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GA: It amazed me that in the video when the police were talking to you they said, “Somebody could get hurt” and then added, “you are already bleeding.” You were already bleeding from the head and he said, “For the safety of the crowd you have to leave.”
RI: You are right. The officers come up and tell us that we were going to get hurt, so basically he knew what was going on. The problem was, these sheriffs walked away from a crime scene. They purposely walked away from a crime scene. What you don’t see on the video is the other fellow in charge, he’s the sheriff, he is a Muslim, he is a known Muslim, and he allowed his faith to dictate the rules of the land. He hated us from last year and just wanted us to leave and didn’t have much to do with us.
GA: Were there occasions while you were being pelted that you could see police and they didn’t do anything?
RI: All we saw was they came by, looked a bit and then they all walked away. At one point we actually tried to follow them and you can hear the items hitting the vinyl banners. We were walking behind the police and they were just walking away from us, and they purposely walked away.
Somebody made the call within that sheriff’s department to leave us alone, let the crowd have their way. We know that the sheriff’s department had people filming us and I think they were hoping that we were going to fight back. We’re labeled “bullies,” we’re labeled “provocative” and we did none of the above. We just went there with some signs and conceded to everything the police wanted.
GA: Did the police at any time help you?
RI: No. The only time they came up to me was to tell me to go and when I asked for officers to be around us, they said, “That’s not going to happen” and they walked away. They made it very clear they were not going to be involved.
GA: At the end of the edited video it shows you getting pulled over. What happened there?
RI: What we did for our own safety — and I talked to the Dearborn Police — once you leave the festival you now are in the jurisdiction of the Dearborn Police, not the Wayne County Sheriff’s Department. I told the Dearborn officer, we are coming in a white van down this alley and we have no license plate. Once we go up a block, we will put the plate back on. Its only for security purposes. He said, “Hey, no problem, I understand.” Well, the Dearborn Police understand, but the Wayne County Sheriff did not.
So the sheriff’s department cut in front of us and had several cars behind us, and it’s almost like they wanted to find something with us, and they cited the driver for not having a plate. They cited him for no plate even though he put the plate back on in front of them and the sheriff’s department confiscated his driver’s license and said, “When you get this all taken care of then we’ll send you your driver’s license.”
GA: When the Wayne County Sheriff’s Department pulled you over there were at least 14 officers there, but they couldn’t spare 2 for your safety while you were at the festival?
RI: Actually there were more. By the time we left more police had shown up, mounted police, police on bikes, police on foot, there were a lot. It was almost as if there was an “officer down” put out on the radio with the amount that had shown up. It was unique.
Like you said, at the festival they couldn’t spare 2 officers, but when we left they got 14 there easy. They knew we were coming. They had plenty of notice and yet they said that they weren’t prepared.
I don’t know where they were, but you couldn’t miss the noise of the angry crowd, the banging, the thumping. Let me tell you, some of the bottles that missed us were hitting windows and buildings and there were other people that were being pelted and being hit in the face as well, and there was a lot of noise happening, and for the police not to hear it something is terribly wrong.
GA: Now give me the exclusive; what happened on Sunday?
RI: We were at the Arab fest on Friday. On Sunday we went to the mosque in Dearborn.
GA: Were you on mosque property or out on the side walk?
RI: What mosque doesn’t have a sidewalk, but we stood by the street where the side walk would be. Of course the Dearborn Police showed up instantly. We were able to use our megaphone. We were able to fly our banners and there was no problem. The officers said everything was fine and we’re doing good. There were 2 squad cars and they flanked us just to make sure we were safe. Some of the Muslims came out and were screaming at us and we yelled back and forth and we did not go on their property, and according to police it was fine.
Unfortunately, one of the Muslims got in his SUV, drove up over the hill, accelerated and came right at us where we were standing. This guy came directly at us and we had to jump out of the way and he came screaming by us. Both of the police cars stopped him, pulled him out and cuffed him and he showed no remorse. The police actually have it on video because both police cars had there dash cameras on, so it’s not like it’s my word against his.
Then mosque security came out and said that they knew this guy and that we provoked him and the Dearborn Police officer yelled at the security guard and told him if he didn’t back off he would also be arrested for hindering a police investigation.
GA: Did the guy in the SUV pull over or was he forced to?
RI: They had to block him in. Once he was on the street they were headed his way and he was blocked in. They threw him against the car, cuffed him, frisked him, checked his car and again. It’s not like we can make this up. He is now officially charged with 9 counts of attempted murder.
GA: This never hit the news, not even in Dearborn?
RI: No, of course not, but if I had attempted to run down a Muslim that would be the head news on CNN, CBS, NBC, but when a Muslim wants to take out 9 Christians. We were the visiting team. This guy may walk; he has the potential to walk. At the very best they may take away his library card for a few weeks, but he’s out on bail. He’s out on high-dollar bail and from what I was told by the detective in charge, he does have a high-dollar attorney, so he’s not going to go down easy. He’s going to fight this thing.
GA: Did you have the pig head with you at the mosque as well?
RI: No we didn’t, because we didn’t know what to expect out there. But, my recommendation for anybody visiting Dearborn, Michigan is to bring your passport and a pig’s head.
GA: So the day you almost got run down, seriously injured, maimed or killed you didn’t even have the pig head with you?
RI: That’s right.
GA: That’s huge. That says something right there, because I know a lot of people who would have said, “A pig head in front of a mosque,” but you didn’t even have it with you that day. When is this supposed to go to court?
RI: We are supposed to go back to Dearborn on August 2 to get all the witnesses and everything in order, meet with the prosecutor and get everything on record. You get a city that’s turned over by this religion and you’ve turned a monster into a giant and that’s what Dearborn is. When they rule a city you see a different side of this religion. It’s not a religion of peace. They would have killed us had it not been for all the cameras we had, so all they could do was just stone us.
GA: The video cameras are for your protection.
RI: That’s right; our legal counsel has told us on free speech matters to video tape. Video cameras don’t lie. Video cameras are not biased. Video cameras are not going to persuade anybody, they just simply show you exactly what happened. Police use video cameras to protect their own rear end. People will lie even when in court, but the video camera is not going to lie.
GA: Any closing thoughts?
RI: The Dearborn Police department was excellent compared to the Wayne County Sheriff’s Department.
Another point Ruben observed was:
“With all the cameras that were there, between the news, the police and the cell phones of the citizens, if we had done one thing, anything, if I had even scratched my butt, you know that would be all over the news and YouTube.”
Say what you want about Ruben Israel, his group or his tactics. You may not agree with the things he said at the festival, but it was nothing that I haven’t said on my radio show or in my articles.
The so-called “antagonizing” that Ruben engaged in consisted of statements like “Islam is a lie,” “The Prophet Mohammed was a pedophile,” and “Your religion is a religion of hate.” Bad things to say to a crowd of Muslims, perhaps, but all arguably true statements and statements that citizens of this country have a right to say.
I can only put this into my own perspective and I keep coming back to Skokie, Illinois in 1976. The Nazi party as part of the Nationalist Socialist party wanted to have a march in Skokie. Skokie had a population at the time of 69,000 people of whom 40,000 were Jewish. After a two-year battle for the Nazi’s First Amendment rights to speak and to assemble involving the ACLU, the Illinois Supreme Court and the United States Court of appeals, they were permitted to march through Marquette Park, Illinois and called off the Skokie march. On June 20, 1978 a handful of Nazis showed up for the demonstration. Far outnumbered by opponents, they completed their march, and left under police protection.
The bottom line is this: the police were there to protect the Nazis and made sure they were escorted out of the area safely.
Nothing that Ruben and his group, the Bible Believers, did gave anyone the right to throw things or physically attack them. Last time I checked this is still the United States of America and what Ruben and his group did is still under the rubric of freedom of speech — and what the Muslims did was assault with intent to do bodily harm.
If Ruben and his group said and did the same things at a church, no one would have said it was wrong. Why all of a sudden does that change because they were in an area that has a large Muslim population? It doesn’t. The law is the law and our rights are still our rights. Currently, Dearborn is only 46% Muslim and by the way, they were at the Arab International Festival not a Muslim Festival. As I have explained before, 80 percent of Arabic-speaking people in the U.S. are not Muslim.
This video may be the best thing to happen for people in this country to finally wake up and see the truth about the real nature of Islam.
Gadi Adelman is a freelance writer and lecturer on the history of terrorism and counterterrorism. He grew up in Israel, studying terrorism and Islam for 35 years after surviving a terrorist bomb in Jerusalem in which 7 children were killed. Since returning to the U. S., Gadi teaches and lectures to law enforcement agencies as well as high schools and colleges. He can be heard every Thursday night at 8PM est. on his own radio show “America Akbar” on Blog Talk Radio. He can be reached through his website gadiadelman.com.
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