A Tale of Two Rabbis


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Meet Lynn Gottleib. She calls herself a rabbi, and she’s at the top of President Obama’s “Rabbis for Obama” group – another cynical attempt by the Obama campaign to pretend that they have support from the religious Jewish community. Only one problem: Gottlieb is an anti-Israel radical who bears nothing but hatred for traditional Judaism. She’s supped with Iran’s genocidal president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and worked with Jewish Voice for Peace, a front group for Israel-haters. She has urged that America boycott, divest, and sanction Israel.

Gottlieb sounds a good deal like President Obama when it comes to her pie-in-the-sky view of Iranian nuclear weapons: “We’ve been living with a nuclear Israel which used conventional weapons on people. We’ve been living with nuclear India, with nuclear Pakistan, nuclear United States. Do we want to live with any government having nuclear power? I don’t think so. I personally do not want to live in a world with nuclear weapons, period. It’s unfortunate that we have been valuing militarism and war over diplomacy and peacemaking. It’s a choice, a human choice. War is not inevitable. It is a choice. Are we doing everything we can to prevent war? I would like to see all our politicians act differently in this regard.”

And she’s insane when it comes to American Christian support for Israel, buying into every false stereotype about the rationale for that support. “I signed on to be a rabbi for Obama,” she recently wrote on her Facebook page. “There are no other clergy groups, such as Imams or Priests for Obama. Really, what Jewish person wants to vote for a (Christian Zionist) guy who believes all Jews should move to Israel so that we can all finally convert and bring the end of time and go to heaven or be burned up in the apocalypse?”

What exactly is she talking about? Nobody really knows, since nobody has expressed that opinion. But it helps her sleep at night while backing a man who hates Israel.

The question isn’t why Gottlieb would support Obama, though. It’s why the Democrats are so comfortable with an anti-Israel extremist like Gottlieb. The answer is clear: she’s one of the few “rabbis” they could find who would buy into their own anti-Israel agenda.

Now take a look at the Republican Party.

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  • Schlomotion

    Mr. Shapiro asks which rabbi sounds more authentically Jewish. In reality, Rabbi Soloveichik sounds like like an authentically Jewish rabbi from the 1800s and Rabbi Gottlieb sounds like an authentically Jewish rabbi from the 1900s. Mr. Shapiro, who has not been in the modern era very long, appears to be yearning, as Muslim Fundamentalists do, for a much older time. He also asks "What exactly is she talking about? Nobody really knows, since nobody has expressed that [apocalyptic zionist] opinion." Incorrect. It is espoused by Pat Robertson and held by Evangelicals at large.

    • Lady_Dr

      LOL! To say that Pat Robertson and Evangelicals at large hold the opinion this female rabbi claims they hold is to take the facts and distort them beyond recognition. Rather like the Jewish woman who said that the Jewish Holiday of Purim is like Holloween – well, on both occasions people do wear costumes, but the comparision stops there. The so-called rabbi, Schlomotion, and the Jewish woman all have the same common trait – they are pathetic.

      • Schlomotion

        You are right. Purim is actually the codified celebration of a mass execution of an Iranian family on the fear that they might have harmed the Jews.

        • ziontruth

          "Purim is actually the codified celebration of a mass execution of an Iranian family on the fear that they might have harmed the Jews."

          Though it's obvious what Schlocky intended here, this is actually a good point: Jewish values are far removed from the humanistic turn-the-other-cheek mentality the anti-Zionists want Israel to pursue in its dealings with its murderous Arab/Islamic enemies. On the contrary, Jewish values maximize the number of means Jews can take for the sake of survival.

          As for Haman, he wasn't an Iranian but an Amalekite—a descendant of the king Agag whose life King Saul spared. In our day, the Persian nation likewise has gotten itself entangled in a needless fight against the Jews (and their state) in order to serve foreign (this time Ishmaelite, Arab—Islam is Arab imperialism) interests.

          • Jim_C

            You do know who first advocated turning the other cheek, and essentially "begat" humanism, don't you?

            Hint: He was Jewish

            Just tweaking you; you make a good point.

          • Drakken

            The day of turning the other cheek is over, but you go ahead and lets see how that works out for you, the rest of us will pick up the sword and shield and defend ourselves.

          • Kufar Dawg

            Yeshua never encountered any nazis or islamofascists in his day — people who would just as soon kill him and his entire people as listen to him or them.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          No, the law was passed and the extermination of the Jews as Scheduled.

          Schlo, can you please pretend to know about the things you comment on?

    • Ar'nun

      " and Rabbi Gottlieb sounds like an authentically Jewish rabbi from the 1900s"

      1930's to be more specific, 1930's Gernan Jewish. Kind of sounds like the George Soros types. The type of Jew that would make a fortune off the stolen belonings of other Jews as she helps round them up for the Camps.

      In other words, she sounds like the type of Jew you prefer.

      • Schlomotion

        By your comments it sounds like you wish George Soros died in the concentration camps. Isn't this the attitude that the Jews demonstrated at Passover when, dominated by the opinion of (Shapiro's preferred type of) Rabbinical clerics, they insisted Jesus be killed by the Romans for his beliefs and the bandit bar-Abbas be freed because he was a resister and brigand? How can you call for George Soros' execution retroactively at the hands of the Nazis without being some kind of fiend?

        • PaulRevereNow

          How can you call for America's execution, at the hands of Karl Marx, and Israel's demise, at the hands of Islam,without being some kind of fiend?

          • Schlomotion

            You are right. That would make me a fiend. Fortunately, I don't do that. You are merely exaggerating. Why don't you want your comrade to answer for himself?

          • Advocatus

            You blow hot and cold as usual. What independent evidence do you have that "Rabbinical clerics insisted Jesus be killed by the Romans for his beliefs and the bandit bar-Abbas be freed because he was a resister and brigand"?

          • Schlomotion

            Why do you also not want either of your comrades to answer for themselves?

            Ancient Jews' preference of the violent zealot Jesus bar-Abbas over the nonviolent Jesus bar-Yehoshua is a separate and fun issue.

            You would also realize that blowing hot and cold is a good method for fracturing a material.

          • IsraelFirster

            It wasn't much of a separate and fun issue to my parents' generation who got to be called Christ killers every Easter and Good Friday, Slowmotion.

          • Schlomotion

            I am not responsible for your parent's generation's sufferings, nor may you lay claim to them. Besides, as I hear, it wasn't fun when their generation passed the nuclear secrets to the USSR.

          • Touchstone

            Schlo-of-Mind, holding an entire generation accountable for passing nuclear secrets to the USSR defines you as an antisemitic bigot. That's guilt-by-association worthy of Der Sturmer, and another regrettable remark that can and will be used against you indefinitely.

          • Schlomotion

            Agreed. And it is an equal coin in trade of the white guilt that IsraelFirst tried to charge in the name of his parents.

          • Touchstone

            How nice that you agree.

            I hereby pronounce you an ANTISEMITIC BIGOT who practises GUILT BY ASSOCIATION.

            This will be duly noted on all your documents, papers, and job applications to fast-food establishments.

          • Schlomotion

            Make sure you get them notarized.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Shariamotion, And don't forget to stick your documents where the sun don't shine.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Shariamotion, It wasn't fun when your Volk declared war on the US on December 11, 1941, just four days after the Pearl Harbor sneak attack.

            Sadly for you, the Israelis are not the unarmed Jews of WW2 nazi vermin infested Europe.

          • Advocatus

            What "comrades" do I have who should answer for themselves? Sorry I must have missed something profound there. Care to enlighten me again?

            Meanwhile, you want to convict Jews, ancient or modern, of deicide based on a fairytale in the New Testament? What, have you just watched The Passion of the Christ?

          • Schlomotion

            I would like all purported Christians to take note of the inherent animosity Advocatus has for the Bible.

          • Advocatus

            "Inherent animosity"? That sounds like something that you harbor plenty of. But if you want me to go on the record that I am not much of a believer in the Christian Bible, so be it. Here goes.

            Meanwhile, still awaiting a coherent thought from you after all this time. Surely, you haven't kept me waiting in vain? Come on now, Flippo, be a man and prove me wrong.

            Do carry on.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            I would like all Americans to take note of the inherent animosity Socialists and their Islamist allies have for the US and Western Civilization.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Shariamotion said:

            "You would also realize that blowing hot and cold is a good method for fracturing a material. "

            No wonder that you are cracked.

          • PaulRevereNow

            By your comment, "it sounds likke you wish George Soros died in the concentration camps," you are exaggerating Arnun's comment. And since you imply that Arnun is a fiend, I'm merely pointing out that you are a bigger fiend. No exaggeration there.

        • Choi

          YOU STUPID BSTRD!
          Nobody called for the IMPOSSIBLE which would take a TIME MACHINE to happen.
          YOU are THE FIEND,here.
          A JEW-HATING PAID TROLL JEW-HATING MF is YOU ,SCHLO

        • Ar'nun

          I called for no one's execution. But it is obvious that although Soro's physical body survived, his soul died when he betrayed his people. It's one thing to be a disgusting creature and turn on your own people in the name of survival, but he isn't the slightest bit remorseful even to this day.

          The fact remains, on one side you have Israel, a country where all people are free and live in harmony vs a small minority who prefer to murder indiscrimanetly and call for the destruction of the freedom for all people. When you choose the sid of the latter as you, the President, the Democrats in General and these disgraceful embarrassments to the Jewish people have done, respect is fleeting.

          • Stern

            As I warned, there is no point in debating this troll. His only purpose is to provoke and annoy and as long as anyone responds to him, he wins.

          • Schlomotion

            Those are two interesting sides, but they are both sides of an imagined object.

        • Kufar Dawg

          Another blood libel: the Jews killed Jesus. I'll bet you take the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as historical fact don't you?

    • Stern

      A warning to those who bother engaging with this troll: When you make good arguments – such as those by Lady_Dr and Ar'nun – expect schlobowelmotion to change the subject. He is not interested in being persuaded. His only aim on this site is to antagonize and to provoke. You cannot win an argument against this hate-filled mindset and my recommendation is that we all stop trying. By refusing to engage with this asinine hatred, we deprive it of its nourishment.

      • Ar'nun

        Stern- I wish not to pursuade, just to insure his hatred doesn't go unchecked. I think Schlomotionless plays an important role, he shines a bright light on the ignorance, hate, bigotry, and stupidity of his type. I pray he continues to share his ignorance on this site for a long time.

        • Kufar Dawg

          I'll bet he's an islamofascist as I've never read a cross word from him about islamofascism.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        Stern, Shariamotion provides an important function for Freedom loving people.

        He is a sparring partner.

        His comments are what passes for "progressive" thought today.

        Counter arguments and counter attack arguments are the proper response.

        The fact that Socialism has become so enamored of Islamofascsism, says more about Socialism than any thing else.

        • Touchstone

          I'm inclined to agree that Schlo-of-Mind is playing the role of sparring partner who offers up contrary views for necessary counterarguments. Although I'm a bit sympathetic to the view that attention-seeking trolls should be ignored, the truth is this: one, nobody will ever be able to prevent all forum contributors from responding to a troll indefinitely; two, there are always more trolls than one (and more on the way). Nakba1948 comes to mind. If one is ignored, another one will rise to take its place.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Make that ETERNAL Nakba 1948.

    • PaulRevereNow

      First, YOU aren't qualified to comment on which Rabbi sounds more authentic, or on Judaism in general, at all; and your various hate-filled rants prove it. Second, this article has nothing to do with the Dhimmicrat party phony talking point, "Romney wants to take us back to the 1800's." President Reagan said, in 1987, "Freedom can be lost in a generation," and that's exactly what's happening right now; because of an out-of-control and irresponsible government, and their stooges in the left-wing, America-hating media, activist judges, and left-wing academia. Rabbi Soloveichik's invocation, "Proclaim Liberty throughout the land," is timeless, and just as true today as when it was proclaimed in Biblical times. Marxism, a philosophy from your good-old days 1800's, has tried many times to prove that our rights come from the state, has failed every single time, and is failing in spectacular fashion, in the present.

    • plebis

      Reeeeeeeally? Gottlieb is another example off a self hatinig individual. On the Muslim calendar, every day is April 26, 570, and the followers are stuck like bugs in amber.
      American Jews, by sticking with Obama, give proof that they engage in a Jewish LIFESTYLE not the Jewish RELIGION.

      • Rothschild

        I just started researching it, as a half-Jew my own Jewish side of my family, and it was clear in my family they were all secular Jews; and Orthodox Jews in name only; then unexpectedly, during my research into their type of Judaism it seems that at least in Israel there is a split 50/50 between lifestyle Jews (Israelis) and Jews (Lifestyle? # and religious? #)…my guess is it about the same here in the US.

        Half-Jews like myself are around, and estimated three million in the US, my guess is about 25% are practicing Jews,and probably identify more with their Jewishness and even more of a way then even Orthodox Jews, or Zionists, because they crave for Zion in their heart, where after all is said is done, is where it has meant to start by God.

    • Advocatus

      Can you enlighten us about the difference between a rabbi from the 1800s and one from 1900s? I doubt you know squat about rabbinic theology, but let's hear what you've got.

      • Schlomotion

        I refer you to the book A History of the Jewish People, by Max Margolis and Alexander Marx, published by the Jewish Publication Society of America if you have any questions about rabbis throughout the centuries. It's comprehensive.

        • Advocatus

          I doubt those books would be able to answer such a ridiculous premise. Not to get bogged down in detail, but rabbinic literature and thought were as wide-ranging in the 18th century as they were in the 19th or the 20th. Do you mean rabbis of the Haskalah movement, or Lubavitchers in Vilnius, or Satmar hasidim, or just any random rabbis a century apart?

          • Schlomotion

            Not to get bogged down in detail? I am sure your post meant to display your prowess in the Yeshiva Athletics Program, but as intricately detailed as snowflakes are with their marvelous six points, they generally remain cold, wet, and white. As cold, wet, and white as your lathing of microdifferences in fringe Judaism and as cold, wet and white as Mr. Shapiro's fury at Reform Judaism.

          • Advocatus

            Yeah, well, whatever all that means. But who would expect a coherent and meaningful answer from good old Flippo. Pathetic as usual. Carry on, old boy.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Shariamotion, I don't see various sects of Judaism blowing up each others synagogues as the Sunni/Shiite/Salafi do to each others mosques, funeral processions.

            Happy Eternal Nakba!

    • Judahlevi

      Rabbi Soloveichik is the real thing. Rabbi Gottlieb is the typical leftist Jew who believes that the Torah has been replaced by the Democratic party’s political platform. Any conflict between the Torah and the Democratic party is resolved in favor of the political party, not G-d.

      Christians support Israel for a numerous reasons. It is simplistic, and judgmental, to believe that they only do so for “apocalyptic” reasons. It requires little original thought to buy into the knee-jerk reactions that liberal Jews have against the sister religion of Christianity.

      Only when liberal Jews are more fearful of Iran than Pat Robertson will we ever know they have opened their eyes.

      • Rothschild

        They may publicly support Israel; but it is purely from social pressure within that sect of Christianity, the pressure comes from the need to rally around American patriotism, same as Israelis have patriotism to rally upon….that sect is from the branch of Christianity (fundamentalism) in the US, that believed, and believes the Jews were Christ killers, and that blacks should be slaves…. apocalyptic is in a certain sense true, but the reality is that they are apocalyptic, and they don't care about the Jews, the Israelis or the Zionists.

        I hate to be so blunt, because I know a lot of effort has gone into believing that they care about Israel.

        That is why I am not voting for Romney or Obama, but voting Democratic locally; but, if I had a gun to my head, and I had to choose I would vote for Obama, because the Obamabots, probably don't know, they are being played…but, Romney and a majority of voters know they are using the Nazi playbook, and/or the Republican politicians are not idiots, but using Republican voters are useful idiots.

        • judahlevi

          Leftism is the political ideology of the Nazis, not conservatism. If there is a Nazi "playbook" it is being used by leftists and Democrats, not Republicans. Conservatives believe that individual rights trump state rights. That belief is inconsistent with the state adulation that creates collectism like Nazism, Fascism, and Communism. Democrats believe in big government statism.

          Until you understand the difference between collectivism and individualism, you cannot reasonably comment on Republican/conservative voters.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            The nazis, national SOCIALISTS and the commies, Soviet SOCIALISTS were first allies, then bitter enemies.

            But they were both SOCIALISTS.

            Today Socialism is destroying Europe.

    • BAnnE

      Not true. Your putting all Christians into the box of Pat Robertson.-likewise your putting all Jews into two boxes. People are people, each should be judged individually. I know this idea is vast, but is that not the problem with racism-everybody judged as a group?

    • Ghostwriter

      Why am I not surprised that Schlomotion has once more attacked Jews? He does that in nearly every comment he posts.

    • Kufar Dawg

      Muslim "fundamentalists" eh? Where's non fundamental islam being practiced? Which variant of islam has renounced the rabid Jew hatred or the koran or the genocidal Jew hatred of the hadeeth? You're a pathological liar.

    • Robin

      Lynn Gottlieb is not a real rabbi. She just plays one in the media and for Obama. She probably isn't even halachically Jewish!

  • David

    Gottlieb would be the first in line to help the nazis lead Jews to their death. It is one thing to favor peace over war, but another to be a reckless pacifist bent on destroying Israel. Read more here:
    http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/110184/talking-wi

  • saltbeef_bagel

    I love watching Liberal Jews tie themselves in knots trying reconcile the left's open Jew hatred with their own continued existance.

    The problem with Jewish liberals is that their politics are stuck in the 1940′s and 50′s.

    The enemies of Jews are no longer the devout Christians and the guys in pickup trucks with guns and confederate flags. The antisemites are coming from the very people Jewish liberals identify and associate with.

    They are the supposed “enlightened” acedemics from Harvard and Berkley etc. And in the newsrooms of the NY Times and the networks.

    These forces attack and demonize Jews and delegitimize the Jewish right to self-determination under the guise of “criticism” of Israel, but it still amount to the same thing as it did in the 1930s

    My opinion! "I prefer a powerful and proud Jewish State that is hated by the entire world than to be known as sad bastards from Auschwitz that is loved by one and all"

    • Jim

      Nail. Head.

  • oldtimer

    Liberal Jews, Nazi collaborators, same mold.

    • miriam

      yes, agree. gottlieb is Jino(Jew in name only). Why doesn´t she convert to islam? Or to Wright´s black nazi church?

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      It ain't just the "liberal" Jews. The neterui karta hate Israel, because the Messiah has not yet returned, but live in Israel, rather than Gaza, Ramallah, etc.

      The neterui karta prefer the safety of Israel to the "respect" Islamofascists have for "authentic" Jews.

      • Kufar Dawg

        I've always wondered how the Neterui Karta rationalize their hugging of Assminijihad w/the state sponsored persecution of Jews that goes on in Iran? Or Assminijihad's denial of the Holocaust?

  • Norman Berdichevsky

    For a realistic but depressing analysis and history of the anachronistic American Jewish affection for the Democrat Party, see my book The Left is Seldom Right (New English Review, Press, 2011). A majority of Jewish voters are either unconcerned with the increasingly low moral image of the Party’s politicians and candidates and party hacks (John Edwards, David Axelrod, Rahm Emanuel, Elliot Spitzer, Anthony Wiener, Richard Blumenthal). Collectively these six, five of whom are Jews, represent the worst in American politics. The defection of the man so many Jews were formerly so proud of, Senator Joe Lieberman (when he was nominated as the Vice-Presidential candidate of the party), has apparently not bothered them or caused them to rethink. Both Lieberman and former Democratic governor/senator of Georgia, Zell Miller told the party faithful in 2008 the same message when they supported George Bush and John McCain – the Democratic Party is a national party no longer! For many Jews, still in a time warp of the 1930s, the message is only slowly beginning to penetrate.

  • jacob

    To me, the American Jews position on the Democrap Party was given to me by a lady neighbor in her 90's
    but with a mind as sharp as a scalpel.
    I asked her then who was she going to vote for in the coming presidential election and she answered me
    OBAMA OF COURSE…! ! !
    I asked her what did she know about the man and she answered me she didn't have to know anything
    about him, as long as he was her political party's choice…
    I asked her then what is her party's presidential choice would have been a jackass and she answered me
    she would still vote for the jackass…..
    Needless to say, I rested my case…

    And this is the same criteria which, according to polls, will make 60% of them to still reelect him…

    Now,what is it with American Jews and the Democrap Party, which makes Republican Jews as scarce
    as hen's teeth…??????
    Would it be that, like German Jews before them, were first Germans and then perhaps…Jews ????
    Well, allow me to tell them that history has the fatal tendency to repeat itself and that the pendulum will
    swing back at one time or another and then I would love to see (if still alive by then) how a Hitler copycat
    but more likely MUSLIM will deal with them

    • Ar'nun

      Jews throughout history have come to new lands only to later be accused of all that land's problems. Years ago when Jews setteled in new places they didn't assimilate heavily into the greater population, and tended to keep to their own communities. After the Shoah, many Jews coming to America decided to assimilate, and since most settled in urban areas where people tend to lean more Democrat than in Suburban and rural areas, they shifted to the Democrat Party. In those days the Dems where nothing like the Dems of today so it wasn't necessarily a big negative in those days. Now, generations later, it is ingrained to be Democrats just as in the Black community weather it makes sense or not. The Jewish population is starting to shift, and I predict in 10 years it will be overwhelmingly Republican.

      • Rothschild

        The shift of the Jews has already taken place, in a big way to the Republicans…the liberal party which most of the Jews identified with, is dead; and they joined the DLC under Clinton..the DLC is a Republican-lite form of Democratic voter and politician, in other words, a traitor, to liberalism.

      • Ron Lewenberg

        Jews who came here or whose parents came here after the Holocaust tend to be Republicans or independents. Those whose ancestors came prior to 1920 are generally Democrats.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Russian Jews tend to vote Republican.

          Russian Jews know the reality of Soviet Socialism, therefore oppose it.

          The Red Diaper babies have the NY Times idealized Socialism – without Stalins Gulags, mass executions, starving people, bread lines.

  • Ar'nun

    It's sad that there are so many people out there that pretend to be Jews when convienient. It's even sadder that some of them pretend to be Rabbis.

    Miss Gottlieb is the lowest form of human existance. She is a traitor to her people and an embarassment to Jews around the world.

    • Robin

      She probably is really jewish either.

  • Stern

    To all those who attempt to reason with schlomotion: don't bother. You cannot reason with the unreasonable, as he keeps proving again and again.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Just rattle his cage.

      Put his face in Nakba.

      Send him to Syria, to witness the Religion of Peace in action.

    • aspacia

      Yes, I have been ignoring the fool.

  • Carol

    These Jews are shills for the Dems…no difference. And the Reform Movement is the Democrat Party…with holidays!!

    • IsraelFirster

      And worse yet, the same level of dribble that infected the Reform Movement is starting to make inroads into the Conservative Movement as well. Pretty soon, Judaism will have Orthodox and Brain Dead for your movement choices.

  • tagalog

    Is it now the practice of Judaism to have woman rabbis? I didn't think that was the case. I am saddened by this if it's true. The Jews have had such a long history of dealing effectively with religious doctrine.

    • aspacia

      Typical male response. How very sad in the 21st century.

  • Attila The Hun

    Ms. Gottlieb is a rabbi, as much as I'm an astronaut. Give a break she is nothing more than imposter, pretending to be not only Jewish also a rabbi. Unfortunately Jewish history is full of people like Ms. Gottlieb who ended up in trash bin of history.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Is there a card check from muslim friendly trolls here?

  • PaulRevereNow

    Well, you know what you have to do.(to be qualified to comment on Judaism) As for me, I have a life.

  • http://twitter.com/NeverFrgetRabbi @NeverFrgetRabbi

    I have been working to try to get the Republican Jewish Coalition to create rabbis for Romney. I think we give the wrong impression to the public when there are rabbis for Obama and none for Romney. I don't represent an organization and my views are personal..

    Some of those who have signed on with Rabbis for Obama have indicated that they do not object to the State of Israel but to Israel’s occupation of “Palestinian land.” When will they learn? Every time Israel has ceded territory, that territory has been turned into a base from which to attack her-Gaza, South Lebanon, and now Sinai. Nothing that Israel surrenders will bring peace. On the contrary, it will facilitate her enemies destructive promises. It was Albert Einstein who once defined insanity as doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results.

    RABBI DR. BERNHARD Rosenberg

    • Ar'nun

      Let me reccomend to you Rabbi Jonathan Hausman of Massachussetts.

  • Moishe Pupick

    Tuesday, Septembe 04, 2012 common era

    "Rabbi" Gottlieb doesn't know as much Torah as the average high school Yeshiva student. She, along with other Jews who support Barack Husein Obama have only an ethnic identity with being Jewish, a mere veneer.

    Reform Judaism was concocted in dear old Deutschland to reduce or even eliminate antisemitism by making Jewish religious practice more like Protestant Christianity. . . .

  • Silverfinger

    Gottleib – another Jew with a German name; " ash can nazis ".

    Here is the Democrat 2012 Platform re: Israel.
    http://freebeacon.com/pro-israel-language-removed

  • Jim_C

    I have long maintained on this site that the only Jews who support Obama or espouse liberalism are the highly- educated, open-minded, and good-looking ones.

    • Nick

      Put down your crack pipe. Attending an Ivy League school while in an narcotic stupor or uttering mindless lefty nonsense doesn't make one well-educated. Open-minded? Your beloved left are the first ones to squeal when they encounter an opinion that differs from theirs. They are also the first ones to make ad hominem attacks designed to destroy an opponent's character. As to good-looking… Well, there isn't enough Hollywood make-up to make someone like Barbara Streisand, Sarah Silverman, etc. remotely good-looking.

  • judahlevi

    Rabbi Soloveichik is the real thing. Rabbi Gottlieb is the typical leftist Jew who believes that the Torah has been replaced by the Democratic party's political platform. Any conflict between the Torah and the Democratic party is resolved in favor of the political party, not G-d.

    Christians support Israel for a numerous reasons. It is simplistic, and judgmental, to believe that they only do so for "apocalyptic" reasons. It requires little original thought to buy into the knee-jerk reactions that liberal Jews have against the sister religion of Christianity.

    Only when liberal Jews are more fearful of Iran than Pat Robertson will we ever know they have opened their eyes.

  • Rothschild

    I am not Jewish; I'm a Catholic Jew, so I frankly do not know how to respond to the article.

    When, they say she is not a traditional Jew, is it that she is not a pre-exile Jew?..I don't think so, so they both appear to be traditional Jews, inexperienced in American politics.

    Does Judaism have ecumenical rabbis? Are they political? Are they critical of the pre-exile form of Judaism?

    Post exiles Jews, it would seem could identify with the Democrats, at least the MLK black voter type of Democrat.. and in light of the fact that Judaism does not have a clue, nor does it want to what pacifism is, it is highly likely a traditional Jew, but perhaps has some ritualistic customs, during services, that would appeal to American Jews.

    • Ar'nun

      There are many different types of Jews with stark differences, there always has been. Similar to the differences between say Catholics and Baptist or Protestant and Greek Orthadox. All Christians in the greater sense, but all very different from one another.

      When Miss Gottlieb first became interested in Rabbinical studys, women were not allowed to be Rabbi's. She found a group called the Jewish Renewal Movement. This would be like the difference between Catholisism and Wicca. It has to do very little with Judaism.

      Post exiles Jews refers to post destruction of the great Temple. Not sure what that has to do with this. She is a New Age follower of a partially Jewish Movement.

      • Ar'nun

        Also, The Jewish Renewal Movement declares that they are "non-denominational"

        • Rothschild

          Some of my research into the Sons of Zion Judaism of my grandfather seems to imply they would be opposed to the Jewish Renewal Movement, because of fights with the Hasidim…but they (accepted ?) Pinski….but it seems to me the Sons of Zion types of rabbis and Jews were the original Jewish renewal movement, because they wanted to start a yeshiva in Isreal with Rothschild money…that would teach both secular and religious Jews, but then there's a rumor that, that form of renewal was hijacked by the Marxist Zionists…would that be Herzl?

      • Rothschild

        Thank you… my intuition told me that there were and are stark and in some cases harsh differences, when I was doing research into my Jewish half, a majority would tell me that they are all basically the same….your the first to tell me otherwise…in fact, my family side of Orthodox Jews were so wealthy; they were even likely invoked with rabbis, that knew a Rothschild, and they may have even worked with the House of Rothschild when they came over to the US..

        My family was very quiet, private , and secular Jews, so my guess is I will have to try and travel to Russia, and see if the archives are open for the periods between 1850 to present, to do further research, into their Judaism, which was called the Sons of Zion, a Orthodox form of Judaism…I called Jewish historical societies in the US,
        and one sent me a article in the mail… they said I will be the first to do historical research about the Sons of Zion, whom came over from Russia.

        • Rothschild

          Correction….
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          ….in fact, my family side of Orthodox Jews were so wealthy; they were even likely involved with rabbis, that knew a Rothschild….

      • Rothschild

        Post exile Judaism is another type of Judaism; as well as the Sons of Zion Orthodox Jews, that has never been written about in depth. Should I decide to do research into it further, it will probably become a book. I would think, it would be popular in Israel.

        I only wish I could find objective historical rabbis or whomever, in case I need things like (Yiddish?) to be translated to English, if I go to Russia.

  • Alan Leventhal

    (PART ONE)Fortunately, you do not represent the majority of Jews who will, like myself, happily vote for Obama. I am a very proud Jew and feel blessed to have been born into such an extraordinary faith. I regard people like you to be extreme rightwingers who have gone into a totally delusional and immoral state of mind. While it doesn't look like Romney has any chance of being our next president, I know that one of his first acts would be to give the extremist leaders in Israel the green light to bomb Iran. I guess that would make you happy, a lot like Bushes' catastrophic and unGodly act of destroying Iraq, except this maniac act would damage Israel, physically and morally.

    • Drakken

      I see your one of those jews that walked happily to the train stations not believing what a guy with a funny mustache said he would do. Your the most useless of idiots and I say good riddance. Evil is fought in deed, not words.

  • Alan Leventhal

    (PART TWO)I really wonder about you people. You profess to believing the basic tenets and glories of Judaism, yet you have aligned yourselves with the most backward elements in our country. Israelis will eventually solve their problems and work out a way to live surrounded by Moslems, simply because they have no choice, and, most importantly, because they are Jews. One the other hand, like your fundamentalist Christian friends, you are in a warmongering Armageddon mode which is why most Jews will not vote for Republicans this year, or any year. And Obama, as all the major Israeli security leaders have attested, is the strongest ally Israel had in years. You people know this and yet you persist in making a mockery of your Judaism by supporting billionaire fools who put their 'love' of Israel before humanity. I am truly ashamed of you.

    • judahlevi

      And you, Alan, are an extreme leftwinger who I am "ashamed" of calling a Jew. Does the left ever learn any of the lessons of history? Obama the "strongest ally" in years? What planet are you living on?

      Leftism/collectivism is the ideology of the Nazis, the fascists, and the communist/socialists. We believe in individual rights above state rights. You don't. Who is making a "mockery" of Judaism?

      Continue to drink the Koolaid and believe in the utopian dream. Most Israelis would vote for Romney as they favored George Bush as well. Only American liberal Jews such as yourself, who put the platform of the Democratic party above everything, continue to believe that Barack Hussein Obama is an ally of Israel.

    • Drakken

      The jews will never live in peace with muslims unless it is peace of the grave or second class slaves, your wishful thinking and singing kumbaya is what causes slaughter. Please by all means go ahead and vote for Obummer and company, that will be a decision you will live to regret.

    • Rothschild

      Thank you…as a half Jew, and liberal pacifist, I can understand with what you're saying…the extreme nationalism here by the Marxist Republican Jews, that use fundamentalist types here in the US will surely make the Jewish voters vote for Obama, and for good reason…but as a liberal pacifist… I do have to agree with them about about how dangerous they are; but not in how they would react to the militant Muslim (terrorists) that come here.

      Why haven't the Jews both liberal and Marxist Zionist (US Republican Jews)…at least seriously considered the pacifists; they were the most successful in fighting the Nazis under overwhelming odds?…. and there are thousands of pacifists, to pick from that would fit with whatever type of Judaism there is in Israel, the US and the world, to deal with any type of threat the Jews may face from the terrorists.

      Though most of the anti-Semitism I experience is coded anti-Semitism, it nevertheless is just as real, as the blatant anti-Semitism, that Jews experience… and pacifism for me is the logical defense.

      If the Jews ever started to use pacifism they would look at all types of anti-Semitism both coded, and un-coded.

  • judahlevi

    The typical liberal Jewish leftist is usually in full moral outrage mode when you disagree with their position. They call you "delusional" and "extreme" when it is really a self description. Psychologists call it 'projection.'

    Leftism/collectivism is the political ideology of Nazism, Fascism, and Communism/Socialism. They put the state above the individual. They believe everyone should subordinate their will to the party or "Fatherland." We believe that individual rights come before state rights.

    Any true Jew will fight statism and collectivism with everything in their power: Romney instead of Obama.

  • Alan Leventhal

    I'm amazed that you took down the comments I made an hour or so ago. I guess Mr. Horowitz doesn't want any dissenting opinions from your group think, which is unfortunate because this November you're going to have to face reality.

    • Drakken

      The only reality your in jino is that it is going to be an extremely brutal lesson for you and yours, especially when the economy crashes. So please by all means continue to wish away all the bad things that are coming.

  • Cat K

    Mr Rothschild, with all due respect for your interest in your Jewish relatives and your research into history – may I gently suggest that you befriend some Jews who follow their faith. I also suggest you attend some synagogue services and meet with a few rabbis. You are spouting history and focusing on divisions. What is Jewish is not found there. There is the spiritual – the Torah, there is am amazing sense of tradition and peoplehood frequently against great adversity . There is music , the foods, the smiling faces of children….. You seem to be completely missing the beauty and the humanity.

    • Rothschild

      Thank you… about the only Jews, it seems, I may be able to identify with (day to day) are Jews that actually converse in Yiddish and English…I'm not going to convert, but the adversity they experience can only help me with mine.

  • Kufar Dawg

    It's always strange to me how libtards and lieberals prefer to admire islamofascism from afar, rather that from close up, as in from within an islamofascist state looking out.
    Maybe Lynn Gottleib would be happier with a congregation in Iran — where she could enjoy the persecution non-muslims receive at the hands of islamofascists first-hand.

  • http://twitter.com/NeverFrgetRabbi @NeverFrgetRabbi

    IT IS TIME TO WAKE UP AND REALIZE WHAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND ITS PLATFORM ATTEMPTED TO DO. I hope the 600 rabbis plus are e mailing and on the telephones to their democratic representatives. The so called hidden rabbis for Romney have been asked by me to send e mails and mass phone calls today. This is what Rabbis for Romney can accomplish without currently publishing a list . Yishar KOACH TO THE DEMOCRATIC Jewish LEADERSHIP IN CONGRESS AND ELSEWHERE FOR SPEAKING UP AND FIGHTING. RABBI DR. BERNHARD ROSENBERG

  • http://twitter.com/NeverFrgetRabbi @NeverFrgetRabbi

    WHAT IS IT THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA DOES NOT UNDERTSAND. ?Israel must defend itself against her enemies. I have formed rabbis for ROMNEY. RABBI DR. BERNHARD ROSENBERG