Obama’s Leaks and Their Catastrophic Consequences

Arnold Ahlert is a former NY Post op-ed columnist currently contributing to JewishWorldReview.com, HumanEvents.com and CanadaFreePress.com. He may be reached at atahlert@comcast.net.


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A bipartisan statement released by the top members of the Senate Intelligence Committee and the House Select Committee on Intelligence summed up the damage quite succinctly: “These disclosures have seriously interfered with ongoing intelligence programs and have put at jeopardy our intelligence capability to act in the future,” they wrote. “Each disclosure puts American lives at risk, makes it more difficult to recruit assets, strains the trust of our partners, and threatens imminent and irreparable damage to our national security in the face of urgent and rapidly adapting threats worldwide.”

Those comments were amplified by others. National Intelligence Director James Clapper characterized the leaks as the worst he has seen in his 30 year intelligence career. Sen. Feinstein noted that she had “been on the Intelligence Committee for 11 years, and I have never seen it worse.” House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers (R-MI) called the leaks “probably the most damaging” in this country’s history, further contending that someone is “going to lose their life. We’re going to have operations that will cease. We’ll have lost opportunities. All those things are going to happen.”

Regarding the demands for a special prosecutor, the Washington Post’s Marc A. Thiessen reveals why one is necessary. One of the attorneys appointed to investigate the leaks is Ronald Machen “who gave thousands of dollars to Obama’s first senate race and his presidential campaign, helped vet candidates for the vice presidential nomination, and called Obama a ‘legend’ in a 2010 Post profile.” Furthermore, both Machen and Rod Rosenstein, the U.S. attorney for the District of Maryland who is also assigned to the investigation, report to Eric Holder, who has been cited for contempt of Congress. Thus, the likelihood of a politically unbiased investigation is virtually nil.

The NY Post’s Michael Goodwin, who believes the investigation “smells like a fix,” further notes that the case “is not an open-ended whodunit. The motives are obvious and the potential suspects well known.” He explains that White House logs reflect who attended the various meetings where secret information was discussed. “Real prosecutors would put everybody under oath, before a grand jury, and ask away,” he contends. Goodwin also makes a telling observation. “Most important, nobody in the White House expressed an iota of outrage that so much classified material had been disclosed. It was only after public criticism that Obama felt compelled to say something,” he wrote in June, when the leaks were beginning to reach critical mass.

Financial Times columnist Edward Luce reveals the common theme behind the leaks. “In each case, the leaks presented Mr Obama as a tough but conscientious warrior who pulls the trigger frequently but reluctantly,” he writes. Peter King (R-NY), GOP chairman of the House homeland security panel agrees with that assessment, contending the president is using the leaks to “build up his reputation” before November.

Yet one thing that won’t be happening before November is any kind of resolution regarding these serious compromises of America’s national security. If there is one thing the public has already learned as a result of the Fast and Furious debacle it is that the DOJ is both capable and willing to stall any investigation that could potentially damage President Obama prior to the November election. Even a contempt of Congress citation for Attorney General Eric Holder has failed to move the needle on the 18-month investigation of guns being walked into Mexico. The deliberate slow-walking of the leak investigation will be just as obvious and just as unstoppable.

Thus, it behooves Mitt Romney to turn both the leaks and the investigation into a campaign issue. If he frames the issue properly, nothing is remotely defensible by the Obama administration or its media surrogates, other than to insist the president was an innocent victim of over-eager officials in his administration attempting to burnish the president’s terror-fighting credentials. That such over-eagerness has endangered the entire nation in the process, even as the investigation of the leaks languishes? Mitt Romney needs to continually reiterate the question posed by GOP senators demanding a special prosecutor back in June: Where is the outrage?

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  • John_Kelly

    Obama the new Benedict Arnold said "that it was “offensive” to suggest that anyone in his administration is purposely releasing classified information,"

    Who is this spineless, narcissistic clown trying to fool.

    America should have paid heed to his own treasonous words on Page 261 of Obama's book "The Audacity of Hope".

    When referring to the way Muslims were treated after 9-11 he said "“I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

    In just his first 18 months in the White House he made 35 MAJOR pro-Islamic moves starting on DAY ONE of his Presidency, January 20th 2009 when he appointed Quran reciting (whole 6,666 verses) , whizz kid, "Hafiz", Muslim Attorney Rashad Hassain to the White House.

    This Quran spouting pal of Obama is now the United States Ambassador to the Organization of the Islamic Conference, an international organization that is engaged in a full-scale campaign to intimidate Western governments into adopting hate speech codes that will effectively squash criticism of Islam including jihad violence perpetrated in its name.

    Guess what folks, Obama and the "Hafiz" have put their first big score on the board.

    April 2010 – The Obama administration requires rewriting of ALL government documents and a change in administration vocabulary to remove terms that are deemed offensive to Muslims, including jihad, jihadists, terrorists, radical Islamic, etc.

    Perhaps the Traitor in Chief could explain to "We The People" how a bunch of savages who delight in beheading, rape and slaughter can be offended by a few words.

    Obama's greatest act of hypocrisy was in July 2009 Obama made plans to prosecute CIA Agents for 911 interrogations…. despite the fact that Water-Boarding saved thousands of American lives.

    Perhaps Imam Barry forgot to tell us that the Quran not only justifies torture but COMMANDS TORTURE of the non-Muslims.

    Qur'an 9:5 …. FIGHT and KILL the DISBELIEVERS wherever you find them, take them captive, TORTURE them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

    Obama's whole time in office has been a non-stop parade of aiding and abetting America's enemies and the saddest part is not that America is being destroyed by Obama but that there are so few in Congress with the vision or guts to make a stand against this Deceiver in Chief.

    Thank God for the likes of Congressman Allen West and Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann and hopefully their courage and zeal will inspire many others to rise up and keep Obama constrained by the Constitution until he is voted out in November in the greatest political defeat in American history.

    • http://www.facebook.com/henry.thoreau.543 Henry Thoreau

      Benedict Arnold was once loyal to America. Obama has never been. Obama is the new Napoleon or Adolf Hitler. Both foreign born and both burned their Country to ash.

    • Asher

      Well said, and may I add that we have had Taqiyya used on us for the whole term of this President's regime. Taqiyya being active deceit which is doctrinally grounded in Islam and is often depicted as being equal–sometimes superior to other universal military virtues, such as courage, fortitude and self-sacrifice. These people will stoop at nothing to destroy Israel and America. Taqiyya is of fundamental importance in Islam..practically every Islamic sect agrees to it and practices….So how many lies has this President told the People???? Qur'anic verse 3:28 sanctions deception toward non-Muslims.

    • fiddler

      Be on guard against cheating to force a judicial battle. I heard that Soros et al are trying to take Allen West and Bachmann down. They need our support.

      • Jim_C

        I don't know the Dark Lord Soros's plans, but if it were up to me, I would let those two kooky kids keep yapping away–it's always good for democrats when they do.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          You can't show where they are wrong, so you just attack them personally.

          Do you get to lick soros's boots or are you that close yet?

      • mlcblog

        Sarah Paiin, the one who was able to bring the conervative message to the populace, has been effectively sidelined for ages now. Between Soros and Fox, it is hard not to despair. She got gobbled up by Fox, I say, with the likes of William Kristol and Carl Rove and Krauthammer, all establishment guys who have never been on the street that I can see.

        • Jim_C

          So to what do you attribute the party establishment's rejection of Sarah? How come someone who is so good at getting the message out has become persona non grata?

          Think about something: Ron Paul is a man with a real message (no, I'm not a Paul supporter but I do respect the guy). It's a message that runs contrary to the party establishment, partly because it is a real conservative message and not a corporatist message. The media doesn't pay him much attention. But he keeps plugging away, he keeps finding avenues, and his supporters are fierce. And he'll do what he does forever–because he has a message.

          Sarah had everything handed to her on the national stage. She's cute, she gave a nifty speech that one time. Then she quit her elected job to take the inevitable media offers. She has a gig with Fox. She spawned multiple reality TV programs. But her fan base has dwindled, she's clearly yesterday's news even in her own party. So what is her message? What has she done to get it out?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Sarah has not been a persona non grata in the party base.

            That's what matters, unlike the left we decide who we like, it's not handed down to us. And that's something the republican establishment better figure out fast before we fire them.

          • mlcblog

            Jealousy. Unfamiliarity with her. Fear. Possibly even a bit of misogeny. Lack of ability to identify with her strong message.

            It started long ago, with such big names as Carl Rove, Krauth, Kristol, and the lot. They had decided she wasn't going to play in their league and proceeded to bash her, belittle her, etc. , and speak with authority that she wasn't qualified. Fie! she had done more to impress me than the lot of them.

            People tend to forget or avoid the fact that SP has a formidable and stellar record in standing up to the Alaskan establishment corruptocrats. She brought tons of money into the pockets of Alaskans.

            Now of course people like Lisa Muckowski didn't like that and her fan base poured it on at all times, too, the same Alaskan power structure that Sarah had whupped.

            It is a power struggle and Yes, I see that SP could have been more Something…but I do feel she was absolutely not made welcome by the establishment Repubs even though McCain picked her. No wonder she remains loyal to him, to a fault, it seems.

            I for one hear Sarah's message loud and clear, and so do and did many, many of us. She speaks of an America we all long for and very articulately, swaying crowds as she goes. We could stand to review her speech at the convention that was so rousing of a previously dead audience. People started to get hope.

            That's all.

          • Jim_C

            That's a good explanation. You know, I get why people like her, personally. But I honestly don't get why they think she'd be qualified for the position she was placed in–especially after the campaign, when she quit the one thing you laud her for.

            This is anecdote: take it as you will; it doesn't necessarily prove anything.

            There's a great lady in our community–a Republican with a job in local government–who told me that a few years ago she was approached by state GOP leaders to run for governor.

            "Why? I don't know anything about being a governor."

            "Don't worry about that," they said. "We'll get you there." They explained they needed a good woman candidate and had heard good things about her.

            I mean, it probably happens more than we think, but I have a feeling it's sort of the same thing in Palin's case. And where the lady I know isn't that ambitious (and finds it amusing to have been asked), perhaps Palin is. She's obviously a "jump right in" sort. But that doesn't mean she's ready.

          • mlcblog

            I am done. Said all I care to say.

            Focusing elsewhere.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          The only reason we remember her is because she is one of us, she stands for the things we want and she values then to her core, unlike a normal politician.

          • mlcblog

            Thank you, Roger.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You're welcome. I started posting comments on this forum because I would longer let them tell me what I thought or why I thought it.

            For them to use Goebbels tactics on me, it's not going to work.

          • mlcblog

            I hear you. May I also suggest The Right Scoop and the Breitbart site http://www.breitbart.com and possibly The Blaze? All dot com, I think.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I started out on Breitbart, but the new comment system? I find it frustrating.
            The blaze? I don't watch TV but one of the last programs I did watch was Beck on Fox. When he left I did too.

            There is a small website you might like, http://www.navygentleman.com

          • mlcblog

            Thank you. Looks promising.

            I know what you mean. There is only so much time in one day.

          • mlcblog

            I used to watch the B Cast with Scott Baker. He is the man at The Blaze. Brilliant guy. Interesting. Conservative. I tried to switch but they kind of lost me. I am glad Glenn seems to be doing well with his new enterprises.

    • kasandra

      Hey, The Chosen One, said it was “offensive” to suggest that anyone in his administration is purposely releasing classified information. He didn't say it wasn't true. It's obvious here that he said something to the effect that "is is essential we get our story out there" (as in "Will nobody relieve me of this meddlesome priest?) and the deed was done by his servile retainers. This regime is simply one big ongoing scandal.

    • ★FALCON★

      These same leftists went nuts when it was revealed that McVeigh read the Turner Diaries.

      • ★FALCONS-MOM★

        I love you long time, 5 dolla.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          Which recycled troll are you? Do most of your other profiles have the word 'hero' in them?

          • Kevin Stowell

            Gotta admit…that was funny, in a retard sorta way.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, he's been hounding Falcon for a while, like hero does.

            What a little coward, hiding behind a nameless profile so no one realizes how little attention should be paid to it.

          • Kevin Stowell

            If not for cowardice, Leftards would have no distinguishable personality traits. Jus' sayin'.

            I tried to answer your post yesterday but "the force," for some reason, wouldn't let it happen.

          • ★FALCON★

            Front Page deletes / delays posts – they show up hours later Kev.

          • ★FALCON★

            if anyone knows about gayness it's you and your gloryhole.

          • ★FALCON★

            yeah, you never see a world class jack @$$ with a proper intense debate ID and for good reason – it would be destroyed faster than you can say furious.

            It takes a small person to sit in their mother's underwear and attack strangers on the net.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Oh look, your coward troll thumbed you down.

            I bet his handler must be so proud of his brave act of activism.
            I bet he'd be shocked at what real bravery means.

          • ★FALCON★

            To her – sticking "hero" on the end of your lastest screen name deserves a bravery badge and a ticker tape parade.

            You have to admit – it's beyond pathetic. What kind of a varmint gets a thrill outta driving by and thumbing down anyone who dares to post on the internet.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The same kind of varmint that would spit on returning soldiers at airports.

          • ★FALCON★

            You got that right. They're for supporting the soldiers but not the war. LOL

          • ★FALCONS-MOM★

            Son, bring home some rubbers and paper bags when your done picking up your medication. Mama's got 'em lining up!

          • ★FALCON★

            simmer down there crusty crater vag.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Well aren't we almost clever enough to be considered human.

            Not quite, but almost.

        • Jerry D.

          For 5 bucks I'm gonna tap that ass! YEEEEE HAAAAA !!

          • Donald Trump

            Just factor in the penicillin shot to see if it's still a good deal.

    • sherry

      You are so right, hit the mark.

  • κατεργάζομαι

    The list of scandals and court reversals is long and sobering, such as the announcement just last month that Obama will not enforce the law requiring deportation of illegal aliens.

    Obama's attempt to legislate from the Oval Office is a display of his colossal arrogance, and it betrays the Founding Fathers' intent,

    "But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever." ~ John Adams (1735 – 1826)

    Rick Moran nailed it again (back in March):
    American Thinker article: Israelis think Obama administration is leaking to media to prevent Iran strike http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/03/israe

  • oldtimer

    Ruppert Murdock was held accountable for the actions of his employees. 0 is responsible for the leaks, treason. He swore an oath to uphold the Constitution, yet at every chance he tries to destroy it. Lies, deception, divisions, that is his legacy.

  • Steve Chavez

    I WOULD LOOK TO MICHELLE who is more radical than BARACK, if that's possible. I can only imagine the Secrets that are leaked during their bedtime stories and Michelle creating policy and giving orders. "Don't do that. You need to stand touch and so tomorrow I want you to… then Valerie told me… and the next time you talk to Putin… but those Jews are really getting to me… and those Tea Party sons-a-bit*ches!" I GUARANTEE THERE ARE RACIAL SLURS FLYING TOO!

    THE SAME GOES FOR HILLARY AND BILL. Don't you think Hillary learned a few secrets too?

    WHO DID THESE FIRST LADIES TELL? With Hillary now having a Muslim Brotherhood apologist as her right hand woman, more Secrets are being leaked to our enemies.

    DID NANCY, LAURA, AND BARBARA LEARN SECRETS AND PASS THEM ON TO THEIR RADICAL FRIENDS?

    At least with Bush, we didn't have suspicions on whose side he was on.

    • mlcblog

      I think you are way off here.

  • davarino

    My hat goes off to our brave men and women in uniform for not only having to worry about enemies from outside, but also enemies from inside. I cant imagine what it must be like to be sold out by your own government. To remain vigilent and loyal knowing there is a chance at any moment that your cover will be blown and you'll be left swinging in the wind. No, the author assumes that this admin is only doing this to up his poll numbers before November, but the opposite is true. This pres is a traitor and is selling this country out to our enemies, although very stealthily.

    He has OBL killed, then lets the whole world know how it was done, the identity of the Seal Team, and the identity of the snitch. OBL was expendable in the grand scheme of things, plenty of replacements. Gives admin opportunity to reveal methods, plus show snitches what happens when you work with the US. Thats shuts down intel in a heart beat.

  • davarino cont.

    Leaking methods about cyber attacks on iran gives them ability to stop attacks and more time to develope nuke. Throw in the fact that the admin didnt support the iranian uprising gives the nod to the mullahs that we are running interferance for them. The admin is just blowing smoke when it comes to "sanctions", "warnings", iran knows they can go full steam ahead.

    Throw in the leaks that outed UK agents, and the magnificent arab spring which has put into power the MB, and what you have is a straight up TRAITOR. There is no incompetence here. They know exactly what they are doing

    • Jim_C

      I remember being called a "traitor" for daring to think the Iraq War was a bad idea. I guess the word doesn't mean as much to you guys as it does to me. You just throw it around when you don't get your way, much like the other side does with "racist."

      If Obama were truly a traitor, I'm sure you'd be able to find some prosecutor somewhere to bring him to justice. But you won't, you can't, and he isn't.

    • Choi

      And the Democratic Party is their ENABLER.

  • ★FALCON★

    I'm surprised that all of America's enemies haven't attack us simultaneously. If any other country had such weak leadership it's enemies would gather and strike. That leads me to believe that the One Worlders have put a stop on any attacks on the homeland so Obama isn't exposed as a traitorous vile cretin. If Romney is elected – watch for an onslaught of Islamofascist attacks.

    • Kevin Stowell

      I've wondered about that too, P.

      • ★FALCON★

        Hi Bro – nice to see ya. Hope you're well.

        • Kevin Stowell

          You too, Friend. Check out the stone-cold stupid in this vid: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/07/24

          • ★FALCON★

            Yeah, hysterical. When the Cutter uses the WAPO as a tool of credibility you know she's lying. Obama's problem was he opened his big fat mouth off teleprompter. He told the truth about how he really felt about business and was shocked at the backlash.

            Personally, he should have been feeling that backlash every second of every hour over the last three and a half years.

            The public has been screaming about his deranged maniacal lunatic for three years and the press has their collective thumbs in their ass as the ship sinks.

            Obama has a real problem when other democrats aren't going to the convention. That tells you all you need to know.

          • Kevin Stowell

            Looks like someone be hatin' all up on you and me already this morn.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I was wondering why the trolls were keeping me so busy elsewhere, then I found this thread.

    • Asher

      There will ultimately be consequences to these leaks. Countries like China, Iran, and Russia are constantly probing our cyber networks, both government and private, and both civilian and defense. Even Sen. Feinstein realizes the leaks came from the top, and she just got a Corey Booker pulled on her for going against what the White House is saying about the leaks.

    • YLEM

      Whoever leaked this information and whoever order this info to be leaked are, plain and simple, traitors to America. This is national security! Why are they allowing this to wait?

  • Rifleman

    This is expected from the hussein administration, as they've said all along, they consider the USA the greatest threat to world 'peace', so degrading our capabilities, overt and covert, is a top priority.

    Something else notable about this is that the msm pitched a fit over a desk jockey at Langley who told anyone who would listen that she worked for the CIA, yet not a peep from them over the hussein administration outing agents and assets in the field.

    • YLEM

      We are at war — WWIII — and most people don't even see it.

  • Mo_

    How is this NOT treason?

    • fiddler

      We have forgotten what the word means. Loyalty to your country/countrymen is the furthest thing from what is taught in schools. The term needs to be resurrected. Assuming blatant violation of sacred oath, what are the consequences???

    • mlcblog

      It is. It is naked treason. Plain. Out in the open. So blatant that people can't seem to believe their own eyes, and while they are blinking the parade continues, a lot like the cat licking its lips when it has just eaten the canary and people won't believe their nice pet would ever hurt anything, especially a little nice yellow bird.

  • Mike

    If we only had a Mitch Rapp to take care of the leakers….

    • Ricky Michael

      Great book reference. Love those books. What idiot would give you a TD for your book reference is beyond me.

    • Choi

      You can be certain that these guys would have sat Rapp in a basement in Langley watching computer screens .
      And Nash at the next work station.

  • Ricky Michael

    We will not truly know what damage he's done to us until he is booted out of office. I predict people will be shocked by the coming revelation. What we see now is probably only the tip of a gaint iceberg.

  • kendrick1

    In a recent Maureen Dowd article entitled "Hiding In Plain Sight" she intimated that was what Romney was doing in conjunction with some of his contributors. It seem that is exactly what Obama was doing when he publicly divulged a date withdrawal from Afghanistan!

  • Ghostwriter

    Unfortunately,wishful thinking seems to be a major part of President Obama's foreign policy. Not the world as it is.

  • Ronald Johnston

    Why has the investigation of Navy Seal Team 6 being mostly wiped out right after osama obama had osama bin laden killed (or did he?)!!!! When the fox is in the hen house, he will kill all the chickens!!!!

  • Anamah

    There is a mortal circus playing inside our most sensitive offices. Our enemy has reached powerful positions within, and we are going to do what it must be done to save our country. American have been incredible gullible people, and they must confront incredible perverse threats. It smells and looks bad!

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      What is your mother tongue?

  • mlcblog

    The WORST to me is that man who was our friend who is now serving 33 yrs in prison.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      Liberals are mean when they have the chance.

  • Jim_C

    That's right, I forgot. No one on the Right knows any investigators or prosecutors. How inconvenient! Gosh, now we'll never know if Obama was really born in Hawaii or whether he's a traitor plotting the downfall of the US government!

    And why not? Paranoid conjecture circle jerks beats facts any day, right?

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      We have some, and some that might be brave to investigate in spite of the liberal attack media.But who would appoint them? It's a democrat administration. That's right, you forgot.

      • Jim_C

        Aw, the mean ol' liberal media! Yes, a favorite excuse of the Right–they're scared of Katie Couric and her mean, gotcha questions.

        So, in other words, you'll just keep making excuses, and enjoy the whining rather than do something about it

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          I realize you are probably not paying attention. So, I'll not be too brutal this time.

          Read my comment again, I never said the media would do anything but try to intimidate the investigator. But the main reason I laid out was the democrat administration who's not afraid of that media since they have it under their control for the most part.

          Are you saying that the media wouldn't allow Obama to appoint a credible conservative investigator?

          And are you aware that a credible investigator general was forced into retirement for doing just what you brought up?
          http://www.govexec.com/oversight/2010/11/justice-

          • Jim_C

            OK, so you are saying that your…"interpretation" would be one word; "wild speculation" another…of this guy's retirement…your subjective reaction to this event of dubious importance…means that even if Obama has betrayed the country, he's just wayyy too powerful to get to?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            This guy's retirement when he challenged the 'dear leader'.

            And it's speculation, even wild speculation that it was anything else. Can you show any other reason he quickly and quietly retired suddenly after discovering corruption in the white house with an enemies list and a Chicago mentality on dealing with them?

          • Jim_C

            How about…he wanted to retire? Naaaah. COuldn't be. Why should we take him at his word? He's living a life under the threat of Obama's vengeance, right?

            You have a lot of nerve talking about "emotionalism" when you're the one just making stuff up out of whole cloth.
            http://www.npr.org/2011/01/28/133272339/justice-w
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMrBwRSRw8U

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            How about you remember Obama is from Chicago and this guy was given a choice he knew better than to refuse?

          • Jim_C

            Speculation.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Sure, and I have a bridge for sale.

          • Jim_C

            You should never have purchased that bridge in the first place.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I didn't. I applied for a government grant as a handicapped multisexual illegal alien and threatened to sue for discrimation based on planet of origin and claimed victim status.

          • Looking4Sanity

            How about "You're lame and so is your argument"?

        • Looking4Sanity

          We're going to do something, all right. Look for it to happen the first week of November!

  • mlcblog

    Go, Roger!! Of course, logic is no match for runaway emotions. However, we must persist.

    • Jim_C

      So Obama is a traitor? That's the point. It's a serious charge, thrown around by actual people with runaway emotions. Prove it. Have the courage of your convictions.

      • mlcblog

        More than a traitor. He is a man with an agenda to undermine and dismantle everything that we hold dear in this country. He and his pals are taking it apart piece by piece through various means. First they came for the mortgage brokers, then they put the car dealers out of work, then they went for the banks, not to mention nationalizing GM. So let's not discuss whether he is a traitor. He is far from a traitor. He is a man with an agenda.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          Go Mic! And your'e right logic is no match for their emotions.

          • Jim_C

            Oh Roger. It would take too long to explain to you what "logic" means.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I'll try. But with you I better leave off any big words.

        • Jim_C

          "First they came for the mortgage brokers?" Are you serious. First, the mortgage brokers came for US. There are miles of email records showing these guys contempt for the people who invested with them. They got richer. Regular people lost their life savings. Do you have any clue what happened on Wall Street after Glass Steagall was repealed? Do you even care? I WISH they went for the banks. And guess what? So do many bankers! This is public record stuff, and you should be ashamed of yourself for not keeping up with it. (I recommend a book called "The Big Short" by Michael Lewis).

          One of the biggest banks in the world–one you do business with if you have credit cards with any number of retail stores– was just caught money laundering for terrorists. What does FPM have to say about it? Where's Arnold Ahlert when you need him? Nothing to see here! Let's make stuff up about Obama instead!

          You haven't mentioned one single "treacherous" thing Obama has done. Hint: if it were truly treason, it would be actionable. So go for it. Prove something–anything–or stop making a fool of yourself.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            If you understood CRA you'd realize they came for the mortgage brokers. If you wanted to provide low income bad risk people with loans you could have opened your own bank.

          • Jim_C

            Absolutely the CRA was part of it–but more for the types of loans it spawned. And you'd also know administrations of both parties were part of that.

            And another big part of it was simply people buying more house than they could afford.

            But when you realize just how out of control our financial system was–and the reason it got that way through 30 years of steadily eroding controls through lobbying and government collusion…it's fairly mind-boggling. And I'm not a "99%"er–I'm cool with Wall Street's role in driving the economy. But we ALL took our eyes away when times were good–and many of us (not me, fortunately) got screwed while others continued to profit.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You're going to claim both parties were behind CRA when it was Carter and Clinton and now Obama?

            Yeah, good luck with that one.

            A big part of it was forcing banks to loan to people who couldn't afford it. All of it was banks being forced to make those loans.

          • Jim_C

            Um, Rog? Carter through Obama. I believe there were several Republican presidents sprinkled in here and there.

            I'll ask you 2 things: HOW big a part of it was the banks being "forced" to make those loans? And how much did the other factors I mention play a part?

            And I notice you have no comments about Wall Street's role. Why is that?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Um, Jim. Carter pushed CRA through, Clinton had Reno threaten the banks for not following it enough, and Obama wants to use the credit agency to force it through even more.

            I notice you don't have any comments about republicans doing the same. Why is that?

          • Jim_C

            Almost 30 years of CRA–no problems. If it were so insisdious, why not?

            Now, there is general agreement that performance of mortgage loans made between 2005-2007 are the root of the crisis.

            What could possibly have happened? Tell me what the CRA did in 2005 to "cause" the crisis to happen?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You show your shallowness There was a 30 year build up before the problems couldn't be hidden and burst throughout the system.

            Now, there is general agreement that forcing bad loans through a system is eventually going to poison it. And your talking points about 2005-2007 are just that. Frank's boyfriend and the other failed liberal leadership at Freddy and Fannie made it worse, but why do you not mention Bush wanted to reform the system since he saw trouble coming and it was your side of the isle that pretended everything was perching that close to the eventual collapse? Well?

          • Jim_C

            I am not exonerating democrats on this. Clearly, players on both sides of the aisle had something to do with it. The point is, it's not just government–it's government collusion. You guys love to blame government, but you always let the other side off the hook.

            Those problems that were hidden were throughout the whole industry–you can't lay those at the feet of the CRA. The CRA was responsible for a very small percentage of "bad" mortgages. Independent brokers accounted for most of the "predatory" loans. And as I mentioned, many homebuyers simply bought too much house, or used their house as a savings account. Obviously, blaming Joe Homeowner is a political no-no–even though it's true.

            Now, was the CRA the first domino to fall? That is arguable. But for it to have knocked over the entire course of dominoes means something was rotten to begin with.

            You seem to have enough of a head on your shoulders to realize there are several factors that went into the meltdown. I'm a staunch pro-capitalist, but I always wonder why the very lifeblood of our economy seems to be the one place where you guys don't expect loyalty, stewardship, and a moral compass? Just because the Left has a skewed picture of Wall Street doesn't mean the

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Just comments ago you wouldn't even admit to the CRA problem.

            And those problems were forced on lending by government. If you liberals thought those loans were such a good idea, why not start your own banks and do it yourself? Didn't want to put your money where your mouth is?

          • Jim_C

            Oh, Rog, tilting at windmills, again. In one of my first posts, I said it WAS part of the problem. But you just see what you want to see, and make up what you don't.

            And "we liberals" are in banking. Hard for you to believe, but we actually live, move, and work among you.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Oh Jimmy, just 4-5 comments up this thread you said this.

            "Almost 30 years of CRA–no problems. If it were so insisdious, why not? "

            Anything else? And you liberals may be in banking, but that doesn't mean the banks are better off for it.

            You may live and move among us, but working among us? I doubt that.

          • Jim_C

            If you want to willfully misunderstand me, by all means, go for it.

            Good jape about "working," though.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            If you want to willfully go back on your own comments, don't blame me.

            And when have liberal policies actually worked?

          • mlcblog

            Yes, I am serious (you sound like Pelosi).

            You are entitled to your version of the truth, as am I.

            Done.

          • Jim_C

            Entitled to our own opinions, mlcblog–not our own facts.

          • mlcblog

            Nice try!!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            For him, it's cutting edge.

            Hahahahahaha….

            These silly liberals.

      • Looking4Sanity

        I personally know people who think he's the frickin' antiChrist…and I am not inclined to argue the point with them.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Oh, they aren't? It's just a few with the surah 9 chapter in it?