US Meets with the Muslim Brotherhood

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No doubt this sentiment went over well with the diplomats as Kumar told Katatni that the US “is seeking dialogue with all the political forces in Egypt, especially after the changes post-revolution.”

Barry Rubin suggests that rather than dialoguing with the Brotherhood, the US should be working to forge alliances between the more secular, liberal, and moderate parties. The CIA ran such a covert program after World War II saving Italy and France from a Communist takeover. There’s no reason to believe it wouldn’t work again, given the stakes involved and the united belief of non-Islamic parties that religion should play a minor or non-existent role in the new Egyptian government and constitution.

Despite their exalted position as the best organized political entity, the Freedom and Justice Party has its own problems that could very well shrink its numbers in the election. The defection of the Wafd party from their alliance is a significant blow considering that while they may not be as large as FJP, their name recognition is equally as strong. The party also suffered significant defections among the youth, and some of its more radical members who didn’t like the MB dealing with the military government.

But the JFP has correctly analyzed the situation and has made common cause with the generals running Egypt. A recent agreement between the military and many of the larger parties would put off the presidential election until 2013 while allowing a committee of both the upper and lower houses of parliament to draft a new constitution. The agreement guarantees a power sharing arrangement where the Brotherhood would be in virtual charge of the legislative branch while the military maintained executive authority.

However, this alliance is not likely to lead to stability or peace. The young demonstrators who acted as shock troops for the revolution have been totally frozen out of the political process and deal making. This has angered them, as they have lost faith in the transition process. Might they take to the streets once again to force change more to their liking? Egypt’s military fears them more than they do the Muslim Brotherhood because the youth represent real, substantive change that would unseat the generals from their privileged role in society.

The Brotherhood can threaten street action but their concerns are more likely to cross the generals on issues such as peace with Israel and American aid. Neither the generals or the FJP care as much about issues like economic liberalization, the break up of state monopolies, or equal access to media for all.

Because of that, they may pay for their dismissal of the young revolutionaries with more destabilizing protests that will hinder any economic recovery and further plunge Egypt into disarray and despair.

On Thursday, Egyptians marked the beginning of the 1973 Yom Kippur war. They don’t call it “Yom Kippur,” but rather the “6th of October.” As Wendell Steavenson in the New Yorker points out, the date marks “the only time in four Arab-Israeli wars that the Egyptians had the better of the Israelis.” Despite warnings from several quarters, the Israelis were woefully unprepared for the attack on the eve of one of their most sacred holidays, and the gains made by the Egyptians — taking back the Sinai captured during the 1967 War — allowed the Egyptian leaders and people to fool themselves into believing they actually won the war. (The Israelis pushed the Egyptians back in less than a week and advanced within about 50 miles of Cairo before being stopped by Nixon.)

The Israelis returned the Sinai to Egypt as a result of the Camp David accords in exchange for a “cold peace” that is fraying at the edges as a result of the revolution. Muslim Brotherhood leaders have made it clear that they hate the peace treaty and several of their leaders have said that they want to scrap it.

And yet, several high ranking members of the Obama administration sat down with these anti-Semites and made it clear that they would deal with them as if they were a legitimate political party on the cusp of taking power. Sweet words about “democracy” and “human rights” and accepting the fait accompli of an organization taking power that birthed al-Qaeda and Hamas to this day reveal an administration either fooling itself or glutted with wishful thinking.

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  • ze-ev ben jehudah

    U.S. government officials meet with members of the muslim brother[hoods]
    a terrorist organisation who denied the excistence of a Jewish state and want
    to eliminate the state of Israel and drive every living Jew in to the sea.
    Don't tell me that Mr Barack Hussein Obama has no knowledge of this.
    I have seen photo's;on the Pamela Geller site,where Barack Hussein Obama
    is seen with and collaborating with the black panther organization.
    Barack Hussein Obama does not like Jews but loves muslim terrorists

    • Guest

      The Muslim Brotherhood can't be called a terrorist organisation because they are anti-Zionist. Hamas is freedom fighters according to Russia, China, Africa and South America. Only us (Americans) and EU labeled them as terrorist organisation. And about Barack Hussein Obama not liking Jews, watch his UN speech…Very Zionism.

      • ObamaYoMoma

        The Muslim Brotherhood can't be called a terrorist organisation because they are anti-Zionist.

        You are right, the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas can't be called terrorist organizations, because terrorism and jihad are mutually exclusive manifestations and two entirely different things altogether. As terrorism, which as it name implies always involves violence and can be for any number of political causes, is a product of Western civilization only. While jihad, on the other hand, which in stark contrast to terrorism can be both violent and non-violent, is holy fighting in the cause of Allah against unbelievers to make Islam supreme, and it is also a product of Islamic civilization only.

        In addition, the notion that Muslims are motivated by anti-Zionism is utterly absurd and indicates that you are extremely gullible and narrow-minded to say the least. The reality is Muslims are anti-unbelievers not anti-Zionist, since besides the permanent genocidal jihad of conquest they are waging perpetually against the Jewish unbelievers in Israel, Muslims are also currently waging permanent jihads of conquest perpetually against Hindu unbelievers in Kashmir, Jammu, and India, Buddhist unbelievers in Thailand, Christian unbelievers in the Philippines, atheist and Orthodox Christian unbelievers in Chechnya and Russia, animist and Christian unbelievers in Cote D'Ivoire, Nigeria, Sudan, Somalia, Kenya, Ethiopia, and Uganda, Orthodox Christian Serb unbelievers in Bosnia and Kosovo, and on and on ad nauseum. Including the stealth global jihad via mass Muslim immigration to the West and other non-Islamic countries for the purpose of demographic conquest to make Islam supreme.

        Indeed, the fact that you single out only the jihad being waged perpetually against the Jewish unbelievers in Israel and only that jihad alone, in the face of all those many other jihads of conquest that are also being waged perpetually by Muslims simultaneously around the world against many other unbelievers besides only Jewish unbelievers, implies that you must be motivated by anti-Semitic bigotry and Jew hatred as well, or otherwise that you are a complete and utter ignoramus and gullible useful idiot where Islam is concerned, or most probably both.

        Hamas is freedom fighters according to Russia, China, Africa and South America.

        That is ludicrous, as jihadists like the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas can't be freedom fighters since they are both fighting unbelievers in the cause of Allah to make Islam supreme per the sixth and most important pillar of Islam. Not to mention also that freedom, freedom of conscience, all manmade laws, inalienable human rights, and democracy are all also antithetical to Islam as well.

        Only us (Americans) and EU labeled them as terrorist organisation.

        Which is absurd, as terrorism is a product of Western civilization only, while jihad, on the other hand, is a product of Islamic civilization only. Indeed, Westerners never perpetrate terrorism in the cause of Allah against unbelievers to make Islam supreme. Likewise Muslim never fight jihad for any number of Western political causes. Instead, they only fight jihad in the cause of Allah against unbelievers to make Islam supreme, per the dictates of the sixth and most important pillar of Islam. Thus, labeling them terrorist organization is a testament to how incredibly blinded by political correct multiculturalism both governments have become.

        And about Barack Hussein Obama not liking Jews, watch his UN speech…Very Zionism.

        Have you ever heard that actions speak louder than words? I've been listening to Barack Obama's hope and change speeches since he was running for President, but unlike you I was never gullible enough to believe anything he says. Thus, when he turned out to be virulently anti-Israel and a far leftist radical hack, I for one wasn't surprised in the least as he never fooled me.

    • marat1

      It is clear that Obama despises Israel and no doubt has no use for the Jews in general–except for their money. Jews are a speck of the U.S. population but they constitute an unbelievable 50% of all U.S. billionaires. Hey, don’t fault them for their industriousness and brains. A lot of this dough has traditionally gone to Democratic candidates–until now. Jews are more savvy as to Obama’s lies, his stream of broken promises and his willingness to throw Israel right under the bus in a flash. His tenure in the White House does not speak of much intelligence. On the contrary, the man is out of touch with actual events and their implications. For example, a poll of Egyptians this past year showed that more than 80% of Egyptians support the Execution of Homosexuals, Adulterers and ANYONE who converts to another religion (i.e. other than Islam). How promising for this soon to be “Democratic” regime of “rebels.” As in Libya, the agenda of those who will be in power is the imposition of Islamic Sharia so-called “law” (the Oxymoron of the Century). Stay tuned for the stoning of women, genital mutilation and all the other joys of Muslim culture.

  • Dispozadaburka

    There are three people working in the White House that are in the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Not counting Obama.

    I wonder if that gal (Weiner's wife) who is in the Muslim Sisterhood,

    is still working for Hillary?

    Hmmmmmm… It's a small world afterall……

    • Asher

      Sure Huma Abedin was supplying info to the Brotherhood.

  • StephenD

    "…rather than dialoguing with the Brotherhood, the US should be working to forge alliances between the more secular, liberal, and moderate parties."
    But this would be counter to what a good Islamic Operative would do. The fact that the M.B. has vowed to destroy America and its miserable house from within" doesn't raise a concern in this W.H. because he AGREES with this! He also is doing all he can to "Fundamentally Change" America. We heard him say so! But not enough of us understood that this was a threat…not a promise.

  • Asher

    So now this government is openly conversing with Sworn Terrorists of the United States. We have surely fallen into a pit of Vipers!

    • marat1

      In another age, this man would have been tried for Treason. And, while I am at it, consider his Emporial edict for his ENTIRE staff this past year. They were all FORBIDDEN from using the terms “Muslim Terrorist” or “Islamic Terror.” Does this sad pseudo-President really hate reality that much? Is it such a slight on his birthright that he would forbid free speech in his own domain of control? So now he issues euphemisms. They are “MUSLIM terrorists.” They are just…..oh, “criminal elements.” He has SANITIZED the Islamic world. I suggest that everyone here actually READ the Koran if they have not done so yet. It is one of the most despicable HATE DOCUMENTS that I have EVER come across in my life, with page after page after page of rantings that incite and foment Muslims to kill virtually all individuals who REFUSE to be Subjugated by Islam (though Jews are ESPECIALLY singled out). Violence to achieve the SUPERIORITY of Islam is Blatantly endorsed by this book. In point of fact, the worldwide Epidemic of Islamic Terror (now extant in some 20 nations) is little more than a Blessing to world Muslims to pillage and plunder so long as Islam itself expands. It makes Mein Kampf look like a children’s fairytale.

  • Moishe Pupick

    F., 10/07/11 common era

    The Moslem Brotherhood was a close ally of Nazi Germany during WW2. Of course, it now claims to be secular and nonviolent; and it wouldn't lie– would it?

    Perhaps Justice Elana Kagen will break bread with some of the members of the MB.
    After all, as Dean of Harvard Law, she facilitated a Saudi donation of $1 million to start a department of sharia law studies. One would think that as a Jewish lesbian, she would have known better. Ivy League education = lack of common survival sense?

  • 080

    Dialoguing with MB is like doing it with Osama Bin Laden who received all his training in radical Islamism from MB.

  • steven l

    Which section of the MB!
    Does the US delegation knows anything about taqyia, fundamental Islamic rule of deception when dealing with other and non-Muslims in particular!

  • steven l

    Kissinger was chiefly instrumental in the near defeat of Israel from the treacherous attack from the Arabs. Shame on the Muslims who have NO respect for anything. They will be cursed till ETERNITY.
    Obama cannot have a 2nd term!

  • Brujo Blanco

    The MB and communists have something in common. They force people to do things they would not normally do and thus blight them to do other things. They will be asking us to forsake Israel and then worldwide Jewry.

  • aspacia

    We need to lose OBAMANATION, and we do not need another WBYA!

  • WilliamJamesWard

    Obama has been consorting with Muslim terrorists from day one. It will be his
    administration in the name of America that will sell out all democratically
    inclined orgainzations. Why Congress does not investigate Obama's actions
    as illegal and anti-American is hard to understand, Clinton is all about money
    and power, Bill will continue to get multi-million dollar speaking tours in
    Muslim circles. Obama will do all he can, no matter what to strengthen
    the Muslim Brotherhood and help destroy Israel-America and he is well on
    his way doing this. Obama's leftist army of appointed stooges will do America
    so much harm we may never be able to recover, Justice must be ours………William

  • ObamaYoMoma

    President Barack Obama doesn’t believe that the Muslim Brotherhood is a threat to anyone and that their disavowal of terrorism can be trusted.

    It's genuine all right, as Muslims fight jihad via violent and non-violent means in the cause of Allah against unbelievers to make Islam supreme, which is a product of Islamic civilization only. While terrorism, on the other hand, which can be for any number of political causes and as its name implies is always violent, is a product of Western civilization only.

    Thus, there is nothing unusual or disingenuous with respect to Muslims denouncing terrorism, since Muslims are never terrorists, as that would be un-Islamic. However, jihad, on the other hand, which is holy fighting in the cause of Allah against unbelievers to make Islam supreme is an entirely different matter altogether. Has the Muslim Brotherhood disavowed jihad? Indeed, did our blinded by political correct multiculturalism US government even ask if they disavowed jihad, which it purposely conflates with terrorism? I doubt it, since according to John Brennan, Obama's terrorism czar, jihad means to purify oneself or to wage a holy struggle for a moral goal.

    Recall the testimony of the Director of National Intelligence James Clapper last February when, appearing before House Intelligence Committee he startled onlookers and Members of Congress by saying the the MB was “largely secular” and that they had pursued “social ends,” and “a betterment of the political order in Egypt.”

    “In other countries, there are also chapters or franchises of the Muslim Brotherhood, but there is no overarching agenda, particularly in pursuit of violence, at least internationally,” he told the committee.

    If dumb and dumber gullible useful idiots like John Brennan and James Clapper hold important positions in the Obama administration, one can only imagine how inept and incompetent all other high ranking government officials in the Obama administration are as well.

    Indeed, if anyone wonders how our US government can remain so blind with respect to Islam and also with respect to the the two incredibly counterproductive and extremely fantasy based nation-building missions in Afghanistan and Iraq we are still entangled in after 10 years, one can easily see why, as we have only the dumbest of the dumb leading our federal government, which is what inevitably happens when we let the Left hijack and co-opt our institutions of government.

    Barry Rubin suggests that rather than dialoguing with the Brotherhood, the US should be working to forge alliances between the more secular, liberal, and moderate parties. The CIA​ ran such a covert program after World War II​ saving Italy and France from a Communist takeover. There’s no reason to believe it wouldn’t work again, given the stakes involved and the united belief of non-Islamic parties that religion should play a minor or non-existent role in the new Egyptian government and constitution.

    Barry Rubin, who is a Wilsonian neo-con addicted to wishful thinking, needs to read the polls of the Egyptian people. Such an undertaking would be an enormous waste of US resources, similar to the enormous waste of resources currently occurring in Afghanistan and Iraq, as the more secular, liberal, and moderate parties would inevitably be obliterated by the much larger population of devout Muslims that wouldn't hesitate to resort to violence to eradicate their secular, blasphemous, and apostate adversaries. Indeed, as long as Islam, which is diametrically opposed to freedom, freedom of conscience, manmade laws, and democracy, prevails in that part of the world, working to establish democracy will be a fantasy based fool's game.

  • topperj

    Maybe Clapper caught the clap years ago and it affected his ability to tell right from wrong, black from white and good vs; true evil.