Where Would Rapper Psy Be Without the U.S. Military?

Ben Shapiro is a Senior Shillman Journalism Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center and Editor-in-Chief of TruthRevolt.org. He is the author of the new book "The People vs. Barack Obama: The Criminal Case Against the Obama Administration" (Threshold Editions).


Korean rapper Psy has become a global phenomenon with his YouTube sensation “Gangnam Style.” The YouTube video is now the world’s most-watched, clocking in at 923 million views; it will hit 1 billion for certain by early 2013. He’s been feted by everyone from Barack Obama to Ellen Degeneres to Sen. Alan Simpson, who awkwardly danced the Gangnam Style to try incongruously to tell young people to pay more attention to fiscal cliff negotiations.

But while Psy enjoys the American dollar, it turns out that he’s an ardent opponent of the American military. Back in 2004, he sang at an anti-US rally and concert in South Korea, where he spat out these charming lyrics:

Kill those f*****g Yankees who have been torturing Iraqi captives

Kill those f*****g Yankees who ordered them to torture

Kill their daughters, mothers, daughters-in-law, and fathers

Kill them all slowly and painfully

That wasn’t the only time Psy ripped on American troops. In 2002, he performed at another concert in which he threw a model of an American tank on the ground, then bashed it to shards with his microphone stand. Psy sees no contradiction in the fact that he has made the vast majority of his cash from the United States.

Here’s the awful irony: if it weren’t for the US military, Psy wouldn’t be performing. Actually, he’d be three inches shorter. From 1950-1953, America fought her truly forgotten war for the freedom of Korea. Because of the uncertain outcome, Kim Jung Un gets to enslave 24.4 million people in North Korea to this day, condemning them to poverty and starvation while he proclaims daily discoveries of wonders like a unicorn lair.

North Korea is a giant gulag. The average North Korean is three inches shorter than the average South Korean, despite the fact that Koreans are genetically homogenous. If it were not for the 37,000 American dead and 92,000 American wounded during the Korean War – and were it not for the continued presence of thousands of American troops manning the trigger-hair border with North Korea – South Korea would be part of that gulag.

There would be no Gangnam Style without American troops, because there would be no Gangnam– an upper class district of South Korea, a country with a booming economy thanks to the U.S. intervention over sixty years ago. Its current economy is over a trillion dollars, where it was about zero before America arrived.  If not for the sacrifice of American troops, Psy would today be cowering in fear of receiving a shot to the head from North Korean authorities.

Poll countries around the world that America has liberated, and you’ll find that they’re largely ungrateful for American help. Barack Obama may be personally popular in France, but polls show that even before 9/11, only 62% of the French public had a positive perception of the United States. After the Iraq War empowered such thinking, 39% had a positive view of the United States by 2006, even though we were attempting to do for Iraq what we had done for France itself not once but twice during the 20th century.

What about Korea? The latest polls show high approval ratings for President Obama, but back in 1999-2000 – before the dreaded Bush years – the approval rating was just 58%.

America is not in the business of freeing countries to gain their gratitude. We’re happy just to have them as allies, even if they’re uncomfortable living in our shadow. But the international leftist artists that make themselves rich by capitalizing on American freedoms should not ignore the fact that their own freedom is only available because of that American “imperialism” they hate so much.

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  • http://www.adinakutnicki.com AdinaK

    It only goes to show that most good deeds do get punished. And many who owe their freedoms to America are not only ungrateful, but kick her in the teeth every chance they get. But this outrage became even more prevalent since the gangsters took over America by their own internal leftist revolutionaries.

    Consider: if the wayward Commander-in-Chief is nothing short of a radical revolutionary, anti-American himself, why would anyone believe that such an outrageous 'performer' would ever be accepted into the halls of Washington's power centers, or elsewhere in America? http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/10/22/world-leaders

    So, the surprise is that anyone is surprised!
    Adina Kutnicki, Israel – http://www.adinakutnicki.com/about/

    • Mmort

      We keep hearing Psy did said their terrible things 10 years ago. How about that- 2002 throwing an American tank on the floor and crushing it? We need to run him out of the USA on a rail! Obama with him, of course.

  • Mary Sue

    What did you expect? A musician with brains and understanding? Haha. Pop musicians are usually the most brain-dead.

  • Dan

    In a time of war, when our military have sacrificed life and limb, you would think common sense would tell you that it is disrespectful to all Americans but especially toward those fighting, for the White House to have this rapper invited who sings of killing our soldiers.

  • STEVE CHAVEZ

    "AMERICA, a country where our soldiers put their lives on the line in order to protect our right to spit on them." Steve Chavez

  • Demetrius M

    Our fathers and grandfathers although still tired from WW2, came to Korea to stop a full takeover and becoming a whole version of the north, and this is the pampered puke we get. Not a fan of Koreans in general anyway because almost every one of them I see shows a total disregard for manners.

    I remember the bus stop I used to wait at to commute to university had a large number of Korean students. Each day they would literally push elderly people aside so that they could be first of the bus and get a seat. Never had I seen one of them give up their seat to a senior. I snapped one particular day and pulled one of them by his collar as he tried to push past a fragile lady with a cane. After watching flailing on the sidewalk, I contemplated that perhaps I had gone too far, until the bus driver came down the steps and informed him he was not getting on this bus! No respect whatsoever.

    • Questions

      This anecdote is fascinating. Many American descriptions of Koreans, and of Orientals generally, speak of the politeness reigning in their world. Koreans, we are told, are deferential and gentle people, especially willing to respect elders. Apparently, there's another side to this story.

      • guest

        Orientals? Really? F#*king idiot.

        • Questions

          Can’t stand the use of the term “Orientals?” Would you like to pretend that race doesn’t matter? Who, exactly, is the idiot here? By the way, you’re rude as well as ignorant.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Can't stand the use of the term "Orientals?" Would you like to pretend that race doesn't matter?"

            There is no such thing as any "Oriental race." Race doesn't matter because there are no distinctly separate races of humans. There is only one. It's about culture. Period.

      • Demetrius M

        The funny thing is the Chinese and Japanese students were decent as a whole, it was just Korean (some were north but most were from the south according to a friend at the time who was from Taiwan ) students who lacked manners and seemed entitled to the royal treatment.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          I'm not writing only to you, but to the group in response to you.

          "The funny thing is the Chinese and Japanese students were decent as a whole, it was just Korean (some were north but most were from the south according to a friend at the time who was from Taiwan ) students who lacked manners and seemed entitled to the royal treatment."

          I swore to keep my personal experiences out of my statements because anecdotes only work as illustrations, not evidence. However, I've been involved with ESL students since 1978 as a teen working in our family businesses. There is no comparison between the politeness standards in Judeo Christian cultures and Asian cultures. They are each distinct in many way, but the collectivism in their respective ideologies and therefore their cultures prevents them from seeing individuals the way Westerners do. Even atheists get their culture from a filtered set of Judeo Christian values. Their just too ignorant to know this.

          Testifying even more strongly for the individual I will say that many amazing students came to study who had also prepared not only by looking at their language skills before their trips, but by studying culture and values of the West. Those individuals were trying to live up to our ideals and came across as far more polite than the average American, because that is what their behavior in context was.

          What does it all mean? Collectivism sucks, and today throughout the world, even in people from cultures that largely don't behave, the standards for morality that others are held accountable to came from historical Judeo Christian cultural values.

          Anecdotes are useless if you don't have evidence to back them up, or at least enough experience to make sure they are relevant to the context they're used.

          "students who lacked manners and seemed entitled to the royal treatment."

          We don't see mainstream students in the US very often. We see the students from the elite, wealthy families. That alone gives some a sense of entitlement and even confusion, depending on how they were raised. With the rise of the Internet, the culture shock is much less problematic these days as students are much more prepared for what to expect. We also see fewer of them studying abroad. While it's cheaper than it once was, it is seen as less necessary today to do so merely to polish their English. They come for other reasons.

          Now if you travel to Asia and take a bus, I can tell you the original anecdote is not surprising at all. It is standard operating procedure in virtually any location requiring a line or queue. Elderly, disabled, smaller statue, are all ignored as if they don't exist. Dog eat dog. Politeness is reserved for class peers, if it exists at all.

          That's not being negative or hateful. That is how they live based on tradition; what they were taught about how the world works. You don't like it, you do something to convince them that you can teach a better way.

          • Dan

            This is nonsense. I’ve lived in Korea for years and the truth is that on the bus and subway, the elderly, pregnant and women with young children are almost automatically deferred to. To a much higher degree than in North America.

            In fact, there have been several viral internet videos of ridiculous over-reactions to the rare situation where this doesn’t take place.

            By the way, Christianity is the biggest religion in South Korea at 30.1% of the population, compared to 22.8% Buddhist (only other major religion).

          • objectivefactsmatter

            It's not nonsense at all. For one thing, your testimony is not all that significant as of course you'll testify for the position you took. Second, how wide is your experience? Third, you don't address distinctions but like a typical liberal you look only for supposed equality.

            "I've lived in Korea for years and the truth is that on the bus and subway, the elderly, pregnant and women with young children are almost automatically deferred to. To a much higher degree than in North America."

            This testimony is deceptive. Reading between the lines, you're impressed because they exceeded your expectations and of course some places in the West are worse than other selectively chosen places in Asia. We're talking about the effects of culture. In addition, Asian culture has been imported in to the West. Sure, it's not sharia, but dealing with these influences tends to lower the manners of many of those raised on Western norms of behavior. The bottom line is that you can talk about a subjective look at a few locations to minimize cultural differences, but to deny what I said about the influences of culture is denial of reality.

            "In fact, there have been several viral internet videos of ridiculous over-reactions to the rare situation where this doesn't take place."

            Viral youtube videos tell us what about broad cultural values? We might glean some suggestions, but trying to convince anyone with experience around the world that there are no significant distinctions in crowd behavior between Western cultures and Asian cultures is just ignorance on your part. It's leftist ignorance though, so that makes it OK to you.

            "By the way, Christianity is the biggest religion in South Korea at 30.1% of the population, compared to 22.8% Buddhist (only other major religion)."

            Which is one huge reason why you're able to observe more decent behavior than you expected. Are you telling me now that Christianity is indigenous to Asian cultures? Interesting.

          • Dan

            Let me make this clear as day: As somebody who has lived in both Canada and South Korea, my observations were that Koreans are more courteous towards the elderly, pregnant and mothers with children than North Americans are.

            I am confident if you ask other North Americans who have lived in Korea you will hear the exact same thing.

            You're a very rude person by the way and a poor debator. You imply extra hidden meanings where none are implied. You throw incorrect labels around willy-nilly — for example calling me a liberal (I'm not a liberal). You also seem obsessed with generalisms and race. This article isn't about Asia or Asians as some sort of general concept, it is about a Korean. When I gave you very direct information about behaviour in Korea, you took that as some sort of attack on your concepts about "Asians". I feel you aren't very interested in the truth about the lyrics or about Koreans, only about "winning" a debate — including by changing the subject.

            You think you're more clever than you really are. I can see what you're trying to do.

            I'm glad you enjoy "playing" when people who disagree with you "show up". Unfortunately in this case you didn't play very fair — yet you still lost.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Let me make this clear as day: As somebody who has lived in both Canada and South Korea, my observations were that Koreans are more courteous towards the elderly, pregnant and mothers with children than North Americans are. "

            That was already clear. Nobody denied your right to testify.

            "You throw incorrect labels around willy-nilly — for example calling me a liberal (I'm not a liberal)."

            Most liberals don't realize they're corrupted by liberal ideology. You don't identify as a liberal, But if you talk like one, you must think like one. Therefore, we can accurately call you liberal.

            "You also seem obsessed with generalisms and race."

            That's because you assume and apparently project too much. I NEVER said anything about race. You brought that up.

            "This article isn't about Asia or Asians as some sort of general concept, it is about a Korean."

            Actually, as soon as someone mentioned crowd behavior in the subsequent conversation, it was relevant to talk about Asian culture.

            "When I gave you very direct information about behaviour in Korea, you took that as some sort of attack on your concepts about "Asians"."

            You may not have read the entire discussion thread, but I try to myself in order to understand the larger conversation. My rule is that if it's in the article or the discussion page and seems related, then it's fair game to discuss.

            Asia is a continent. Cultures have reach, often limited by communications and physical access. Continents have distinctions that can be made about culture. All of them. Cultures can be subdivided all the way down to a a pair of people. I think you misunderstood and simply read your liberal bias against supposed haters in to what I wrote.

            "I feel you aren't very interested in the truth about the lyrics or about Koreans, only about "winning" a debate — including by changing the subject. "

            Well considering the timing of your replies, I'd say you're not doing a very good job at tracking the conversation. Good luck with that in the future. You don't seem like a complete fool, you just don't know you've been indoctrinated.

            "You think you're more clever than you really are. I can see what you're trying to do."

            More delusional mind reading. You're not the first to try.

            "I'm glad you enjoy "playing" when people who disagree with you "show up". Unfortunately in this case you didn't play very fair — yet you still lost."

            You misunderstood. No surprises there. Come back in a few days when some of the arguments permeate your biased brain. You might realize the mistakes you've made.

            Let me put it to you in a way that you might understand. I know your worldview and rhetoric just as well as you do. I simply disagree sharply. I don't want to make it comfortable for you to go away and think there is no cost to holding on to your delusions.

            On the other hand, you're not by any stretch the worst to come along, so don't take it personally. Don't be such a baby please. Why don't you review what you wrote to see if you can discover what you said that is so offensive and demeaning to the people you pretend to respect. I already explained it explicitly, so we'll see if you manage to read the whole thread and remember the entire conversation and context of points made.

          • Guest

            You make some interesting points. I agreed with you when you started out but in following posts I've noticed a few contradictions in your argument. Just to clarify, I am putting these more as constructive criticism than anything else.

            In the post I am replying to, you wrote, "Nobody denied your right to testify." However, in an earlier post, you said, "Your testimony is not all that significant as of course you'll testify for the position you took." I'm a little confused. Are you saying he has the right to testify, but not the right to be listened to? In addition, aren't all arguments based on the position of the arguer? How would debating from a different point of view devalue his points?

            Another part of your argument went as follows:
            "'I feel you aren't very interested in the truth about the lyrics or about Koreans, only about "winning" a debate — including by changing the subject. '

            Well considering the timing of your replies, I'd say you're not doing a very good job at tracking the conversation. Good luck with that in the future. You don't seem like a complete fool, you just don't know you've been indoctrinated."

            There is irony in this. His point was that your goal was to win the argument, and that you would change the subject to achieve this goal. And you responded to this by changing the subject to his ability to respond. Never let a zinger like that go unchallenged.

            Another phrase I would like to point out is "But if you talk like one, you must think like one. Therefore, we can accurately call you liberal." This statement isn't necessarily true. For example, some of the ideals of the Westboro Baptist Church coincide with that of the Nazi party, but they certainly can't be called Nazis. I understand that you are calling him a liberal in the context of the situation, but that does not apply. Calling his ideas liberal would be more appropriate, and would generate a less hateful, emotional response.

            One last thing, make sure you use the correct form of their, they're, and there ("Their just too ignorant to know this." -From one of your early posts). You probably already know this, but the correct grammar would be "they are too ignorant," necessitating the use of "they're." This is one of the grammar issues that are widely known and frowned down upon; using the incorrect word, even by a typo, alienates more readers than might be supposed.

            I am not pointing these out to belittle your argument, I'm just trying to help your rhetoric.

          • Guest

            You make some interesting points. I agreed with you when you started out but in following posts I've noticed a few contradictions in your argument. Just to clarify, I am putting these more as constructive criticism than anything else.

            In the post I am replying to, you wrote, "Nobody denied your right to testify." However, in an earlier post, you said, "Your testimony is not all that significant as of course you'll testify for the position you took." I'm a little confused. Are you saying he has the right to testify, but not the right to be listened to? In addition, aren't all arguments based on the position of the arguer? How would debating from a different point of view devalue his points?

            Another part of your argument went as follows:
            "'I feel you aren't very interested in the truth about the lyrics or about Koreans, only about "winning" a debate — including by changing the subject. '

            Well considering the timing of your replies, I'd say you're not doing a very good job at tracking the conversation. Good luck with that in the future. You don't seem like a complete fool, you just don't know you've been indoctrinated."

            There is irony in this. His point was that your goal was to win the argument, and that you would change the subject to achieve this goal. And you responded to this by changing the subject to his ability to respond. Never let a zinger like that go unchallenged.

            Another phrase I would like to point out is "But if you talk like one, you must think like one. Therefore, we can accurately call you liberal." This statement isn't necessarily true. For example, some of the ideals of the Westboro Baptist Church coincide with that of the Nazi party, but they certainly can't be called Nazis. I understand that you are calling him a liberal in the context of the situation, but that does not apply. Calling his ideas liberal would be more appropriate, and would generate a less hateful, emotional response.

            One last thing, make sure you use the correct form of their, they're, and there ("Their just too ignorant to know this." -From one of your early posts). You probably already know this, but the correct grammar would be "they are too ignorant," necessitating the use of "they're." This is one of the grammar issues that are widely known and frowned down upon; using the incorrect word, even by a typo, alienates more readers than might be supposed.

            I am not pointing these out to belittle your argument, I'm just trying to help your rhetoric.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        You live in la-la land where liberals talk about their impressions of the world, all gleaned from drama films Hollywood creates to help you visualize the world the way you wish it was.

        Respect for others comes from Judeo Christianity and its cultural descendants. Period. If you see it around the world to a greater extent, it's because of colonialism.

        You are so full of bull, and you don't even realize that you're trying to sell it to the crowd that sees it for exactly what it is; fantasy. We all wish that was the case too, but it's not. Let's deal with the world as it is, hoping for the best and never forgetting to prepare for the worst.

        • Questions

          If you think that Jews and Christians can't be rude as hell, just like everyone else, it's you living in an alternative universe. And I love that dogmatic word, "Period." As if the issue is settled! — because you say so.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "If you think that Jews and Christians can't be rude as hell, just like everyone else,"

            Typical collectivist can't distinguish between individuals and cultural influence. You make those logical errors constantly. Here's a clue question: Is it possible those people would have been worse if they hadn't been influenced by their respective cultures? We won't know, but if you can consider the question, you might understand the topic we're discussing. We're not discussing random people you dislike. What I know about you makes me think I understand why you meet so many rude people.

            "it's you living in an alternative universe"

            True. I'm basing the foundations of my reality on objective facts and you don't even know how to begin to find reality.

            ""Period." As if the issue is settled! — because you say so."

            Well in this case it is, but I didn't expect you to realize it. You can't even correctly define the issue so how would anyone expect you to learn from well-documented history? We don't.

            You wouldn't have so many of these "questions' if you'd read and think more before asking them. Hollywood films are proud to be visualizing what they hope the world will be some day, and some fools actually use that to (mis)-understand the way the world is. You quote delusional dreamers and expect us to accept it as factual reality. Learn about distinctions and…I better stop here because you need to start your education from scratch. You need to be deprogrammed.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "Apparently, there's another side to this story."

        Yes, and it originates in Hollywood. Ever traveled outside the USA? I didn't think so.

  • JohnDK

    Maybe Psy hates Gangnam (which is a district in Soul, the capital city of South Korea).
    According to Wikipedia Gnagnam "has hosted and organized more than 150 events for U.S. military personnel since 2004"

    According to a dane who was addopted from Korea, and as an addult learned to speak Korean, Psy is really making fun of the prople in Gangnam. We westeners just dont get it as we don't understand the lyrics and the Korean humor.

    His song "Gangnam Style" is in other words not ment as a celebration og the people in Gangnam, but rather made to redicule them.

  • Dan

    The translation you are using is incorrect. Psy simply never said to kill Americans. He referred to the torture and murders committed by CERTAIN American soldiers in the Iraq War. The song he sang (which wasn't his own, he was guesting with another group during a concert) was anti-War, not anti-American.

    Surely most Americans likewise despise the grotesque actions taken by the tortures committed by a few bad apples in their military.

    This is AWFUL journalism. The American political right simply can't find enough "anti-Americans" to sate its perverse appetite for conflict and hatred.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "The translation you are using is incorrect. Psy simply never said to kill Americans. He referred to the torture and murders committed by CERTAIN American soldiers in the Iraq War."

      Show us your translation and sources please. Then we'll decide.

      "This is AWFUL journalism. The American political right simply can't find enough "anti-Americans" to sate its perverse appetite for conflict and hatred."

      Really?

      Perverse appetite for conflict? Like the war the conservatives went out to start with Islam? As opposed to denying its existence…

      Hatred of what? The delusional lies of the left? That's not appetite. That's survival instinct. We have to deal with the world as it is, and those who deny the reality of mortal enemies are in fact empowering those enemies, as you are.

      You obviously have no clue just how widely exploited these anti-Americans are. Our collective reaction is more a critique on the propaganda than on the individual who is some times being exploited without his knowledge.

      Get over yourself. You're not defending anything noble. If you want to present a nuanced statement that clarifies the issues with a focus on reality, that would be great. No need for total agreement. Don't ruin your credibility by claiming that conservatives are motivated by hate. Those that show hate are unwisely letting their legitimate anger cloud their testimony in some cases. It's easy to let that happen when you're talking with those who already agree with you. Since you come from the opposite camp, feel free to hold me accountable to anything I say.

      Go for it.

      • Dan

        So, yeah, this article is about a Korean, it has nothing to do with your war with Islam. You seem obsessed. My point about conservatives craving conflict was in relation to this story about a Korean, not Islam. It is quite apparent that the writer simply accepted this ridiculous translation without any fact-checking or confirmation. At the time this story was published, the translation above had already been publicly debunked.

        Anyways, here are 3 more accurate translations. These were made by people actually bilingual in Korean and English. I myself have lived in Korea for 3 years and although I'm not fluent, I can definitely say that these look more accurate. Apparently, the erroneous translation used in this article originally appeared as a comment on a CNN.com story, posted by some anonymous yahoo like us!

        1. All the — Yankees torturing Iraqis
        All those — Yankees who ordered the torturing
        Kill their daughters, mothers, daughters-in-law and fathers
        Kill them very slowly and painfully

        2. All those — Yankees been torturing Iraqi captives and
        All those — Yankees who ordered them to torture
        Kill their daughters, mothers, daughters-in-law and fathers
        Kill them all slowly, kill them all painfully

        3. The —— despicable Western women and men who tortured Iraqi war prisoners and
        Dog —— despicable Western women and men who gave orders to torture
        Their daughter, mother, daughter-in-law, father the big-nose, kill all
        Very slowly kill, painfully kill.
        http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp

        • Drakken

          Yes , you have proved to the rest of us that your a puzzy and afraid to stand up for your country. Your a prime example of our education system, God effing help us.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            He's a cosmopolitan. No problem with that but when one fails to realize what made the world good, that is, what brought about most of the good things we've enjoyed since WWII ended, forgetting to appreciate the USA is pathetic and anyone who had direct benefit of the sacrifices made should be even more ashamed to forget or overlook.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Yes , you have proved to the rest of us that your a puzzy and afraid to stand up for your country."

            You called it correctly much quicker than I did.

          • Dan

            Lol, I'm not American!

            Pretending somebody said something they didn't say is not actually standing up for America, by the way.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            I understood you were Canadian. But that was not the salient point.

            "Pretending somebody said something they didn't say is not actually standing up for America, by the way."

            Yes, because THAT's what we want. You're the only one who knows the truth, you and the liberals (while we know you're not liberal, of course).

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "My point about conservatives craving conflict was in relation to this story about a Korean, not Islam."

          Is the war on terror about Islam?

          "Anyways, here are 3 more accurate translations. "

          I'll accept your word on that.

          "1. All the — Yankees torturing Iraqis
          All those — Yankees who ordered the torturing
          Kill their daughters, mothers, daughters-in-law and fathers
          Kill them very slowly and painfully"

          OK. It's anti-American because it promotes vigilantism, excessive extra-judicial punishment, and collectivism.

          It doesn't have to say "kill all Americans indiscriminately," but advocating the killing of families due to alleged crimes of soldiers without any process of discovery of evidence is definitely anti-American and anti-justice.

          Is he worse in that respect than indigenous rappers? No…but coming from Korea he might have more appreciation for the role the USA has played. Then again, given how little true history is taught anywhere, I guess I'm hoping for too much.

          Your not wrong to correct the lyrics, but your point is not as well-supported as you seem to think in my analysis.

          It's clearly anti-American, and when you add the timing to it (see his apology), well I think the article is not distorting anything. You just disagree and are possibly biased due to emotional ties. That's easy to forgive.

          • Dan

            I think the lyrics are about the American military killing Iraqi families. Not advocating killing American families.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "I think the lyrics are about the American military killing Iraqi families. Not advocating killing American families."

            You're quite funny.

            From your translation:

            "1. All the — Yankees torturing Iraqis
            All those — Yankees who ordered the torturing
            Kill their daughters, mothers, daughters-in-law and fathers
            Kill them very slowly and painfully"

            BS. You're in denial. So now the translation is:

            "1. All the — Yankees torturing Iraqis
            All those — Yankees who ordered the torturing
            (and) Kill(ed) their daughters, mothers, daughters-in-law and fathers (in Iraq).
            (when they) Kill(ed) them very slowly and painfully"

            What an unfortunate misunderstanding.

            I'm so full of hate, I read it like this:

            "1. All the — Yankees torturing Iraqis
            All those — Yankees who ordered the torturing of Iraqis
            Kill their daughters, mothers, daughters-in-law and fathers
            Kill them very slowly and painfully"

            "Kill their daughters" etc. sounds like a call to action, not a continuation of the events he's lamenting. But, you could be right. You're the one who translated it.

          • Dan

            When Korean is written in prose, there are subject and object markers. However, when used in song-lyrics, they are used or dropped depending on cadence and rhyme.

            In the Korean version of the quote, in the last 2 lines, there are no object or subject markers. It is not completely clear if they are about killing the war-criminals or about the war-criminals killing. In Korean when there are ambiguities, you have to use context. In the quoted stanza, you would therefore defer to the other 2 lines (there were object markers on the Iraqis).

            It is complicated, but I'm reasonably confident in my translation.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "It is complicated, but I'm reasonably confident in my translation."

            Good. My comments came from your translation. Also note that here:
            http://fox2now.com/2012/12/10/psy-apologizes-for-

            Excerpt: "CNN was able to translate the lyrics as saying,” Kill those f–ing Yankees who have been torturing Iraqi captives and those who ordered them to torture,” and going on to say, “Kill them all slowly and painfully,” as well as “daughters, mothers, daughters-in-law and fathers.”"

            So your translation is poetic but still calling for the death of soldier's family's but then you say weakly that it doesn't say that really, without detail explanation. You just defy what you wrote making reference to Korean grammar, which I understand leads to difficulties, but you translated it, not me.

            I think you're simply wishing it meant something different. There is a degree of deniability, but very, very little. I am not buying it.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1698546/psy-apol

      It seems he was caving like a dhimmi.

      I suppose you're so concerned about hate that you're educating the world about Islam right now, and the lies about Israel. Maybe that's why you're too busy to talk about the root of the discussion. Psy wants South Korea to be more like Spain, and step aside to let the Americans die defending non-Muslims from Islamic imperialism. If they'd just die while leaving the rest of the world to its fantasies. Then those soldiers might be more appreciated, if they'd just stop hurting religious feelings that lead to terror. The root cause is the hate from the right, that leads to hurting religious feelings, soldiers doing more of the same, and so forth.

      Remember, the future does not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. If we'd just listen to everything 0'Bama says, and obey all of it, we'd all be living in peace, harmony and dhimmitude, till we die.

  • Dan

    JohnDK, he is making fun of the people of Gangnam, but for being vacuous, stuck-up snobs. Not for being pro-American.

    • "gunner"

      that's interesting, basically he looks like a fat, stuck up slob himself. maybe a hitch in the south korean armed forces would do him some good. shed some pounds of excess blubber and get a taste of reality up on the truce line, eyeball to eyeball with the nkpa.

    • JohnDK

      Maybe you are right, I don't understand the lyrics.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "…he is making fun of the people of Gangnam, but for being vacuous, stuck-up snobs. Not for being pro-American."

      I'll reserve judgment while I wait for your translations.

      • Dan

        Here's a good English translation. It is probably hard to understand the cultural references about Gangnam, but basically it is a neighbourhood full of pretentious rich men and pretentious beautiful women. As hard as it is to understand, you can see the song has nothing to do with anti-Americanism (or America at all). BTW, "Oppa" is a pet-name a girlfriend calls her boyfriend.

        Oppa is Gangnam style
        Gangnam style

        A girl who is warm and humanle during the day
        A classy girl who know how to enjoy the freedom of a cup of coffee
        A girl whose heart gets hotter when night comes
        A girl with that kind of twist

        I’m a guy
        A guy who is as warm as you during the day
        A guy who one-shots his coffee before it even cools down
        A guy whose heart bursts when night comes
        That kind of guy

        Beautiful, loveable
        Yes you, hey, yes you, hey
        Beautiful, loveable
        Yes you, hey, yes you, hey
        Now let’s go until the end

        Oppa is Gangnam style, Gangnam style
        Oppa is Gangnam style, Gangnam style
        Oppa is Gangnam style

        Eh- Sexy Lady, Oppa is Gangnam style
        Eh- Sexy Lady oh oh oh oh

        A girl who looks quiet but plays when she plays
        A girl who puts her hair down when the right time comes
        A girl who covers herself but is more sexy than a girl who bares it all
        A sensable girl like that

        I’m a guy
        A guy who seems calm but plays when he plays
        A guy who goes completely crazy when the right time comes
        A guy who has bulging ideas rather than muscles
        That kind of guy

        Beautiful, loveable
        Yes you, hey, yes you, hey
        Beautiful, loveable
        Yes you, hey, yes you, hey
        Now let’s go until the end

        Oppa is Gangnam style, Gangnam style
        Oppa is Gangnam style, Gangnam style
        Oppa is Gangnam style

        Eh- Sexy Lady, Oppa is Gangnam style
        Eh- Sexy Lady oh oh oh oh

        On top of the running man is the flying man, baby baby
        I’m a man who knows a thing or two
        On top of the running man is the flying man, baby baby
        I’m a man who knows a thing or two

        You know what I’m saying
        Oppa is Gangnam style

        Eh- Sexy Lady, Oppa is Gangnam style
        Eh- Sexy Lady oh oh oh oh

        • objectivefactsmatter

          I don't have any problem with this song unless I have to hear it myself. I don't even care that much about this artist per se, but he should not be feted by politicians. It's absurd to do so.

          Maybe I missed something useful he did. Does he do medical research when he's not performing? I think there are zillions of artists who would be honored, and should be honored by the attention of being noticed by an American president. The position is absent at the moment though and we have to deal with the cards in hand.

  • Stormgren

    Look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cG7ZVBXQII
    PSY – GANGNAM STYLE (강남스타일) PARODY! KIM JONG STYLE! | Key of Awesome #63

  • guest

    This attempt at revisionist history and fortune telling is both simplistic and inaccurate. No one can predict what would have happened on the peninsula without US intervention and without decades of US aggression had the war turned out differently. Furthermore, South Korea after the war was a US backed military dictatorship for three decades. Democracy came after years of uprisings by students, labor unions, liberals, and leftists. The US supported the violent suppression of these efforts, most famously at Gwangju in the 1980s. The US gets no credit for democracy in SK or the three inches. The latter is due to effective nationalist agricultural policies that the US opposed in favor of enforced liberalization, which decimated the domestic rice and grain market. Open a freaking book you a-holes….or at least read Wikipedia. Can you manage that?

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "Open a freaking book you a-holes….or at least read Wikipedia"

      Wikipedia is not a source. Its pages some times lists sources, which can be good. Judge every position according to it's evidence, not its publisher.

      Thinking you're the only one who knows how to read leads me to think you found the first book that pleased you and assumed "it" was the truth. You might have some legitimate contributions to add, but it seems like you've been taken in by revisionists yourself.

      "The US gets no credit for democracy in SK"

      True. China was planning on using Korea to test liberal democracy. I remember some hippy telling me that.

      Please. Read books, but read more than one or two.

      • Dan

        Neither side in the Korean War wanted or helped democracy in SK. In fact, the US government did a lot to help SK dictators put down democratic uprisings.

        That being said, it is extremely probable that if SK was defeated Korea would not be democratic today.

        But even if PSY is completely grateful for the UN and especially US intervention in Korea, does that not allow Koreans to have negative opinions about the invasion of Iraq and the crimes of Abu Ghraib?

        My grandfather fought in Korea (for Canada) and I am very proud of him. Life in SK today is quite wonderful thanks to the UN forces and the sacrifice of democrats since the war. I still reserve judgement over wars like Iraq and Afghanistan. This is the beauty of democracy — South Koreans have the right to any opinion.

        • Drakken

          There were no crimes at Abu Grabazz moron, PC madness with stupidity at it's finest.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "There were no crimes at Abu Grabazz moron, PC madness with stupidity at it's finest."

            Wait, didn't they hurt religious feelings? That's against the law already, isn't it?

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "Neither side in the Korean War wanted or helped democracy in SK. In fact, the US government did a lot to help SK dictators put down democratic uprisings."

          It's true the war did not have Korean democracy as its immediate goal. Nobody claimed that. If it were deemed possible, I'm sure it would have been. When has the USA stood against democracy where it didn't have a strong rational justification? If you want to count 0'Bama, fine but that's only because the lefitsts have redefined the word, "democracy" (along with a huge, endless list of other words) to be consistent with their eventual goal of communism under a new name.

          "That being said, it is extremely probable that if SK was defeated Korea would not be democratic today. "

          There's an understatement. Korea was for a time THE front of the cold war. Compromises are made under such circumstances. Without the USA, there would be no democracy there. You can bank on that and few would seriously disagree with you unless they were trying to make a point they had an emotional stake in.

          "But even if PSY is completely grateful for the UN and especially US intervention in Korea, does that not allow Koreans to have negative opinions about the invasion of Iraq and the crimes of Abu Ghraib?"

          The photos were only shocking because we expect so much from the West. They have no right to act as they did by blowing it out of proportion without getting a rhetorical reply, but they can pass any judgment that they want. There is no international law against hypocrisy.

          • Dan

            "Extremely probable" is an understatement? Jeeze, you just can't win with some people!

          • objectivefactsmatter

            ""Extremely probable" is an understatement? Jeeze, you just can't win with some people!"

            OK Dan, you're the winner! Yeah! Do you want a hug too? It's interesting what you choose to respond to, because it of course also reveals what you ignore. You can't say you didn't have time…

            Please don't be so sensitive. It bogs down the discussion. You do want to be understood, right? So focus on explaining your positions.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "Life in SK today is quite wonderful thanks to the UN forces and the sacrifice of democrats since the war."

          Nice to see you show some appreciation.

          "I still reserve judgement over wars like Iraq and Afghanistan."

          The wars that began around a decade ago are over. These are different wars due to too much compromise with leftist liars and their dupes.

          "This is the beauty of democracy — South Koreans have the right to any opinion."

          Sure, but you're now drifting way off the point. The article is critical of Psy as a role model, not as a citizen of the world or of Korea. He should be free to do what he wants, but not feted. He would never be discussed here unless he was held up as a role model of some kind.

          It's amazing how often people miss the point. The left says that conservatives hate, so that explains every issue they raise. Ignore all of the other issues because there are none. They just hate everyone and adjust all of your rhetoric towards contending against their hate.

          • Dan

            Hahahaha, ridiculous.

            The article is critical of Psy for telling people to kill Americans — which he didn't do!

            Also, Psy's comments (what he ACTUALLY said) were made in 2004. So they were, in fact, quite timely and not out-dated at all.

            You're literally the one missing the point. You've argued yourself into a pretzel. It's kind of sad to watch.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "The article is critical of Psy for telling people to kill Americans — which he didn't do! "

            The article is critical of him to support the point that he is not a good role model, not that he has no right to be a putz.

            You need to read and make sure you understand before you write left-handed replies. I notice that of course you didn't quote me, hoping that others will assume you accurately paraphrased me somehow, which you did not. It was either intentional, or I previously over-estimated your intelligence. I really do give people the benefit of any doubt. That doubt is fading fast.

            Again, it's amazing how often people miss the point, even when they're explicitly cautioned about doing so.

            THE ARTICLE IS CRITICAL OF FETING HIM because of his anti-American lyrics that called for killing families of American soldiers who are alleged to have killed Iraqis.

            He's otherwise a nobody, relatively harmless among Western "rap" performers. He's not a role model any politician should elevate. That is the most salient point of the article. If you didn't get it, then you didn't get it.

    • Drakken

      Well if leftist folks like you think this way, maybe we should have just let the Japanese keep it, they would have kept the Chinese out.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "Well if leftist folks like you think this way, maybe we should have just let the Japanese keep it, they would have kept the Chinese out."

        Japanese? Who are they? They're all peaceful, no thanks to the USA!!!

        Using history out of context is an art form to the left. They know how easy it is to get away with now that almost every student in the West has been brainwashed 3+ generations.

  • Ghostwriter

    Well,I doubt that the Korean immigrants to America and their descendants would like Psy. They're too busy becoming Americans. And as for guest,would you like a Korea under the control of the Kim dynasty. From what I've heard of North Korea,it's terrible. That's what you seem to want for South Koreans. The same tyranny,the same misery that their Northern cousins must face every day.

  • kathy

    til I saw the check that said $5790, I did not believe …that…my best friend could actualey earning money in their spare time at their computer.. there uncle started doing this for under seven months and as of now paid for the loans on there condo and purchased a top of the range Fiat Multipla. go to,……… Bit40.ℂOℳ

    • BS77

      Go back to elementary school Kathy.

  • objectivefactsmatter

    I love when liberals and critics of the right come to play. Bring your best game and be prepared to live up to your own declared standards and ideals.

  • Johnconrad

    That is truly funny.

    "We cannot possibly know what would have happened in South Korea"

    Amazing logic.

    Likely the same person that ripped me for predicting the "Islamic Republic of Egypt" would be the result of Barack's fetid "Arab Spring"

  • Why?

    What I love is how the "guest" above simply asserted his points–sans any form of support or backup or…………anything at all.

    And this–and of course the seemingly required vulgerism–is what passes for "thought" on the Left.

    Why bother to even post at all if that is the sum total of your contribution?

  • Guest

    Sometimes it's helpful to look at political issues as if they involved just people and you can see beyond the issues, human nature, which is not always nice. Let's say a husand and wife take their two beloved sons, North and South, to a swimming pool. Neither the mother nor father can swim. That's Korea, worn down by foreign domination for almost a hundred years at the time of the Korean War. Nor is there a lifeguard at the pool, because God stays in heaven. A bully, the Communists, throws North and South in the pool. Another person at the pool, the U.S., dives into the water. But for whatever reason, he is exhausted trying to save both boys and lets North go to save South. Will the reaction of the parents be one of unalloyed joy? No. In fact, if they blame themselves, they may blame the rescuer the more. If only he had not done this or that or been different in some way. Only time will heal this wound.

  • Face the facts

    Well next time the need help we might as well sit back and watch. If we keep risking our lives for the other counties that want nothing to do with us we're just hurting ourselves. Its sad to think that soooo many Americans died for the mans family and he doesnt have enough sense to think about. Year after year the US helps any country they can no matter what, we do what ever we can to try and substane as much peace as possible and look, its like the children coming back and biting the hand that feeds them. It doesnt matter if he ever apoligizes because things like that are never missed or forgotten. We will always remember the people we tried to help, even if the do decieve us. An apology will NEVER be enough, and someday he will be punished by God for being so ungrateful towards the saviours of his country. Remember that.

  • http://gigzsuperclub.com/ Jerome Cassidy

    You do have a point there. The world wouldn't be dancing to Gangnam Style if the North overwhelmed the South all those decades ago.