Islam and Nationalism


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In Christianity the situation is different since there is no parallel concept to the “nation of Israel” fostering a kindred feeling amongst all Christians throughout the world.  Thus without this binding factor a Christian living in France feels first and foremost attached to his French country and is committed to its wellbeing just as his fellow Christian in Argentina feels the same there.

In Islam, however, the situation is different from both Judaism and Christianity.  There is the concept of the “ummah”, the nation of Islam, which unites all Muslims in the world as one family regardless of where they happen to dwell.  Together with this there is the aggregate region where the Muslims at any one moment have complete sovereignty, itself a precondition for being allowed to freely and fully practice Islam, known as the Dar al-Islam or “abode of Islam”.  Hence it is the combination of the two – the ummah creating the feeling of mutual obligation amongst all of the world’s Muslims and the Dar al-Islam, an entity which must constantly be expanded beyond its traditional Middle Eastern base – which precludes the idea of state nationalism from taking hold in the Islamic world in a way that is similar to either the Jewish or Christian world.

This being the case, it is foolish to believe that granting the Arabs another state will somehow make them sufficiently satisfied to the point of laying down their weapons and changing their ways since the whole concept of state nationalism, from a western perspective, is nonexistent in Islam.  Similarly, it is wishful thinking to assume that they will ever accept the existence of a small Jewish “outpost” called the State of Israel, regardless of its size, in the heart of the Dar al-Islam.

Yoel Meltzer is a freelance writer living in Jerusalem. His personal blog is Yoelmeltzer.com.

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  • Ghulam Muhammed

    Post World War II, British colonists divided two nations in such a devilish way, that 63 years down the line, after series of internecine wars and bloodshed of millions, both the divided states have yet to find peace. The two divided states are British India and British mandated Palestine. To understand the similarities of problems and possible solutions, the world must study how to undo the injustices that British colonialists have inflicted on the people of these two divided nations. Any creative exercise that promotes old bonds of relationship between the two divided parts of the warring nations, will go long way to establish peace in the world.

    • logdon

      Funny how some of those old British colonies survived and prospered?

      I refer to the USA, Canada, Australia, Hong Kong and India.

      Shifting blame is classically Islamic and why Islam, when devoid of its very own imperialistic t impetus of the conquering jihad has shrivelled into a nonentity only headlined by its violence, censoriousness, self ordained superiority and above all, whining.

      Blame the Jews. Blame America. Blame Britain. Only one missing victim of blame is the root and that is Islam itself.

      When we read of literacy rates in the ME and Pakistan could that be a clue? When we look at Nobel Laureates, patents issued, manufacturing innovation, does that not indicate anything?

      In Gaza, and the PA territories children are taught not as expansion of knowledge but hate. Thousands of Pakistani children are indoctrinated in madrassas, learning by rote in a language they don't even understand, the utterances of a seventh century charlatan. Is that your formula for progress?

      And above all stop the pious and hypocritical lecturing of empires and colonialism whilst not so subtly missing out on that grandaddy of the lot.

      That would be if your education serves correctly, the Ottomans and Moors who ravaged Europe over a period of centuries only to be piecemeal removed by a dhimmi populace sick of the depredations of these marauding, slave taking hordes.

      Selective history, my friend only works amongst the ignorant and uninformed.

      • Bob Akbar

        Islam has colonized DOZENS of formerly Christian countries and no one mames a peep about that.

    • logdon

      PS

      Try reading this from the very same page on lessons of duplicity, deception, corruption and greed.

      And above all why Pakistan, rather than India is a failed state.

      Pakistan’s Provocation
      By Matt Gurney

    • Chezwick_mac

      Ghulam would have been perfectly content with the British "devilish way" if the Hindus of India and the Jews of Palestine had been consigned to a post-colonial dhimmitude under Muslim suzerainty….(not that they – the British – didn't try in the case of Palestine).

      There is only one reason why the Indian sub-Continent and the Middle East are mired in perpetual conflict: The inability of Muslims to live in peace with their neighbors. This sad reality includes any region of the world where Muslims in large numbers live side-by-side in with non-Muslims.

      Just look at the carnage in Nigeria, where over 10,000 have been killed in inter-communal violence over the last decade (far exceeding casualties in the I/P conflict over the same period)….Or how about the deaths of thousands of Christians at the hands of Muslims on Sulawesi Island in Indonesia over the same period….Or what about the tragedy of south Sudan, where over 1.5 million non-Muslims have been killed via war or man-made famine over the last quarter century.

      None of this has ANYTHING whatsoever to do with "American foreign policy", "imperialism", or "oppression", or the other pathetic rationals typically advanced by academics and apologists to justify Islamic intolerance. It has EVERYTHING to do with the twisted ethos of Islam's founder and his immutable message that Muslims wage war on unbelievers.

    • ziontruth

      After 63 years, maybe it's time for you to grow up and own your failures. Here's a hint: British colonial buildings in Israeli cities are still standing, while the greenhouses in Gaza didn't survive a week after the evacuation of the Jews.

      "Grow up? Who do you think you're kidding?! You might as well ask Obama to stop blaming Bush!" /introspection

    • eagle275

      Guess you forgot you people sided with Germany in WW1 and with Hitler in WW2, with Amin Al Husseini being Hitler's rt hand man and getting a few Hanzer SS Divisions ( all muslim ) and helped to commit genocide, and still haven't learned your lesson yet. You beete be glad we didn't nuke your a$$ to, but keep on, you might get your wish.

    • jason taylor

      Perhaps you wish to invite the Turks back?

  • crackerjack

    Zionisms concept of Nation, based on religion, resembles Islams Umma. Aliya is expected and demanded. Jews dwelling outside Israel are viewed as "absent" and are expected to put Israeli interests before the interests of their host nations, as we see in the AIPAC lobby.

    • Rifleman

      So where's the Jewish division of the world into the Land of Submission, and the Land of War, or the mandate to conquer and subjugate the rest of the world?

      If Judaism were really similar to islam, Israel would claim everything between Beirut and the West bank of the Suez Canal.

    • ziontruth

      No, Islam is internationalist, just like the Marxism you adhere to.

    • MixMChess

      "Zionisms concept of Nation, based on religion, resembles Islams Umma."

      WRONG again crackerbrain. Zionism has always been a SECULAR movement and not based on religion. Zionism is merely based on the idea of statehood for the Jewish people. Look no further than modern Israel where the government is completely SECULAR and there is NO OFFICIAL STATE RELIGION. FACT: over 20% of Israelis are non-Jews who enjoy and are guaranteed the same rights as Jews. Nice try though…

      "Aliya is expected and demanded."

      Huh? Did you just make that up like you do with everything else?

      "Jews dwelling outside Israel are viewed as "absent" and are expected to put Israeli interests before the interests of their host nations, as we see in the AIPAC lobby."

      This is disgusting, of course Jews everywhere have a secret agenda and run a secret cabal to promote Israeli interests. Read the Protocols much have we? Surely Congress is more interested in a completely grass-roots organization than it is in BILLIONS of Saudi Oil Money and Corporate Oil Interests tied to Arab oil. I keep forgetting that oil and Saudi money are silly and don't have any currency in Washington D.C.

  • tanstaafl

    from the Qur'an –

    Quran 9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."

    9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's cause; they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."

    8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."

    • crackerjack

      here's where the Quaran atrocities against unbelievers originated………..

      Bible OT

      Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." (I Samuel 15:2-3)

      Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." (Isaiah 13:15-16)

      "If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;" ……thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people." (Deuteronomy 13:8-9)

      "Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword." (Deuteronomy 13:15)

      • stern23

        crackerjack, 10 out of 10 for sheer brilliance. You quote a passage from the Old Testament and liken it to a passage out of the Quruan, with absolutely no comment about how the different communities act on those passages. Tell me:
        How many Jews do you see today, looking for Amalek so that they can "utterly destroy" them?
        How many Christians do you see today "smiting" Amalek?
        And in contrast, how many Muslims are all too busy fighting and killing the "unbelievers"?
        Time to get real, or go away.

        • crackerjack

          And exactly how do the different communities act? Israeli troops in Palestine. US troops in Afghanistan. British troops in Iraq. And where, in contrast, do you see Amalek invasions and occupations of Christendom ? Perhaps you need to read the news every now and then to keep in touch with whats going on in the world.

          …..and the fact remains. The Bible explicitly demands the slaughter of disbelievers.

          • MixMChess

            WRONG as usual…. at least with regard to Judaism. Under Jewish law the commandments in the bible regarding "Amalek are for a very specific time and period. Those commandments have no modern or practical function and are completely moot. Subsequent rabbis and Jewish scholars )from Maimonedes to Palagi) have all confirmed as such.

          • stern23

            Interesting fact for your crackerjack. the Palestinians, the Taliban, Al Qaida and all those other nice Islamic folks have a rather nasty habit of targeting civilians. e.g. 9/11, 7/7 in Britain, the Spanish train bombings, the Fogel family slaughter etc. etc. In contrast the IDF has the lowest civilian to combatant casualty rate in the world (see http://tinyurl.com/3vgkaex).
            As for the US and British troops, they may be a bit more cavalier about civilian deaths than the IDF, but they do not deliberately target civilians.
            The bible passage you quote very specifically calls for killing everyone.
            Quite obviously, this is the goal of Islamists. It is also quite obviously never the goal of Jews or Christians.

      • Bob Akbar

        The command to Israel referred to one set of enemies at one time, not to kill non-jews “wherever you find them”

        • Bob Akbar

          1 per cent of the OT is violent. How does that compare?

      • ObamaYoMoma

        Here’s what that unhinged anti-Semitic bigoted loon Crackerjack can’t get through his mentally handicapped thick skull, those OT verses he quoted were regarding a specific people at a specific time and place a long, long, time ago, and unlike the sword verses contained in the Koran that command all Muslims to wage jihad against unbelievers until the entire world belongs to Islam, they are not open ended commandments valid for all time. Hence, he can post all the OT verses he wants and make a fool out of himself at the same time, but it only reinforces what most people already know about him anyway, which is that he is an enormous ignoramus.

        Furthermore, there aren’t any Jews or Christians today acting on those OT verses the same way Muslims are acting on the sword verses contained in the Koran all over the world exactly because they don’t apply, as the people they were directed against have long been extinct. However, because the sword verses of the Koran are open ended and valid for all time, the Islamic world is not only waging a permanent and perpetual jihad of conquest against the Jewish unbelievers in Israel, but it also waging permanent and perpetual jihads of conquest against the Hindu unbelievers in Kashmir and Jammu, the Buddhist unbelievers in Thailand, the Christian unbelievers in the Philippines, the atheist and Orthodox Christian unbelievers in Chechnya and Russia, the animist and Christian unbelievers in the Ivory Coast, the Orthodox Christian Serb unbelievers in Bosnia and Kosovo, and any and all unbelievers around the world including him, but he is too dumb to know it.

        In addition, because that myopic unhinged bigot Crackerjack is so fanatically obsessed and consumed by Jew hatred, he tunes out all those other jihads being waged against unbelievers around the world. Just like he also tunes out the fact that all Christians and other unbelievers living inside every majority Muslim country in the world are violently oppressed and systematically persecuted when not outright slaughtered altogether, and just like he also tunes out the fact that the majority of Muslim immigrants to the West always flat out refuse to assimilate and integrate and instead form Muslim no-go zones ruled by Sharia as parallel societies within societies and in direct contravention to the laws of the states in which they reside exactly because Muslims immigrate only to eventually subjugate and dominate. Finally, he also tunes out the fact that Christians and all other unbelievers living in Muslim majority countries are forbidden from building new houses of worship and from practicing their respective religions openly, while Muslim immigrants living in the West, on the other hand, are perfectly free do build thousands of mosques and madrassas and to practice Islam openly, even as the majority of Muslim immigrants refuse to assimilate and integrate and form Muslim no-go zones ruled by Sharia instead.

      • Jaladhi

        So Quran is just a copy of OT and not the original word of god as you guys always claim. Quran is nothing but a very bad copy of OT , and yes made worse by Mo/allah.

      • eagle275

        Guess you forgot you people sided with Germany in WW1 and with Hitler in WW2, with Amin Al Husseini being Hitler's rt hand man and getting a few Hanzer SS Divisions ( all muslim ) and helped to commit genocide, and still haven't learned your lesson yet. You better be glad we didn't nuke your a$$ too, but keep on, you might get your wish.

    • Asher

      Ezekiel 39: Son of man prophesy against Gog and say: This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of Meschech and Tubal. I will turn you around and drag you along. I will bring you from the far north and send you against the mountains of Israel. On the mountains of Israel you will fall, and you and all your troops and the nations with you. I wil give you as food to all kinds of carrion birds and to the wild animals. 38:7 I will make known my holy name among my people, Israel. I will no longer let my holy name be profaned, and the nations will know that I am the Holy One in Israel…..This means Russia, Iran, Turkey, Sudan, Libya, Syria, and all nations who go against Israel will fall!

  • Marty

    The palestinians have no moral right to Judea and Samaria and would not be happy even if Israel withdrew to the ridiculous ceasefire lines that obtained before 1967. Golda Meir correctly noted that when Israel as behind those lines there wasn't any peace then either. The objective of arabs as well as muslims across the globe is the destruction on Israel because it is a modern, prosperous, technologically advanced, and democratic society. All palestinians want to do is establish the 23rd corrupt and dysfunctional arab state, preferably after the slaughter of millions of Jews. Then they'll be happy.

    • PAthena

      Golda Meir asked, "Who are the Palestinians?" Some people laughed, that she was denying that they were a people. But she asked because it was Jews who had always been the "Palestinians" since the Roman Emperor Hadrian changed the name of Judea to Palestina in 135 A.D. after defeating the last of the Jewish Rebellions under Bar Kochba, and outlawed Judaism. "Palestine" then became synonymous with "land of the Jews" or the "Holy Land," (since Jesus was a Jew), and "Palestinian" synonymous with "Jew." That is why Great Britain was awarded the "Palestine Mandate" after World War I to be the "homeland of the Jews."
      Arabs have gotten called "Palestinian" since the 1964 invention of the "Palestine Liberation Organization" by Gamal Nasser and the Soviet Union, both haters of Jews, in Cairo, with phony history and propaganda. Arabs miscalled "Palestinians" deserve nothing as such.

  • Leo

    Israel is the glue that hold the Islamic/Arab world together. If Israel didn't exist The Muslims would be fighting each other every each way. Is anyone can claim that The Arabs get along with the Turks or the Turks like the Persians. The Answer is defiantly NO, they have been fighting each other since the days of Muhammad.
    The division among the Islamic World is much greater than Christendom. There is a reason why in 1948 The Turks were among the very first wave of nations that recolonized Israel, or the close relation between Israel and Iran during The Shah regime. Israel instead capitulating on Obami's delusional vision, she should try to explore the divisions among the Islamic world and let them fight each other to death.

    • Asher

      Correct, Islam is a warring-Barbaric race, they temporarily get along with each other to try and destroy Israel, but times are changing, God's Hot Wrath is coming to those who curse Israel…He will uphold Israel with his Mighty Right Hand!

    • mukhsil kaafirin

      layer of his blief, you are going to satisfy your self saying that moslems are enemy to each other . its a fablicated story,

  • ObamaYoMoma

    Actually, it goes beyond that, as other than a lot of Arabs being Muslims, being Arab has exactly nothing whatsoever to do with the permanent genocidal jihad of conquest being waged perpetually against the Jewish unbelievers in Israel. Indeed, Israel’s biggest nemesis today, Iran, is a country largely comprised of Persians and not Arabs. Hence, it is ludicrous to characterize the jihad of conquest being waged against the Jewish unbelievers in Israel perpetually as an Israeli-Arab Conflict, and the only reason it is mis-portrayed in the media in that way is to paint the Arabs as the victims of the greedy and nefarious Jews and to also hide the fact that the Islamic world or the Dar al Islam is waging a perpetual jihad against all unbelievers not only in Israel, but also throughout the world as well. Thus, when Jews like the writer of this article mischaracterizes what is happening in Israel as a conflict between Arabs and Israel, he legitimizes what is in reality taqiyya and false propaganda meant to deceive gullible kafir infidel unbelievers, as Muhammad famously said, “jihad is deceit.”

    • Asher

      Yes, Taqiyya is prevalent in Islamic politics, especially in the modern Era. It is deemed obligatory to advance your goals by deceiving the Infidel and the Jew. I'll also give you another word, Dhimmitude which is used in Obama's Health care bill. Dhimmitude is the Muslem system of controlling non-Muslim populations, conquered through Jihad. Specifically it is the Taxing of non-Muslims in exchange for toleratin their presence and as a coercive means of converting conquered remnants to Islam. This is exclusively an Islamic concept under Sharia Law. So everyone who is so in love with the Left and their policies be ready to be over-taxes on everything as part of the penalty

  • voted against carter

    ' TAQIYYA '
    Do your own research about it if you don't know what this means.

    Islam IS EVIL. PERIOD.

    Islam strives for world domination.

    The Quran commands Muslims to exercise jihad.

    The Quran commands Muslims to establish shariah law.

    The Quran commands Muslims to impose Islam on the entire world.

    Islam is NOT a religion, it IS a totalitarian ideology.

    Islam wants to dominate all aspects of life, from the cradle to the grave.

    Shariah law is a law that controls every detail of life in a Islamic society.

    From civic- and family law to criminal law.

    It determines how one should eat, dress and even use the toilet.

    Oppression of women is good, drinking alcohol is bad.

    The core of the Quran is the call to jihad.

    Jihad means a lot of things and is Arabic for battle.

    Islam means submission, there cannot be any mistake about its goal.

    Islam and freedom, Islam and democracy are not compatible.

    They are opposite values.

    Mohamed's "wife" was six years old.

    That makes Mohamed a PEDOPHILE!!!

    And you want to base a "Religion" on this a z z -holes rantings?

    Are you INSANE?

  • eagle275

    To all muslims – get your fatcs straight about the Bible – New Testament supercedes the Old Testament. Guess you forgot you people sided with Germany in WW1 and with Hitler in WW2, with Amin Al Husseini being Hitler's rt hand man and getting a few Hanzer SS Divisions ( all muslim ) and helped to commit genocide, and still haven't learned your lesson yet. You better be glad we didn't nuke your a$$ too, but keep on, you might get your wish.

    • jhon y atiman

      hey watch your mouth! where's your nuke? and i slap it to face!!!!!1

    • Razi Y

      Mr. Eagle, don't fly too high. You are lacking oxygen.

      What nonsense to claim that the Evangelical texts 'supersede' the Hebrew Bible. Anyone who read God's word in the Bible can't help notice that there is NEVER any claim that God is abandoning his People – in fact, the very opposite is stated everywhere throughout the text.

      And I'm sorry, Mr. Eagle, but the very fact that in recent times God had mercy on His People and has returned to redeeming them in the Land of Israel, just as He promised – makes the Evangelical story a bit ridiculous, doesn't it?

      Come on now – you contradict yourself from the word go, because God makes it perfectly clear that no human individual can ever be divine. Divinity is for the one True God alone.

  • Razi Y

    Mr. Meltzer writes that the Islamic world will never accept a small Jewish state in the Dar-el-Islam. This is true, but not for the reasons that Mr. Meltzer brings.

    Islam will not accept a small Jewish state because iit demands a larger one!

    The Quran says clearly that Allah gave the Land of Israel to the People of Israel – on both sides of the river (Jordan) – as an eternal inheritance. And it is perfectly clear in our world that this one nation, the Jewish People, is none other than the ancient People of Israel.

    While some Moslems claim otherwise, it is just like Moslems claiming that Ishmael was the real, a priori descendant of Abraham. The Bible states clearly that Ishmael recognized the primacy of his younger brother Isaac – so too will the Arab world, at the right time and place, recognize the primacy of the People of Israel regarding the Land of Israel.

    It's that simple.