Obama Administration Bans the Truth About Islam and Jihad

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It has been a long time coming, but the Obama Administration has now officially banned the truth. Deputy U.S. Attorney General James Cole declared Wednesday at a conference in Washington that he had “recently directed all components of the Department of Justice to re-evaluate their training efforts in a range of areas, from community outreach to national security.” This “reevaluation” will remove all references to Islam in connection with any examination of Islamic jihad terror activity. The Obama Administration has now placed off-limits any investigation of the beliefs, motives and goals of jihad terrorists.

Dwight C. Holton, former U.S. Attorney for the District of Oregon, emphasized that training materials for the FBI would be purged of everything politically incorrect: “I want to be perfectly clear about this: training materials that portray Islam as a religion of violence or with a tendency towards violence are wrong, they are offensive, and they are contrary to everything that this president, this attorney general and Department of Justice stands for. They will not be tolerated.”

Holton said that he had spoken with Attorney General Eric Holder about FBI training materials that Holton claimed were “egregiously false,” and that Holder “is firmly committed to making sure that this is over….we’re going to fix it.” Holton said that this “fix” was particularly urgent because the rejected training materials “pose a significant threat to national security, because they play into the false narrative propagated by terrorists that the United States is at war with Islam.”

Cole suggested that these training materials had done damage domestically as well: “One of the many, tragic legacies of 9/11 has been an increase in prejudice, discrimination and hatred directed against persons of the Muslim and Sikh faiths and those who are, or who are mistakenly perceived to be, of Arab or South Asian descent. Some have wrongly sought to blame the horror of 9/11 on Arab-American, Muslim American, Sikh-American and South Asian American communities. It has led to attacks against places of worship and other hate crimes, to job discrimination, and to the tragic harassment of children in our schools.”

After sketching out this horror tale, Cole declared: “We must never allow our sorrow and anger at the senseless attack of 9/11 to blind us to the great gift of our diversity.” And this, he said, must involve a rejection of the stereotyping of Muslims: “All of us must reject any suggestion that every Muslim is a terrorist or that every terrorist is a Muslim.  As we have seen time and again – from the Oklahoma City bombing to the recent attacks in Oslo, Norway – no religion or ethnicity has a monopoly on terror.” It was George Bush, he said, who after 9/11 “made clear to the nation that these terrorist acts were committed by individuals who distort the peaceful religion of Islam,” and now all government analysis of jihad terror would reflect that perspective.

Of course, the controversial training materials did not really claim that all Muslims are terrorists or that all terrorists are Muslims, and it is noteworthy that Cole had to resort to dismissive caricatures to make his point. For in taking this course, the Obama Administration is bowing to pressure from the Hamas-linked Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) and other Islamic advocacy groups. In a Los Angeles Times op-ed that appeared on the same day as the conference in Washington, Salam al-Marayati of the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) roundly criticized existing training materials about jihad terror and demanded that the FBI and the Justice Department “issue a clear and unequivocal apology to the Muslim American community; establish a thorough and transparent vetting process in selecting its trainers and materials; invite experts who have no animosity toward any religion to conduct training about any religious community to law enforcement.”

Al-Marayati complained that training materials reflected “bigoted and inflammatory views on Muslims, including claims that ‘devout’ Muslims are more prone toward violence, that Islam aims to ‘transform a country’s culture into 7th century Arabian ways,’ that Islamic charitable giving is a ‘funding mechanism for combat’ and that the prophet Muhammad was a ‘violent cult leader.’”

In this al-Marayati was simply repeating talking points from an “expose” of FBI training materials by hard-Left journalist Spencer Ackerman in Wired, who has been conducting a campaign for some time to get the bureau to purge its terrorism training seminars of any hint of the truth about the global jihad and Islamic supremacism. Yet like virtually all Leftist and Islamic supremacist critics of anti-jihad and anti-terror material, Ackerman and al-Marayati take for granted that such assertions are false, without bothering to explain how or why. Apparently they believe that their falsity is so self-evident as to require no demonstration; unfortunately, however, there is considerable evidence that they are true, and that in banning such materials, the Obama Administration has essentially banned the truth.

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  • Beth

    We shall see what 2012 produces. Hopefully, America will end up with an administration (finally) that is going to stand for the U.S. Constitution and put their koran upon the table for ALL to see the evil that is preached in it.

    That will be a joyous day, should that happen. And these thugs in Washington can go down in shame – Forever.

    • aspacia

      A careful analysis of the Qu'ran, will cause a careful analysis of the Torah and New Testament. Both are violent, however no practicing Jew or Christian ever wanted to follow Joshua's violent ways.

      Many faithful, like Jasser, cherry pick the verses that suit them. Many Catholics use birth control and argue for the death penalty regardless of what the pope orders.

      A Deist

      • Hamilton

        Sorry to strongly disagreee with you. There are 500+ verses in the KORAN against the infidel, how to treat them, how to kill them, how they are the worst of cratures, how we are gonna roast, broil and nurn in hell, how Allah hates us and will torment us in thte GEENA (hell), how are not to be trusted..etc etc etc… there are NO such things in the way KOran portrays them in the New or OLD testament…and the intolerant verses are so few…I mean VERY FEW, like you read the OLD testament and they are scattered here and there….it is almost unnoticeable….please, go read the Koran and come back with some more smart comments

      • Beth

        I thank you for this opportunity aspacia, due to your words "cherry pick the verses"

        My challenge to you – since you have made the accusation that The New Testament is violent:

        Present just one scripture from the New Testament that teaches humans to be violent with each other – and remember – The sword comes from the mouth.

        You will not be able to come up with even one.

        Until then, you will remain a liar. Not because I so-say – but the facts do – until you prove your statement by producing scriptures from the New Testament that teach humans to be violent with each other. You will find nothing but the opposite.

        Now – back to the koran and the violence that it DOES teach.

        • aspacia

          Okay:
          http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt_list

          I am a Deist, and am skeptical of all formal religions. To me, religion is used for power, and profit.

          Also, much has been lost in translation and much has been omitted by the patriarchs in Nicea.

          A Deist, Feminist, Goy Zionist

          • Beth

            I rest my case. You can not present ANY New Testament Scriptures that teach humans to be violent with each other (because none exist)

            The subject of our times is islam and the brutality that it teaches – a reality that you want everyone to ignore, obviosly, because you keep avoiding the subject.

          • aspacia

            You did not read the link, which includes the Torah and Qu'ran! Do not waste my time with nonsence and your red herring. I know the Qu'ran is violent, but so is the New Testament and Torah. I simply am stating the facts.

            Ask your religious leader, or better yet READ THE BIBLE if you do not believe me. I use to win Bibles as a child.

            Matthew

            Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned "with unquenchable fire." 3:10, 12

            Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17

            Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 5:29-30

            Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7:13-14

            Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 7:19

            "The children of the kingdom [the Jews] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 8:12

            Jesus tells a man who had just lost his father: "Let the dead bury the dead." 8:21

            Jesus sends some devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the waters below. 8:32

          • nobodyshero

            Interesting that you know so much about Matthew yet insist on referring to yourself as a deist. Its admonitions should be taken very seriously.

          • aspacia

            Only if you believe. I was baptized Catholic, raised Episcopalian and am now a Deist.

            Should I also take the Qu'ran and Torah's admonitions seriously.

            I will desist as this thread concerns another topic.

          • Beth

            Then you did not understand the facts. I posted – that no Scripture exists in the New Testament that teaches humans to be violent with each other. Not One. You have yet to present even one. (none exist)

            Mat 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels [aspacia NOT HUMANS] shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just.

            Lev 24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he SHALL surely BE put to death, and all the congregation [those who dwell in heaven Rev 12:12] shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the LORD, – SHALL BE – put to death.

            Continue:

          • Beth

            Jer 51:39 In their heat I will make their feasts, and I will make them drunken, that they may rejoice, and sleep a perpetual sleep, and not wake, saith the LORD.

            Isa 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

            Psa 21:8 Thine hand shall find out all thine enemies: thy right hand shall find out those that hate thee.

            NEVER – has the Bible taught humans to do bodily harm to themselves.

            Aside from all that – You have YET to put forth New Testament Scriptures that teach humans to be violent with other.

            They teach:

            Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

            Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the [Christian] law.

          • Beth

            "I know the Qu'ran is violent, but so is the New Testament"

            Until you present the New Testament Scriptures that teach humans to be violent with each other – you'll be telling a lie. I'm not in any way pointing that out for your benefit – but for all others who will read these posts.

          • aspacia

            Beth, this thread is about O's admin. banning facts regarding Islam, just as you would like to ban fact regarding Christianity, both are ill conceived behaviors.

            If memory serves Leviticus, the book of Levi, is in the Torah, not The New Testament. You keep separating these two books, why? "
            Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17" The last supper is similar to the Jewish Passover meal.

            Regardless, there is much violence and the threat of violence in the New Testament. Jesus did say: Think not that I have come to bring peace, I have come to bring the sword to drive father against son…

            Hence Jesus is not bringing peace, instead he is come to cause family rifts.

            Beth, you are an amateur, talk to your religious leader for insight. I again claim that most religion are paternalistic and violence.

    • sod

      Al-Marayati says things that's opposite to the teaching of Quran, apparently either he is a true muslin (lie happily for advancing islam) or a false one (says things against the teaching). Let's wish he is the later and let true muslins to dicipline him. ollahuokbaromama

      • Beth

        That one always puzzled me. How does a person get away with calling their own prophet a liar – and still be rewarded in the end by their own allah?

        I know that the koran tells them to lie to their enemies – but still – the question remains.

        • nraendowment

          It's simply a part of Taqiyya – any lie that advances Islam is permitted. However, it seems unnecessary with an American President who is actively aiding Islamist goals throughout the world.

          • Beth

            My qeustion is to all so-called 'moderate' mulsims. I believe that such an act is condmened (in the koran) and that there is no justification in islam for doing such a thing (calling their own prophet a liar by denying the words that are in his book)

            My question "How does a person get away with calling their own prophet a liar – and still be rewarded in the end by their own allah?" stands with them – the 'moderate' muslims.

            How can they deny the teaching of crucifixions found in their koran? More importantly – How can they justify that teaching in the name of Peace?

            This is the nitty-gritty of getting at the very core of their spiritual being – and they have yet to give any answers. Just silence.

            Keep asking the questions people. If they refuse to answer – they deserve no credibility.

            (btw – thumbs up on your post nraendowment)

    • glen

      Definitely a dangerous time. This guy has to go. Where is the real birth certificate?

  • http://www.resonoelusono.com/Platform.htm Alexander Gofen

    Islam IS at war against us, and we ARE at war with islam in spite of the denial and betrayal of our major politicians. Islamic enemy agents have already penetrated into the power structures.

    The Department-of-injustice is taken by the traitors Cole/Holder openly conducting the enemy propaganda and policies in favor of the islamic enemy – during the time of war against this very enemy!

    The resident of the White House is an islamic implant, impostor, fraud, and identity thief Obama/Soetoro, covered by the Department-of-injustice owned by him.

    America is infested by islamic piranhas, nested everywhere from their town enclaves to "universities" to their own military training camps.

    Rise up America now! 2012 may be too late! Our infamy lasts already too long, shamefully long!

    Meet at the Washington Monument on 11-11-11.
    <a href="http://www.patriotsunion.org” target=”_blank”>www.patriotsunion.org <a href="http://www.veterandefenders.org” target=”_blank”> <a href="http://www.veterandefenders.org” target=”_blank”>www.veterandefenders.org

    • aspacia

      Holder and Napolitano are under investigation. She was intensely grilled in recent hearing. I didn't realize the old girl could dance so well.

      Both should lose their jobs for criminal behavior.

    • Peri McMillan

      Alexander, I'm trying to get to DC for 11/11/11. I live in Southern CA. Where do you live and how are you getting there? In addition, I agree with all you've said here.

    • Shane

      I agree! Obama is a dhimmi and an Islamophile. We need to ban all Muslim immigration into the USA and Europe.
      Tell the truth about Islam: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INll6Y5iqbM

  • kafir4life

    So what does oru imam in chief believe should be done should someone point out the fact that islam is a gutter cult invented by a pedophilic madman named mohamat? Are there to be ramifications should the fact that this mohamat liked to have sex with goats and pigs come out? What if he were to be told that the terror guide, the koran, was written in fecal matter that was ejected as a result of a meal of, following sex with his favorite uncooked pig, or "mom" as he called him? Can someone get in trouble for pointing these truths out?

    allahu snackbar!

  • kafir4life

    454 days and the national nightmare aka the obama administration will be over. Thank God!!

    • Bruce

      any government that does not allow us to protect our country should be considered treasonous and removed imediately…………..London Is currently battling with those who insist thaat the Koran demands shariah law and they are another group acting violent in the name of Islam….Another one is doing the same in the Philipines, Chechnia, Libya,All of the Stan's such as Pakistan where Christians are being killed for their belief…In France, Lifelong residents are being threatenned. We must understand that if Obama is going to put political correctness in front of our National security then we deemand that he step down immediately!!!!!!!!!!!!….Islam is full Of hatred, and we will not allow that curse to come to our country without a huge fight…..Ahmed is defnding the killing of young woman under Shariah law…Allah is guilty of allowing that to happen even when the girl is innocent…I/m sure that Ahmed is proud of his barbaric false religion

    • djpaddle

      no it wont,not unless the GOP put someone out there that the people will voye I have seen one yet

  • ahmed

    These comments are full of hate.

    • Phil Esteen

      No, Ahmed, these comments are full of utter stupidity.

      It is something we Americans have learned to take to such a high level of artifice that we begin to believe in our own lies and ignorance. It happens in every country when the people in power can no longer maintain that power and find someone to blame.

      • nimo

        perpetual war, the military industrial complex, and a holy grudge since the Crusades (because, in all honesty, the westerners got their asses handed to them by the nations of the middle east)….. there will always be a new enemy, always a new reason to build more deadly weapons and strategies as long as folks like that are in power.

        our soldiers are being killed by guns made by their own country and their countries allies…. we all are to blame for allowing it to continue.

        sadly, we have much growing to do in this world.

        • nimo

          i wonder why a message of peace is so unnacceptable with some of you folks?

          -5 and counting?

          are you sure youre christians?

          to advocate for war, violence while claiming peace, democracy and christianity is the epitome of hypocrisy.

          • ChrisNichols

            No, to apologize for the atrocities of a religion that has basically destroyed christianity, and judaism in the middle east is hypocrisy.

        • Martin K

          How come the Muslims ever wound up in Jerusalem if their peaceful religion was founded in what is today Mecca/Medina Saudi Arabia? How could Muslims invade lands they were not DRIVEN OUT like Spain? Prior to the siege of Vienna, there were NO Muslims in the city, who could have claimed they were driven out?
          Tell me about Constantinople, before it was sacked by Muslims it was a primarily CHRISTIAN city. Shall I go on? And then if you find something objectionable in the Bible, well MoHAMmel the lice-ridden prophet of Islam claimed that "allah the STONED-GAWD" sent the Laws to Moses, gave the Psalms to David, and sent Jesus with HIS TRUTH. So if you dislike anything in the Bible complain to allah, as he is the "source" of all the truths given in the 3 Abrahamic religions.

    • Ted

      Only when they qoute the unholy koran!

      • nimo

        so accepting and tolerant. hows that "holy" book of death, genocide, hate, and fear treating you? what was it called again? the bible?

        have you happened to actually read what jesus tried to teach you?

        • pagegl

          Don't quote the Old Testament, it is not what Jesus taught.

          • nimo

            dont quote any of the bible either… ONLY Jesus' teachings.

        • ChrisNichols

          Please, tell me what Jesus tried to preach to me? I am confused. I am being called intolerant for believing in a Holy book of death genocide and hate and fear – which is actually the Koran, not the Bible – then I am being lambasted for not following the teachings of Christ? Which is it? Don't bother to explain, it will just be more made of nonsense like the rest of your posts.

    • Marty

      What, exactly, is wrong with hating a totalitarian doctrine that preaches pedophilia and relentless brutality? Three fifths of the koran's content has to do with what muslims (in the name of allah) are going to inflict on non-muslims. When are muslims going to denounce the vile filth that comes out of the miserable mouths of imams all over the world who insist on islam's "right" to dominate and humiliate those of us who they haven't yet slaughtered, but refuse accept islam's purported supremacy? Current and potential dhimmis have the right and moral obligation to hate and denounce islam as a plague that destroys human dignity and freedom.

      • nimo

        see: history of catholicism.

        get back to me when your done and i can give you more.

        PEOPLE are evil. PEOPLE. not just islam.

        • nimo

          we all have splinters in our eyes, friend… and we all need to do some growing up socially and spiritually.

          • ChrisNichols

            Don't tell me to grow up while you apologize for an ideology that would have you on your knees or dead while living under the protection of those you despise.

        • Matt

          Nimo,
          "see: history of catholicism."
          Spot on mate, however, do not equate Catholicism with Christianity, they are not the same thing.
          As an Evangelical Christian, I am at odds with the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church & their replacement theology. If you care to look back through history you will find that wars fought in the name of Christianity or God were actually under the direction of the Vatican & successive Pope's. re; The Crusades!
          I also agree that people are inherently sinnful in nature, including myself however, there is a vast difference in the teachings of Jesus & the Bible as opposed to Mohammud & the Koran. Your claim of equivalency between the 2 demonstrates a lack of understanding bordering on willful ignoance.
          If you care to examine all the main religions, Islam is the only one that advocates violence against unbelievers, requires death for apostacy, homosexuality & adultery.
          In 2010, all acts of terrorism worldwide, were committed under the banner of Islam.

          • Greg

            Matt-
            As a former Catholic, I agree with you. May the peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you… always

          • Matt

            Thankyou, & also with you.

        • jaihawk

          His point was not what evil men are capable of, but the fact it's taught and encouraged to kill, rape, mame, and sell the infidels in their 'holy' book. If people, especially Muslims would just acknowledge this, especially our satanic government, Marty wouldn't have commented.

        • Martin K.

          Can you cite ANY Muslim WOMAN who became as FAMOUS as the Christian Mother Theresa?
          As to the "catholic" history, well they took their inspiration from the "truth" allah claimed to have given.

        • Larry

          Catholic's give Christians a bad name.

    • Stuart Parsons

      THOSE WHO CRY ALLAHU AKBAR DO NOT SUPPORT DEMOCRACY, FREEDOM OF SPEECH, RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE AND MULTICULTURALISM. iSLAM IS A FAR GREATER THREAT TO THE WELL-BEING OF MANKIND THAN FASCISM AND COMMUNISM EVER WERE.

      We help the Libyans overthrow a tyrant and they thank us by announcing their new state will be founded on all the old horrors of the mythical Allah, his self-proclaimed narcissistic 'Prophet and Messenger' and the ghastly Sharia Law. Oh when will Western politicians learn ???

    • aspacia

      ahmed,

      Ever peruse what Muslim religious leaders espouse? If so, you actually come here and claim we are full of hate? No, it is the many Muslim fanatics who are full of hate.

    • Beth

      ahmed – that's a cop out (and an evil accusation) because…

      If you were REALLY against hate – you'd be complaining about the teachings that are in the Koran. Such as "crucifictions" – "kill all of the infidels" – "fight them until they feel subdued" etc etc etc

      For the fact you refuse to address the evidence (denying it is not addressing it) – why should anyone believe that you even know what the word "hate" means?

    • ahmadtheterrorist

      It's a good thing there is no hatred toward the US. What a joke.

  • Dispozadaburka

    Eurabia,
    Saudi America.
    NWO coming to fruition.

  • StephenD

    So what if the Justice Department won't allow for the facts in its official training? Throughout history the truth has a way of letting itself be known. We can assist in this regard whenever and wherever we have a chance to speak out on the issue. It is our responsibility to be informed so that we can justly convey the truth when called upon. The "Truth" is a living thing and cannot be forever hidden. I am not concerned with these feeble attempts by the evil one. He isn’t called "The father of lies" by accident.

    • Rolling Eyes

      The picture currently being painted is not one of truth triumphing but of truth being silenced at every turn. With so much effort being put into implementation of hate speech legislation worldwide (with islam the only apparent winner under such legislation) truth doesn't seem to stand a chance. I say we cannot wait for truth to out, we have to fight this silencing every way we can. Who knows, it may not be long before the justice Department monitors sites like this…for all we know, we could all be on some sort of hate speech list as it is.

    • lynn

      But they have NO problem claiming Christians are radicals and need to be watched closely….

  • PatriotX

    In the New Testament Jesus never commanded the apostles in any way to murder, rape or torture people that would not accept the gospel. He simply told them to shake the dust from their sandals and move on. He did not speak or condone anything remotely violent in His seromons to His disciples. Those who participated in the Christian crusades were not adhering to His teachings or concepts when they went on these religious conquests.

    The Islamic crusaders on the other hand did exactly what Muhammad told them to do. Those who did not convert would be put to death. Khalid al Whalid a.k.a. “The Sword of Allah” was one of the most ruthless and lead some of the bloodiest conquests after the death of Muhammad. Funny….you don’t hear about any of this in too many history books or in the classrooms however you hear all there is to know about the Christian crusades…hmmmmm…I wonder why?

    • Asher

      Knights Templars are Ready!

      • nimo

        sounds like youre ready for a holy war.

        kinda like a jihadist, but white.

        do you even own a mirror?

        • PatriotX

          I’m not condoning a religious war, I’m just merely pointing out that we have a seriously biased education system.

        • Beth

          "sounds like youre ready for a holy war"

          yeah – nimo – i guess you could say that.
          PatriotX is armed and ready – WITH THE TRUTH and we all know (that includes you) that islam can't win against the Truth. So islam fights back with 'sticks and stones' and lies.

          I prefer the way that PatriotX has displayed. Speak the Truth. Much less bloodshed.

          • David

            Don't forget in Revelation there will be a war. And TRUE Christians will win. Not because we started it though.

            Remember why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah? The main reason was their immoral homosexuality. But the straw was when they sought to attack Gods man and His angels.

            Islamist's see Christians as weak because we will not go out killing for our faith. But they have no idea.

    • David

      Because Satan seeks to hide the truth.

  • BobSmith101

    Obama’s Muslim childhood and madrassa experience clearly have diminished his ability to be objective about Islam.

    Obama like most Muslims at least have an excuse. That is – subtle childhood brainwashing has permanently scarred their ability to be rational about the issue of Islam.

    But the non-Muslim leftist wonks in the Obama administration have proven themselves to be unthinking ideologues who have no excuse for being fools.

    Read how "fear" is the driving force of Islam at: http://islamsfatalflaw.blogspot.com/

    • nimo

      is "fear" not the driving force of Christianity? explain to me how it is not.

      • BobSmith101

        nimo – read the article.

        Yes, I will agree with you that the same phenomena I describe is applicable to Christianity. But there is a significant difference.

        Once you have read the article and If you want to debate the issue, contact me via the email address on the website.

        • nimo

          i did read the article.

          what debate can there be when such a staunch anti islamic stance is the foundation of the discussion?

          what debate can there be when the debate is framed with such a small world view?

          violence and religion go hand in hand in any society anywhere. no debate there. what needs debate is why we, as the supposed "most intelligent beings" on earth allow such psychological failings to continue 2000 years later.

          we are incredibly immature spiritually and socially. WE. not just THEM.

          • Martin K.

            What is to debate?

            9:5 "Fight and kill non-muslims wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."

            8:12 : I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

            9:29 : Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

            OK this is supposed to be "literal"? If not please also explain how faithful Muslim can use "Horses" in a spiritual endeavor fighting against their own wickedness? Or to strike off all their "fingertips" of their enemies? Well without fingers one could not use bow and arrows to fight. Today without fingers it would be difficult to fire a handgun. BUT I know a handicapped person who fights against his limitations.
            Again if all these "violent" verses are meant in reality to be "peaceful" would not the all knowing stoned-gawd allah KNOW this? Did MoHAMmell misunderstand his ? After all he admitted to have mistaken "Satan" words as this of his demented deity. And that humans would misread the kooraan? After all the last revelation (as claimed by the lice-ridden MoHAMmel) asserted that the Jews and Christian "falsified" the truth allahs former "Messengers" gave to people….

            Fine, please instead of educating US, you should educate Muslims NOT TO take those word literal, like the Muslim Dude in Sarajevo who tried to kill people, a few days ago…… Muslims have the choice to disregard a lot of stuff people like you claimed to have tossed out from the "bible" allah the stoned-gawd gave to Jesus. Ah you do know that MoHAMmel claimed that Jesus did not die on the cross… I'll let you search the Kooraan for the passage….

      • pagegl

        Have you read the New Testament?

        • nimo

          sure have. tossed out most of it and kept only what jesus said and then stopped beleiving in what i have been told Christianity is, and followed only what CHRIST said. he is the only figure that TRULY matters in CHRISTianity. the rest is garbage, useless, dogmatic, hateful, and violent. and then i read about Daoism, Hinduism etc… many of these teachings offer more relation to the teachings of christ than the supposed "divine inspiration" of the "authors" of the bible.

          • nimo

            have you wondered why the Old testament wasnt good enough and a New Testament had to be written? is it the same god? if not, why?

          • nimo

            no answer then?

            just coming back to give me a "thumbs down"?

            anyone?

          • Jye

            You're an idiot and obviously ignorant! I'm not even a Christian and I know the answer to that one. The old Testament detailed the life of the Jews, it also documented the coming of Jesus. The New Testament is the life and teachings of Jesus. It had nothing to do with the Old Testament being "not good enough". What a tool!

      • David

        Christians fear God not man. The driving force behind Christianity is Love. Because while we hated God he STILL sent his only son so that he who believes shall not perish but have everlasting life.

        We ALL deserve death and hell for eternity. You SHOULD fear that. It is a healthy fear such as a natural fear of colorful snakes.

    • aspacia

      BHO is a Marxist, raised by Marxists and attended a Muslim school. These facts did make him what he is not–a patriotic U.S. citizen.

      • trickyblain

        You seem like an intellegent person, more than most here. So I need to ask, why would you repeat the lie that he attended a religious school? Why do you cling to a lie? What causes your logic and and reason to shut off at this point?
        http://articles.cnn.com/2007-01-22/politics/obama

        • aspacia

          CNN is as biased as most other media sites. My source is Daniel Pipes a Ph.D in history from Harvard: http://www.danielpipes.org/5354/confirmed-barack-

          • trickyblain

            Yes. Not a surprise that you pull the biased/MSM BS. Was it a Madrassa or not? The evidence is really heavily weighted toward "no." Facts don't have bias.

            Then you link me to a Pipes article that's nothing more than a Horowitizian reponse to another joke website (MMA) that happens to be the flip side of the same coin? No bias there. Pipes' website? Ha. Nice profile pic – could he appear more fake and pretentious?

            So, Harvard is "good" b/c Pipes went there? But "bad" for everyone else?

            It is strange to me…smart people desperate to cling to a known lie.

            You do realize there's nothing in the linked piece that substantively supports the headline, right?

          • aspacia

            tricky, you are as vacuous as most liberal trolls. You know what you know and do not want to bother with the facts. That is, you did not bother to read the article which provides valid documents and photographs of regarding Obama part one–part two follows:

            "In a recent analysis, "Was Barack Obama a Muslim?" I surveyed available evidence and found it suggests "Obama was born a Muslim to a non-practicing Muslim father and for some years had a reasonably Muslim upbringing under the auspices of his Indonesian step-father." In response, David Brock's organization, Media Matters for America (MMfA), which calls itself a "progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media," has criticized one of my sources of information.

            MMfA contends in "Daniel Pipes relied on disputed LA Times article to revive Obama-Muslim falsehood," that "key aspects" of a March 16, 2007, Los Angeles Times article I quoted were later challenged by another newspaper account, "History of schooling distorted," by Kim Barker in the Chicago Tribune on March 25.

            Falsehood? That's a strong word.

            To assess MMfA's claim, let's review its preferred article and examine what Barker has to say on four topics related to Obama's Indonesian years, 1967-71:

            His attendance at a Catholic school;
            His attendance at a public school;
            His step-father, Lolo Soetoro; and
            His friend, Zulfan Adi.

            To start with, about the Catholic school, Fransiskus Strada Asisia, which Obama attended 1967-70 (words in square brackets are added by me):

            Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through 3rd grades. At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the religion of their fathers, said [Israella Pareira] Darmawan, Obama's former [1st-grade] teacher. Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said.

            The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia [including by the Los Angeles Times], also was rife with errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Ann, at all.

            Barack Obama with his public school classmates in Indonesia.
            About Obama's time at a public elementary school, 1970-71, variously known as the Sekolah Dasar Nasional Menteng No. 1 or the Basuki school, Barker writes:

          • aspacia

            Part two

            When Obama attended 4th grade in 1971, Muslim children spent two hours a week studying Islam, and Christian children spent those two hours learning about the Christian religion.

            During a recent visit to this public school, Barker found that

            Weekly religious classes are required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the courtyard. "The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room teaching Christianity. It's always been like that."

            About Obama's step-father, Lolo Soetoro and his religiosity, Barker writes:

            In their first neighborhood, Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said. But Soetoro usually was too busy working, first for the Indonesian army and later for a Western oil company. "Sometimes Lolo went to the mosque to pray, but he rarely socialized with people," said Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at the Catholic school, who lived near the family. "Rarely, Barry [a nickname for Barack] went to the mosque with Lolo."

            Barker learned from his friends and family that Lolo Soetoro, who died in 1987, was "much more of a free spirit than a devout Muslim" and "hardly the image of a pious Muslim."

            His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the family," Trisulo recalled.

            As for Zulfan Adi, cited in the Los Angeles Times piece:

            Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during 1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood.

            Does any of the above information from the Chicago Tribune article refute my analysis, as MMfA contends? It raises questions about two details in the Los Angeles Times account (the accuracy of the Catholic school's registration form and the reliability of Zulfan Adi as a source on Obama). But on the larger issue of Obama's religious practices during his Jakarta years, it confirms the Times account. Note in particular three excerpts from Barker's article:

            "Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia" – implying he was an irregularly practicing Muslim.
            "Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said" – confirming that he did pray in the mosque.
            "Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at the Catholic school, who lived near the family [said that] 'Rarely, Barry went to the mosque with Lolo'" – confirming that Obama attended mosque services.

            All this matters, for if Obama once was a Muslim, he is now what Islamic law calls a murtadd (apostate), an ex-Muslim converted to another religion who must be executed. Were he elected president of the United States, this status, clearly, would have large potential implications for his relationship with the Muslim world.

            In sum: Obama was an irregularly practicing Muslim who rarely or occasionally prayed with his step-father in a mosque. This precisely substantiates my statement that he "for some years had a reasonably Muslim upbringing under the auspices of his Indonesian step-father."

            Therefore, what MMfA calls the "Obama-Muslim falsehood" is in fact confirmed by both articles as truthful and accurate.

            Calling this a falsehood is in itself a falsehood.

  • nimo

    woe is us, the many who have fallen victim to the lies, manipulations and distortions of our governments… our leaders of any shade or creed are using us to further their own goals. we have allowed them to perpetuate myths and holy wars for thousands of years… yet these wars between people are over supposedly "peaceful" religions?

    extremism/radicalism/terrorism go hand in hand with LUNACY and IMABALANCE, not a shade of skin or certain area of the world.

    i find it funny that a tea party member calling for the end of the fed, the burning of the government, or the killing of elected officials is seen as patriotic, but a man in Iraq that shoots at a soldier occupying HIS COUNTRY is seen as an evil terrorist. Would Americans be different? are we as citizens not armed to the teeth? do we not regularly spout off our right to be armed and used those arms in violence whether religiously bound or politically? would YOU NOT defend your country from foreign occupation?

    Hitler once said he was "peacefully occupying" Poland, and look what happened… ARE WE SO DIFFERENT? the verbage has changed, sure, now its "humanitarian crisis" that we rush into and save the day… yet, with violent rebellions occuring everywhere, why did we only decisde in favor of a NATO (codename for AMERICA, because we FOUNDED IT) military use of force? arming citizens? why do we not aid in the rebellions of greece? or syria? why do we not speak out against those instances? why when we protest here in america, all the protesters are "hippies that just need a bar of soap and a job" but in the middle east we are hailing "democratic" victories (funded, supported, aided by US tax payers) for countries there?

    painting a turd pink doesnt take away from the fact that its a pile of sh!t. arent you all tired of being fed pink turds?

    • RCCA

      I thank God I live in the United States of America and not in a Muslim country where I know I would be treated as a second class citizen because of being a woman, forced to cover myself and worry about being sufficiently modest, attacked for being a Jew, and undoubtedly tortured for being a lesbian. So I thank God I was not born in a Muslim country but born in the US. I am aware of the blessing of this nation every day.

      Has anyone here said anything about the US being a utopia or perfect? No, so there is no point in finding fault with the US or Christianity or the Bible. We are better because our government and religions are based on the concepts of love and equality and the principle of freedom and separation of church and state. I simply do not see that in Muslim countries. I'm not saying that Muslims are bad people, but I do see their societies as repressive and oppressive.

      Saying that Islam is a tolerant religion that promotes love and peace is painting a turd pink, imo.

      • nimo

        do not twist my words… i never said islam is a tolerant religion more than christianity is, because neither are very tolerant in practice or in words.

        there is every reason to point out not only the sliver in Islams eye AND the log in Christanity's/US's eye as well. we are at fault as much as they are at fault.

        i thank god i was born in america as well, only so far as to say we are "free of war" state side, but we do not free other countries like we would beleive….

        you think our government is based on equality? freedom? LOVE? seriously?

        is our society not repressive as well? we opress information every day… we are constantly lied to by men in suits and plush leather chairs… wake up friend.

    • pagegl

      Dissolving the Fed could help end the economic crisis. Teapartiers do not advocate "burning the government' or "killing of elected officials". Iin fact the vast majority of tea partiers are relatively nonviolent, especially compared to those on the left. You've drinking roo much of the cool aid generated by the leftist disinformation machine.

      What kind of democratic victories in the middle east are you referencing? Obama's support of the Arab Spring is not producing any democracies. At best, it's replacing one dictatorship with another.

      • nimo

        the fact that you are so concerned with labels proves to me that im not the one drinking the kool-aid… to perpetuate the idea of left vs. right is only ment to divide and weaken the people in the face of a true NWO in which none of the leaders care about party affiliation, because they all just want the power.

        a vast majority of the so called "left" is non violent as well, just as much as the "right"… a vast majority of "left" and "right" are violent, ignorant individuals that have been conditioned and brain washed… to think that left or right discerns between whos good or bad is folly. PEOPLE are violent. PEOPLE are power hungry. left or right be damned.

        and yes, you are correct, what is happening in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Egypt soon to be syria, and more IS america replacing one corrupt government (that wouldnt tow the "western line") with our own habndpicked corrupt government. it is a land/power/resource grab.

        we hailed the arab spring as democracy in action. we then turn around and label the Occupy Wall St. movement as a bunch of idiots that dont know what they are doing, and that they should just go home, get a job, and take a shower. sounds alot like "get back in line. be quiet. stop exercising your rights" to me…

        • LCDR Rainer

          No it was the liberal ingrates that touted the arab spring as democracy in action, We who know about Islam and Jihad predicted that Egypt, Tunisia, Lybia would all become Sharia islamic hellholes with even less freedom.

          Sadly Nimo it is obvious that you are a troll, no matter what you are told and no matter what truth is spoken to you, you will twist it to deflect from the true goals and actions of the islamists and decry America as the cause of the worlds problems. I regret that I even take the time to respond to your twisted nonsense. Hateful liars like you must be taken to task though.

      • nimo

        i also agree, end the fed, end the IRS, flat taxes, reform welfare, reform correctional facilites, reform spending, end all wars and stop meddling in other nations affairs.

        YOU may not advocate the killing of elected officials, but MANY have. PEOPLE are hateful. right or left does not matter.

        • Beth

          "YOU may not advocate the killing of elected officials, but MANY have"

          Sounds like very bad incitement to carry out murder nimo. (You will know what is in the heart by what comes out of the mouth – or in this case – the keyboard (same thing)

          • aspacia

            Beth, you are providing fuel for nimo the nicompoop. He is not well-educated, nor rational–just an over emotional liberal.

    • aspacia

      nimo,

      you are either a liar or ignorant. Most of your claim is a lie or distortion. ever read tea party literature, or do you just rely of liberal sources?

    • claudia

      people are so blind all they have is a one side of the story i would too fight till i died if a country tried to come in and take over and shame their religion is sad that people just assumed because they have heard or seen it on movies that islam is bad have they ever went and actually research the history and why the u s of a is so admant in taking over the middle east i dont believe anything the u s says anymore is a bunch of b.s that i dont eat

      • aspacia

        Claudia, daily I read ME media and have taken ME university history classes. We are protecting our economic and political interests for the good of our citizens regardless of gender, faith, sexual preferences, their skin color. Most in the ME are not literate are fueled by religious fire and call for our death. Just peruse what has and is happening to religious minorities in Muslim majority lands.

        We have most all faiths in our military, in our public schools; we do not identify people by their faith, whereas most ME countries do.

        Read and learn from the numerous sites. All are biased, and it is your job to find the facts.

    • Michael

      Excuse me!! Any Tea Party member who calls for the killing of people, burning down the government is NOT a Tea Party member.. They are shunned by the Tea Party in fact.. We don't defecate on police cruisers and don't have sex in public under tarps. Muslims have been attacking Americans before Americans even had their own Navy.. In fact it was because of their attacks on us that caused us to have to get a Navy. The way we stopped them before is to take the battle to their front door.
      The protest here are being sponsored by George Soros and others who want nothing more then to destroy the USA and they have enlisted the help of many uninformed people with just a bit of truth to carry out their march against this country. They have worked hard to get kids on the streets to stir up trouble because they need the chaos to be able to bring about martial law and suddenly we find ourselves in a communistic society. It will happen overnight and then all of the protesters will be rounded up and executed to get out of the new governments way… history is repeating itself again.
      The teaparty is for restoring government back to the constitution where we live by the rule of law not the rule of man like it has been happening for the last 100 years. A Democracy never lasted!! That is why we are a Democratic Republic. Think about what you are trying to accomplish at the Wall Street Protest.. what happens if our banking system fails? Something like that happens and you will see true suffering..

    • truther9991

      … when will you people realize you are worshiping satan? Jesus died to save all people, yet he will return again. what did your false allah say to you – you get virgins? what kind of virgins…demons? hell is a real place maybe it would do you alot of good to realize the Jesus is the only way to the truth and everlasting life. The only way! HE LOVES YOU! Does allah claim to love you and to save you from hell ? to help you when you are broken? I think not! Look at your religion as a whole. What DOES it do for you…what GOOD does it do? NOTHING! JESUS IS THE ONE TRUE GOD AND THE ONLY GOD. i DARE YOU TO READ THE BIBLE BUT YOU WILL NOT BECAUSE THEN YOU WILL BE BEHEADED, AND INFIDEL. WELL I DARE YOU ANYWAY IT IS A LIVING WORD AND SO VERY IMPORTANT!

    • rick

      great comment. we all know damn well that if we ever invaded the same people that are against others defending their country would be grabbing their guns and fighting as well they should be. and we all have to remember that we write the laws of our country to comply with majority belief and muslims do just the same. even though we may not like how they view women or other things that is their belief and we should stay out of it. I just wish others commenting would start to educate themselves intstead of letting the mainstream media form an opinion for them. that is the same tactic that corparations use with sucessful advertising .. sheep wake up

    • Wakeup

      Any religion that stones people to death for any reason is a evil and dangerous bunch of people. They are barbaric and if they follow sharia law then they can beat their wives and children among other despicable things. It is a very violent religion. And what about the poor women who don't have any rights? It's just sick!

  • mrbean

    The lesson is clear. Beware of the Useful Idiots who live in liberal democracies. Knowingly or unknowingly, they serve as the greatest volunteer and effective soldiers of Islam. They pave the way for the advancement of Islam and they will assuredly be among the very first victims of Islam as soon as it assumes power. Islam enjoys a large and influential ally among non-Muslims: A new generation of “Useful Idiots,” that Lenin identified living in liberal democracies who furthered the work of communism. This new generation of Useful Idiots also live in liberal democracies, but serves the cause of Islamofascism—another virulent form of totalitarian ideology.
    Useful Idiots are naïve, they are foolish, they are ignorant of facts, they are unrealistically idealistic, they are dreamers and they are willfully in denial or deceptive. They hail from the ranks of the chronically unhappy. They are anarchists, they are aspiring revolutionaries, they are neurotics who are at war with life, the disaffected alienated from government, corporations, and just about any and all institutions of society

    • nimo

      because liberals and fascists are the same… go far enough right, and you end up left.

      i assume you are christian. i assume you are just as naive. i assume you have been born and raised and bred and indoctrinated to think and feel all that you have espoused here. you are equally foolish. you are equally unhappy. you are equally useful and idiotic.

      i assume you wish for an american government based on "biblical morals and foundations". because, of course, that is different than Sharia law, right? or is it? you wish to destroy a nation governed by its religious practices yet wish for your own nation to be governed by religious practices. hypocrisy is hypocrisy is hypocrisy.

      monotheastic religions are of totalitarian idealogy. every, single, one of them.

      are you not disaffected or alienated by your government? or the corporations that use you? are you not also at war with life? you seem to envision yourself with many enemies….

    • Asher

      The Left supports Islamic and Communist Dictatorships, especially to achieve their goals of a One World Government-Caliphate!

      • nimo

        prove it. dont shout about it. prove it.

        some how you think the "conservative right" isnt interested in the same kind of power grab?

        wake up friend. take off your blinders. we are ALL getting screwed here.

        extremism is extremism. you are no better.

        • Beth

          nimo (you are food for the truth to be told)

          You have yet to address the fact that islam is a major problem for the violence that it breeds.

    • LCDR Rainer

      Couldn't say it better myself.
      Ever since I got out of the service and got back to the states I have watched the left ally themselves with those who tried to kill me and killed my comrades.
      I suffered a broken back in 3 places, broken shoulder and arm, chips in my neck, nerve damage in both arms, traumatic brain injury, closed head injury, and broken ankle due to a cowardly IED attack where they buried explosives under a road we passed over.
      But to the left I do not even deserve a thank you for your sacrifice. Instead I get called names, get told that it's too bad I didn't die, get called a liar, and if they could spit on me I am sure they would.
      The left in this country is sick and their logic is twisted. No amount of explanation will convince them. They are useful idiots for Islam. An Islam that would kill them given the chance. An Islam that would torture them to a point where waterboarding would look like fun. After years of namecalling by libs over the past 5 years I am now immune to it though. I pity them. I may pity them but I still hold them accountable for their words and actions.

      • trickyblain

        Can you provide a definition of "the Left"? I know many mainstream liberals and they would never disrespect you like that. If you are talking about the Cindy Sheehan types, yep – I agree. Clueless morons. But they are a tiny percent of "the left" as defined by pubs like this.

        Thank you for your courage, sacrifice and service,
        -A moderate liberal

      • aspacia

        Thank-you for your service.

  • dpavla

    America supported jihad for decades, many Christians were killed as a result of this love relationship; Lebanon, Egypt, Palestine, Balkans, Russia etc. America is a jihad's escort lady, enjoy the meal they are coming after you.

  • nimo

    ahh, is see now…. this website is just another forum for christian/right wing extremists.

    have a look in the mirror some time folks.

    peace and love and understanding to all of you.

    • Herman Caintonette

      Jewish right-wing extremists, and their Christian fellow travelers. It is easier to reason with a jihadi.

      • ChrisNichols

        Well, then what's stopping you. Buy a one way ticket to Tehran.

      • beez

        It is now May, 2013. Weeks after the Boston Bombers murdered men, women, and children. I'm an orthodox Christian, very mainstream in my religious views. Now I can say with absolute certainty, that those here are not extremists, but moderates who have been pushed to the brink, accused of extremism by the very people who carry out jihad against us on our own shores. You wanted to make extremists of us? So you have. Behold … the Crusader's sword has been unsheathed.

    • aspacia

      I am not a Christian, but a well-educated Deist.

    • Knot Jammin, Jr.

      So, do you hang out at the mosque much. What the Justice department has done is the equivalent of shoving your head up your a$$. Islam is a violent religion. When was the last time you worried about a "Christian" boarding your flight with you. Enough said. Stupid liberals!!

  • nimo

    i would like Robert Spencer to prove his scholarly credentials on islamic/christian theology and history. a man can write many things, but many things are devoid of usefulness. often, the loudest and most ignorant recieve the most attention.

    better to let people think you are a fool than to prove them right.

    • pagegl

      Such as you are doing here?

      Do a little research. Spencer is as, or more, qualified as any of the academics whose salaries are often supported by grants from the Wahabists in Saudi Arabia.

      • nimo

        right, so, did he learn it all in his living room? or in a place where he learns from peers and his "facts" are checked and double checked? has his conclusions been put to the test? or is he just standing on a soap box?

        replying to me that he "just is" as qualified and then attaching some kind of arab conspiracy that Saudi's are funding schools and educations here did not answer the question nor add to the discussion but merely perpetuates whatever kind of hatred you have for other people. do some research into arab/american governmental ties that go back YEARS… and include republican AND democratic leaders in this country…

        the government as a WHOLE is our enemy, more so than a cave dwelling extremist 8,000 miles away.

        please, wake up friend.

    • rulierose

      you keep whining that nobody will answer your question. you seem to be asking what background Spencer has for making these assertions.

      it seems pretty easy for you to check: did you go read the suras he cites from the Koran? I bet if you did you would find they were quoted correctly. have you googled the news reports about the DOJ changing their materials to purge all mention of Islam as the bloodthirsty religion it is? I bet if you did you'd find out that was true.

      now unless you have something positive or interesting to add to the conversation, please go away.

      • aspacia

        nimo is probably unemployed because of his want of intellect and reason. Consequently, he posts here and frequently misuses academic terms, that is he is a pseudointellectual.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      Uhm….the Middle East Studies Departments in the USA and Europe have been hijacked and co-opted by the Islamic world and their Leftwing useful idiots since in the 70s, and as a consequence only teach students how to incite hatred and violence against the Jewish unbelievers in Israel. Thus, where do you suppose someone go to acquire a doctorate in Islamic studies as opposed to Middle East studies that isn't a complete and utter joke?

    • Beth

      Law of the New Testament:

      Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

      Law of the koran:

      008.065 O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight.

      047.004 Therefore, when ye meet '''the Unbelievers''' in fight, smite at their necks. (Behead them!)

      005.033 THE PUNISHMENT of those who '''wage war''' against Allah and His Messenger is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet. – {meanwhile – It is the Muslims who are commanded to initiate the fight} 002.216 – 009.039

      But crucifixions????????????????? nimo???

      nimo???

    • aspacia

      He has yet to lose a debate. I do not have scientific credentials, but can make the valid claim that the earth orbits the sun.

      You rely of leftist literature rather than doing your own critical thinking. I see this daily with my eleventh grade English students. Just noise, very little ability to reason.

  • Choi

    Tell us "nimo",are you a PAID TROLL or a Cyber-Jihadi?Do you really think FPM readers are going to buy your LYING TAQYIA?

    • nimo

      i am not, in fact. i know, that must really surprise you. i must apologize for not fitting into your world view as you deem me a lesser human.

      lying? what am i lying about? can you point out and support your assumptions point by point?

      if you wish to discuss or debate an issue, do that, i am very open to honest thoughtful discussion. i wont hold my breath, because you already hate me without attempting to understand me. this is problematic.

    • nimo

      cyber jihadi? right… because me not supporting either side of the argument means im an islamic terrorist, no? do you see how you have been conditioned to hate? of course not, because you view your world through rose colored lenses. you think an all knowing, all powerful creator loves you and your religion ONLY. you think you know and understand what the almighty is and what he/she/it wants… yet you barely understand yourself and your surroundings.

      spirituality, not religion, is the only cure.

  • Herman Caintonette

    Spencer: "Just recently, Detroit underwear bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab declared in court that Muslims should only be judged by the Qur’an."

    I would point out to him that his Prophet forbade the killing of non-combatants during his sentencing.

    • pagegl

      Was that admonition in one of the abrogated verses? If so, it has been overruled by later verses that allow Muslims to kill any infidel. So much for Allah's omniscience.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      I would point out to him that his Prophet forbade the killing of non-combatants during his sentencing.

      If you weren't more than just a little unhinged and mentally handicapped, you'd already know that all earlier peaceful verses of the Koran that originated from the time when Islam was a religion before the Hijra and before Muhammad morphed Islam into something else entirely different from religion altogether after the Hijra when in frustration he abandoned religion and turned to jihad, politics, and conquest and in the process morphed Islam into what it is today, which is a supremacist theo-political totalitarian ideology that seeks to subjugate the world via the imposition of Sharia, have all been abrogated, i.e., superseded and replaced, by the latter issued verses of the Koran that they conflict with that were issued after the Hijra. Indeed, per the doctrine of abrogation, which is universally accepted in Sunni and Shi'a Islam, when two or more verses of the Koran conflict and contradict each other, the latter issued verses of the Koran abrogate, i.e., replace and supersede, the earlier issued verses. Hence, if the Prophet forbade the killing of non-combatants, which is utterly absurd, then by all means make my day and prove it.

    • aspacia

      Caintonette, what are you on about with this claim? Spence is just quoting what the terrorist asserts, nothing more, nothing less.

      Spencer also argues the most of the world's Muslims cannot read Arabic, hence when a Muslim claims a nonArabic speaking person is reading a mistranslation of the Qu'ran from Arabic into another language, then most Muslims are also reading a mistranlation.

    • aspacia

      The murdering of all infidels is permitted–reread the Qu'ran. Robert Spencer has a detailed analysis of this text and I have checked his sources, they are all valid. He uses the USC.edu site, but alas, it has been scrubbed in the last couple of years.

  • Asher

    Robert Spencer has done is research to warn the public quite accurately. We have been under Stealth Jihad for 3 years!

  • Herman Caintonette

    nimo: "i find it funny that a tea party member calling for the end of the fed, the burning of the government, or the killing of elected officials is seen as patriotic, but a man in Iraq that shoots at a soldier occupying HIS COUNTRY is seen as an evil terrorist. Would Americans be different? are we as citizens not armed to the teeth? do we not regularly spout off our right to be armed and used those arms in violence whether religiously bound or politically? would YOU NOT defend your country from foreign occupation?"

    No, we wouldn't, nimo … or at least, I'd like to think so. Faced with the same provocation, we'd do pretty much what they are doing. If the Church were the only bulwark against tyranny, we'd be active in the Church. These people don't seem to have the perspective necessary to walk in another's shoes..

    They denounce terrorism, but conveniently forget that Menachem Begin was a terrorist, and our Founding Fathers engaged in activity that we would call terrorism today.

    • aspacia

      We do not target unarmed civilians, terrorists do! We wear uniforms, just as Israelis; terrorists do not wear uniforms and our soldiers have difficulty identifying them.

      Begin targeted military sites, not civilians; big difference with this once crucial activity.

      I will have to give you the fact that some of our Patriots did use terrorist tactics and did not wear uniforms, but seldom targeted civilians, and the Brits didn't exactly fight fair either; summary executions, beatings, rapes, etc. Many of our tactics we learned from the Native Americans

    • aspacia

      What Tea Party members have called for the murder of elected officials? NONE. This is a liberal lie. Every Tea Party Even is nonviolent, has more protesters than the current, violent OW's, and never left a mess also unlike the current OW's.

      I do agree with an end of the Fed, and believe we should expel the UN from our shores and no longer be a member to this corrupt, useless organization.

      We did not attack Afghanistan, we attacked the Taliban who ruled the land. We have a right to defend ourselves against those who threaten us, who aid and abet terrorists who are sworn to murder us and the entire Western Civilization. The problem is that we haven't properly prosecuted a war since WWII, fight to win with unconditional surrender.

      We have looked the other way for far too long. This started with Black September and has increased because we ignored too many attacks. Do I really have to list the number of times Islamic terrorists targeted and murdered unarmed civilians on cruise liners, on planes, dining in restaurants.

  • nimo

    its so interesting… i ask questions and get no answers, just repeated, parroted lines ive heard a million times. i ask questions and simply get a "thumbs down". its like, golly, you people never question what youre told! you only question those that you are told to question! imagine that! dogmatism is a motherf*ucker.

    • tagalog

      Maybe the reason why you're not getting any answers is that there's no answer to why the U.S. isn't helping the rebellion in Greece because it isn't really a rebellion, more like their unions and welfare recipients on a tantrum, or in Syria because Syria's rebellion is wholly internal (just as Libya's was, and that was why Barack Obama tried to walk a political razor's edge on that one; now of course the rebels won, so he's happy despite the recent sharia-following statements of its leaders).

      If the OWS protesters had jobs, do you think they'd be protesting? They'd be sitting fat and happy without a murmur. They're not hippies, but they ARE filthy, hell, they poop where they eat; even barbarians don't do that. I don't recall reading any histories where Hitler said he was "peacefully occupying" Poland. I haven't heard anyone talking about the Arab revolts in Libya or Syria (or elsewhere) as "democratic." No one to this moment knows for sure what they are, although the statements of the Libyan rebel leader appears to suggest Libya is about to join the Iran-Pakistan axis of sharia.

      • nimo

        so, its filthy of people to stand up to corrupt government and corrupt mega business? I have a full time and a part time job and i was present at Occupy events in my state. im voting Ron Paul and I participated in exercising my rights. am i filthy? do i fit into your category?

        Hitler "notified" England and America at the time and lied to the western powers about why he was in poland INITIALLY. kept making promises, and we kept making consessions and believing him. and the rest is of course history…

        • tagalog

          No. It's filthy of them to poop where they camp out.

          I don't know. If you're camping out with the OWS folks and pooping at your campsite you are. You're courting typhus, dysentery, cholera, and diphtheria among other filth-related diseases.

          Maybe, maybe not.

          Hitler never told the Western powers, or anybody else, that he was occupying Poland peacefully, because his armed invasion of that nation kicked off the hostilities of World War II in the West. Britain's Parliament and the rest of the League of Nations declared war on Germany within hours of the invasion of Poland.

        • aspacia

          Hitler declared war on the USA after Pearl Harbor.

          nimo, I am bothering with you, and probably will not do so again because you are so ill-informed or just plain stupid.

          The Tea Party protested the government –they understand that it is Obama and his administration who bailed out GM, Wallstreet, Goldman Sachs, et al with our hard earned tax dollars. This should have never happened.

          Most of the current, filthy (you are literally correct), violent OW's do not know why they are protesting (watch the interviews) and leave a huge mess on public lands, behavior that the Tea Party never exhibited. Most of the current protesters are unemployed, and the tax paying Tea Party members are employed. The current protesters want something for nothing and have a sense of entitlement to my money.

          NO, Nimo nincompoop, you are truly an ignorant idiot.

    • http://thebattleofTours.blogspot.com Peter F

      Spencer has a body of published which is subject to scrutiny. I have read it all and find it informative and where I've had reason to check it against authoritative Islamic texts, it has stood the test. He is scrupulous in quoting sources fairly and accurately, knowing that the slightest slip will be pounced on by Islamic apologists.
      I have also seen him in public debate with Islamic apologists where he always gets the better of them, for he's profoundly knowledgeable on Islam and has a prodigious memory of the relevant sources.
      I have also seen him on numerous TV interviews where he performs well and knowledgeably.
      I'm not rosy-eyed about him though. At times his books (especially "Stealth Jihad") could use some more rigorous editing. And he trends to be a bit prickly about criticism, rising to the bait a bit too often.
      But he's clearly, by any measure of reality, thoroughly erudite on Islam. If he has concluded — as I had even before coming upon his writings 8 years ago — that Islam is not the "Religion of Peace" that it's hyped to be, but is instead supremacist, sectarian, anti-Semitic, homophobic and misogynist, then that's because the texts and doctrines of Islam are so; not because Spencer says it's so.
      In other words, don't attack the messenger.
      It is exactly trying to kill the messenger that is being practiced by these hotels canceling events that seek to discuss these elements of Islam.

      • aspacia

        Excellent post Peter. Another intelligent blogger for our side:-)

    • aspacia

      We have had numerous left wing trolls on this site, and most or just plain stupid and are unable to write a coherent response.

    • clau

      youre good and i ask questions and look for the truth which i wont find it in the news or the books that they tell you is history i wish i knew how to speak arabic all the languages that are in conflict so that i can really know… this u.s is so evil but those people are the real deal they have fought died and still fight for not being westernized i wish i knew a place where i can go and learn the real history ,besides power and oil being the number one reason why u.s is over there.

      • aspacia

        To protect our economic and political interests, just as most nations have done. Also, we were attacked on 9/11.

        clau, read, and read some more from other sides of the issues for balance. Also, it is important to remember that every country has a different history. The German version of WWII differs from the U.S. version. The U.S. version of the Revolutionary War differs from the British version. The PBS or was it BBC aired the British version either this year or last. It was factual, just as our version of the war is factual.

        My point is, all countries omit negative information about their own misdeeds.

  • Moishe Pupick

    M., 10/24/11 common era

    Orwellian Newspeak is alive and well in the White House. Jihad really means flower power. Sharia fits right in with The Federalist Papers. If you don't accept that truth, then you are Islamophobic. (Was the late Daniel Pearl Islamophobic?)

    • Jerry

      The fact is that in Islam it is not only permitted but encouraged to lie about what Islam really is in order to protect it. Now just who are we to believe about what is involved in Islam when we see openly what Islamic jihadists do. What Sharia mandates to do. Better get this straight because the coming Mahdi is nothing more than the future antichrist.

  • http://www.senseocoffeepods.net senseo coffee pods

    Great. More heavy-handed, ruling-class BS from the Obama administration. What a surprise…

    • nimo

      i have ceased to be surprised by the willful idiocy and shirking of the constitution that has invaded our government for the last 20 years.

  • nimo

    good day to you all. I hope you work out your anger displacement issues. I hope and pray that you wake up to your own religions failings, accept them, and then work towards a better future in the name of your god without the hating and wanton violence that is advocated on both your part and the part of Islam. I hope and pray that soon we cna unite against the true coming of the NWO, the NWO that DOESNT care about your class, religion, nations boundries, or political affiliations… there is a beast to be battled, but that beast is not Islam…

  • AverageJoeBob

    WWII was a case study in Naziphobia. Hitler perverted the peaceful message of fascism and many peaceful Nazi concentration camp guards were victims of discrimination by the hateful, ill-informed public. Too bad Barack Obama wasn't President then, he could have corrected the misconception that Nazis ideology had anything to do with world domination and the use of violence to acheive those goals.

  • http://www.ourchangingglobe.com Michael Redbourn

    Not all Muslims are terrorists, and not all terrorists are Muslims.

    But the only international terrorists are Muslims.

    And please don't mention the IRA or the Basques etc.

    The only international terrorists are Muslims!

  • rulierose

    average joebob: you're almost right. but I think it was probably all the Evil Joos' fault that Hitler had to do all that in the first place.

    don't you wish we could hear that tape the LA Times has under lock and key? I'd like to know what Obama really thinks about Israel and Islam.

    I love how these people always mention McVeigh–and now they've got this Norwegian guy as if these were just two of the zillions of examples they could have picked. yeah right. let's see: that's two non-Muslim terrorists in 20 years, versus how many Muslim terrorists in that same amount of time? guesses? nimo? flipside?

  • RiverFred

    That proves it, he is an idiot

  • ObamaYoMoma

    Holton said that this “fix” was particularly urgent because the rejected training materials “pose a significant threat to national security, because they play into the false narrative propagated by terrorists that the United States is at war with Islam.”

    What false narrative? Islam is at war with the United States and all other non-Muslim unbelievers throughout the world. Moreover, Muslims never become terrorists, as terrorism is a product of Western civilization only, while jihad, on the other hand, which his holy fighting in the cause of Allah against non-Muslim unbelievers to make Islam supreme, is a product of Islamic civilization only. Apparently Mr. Holton is extremely blinded by PC multiculturalism and exceedingly misguided as a direct result.

    After sketching out this horror tale, Cole declared: “We must never allow our sorrow and anger at the senseless attack of 9/11 to blind us to the great gift of our diversity.” And this, he said, must involve a rejection of the stereotyping of Muslims: “All of us must reject any suggestion that every Muslim is a terrorist or that every terrorist is a Muslim.  As we have seen time and again – from the Oklahoma City bombing to the recent attacks in Oslo, Norway – no religion or ethnicity has a monopoly on terror.” It was George Bush, he said, who after 9/11 “made clear to the nation that these terrorist acts were committed by individuals who distort the peaceful religion of Islam,” and now all government analysis of jihad terror would reflect that perspective.

    Other than naïve PC multicultural myths, which assumes that all cultures, societies, and civilizations are equal and desire the same exact same things, what actual evidence do they have to support their ludicrous assumptions and moronic justifications? The answer is zero.

    And why must we celebrate diversity, as diversity is part and parcel multiculturalism. Indeed, it's like celebrating division and discard as diverse groups all inevitably compete like cats and dogs over the same piece of the pie. The fact of the matter is multiculturalism and its corollaries – political correctness, diversity, and tolerance – are Trojan horses designed to divide and conquer homogenous united societies from within. Indeed, it's suicidal leftism run amuck!

    As for as avoiding stereotyping goes, I hate to rain on the Obama administration's incompetent parade but the sixth and most important pillar of Islam makes it an obligatory duty for EVERY MUSLIM to fight jihad in the cause of Allah against unbelievers to make Islam supreme. Indeed, the the sixth and most important pillar of Islam doesn't make it an obligatory duty only for extremists to fight jihad in the cause of Allah, and the the sixth and most important pillar of Islam doesn't make it an obligatory duty only for radicals to fight jihad in the cause of Allah, while at the same time giving so-called moderate Muslims an exemption and free pass from fighting jihad in the cause of Allah. Instead, the sixth and most important pillar of Islam makes it an obligatory duty on ALL MUSLIMS to fight jihad in the cause of Allah against non-Muslim unbelievers to make Islam supreme. No exceptions.

    Therefore, ALL MAINSTREAM ORTHODOX MUSLIMS are in fact jihadists. A few of them are violent jihadists, while the vast overwhelming majority of them are non-violent stealth and deceptive jihadists, and the few that are not jihadists are not Muslims at all but instead blasphemous apostates that per the dictates of Islam should be executed.

    Of course, this is not to say that all blasphemous apostates are executed, as fortunately most of them are intelligent enough to keep their respective mouths shut and their views to themselves, but they are nonetheless silenced and thus marginalized in the grander scheme of things.

    –continued

  • ObamaYoMoma

    With respect to the notion that every Muslim is a terrorist or that every terrorist is a Muslim, of course, I reject that notion, since Muslims never ever perpetrate terrorism, as terrorism is a product of Western civilization only, while jihad, on the other hand, which is holy fighting in the cause of Allah against non-Muslim unbelievers to make Islam supreme, is a product of Islamic civilization only.

    Regarding the Oklahoma City bombing to the recent attacks in Oslo, Norway and the assertion that no religion or ethnicity has a monopoly on terror, I hate to rain on the Obama administration's unhinged PC multicultural parade, but they are conveniently conflating jihad with terrorism and vice versa terrorism with jihad, when the reality is they are mutually exclusive and two entirely different things altogether.

    Indeed, terrorism can be perpetrated for any number of political causes, is always perpetrated by extremists, and as its name implies always involves violence against civilians. While jihad, on the other hand, which is holy fighting in the cause of Allah against non-Muslim unbelievers to make Islam supreme, is waged only by mainstream orthodox Muslims as opposed to extremists and radicals as in the case with terrorism, in stark contrast to terrorism can be both violent and non-violent, and is waged only against non-Muslim unbelievers, either civilian non-combatants as in Israel or military combatants as in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    In addition, non-violent jihad relative to violent jihad takes place in the world today astronomically far more prevalently. Yet, because violent jihad is always conflated with terrorism, the non-violent varieties of jihad, which again is employed astronomically far more prevalently, takes place today totally unacknowledged and unopposed and in often cases is actually being encouraged.

    In fact, the most prevalent form of non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad taking place in the world today totally unacknowledged and unopposed is mass Muslim immigration to the West and anywhere else for that matter for the purpose of demographic conquest, as Muslims never ever migrate to assimilate and integrate, but instead to eventually subjugate and dominate to make Islam supreme via demographic conquest.

    Indeed, in country after country and anywhere and everywhere mass Muslim immigration is taking place in the world today, just like clockwork the vast overwhelming majority of Muslim immigrants flat out refuse to assimilate and integrate and instead form segregated Muslim enclaves that in the long run eventually morph into Muslim no-go zones ruled by Sharia as fifth columns and in direct contravention to the laws of the states in which they reside, and this phenomenon is irrefutable, as, for instance, Europe is literally littered with hundreds of these Muslim no-go zones ruled by Sharia as fifth columns. As a matter of fact, in France alone the government has identified 758 such Muslim no-go zones already.

    As for as the notion that terrorist acts are committed by individuals who distort the peaceful religion of Islam goes, first of all Muslims never ever perpetrate terrorist acts as that is a product of Western civilization only. Instead, Muslims wage jihad, which is holy fighting in the cause of Allah against non-Muslim unbelievers to make Islam supreme.

    Furthermore, if Islam is a so-called Religion of Peace™ being hijacked by a tiny minority of extremists, then why are Christians and all other non-Muslim unbelievers living as second-class dhimmi citizens in every Islamic country in the world violently oppressed and systematically persecuted when not outright slaughtered altogether without exception?

    –continued

  • ObamaYoMoma

    Indeed, if Islam is a so-called Religion of Peace™ being hijacked by a tiny minority of extremists, then why in country after country and anywhere and everywhere mass Muslim immigration is taking place in the world today are the vast overwhelming majority of Muslim immigrants like clockwork flat out refusing to assimilate and integrate and forming Muslim no-go zones ruled by Sharia as fifth columns instead?

    Additionally, if Islam is a so-called Religion of Peace™ being hijacked by a tiny minority of extremists, then why is jihad being waged against non-Muslim countries every place in the world where non-Muslim countries border Islamic countries?

    Indeed, everything the Obama administration asserts as justification for its insane new policies are demonstrably false and can easily be demonstrated to be false as I just did above. Hence, what is the real reason for the Obama administration's new policies and why does the lamestream press, including Fox News, always toe the government's line exactly like the media in Europe?

    As a matter of fact, everything our government is doing today is analogous to the US declaring after WWII that Communism is a totalitarian ideology of peace being hijacked by a tiny minority of extremists, while at the same time not only opening up the floodgates to mass Communist immigration and infiltration, but also deploying US troops to Eastern Block Soviet Satellite countries to pursue fantasy based nation-building missions to prop up our Communist enemies. If we had stupidly reacted to the Cold War back then the same way we are currently reacting to the Global Jihad, we would all be slaves of a Communist totalitarian hellhole today, and if we don't soon wake up, we will all be slaves of a draconian Islamic totalitarian hellhole in the not too distant future.

  • xlent

    All of islam is based on mo mads sexual perversons. Look at the first thing the new gummint of libya declared. The very first thing was "males (not a man among them) you can NOW have multiple wives". If that is not totally catering to the inhuman, male, islamic promoted, twisted sex drive what is?

  • ObamaYoMoma

    Where is the Republican Party on this matter? Are they continuing to demonstrate that the Republican Party is virtually indistinguishable from the Dhimmicrat Party once again?

    Indeed, Obama is truly really, really, awful. In fact, he is absolutely terrible, but since the Republican Party is just as ideologically blind of Islam as the Dhimmicrat Party, I don't know if I can hold my nose and vote for a Republican in the upcoming presidential election.

  • Flowerknife_us

    Events in the middle east will make Holdup work overtime defending the impossible. The Middle East is now free to kill, murder and starve under regional standards of piousness.Ji,had in Lybia so far has only claimed some 30,000 dead. With both sides thinking Allah was on their side. In a land where being anyones sinner can get you killed. Viewed each day, tends to make Holdup look the bigger fool in trying to claim otherwise.

  • Omar Khalid

    Elections have consequences. BHO was raised a muzlim and throughout his life has been videoed as stating that. What did you expect a muzlim president to do. The saving grace will come when it is proved he was ineligible to be president and all his laws are repealed.

  • Beth

    nimo: "lying? what am i lying about? can you point out and support your assumptions point by point?"

    That's a challenge (thank you)

    This deserves its own post rather than a reply:

    Law of the New Testament:

    Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

    Law of the koran:

    008.065 O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight.

    047.004 Therefore, when ye meet '''the Unbelievers''' in fight, smite at their necks. (Behead them!)

    005.033 THE PUNISHMENT of those who '''wage war''' against Allah and His Messenger is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet. – {meanwhile – It is the Muslims who are commanded to initiate the fight} 002.216 – 009.039

    But crucifixions????????????????? nimo???

    nimo???

    • aspacia

      FYI, Beth, it is thou shalt not murder in Hebrew. Moses had people stoned to death.

      • Beth

        "Moses had people stoned to death"

        No he didn't. That's another lie. Proof:

        Lev 24:16 He that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation {of God -Includes those who dwell in the heavens Rev 12:12 } shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the LORD, shall be put to death.{Key words: shall be….

        Jer 51:57 And I will make drunk her princes, and her wise men, her captains, and her rulers, and her mighty men: and they shall sleep a perpetual sleep, and not wake, saith the King, whose name is the LORD of hosts.

        Their graves won't appear (Luk 11:44, Isa 14:19) – when – He comes to call (Jhn 5:28)

        Continued:

        • Beth

          Jhn 1:42 And when Jesus beheld him [Peter], he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.

          Act 4:11 This is the stone [the Spiritual Rock] which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

          1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence , even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed

          What is a stone aspacia? according to the Scriptures?

          Mat 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels [NOT HUMANS] shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just

          Hbr 10:30 For we know Him that hath said , Vengeance belongeth unto Me
          [NOT HUMANS]

          All humans are Commanded to keep the following towards each other:

          Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

          Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

          You either embrace Peace – or you don't aspacia (that's your choice) but at the very least – stop telling lies about it.

          FYI, aspacia,….

          Mat 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this Stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

        • aspacia

          Beth, you were saying????

          New International Version (©1984)
          Then Moses spoke to the Israelites, and they took the blasphemer outside the camp and stoned him. The Israelites did as the LORD commanded Moses.

          New Living Translation (©2007)
          After Moses gave all these instructions to the Israelites, they took the blasphemer outside the camp and stoned him to death. The Israelites did just as the LORD had commanded Moses.

          English Standard Version (©2001)
          So Moses spoke to the people of Israel, and they brought out of the camp the one who had cursed and stoned him with stones. Thus the people of Israel did as the LORD commanded Moses.

          New American Standard Bible (©1995)
          Then Moses spoke to the sons of Israel, and they brought the one who had cursed outside the camp and stoned him with stones. Thus the sons of Israel did, just as the LORD had commanded Moses.

          King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
          And Moses spake to the children of Israel, that they should bring forth him that had cursed out of the camp, and stone him with stones. And the children of Israel did as the LORD commanded Moses.

          • Beth

            It is important to separte the books [The Lord did] because the Lord made it perfectly clear as to what He expects from all in the New Testament – thus, leaving all without excuse for the Judgment:

            Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

            Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

            ……………………………………

            "that they should bring forth him that had cursed out of the camp"

            Let me share this another way for you then:

            Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem ''''''''which is above''''''''' is free, which is the mother of us all [of all living - as Eve was Gen 3:20].

            Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice ''''''''''''''ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them''''''''''.

            Rom 5:14 Nevertheless '''''death reigned from Adam to Moses'''''' [first death]

            Hbr 10:28 He that despised Moses' law '''''''''''died without mercy''''''''''' under two or three witnesses [there was a judgment]

            Jhn 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

            Jhn 12:31 Now is the judgment of ''''''''''this world'''''''''''

            Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire [parable]. This is the second death [not a parable].

            Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, '''''''''''visible and invisible'''''''''''''

            Rev 12:7 And there was war '''''''''''''in heaven'''''''''''''''' Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels

            If you don't believe there is a world of angels [the invisible] – then you have no business commenting on the Bible.

            TWO DIFFERENT SETS OF RULES:

            ONE FOR HUMANS:

            1Cr 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? [by the Judgments (Scriptures) ALREADY given]

            ONE FOR ANGELS:

            Mat 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels [NOT HUMANS] shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just

            No human has the right to take life – because they can not give life [to do so is blasphemy because Only God can give life]

            …………………………..

            Which brings us to the koran – a subject of great brutality that you refuse to confront. [slitting throats, gang rape, crucifixions]

            I've said it before and I'll say it again: If you support murder – you're a murderer.

            (you have made your mind up – that much is perfectly clear. Just to let you know – I post these responses for all others that are reading them. It's important)

          • Beth

            Posting for all to see (from a long segment of replies to aspacia found on the 2nd page which begins with "nimo: "lying?" who never did give an answer to the koran's incitement to carry out crucifixions)

            Addressed to aspacia:

            You have – YET – to post any Scriptures from the New Testament that teach humans to be violent with other.

            This, you hate – because it leaves islam with no weapon when it comes to the fact that Freedom of religion NEVER included the right to incite the masses into violence. That's both national AND international laws that condemn the koran, once the accusation that "Christianity is no better" is removed.

            That's the whole point of the segment of these replies.

            You have yet to prove your point about Christianity being no better [you will never be able to do that - because no such Scripture exists]

            Now – (to the readers) let's vote for leaders who will apply the laws that are already on the books – to rightfully and fairly ban islam altogether.

          • Beth

            CORRECTION:

            "If you don't believe there is a world of angels"

            (If you don't believe that the Bible teaches there is a world of angels)

            (and tells of the things that take place there)

          • aspacia

            Beth,

            You argue that it is important to separate the Torah from the New Testament, then you cite the OT with the Ten Commandments.

            Again, refute my claim regarding Mathew and Jesus claiming not to bring peace, but the sword, and I will discuss this further. Until then, you are dismissed as a myopic Christian.

          • Beth

            Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword

            Hbr 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword

            Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God

            Rev 1:16 and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword

            Rev 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

            No where in the Scriptures did Jesus EVER command humans to be violent with each other.

            You have YET to produce the New Testament Scriptures that teach humans to be violent with other – which should bring everyone right back to the fact that the koran promotes violence and Freedom of religion NEVER included the right to incite the masses into violence.

          • aspacia

            Beth, Moses did have people stoned to death, this is clear, and you cannot refute this, but, instead babble on with irrelevant bs. Remember your audience is an academic.

          • Beth

            "Moses did have people stoned to death" – meaning (by you) that people picked up stones and threw them – which you have yet to prove.

            I have proved by the Scriptures – otherwise. The Apostles are called stones. Jesus is called the Cornerstone. And we "as lively stones" are to defend the truth when ever it is attacked.

          • Beth

            Nor did Jesus at any time ever command humans to be violent with each other:

            Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword

            Hbr 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword

            Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God

            Rev 1:16 and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword

            Rev 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

            Now this is on a level that a 10 yr-old can understand.

            So is the following:

            Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

            Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

          • aspacia

            Beth,
            Are you really that stupid?? Stoning is picking up stone and throwing them at a person. Your interpretation is bogus. What sect of Christianity do you practice?

            New International Version (©1984)
            Then Moses spoke to the Israelites, and they took the blasphemer outside the camp and stoned him. The Israelites did as the LORD commanded Moses.

            New Living Translation (©2007)
            After Moses gave all these instructions to the Israelites, they took the blasphemer outside the camp and stoned him to death. The Israelites did just as the LORD had commanded Moses.

            English Standard Version (©2001)
            So Moses spoke to the people of Israel, and they brought out of the camp the one who had cursed and stoned him with stones. Thus the people of Israel did as the LORD commanded Moses.

            New American Standard Bible (©1995)
            Then Moses spoke to the sons of Israel, and they brought the one who had cursed outside the camp and stoned him with stones. Thus the sons of Israel did, just as the LORD had commanded Moses.

            King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
            And Moses spake to the children of Israel, that they should bring forth him that had cursed out of the camp, and stone him with stones. And the children of Israel did as the LORD commanded Moses.

          • Beth

            "Are you really that stupid?? Stoning is picking up stone and throwing them at a person"

            According to you – but not according to the Scriptures. I gave you those Scriptures. Jesus is the Cornerstone, the Apostles are the stones and "we, as lively stones" all speak the Truth. That's what the 'stones' do – according to the Scriptures.

            Again:

            Rev 19:15 And ''''''''''''out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword'''''''''''''' that with it he should smite the nations (the nations hate the truth, which is, – Don't lie, Don't steal, Don't cheat, Don't murder, Don't covet – for those are acts that cause "the perpetual sleep" — I already gave you that one also, aspacia – (Jer 51:39). Maybe you should look up the definition of "Perpetual")

            Hbr 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than '''''''''''''''''''any twoedged sword'''''''''''''''''''', piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

            The reason you can not get this – is because you prefer evil (obviously). It is as simple as that. The Koran preaches beheadings, gang rape, crucifixions – and you don't seem to mind those teachings. (there are no words that exist – to explain how I feel about those who see no wrong in those acts……expression put forth by me, – not for you aspacia…but for all others reading this. You are not able to grasp the image, of you, that appears – by your own words).

            "Your interpretation is bogus. What sect of Christianity do you practice?"

            1Jo 2:27 But the anointing [The Word] which ye have received of him abideth in you, ''''''''''''''''and ye need not that any man teach you''''''''''''''

            Isa 34:16 Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: '''''''''''''no one of these shall fail''''''''''''' (no 'middle-man' is required – I belong to no group – never did – never will)

            I already gave you that one also (in another post)

            You keep going in circles aspacia – but I refuse. I will bring all who are reading these words right back to the ORIGINAL point – to the koran and the horrid EVIL that it preaches:

            047.004 Beheadings
            033.052 Gang Rape of female 'infidels'
            005.041 Racism
            005.033 Crucifixions
            008.067 Treason
            033.061 Genocide "without mercy"

            pure evil (facts that you have – YET – to address)

            To all others reading this: "You will know what is in the heart – by the words that come from the mouth."

            So true

          • aspacia

            We were talking about Moses, and he did have people stoned to death. What sect of Christianity are you practicing, Mendacity?

            Most educated individuals use the definition I used: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stoning
            Jesus did not literally fortify people with stones. This is metaphoric language.

            Most define the act of stoning as hurling stones at a person until they are dead: https://www.google.com/search?q=stoning&ie=ut

          • Beth

            One more thing, aspacia:

            Jhn 8:7 So when they continued asking Him, He lifted up Himself, and said unto them, …he that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

            My guess, is that Jesus understood the Scriptures …. FAR FAR FAR better than you, aspacia…. even …….WAY back then…..more than 2000 years ago. (Sheeeeeeze)

          • aspacia

            You are a myopic person who knows what she knows and will not be bothered with the facts. The debate was about whether Moses had people stoned to death, and you called me a liar.

            What a little fool! You are so insecure you cannot admit error.

          • Beth

            "Most define the act of stoning as hurling stones at a person until they are dead: https://www.google.com/search?q=stoning&ie=ut…. "

            The Bible existed …EVEN… before the resource you mention.

            So, you have to go with the Bible's definition. (sorry) …

            Jhn 8:7 So when they continued asking him [Jesus], he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

            Rom 3:23 For ''''''''all have sinned'''''''', and come short of the glory of God

            According to the Scriptures, aspacia, you have no defense for your argument (which is in support of the evil koran, which preaches murder and gang rape)

            The Bible existed …EVEN… before the resource you mention.

            So, I have to go with the Bible's definition. (sorry) …

            Jhn 8:7 So when they continued asking him [Jesus], he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

          • Beth

            Rom 3:23 For ''''''''all have sinned'''''''', and come short of the glory of God

            Is that not true aspacia?…..or are you above that?

            I know that I would NOT be one who would cast any stones upon hearing the words of Jesus "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her" ….. I have no doubt, that yours would be one of the first stones to hit her.

          • aspacia

            I do not have to do anything, but die. Stoning was used as a punishment in the Torah which predates the New Testament.

          • Beth

            1Sa 17:49 And David put his hand in his bag, and took thence a stone, and slang it, and smote the Philistine in his forehead, that the stone sunk into his forehead; and he fell upon his face to the earth.

            I have no doubt, that you picture a small man slinging an actual stone into a giant's forehead. (lols)

          • aspacia

            Beth,

            This is expert testimony from a Rabbi, and yes David did kill the Phillistine Goliath with a stone filled slingshot.
            Ask an expert before you make a bigger fool of yourself than you already have.
            Shalom,

            I assume you are asking how they would perform stoning in ancient times. in the words of Maimonides:

            The place of execution was two storeys high. The convicted person ascends there with his hands tied, together with his witnesses. One of the witnesses pushes him at his loins from behind, he falls over, landing on his heart on the ground. If he dies because of this, they have fulfilled their obligation, for Exodus 19:13 states: "Or he will be cast down or stoned," creating an equation between a person who has a stone fall upon him with one who himself falls on the earth.

            If he does not die after this fall, the witnesses pick up a stone that is so large it requires two people to carry it. The second witness lets go and the first casts the stone on the convicted person's heart. If he dies because of this, they have fulfilled their obligation. If not, he should be stoned by the entire Jewish people, as Deuteronomy 17:7 states: "The hand of the witnesses shall be raised up against him first to execute him, and the hand of the entire nation afterwards."

            On the topic of the punishments found in the Torah, I would suggest the following article:

            Why Are Torah Punishments So Harsh? http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/126

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          • Beth

            I brought up the New Testament to prove that it does not teach humans to be violent with each other.

            You have YET to produce those New Testament Scriptures. You pointed out that Jesus "brought a sword" (Sword) of which, the Scriptures clearly point out that 'the Sword' comes from the mouth …..I gave you @least 3 of them on that point alone)

            The New Testament promotes real peace (I gave you those Scriptures also)

            I'm not one who will loose sight of this whole point (which got this debate going in the first place)

            Koran (chapter and verse given for proof)

            047.004 Beheadings
            033.052 Gang Rape of female 'infidels'
            005.041 Racism
            005.033 Crucifixions
            008.067 Treason
            033.061 Genocide "without mercy"

            you have YET to address the fact that the koran is (IS – mind you) promoting horrid violence.

            the koran clearly, violates BOTH, national AND international laws…btw. And you have YET to address that fact.

          • aspacia

            It is "lose" not "loose" stupid. Frankly, you are not worth my time.

  • Robert Laity

    What can you expectt from such a Radical Islamist Terrorist like Obama?

  • Bomb on Kaba

    ….only , could help !!!!

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  • Bondgae Breaker

    Nimo is on every page their is . He spouts off this crap all the time . Don't give him the time of day , He won't answer aqnything you ask or point out . He is a plant by jihad to lie and disrupt .

    • aspacia

      Bond can't spell! It is there not their. Their is possessive!

  • sedoanman

    "…Cole declared: 'We must never allow our sorrow and anger at the senseless attack of 9/11 to blind us to the great gift of our diversity.'”

    Typical of the Left: reject truth when it conflicts with their ideology. Where and what is the proof that our diversity is a "great gift"?

  • Anamah

    How Americans can not defend the Republic from the malignancy?

  • http://renaissanceman21c.blogspot.com/ renaissanceman21c

    The Left has gone mad.

  • Mary2222

    Obama is the Muslim Trojan horse for the Muslim Brotherhood's global jihad. If he does not do enough for the cause, his look-alike Kenyan brother can always replace him. But, Obama has been able to polarize (divide and conquer) the country into Leftist elitists (supremacists who think they will be left with all the power, not just plundered puppets of global jihad) and big business or Christian republicans. Meanwhile he works to make all government agencies Islamic socialism-friendly, making Islam the favored religion with politically correct protection. He militarily enables the global jihad to set up Islamic democracies (Islamic Constitution equals Sharia law) even without Congressional approval (Libya), while ignoring the genocidal jihads of Africa. He pushes abortion worldwide ahead of the wave of genocidal jihad. And, he has not only tried to rewrite U.S. history to include significant Muslim contribution but is now re-defining Islam within the U.S. so as to subdue U.S. resistance to its takeover. It is not surprising, but it is progressing to the point of scornful blatancy.

  • Lentenlands

    islam is a demonic system of hatred and murder. It is more of a mental illness than a religion.

  • sloras

    I suppose they're also going to re-write 1400 years of history telling us the same message – Islam is an EVIL, VIOLENT CULT whose brain-washed adherents worship a Hindu moon god who directs them to murder and destroy in his name.

  • Jackie

    You all are so deceived. Israeli Jews own all the congress, all media, and the entertainment industries that have demoralized our society. Muslims hold no power in this country, and everything Barack Obama does, is for the evil empire of Israel. Christian Zionism is treason and heresy.

    • aspacia

      You do not provide any valid evidence, just the usual misJudeophic lies.

  • joetheplummer

    thats because obama is a muslim….

  • Star37

    Truth is not hatred…lying is murder!

  • loren

    “invite experts who have no animosity toward any religion to conduct training…"
    yes, of course.
    do you know how hard it is to get a job here?
    if we "invite" some islamic "individual" for lack of being allowed to use a more proper term in public, into our facility we have just created the possibility of more security violations by the VERY PEOPLE WE ARE WORKING AGAINST.
    you need to be vetted by (minimum of a local/national – in their case, international) background check to be granted access to our facilities.
    we'd probably end up having to use local le to secure a waffle house for the training session.
    what a joke.
    send it to us on power point with a read receipt.
    we'll get to it right away.

  • chiller

    I agree….we should not limit our terrorist identification to only Is-lame…..Let's look at all the other radical religions performing holy wars against the US and the west:
    1, ……… 2, ………. 3,………. nope, can't think of a single one. Is-lame is the ONLY violent, terrorist religion on the planet. They should be exterminated.

  • Iconoclast

    I do not know how anyone could mis-interpret the holy Qu'ran when it tells its followers to "Kill the infidel wherever you find him." Cannot everyone see that this is a religion of peace?