Turkey PM Pushes International Blasphemy Laws

Andrew E. Harrod is a freelance researcher and writer who holds a PhD from the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy and a JD from George Washington University Law School. He is a fellow with the Lawfare Project, an organization combating the misuse of human rights law against Western societies. You may follow Harrod on twitter at @AEHarrod.


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The Turkish English-language publication Today’s Zaman has just recently reported on its website the comments of Turkey’s Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan concerning the implications of the Internet trailer for the movie Innocence of Muslims for free speech. The statements from the elected leader of an important North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) member are an alarm bell for anyone concerned about the increasing threats to freedom of speech from various Muslim quarters around the world.

Speaking on September 16, 2012, during a visit to Sarajevo, Bosnia, Erdoğan noted that he is the “prime minister of a nation, of which most are Muslims and that has declared anti-Semitism a crime against humanity [No word yet on whether Turkey has declared the Ottoman Empire’s 1915 Armenian genocide a crime against humanity]. But the West hasn’t recognized Islamophobia as a crime against humanity—it has encouraged it.” Erdoğan elaborated that “Freedom of thought and belief ends where the freedom of thought and belief of others start. You can say anything about your thoughts and beliefs, but you will have to stop when you are at the border of others’ freedoms.”

Erdoğan called for “international legal regulations against attacks on what people deem sacred, on religion” as well as “something in terms of domestic law.”  Stating that Turkish legislators will immediately seek to prohibit blasphemous remarks, Erdoğan proclaimed that “Turkey could be a leading example for the rest of the world on this.”  Erdoğan’s announced agenda, meanwhile, complements the longstanding efforts to prohibit “defamation of religion” by the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), an international body encompassing 56 majority-Muslim states (including Turkey) and the Palestinian Authority (PA) headed by Erdoğan’s Turkish compatriot, Secretary General Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu.

Erdoğan’s comments are fallacious and troubling for a number of different reasons.  To begin with, he equates opposition to people merely for their existence with a distinct identity (i.e. anti-Semitism) with opposition to an idea such as a belief in Islam, however important such an idea might be to those who identify with it.  Such thinking is a complete distortion of the word “prejudice.”  While any aversion or hostility to people merely because of their ancestry or appearance qualifies as a prejudice, criticism of a belief system such as Islam on the basis of objective analysis is the precise opposite of a prejudgment.  In line with the tenor of Erdoğan’s comments, he refers to “Islamophobia,” an increasingly accepted term that, as critical research has revealed, originated in the 1990s amongst Muslim Brotherhood satellite groups as a tool to silence all criticism of Islam as a new totalitarian thought crime.

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  • Chezwick

    To be sure, one can imagine a decade from now, the thought police using electronic "finger prints" to prosecute people such as ourselves for words we write on-line today. Of course, it'll be a completely different world then, and the "wild West" days of the internet will be a distant memory. We have so much to look forward to.

    Well, screw them! I'll go down swinging! I'll call a spade a spade….and a prophet who was a pedophile (Aisha), a genocidal, mass murderer (the Banu Quraysha tribe), a thief and a liar….according to Islam's OWN SCRIPTURE!!!

    At least for now, we can still dare utter the truth.

    • Kufar Dawg

      I agree with Chezwick, If it does come to pass that any and all criticism of islam is outlawed, I can't imagine the ex-post facto paradigm of English common law being kept as well. Maybe we'll see gulags being established for the "protection" of those who criticise islam or the junta that constitutes the current presidency. Or maybe the DOJ will just begin extraditing those wanted for crimes against islam to face islamic "justice" in islamofascist states.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        I've never imagined I would ever take up arms in the USA. I can now imagine it.

        • Kufar Dawg

          Ditto. But really, if the current presidential regime violates our Constitutional rights then really I owe them no loyalty, because that the oath that bastage took to uphold when he took office was to defend the U.S. Constitution not to subvert it to the dictates of sharia.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "if the current presidential regime violates our Constitutional rights then really I owe them no loyalty, because that the oath that bastage took to uphold when he took office was to defend the U.S. Constitution not to subvert it to the dictates of sharia."

            Exactly.

            The thing is that I would never take up arms at this point with an election so close, even of Obama announced new executive orders suspending the constitution as long as it was clear the election was still on. In other words, the USA has a robust set of legal alternatives to fight tyranny.

            If he entered in to agreements to limit free speech and then won the election, I would carefully monitor the legal fight against him. At some point if it looked to get too dangerous, which I can imagine from here since his handling of Libya and Egypt in particular, and the latest clear proof he doesn't get that he started this in Cairo in 2009 (or worse, that this is part of his plan to deflate US hegemony), then I can imagine in my mind of today taking up arms at some time in the future against the tyranny that has already started.

            I like to quote the statement that tyranny is the denial of complexity. That is true when you have the power to abuse your simplistic views. Obama is a tyrant who uses stupid simplistic explanations as cover for his abuse of power.

  • kafir4life

    Does anybody really give a rats behind (aka mohamat (sh*t and waffles) what muslims think?
    Is it because they don't like it whan anybody points out that mohamat (peanut butter under ham) shat the contents of the most hole terror guide the koran? Is it because mohamat is the most disgusting excuse of a human, so vile that the very utterance of the name mohamat brings bile into the throat? Is it because mohamat is a rapist and pedophile?
    allahu snackbar.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "Does anybody really give a rats behind (aka mohamat (sh*t and waffles) what muslims think? "

      Yes, I want to make sure they know we have no fear of offending them. They must be totally defeated, and they must KNOW they have been defeated.

  • oldtimer

    When I purchase a product, I always look at where it was made. A lot of jewelry is made in Turkey, I will not purchase anything from there or any other countries that are protesting the US.

    • Kufar Dawg

      I try to avoid patronizing any muslime businesses, which means I would rather walk or take a bus than take a taxi.

  • MikeWood

    “Freedom of thought and belief ends where the freedom of thought and belief of others start. You can say anything about your thoughts and beliefs, but you will have to stop when you are at the border of others’ freedoms.”

    This has to be one of the most absurd, illogical, garbled statements ever made by even a Muslim politician – and that's setting the bar very low.

    • Kufar Dawg

      It's interesting how islamofascism is all too frequently also Orwellian in nature.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        The Muslim Brotherhood paid careful attention to the Soviet propaganda war against the West and in particular against the USA.

  • Marty

    In islamic countries, copies of the Bible are regularly burned, christians murdered or forced to convert to islam, christian women serially raped, and churches vandalized. Should we in the United States assemble in mobs to riot and yell death to islam, firebomb mosques, overrun and destroy embassies of islamic states, and mistreat their diplomatic personnel? And expect an apology from islamic governments because they provoked our misbehavior by their very existence? Let these inbred fanatics at least try to be consistent about the blasphemy laws they want to inflict on free societies that cherish individual liberty and human dignity.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      It's that Surah 9 mandate thing.

      If you want to understand islam, you have to read what they teach.
      http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/9/

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "In islamic countries, copies of the Bible are regularly burned, christians murdered or forced to convert to islam, christian women serially raped, and churches vandalized."

      Um, they just did this all in the name of respecting religious feelings!

  • jemaasjr

    The thing about this stuff is that these Islamic mobs are really just acting out on a level that is no more complicated than a high school bully. The bully bullies because he wants submission. We fail to see it because in our modern pseudo-scientific world we label behavior we do not like with mental illness terminology. The truth is that the bully in high school is not mentally ill and he is not socially dysfunctional from the standpoint of himself and his buddies. (and bullies do commonly have buddies) What they are doing, actually, is creating a status system that is contrary to the adult imposed one and gives status to the big, pushy guy, the bully.

    Now if you are a little kid you are largely stuck with being bullied. But a bigger kid that can carry his own weight can deter the bully by threatening a fight. If you have been in a school that has 'unsupervised' time, this is fairly routine. Because we disapprove of bulling we again put an inaccurate label on it and call the bullies behavior cowardly. He may or may not be a coward, but that is not way he deters. He deters for perfectly sensible reason that he does not really want a fight. He wants to bully, and so why should he needlessly get in a fight when he picks on somebody who does not accommodate him? The answer is he should not and so he does not. Again perfectly reasonable.

    These Islamic mobs are no different. They are just bullies. It is the double meaning that goes with what Islam is. Islam is submission. First the Islamist submits to Allah, and then with Allah at his back, he enforces submission on others. First the women because they are easy and available. And then the neighbors if they are too weak to resist or too big a fool to threaten back.

    To sum it up, that is why the foreign policy of our apologist in chief is such a disaster. By submitting to Islam we are giving them what they want and so of course they come back for more. All perfectly sensible behavior if from your world view status enhancement can be had by forcing others to submit.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      You are of course correct, but talking over the heads of the leaders of this administration.

      • Kufar Dawg

        I don't think the current POTUS regime is at all dumb or naive, they're corrupt, amoral and rotten to the core. Who knows how many millions of petrodollars they have stashed in offshore bank accounts?

        • objectivefactsmatter

          They know more than they say, but they don't know the salient facts of history. They also don't understand how capitalism works.

          Most people do not know either. This administration is fully of people who talk down to everyone, thinking they are smarter than those who disagree. They don't fully explain their own thinking, which makes them look extremely stupid. I don't say they are that stupid. They are still not smart enough to find out what is needed because as I said, they think they already know and clearly they do not.

          Those who try to warn them are talking over their heads not because they are stupid, but because they are ignorant and arrogant. I don't believe they are geniuses that could fix these problems and know exactly how to, but refuse. That is silly. Liberals think that capitalism is inherently flawed and irredeemable. Try to teach them otherwise, and you'll be talking over their heads. It's the same with Islam.

          I know exactly what Obama thinks about Islam and his own leadership. He ignores the facts because he believes he can lead us to transcend the significance of history. He believes he has no need to learn more than he has already.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "Who knows how many millions of petrodollars they have stashed in offshore bank accounts?"

          Taking millions or more from a civilization that wants to destroy your own takes a kind of willful ignorance. This seems to have infected almost as many on the right among the present leaders as it has on the left.

          Only a few outstanding individuals have the courage to call Islam what it is. None of them are on the left, but the numbers on the right also indicates the depth of penetration. Petro-funding is at the root of our problems today because it has been the single biggest tool of the steal jihad, and that is why most Americans don't know the truth or anything close to it.

    • Sunbeam

      Jemaasir is absolutely right. He's right about everything Islam is. Islam is a big bully. The name itself "To submit", says so, so clearly. We must stop their aggression. We rather choose to go for a full fledged war with it than to submit under its repulsive rule. There can never be peace and happiness and justice under this Mad rule cloak in the name of religion. We must fight till the end, even if it were to take a whole lot of generations to accomplish our struggle. They must be stopped and be destroyed, or we be destroyed. Stand as we had never stand before. Brave yourself with all your might, and stand as a united force. Together, we might crush them and put them out.

  • Attile The Hun

    Erdoğan is nothing more dictator wannabe Putin Jr. My advice to him is instead of wasting your time with the west, turn your head to the south east and see what your Muslim brothers are doing to each other and to your countryman. . If Erdoğan believes his country will escape unharmed from the turmoil started in North Africa he is living in utopia. Turkey will be very very lucky if can celebrate its centennial(2023) in one piece

    • objectivefactsmatter

      Erdoğan has a lot in common with Obama, seeing himself as a Muslim messiah.

  • Schlomotion

    "Erdoğan’s comments are fallacious and troubling for a number of different reasons. To begin with, he equates opposition to people merely for their existence with a distinct identity (i.e. anti-Semitism) with opposition to an idea such as a belief in Islam"

    This is an example of trying to prove that Jews are more existential than Muslims.

    On the other points, Mr. Harrod makes sense. It would be a shame if anti-blasphemy laws were passed, and they would more likely be passed in Europe than in the United States. I posit that your right to punch someone in the nose ends far short of the nose, though, maybe somewhere like four feet away, the length of a blocking kick.

    • Kufar Dawg

      Your islamofascist brethren won't be stupid enough to pass islamic blasphemy laws here in the US, at least they won't call it that, it'll be a hate speech law, or a perversion of an incitement to riot law, but it will still have the same effect as a blasphemy law and smell of exactly the same excremental ideology that founds it.

    • Andrew E. Harrod

      Judaism encompasses not just religious beliefs, but also a people with their own national background, just like, say, Mexicans. Anti-Semitism, or racism for that matter, involves hostility towards certain people merely because they exist. Islam, though, is an idea subject to criticism just like any other idea. I do not see how this logic is faulty.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "This is an example of trying to prove that Jews are more existential than Muslims. "

      Please translate this statement completely in to English. All humans exist. People who don't exist can't be plotting to kill you.

      "I posit that your right to punch someone in the nose ends"

      Only a propagandist would equate speech with a violent act, even one as supposedly benign as a "punch in the nose." You have no right to punch anyone, anywhere, dirtbag. You have a right to say anything you want with few exceptions. Political speech and criticism are practically unlimited by law. This video could not possibly be construed as in violation of free speech according to US law. THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS.

  • Atlas_Collins

    How are muslims demanding the curtailment of free speech as regards Islam any different than jews demanding the curtailment of free speech as regards those who question the "Holocaust?"

    • Pontotoc Bill

      Simple. Islam is a religion that is accepted on faith.

      The Holocaust is factual history.

      • Kufar Dawg

        Bravo!

      • Atlas_Collins

        All details of history are always up for debate and question. This is the very essence of free inquiry. But for many, the very idea of questioning the official version of the Shoah amounts to — dare I say it — blasphemy, and in some countries people are dragged into court and fined and imprisoned for having the temerity to dare question the "received truth" of the "Holocaust."

        So, again I ask: What is the difference between muslims demanding laws against speech impugning the foundational mythology of Islam and jews demanding laws against speech impugning the foundational mythology of the Shoah?

        Hypocrisy is hypocrisy no matter its source.

        • Pontotoc Bill

          The Holocaust is not mythology, it is actual fact. Nazi documents and the word of Nazi SS soldiers prove it happened. Actual records of the Nazis allude to 5.1 million Jews being murdered by the so-called Master Race.

          Do you NOT understand the difference? Islam is founded on their holy book and the mythology of it. The Holocaust (Shoah) is actual fact, no mythology.

          Comments contrary to Islam are opinion, comments contrary to the holocaust are LIES. Lies are prosecutable under the law. Libel and Slander? Do you understand that distinction?

        • Lan Astaslem

          moron, you don't see Christians and Jews rioting, destroying and calling for the deaths of anyone who doesn't blindly follow their religions – there's a broadway show The Book of Mormon, that makes fun of that religion but you don't see the Mormons calling for the deaths of the writers. That behavior comes from savage, bloodthirsty 7th century neanderthals aka 'muslims'

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "All details of history are always up for debate and question. This is the very essence of free inquiry. But for many, the very idea of questioning the official version of the Shoah amounts to — dare I say it — blasphemy"

          No, not blasphemy at all. Debate and questioning are always acceptable. Lying is not. Lying about events that were used to incite mass murder and genocide can be seen as hateful and mortally dangerous given the history in the case of the Nazi genocide.

          I'm not in agreement that these lies should be outlawed because free speech is just too important. If anything is done to foment violence, it should be prosecuted based on existing laws and evidence offered according to normal standards for due process. We don't generally need specific laws for hate speech.

    • Ghostwriter

      Atlas_Collins,there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that the Holocaust DID occur. You have testimonies from survivors and perpetrators,plans for the death camps,testimonies from the soldiers that liberated the place,film evidence. To me,denying the Holocaust is akin to denying Mt. Everest exists,even when you're standing near it. You've become as bad as Schlockmotion when it comes to anti-Jewish nonsense.

      • Attila The Hun

        I'm a proud Jew and I oppose any Holocaust denial or hate crime legislation. The people who push those laws unintentionally giving ammunition not only to Islomo nazis , also to antisemites like Atlas_Colins. Let those morons show their hate by denying the truth.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "I'm a proud Jew and I oppose any Holocaust denial or hate crime legislation. The people who push those laws unintentionally giving ammunition not only to Islomo nazis , also to antisemites like Atlas_Colins. Let those morons show their hate by denying the truth."

          Most Jews who publish on the record on this seem to agree with you, as do I. I'm a gentile though.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "How are muslims demanding the curtailment of free speech as regards Islam any different than jews demanding the curtailment of free speech as regards those who question the "Holocaust?" "

      It's not about "questioning the Holocaust" but explicitly lying about it.

      In addition:

      1) Notice that few Jews are asking for this
      2) Even fewer are violent about it
      3) Those few that ask for limits are not doing so in the USA or asking to influence international law in any way
      4) Even the most extreme requests on the Holocaust wish to make it a crime to use lies about historical facts to attack Jews again, and foment violence. Jew haters use these lies about objective facts to foment violence.

      In contrast, Muslims lie and foment violence to curtail speech. In that sense, they are from opposite ends of the spectrum. Notice how Jewish victims of Muslim incitement and violence don't try to restrict their ability to call them apes, monkeys, Nazis etc. Even if they did that, they'd have more ground to stand on than the Muslims do, because the source of the religious violence is universally caused by Islamic ideology.

    • jemaasjr

      How are muslims demanding the curtailment of free speech as regards Islam any different than jews demanding the

      >>curtailment of free speech as regards those who question the "Holocaust?" – I am with you on this one. Governments have a way of stepping in after the fact and outlawing things that nobody wants to do anyway. And then when the worm turns the law or edict gets renounced or ignored. That is happening right now in Europe with the currently somewhat vague drift in the direction of antisemitism. All the law does is drive it a little further underground and that helps nothing. What the Europeans really need is a freedom of speech law that is non categorical.

  • John

    You bigoted people constantly insulting Muslims and Islam will have your day in the hereafter and will have to face up to your own actions and deeds in this world. You all heard of the saying: what goes around comes around. The world is always turning and history repeats itself. Look deep in your soul (if you have one) and reconcile with yourselves while you still can. When you die and we all will sooner or later, it will be too late for you to redeem yourself nor can anyone else protect you from the Hell Fire! Think about that moment for just one moment. Think about the deeds that you will take with you to your grave. Think about all the insults you directed to God worshiping Muslims and imagine how God will treat you for that. If you have not read anything about that in your scripture, then pick up a Quran (spelled with a Q not K) and read it. Maybe, just maybe, God will open your hearts and help you find the truth like many sincere truth-seeking people like Cat Stevens, Mohammed Ali, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Hamza Yusuf, and many many more descent truth seeking people like them who sought after the truth and found it. Think about, these are not dumb people that I just mentioned, they are very smart people who already money and fame and did not need to change their faith except that they were empty inside. They were shallow and needed to fill what was missing in their hearts and they found it. It was Islam. Good luck to you my fellow humans and brothers since we are all sons of Adam – remember – we are all brothers.

    Love you all and God Bless!

    • Pontotoc Bill

      Smart people maybe, but they have fallen for the lies of Islam. Islam is a demonic religion that is in direct opposition to Judiasm and Christianity.

      The truth must be told and if it insults others, then that is their fault, not mine. Truth will open eyes to reality and facts, not mumbo-jumbo of Islam.

    • Kufar Dawg

      For a muslime to accuse anyone of bigotry is like a nazi accusing someone of being an antisemite.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "You bigoted people constantly insulting Muslims and Islam will have your day in the hereafter and will have to face up to your own actions and deeds in this world."

      You have a problem facing the truth? You must be Muslim.

      "You all heard of the saying: what goes around comes around."

      Who hasn't? How profound. Not.

      "The world is always turning and history repeats itself."

      Well, history can be repetitive to the harm of mankind, especially when we refuse to learn its lessons. You've learned nothing from the history of Islam.

      "Look deep in your soul (if you have one) and reconcile with yourselves while you still can."

      This discourse IS reconciliation you fool. Reconciliation is working out the facts.

      Imagine you know that Islam is a lie, and imagine millions of people have been killed over those lies. Now read again what was written by those you criticize here. Get it now?

    • jemaasjr

      Black Muslims in the United States are not orthodox. They are a potential or current ally of the rest of the Islam clan, but in any real merger of cultures, their particular behavior and belief system would not be accepted by the rest. Plus, while Islam is non inherently racist on a doctrine level, functionally it is. For example, the blacks in Libya that failed to leave in time were murdered during the recent revolution.

      • Kufar Dawg

        I agree with you on this. I believe the ban on alcohol in the Nation of Islam has somehow been explained away. There's no doubt the NOI wouldn't be allowed to exist in just about any muslime state.

    • Sunbeam

      We all know what Islam is. Islam is a counterfeit religion contrary to Biblical Christianity. Its teaching stems from one man whom he claimed himself to be a prophet of God. I challenge you to read and study the Bible, and you will understand that Islam is not a religion given by God. You're not being honest about this. Please do not be narrow minded.

  • Kufar Dawg

    Anti-semitism is a crime in Turkey eh? Then why was the longest sentence handed down to the muslimes responsible for the bombing of two synagogues that killed 26 people in Turkey a mere 6 years? Why is the sounding of the shofar in Turkey prohibited? Why do synagogues in Turkey more closely resemble fortresses than places of worship?

  • Kufar Dawg

    If antisemitism is banned in Turkey, how does Erdogan explain away the rabid, pervasive (there are MORE antisemitic verses in the trilogy of books that constitute islam than there are in Mein Kampf) antisemitism found in the hadeeth and koran of islam?

  • Ghostwriter

    I think people like Erdogan would love to find a way around the First Amendment and then find someone gullible enough to promote it here.

  • LindaRivera

    Turkish Prime Minister, Erdogan, explained that Muslim military command centers are called mosques:

    Erdogan: The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers…

  • LindaRivera

    Turkey and the other Muslim countries don't want non-Muslims to know they plot our conquest. They want to silence us with huge help from the Muslim sitting in the White Mosque and Hillary Clinton.

    MUSLIMS CALL THEIR MILITARY COMMAND CENTERS, MOSQUES:
    http://www.wnd.com
    40,000 Iran agents in Western Hemisphere
    Now hidden in Latin America, awaiting ‘operations’ against U.S.
    “We must get ready for global operation. … Our fellow fighters are present in all five continents of the world. … An international jihad must be provoked; we must fear no one.”

    The Revolutionary Guards’ intelligence division runs operations out of mosques.

    Those operations include recruitment, reconnaissance and transfer of arms and cash.

    This source also verified then that all Imam Ali Mosques are controlled by regime intelligence operatives and that the cells are well placed in Europe and America for terrorist acts… http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/army-of-iran-sadists-p

  • LindaRivera

    Our wonderful freedom and cherished human rights are given to us by Almighty God, our Wonderful, Glorious, Awesome Creator. Only humans filled with an all-consuming lust for absolute power and control over all humanity, seek to take away what our Magnificent God has given to us.

  • objectivefactsmatter

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/mar/29/turke

    "Erdoğan noted that he is the “prime minister of a nation, of which most are Muslims and that has declared anti-Semitism a crime against humanity"

    Given the success of Mein Kampf in Turkey, the denial of the Greek genocide and every other relevant indication I can think of, I somehow don't accept his statement at face value. Wait, what religion was he talking about? The religion of peace and truth?

  • Ted G

    Near as I can tell from the mouths of muslims themselves no less is that allah calls for my murder as an unbeliever, while God actually calls for love and forgiveness for all.

    So I have no problem saying that allah is not God, which then makes it very easy for me to think of you as very misguided and naive individual. Your argument sounds a bit pompous and condescending.

    I don't always try to get down in the weeds with everyone's different beliefs unless encouraged but how would you propose that I reconcile that?
    I have read the islamic trilogy, have you? I consider myself a clear thinker with a rational mind and a direct talker.
    So please be clear and rational with any response you might make.

    • Ted G

      I thought I hit reply to John I do not know why it didn't get posted correctly in response to John

      • JoJoJams

        It does that to me sometimes, too. That's if they don't censor me out, which has been happening a LOT lately for some reason – and if you've seen my posts, I don't go overboard ridiculous.

        • Kufar Dawg

          I've been censored too, for my part, I always deserved it.

  • jemaasjr

    Words never translate perfectly from one language to another. Because the Western cultural area has separated the state authorities from from religion to varying degrees, we use the word religionto reflect not only the belief in a god, but also with an expectation that it will not exercise secular authority. Both in doctrine and in function, Islam supports having a secular leader who can be overruled by a religious authority. Islam also encourages, indeed demands, self help or vigilantism among the followers in enforcing the will of the religious authority. That is where these violent mobs come from and why there is the enforcement of religious doctrine in countries that have secular leaders. And that outcome is their understanding of religion. Normal stuff from their viewpoint.

  • watsa46

    Muslims want to restrict the freedom of speech to Muslims ONLY.

  • john

    To hell with you & your ilk Mr. Erdo-bollox—–may you & your so-called untouchable fantasy-gods rot & burn…There is freedom of speech + if you want to be in Europe you have to come out of the Middle Ages !!

  • John II

    Why are Turks so superstitious—They still believe in warding off the "evil eye"…which is still a hot-selling product on key rings and ornaments—-.This backwardness in Islam & other superstitious practises is the key reason why Ataturk introduced secularism—-So –let's please keep all those retro-Neanderthal islamo-numpties out of poitics….The law should be based on empiricism not on some daft delusonal nonsense about invisible and imaginary beings !!!!