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	<title>Comments on: Government Health Care Horror Stories from Norway</title>
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		<title>By: Gnask</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gnask]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jan 2014 07:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, pretty much.  

Yes, there&#039;s failures in the sytem here, but it&#039;s not the way he makes it out.  Things are just odd about the anecdotes.  You don&#039;t make appointments at the &quot;ER&quot; here.  You&#039;ll never be denied treatement for lack of beign able to pay either.  They send you a bill if you can&#039;t pay (unless you&#039;re going private of course).

It is true that suing doctors isn&#039;t so cut and dry, you have to have a sufficent level of malpractice.  But, that doesn&#039;t mean you can&#039;t get compensation.  There&#039;s an independant board who handles those, with a seperate board who handles appeals.  The ssytem is designed to that everyone has the right to seek compensation, not just the ones who can afford to pay a lawyer.

As for the woman with breast cancer, what the author fails to translate is that they changed their policy to do their own diagnosis pretty quick.  The newspaper tries to take credit for that, but that&#039;s just typical overinflated journalistic ego.

As for the man with the tumor, yeah wrong diagnosis can happen.  It&#039;s horribly tragic when it does, and it happens everywhere. Oh, and the author failed to translate the most important bit of that article.  Pasient injury compensation board approved compensation for him.  So yeah, there was an official aknowledgement something went very wrong there.  Yes, the doctor can have consequences for that too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, pretty much.  </p>
<p>Yes, there&#8217;s failures in the sytem here, but it&#8217;s not the way he makes it out.  Things are just odd about the anecdotes.  You don&#8217;t make appointments at the &#8220;ER&#8221; here.  You&#8217;ll never be denied treatement for lack of beign able to pay either.  They send you a bill if you can&#8217;t pay (unless you&#8217;re going private of course).</p>
<p>It is true that suing doctors isn&#8217;t so cut and dry, you have to have a sufficent level of malpractice.  But, that doesn&#8217;t mean you can&#8217;t get compensation.  There&#8217;s an independant board who handles those, with a seperate board who handles appeals.  The ssytem is designed to that everyone has the right to seek compensation, not just the ones who can afford to pay a lawyer.</p>
<p>As for the woman with breast cancer, what the author fails to translate is that they changed their policy to do their own diagnosis pretty quick.  The newspaper tries to take credit for that, but that&#8217;s just typical overinflated journalistic ego.</p>
<p>As for the man with the tumor, yeah wrong diagnosis can happen.  It&#8217;s horribly tragic when it does, and it happens everywhere. Oh, and the author failed to translate the most important bit of that article.  Pasient injury compensation board approved compensation for him.  So yeah, there was an official aknowledgement something went very wrong there.  Yes, the doctor can have consequences for that too.</p>
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		<title>By: Gnask</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/bruce-bawer/government-health-care-horror-stories-from-norway/comment-page-1/#comment-5343387</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gnask]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jan 2014 06:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was touted as being a great healthcare system by Michael Moore, who also claims that Cuba has the best healthcare sytem in the world.  I&#039;ve travelled there extensively, have made a doctor friend, and I can tell you, that&#039;s not even remotely the case.  

They have good doctors, sure.  But thanks to the embargo, they have massive medication shortages, sometimes even shortages of things like bandages.  Hosptials often don&#039;t have glass in their windows, you have to bring your own sheets, and you often have to pay bribes to get care in a reasonable time.

Suffice it to say, his claims mean less than nothing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was touted as being a great healthcare system by Michael Moore, who also claims that Cuba has the best healthcare sytem in the world.  I&#8217;ve travelled there extensively, have made a doctor friend, and I can tell you, that&#8217;s not even remotely the case.  </p>
<p>They have good doctors, sure.  But thanks to the embargo, they have massive medication shortages, sometimes even shortages of things like bandages.  Hosptials often don&#8217;t have glass in their windows, you have to bring your own sheets, and you often have to pay bribes to get care in a reasonable time.</p>
<p>Suffice it to say, his claims mean less than nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mimi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mimi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Dec 2013 16:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This blogger is a Fellow of Journalism? Really? Allegories with made-up names? The worst is a thumb blister because of a too-tight bandage? Or a snide remark by a doctor. This is hardly a horror story. And it&#039;s not journalism.


So 281,000 Norwegians are awaiting a medical treatment. So I am -- I have an annual eye exam in two months. Are these the kinds of stats you&#039;re using.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This blogger is a Fellow of Journalism? Really? Allegories with made-up names? The worst is a thumb blister because of a too-tight bandage? Or a snide remark by a doctor. This is hardly a horror story. And it&#8217;s not journalism.</p>
<p>So 281,000 Norwegians are awaiting a medical treatment. So I am &#8212; I have an annual eye exam in two months. Are these the kinds of stats you&#8217;re using.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Osborne</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam Osborne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2013 22:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The author of this propaganda piece probably ought to get himself a new imaginary source for his tale and think up a much more astounding chain of events that runs from a need for simple first-aid which through neglect ends up with the victim of neglect infecting the entire human race with a disease that has evolved out of the mistreatment of Norwegian universal health-care system 

But oh, don’t use that word “evolved.” Instead make the medical calamity due to God’s revenge that He has been harboring toward Cesar ever since one of Cesar government boys, Pontius Pilate, washed his hand of God’s Only Begotten Son---evolution does not play well with the religious right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author of this propaganda piece probably ought to get himself a new imaginary source for his tale and think up a much more astounding chain of events that runs from a need for simple first-aid which through neglect ends up with the victim of neglect infecting the entire human race with a disease that has evolved out of the mistreatment of Norwegian universal health-care system </p>
<p>But oh, don’t use that word “evolved.” Instead make the medical calamity due to God’s revenge that He has been harboring toward Cesar ever since one of Cesar government boys, Pontius Pilate, washed his hand of God’s Only Begotten Son&#8212;evolution does not play well with the religious right.</p>
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		<title>By: Callum Green</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Callum Green]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2013 16:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It says Michael Moore called it a great system. I don&#039;t see how that has any relevance to anything I&#039;ve said? Though as someone who wouldn&#039;t be able to afford decent medical insurance, I know which system I think is &quot;great&quot; - and it certainly isn&#039;t the US...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It says Michael Moore called it a great system. I don&#8217;t see how that has any relevance to anything I&#8217;ve said? Though as someone who wouldn&#8217;t be able to afford decent medical insurance, I know which system I think is &#8220;great&#8221; &#8211; and it certainly isn&#8217;t the US&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Betty Bryant</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Betty Bryant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Oct 2013 23:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Didn&#039;t the article say that Norway was touted as an example of a great system?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t the article say that Norway was touted as an example of a great system?</p>
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		<title>By: Callum Green</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Callum Green]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 19:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Absolute rubbish. Not one of the failings you highlighted is the result of it being a &quot;socialist system&quot; - it is the result of a badly implemented system.


Just like the similar list of horror stories you&#039;ll find in the US aren&#039;t a result of it being a capitalist system (well, excluding the people who die/suffer because they can&#039;t afford to pay) - they are the result of a badly implemented system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolute rubbish. Not one of the failings you highlighted is the result of it being a &#8220;socialist system&#8221; &#8211; it is the result of a badly implemented system.</p>
<p>Just like the similar list of horror stories you&#8217;ll find in the US aren&#8217;t a result of it being a capitalist system (well, excluding the people who die/suffer because they can&#8217;t afford to pay) &#8211; they are the result of a badly implemented system.</p>
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		<title>By: Rozsa</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rozsa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jul 2013 10:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I enjoyed the insight into another medical system. I went to medical school in Romania and literally got disgusted of doctoring and authoritarian attitude. The meaning of M.D. or Dr. is something completely different for the majority of doctors there. I even witnessed the skirt being ripped off a patient at a gynecology ward. How insane is that?! I would love to have long conversations with your dad just so he can give my hope back. Hope he shared great stories with you...


Greetings from a Hungarian doctor to be]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed the insight into another medical system. I went to medical school in Romania and literally got disgusted of doctoring and authoritarian attitude. The meaning of M.D. or Dr. is something completely different for the majority of doctors there. I even witnessed the skirt being ripped off a patient at a gynecology ward. How insane is that?! I would love to have long conversations with your dad just so he can give my hope back. Hope he shared great stories with you&#8230;</p>
<p>Greetings from a Hungarian doctor to be</p>
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		<title>By: Free Samples</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Free Samples]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 06:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Massive blog it is! Although i have found some health care horror stories from here and by reading these stories i have understood the condition of health sector in Norway and i don&#039;t know what to say but it&#039;s totally alarming situation over there and that is why government should take step to remove this problem. Thanks   
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Massive blog it is! Although i have found some health care horror stories from here and by reading these stories i have understood the condition of health sector in Norway and i don&#039;t know what to say but it&#039;s totally alarming situation over there and that is why government should take step to remove this problem. Thanks   </p>
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		<title>By: Peter Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/bruce-bawer/government-health-care-horror-stories-from-norway/comment-page-1/#comment-4655864</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Andy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Apr 2013 09:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Health is wealth! We are going to our doctor to escape from our illness but when they would become the reason to increase our pain that is quietly bed news. I think that every doctor should take care about matter. Thanks!  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Health is wealth! We are going to our doctor to escape from our illness but when they would become the reason to increase our pain that is quietly bed news. I think that every doctor should take care about matter. Thanks!  </p>
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		<title>By: fahidag</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fahidag]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2013 11:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a pity that Fjordman&#039;s critique doesn&#039;t include his reasoning for why Bawer should have attacked his latest work &#039;from a different angle&#039;. I think the title of the work is very effective, and it certainly leaves no doubt in this commentors mind of the treachery that is the current &#039;status quo&#039; of modern day Norweigian government &lt;a href=&quot;http://.www.kolibrimedical.com,vitalhudklinikk.no,cosmedica.no&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;.www.kolibrimedical.com,vitalhudklinikk.no,cosmedica.no&lt;/a&gt; 
 
I&#039;ll buy the book too! ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s a pity that Fjordman&#039;s critique doesn&#039;t include his reasoning for why Bawer should have attacked his latest work &#039;from a different angle&#039;. I think the title of the work is very effective, and it certainly leaves no doubt in this commentors mind of the treachery that is the current &#039;status quo&#039; of modern day Norweigian government <a href="http://.www.kolibrimedical.com,vitalhudklinikk.no,cosmedica.no" rel="nofollow">.www.kolibrimedical.com,vitalhudklinikk.no,cosmedica.no</a> </p>
<p>I&#039;ll buy the book too! </p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tracy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Premiere of one of the eastern seaboard provinces (I can&#039;t remember which one at the moment) went to the States for a medical procedure. It was all over the media at the time. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Premiere of one of the eastern seaboard provinces (I can&#039;t remember which one at the moment) went to the States for a medical procedure. It was all over the media at the time. </p>
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		<title>By: Garm</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Garm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did you consider that those stories might not be true? 
 
I mean, on the one hand you got anecdotes about someone someone else knows, and on the other hand you got hard numbers from actual counting. 
 
Really, records are kept of how may people come to the US for medical treatment each year. 80 000 in total, including all countries and all vanity surgery. 
 
Numbers for how many leave for medical treatment are less certain, but somewhere between 1-1,5 million. Its one of the most brutal rejections of a system by citizens voting with their feet since East Germany. 
 
This whole inabilityto relate to the real world if it doesn&#039;t conform to what you expect isn&#039;t very functional. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you consider that those stories might not be true? </p>
<p>I mean, on the one hand you got anecdotes about someone someone else knows, and on the other hand you got hard numbers from actual counting. </p>
<p>Really, records are kept of how may people come to the US for medical treatment each year. 80 000 in total, including all countries and all vanity surgery. </p>
<p>Numbers for how many leave for medical treatment are less certain, but somewhere between 1-1,5 million. Its one of the most brutal rejections of a system by citizens voting with their feet since East Germany. </p>
<p>This whole inabilityto relate to the real world if it doesn&#039;t conform to what you expect isn&#039;t very functional. </p>
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		<title>By: Garm</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Garm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you&#039;ll find first world nations keep pretty good records.  
 
At some point, Americans must stop making excuses for the system and start working to improve it. This denial-of-reality thing is the fasttrack to has-been status. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#039;ll find first world nations keep pretty good records.  </p>
<p>At some point, Americans must stop making excuses for the system and start working to improve it. This denial-of-reality thing is the fasttrack to has-been status. </p>
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		<title>By: Mary Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Sue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 06:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[we don&#039;t need no stinking &#039;death panels&#039; for that. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we don&#039;t need no stinking &#039;death panels&#039; for that. </p>
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		<title>By: Mary Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Sue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 06:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[they don&#039;t tell you about the ones that die. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they don&#039;t tell you about the ones that die. </p>
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		<title>By: Mary Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Sue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 06:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[still not free.  It costs something. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>still not free.  It costs something. </p>
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		<title>By: Mary Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Sue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 06:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[it&#039;s not busted.  I hear regularly about people who can&#039;t get timely treatment in Canada or who can&#039;t find the specialist they need in Canada, so they HAVE to go to USA. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#039;s not busted.  I hear regularly about people who can&#039;t get timely treatment in Canada or who can&#039;t find the specialist they need in Canada, so they HAVE to go to USA. </p>
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		<title>By: Ghostwriter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ghostwriter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I doubt many Europeans want Americans copying their health care system. It&#039;s simply not very good. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt many Europeans want Americans copying their health care system. It&#039;s simply not very good. </p>
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		<title>By: Loyal Achates</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Loyal Achates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So then why are the Norwegians healthier, live longer, and pay less for health care? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So then why are the Norwegians healthier, live longer, and pay less for health care? </p>
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