Perry, Romney Face Off

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Former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum took on Perry for requiring female students to get an HPV vaccination. He said he was offended that Perry had overruled parental rights. Santorum also had a bright moment when he criticized a growing “isolationist” trend within the Republican Party. This will earn him support from foreign policy hawks, but it’s still difficult to see the rationale for his candidacy. He isn’t the only hawk or social conservative in the race, and the rest didn’t lose re-election by 18 points.

Businessman Herman Cain’s strongest moment was when he proposed the U.S. should follow the Chilean model in reforming Social Security. He is making a concerted effort to be a candidate of more substance, and is emphasizing states’ rights more frequently. His primary obstacle is setting his candidacy apart from the others. There is no issue, cause or strength that he can call his own. He originally had significant support from the anti-Islamist voters, but it will be difficult for Cain to recover after his visit to a Muslim Brotherhood mosque.

Former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman vastly improved upon his last debate performance. He spoke articulately and came off as a credible presidential candidate. However, his criticism of other Republican candidates’ heated rhetoric and defense of the politicized science behind global warming and evolution likely damaged his candidacy. His goal is to make a strong stand in New Hampshire by winning support from moderates and Independents. This debate performance re-introduces him to the voters, but he will not be the darling of the average conservative.

Texas Congressman Ron Paul went after Perry, and hit the typical libertarian talking points. He had numerous applause lines, and spoke on economic issues with clarity and substance. His problem is that he’s probably reached the ceiling of his support. He is not the second choice of many primary voters. They either support his candidacy or staunchly oppose it.

There was no major shake-up in the race this debate, and Romney and Perry will still be considered the frontrunners. The second-tier candidacies will experience the greatest amount of shifting, and it is very possible that one of them will break through the pack to enter the first tier by the time this series of five debates is over. This is only the beginning.

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  • Chezwick_mac

    Newt and Cain came off the best. Romney and Bachman did nothing to hurt themselves. Santorum looked terrified and seemed sophomoric, constantly plugging himself instead of just dealing with the issues like Gingrich. Huntsman took some interesting positions (some might say courageous since they didn't conform to the conservative base), but 1) he's a RINO and 2) there is an affectation to his speaking style that just smacks of pretense. Ron Paul was interesting (as usual), was the least articulate (as usual), and was at times bizarre…(as usual). I thought Perry was plodding and uninspiring; much of what he said was fine, but he certainly didn't come across as quick on his feet.

    I can live with any of the contenders except Ron Paul. I just hope Marco Rubio is on everybody's short list of prospective running mates. We need the Hispanic vote, we need Florida, and we need an intelligent, cogent voice on the campaign trail. Rubio can give us all of that.

  • zadoc

    With Rick Perry in, I think this is a whole new ballgame, taking votes from some candidates and helping others.

    POLL: Who won the 9/7/11 GOP Presidential Debate at the Reagan Library?
    Vote: http://www.wepolls.com/p/2126428

    • Fred Dawes

      its been a new game for years we can only hope we can have a real guy save us from total collapse and race war, but that is not going to happen.

  • Fred Dawes

    Both may as well be obama both are behind Globalist and are part of the system boys both have done nothing against Obama and both are total butt and as far as Ron Paul is looking he said yeaterday the real Problem is the social security people and nothing about the 600 trillion in globalists banking debit and if this evil comes down on us all the American people will have no sanctuary from our enemies, in other word we are about to see real hell.

  • crackerjack

    A ship of fools at the mercy of Tea Party white thrash lunatics. Let's wait and see what becomes of the current freak show when the queen of white thrash, Palin, hops on board to rally her crew.

    • aspacia

      Hey cracker, it takes one to know one.

    • InPursuitOf Reason

      Tell me crackerjack…How is President Zero working out for you???

      • crackerjack

        Every nation gets the leaders it deserves.

        • Wideband

          This nation gets to correct its mistakes every four years.

  • http://jc.does-it.net Gene W.

    Perry, Romney and Obama belong to the same One World Government (OWG) [defined by the Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission and Bilderberg’s] that controls the UN (80% Muslim countries), hence the UN’s World Bank and International Monetary Fund (IMF). This OWG has evolved to brazenly dictate, write and control the laws, politics and economy of our country. As presidents, their job is to read the OWG prepared speeches, sign their legislation and low profile until needed again. Please read and understand Executive Order 12425 … Do you think Obama wrote that? Perry and Rimney would have signed it too! Both (look at actions not word) are pro big taxes and illegal immigration and are behind Obama Care! [Continued]

  • http://jc.does-it.net Gene W.

    If our readers were not so brain washed and lazy, they would study these organizations and its trail of influence. Every president in the past 50+ years has been pre-endorsed and funded by the OWG… Dump the RINOs and elect a principled person who has not been bought by Muslims and the OWG. Cain is tainted with membership in the Federal Reserve bank and who knows what else! Is it bad that Bachmann believes the Bible?

    A one page proof that the Biblical text was authored by God is found at http://jc.does-it.net. Since God authored the Bible it has His authority, therefore Biblical authority on any subject exceeds any other document or reasoning.

  • Jim_C

    Thank you, Gene, for demonstrating what has become the core of today's Republican party. May you and yours be front and center, loud and proud!

  • Dave Walker

    I thought they were all pretty impressive except Huntsman, who is clearly in the wrong party. Ron Paul's squeaky voice and sometimes strange answers distracted from the good things he had to say.

    • Raymond in DC

      That Huntsman accepts the "science is settled" argument regarding AGW shows he doesn't understand the scientific method. Science is *never* settled. It's an ongoing process involving theory and attempts to validate theory against evidence. I would have, however, expected a better challenge to those "global warming" assumptions from Perry, something beyond arguing that the proposed remedies will hurt the economy.

  • Jim_C

    Their number is no longer negligible, Ike–but your other conclusion certainly holds up.

    "Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid." Dwight D. Eisenhower, "RINO"

    • Wideband

      Jeez, Jim, Please reference a (serious) republican who advocates an attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance and eliminate labor laws and farm programs.

      You knocked the stuffing out of your strawman, as usual.

  • George

    Perry was not very impressive. He clearly doesn't have the same intellectual fortitude of Romney or Bachman. I was expecting more from this "Conservative" stalwart.

    • Fred Dawes

      Or ron and all want to remove us as a nation state nothing talk about the 600 trillion in enternational debt all want the social security to be removed and all in one way or the other work for other people

  • Ray Czar

    So is it a 2 man race Perry vs Romney?

    The debate went as the "framers" wanted it, or at least
    tried to steer it. Beware the "framers" of the debate,
    same ole talking heads—who represent the "establishment"
    or powers that be, and what they want, rather than "we the people"!

    Seem to play "gotcha journalism" on Perry, who held his own.

    Not enough focus on other candidates!

    Don't let the liberal media persuade, or direct what they think
    you should be focusing on.

    Think independently!

    Ray Czar

    • Wideband

      It's tough to imagine it going other way on MSNBC. That's why Newt struck out at them, a smart move in my estimation. The republican viewers of the debate, who probably tripled MSNBCs normal viewership, had to recognise what the framers were doing, and had to be wondering when somebody would call them on it.

  • Fred Dawes

    sheeple will walk into a third world knowing it full well, its hopeless. next stop civil and race war.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    If it remains a two man race, as a conservative independent I can't support Perry for several reasons:

    One) he is a professional politician and I support term limits specifically to put professional politicians out of business.

    Two) Because he is a big time Islamopanderer and the last Republican President also from Texas, by the way, was also an enormous Islamopanderer that not only gave us the ludicrous but politically correct paradigm that Islam is a so-called Religion of Peace™ being hijacked by a tiny minority of extremists that still haunts us today as it is the official position of our federal government, but like a loon he also based two incredibly fantasy based nation-building missions off of that same ludicrous political correct myth that inevitably turned out to be the two biggest strategic blunders ever in US history, while he also at the same time like a Dhimmicrat on steroids used the 9/11 jihad attacks as an excuse to double the size, scope, and power of the federal government and federal spending and to create a false sense of security so the US could continue accommodating mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage, when he should have banned and reversed Muslim immigration instead and sealed off the borders for a small fraction of the cost. If he had did that instead, the US would actually be far safer today. Indeed, if the Republican Party today can't be against the Islamization of America, then I'm sorry but it doesn't deserve my vote, even if it means 4 more years of Obama.

    Three) Because he is far too weak on sealing off the border and he is also an illegal immigrant panderer like our last Republican President was also.

    Four) Because he was once Al Gore's campaign manager in Texas.

    Five) Because he is not nearly as conservative as the lamestream media is trying to portray him as being to attempt to influence the election again.

    • retire05

      One) he is a Texas politician and you don't get to choose who Texans elect.

      Two) Danial Pipes and Frank Gaffney disagree with your assessment, and you are simply parrotting talking points from DailyPaul.

      Three) Perry has no authority to seal the border between Texas and Mexico any more than Arizona, New Mexico and California can do it on their own. That is federal responsibility and I don't see you bashing the other governors because their border is an equal sieve.

      Four) Another Paul talking point, but blatantly false. Gore had NO campaign manager in Texas, but a number of Democrats did organize for him, while other Texas Democrats were behind Dukakis. Gib Lewis, not Rick Perry, could have been said to be the de facto Gore Texas campaign manager. Get your facts straight.

      Five) He is more conservative than a number of the others that were on that stage including Gingrich and Romney.

      • ObamaYoMoma

        One) he is a Texas politician and you don't get to choose who Texans elect.

        Who is claiming they had a right to appoint a politician? Are you delusional?

        Two) Danial Pipes and Frank Gaffney disagree with your assessment, and you are simply parrotting talking points from DailyPaul.

        Daniel Pipes has been searching for the proverbial so-called “moderate Muslim” ever since he started his career and every time he thought he found one, they were eventually arrested. As for as Frank Gaffney goes, you are going to have to provide proof.

        Now, there is a group of RINO Islamopanderer bloggers that are putting fourth all kinds of misinformation on Perry's record to try to cover up and minimize the fact that Perry is not only an Islamopanderer but a dumb useful idiot.

        Every President on both sides of the political aisle since the end of Reagan's final term have been Islamopanderers, illegal immigrant panderers, and weak on national security Sorry but we don't need Presidents especially in the Republican Party that participate in the Islamization of America, that are weak on illegal immigration, and also weak on national security. Apparently, you are one of those RINO apologizers for Islam and Rick Perry.

        Three) Perry has no authority to seal the border between Texas and Mexico any more than Arizona, New Mexico and California can do it on their own. That is federal responsibility and I don't see you bashing the other governors because their border is an equal sieve.

        Who claimed that Perry had authority to seal the borders? I just reported what is true. Perry is against building a fence, Perry signed and implemented the Texas equivalent to the Dream Act, and Perry supports providing amnesty for illegal immigrants already living in America. Thus, if Rick Perry is a RINO like you and weak on illegal immigration like Dhimmicrats, it's not my fault. I'm just reporting the facts and why like an unhinged leftwing loon are you attacking the messenger?

        Four) Another Paul talking point, but blatantly false. Gore had NO campaign manager in Texas, but a number of Democrats did organize for him, while other Texas Democrats were behind Dukakis. Gig Lewis, not Rick Perry, could have been said to be the de facto Gore Texas campaign manager. Get your facts straight.

        Actually, Paul is an anarcho-kook who believes 9/11 was America's chickens coming home to roost. Hence, please don't falsely accuse me of being one of Paul's kook supporters. Nevertheless, there are several articles out there that were published in several newspapers like the Washington Compost at the time that prove Perry was a big Gore supporter. I suggest you look them up, read them, and stop making a fool out of yourself.

        Five) He is more conservative than a number of the others that were on that stage including Gingrich and Romney.

        Only if you are a RINO like you are or gullible enough to believe the lamestream media could you believe that Perry is more conservative than Gingrich and Romney. Anyone that halfway pays attention can look at Perry's record and easily see for themselves first of all that he is a professional politician and second that his record of service isn't nearly as conservative as he would wish people to believe.

  • Asher

    The Great Republican debate was full of ideas and solutions. I thought all the candidates did well, Perry and Romney were two Dudes duking it out with great one liners… This country would take off and improve with Perry and Romney at the Helm. Sarah Palin would be Secretary of Energy, (Drill Baby Drill) and John Bolton would be Secretary of State) (Great on Foreign Policy) I have to say that the brains and Ideas are on the Right….Compare this debate of civility and ideas to the Hateful rhetoric on the left telling the people to go to hell and calling us, SOBS. Obama's policies have been destructive, but we the people are resourceful, if we can get rid of his Socialist Regime we will Rise out of this Pit, just like we did on 911.

  • Asher

    This was a great debate with alot of ideas, humor, and very civil. The Brains and ideas are on the Right, and the records for Success! Perry and Romney would make a good team to create jobs, strengthen our economy, National Security, Start Drilling again, and get off of Terrorist foreign oil, and Eliminate Obama care.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    Just re-watched the part of the debate about what to do about sealing off the border and then what to do with the illegal immigrants that are already here once the border is sealed, and Romney by far gave the best answer, as he said he would fence in the entire length of the border and provide the troops necessary to police the fence in order to prevent any illegals from using ladders to go over the fence. In addition, he would not stop there, as he would also shut down the magnets that draw them here by shutting down the sanctuary cities and by going after the employers that hire the illegal immigrants. Finally, he said there would also be no amnesty for the illegal immigrants already here because that would penalize the legal immigrants already waiting in line and at the same time create new incentives for more illegal immigrants to enter the country illegally.

    With respect to Gov. Perry, he is against a fence, he also passed Texas's version of the Dream Act, and he also supports amnesty on an individual basis for illegal immigrants. Gingrich, Santorum, and Bachman would all seal off the borders with a fence, create a temporary worker program, and then deal with illegals on an individual basis, i.e., amnesty, in which they were all very reticent to admit on a national stage. Huntsmen says he agrees with every one and then said Ronald Reagan could find a solution. In other words, he was trying to dodge the question. Cain says the problem should be solved comprehensively but at the same time left up to the individual states. Finally, that anarcho-kook Ron Paul said he is against a fence because like a paranoid Schizophrenic he said a fence could be used to also fence us in, in the event we later want to leave.

    • retire05

      Perhaps you can tell me how Romney intends to fence the Rio Grand where the international boundry runs right down the middle of it? Or do you think that since ranches own land right up to the river's edge in Texas, Romney should enforce eminent domain and take that land away from the ranchers in order to build a land based fence?

      I hear a lot of yapping about the fence, the fence, the fence, so tell me, how do you eliminate the tunnels currently being build under what fence exists? How does a fence compensate for boots on the ground with the authority to arrest those violating our sovereignty?

      Texas has no "Dream Act." I suggest you research the SCOTUS case Plyler and inform yourself on the other states that gave in-state tuition to the children of illegals at the same time Texas did. I don't see you railing on them. But I suspect you would rather have kids who are here through no fault of their own dropping out of high school turning into Fast and Furious gun runners instead of knowing if they finish high school they can go on to college and become responsibile tax payers.

      • ObamaYoMoma

        Perhaps you can tell me how Romney intends to fence the Rio Grand where the international boundry runs right down the middle of it? Or do you think that since ranches own land right up to the river's edge in Texas, Romney should enforce eminent domain and take that land away from the ranchers in order to build a land based fence?

        Actually, the majority of ranchers and land owners support getting a free security fence built on their property to keep out illegal immigrants and illegal drug traffickers. Nevertheless, Perry is against the fence because he is weak on illegal immigration, national security, and Islamization, and also because he has been pandering for money and votes to the employers that hire illegal immigrants for years since he is a professional politician.

        With respect to stopping tunnels and ladders, you do as Romney proposed, first, you provide enough manpower to police the fence, then next you turn off the magnets, i.e, shut down the sanctuary cities, punish the employers that hire illegal immigrants, and stop providing them free tuition like Perry, and then lastly and unlike Perry, you don't allow amnesty for illegal immigrants under any circumstances. Hey, it's not my fault that you and Perry are RINOs that are weak on illegal immigration, Islamization, and national security. Again, I'm just reporting the facts.

        I suggest you research the SCOTUS case Plyler and inform yourself on the other states that gave in-state tuition to the children of illegals at the same time Texas did. I don't see you railing on them.

        Why should I rail on them? Are they also running for President? If they were, I can assure you I would be railing on them.

        But I suspect you would rather have kids who are here through no fault of their own dropping out of high school turning into Fast and Furious gun runners instead of knowing if they finish high school they can go on to college and become responsibile tax payers.

        In other words, you are also a RINO like Perry. Thus, like Perry you also are weak on illegal immigration, national security, and Islamization. Hey, whatever floats your boat, but I think that you and Perry and other stealth leftists like you and Perry should stop trying to hijack and co-opt the Republican Party in order to turn it into the second coming of the Dhimmicrat Party like another former Texas governor attempted to do, which is the reason why we are stuck with Obama today.

        • retire05

          What I am NOT is a hater like you. And I would like to know where you gleen your information that ranchers, whose properties run right up to the Rio Grand that supplies water for their cattle want a fence so that their cattle can't get to that water. So cough up some proof that ranchers are willing to let their catte die of thirst just for a fence.

          What you ignore is how many times Perry has asked for 1,200 NG on the border, and how he was denied. Doesn't that fit with Romney's plan to put enough manpower on the border? Oh, wait, if Romney says it, you're fine with it, but if Perry says it, you turn into a hate machine.

          As to the illegals already here, what do you propose we do with the 20 million (the Border Patrol estimate)? How about this; we get haters like you to go out on Saturday nights and round them up at gun point, load them on cattle cars, even the children, and ship them to some third world nation? Isn't that what you really want?

          • ObamaYoMoma

            As to the illegals already here, what do you propose we do with the 20 million (the Border Patrol estimate)? How about this; we get haters like you to go out on Saturday nights and round them up at gun point, load them on cattle cars, even the children, and ship them to some third world nation? Isn't that what you really want?

            Actually, if it were left up to me, I'd go after the sanctuary cities and the employers to ensure that illegals can no longer live and work in America, then afterward I'd let them self-deport themselves. I mean if they can't work, they can't earn money, and if they can't earn money, then before long they won't be able to buy food, and if they can't afford to buy food, then they have no other choice but to self-deport themselves. Of course, they will leave long before that ever happens unless they are retarded. You know sort of like the same way they illegally imported themselves into the country, they can legally deport themselves out of the country.

            In any event, if you want to vilify and demonize me by calling me a hater because I don't feel sorry for law breakers that entered our country illegally instead of legally, then go ahead as I could care less, since I'm not a bleeding heart liberal like you and Rick Perry. Indeed, they knew the score long before they ever got here.

            As for as the rest of your garbage goes, it's really not worth arguing since you, Rick Perry, and the rest of you leftwing RINO open border loons are the only ones in the Republican Party that support that nonsense. Indeed, the vast overwhelming majority of the America people want the borders sealed. Go argue with them.

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