Obama’s Afghanistan Gamble

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President Barack Obama announced on Wednesday evening that he was withdrawing 10,000 troops from Afghanistan by the end of the year and a total of 33,000 troops by the end of 2012. In short, the president has opted to leave the job in Afghanistan half finished because of political expediency and war weariness on the part of the American voter.

Saying, “[I]t is time to focus on nation building at home,” the president stated that the death of Osama bin Laden made the withdrawal possible and budget pressures in Congress made ending our commitment to Afghanistan’s security a necessity. There is also the matter of the president’s re-election that most analysts believe played a large role in the decision.

“We will not try to make Afghanistan a perfect place. We will not police its streets or patrol its mountains indefinitely,” said Obama. It is a sentiment echoed on Capitol Hill by members of both parties, and political activists on the left and right. Some Republicans disagreed with the president, but even many GOP presidential candidates tread softly in their responses.

Obama’s decision — delivered in a 13 minute speech in the East Room of the White House — was in direct opposition to what the vast majority of his military commanders had recommended.  What the president referred to as a “commitment” to “refocus on al Qaeda” and “reverse the Taliban’s momentum” has, by most objective standards, been only partially met. And by withdrawing combat forces while the security situation is still unstable in key parts of the country, the president is gambling that the Afghan army and police can step up and perform up to expectations – something they have failed to do up to this point.

Even though analysts expect that the initial drawdown will include mostly engineers and support personnel, commanders in Afghanistan and the Pentagon were recommending a much smaller withdrawal of forces. They fear that the hard-won gains of the last 2 years in southern Afghanistan, where US forces successfully pushed the Taliban out of several key areas, would be lost if too many combat troops were to leave.

The Taliban chooses the summer months to mount its offensives, and the extra troops provided by the surge were able to confront and defeat them, especially in the provinces of Kandahar and Helmand. Because the Taliban had been largely cleared from those areas, Afghanistan Commander General David Petreaus argued that withdrawing the surge troops so precipitously did not give the military time to consolidate the gains made on the battlefield. The fear now is that the Afghan army is simply not ready to take over security responsibilities in those areas cleared by the US military, inviting the Taliban to regroup and re-occupy them once the Americans have left.

Petreaus refused to endorse the president’s withdrawal plan, and outgoing Secretary of Defense Robert Gates only reluctantly backed it. On the other side of the debate, Vice President Joe Biden emerged victorious as he and several key national security aides had been arguing since the decision to initiate the surge in Afghanistan in 2009 that a smaller force was needed. The argument between the two factions was over implementing a counterinsurgency strategy favored by Petreaus or a counterterrorism strategy advocated by the vice president. The president has now opted to back the Biden plan by withdrawing most American combat forces by 2014.

Jeffrey Dressler, a military analyst at the Institute for the Study of War in Washington, explained the military’s reluctance for the large withdrawal ordered by the president. “[T]he fact is that the conditions on the ground don’t merit any sort of withdrawal — it’s not time to be pulling out a substantive amount of troops,” he said. Dressler pointed out that while substantial progress had been made in the south, eastern Afghanistan along the Pakistani border was still a trouble spot, and withdrawing troops would not improve the situation.

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  • Xerxes

    "The more paramount objective has always been ensuring that Afghanistan sands do not becomes the fertile soil of militant jihadism."

    After the second world war, Germany was de-nazified. And it was necessary to stabilize the country. In Afghanistan *nothing* of the same has been tried. Every little boy in Afganistan is taught to hate the westeners in the Koran schools. And this has gone on for 10 years of NATO/ISAF occupation. These schools should have been closed down, and those boys (and girls, who could now finally be allowed to enter school) should be taught in secular schools. Instead, the jihadists have been allowed to poison the minds of another generation with no opposition.

    • Andres de Alamaya

      Absolutely right, Xerxes. That, however, is just one blunder of the large total.

    • Jim_C

      I don't think you can seriously compare Germany, an established and advanced Western country with a rich history to Afghanistan, an tribal backwater of arbitrary boundaries, a history of being impossible to "conquer," and no infrastructure to begin with, much less "schools," which our military was, bizarrely, expected to build (while the ones in our own country are falling apart).

      • Xerxes

        I did not say they were very like, other than having a poisonous ideology that makes an obstacle for peace. It is what you do from there that makes all the difference.

        Anyway, it doesn't even matter any more. The President is in effect saying that the war is lost. Trying to find a political solution when the enemy is not only undefeated, but stronger than ever, is basically capitulation. You win, Taliban! Let's look forward to seeing the executions of "collaborators" on Youtube, stonings and a new safe haven for terrorists. And just maybe, a new 9/11.

        • Jim_C

          So we were supposed to…what? Supply Afghanistan with tens of thousands of soldiers for 25 more years because there's a chance that someone, there, might be plotting another 9/11? Why?

          Give me a break.

          • Xerxes

            The first thing would be not to put soldiers on the ground there in the first place. It was not like NATO wasn't warned back then. The Russians said it would be a huge mistake, and I knew from day one that this was a very bad idea. Now, with thousands of soldiers dead and who knows how much money, NATO/ISAF is de facto defeated by a gang of bearded ignoramuses. The whole world can see that. It is a huge victory for Islamic radicals and a gigantic loss of prestige that may be the beginning of the end of NATO. Not quite what we wanted, was it? And how easily it could have been avoided.

            What to do next, I don't know. I guess whatever it takes. We have the means but apparently not the will. That's all I have to say.

          • Jim_C

            I wouldn't call it a loss because I don't think there was ever a "win" on the other side because we were never really at war with a country. When you fight another country, you can beat that other country–that's where the "will" comes into play. We're fighting people who don't wear uniforms, who hide in plain sight, have no allegiance to any political body.

            But I think our armed forces got invaluable real world experience and our intelligence corps got a treasure trove of info. Plus we accomplished some good. These are exactly the things we'll need going forward fighting Islamic terrorism. Things we did not have going into it.

          • Rifleman

            When you leave the battlefield to the enemy, you lose, they win.

  • mrbean

    Obama's plan is a "Cut and Run" strategy disguised as a phased withdrawal. Democrats are great at losing wars, like Harry Truman in did in Korea, like the post-watergate Democrats did in South Vietnam and Cambodia by cutting off all aid and support the US promised at the Paris Peace talks, like Clinton did in Somolia and Osama bin Laden decided the United States is a paper tiger and no less than 18 major terrorist acts occurred.

    Now we have our own Secretary of State bad mouthing her own country abroad. MONTEGO BAY, Jamaica (AP) – U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton is questioning the priorities of lawmakers criticizing the U.S. intervention in Libya. She's asking bluntly, "Whose side are you on?"

    Ahhhh,,, errr… whose side were you and your husband Bill Clinton on during the Vietnam war Mrs Clinton?

    • Jim_C

      Cut and run…sounds good. Let's do it yesterday. Leave a sign on the door that says "You're welcome! P.S. Don't blow anything of our up or we'll be back and we won't be building you schools, this time."

  • vlparker

    It's time to get out of Afghanistan and fight the jihad that is going on at home. We can stay in Afghanistan for the next 50 years and I would bet that it would still be the stone age country that it has always been and the Taliban would come back when we leave.

    Meanwhile, we have a muslim supremacist enclave in Dearborn, Michigan, honor killings being swept under the rug, an FBI that won't hire Jews as arabic translators because muslims complain about it, foot baths in airports and on and on and on.

    We are never going to turn Afghanistan into a western style republic. We would be much better off working at home to undo the foothold Islam has gained in the US and helping to preserve Israel, the lone bastion of freedom in the Middle East.

  • Chezwick_mac

    I heard a talking head on the news express his opposition to Obama's withdrawal in this way: "We need two more years, two more fighting seasons, to beat back the Taliban and stabilize the regime."

    I thought to myself, what planet is he living on?…(and his ideas are certainly not atypical inside the Pentagon). Does he actually believe that by degrading the Taliban for two more years, they WON'T reconstitute themselves afterwards? Does he know ANYTHING about the concept of 'prolonged popular war'?

    I agree with Obama and the proponents of withdrawal. It's time to leave. Afghanistan is an endless quagmire. The only difference between the Prez and myself is that I have no illusions that withdrawal will ENHANCE our security. Afghanistan will once again become the playground of terrorists…and new 9-11s will be plotted from there.

    But the fact is, we're broke….(though so many are still in denial). One of the prerequisites for successfully selling to our own people the termination of their entitlement goodies will be the dismantling of empire abroad. Welcome to our ugly new reality.

  • TheTavernKeeper

    Welp Xerxes is an intelligent fellow. The rest of ya….eh. Jim_C maybe because he makes a fair point. Couple things though : 1. Obama doesn't need any help for election times. Republicans got nobody and they won't have anybody. Its already won. 2. If you are making the argument about winning or losing a war, you have a few issues. War isn't a game or a sport, it's simply a way for old white guys to get rich while making the people who can't afford to pay for a war pick up the check.

  • tagalog

    Another Obama quote to ponder: in last night's speech, as he was talking about withdrawing from Afghanistan, he said that he wished for Americans to recapture the post 9/11 mood of working in a common cause, then he justified that by saying that it's our differences that make us strong.

    What the hell do those two contradictory sentiments have to do with each other? Obama just says a bunch of junk and hopes that his ability to deliver a good speech with see him through. He's just a sophomoric jerk.

  • Wesley69

    Where was the word, victory, in the President's speech. It wasn't there. Only that by 2014, the US will be out of Afghanistan. Is history repeating itself??? Didn't the US withdraw from Vietnam in a similar fashion. We're already negotiating with the Taliban, just like we did the North Vietnamese. AND THIS WAS THE GOOD WAR!!!!

    The President lack of experience is showing. He is willing to throw away the gains of the surge for political benefit. He will lose Egypt to the Muslim Brotherhood. He has the US in a totally unnecessary war in Libya.

    Mr. President, you are either in it to win or PULL OUT ALL THE TROOPS BEFORE ANYMORE ARE LOST. There is no middleground.

  • Fred Dawes

    This will end in nothing but a blood bath.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      That's perfectly fine with me as long as it is the direct result of Muslim on Muslim violence and the more violence and the bloodier the merrier. In fact, to this day I still can’t understand why we didn’t limit our mission in Afghanistan to the obliteration of OBL and AQ only in retaliation for 9/11 and then get out of that unforgiving hellhole ASAP, instead of jumping into the middle of a jihad between the Sharia compliant Northern Alliance and the Sharia compliant Taliban we had no business getting mixed up in and for what, to pursue a silly fantasy based nation-building mission that couldn’t be more unhinged.

      Meanwhile, Iran has continued its march to nuclear weapons with impunity, and Pakistan, mostly with the 2 billion dollars in American foreign aid per year, has been allowed to exponentially increase its nuclear weapons arsenal and nuclear weapons program.

      The reality is our federal government and our military establishment couldn’t be any more incompetent or inept than it is.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    And by withdrawing combat forces while the security situation is still unstable in key parts of the country, the president is gambling that the Afghan army and police can step up and perform up to expectations – something they have failed to do up to this point.

    I could care less whether the Sharia compliant Afghan army and police can hold off the Sharia compliant Taliban, as Muslim on Muslim violence to me, because I’m not blinded by idiotic political correctness with respect to Islam, would be a far better outcome for the West, and the more violence the better. Hence, unlike Shaun Hannity and many other clueless neo-cons. I could care less if the Taliban takes over Afghanistan again, which is inevitable in any event as the goal of the war was always exceedingly fantasy-based. Hey, they were fighting a jihad when we needlessly intervened. Thus, let them resume the jihad again when we leave and hope at the same time that it last as long as possible, as the longer and the bloodier the better as for as I’m concerned.

    Indeed, I could never figure out why or how the US became sidetracked in the first place into pursuing a silly fantasy based nation-building mission in Afghanistan to win the hearts and minds of Muslims, which incidentally is entirely impossible altogether because Muslims are obligated to have nothing but enmity in their hearts for unbelievers.

    In fact, when we were preparing to occupy Afghanistan for the now apparent purpose of pursuing silly fantasy based nation building, I remember thinking at the time that that distraction would lead to OBL escaping, and in fact a few days later my greatest fear materialized when OBL did indeed escape.

    Then the other day I heard Robert Gates saying on Fox News that when it comes to pulling out of Afghanistan prematurely, the American people should look at the big picture and factor in the cost of losing in Afghanistan, because according to Gates, America can’t afford anymore 9/11s, as Gates claims that the 9/11 terrorist attacks were the inevitable result of the US pulling out of Afghanistan prematurely in 1989.

    In other words, according to Gates, the American government, and our entire military establishment, the cause of the 9/11 terrorist attacks were a direct result of the US pulling out of Afghanistan, according to them, prematurely in 1989, and if indeed that is the position of all the aforementioned, then it couldn’t be anymore obvious to me that our entire federal government couldn’t be anymore unhinged, self-hating, and incompetent.

    Yet, all you hear today from neo-cons is let the generals make the call, but what if the generals and our entire military establishment are all incompetent and inept? Indeed, if we are occupying Afghanistan to win the hearts and minds of Muslims that are obligated to hate our unbeliever guts no matter what, then it couldn’t be more obvious that our entire military establishment is more than just a little incompetent.

    Anyway, if anyone is naïve, stupid, dumb, and clueless enough to believe that Sharia states like we helped to establish in Iraq and Afghanistan will remain loyal friends and allies of the USA instead of inevitably becoming our eternal enemies when we finally leave, then I have a bridge I need to sell to those unhinged loons.

    Indeed, I constantly hear all the time the surge in Iraq being touted as a major success and General Petraeus being praised as a glorious hero, but if Iraq is a victory thanks to the success of the surge, then why were American companies deliberately blackballed from receiving any oil contracts? Why are Christians and other unbelievers living in Iraq being violently oppressed and systematically persecuted when not outright slaughtered altogether? Why does the government of Iraq refuse to allow US military bases to remain in Iraq? Why is Iraq extremely hostile to Israel exactly like all other Islamic states? Indeed, why did Iraq recently announce that it would seek much closer military ties with Iran later this year to increase the security of the region? Indeed, if Iraq is the definition of success and victory today, then it couldn’t be clearer to me that our federal government and military establishment couldn’t be more incompetent.

    In addition, the notion that Afghanistan and Iraq will become terrorist havens if we leave prematurely is also utterly absurd. Indeed, the entire Islamic world is a terrorist haven and breeding ground for terrorists, which, by the way, really isn’t terrorism but instead violent jihad, as jihad against unbelievers for the spread of Islam is the sixth and most important pillar of Islam.

    I have news for Robert Gates and our American military establishment, but we weren’t attacked on 9/11 because the US left Afghanistan prematurely in 1989. Instead, we were attacked because we are unbelievers and because we stupidly allowed millions of Muslim stealth jihadists to immigrate and infiltrate our country. In fact, if we didn’t have any Muslim immigrants, really stealth jihadists, living in America as a fifth column on 9/11, not only would the 9/11 terrorist attacks have been completely impossible, but any further Islamic terrorist attacks today on America’s homeland would also be completely impossible.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    But clearly, the overriding reason for the faster pace of withdrawal than that recommended by military commanders is due to the genuine war weariness of the American people,

    I’m not weary of war and I’m not an unhinged self-hating anarcho-kook like Ron Paul. Indeed, I fully understand that freedom must be protected and defended at all cost, but unhinged fantasy based nation-building missions to win the hearts and minds of Muslims who are obligated per Islam to hate our unbeliever guts no matter what isn’t protecting and defending freedom, it is shear utter unhinged insanity! In fact, our two fantasy based nation-building missions in Afghanistan and Iraq were not only mistakes, they were the two greatest strategic blunders in American history.

    Senator Lindsey Graham said, “We’ve undercut a strategy that was working.

    Senator Graham and his two unhinged amigos, John McCain and Joseph Lieberman, have always been unhinged when it came to Afghanistan and Iraq and a lot of other dumb things as well. In fact, I would love to see both Senators Graham and McCain kicked out of the Republican Party. Let them go screw up someone else’s party for a change.

    Pawlenty urged the president to follow the advice of General Petreaus and “get those [Afghanistan] security forces built up where they can pick up the slack as we draw down.”

    With respect to Pawlenty’s campaign for president, as for as I’m concerned Pawlenty is out, exactly because of his unhinged stances on Libya and Afghanistan. He doesn’t have the first clue and I can’t see myself voting for another incompetent loon for president. In fact, I may end up not voting at all again like I did the last time when McCain won the Republican nomination. I’m sorry but I can’t vote for someone I know that is incompetent, even as bad as Obama is. Indeed, repeatedly voting for the lesser of two evils is exactly the reason America is in the sad position it is in today.

  • Wesley69

    We tried this in Vietnam. It was called Vietnamization. It worked until Congress cut the military aid to South Vietnam and forbade the use of US B-52's to punish North Vietnam for violation of the Paris Peace Accords. We, also, gave up any thought of winning, just like in Afghanistan.

    The similarities between Afghanistan and Vietnam is uncanny. But the truth is, if you are not in it to win, then it is time to withdraw before any more of our soldiers are killed.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      How could we win in Afghanistan? Please describe what victory would look like in Afghanistan? Don’t forget that thanks to Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad, a Muslim who successfully infiltrated our State Department and got subsequently appointed Ambassador to Afghanistan and then subsequently Ambassador to Iraq, Sharia was enshrined in each country’s respective constitutions, making both countries Sharia states for all intents and purposes. Hence, since Sharia mandates Muslims to wage jihad against unbelievers for the spread of Islam, the idea that either country will remain loyal friends and allies with the USA is utterly absurd.

  • Wesley69

    ObamaYaMoma, your point is a good one and I will try to answer it.

    What will need to be done, the US will not do. One thing, we don't do is announce when we will leave and give the Afghans a reason not to trust us because in time we will be gone and they will be on their own.

    It means letting the military fight the war with having any hands tied behind their back.
    It means closing madrases in the country that preach anti-Americanism.
    It means supporting a freely elected government that is not corrupt. Corruption needs to be unrooted from the government.
    It means providing government services and protection to the Afghans.
    It may require that tribal chiefs in various proviences are granted more power to govern their area. This would mean a federalization of the country.
    It means involving the living standards of the Afghans.
    It means establishing a code of justice without the harsh penalties of Sharia, to protect women.
    It means establishing a school system to educate the young.
    It means bombing the sancturies and training camps in Pakistan. It may mean providing incentives to get the Pakistan government to help us instead of playing both sides.

    As I said this is what victory would look like, but the question is whether it is worth it. Afghanization of the war could succeed, if the US has the time to train the Afghan army and gradually expand its control over larger areas of the country. US aid in the form of military equipment would need to be provided. US bombers would still be needed to take out enemy forces.

    Is it worth it? We have been there since 2002. Bush did take his eye off the ball and should have pacified the country while he had the support of the country and the world. The war in Iraq took away from that effort. Nation-building is difficult to do, but trying to do it in two countries is almost impossilbe. I hope we will not being doing it in Egypt or Libya.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      Uhm…study Islam. Everything you listed and said are impossible to achieve in Sharia Islamic states like Afghanistan and Iraq and indeed are exceedingly fantasy based. Hence, why should we continue pursuing what is in reality a fantasy based nation-building mission that is not only getting our troops killed for nothing, but is also needlessly costing the taxpayers of this country hundreds of billions of dollars while at the same time destroying the will of the American people. Meanwhile, at the same time Iran continues its march to nuclear weapons with impunity and Pakistan is poised to become the nuclear supermarket for the Sunni Islamic world as soon as Iran renders the NPT not worth the paper it was signed on.

      The harsh reality is our military establishment is completely incompetent because of political correctness they failed the first rule of war, which is to know your enemy as well as you know yourself, and in that respect our military establishment has failed big time. Indeed, what is particularly disturbing is almost 10 years after 9/11 they still don’t have the first clue with respect to the true nature of the enemy we are facing and what to do.

      The fact of the matter is the two silly fantasy based nation-building missions in Afghanistan and Iraq are not only just mistakes, but in reality they are the two biggest strategic blunders in the history of the USA.

      Indeed, Iraq recently announced to the world that as soon as the remainder of US troops are pulled out of Iraq at the end of the year, that the Iraq military would closely align with the military of Iran to protect the security of the region. Do you still believe the surge in Iraq was successful and that the fantasy based nation-building mission to win the hearts and minds of Muslims in Iraq is a victory and was well worth the price, because if you do, then obviously you are as incompetent as our military establishment.

      Finally, with respect to nation building missions, they should always be avoided like the plague under any and all circumstances, and with respect to nation-building missions in Islamic countries, it is literally insane and extremely suicidal, as Muslims are obligated to hate our unbeliever guts no matter what. Indeed, Bush promised never to deploy US troops in nation building missions, then as soon as he was elected like the stealth leftist he really was, that loon deployed our troops in two endless fantasy based nation-building missions the first chance he got, and both of those two endless fantasy based nation-building missions are the two biggest strategic blunders in American history.

  • Wesley69

    Your points are well taken. I think I pointed out the US will not see the face of victory in those countries. But I would not blame our militarty for the PC war. That is the fault of both administrations. And I agree about nation-building, particularly among Muslim nations. On this point I have been convinced by what I have seen over the years. My previous post said "what will need to be done the US will not do." We will not succeed in creating western style democracies in Iraq and Afghanistan. We should not have tried. We need to think in terms of national interest. The following are other posts that should explain my thinking.

    So what can the infidels (us) do? Good question. For starters, the infidel must realize this is a contest that he can't afford to lose. It is us or them, therefore, compromises with the true believers will be viewed by them as weakness. If attacked, the infidels must respond with overwhelming force, if necessary, but they must be made to pay for their attacks. All weapons must be used. If pork is something that will frightening the believers with uncleanliess, you use it. Weakening the will of the enemy by shrinking the necessities of life, food, water, shelter, will go a long way toward killing that fighting spirit. Understand this, the enemy will always hate you. Don't bother with being nice. Elimination of all religious centers that spread the hatred must be done as well.

    Within this country and other countries laws need to be passed to elimate the practice of Sharia Law within the infidel's territory. Here is a Constitutional Amendment that would insure that religious law does not become civil law in the US.


    In another post I give the Iso-Doctrine. The US will not play world policeman by itself any longer. Unless there is a commitment by another country, the US will not honor an alliance. We will not interfere in the internal affairs of other countries. That day is over. However, if we are attacked, we will respond with proportionate force or maximum force, whatever is required. There will be no money for nation-building. If you are bombed into the Stone Age, that's where you stay.

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