteria personnel, aides, secretaries – they are paid by the hour. But teachers have a contract and can leave early or late. It's sort of like letting the executives at a manufacturing plant organize while the production workers have no representation. It doesn't make sense.

    • scum

      WRONG: Teachers do not run the schools. Teachers are not administrators. They are hard working individuals who deserve your respect.

      • coyote3

        Let's get this straight. I am the one who decides who "deserves" my respect. I will respect them, when I deem they deserve it.

      • MarkRich

        WRONG: Some teachers deserve respect. Union thugs who abandon their jobs and lie and call in sick when they arent and who violate the law are NOT deserving of anyones respect.

        • Jim_C

          Where does the "thug" part come in, again? I must have missed the "thuggery."

          • MarkRich

            Thuggery is the mentality that says I am above the law- its as easy as that. This is a nation of laws. TOUGH IF YOU OR THEY DONT LIKE IT- The governor is right and he's doing what he got voted in to do. And yes I have had experience with unions and thuggery is perfectly acceptable as they verbally used tactics of intimidation and threats to get their agenda- asking how I vote and trying to intimidate. I call a spade a spade- and leftists hate it. It is what it is.

          • Jim_C

            No, I think first you need a dictionary. Second, you need to evaluate whether "thuggery" is only ever applicable to the side you oppose. If so, you might need something stronger than a dictionary.

          • Grayzel

            From the article above which I assume you did not read………Protesters carried signs likening Wisconsin governor Scott Walker to Adolf Hitler and Hosni Mubarak. One protester carried a placard that posed the question “why do Republicans hate people?” while others likened Walker’s budget cutting efforts to rape. He was called a dictator by some and an image of the governor was overlaid with crosshairs by at least one protestor. A rent-a-mob marched on the governor’s home. None of this behavior seems to bother leaders on the left, no more than the same kind of extremist rhetoric and actions concerned them when the left directed it towards George W. Bush for the better part of eight years.
            Wisconsin state senator Randy Hopper, a Republican, told National Review that he and his colleagues have been receiving threats of a physically violent nature, and that law enforcement has stepped in to protect the homes and businesses of Republican legislators in the Dairy State.

  • Aaron

    You realize that these democratic teachers and laborers are just playing off of or maybe even mocking the exact same tactics Republicans have been using for the last 2-3 years. Haven't you seen the Obama/Hitler billboards? What is wrong with you people.

    • Guest

      "Obama/Hitler billboards"?
      That should read "billboard" – there was just one; paid for by individual citizens not on a public payroll or skipping work.

    • Fred Dawes

      most political people will do anything or say anything to SH@T On people but both sides use the people to get something and the teachers for 50 years have used kids and been used by monkeys in both parties, so what new?

    • IreneAdler

      You're kidding, right? Where were you when the left was calling Bush Hitler? Or when the left was making movies about the assassination of Bush?

      Typical liberal: history begins when you say it begins.

    • Eric Gisin

      “Haven’t you seen the Obama/Hitler billboards?”

      They were produced by commie LaRouche, not conservatives.

  • Greg

    Taxpayers should be able to review and vote on any union agreement, Pension or otherwise. Unions trade votes for benefits and the policiticans and union leaders are in an inherent conflict of interest position. Open the transparency up to the people that will finance these obligations… THE TAXPAYERS. Furthermore state the all penion benefits are taxable and Health Care premiums where the beneficiary does not pay 50% of the premium will be taxed as income. Make these 2 changes and see if the union leaders and rank and file think twice when negotiating benefits. If the benefits are to rich then they will be mitigated by the tax increase needed to provide them. It's called balance and union leaders no nothing of this. For the rank and file thank you for your hard work but you have to look at it from a taxpayers point of view as well

    • Fred Dawes

      many states have been doing that for years new Greg, Inot new.

  • Martel64

    This being Wisconsin, does anyone know if Ayers & Dohrn – the Rosenbergs that escaped justice – are involved in this? They have to be,it's their home turf – Dohrn's from Wisconsin, Ayers from Michigan. Don't be surprised if they are.

    • scum

      This has nothing to do with Ayers. Go back to bed.

    • MarkRich

      I am sure it does. And no dont go back to bed- your awake- scum is still asleep.

    • Jim_C

      I am sure it does have something to do with Ayers, Dohrn, the Rosenbergs–with Mr. Soros pulling the strings! Dun dun dun!!! now go check under your bed to see if they're hiding there!

  • BLJ

    The whole union system has been corrupt for years. The fact that someone is standing up to them to end the free ride has them scared to death. All they are is an extension of the Dumocrats.

    I say stand up to these thugs. If they want to fight let's fight. I can think of no better feeling than kicking some union ass.

    • scum

      Don't forget: the primary beneficiaries of unions are POLICE and FIREMEN. Last time I checked, they were 99.9% Republican. Get a grip, FPM.

      • coyote3

        That's funny, I was in law enforcement for my entire career (USBPS), and got to know many policemen as well. Very few were in unions, in the sense of trade unions with contracts. Some yes, and quite a few belonged to organizations that promoted police wages, benefits, conditions, etc., but they were not truly a union. Also, in most cases, they were exempt from collective bargaining statutes.

    • Jim_C

      You're the one talking about "kicking ass." Who's the thug?

  • Questions

    I can't stand these public-sector unions either, but it must be said that they are socialist, not "fascist." The Jonah Goldberg argument isn't convincing. Their rhetoric and goals are fully consonant with radicalism of the Left. Fascism, by contrast, always has been a phenomenon of the Right. American has never produced a genuine fascist movement, not even during the Thirties.

    • Steeloak

      Communism, Socialism, and Fascism are all on the far left – total government. The opposite extreme from them is Anarchy – no government. They differ only in the amount of personal freedom & capitalism they allow – they all make the state supreme over individuals. I believe in limited government, as defined by our founding fathers in the constitution. By the standards of the left, that makes me so far right that I'm on another planet.

    • Guest

      "Fascism, by contrast, always has been a phenomenon of the Right …"

      Wrong. Fascism was the label applied to Mussolini's National Socialism. It was labeled "Right" by the Russian Bolshevik's because It stood in opposition to the GLOBAL socialism (communism) advocated by the Marxist's in Russia. Jonah Goldberg is correct and accurately took the 'fascist' canard out of the pejorative litany of the radical left. Suggest you read "Heaven on Earth" by Joshua Muravchik. See esp. Ch. 8.

    • Supreme_Galooty

      The Supreme Galooty has devised a simple political scale for measuring the rightness or leftness of a person or his beliefs. On a scale of zero to one hundred, with zero being the left (defined as Totalitarianism) and one hundred being the right (defined as total anarchy,) the following applies: If you think Social Security is a good idea, you are somewhere between zero and fifty. Stalin 5. Hitler 9. Obama 8. Hillary 12. Bill a rock solid 15 to 35. GWB 35. Thomas Jefferson and Rush Limbaugh 65.

  • sneed5

    Having unions for public workers is the same as saying that government entities are cruel, dishonest, unsympathetic, and just plain mean!! If governments are not as described, why do the workers need unions? I know many people that are accredited as teachers that would like to have a job under the proposed terms!

  • http://newmediaage.shugartmedia.com/NewMediaWorld/ Tar_n_Feathers

    What an insane disconnect to compare the unrest in Egypt to Madison. In Egypt, citizens are protesting against an oppressive govt. In Madison, we have govt. funded public employees protesting against the mandate of the voters. In effect, it's the govt. protesting against the citizenry. Is this what the Left calls a revolution? Absolutely.

  • justwondering

    I have for years had no use for labor unions, they encourage the cult of mediocrity, all the while screaming about their rights and ignoring their responsibilites.
    My hope is that the union blinks first.
    Let OFA and the DNC bus rent-a mobs all over the country if they wish, that costs lots of money. Money they will then not have to throw to Obama's reelection campaign, unless of course they raise their union dues.

  • justwondering

    I have for years had no use for labor unions, they encourage the cult of mediocrity, all the while screaming about their rights and ignoring their responsibilites.
    My hope is that the union blinks first.
    Let OFA and the DNC bus rent-a mobs all over the country if they wish, that costs lots of money. Money they will then not have to throw to Obama's reelection campaign, unless of course they raise their union dues.

  • justwondering

    I have for years had no use for labor unions, they encourage the cult of mediocrity, all the while screaming about their rights and ignoring their responsibilites.
    My hope is that the union blinks first.
    Let OFA and the DNC bus rent-a mobs all over the country if they wish, that costs lots of money. Money they will then not have to throw to Obama's reelection campaign, unless of course they raise their union dues.

  • justwondering

    I have for years had no use for labor unions, they encourage the cult of mediocrity, all the while screaming about their rights and ignoring their responsibilites.
    My hope is that the union blinks first.
    Let OFA and the DNC bus rent-a mobs all over the country if they wish, that costs lots of money. Money they will then not have to throw to Obama's reelection campaign, unless of course they raise their union dues.

  • Fred Dawes

    the money behind this BS Is from the muslims and from other who we all know. the so called labor unions are in fact political front people.

  • votedagainstoby

    Hey all you DUMB-O-cRATS,… AND UNION Supporters,… WE ARE WATCHING YOU.

    WE will NOT FORGET come ELECTION TIME.

    The Dumb-O-cRATs and their UNION MASTERS are OUT TO DESTROY AMERICA.

    Look at DETROIT MI if you need conformation of this.

    Detroit MI, A ONCE great American city COMPLETELY DESTROYED
    by the DEMOCRAT PARTY and THIER UNION MASTERS.

    The TEACHERS UNION – that's an OXYMORON.

    And we let these WEASELS teach or children???

    We need to put a STOP to THE UNIONs ASAP!!

    • kenavo29

      Don't forget to include the Milwaukee breweries as casualties of stupid unions…Schiltz and Pabst are gone, and maybe even Miller will crumble soon.

    • Jean H

      I'm a teacher. I hate the NEA and FTA unions. I join for the law suit insurance. I want to teach but all the politically correct crap and multicuturalism is keeping many of us from teaching. Also, parents who don't teach their children manners WOW! Also hanging over our heads is being considered a good teacher… if we don't follow all the 'new' ideas we are called a bad teacher and can lose our job. I want to teach… I'm all for local and state regulation of their schools… get the gov't out of our schools! We need to get our REPUBLIC back and follow our Constitution.

  • Guest

    Moderator: Evidently you intantaneously reject comments because they violate some template you have. Could you at least post your restrictions so commenter's will have the benefit of knowing before commenting?
    Afew years back FPM had a similar, if ridiculous screen which automatically rejected any and all words which even came close to "profanity" Thus the word Essex in a post would get that post rejected because the "screen saw EsSEX. I'll let you figure out why the word "circumstance" was also a no no. Your current "policy" is equally ridiculous.

  • Wi Patriot

    Request someone attribute the statement below from the article. How do we know the Governor spoke to the teachers and they demonized him? It would be helpful to confront those who claim the Governor attacked them when its not true

    Soon after he was sworn into office, he asked teachers to contribute more of their paycheck to cover their pensions and to insurance costs. The teachers’ union, used to getting its way in every particular, demonized Walker and his plan. Had the union accepted the governor’s proposal then, it’s very unlikely that Walker would have felt the need to drop the other shoe.

    • Jim_C

      Good point. Its a brinksmanship game. I think the pensions need to be renegotiated, as you said. However taking away bargaining rights is a big Other Shoe to drop and it could backfire. Mr. Walker has his own skeletons and he may not want them too prominently on display.

  • WRJonas

    Interesting that one of the first comments called into question peoples lack of gratitude to police and firemen. Its a false argument. Airline pilots take more risk than firefighters do. They are employees , not noble , selfless, dedicated angels of mercy. It involves some risk for which they are well rewarded. Even nurses, librarians and teachers are trying to muscle into the"nobler than thou" scam. If the job isn't right for you QUIT.

    • MarkRich

      So true. The fact is this emotional reasoning is ALL the left has to offer anymore. They have lost the argument so many times their only way out is too appeal to the emotions. Of particular interest as far as this technique goes is the appeal to the Egyptian protesters. The idea that these clowns in any way are doing something dangerous or noble or are fighting against some type of tyranny is the equivilent of a kindergartener thinking he/she is submitting their thesis for a phd when they turn in a page from their coloring book. I see this daily from the left- they are so brave, blah blah blah. Most if not all of these clowns have never been out of the country and seen what real tyranny looks like and feels like.I will take my sons experience in Iraq for three tours and my Vietnam vet experience against these brave souls who tough out the frigid air of Wisconsin any day.

      • Jim_C

        You make the exact same error by painting them as "clowns." And I have heard Obama accused of "tyranny" enough to know that many people on both sides have no clue what real tyranny is.

        At any rate, this is going to be one interesting fight. On one hand, I'm as pissed at teachers unions as anyone. They protect people who would have been fired anywhere else, and they make systemic abuse more possible. On the other hand, education has been a politcal football every since Reagan, and has been systematically abused for short term gain by politicians who find an easy scapegoat in teachers, the majority of whom really are professional and asked to do many things above and beyond teaching with few resources to do so.

        • MarkRich

          Does that hurt their feelings- I could care less. They are children-spoiled ones. I have lived long enough and hard enough to know these types- they are children and to me clowns. That may be harsh to PC sensitive culture but I have experience with unions and the thugs that operate many of them to know that logic plays no part. They want what they want and that is it. Having had four children I know what children are like- these are children. Hell- some of them dont know even why they are there. It started years ago -remember Brando in the The Wild Ones- What are you rebeling against? Answer: What do you got? That about sums up the mentality.

          • Jim_C

            You are speaking of anecdotal experience and then calling for logic. I am not usre which one you are interested in.

            At any rate, this will be interesting. If the Governor is successful, you will be proven right about the nature of these protestors. If not, your depiction of them will require re-evaluation.

    • Genie

      To WRJonas and Thomas Paine,

      Firefighters, EMS are exempted from this. The only ones affected by it are teacher's unions.

  • Amused

    To all you "echo-chamber parrots " , what sgoing on in Wisconsin is classic union busting , over a deficit which the Governor is blaming on State Workers , when in actuality , most of the problem is being caused by tax cuts he himself initiated and is proposing .

    This broadside comes less than a month after the state's fiscal bureau — the Wisconsin equivalent of the Congressional Budget Office — concluded that Wisconsin isn't even in need of austerity measures, and could conclude the fiscal year with a surplus. In fact, they say that the current budget shortfall is a direct result of tax cut policies Walker enacted in his first days in office.

    But I guess all you talking heads know better opf Wisconsin's budget than that State's own budget directors .

    • thomas paine

      you're attempting to bring facts to classic low-information, fact-repelling voters here. expect them to start making up reasons why they don't have to believe your report. the fun begins when the reasons contradict each other, as above where some wingnuts insult policemen while others call me a liar for suggesting that any of them would do that

      • Grayzel

        I agree, it is union busting. Now what is wrong with that?

    • coyote3

      Even if it is true, so what? The tax cuts are for the oppressed people and businesses of WI. That is what the people demanded. The government doesn't exist as a WPA project. It exists to provide consitutionally required services, at the cheapest and most efficient way possible.

      • Jim_C

        Tell us more about the "oppressed" people and businesses of WI.

        This should be good.

        • MarkRich

          Tell us about the oppressed teachers making over 100K a year with benefits who work 9 months a year. Poor babies!

          • Jim_C

            Don't avoid the question.

        • MarkRich

          They pay much more in toward their retirements and toward their healthcare. They see jobs leaving and not returning and they voted in a new administration who promised them exactly what they are getting. You are in the minority and another election will get here but until then you can whine and it makes no difference.

          • Jim_C

            Who is whining about what? Why are jobs leaving? What happened to people's retuirement accounts? You seem incapable of logic without making wild assumptions. I am more interested in coyote's definition of the "oppressed."

        • coyote3

          I won't avoid the question. The tax cuts were supported by the tax payers. They must have believed that taxes were too high, therefore, they were oppressed.

  • Amused

    ..And , even those tax cuts of the Governor , initiated and proposed have been deemed by Wisconsins own economists to be tob weak to produce jobs , and what you have is the Governor jumping to the the tunes of big buisiness , but giving them more money and doing their union busting for them . Maybe some of you whiners ought to actually READ what the facts in this case really are . But I suspect you'll just tow the company line , ignorant of the facts .
    Oh and btw , the police and firemans unions backed the Governor in his election , the Teachers Union did not …gee that couldn't be relevant to anything huh ?

    • coyote3

      Gee, the oppressed businesses and industries in this country need someone to stand up for them. Even if it is true, what is illegal about union "busting". What makes unions and workers in unions for that matter have any higher moral authority than any other group. That is like saying that the "poor" are somehow more deserving. I have been poor (still am as far as I am concerned), and I can assure they are no less, and no more evil than any other group.

      • Jim_C

        Business and industry have been writing the rules to favor themselves for 30 years now. In effect, they have "redistributed wealth" to themselves. Meanwhile every stat in the world bears out stagnation in wages for the middle and lower classes (coupled with higher prices for virtually everything, including private health care and education), while the rich got EXPONENTIALLY richer. Now they want to blame public employee unions for deficits largely due to the tax cuts they gave themselves.

        So please explain this "oppression" to me.

        • coyote3

          I did, the taxpayers supported the tax reductions, businesses pay taxes too. Government, all around us, has been oppressing business for decades. Telling them who they can, environmental, and workplace regulations. Look, any time the government acts without the constitutionally delegated power to do so, that is a loss of liberty and oppression. I could care less about the result, good, bad or indifferent. Fact is, the government (mostly federal government has no power to do a lot of things it does), and fact is, although the states have more power (they are supposed to), a lot of the stuff they do amounts to a violation of civil rights.

          • Jim_C

            I don't know; your point seems academic, and would have seemed so even to the Founding Fathers, who knew there's always a balance between liberty and order. Taxpayers have also supported laws that regulate businesses and the enforcement of those laws. Or another way of looking at it: It's not exactly accurate to say that taxpayers, for example, did not "support" the regulations and/or deregulations that led to the financial meltdown–they just happened to vote for the crooks that then went ahead and made those laws.

            Now I know that could also be seen as taxpayers irresponsibility, as well, but "not caring less about the results" is part of the problem that got us here.

          • coyote3

            The only issue here is government obeying the law, which it has not. They certainly don't support those regulations now, as evidenced by the people they elected. No, the problem was people who wanted, what they believed was a "good" or "just" outcome, and that is not the job of the government.

  • Amused

    Trzupek , collective bargaining , organized protests are as American as apple pie , and you call this facism ????? You need to get your head examined David .

  • coyote3

    It is true, police officers owe no duty to protect an individual. They are agents of the "state" (generic state), and take an oath to support and defend the constitution and enforce the law. Now, if in enforcing the law, and supporting and defending the constitution, they protect people then that is the way it is supposed to be, but they have no duty to an individual. Retired USBPS

    • dtomsen

      Ok, I give up…. what's a retired usbps

  • coyote3

    Gee I can recall when unions could have cared less about government workers. Indeed, they had no interest, even where collective bargaining was possible. The only reason why unions went into the public sector, as well as other nontraditional businesses was because they were losing their membership in the latter industries. Now, I realize a lot of these are indigenous unions, by they are also part of the AFL-CIO and that was what was suffering. Yeah, real champions of the workers alright. They could have cared less until they faced, maybe not extinction, but diminished relevance. When they started approaching us, I asked them those questions, i.e., where were you, etc. The people from the AFL-CIO stuttered and stamered. I told them to go pound.

    • thomas paine

      pretty soon you teabaggers will have classified all americans as socialists

      you've already declared half of the GOP to be RINOs who are "no better than liberals"

    • Jim_C

      Believe it or not, I agree to some extent. Unions find a "captive audience" in government workers. We had a union organizer come try to get us on board, and I also told him to "go pound." He could not explain what he was going to do for US, though I know our numbers would be good for THEM. I don't want or need "union protection." I think unions are natural fits for people who feel they are not only entitled to their job, but "deserve more."

      On the other hand, they CAN keep people from getting jerked around or falling prey to political capriciousness–the public sector equivalent of the sort of exploitation that caused them to originate in the first place. Is this good, bad, indifferent? Yes.

      • coyote3

        Problem is, in the public sector, ALL of the money involved belongs to other people, the tax payers. ALL of them, rich, poor and otherwise. I don't necessarily disagree with you on everything. Unions do benefit workers in some cases. I have been a union member. In the public sector, the taxpayers are supposed to set the priorities, it is their money. The exploitation is certainly present when taxpayers must finance things they have voted to restrict, i.e., in this case union contracts.

        • Jim_C

          I would agree with that.

  • http://www.fxexchangerate.com/ fxgeorges

    Fascism is rule by government and Corporations. How in the world can you accused the unions of being fascist. This entire column is moronic beyond belief.

    • votedagainstoby

      UNIONS are Destroying America.

      You don't think so? Look at Detroit MI.

      A once GREAT American City COMPLETELY DESTROYED
      By the DemocRAT Party AND their UNION MASTERS.

      Detroit MI. is what the UNIONS and the DemocRAT PArty has planned for America.

      WAY TO GO AFL-CIO, UAW, TFA, SEIU!!

    • Philosopherking

      That is completely wrong since Hitler and Mussilini did not belong to any corporate business organization. They usually belonged to some workers union organization.

      • Addisongraves

        On May 2nd, 1933, the day after Labor day, Nazi groups occupied union halls and labor leaders were arrested. Trade Unions were outlawed by Adolf Hitler, while collective bargaining and the right to strike was abolished. This was the beginning of a consolidation of power by the fascist regime which systematically wiped out all opposition groups, starting with unions, liberals, socialists, and communists using Himmler’s state police.

        • Philosopherking

          That is because fascist wanted to manage the economy so they outlawed anything that could interfere with their ability to direct the national economy. Workers were going to work for so much while businesses were ordered what to make and produce. The only difference between them and communist is that communist didn't allow non-state owned business to exist.

  • BS77

    The Union "special people" are so used to entitlements, sick leave, holiday pay, big pensions plus social security, medical insurance……they do little but expect lots of everything from taxpayers….many of the teachers and hack bureaucrats do NOTHING to advance our society…but take take take, demanding higher wages, extra benefits and more perks than anyone in the private sector ever gets. Now they are screaming mad because the voters want them to contribute a bit more for their health plans, and put away some more of their salary for their retirement. These smug, arrogant elite leftists might look around at what the average American is dealing with these days….fifteen per cent unemployment, foreclosures, bankruptcy and homelessness.

    • Jim_C

      Here is the conservative position: You have a big box electronics store. You are oh so concerned about who gets what discount and when, and up in arms over the few thieves stuffing ipods in their pockets trying to get out the front door.

      Meanwhile, your managers' buddies in the mafia have the trucks out back and they're loading them full of plasma flat screen tvs right under your nose. The managers told you not to worry about it. You see, the TVs won't be as "oppressively regulated" where they're going–why, eventually, you may be able to buy one back at half price!

      So tell me again about these arrogant elites. Which ones were they, again?

      • coyote3

        I'll admit to not being too quick at "nuances", but if you are talking about exporting jobs, industries, of course, They are going to go where they can make the most money. That is not arrogant, they owe that to their shareholders. If that is what you mean.

  • http://www.tenner.me.uk Carroll Merriman

    Hi There

    Great food for though thanks for the share.

  • BOBZILLA

    Fire them all! There are plenty of us out here looking for a teaching job. Unions are blood sucking instruments of left-wing tyranny. Wisconsin is a good example of that fact.

    Fire them now!!!!!

  • BOBZILLA

    "organized protests are as American as apple pie" Amused

    This is NOT an "organized protest" as you refer to it. This is organized left-wing radical intimidation. It is tyranny on display. The president is ordering it, because he is the king of tyranny right now. He will lose this battle, as he has been losing battles for two years and more.

    We the People WILL NOT cave to anarchy!

    You are a fool.

    • Jim_C

      Dumbzilla–you may want to check a dictionary for definitions of things like "democracy" and "anarchy." I don't think you're quite ready to understand how to use the word "tyranny" and be taken seriously, so start with the other two first and work your way up.

      • BOBZILLA

        Typical liberal. Must resort to a personal insults because he is void of facts. Well, I got 'em too. Bet my IQ is at least 100 points higher that yours, and my dad can beat up your dad. No wonder you morons lost the House – and will lose the Senate and White House in 2012. Good bye, pin head!

        Oh, PS. You image is right on. Empty – like your head.

    • Amused

      And YOU are the FOOL Bobzilla .In your conservative B.S. delusion , you what ? You think the President is behind the protests in Wisconsin ? What a parroting SYCHOPHANT you are.Get over your Obama Derangement Syndrome , and look at the FACTS . The Governors tax cuts are more than half the problem causing the projected deficit . Oh wait , I forgot , you guys can't be bothered with facts ….the Birthers among you PROVE that .
      "left wing radical intimidation " ??? No FOOL , it's called freedom of assembly , FREEDOM TO DISSENT , FREEDOM TO PROTEST THE DICTATES OF AN ARSE KISSING REPUBLICAN , WHO'S IN THE POCKET OF BIG BUISINESS , perhaps the people of Wisconsin should consider another great American right ….RECALL .
      You and your ilk are the facists .

      • coyote3

        Sounds like an illegal assembly to me. Time to test out those new SAWs that are coming on line.

  • ebonystone

    It's notable that over the last 50 years, goods and services produced by the private sector have, in general: declined in cost (in constant dollars), improved in quality, and required fewer employees to produce. Examples are: air travel, automobiles, phone service, electronics, home appliances, electricity, clothing,and food.
    Meanwhile, goods and services produced by the government sector have: become more expensive, gotten poorer in quality, and taken more employees to produce. Such as: education, whether primary, secondary, or university; and public safety — despite all the added cops, the crime rate is much higher than 50 years ago.

    • Jim_C

      Well, if I could pay people in a foreign country pennies and not have to provide benefits, I could sell you more high quality, inexpensive stuff than I could if I had to pay my fellow citizens a living wage and benefits. Pretty simple.

      As to your government sector logic: do you also blame doctors for all the sick people?

      • ebonystone

        United Autoworkers still make millions of cars every year here in the U.S., and I can assure they are not paid "pennies". Nor are telephone and electrical utility workers, nor airline staff, not the workers making stoves, dishwashers, washers and dryers, refrigerators, etc. Admittedly, consumer electronics and clothing have gone overseas. But a lot of companies that have re-located did so to avoid the endless harassment and predatory taxation by all levels of government, not to escape higher U.S. wages.
        As for all those "sick people", have you noticed that they're all living longer these days, and staying in good health for more of their lives? That's due to all the private-enterprise doctors, hospitals, and pharmaceutical companies.

      • Supreme_Galooty

        Jim C – I'm sure you believe yourself to be absolutely right, with no possibility of error. So why perform any introspection or self examination? Why bother with such a fruitless exercise? I ask you this: How would you KNOW if you are misinformed? Indeed, how would you know if you are not only MIS-informed but also MAL-informed? What if all of your favorite sources have been lying to you for years, telling you that not only are you SMART but that you are well informed?

        As a casual kindness whilst galloping by I will say only that you are OBVIOUSLY misinformed. Since I am not the sort who enjoys beating his head against a stone wall because it feels so good when you stop, I will continue on my way and leave your further education to more patient and more caring folk.

        • Jim_C

          I don't consider myself absolutely right. I like to debate–I can always learn something from conservative friends.

      • Supreme_Galooty

        Hint: American jobs have fled offshore for a variety of reasons, not just labour costs. Those jobs that have left these shores are lower level, less skilled jobs. Today America's manufacturing sector is vibrant and would blossom furiously were it not for: 1) Excessively high corporate taxation, 2) Onerous regulation at every governmental level, 3) Aggressive trade unions abetted by friendly politicians and labour laws, 4) A labour force deficient in both education and work ethic.

  • votedagainstoby

    Poor Wisconsin teachers! Average salary is $52,644 PLUS benefits!

    Don’t you just feel so sorry for the average Wisconsin teacher?

    They work a whopping 9 months out of the year, and have an average salary of at least $52,644.

    This doesn’t include all the benefits they get at the expense of the taxpayer
    such as their pensions and health care.

    WHICH THEY DO NOT CONTRIBUTE TO AT ALL.

    YOU THE TAX PAYER PAY's IT out of YOUR pay check.

    The graduation rate in Milwaukee public schools is 46 percent.

    The graduation rate for African-Americans in Milwaukee public schools is 34 percent.

    Shouldn’t somebody be protesting that?

    • Grayzel

      May I add the benefits cost the WI taxpayer and average of over $44,500 per year per teacher.

    • Jim_C

      Teachers also pay taxes and contribute to their pensions, so don't get hysterical. If this is about reducing pensions, by all means, do so. The public will be behind you.

      But you see, WI was projected to have a surplus this year. People might well ask Da Gov where all their money went. (They will, eventually.) In the meantime this guy is going to try to union bust–not for deficit reasons, but for political payback. We'll see who blinks, I guess.

    • LibertyLover

      The poor educational performance of WI "graduates" explains how Democrats get elected.

  • thomas paine

    so are all the "conservatives" who talk so much about wanting "smaller, less powerful government" still in favor of the power of the wisconsin government to push teachers around?

    are you pro big government or anti big government? make up your minds!

    • coyote3

      Gee maricon, if it were a private employer, I would say the government had no business interefering whatsoever. However, in this case, the government IS the employer, and every dollar spent, doesn't even belong to the government. It belongs to the taxpayers. So the government does not have the right, but the duty to push the teachers, and any other public employee around.

  • Amused

    They are the Union Busting Tool for Big Buisiness , which is what Republicans and Conservatives DO BEST >Give big buisiness the tax breaks with which they will only fill their own pockets and SCREW the working man who in this case happens to be the Teachers [ whose voting block did not go with Walker ] What a FARCE , and the echo chamber anti-labor parrots scream their accusations of "facist /marxist /socialist "B.S.
    Calling anyone who disagree " COMMUNISTS " , neverminding that the Wisconsin teachers starting pay is about 25 k , and top out at about 68 k , so you whiners say that 's too high , ignoring also that most teachers working day does notr end when they leave school property , and many teachers actually use their own resources to nprovide school supplies which have alreadsy been cut from budgets . All in all teachers pay and benefits in the case of the Wisconsin School System account for only 30 % of the school budget . So who's kidding who here ?

  • Amused

    The Wisconsin teachers pay and pension and medical benefits account for 30 % of tyhe total school budget , and they didn't vote for Walker , so lets put it to them .

  • Amused

    In the meantime get all the echo chamber parrots to demean and denigrate Unions ..

  • Amused

    Oh , but what about the Police and Fire Unions Are all you whiners and screamers complaining about them ? No , thkis is the typical Conservative /republican "Pavlovian " nresponse to unions and workers rights …..and look who's calling who facists and communists …..pathetic hypocrites!!

  • Amused

    And all this of course from the party who would ROLLBACK the minimum wage if they could , and who fought against tooth and nail and were dragged kicking and screaming , over a 25 cent increase .

    • coyote3

      Ah, there is no power delegated to the federal government to mandate a minimum wage in the first place.

    • LibertyLover

      Minimum wage hurts the very people it is "supposed" to help. The minimum wage prices unskilled minority youth out of the labor market. You learn that one in your first semester of Economics.

  • Amused

    And surprise , surprise , surprise …..look who's descending n Wisconsin in support of Walker ? That's right , those champions of America , who say NO ONE is gonna make them pay for healthcare , NO ONE is gonna "tread on their freedoms " ….thgat's right , The Tea Party….who offer their assistance in REMOVING , workers rights to collective bargaining! Hmmmm…collective bargaining ! must be some communist / marxistr /socialist notion huh ?

  • Amused

    And look who's coming to Walkers recure in removing the rights of American workers to collective bargaining ….The Tea Party !!

    • LibertyLover

      You sound like a very poorly recorded broken record. Go back to your coloring book and leave the discourse to the adults.

  • Amused

    Collective bargaining ! -must be some commie /marxist /socialist notion huh ?

  • bill garrett

    That not collective bargaining when you got large crowds screeming an senate running out of the state. I call that a unrule mob I be longed two uion in my life10yrs i made more money out the next 42yrs them union suck i work until i was 75 as a plumber an carpenter Some of those guys that be long i would not have hire them …

    • Sergeant

      Amused can choose to believe what he wants. I was a member of the Machinists and Aerospace Workers union at one time (semi-retired now). We were not a part of the AFL-CIO because the majority of the members and the leadership didn't believe in the Mafia mentality of the AFL-CIO's leadership and the way the AFL-CIO conducted its business. Amused's and others rhetoric aside, the Tea Party is not against teachers, it is for the Constitution and good government. The democratic leadership seems to be for socialist dictatorships with their union cronies supplying the muscle to get their way.

  • ebonystone

    Milton Friedman and other conservative economists have written extensively about just the problem you name: regulations written to protect entrenched interests from competition from small, start-up businesses. Examples include the big cities that protect the big cab companies with regulations that virtually prohibit one-man cab outfits; regulations that require all wiring work to be done by union electricians; regulations that virtually outlaw home beauty salons; regulations that prohibit jitneys in order to protect city bus companies; rules that require teachers to have had a certain number of hours of "education" classes in college, etc.
    Note that the interests protected include labor unions and professional associations as often as private corporations.

    • Supreme_Galooty

      Not mentioned earlier is the fact that according to Federal Reserve data, if the US manufacturing sector were a separate country it would be tied with Germany for third largest economy in the world. Manufacturing is thriving in this country in SPITE of the Lilliputian inhibitors sponsored by the anti-competition forces on the right you mention and the pro-statist trolls on the left.

      I personally know of a Massachussetts company that employs over 100 people, competes with thirty other similar companies (including Chinese companies who disregard intellectual property rights,) and still commands 60% of the world market for their product. And after fifty years of endless balloting, meetings, etc., they are still non-union.

      There is much more, but I remain at a gallop and pressed for time.

      • Jim_C

        Thanks for both your responses.

        Supreme Galooty–don't forget we have Statists on the Right. Given the fair nature of your response I suspect you know that.

  • PittsburghSteeler

    Remember, Labor unions destroyed the steel industry in America. In 1947, the
    steel industry came out with a new, more efficient oxygen blast furnace. These took
    one less person to operate than the old-style open hearth furnaces. The steelworkers
    union pressured management not to use the new, more efficient furnaces, and
    management caved in to the unions. Meanwhile, the British, Germans , and Japanese
    took away America's share of the world steel market. By 1963, when the Americans
    finally started to use the newer furnaces, we had lost our share of the world steel
    market, never to regain it. It took about 22 years, but by 1985 the U.S. steel industry was dead.

  • truebearing

    Madison Wisconsin is a well known hotbed for leftist activity. The same people who rioted in the Sixties are now running the city. It is profoundly corrupt and the city continues to go down hill.
    There is a huge contingent of radical leftist homosexuals, many of whom have important positions of power in education, from nursery school to the University of Wisconsin. There are many stories circulating about people not getting hired because they weren't gay. People are ostracized if they aren't liberal. There is a great deal of intolerance for anything but leftist dogma.

    • Amused

      Truebearing , you've got a loose bearing , in fact many loose bearings .

      "Radical leftist homosexuals " ???? You are a rabid republican parrot .

      All the blather I hear from these alleged "Americans " of YOUR LOT , is simply plain ole' union busting ….sucking big buisiness' arse . And all spewing the same rhetoric – "leftist " – "radical " and now from a fool like yourself …lolol…"homosexuals " …what a pathetic lot of losers/liars . The pure hatred generated by your numbskull demagogues obviously expresses itself in imbecilic statements .

  • truebearing

    Having attended the Tea Party yesterday, where we were out numbered ten to one, and having seen first hand the behavior and the vile signs, I have to say I wasn't surprised in the least. Madison's left has NO moral core and no decency whatsoever. These are people depraved by years of drug use and harboring evil beliefs. These are people who decry hate, but hate with an intensity only Muslims can equal. These are people who want "civil discourse" but rant and rave, scream and swear, intimidate and threaten to get their way.

  • truebearing

    Some of the more moderate liberals were willing to discuss the issues, but have the same problem that is epidemic on the left in general: they can't think logically and acknowledge little personal responsibility for their words and actions.

    It seems that years of lying and twisting the truth has resulted in a form of arrested development in the brains of the left. They have literally lied themselves stupid.

    Teacher after teacher that I confronted with the fact that they were violating both the law and their obligation to the students, were incapable of understanding what a poor example they were setting, or how wrong their selfish actions are.