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		<title>By: dionissismitropoulos</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;i&gt;&quot;Just consider this quote from Isreal first president Ben Gurion in December 1938, &quot;If I knew it was possible to save all the children in Germany by taking them to England, and only half of the children by taking them to Eretz Israel, I would choose the second solution.&#194; For we must take into account not only the lives of these children but also the history of the people of Israel&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Well, in the interest of having the other side heard, too, i am quoting from Media watchdog &quot;CAMERA&quot;: 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&amp;x_outlet=118&amp;x_article=1566&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&amp;x...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
 
Ben Gurion and the Holocaust 
 
&#8226; One of the particularly offensive canards long bandied about by so-called &quot;post-Zionists&quot; and anti-Zionist radicals is that  Zionists collaborated with the Nazis to promote immigration to Palestine against overall Jewish interests and the survival of European Jews. Citing Lenni Brenner&#039;s Zionists in the Age of the Dictators &#8212; which has been thoroughly discredited as an unscholarly combination of fabrication, exaggeration and  quotations distorted through lack of context (Walter Laqueur, &quot;The Anti-Zionism of Fools,&quot; The New Republic, Nov. 1, 1987) &#8212; Ignatiev attempts to promote this disproved claim. He thus quotes Ben Gurion  to support his allegation that the Israeli leader &quot;attach[ed] more importance to the establishment of Israel than to the survival of the Jews,&quot; collaborating with the Nazis to achieve this goal.  The statement, as quoted by Ignatiev (via Brenner who, in turn, cites Yoav Gelber) is: 
 
    If I knew that it would be possible to save all the children in Germany by bringing them over to England, and only half by transporting to Eretz Yisrael [the Land of Israel], then I would opt for the second alternative.  For we must weigh not only the life of these children, but also the history of the People of Israel.  
 
By cherry-picking a single comment, removing it from its context, and ignoring other comments made by Ben Gurion that directly contradict this interpretation, the author distorts history.  
 
The Ben Gurion quote is taken from comments he made to Mapai&#039;s central committee on December 7, 1938.  This followed Britain&#039;s decision to deny entrance into Palestine of 10,000 German Jewish orphans in the wake of Kristallnacht,  instead offering them asylum within Great Britain. It was almost a year before the Nazis launched World War II and several years before the Final Solution (to annihilate the Jews) was methodically  implemented. While Ben Gurion believed that Germany&#039;s anti-Jewish policies would necessitate creating a safe haven for numerous Jewish refugees that no other country was willing to accept,  he had no way of predicting the enormity of what was to follow. 
 
The British offer to accept several thousand children appeared to be a gesture of conscience allowing Britain to close the doors of Palestine &#8212; not only  to those German orphans, but to future refugees as well.  Ben Gurion had recently witnessed the results of the international Evian conference, which had been convened in July 1938 to address the growing Jewish refugee problem, and knew that other countries were also unwilling to accept hundreds of thousands of Jewish refugees. He believed that only a Jewish homeland would be able to properly absorb these Jews. Thus Ben Gurion stated that &quot;our concern is not only the personal interest of these children, but the historic interest of the Jewish people&quot; (translation from the stenographic records by Shabtai Teveth, Ben Gurion and the Holocaust, Harcourt Brace &amp; Co. 1996, p. 47). 
 
According to the records of the Mapai meeting, Yitzchak Ben Zvi immediately clarified Ben Gurion&#039;s brusque remark, explaining &quot;ten thousand children are a small part of Germany&#039;s [Jewish] children...They [the British] don&#039;t intend to save Germany&#039;s Jews, and certainly not all of them. The moment the Jewish State Plan [the Peel plan] was shelved, the possibility of complete rescue of Germany&#039;s Jews was shelved with it.&quot; (ibid. p. 48) 
 
There is ample evidence &#8212; ignored by Ignatiev &#8212; that Ben Gurion viewed the rescue of Jews as paramount. As early as 1936,  Ben Gurion told Palestine&#039;s high commissioner, Sir Arthur Wauchope, that &quot;had  there been the possiblity of bringing Poland&#039;s Jews to the United States or Argentina, we would have done so regardless of our Zionist beliefs. But the world was closed to us. And had there also not been room for us in Palestine, our people would have had only one way out: to commit suicide&quot; (Ben Gurion, Memoirs, p.3:105, cited in Shabtai Teveth, Ben Gurion and the Holocaust, pp xlix, 110). And in November 1941, Ben Gurion argued that &quot;the supremely important thing now is salvage, and nation-building is incidental&quot; (Teveth, ibid. p.xlviii). 
 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ageorgio84 </p>
<p><i>&quot;Just consider this quote from Isreal first president Ben Gurion in December 1938, &quot;If I knew it was possible to save all the children in Germany by taking them to England, and only half of the children by taking them to Eretz Israel, I would choose the second solution.&Acirc; For we must take into account not only the lives of these children but also the history of the people of Israel&quot;</i> </p>
<p>Well, in the interest of having the other side heard, too, i am quoting from Media watchdog &quot;CAMERA&quot;:<br />
  <a href="http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&amp;x_outlet=118&amp;x_article=1566" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&#038;x" rel="nofollow">http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&#038;x</a>&#8230; </p>
<p>Ben Gurion and the Holocaust </p>
<p>&bull; One of the particularly offensive canards long bandied about by so-called &quot;post-Zionists&quot; and anti-Zionist radicals is that  Zionists collaborated with the Nazis to promote immigration to Palestine against overall Jewish interests and the survival of European Jews. Citing Lenni Brenner&#039;s Zionists in the Age of the Dictators &mdash; which has been thoroughly discredited as an unscholarly combination of fabrication, exaggeration and  quotations distorted through lack of context (Walter Laqueur, &quot;The Anti-Zionism of Fools,&quot; The New Republic, Nov. 1, 1987) &mdash; Ignatiev attempts to promote this disproved claim. He thus quotes Ben Gurion  to support his allegation that the Israeli leader &quot;attach[ed] more importance to the establishment of Israel than to the survival of the Jews,&quot; collaborating with the Nazis to achieve this goal.  The statement, as quoted by Ignatiev (via Brenner who, in turn, cites Yoav Gelber) is: </p>
<p>    If I knew that it would be possible to save all the children in Germany by bringing them over to England, and only half by transporting to Eretz Yisrael [the Land of Israel], then I would opt for the second alternative.  For we must weigh not only the life of these children, but also the history of the People of Israel.  </p>
<p>By cherry-picking a single comment, removing it from its context, and ignoring other comments made by Ben Gurion that directly contradict this interpretation, the author distorts history.  </p>
<p>The Ben Gurion quote is taken from comments he made to Mapai&#039;s central committee on December 7, 1938.  This followed Britain&#039;s decision to deny entrance into Palestine of 10,000 German Jewish orphans in the wake of Kristallnacht,  instead offering them asylum within Great Britain. It was almost a year before the Nazis launched World War II and several years before the Final Solution (to annihilate the Jews) was methodically  implemented. While Ben Gurion believed that Germany&#039;s anti-Jewish policies would necessitate creating a safe haven for numerous Jewish refugees that no other country was willing to accept,  he had no way of predicting the enormity of what was to follow. </p>
<p>The British offer to accept several thousand children appeared to be a gesture of conscience allowing Britain to close the doors of Palestine &mdash; not only  to those German orphans, but to future refugees as well.  Ben Gurion had recently witnessed the results of the international Evian conference, which had been convened in July 1938 to address the growing Jewish refugee problem, and knew that other countries were also unwilling to accept hundreds of thousands of Jewish refugees. He believed that only a Jewish homeland would be able to properly absorb these Jews. Thus Ben Gurion stated that &quot;our concern is not only the personal interest of these children, but the historic interest of the Jewish people&quot; (translation from the stenographic records by Shabtai Teveth, Ben Gurion and the Holocaust, Harcourt Brace &amp; Co. 1996, p. 47). </p>
<p>According to the records of the Mapai meeting, Yitzchak Ben Zvi immediately clarified Ben Gurion&#039;s brusque remark, explaining &quot;ten thousand children are a small part of Germany&#039;s [Jewish] children&#8230;They [the British] don&#039;t intend to save Germany&#039;s Jews, and certainly not all of them. The moment the Jewish State Plan [the Peel plan] was shelved, the possibility of complete rescue of Germany&#039;s Jews was shelved with it.&quot; (ibid. p. 48) </p>
<p>There is ample evidence &mdash; ignored by Ignatiev &mdash; that Ben Gurion viewed the rescue of Jews as paramount. As early as 1936,  Ben Gurion told Palestine&#039;s high commissioner, Sir Arthur Wauchope, that &quot;had  there been the possiblity of bringing Poland&#039;s Jews to the United States or Argentina, we would have done so regardless of our Zionist beliefs. But the world was closed to us. And had there also not been room for us in Palestine, our people would have had only one way out: to commit suicide&quot; (Ben Gurion, Memoirs, p.3:105, cited in Shabtai Teveth, Ben Gurion and the Holocaust, pp xlix, 110). And in November 1941, Ben Gurion argued that &quot;the supremely important thing now is salvage, and nation-building is incidental&quot; (Teveth, ibid. p.xlviii). </p>
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		<title>By: dionissismitropoulos</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alice  
 
&lt;i&gt;&quot;Yet on the Israel issue you all remain arch-Zionists in spite of the horrendous crimes committed in the name of the Jewish state.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 
 
You are probably referring to the purported expelling of around 600 thousand Palestinians in 1948, after Israel declared her independence and five Arab armies invaded her.. 
 
A good deal of historians argue that the majority of the Palestinians left willingly, following the orders of the five invading Arab armies that were attempting to conduct genocide against the Jews. 
 
These Palestinians expected to return in a few weeks time, after their brothers have exterminated the Jewish presence. 
 
If that was the case, then no horrendous crimes have been committed in the name of the Jewish state. 
 
Are you a historian? Maybe you could disprove this claim? 
 
If you are not a historian, why are you so &lt;i&gt;assertive&lt;/i&gt; about Jewish crimes? I wouldn&#039;t want to think that you have a predilection for blood libels against Jews. 
 
I just hope you are not merely engaging in that vicious form of Christian anti-Semitism that maddened the Europeans up to the point of extinguishing their Jewish populations - and ending up with a Muslim Eurabia, that&#039;s poetic justice, as a Jewish friend of mine has noted. 
 
 &lt;i&gt;&quot;But not a peep of protest here against the sins of Zion.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 
 
The amount of self-criticism of the Israelis and the Jews in general is unbelievable. 
 
Even if it were not, they would definitely be excused, considering that such self-criticism is detrimental at times when the very existence of Israel is at stake - should i remind you that Iran is going for the bomb? 
 
 &lt;i&gt;&quot;It&#039;s Zionism that is creating anti-Semitism in the world.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Anti-Semitism was present since ancient history, long before any Zionist movement was formed. 
 
&lt;i&gt; &quot;More and more they are marrying outside of their race and living their lives as assimilated Americans and not as a separate elite people&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Ah, the &quot;chosen people&quot; libel. 
 
Jews understand this concept as an extra responsibility on them, i.e. a responsibility to behave so as to be moral examples. 
 
They do not see it as a reason for showing-off. 
 
But you, surely, see it as a reason to be jealous of them. 
 
&lt;i&gt;&quot;To all Jews, embrace your home country, which has given you more freedom and prosperity than you have ever known and reject Zionism!&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 
 
But the Jews are doing both: 
 
Embracing America &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; supporting the existence of Israel. 
 
These two are not mutually exclusive. 
 
Why don&#039;t you recognize Israel&#039;s right to exist? 
 
&lt;i&gt;&quot; I am not anti-Semitic.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 
 
I&#039;d love to believe you, but, after all the above anti-Semitic tropes that you reproduced, i find it hard to believe it. 
 
If the way you interpret you religiosity leads you to such Jew-hating, i would suggest you become an atheist, like myself. 
 
Jealousy (and the attendant wish to see the envied one as morally inferior) is a terrible emotion. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alice  </p>
<p><i>&quot;Yet on the Israel issue you all remain arch-Zionists in spite of the horrendous crimes committed in the name of the Jewish state.&quot;</i> </p>
<p>You are probably referring to the purported expelling of around 600 thousand Palestinians in 1948, after Israel declared her independence and five Arab armies invaded her.. </p>
<p>A good deal of historians argue that the majority of the Palestinians left willingly, following the orders of the five invading Arab armies that were attempting to conduct genocide against the Jews. </p>
<p>These Palestinians expected to return in a few weeks time, after their brothers have exterminated the Jewish presence. </p>
<p>If that was the case, then no horrendous crimes have been committed in the name of the Jewish state. </p>
<p>Are you a historian? Maybe you could disprove this claim? </p>
<p>If you are not a historian, why are you so <i>assertive</i> about Jewish crimes? I wouldn&#039;t want to think that you have a predilection for blood libels against Jews. </p>
<p>I just hope you are not merely engaging in that vicious form of Christian anti-Semitism that maddened the Europeans up to the point of extinguishing their Jewish populations &#8211; and ending up with a Muslim Eurabia, that&#039;s poetic justice, as a Jewish friend of mine has noted. </p>
<p> <i>&quot;But not a peep of protest here against the sins of Zion.&quot;</i> </p>
<p>The amount of self-criticism of the Israelis and the Jews in general is unbelievable. </p>
<p>Even if it were not, they would definitely be excused, considering that such self-criticism is detrimental at times when the very existence of Israel is at stake &#8211; should i remind you that Iran is going for the bomb? </p>
<p> <i>&quot;It&#039;s Zionism that is creating anti-Semitism in the world.&quot;</i> </p>
<p>Anti-Semitism was present since ancient history, long before any Zionist movement was formed. </p>
<p><i> &quot;More and more they are marrying outside of their race and living their lives as assimilated Americans and not as a separate elite people&quot;</i> </p>
<p>Ah, the &quot;chosen people&quot; libel. </p>
<p>Jews understand this concept as an extra responsibility on them, i.e. a responsibility to behave so as to be moral examples. </p>
<p>They do not see it as a reason for showing-off. </p>
<p>But you, surely, see it as a reason to be jealous of them. </p>
<p><i>&quot;To all Jews, embrace your home country, which has given you more freedom and prosperity than you have ever known and reject Zionism!&quot;</i> </p>
<p>But the Jews are doing both: </p>
<p>Embracing America <i>and</i> supporting the existence of Israel. </p>
<p>These two are not mutually exclusive. </p>
<p>Why don&#039;t you recognize Israel&#039;s right to exist? </p>
<p><i>&quot; I am not anti-Semitic.&quot;</i> </p>
<p>I&#039;d love to believe you, but, after all the above anti-Semitic tropes that you reproduced, i find it hard to believe it. </p>
<p>If the way you interpret you religiosity leads you to such Jew-hating, i would suggest you become an atheist, like myself. </p>
<p>Jealousy (and the attendant wish to see the envied one as morally inferior) is a terrible emotion. </p>
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		<title>By: Alice</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ I have been reading this web site for years and I have noticed the same pattern with many American conservative Jews in relation to world politics. It&#039;s great that many American Jews and former leftists like David Horowitz and others have turned against the destructive liberalism of the last 40 years or so. They are to be commended for repudiating leftism and fighting the right side of the culture wars in the USA.  They have all broken away from the old Jewish leftism that used to be so prevalent and still is in Hollywood and the media. 
Yet on the Israel issue you all remain arch-Zionists in spite of the horrendous crimes committed in the name of the Jewish state. I am not anti-Semitic. But not a peep of protest here against the sins of Zion.   It&#039;s Zionism that is creating anti-Semitism in the world. As time goes on fewer and fewer Jews associate with Zionism and are amalgamating more and more here in America, the great  &quot;melting pot.&quot;  More and more they are marrying outside of their race and living their lives as assimilated Americans and not as a separate elite people. More and more are becoming Christians.  This trend is inexorable. To all Jews, embrace your home country, which has given you more freedom and prosperity than you have ever known and reject Zionism!  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I have been reading this web site for years and I have noticed the same pattern with many American conservative Jews in relation to world politics. It&#039;s great that many American Jews and former leftists like David Horowitz and others have turned against the destructive liberalism of the last 40 years or so. They are to be commended for repudiating leftism and fighting the right side of the culture wars in the USA.  They have all broken away from the old Jewish leftism that used to be so prevalent and still is in Hollywood and the media.<br />
Yet on the Israel issue you all remain arch-Zionists in spite of the horrendous crimes committed in the name of the Jewish state. I am not anti-Semitic. But not a peep of protest here against the sins of Zion.   It&#039;s Zionism that is creating anti-Semitism in the world. As time goes on fewer and fewer Jews associate with Zionism and are amalgamating more and more here in America, the great  &quot;melting pot.&quot;  More and more they are marrying outside of their race and living their lives as assimilated Americans and not as a separate elite people. More and more are becoming Christians.  This trend is inexorable. To all Jews, embrace your home country, which has given you more freedom and prosperity than you have ever known and reject Zionism!  </p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 04:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;So Israeli and Americqan leftists, prostitute Europe, Islamo-Nazi and the UN are all evil and right-wingnuts isreali and Neoc-cons are righteous one?. Do you realize that Isreal wouldn&#039;t be legitimate if it were not for UN recognition and the help of &quot;prostitute Europe&quot;, particulary GB, because otherwise the establishment of Isreal is neither morally, historically or culturally legitimate. &quot; 
 
Another crackerjack. 
 
&quot;Morally illegitimate because it displaced the indigenous people and was created on blood of millions of innocent jews.&quot; 
 
 
BS. The Germans and Arab Muslims shed the blood. EVENTUALLY, the Jews offended anti-Semites by defending themselves on occasion. Oh my. 
 
&quot;Just consider this quote from Isreal first president Ben Gurion in December 1938, &quot;If I knew it was possible to save all the children in Germany by taking them to England, and only half of the children by taking them to Eretz Israel, I would choose the second solution.&#194; For we must take into account not only the lives of these children but also the history of the people of Israel&quot;, which they evidently did when they refused the offer to transfer &quot;prostitute European jews&#039; to Dominican Republic , Kenya or Madgascar.&quot; 
 
Do I dare asking you if there is a point to your silly rant? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;So Israeli and Americqan leftists, prostitute Europe, Islamo-Nazi and the UN are all evil and right-wingnuts isreali and Neoc-cons are righteous one?. Do you realize that Isreal wouldn&#039;t be legitimate if it were not for UN recognition and the help of &quot;prostitute Europe&quot;, particulary GB, because otherwise the establishment of Isreal is neither morally, historically or culturally legitimate. &quot; </p>
<p>Another crackerjack. </p>
<p>&quot;Morally illegitimate because it displaced the indigenous people and was created on blood of millions of innocent jews.&quot; </p>
<p>BS. The Germans and Arab Muslims shed the blood. EVENTUALLY, the Jews offended anti-Semites by defending themselves on occasion. Oh my. </p>
<p>&quot;Just consider this quote from Isreal first president Ben Gurion in December 1938, &quot;If I knew it was possible to save all the children in Germany by taking them to England, and only half of the children by taking them to Eretz Israel, I would choose the second solution.&Acirc; For we must take into account not only the lives of these children but also the history of the people of Israel&quot;, which they evidently did when they refused the offer to transfer &quot;prostitute European jews&#039; to Dominican Republic , Kenya or Madgascar.&quot; </p>
<p>Do I dare asking you if there is a point to your silly rant? </p>
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		<title>By: Mary Sue</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 03:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[as far as I can tell Jack-On-Crack is a separate entity from Shlockmotion and his alts. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as far as I can tell Jack-On-Crack is a separate entity from Shlockmotion and his alts. </p>
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		<title>By: Mary Sue</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 03:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[that also comes as 0 surprise :) ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that also comes as 0 surprise <img src="http://cdn.frontpagemag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" />  </p>
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		<title>By: geula</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 22:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only way to know why Europeans have remained so anti-semitic will be when the West is no longer dependent on Arab oil or it runs out. And that&#039;s a long time from now. Will then Europe feel so obsessed with continuing to beat the Jew?  
 
Even without the oil influence, Arabs are simply such a huge demographic group. Occam&#039;s razor would  indicate that the likeliest explanation is the fear of the Arabs themselves, the barbaric hordes, combined with the West desire for cultural extinction. It is here that I would locate the &quot;masochist&quot; party.  
 
The result is political correctness. Another factor is the millenial  memory - by now perhaps genetic - of abusing the Jew .  But the root cause remains the Arab racist hatred itself. This is a hatred based on the Quran, in identityat the most primitive level,  and Islam&#039;s penchant for usurpation, religious , cultural and political. The very many African nations at the UN vote as a pro-Arab block.  
 
Arabs/Muslims will not stop hating Jews and Israel. The only thing one can realistically wish is that the civilized world comes to a point of true independence , where the Arabs don&#039;t matter anymore. As they should not. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only way to know why Europeans have remained so anti-semitic will be when the West is no longer dependent on Arab oil or it runs out. And that&#039;s a long time from now. Will then Europe feel so obsessed with continuing to beat the Jew?  </p>
<p>Even without the oil influence, Arabs are simply such a huge demographic group. Occam&#039;s razor would  indicate that the likeliest explanation is the fear of the Arabs themselves, the barbaric hordes, combined with the West desire for cultural extinction. It is here that I would locate the &quot;masochist&quot; party.  </p>
<p>The result is political correctness. Another factor is the millenial  memory &#8211; by now perhaps genetic &#8211; of abusing the Jew .  But the root cause remains the Arab racist hatred itself. This is a hatred based on the Quran, in identityat the most primitive level,  and Islam&#039;s penchant for usurpation, religious , cultural and political. The very many African nations at the UN vote as a pro-Arab block.  </p>
<p>Arabs/Muslims will not stop hating Jews and Israel. The only thing one can realistically wish is that the civilized world comes to a point of true independence , where the Arabs don&#039;t matter anymore. As they should not. </p>
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		<title>By: dionissismitropoulos</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mary Sue  
 
&lt;i&gt;&quot;Palestinians are freer in Israel (NOT Gaza, where their own dictators screw them over) than they are anywhere else in that corner of the world.&quot; &lt;/i&gt; 
 
Mary Sue, not just more free, better educated too! 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://elderofziyon.blogspot.gr/2012/12/israeli-arab-students-score-higher-in.html?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=Feed:+blogspot/PDbq+%28Elder+of+Ziyon%29&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://elderofziyon.blogspot.gr/2012/12/israeli-a...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
 
Israeli Arab students score higher in tests than those from every Arab country. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary Sue  </p>
<p><i>&quot;Palestinians are freer in Israel (NOT Gaza, where their own dictators screw them over) than they are anywhere else in that corner of the world.&quot; </i> </p>
<p>Mary Sue, not just more free, better educated too!<br />
  <a href="http://elderofziyon.blogspot.gr/2012/12/israeli-arab-students-score-higher-in.html?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=Feed:+blogspot/PDbq+%28Elder+of+Ziyon%29" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://elderofziyon.blogspot.gr/2012/12/israeli-a" rel="nofollow">http://elderofziyon.blogspot.gr/2012/12/israeli-a</a>&#8230; </p>
<p>Israeli Arab students score higher in tests than those from every Arab country. </p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 10:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dismantling the UN is a reasonably good idea, but it will not happen unless the US administration decides to cancel its own membership and expel the Organization from its sovereign territory. Israel would be ill-advised to set the precedent, as it is still a very small country, with much at stake in the less-political UN institutions such as the FAO, WHO, and so on. Instead, an international body consisting exclusively of proven democracies and human rights-minded developing countries (yes, they exist.) could be founded, e.g. based on the OECD, with the goal of pooling aid monies and allocating them to worthy, accountable and future-oriented goals. The tyranny and corruption-ridden UN would then be allowed to fade into irrelevance. Is this anything realistic to hope for with the current US administration? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dismantling the UN is a reasonably good idea, but it will not happen unless the US administration decides to cancel its own membership and expel the Organization from its sovereign territory. Israel would be ill-advised to set the precedent, as it is still a very small country, with much at stake in the less-political UN institutions such as the FAO, WHO, and so on. Instead, an international body consisting exclusively of proven democracies and human rights-minded developing countries (yes, they exist.) could be founded, e.g. based on the OECD, with the goal of pooling aid monies and allocating them to worthy, accountable and future-oriented goals. The tyranny and corruption-ridden UN would then be allowed to fade into irrelevance. Is this anything realistic to hope for with the current US administration? </p>
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		<title>By: ageorgio84</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ageorgio84]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 06:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So Israeli and Americqan leftists, prostitute Europe, Islamo-Nazi and the UN are all evil and right-wingnuts isreali and Neoc-cons are righteous one?. Do you realize that Isreal wouldn&#039;t be legitimate if it were not for UN recognition and the help of &quot;prostitute Europe&quot;, particulary GB, because otherwise the establishment of Isreal is neither morally, historically or culturally legitimate. Morally illegitimate because it displaced the indigenous people and was created on blood of millions of innocent jews. Just consider this quote  from Isreal first president Ben Gurion in December 1938, &quot;If I knew it was possible to save all the children in Germany by taking them to England, and only half of the children by taking them to Eretz Israel, I would choose the second solution.&#194;  For we must take into account not only the lives of these children but also the history of the people of Israel&quot;, which they evidently did when they refused the offer to transfer &quot;prostitute European jews&#039; to Dominican Republic , Kenya or Madgascar.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Israeli and Americqan leftists, prostitute Europe, Islamo-Nazi and the UN are all evil and right-wingnuts isreali and Neoc-cons are righteous one?. Do you realize that Isreal wouldn&#039;t be legitimate if it were not for UN recognition and the help of &quot;prostitute Europe&quot;, particulary GB, because otherwise the establishment of Isreal is neither morally, historically or culturally legitimate. Morally illegitimate because it displaced the indigenous people and was created on blood of millions of innocent jews. Just consider this quote  from Isreal first president Ben Gurion in December 1938, &quot;If I knew it was possible to save all the children in Germany by taking them to England, and only half of the children by taking them to Eretz Israel, I would choose the second solution.&Acirc;  For we must take into account not only the lives of these children but also the history of the people of Israel&quot;, which they evidently did when they refused the offer to transfer &quot;prostitute European jews&#039; to Dominican Republic , Kenya or Madgascar.  </p>
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		<title>By: Drakken</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/aaron-shuster/israels-role-and-the-way-forward/comment-page-1/#comment-4023717</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drakken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 04:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only way Israel can get out of this sadomastic nightmare is by quit worrying about world opinion and start going back to the old ways of fighting wars. Complete and total war against the muslim aggressor with Carthage as a goal, and Shermans March in action. Until then, give the effing muslims an inch, and they will take your life. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only way Israel can get out of this sadomastic nightmare is by quit worrying about world opinion and start going back to the old ways of fighting wars. Complete and total war against the muslim aggressor with Carthage as a goal, and Shermans March in action. Until then, give the effing muslims an inch, and they will take your life. </p>
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		<title>By: Drakken</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drakken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 04:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your fight is not with the Vatican my friend, it is with the muslims, and once you put those savages to the sword, everybody else with take note. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your fight is not with the Vatican my friend, it is with the muslims, and once you put those savages to the sword, everybody else with take note. </p>
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		<title>By: Drakken</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drakken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 04:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you love those effing islamic savages so much, put your money where your jihadist loving mouth is and move there. Darwin awaits!  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you love those effing islamic savages so much, put your money where your jihadist loving mouth is and move there. Darwin awaits!  </p>
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		<title>By: WilliamJamesWard</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/aaron-shuster/israels-role-and-the-way-forward/comment-page-1/#comment-4023642</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WilliamJamesWard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 03:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is it that the Israeli Government knows that the final battle will be cataclysmic and the death  
tolls overwhelming and to high a price even for peace, I wonder. The advance of evil against  
Jerusalem and all of Israel will draw all supporters of Israel into the fire and the outcome  
is for Jerusalem to be the Eternal City of God and His People Israel who will last forever.  
The expansion of Israel&#039;s borders will be Biblical...................William ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it that the Israeli Government knows that the final battle will be cataclysmic and the death<br />
tolls overwhelming and to high a price even for peace, I wonder. The advance of evil against<br />
Jerusalem and all of Israel will draw all supporters of Israel into the fire and the outcome<br />
is for Jerusalem to be the Eternal City of God and His People Israel who will last forever.<br />
The expansion of Israel&#039;s borders will be Biblical&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.William </p>
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		<title>By: Scorpio</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/aaron-shuster/israels-role-and-the-way-forward/comment-page-1/#comment-4023609</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scorpio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 03:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article, Mr. Shuster. Yes, indeed, the time has come for Israel to stop &quot;playing along&quot; with the UN and allowing herself to be beaten up by all those 138 (more?) nations who supported &quot;Palestinian&quot; application for &quot;nationhood.&quot; The time has come to stop this painful charade and send those evil-doers and pretenders back home to their flee-infested./ The time has come to stop pretending that the lie is the truth, so as not to hurt the villains&#039; feelings.  
Let them be gone so that Israel can regain dignity and live on its own real reputation of accomplishment and true glory. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, Mr. Shuster. Yes, indeed, the time has come for Israel to stop &quot;playing along&quot; with the UN and allowing herself to be beaten up by all those 138 (more?) nations who supported &quot;Palestinian&quot; application for &quot;nationhood.&quot; The time has come to stop this painful charade and send those evil-doers and pretenders back home to their flee-infested./ The time has come to stop pretending that the lie is the truth, so as not to hurt the villains&#039; feelings.<br />
Let them be gone so that Israel can regain dignity and live on its own real reputation of accomplishment and true glory. </p>
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		<title>By: henach</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[henach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 02:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Jewish people have a historical, legal, religious, moral, and self-defense right to live in the Jewish national homeland. Israel should not be embarrassed to explain those rights to all who would listen, starting with Israelis across the entire political spectrum, and from there to the entire Jewish people in the world.A good starting point in doing this would be for the Netanyahu government to accept, endorse fully, explain and teach the Levy Report to all who would listen. It is not necessary to leave the UN to get a wider audience. A podium at the UN can be used to expand the audience. Just be able to say &quot;no&quot; to international efforts to treat Israel the way Czechoslovakia was treated at Munich. With internal unity in Israel, there is a better capacity for resistance. There is no excuse for not teaching Israelis their national rights. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Jewish people have a historical, legal, religious, moral, and self-defense right to live in the Jewish national homeland. Israel should not be embarrassed to explain those rights to all who would listen, starting with Israelis across the entire political spectrum, and from there to the entire Jewish people in the world.A good starting point in doing this would be for the Netanyahu government to accept, endorse fully, explain and teach the Levy Report to all who would listen. It is not necessary to leave the UN to get a wider audience. A podium at the UN can be used to expand the audience. Just be able to say &quot;no&quot; to international efforts to treat Israel the way Czechoslovakia was treated at Munich. With internal unity in Israel, there is a better capacity for resistance. There is no excuse for not teaching Israelis their national rights. </p>
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		<title>By: JacksonPearson</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/aaron-shuster/israels-role-and-the-way-forward/comment-page-1/#comment-4022982</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JacksonPearson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 23:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yur skull still has a big gap: 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://i19.tinypic.com/4ztcv9z.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://i19.tinypic.com/4ztcv9z.jpg&lt;/a&gt; ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yur skull still has a big gap:<br />
  <a href="http://i19.tinypic.com/4ztcv9z.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://i19.tinypic.com/4ztcv9z.jpg</a> </p>
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		<title>By: Ghostwriter</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/aaron-shuster/israels-role-and-the-way-forward/comment-page-1/#comment-4022874</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ghostwriter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry,crackerjack. The Israelis aren&#039;t going anywhere. You,on the other hand,are a filthy anti-semitic blowhard with the brain the size of a pea. 
 ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry,crackerjack. The Israelis aren&#039;t going anywhere. You,on the other hand,are a filthy anti-semitic blowhard with the brain the size of a pea. </p>
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		<title>By: HoR_Emperor</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/aaron-shuster/israels-role-and-the-way-forward/comment-page-1/#comment-4022637</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HoR_Emperor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Schlomotion? That you?  
 
Or are you just another random anti-Semitic crackpot? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Schlomotion? That you?  </p>
<p>Or are you just another random anti-Semitic crackpot? </p>
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		<title>By: Mary Sue</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/aaron-shuster/israels-role-and-the-way-forward/comment-page-1/#comment-4022581</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Sue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 20:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hey, Jack-on-crack.  The Palestinians wouldn&#039;t know freedom if it bit them in the behind.  Palestinians are freer in Israel (NOT Gaza, where their own dictators screw them over) than they are anywhere else in that corner of the world. 
 
Obummer doesn&#039;t support Israel as much as you think he does.  It&#039;s mostly lip service. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey, Jack-on-crack.  The Palestinians wouldn&#039;t know freedom if it bit them in the behind.  Palestinians are freer in Israel (NOT Gaza, where their own dictators screw them over) than they are anywhere else in that corner of the world. </p>
<p>Obummer doesn&#039;t support Israel as much as you think he does.  It&#039;s mostly lip service. </p>
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