Jew-Hatred in Norway


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On Wednesday, June 13, during an Internet search, I ran across a left-wing Norwegian blog with which I was previously unfamiliar.  The posting I stumbled upon dated back to February and was concerned with what it described as my many lies about Norway.  Chief among these lies, apparently, is my claim that “there is strong antisemitism in Norway’s ‘elite.’”  The blogger claimed to find this claim outrageous.  “Does he not know the labour party [sic] has historical strong ties with Israel? That a recent prime minister was a devoted friend of Israel?”

Less than an hour later, I followed a link in my inbox to a just-posted Jerusalem Post article by Benjamin Weinthal headlined “Norwegian student in Oslo burns Jewish pupil.”  The story, which was originally reported on June 12 by a Norwegian Jewish blog, Med Israel for Fred (With Israel for Peace) – MIFF for short – was straightforward enough: on June 11, at an Oslo secondary school barbecue, an ethnic Norwegian student had burned a Jewish classmate with a red-hot coin, leaving “a very visible burn on the boy’s neck.”  In a letter to Norway’s Minister of Justice, Grete Faremo, the Simon Wiesenthal Center complained that “this child has been the subject of anti-Semitic bullying and violence for the past two years, reportedly, because his father is Israeli,” but that “there has been no reaction by the school, the police or governmental authorities.”  The Wiesenthal Center complained that “the silence of the school, the police and your government is too reminiscent of another Norway, under the WWII Nazi collaborator, Quisling.”

Vebjørn Dysvik, Norway’s chargé d’affaires in Tel Aviv, told the Post in an e-mail that he knew nothing more about the case than what had already been reported and insisted that “the Norwegian government has a zero-tolerance policy when it comes to bullying in schools.”  But Dysvik didn’t leave it at that.  He also took the occasion to complain that the letter from the Simon Wiesenthal Center “contains several extreme statements that lack any foundation in reality. We take exception to the attempt of painting a picture of Norway and Norwegian society as being anti-Semitic. This is a gross distortion of facts for which the Center must bear responsibility.”

The very fact that Dysvik felt comfortable slapping back at the Simon Wiesenthal Center in this snotty manner reflects the Norwegian government’s exceedingly different way of responding to charges of anti-Semitism, which is a very real and escalating problem in Norway, and to charges of “Islamophobia,” that invention of the Muslim Brotherhood which, in Norway as elsewhere, is employed by the usual suspects to manipulate nervous multiculturalists.  Clearly, while Norwegian officials like Dysvik are terrified of offending Muslims, they are not terribly worried about offending Jews.

But the main point here is that Dysvik’s glib rejection of the Wiesenthal Center’s charges is an offense against reality.  As Weinthal writes, “Norway’s school system has permitted an increasingly hostile climate for Jewish pupils….Critics say Jewish students have been subject to assaults in Norway’s schools, and teachers have simply looked the other way.”  A recent report on anti-Semitism in Norway by the Norwegian Holocaust Center explicitly states something that any halfway conscious person in the country already knows – namely, that the Norwegian media play a major role in disseminating and reinforcing anti-Semitism.  (In this context, it’s worth noting that, immediately after reading Weinthal’s article, I carried out a series of Google searches in an attempt to discover whether the barbecue incident had been covered by any Norwegian media other than the MIFF blog.  Only one item turned up: a story that had been posted an hour earlier on the website of Vårt Land, a small, Christian, Israel-friendly daily newspaper.)

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  • Alvaro

    I fixed the sentence for you, Bawer: "Muslims and Jews must always be depicted as the #1 victims of prejudice, no matter what the facts may be."

    • stern

      What an unbelievably asinine post. Spend less than a minute looking up the numbers and you will find that world-wide, attacks against Jews outnumber attacks against Muslims (except, of course, attacks against Muslims BY Muslims) by a huge percentage. Jews are not "depicted" as the #1 victims of prejudice. THEY ARE.

      In other words, do some research before you post and you may not appear to be such an idiot.

      • Alvaro

        "Spend less than a minute looking up the numbers and you will find that world-wide, attacks against Jews outnumber attacks against Muslims (except, of course, attacks against Muslims BY Muslims) by a huge percentage. Jews are not "depicted" as the #1 victims of prejudice. THEY ARE."

        Everyone knows that Jews are a lot worse off in Norway than Muslims, despite Muslims trying to convince us otherwise. As for being the #1 victims of prejudice, I honestly believe the few Gypsies in Norway are a lot worse off than Jews. They are very few, have very few resources, few supporters and almost everyone dislike them. But don't think that will stop Bawer.

        At least there are several Christian organizations and minor newspapers in Norway who even seem to like Jews and Israel better than Norwegians and Norway. We have had several Jewish members of Stortinget, including former President of Stortinget, Jo Benkow. Even our current prime minister Jens Stoltenberg is supposedly of Jewish-Polish descent. And outside the ghetto schools of Oslo, Jews will have very few problems in Norway, and personally I don't care who people are or where they are from as long as they abide by the law and respect the country.

        My short "asinine" comment above was not directed at Jews in general, but at Bruce Bawer personally. No offense to anyone else was intended. This man browses the web for any obscure story to sling mud at the country he himself chose to live in. The first of these stories is one of a Jewish kid who gets burnt by a Norwegian kid, using the extremists of MIFF as a source. (Which is about as neutral as citing a Hamas source on Israel.) I'll admit I have as little knowledge of the case as Bawer, but we do not know the Norwegian's motivation for doing so. However, the very article Bawer linked to shows that several of the other pupils stated he was not the only pupil getting burnt, but that he sustained more serious injuries because the warm coin fell off a stick and down into his sweater. It seems it was just some sort of prank gone bad.

        Another of Bawer's google hits shows Senterpartiet's suggestion to ban male circumcision. Norway banned female circumsition a few years ago, and the bill was probably intended to ban all sorts of genital mutilation on children. The bill will never pass, though, because Senterpartiet is a small party and none of the major parties support them.

        • Choi

          "Warm Coin"?
          As in RED-HOT.
          The Jewish kid wasn't just BURNED,he was BRANDED.
          Your Norway is still BENDING OVER BACKWARDS for the Fascist INVADERS,and your whole country are QUISLINGS!

          • Alvaro

            ""Warm Coin"?
            As in RED-HOT."

            Such drama.

            "The Jewish kid wasn't just BURNED,he was BRANDED."

            Burned like several others, his classmates are saying – by accident.

            "Your Norway is still BENDING OVER BACKWARDS for the Fascist INVADERS,and your whole country are QUISLINGS!"

            What about collaboration with Saudi-Arabia? Who are bending over for their interests these days?

    • HoR_Emperor

      Nonsense.

    • RUI

      Nice try. The jewish clause only included jews, or did you correct that too?

      Just the facts imam, just the facts!

      • Alvaro

        No, the "Jewish clause" also included Jesuits and monastic orders.

  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    norway has always been socialist fascist.

    norway needs more More Breviks.

  • logdon

    A few months ago the British Yesterday channel aired a series on WW2 Nazi collaborators within occupied Europe. Each nation, of course had their very own vile weasels which I'd split into the opportunist and ideological camps.

    Then again, Ukraine and Estonia, worked on a 'my enemy's enemy is my friend' mindset as they figured who was worse, the Russians or Germans? Many favoured the 'liberating' Germans and joining in with fascists meant signing up to the whole deal including homicidal anti-semitism. It was, disgracefully, considered 'normal'.

    Norway wasn't like that and many fitted into an Aryan framework of fellow travelers for whom Naziism was a natural course to adopt.

    The term Quisling is branded into history as the mark of utmost treachery and Vidkund Quisling is the rightful owner.

    He raised a whole army of Norwegians only too willing to goose step their way to a second class power, always subservient to their Berliner paymasters yet harbouring delusions of tyranical grandeur and a master race mentality.

    The twists and turns as Hitler the puppetmaster dangled these people into dancing a macabre jig of complicity is worthy of a whole study of what happens when the weak worship the strong. In essence they get walked over.

    Denied any real leverage, all they have in the armory of power is bluster and grovelling.

    It's a sorry tale and one which must surely resonate right now. Only worse!

    We have the military and genuine moral right to put Islam back into its box yet have we seen any sign of the spine of Churchill who, defying the pacifists and it must be said a large amount of public opinion fearful of the slaughter of WW1 were reluctant to see the writing on the wall.

    We prevaricated with the 'Peace in our Time' policy until the humiliating slaps of the Anschluss, Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia and finally, Poland forced our hand.

    Jumping seventy years, if 9/11 wasn't our Poland, surely this is?
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

    Enough there to convince even the most hardened Islamophile yet the trope of religion of peace holds sway in the corridors of power and their msm enablers.

    I wonder, what will it take?

    • Alvaro

      "Norway wasn't like that and many fitted into an Aryan framework of fellow travelers for whom Naziism was a natural course to adopt."

      Norway was exactly like other countries close to the Soviet Union: The Soviet Union was among many viewed as an enormous threat. (In addition the Norwegian Labor Party in government was not that many years ago a member of the Comintern, taking orders from Moscow.)

      The liberal democratic political parties were on the defensive in all of Europe due to the 1930s financial crisis, where people in Europe not only lost faith in capitalism, but also to a certain extent in democracy as well. But in contrast to most other European countries, Norway never had a strong fascist party, and antisemitism was never popularized.

      By any standards, Quisling's party was a joke. It got a mere 1,41 percent of the votes in the 1936 election.

      "He raised a whole army of Norwegians only too willing to goose step their way to a second class power, always subservient to their Berliner paymasters yet harbouring delusions of tyranical grandeur and a master race mentality."

      You are way off. The only Norwegians fighting on the German side was a mere 6.000 volunteers for the SS, and of those, most of them had fought in the Norwegian army in 1940 and they were for the most part motivated to fight against a Europe dominated by communism. I have not seen a single example of a Norwegian SS man who volunteered because of a master race mentality. There may have been, of course, but they have certainly been the exception and not the rule.

  • Chezwick

    Norway may be further along than other Western European countries, but it is certainly not unique. The re-emergence of a virulent antisemitism on the Continent is just one more example of a gradual but inexorable Islamization.

    One wonders if US policy-makers are at all preparing for a future when Europe will complete its transition to Islam and adopt policies that are overtly inimical to the interests of the USA?

    • Drakken

      Do not underestimate the Europeans yet my friend, the population of natives is getting extremely restless and the more the socialist try to stamp out dissent the more the day of reckoning is coming. The govts of Europe are scared of their own and don't know what to do about it, the tipping point is here and is a mere incident away.

  • StephenD

    Mr. Bawer, I have to correct you in one statement. You said:

    "…the hatred for Jews that is a prominent feature of the Islamic holy books…."

    This cannot possibly be true; Islam having HOLY books that is.

    • HoR_Emperor

      Shut it, anti-Semite and anti-Christian troll scum.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      Why not read the entire chapter you hate filled bigot?

      This is what some call 'context'.

      How about starting in 2:7, then read down to 14 instead, shall we?

      7 But we were gentle in the midst of you, as when a nurse cherisheth her own children:

      8 even so, being affectionately desirous of you, we were well pleased to impart unto you, not the gospel of God only, but also our own souls, because ye were become very dear to us.

      9 For ye remember, brethren, our labor and travail: working night and day, that we might not burden any of you, we preached unto you the gospel of God.

      10 Ye are witnesses, and God also, how holily and righteously and unblameably we behaved ourselves toward you that believe:

      11 as ye know how we dealt with each one of you, as a father with his own children, exhorting you, and encouraging you, and testifying,

      12 to the end that ye should walk worthily of God, who calleth you into his own kingdom and glory.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        I think people have the drift, you expose yourself so often.

        So, what happened you ran out of money and needed to work enough for the next drink?

      • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

        Ha! Anti-semetic? if he meant all Jews then he would mean the wrath of God has come on him too, and the apostles, and many of the believers. (Hint: PAUL WAS A JEW!)

        I know this is really hard to understand (Actually it's not,, I've said it many many times, but the author of this is a JEW, as was the APOSTLES and JESUS, so reading this as a blanket hatred of Jews is COMPLETELY dishonest

        • Jesusinator

          Hitler was part Jewish <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            I doubt Hitler really identified much with his Jewishness, since it was not within his ideals of a "master race" and how much he considered Jews inferior. Maybe you forgot the little thing call Auschwitz, or how it and others were used to weed out the "inferior" races and peoples (inc. gay people), or how a parr of the nazi ideology was physical charactaristics that were identified as "inferior" (hint Jews had the "inferior" characteristics)? If he did indeed identify, and acknowledged with Jewishness then he'd have to send himself to a death camp as inferior! You see how all your arguments are illogical, and how your arguments completely ignore the reality of history?

      • Drakken

        Please why not just come out and say it, you love the muslims and will side with them when the Troubles come.

        • Jesusinator

          Your're dumber than I thought. Why not just come out and say it. You would love to hear us drop some clusters bombs on some synagogues and follow up with napalm. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • Drakken

            Yeah you keep on thinking there shortbus. What's the matter? Did I give you a litte case of the vapors??

          • Jesusinator

            Nope, I just love pointing out your ignorance. Thanks for making it so easy <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • Drakken

            Silly little jihad lover, keep trying shortbus.

    • Chiggles

      Does anyone else find this thread confusing?

  • http://battleforheaven.blogspot.no/ Chris Osborn

    I'd just like to note that Muslims also circumcise their baby boys, not just jews. So a law banning the practice would effect a lot more people who are muslim than people who are jewish. The fact is, may Norwegians simply see the act of cutting a baby's penis to be barbaric no matter the religious affiliation of the parents.

    I don't really have a comment on the rest of it, I haven't been living in Norway long enough to know too much about these things.

  • Fair Minded

    Why is it that any criticism whatsoever of Israeli government policy is immediately branded as antisemitism or Jew-hatred? Guess what, the Israeli government is not perfect, just like any other earthly government, so sometimes criticism is warranted. There is a difference between Jews and Israel! One is a very diverse religious group (from moderate to extremist), the other is a country with a hawkish administration in power.

    Not all Jewish people have the exact same opinion on absolutely everything, and if you think they do, then maybe you are the anti-semite.

    Also, if you think there is more Jew-hatred in Norway than Muslim-hatred then you have never been to Norway, nor have you ever read the comments section of any article ever published online. Ever heard of Anders Breivik? He shares many of your delusions about Islam taking over Europe, you would get along very well. Give me a link to article on the internet that doesn't have some anti-Muslim troll spouting off his phobia that Muslims are taking over Europe (whatever that means), or that Muslims are <insert insult here>. You can't do it.

    Double standards as usual, you take offense at any comment that even remotely criticizes something Israeli, and then you deride and mock Muslims to your heart's content. Most Muslims I've met are just regular people trying to put a roof over their head and a meal on their plate, they couldn't care less about "conquering Europe" or any other nonsense the paranoid delusionals would have you believe. Many Muslims I know drink, mock Mohammed, don't really believe in the Koran (your old testament), but in the interests of tradition and out of respect for ancestral heritage, they call themselves Muslims. You unfairly deride these innocent people, along with a billion others, when you make all encompassing statements about Islam.

    You need to learn to make a distinction between radical (political) Muslims, and the innocent secular (moderate) Muslims that only want to live in peace and prosperity just like anybody else, and couldn't care less about any of this nonsense.

    You really are a hateful group of people you anti-Muslim crusaders, you are part of the problem; that problem is extremism and hatred.

    I expect this comment to be censored for no good reason.

    • Judas

      "Why is it that any criticism whatsoever of Israeli government policy is immediately branded as antisemitism or Jew-hatred?"

      It's not, that is the latest Jew Hating accusation. It's the content of the critisism , and context that is labelled "Jew Hatred". When lies are used to frame Israel as (for example) and "Apartheid State" or "Occuping Palestinian land" that is in fact indefesible Jew Hatred. There are many as you stated that do critisize the Government, but demonizing and criminalizing them is what is considered anti-Semitic.

      Ultimately, to side with a group like Hamas, a well known terrorist organization, instead of a country like Israel that offers more freedom and a better quality of life than any other country in that region, you have to doubt the sincerity of the critic.

    • Judas

      "You need to learn to make a distinction between radical (political) Muslims, and the innocent secular (moderate) Muslims that only want to live in peace and prosperity just like anybody else, and couldn't care less about any of this nonsense. "

      But the radical oppressors and murderers are running the show.

      "You really are a hateful group of people you anti-Muslim crusaders, you are part of the problem; that problem is extremism and hatred. "

      If in fact we are "Anti Muslim" as you slandered, why is it the holliest place in Israel to Jews, is still a Mosque? The sacred Temple Mount in Jerusalem, a place called in the bible, "The Holy of Hollies" has a Mosque on it? Why is it with the superior military technology that the Israeli's have, Gaza is not currently a parking lot?

      The answer is simple, for those Westerners who only believe the blood liable about ISrael pushed by their far leftist frindge governments and media, you are just to close minded to ever know any better.

    • Lan Astaslem

      it should be censored for its ignorance – desecrating Jewish cemeteries is not about criticism of Israel you dolt

      • Fair Minded

        Can you even read? Where did I say it was?

    • Indioviejo

      You own your words and they show your naked soul. You show yourself to be a stupid fanatic, but then, were would you hide when the time comes to deal with people like you? You project another genocide on the Jews, but be careful what you wish for because you may be opening up a can of worms. Or whupass!

      • Jesusinator

        I do not project another genocide on the Jews. The Jews are good people. The Israeli goverenment is not. See the difference?

        Deal with people like me? You mean the people tired of watching religious groupd slaughter each other over their man made gods? I'll take my chances

        At least with your comment youshowed you're a simple minded brainwashed sheep.

        • HoR_Emperor

          More hatred and vileness from an anti-Semitic and anti-Christian hatemonger.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I'm crushed.
            But don't' worry, you're still the most hate filled bigot on this thread.

          • Ricky Michael

            Your darkness is blinding. I suggest you light a candle inside.

            Here is one the best descriptions of what is coming that I have read in long while. Some things are true whether you believe them or not.
            http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/alan_m

          • Jesusinator

            I will light the candle when all this relgious violence stops. Christians and musliums need to learn that both gods are fake <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Then you better start in on the muslim violence pretty soon.

          • Galveston

            how stupid are you? MILLIONS have been slaughtered in atheist/communist regimes – Do the names Stalin, Mao, Pol pot ring a bell in your empty head?

          • Jesusinator

            Stalin was raised Christian and beat by his Christian father. So religion conditioned his upbringing ( I wonder why) and he abandoned it None of these men ever killed in the name of atheism and the death count from them does not even come close to billions killed over religion. Check your history The difference is atheists don't deny other atheist that do wrong like the hypocritical Christians………………………….they even deny Hitler. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • Galveston

            I stand by my words – you're a loser and a complete waste of time

          • Jesusinator

            Did jesus teach you to judge others? I stand by mine. You're just another worthless POS <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Did Stalin live a Christian life?

            You ask the most stupid questions, and have the most stupid conclusions based on what?

            It's eery how most are almost an exact match to the clerics of Iran.

          • RoguePatriot6

            Yea, but does it shock you.

          • Judas

            It is the mind of a simpleton to think that if all religion were to cease to exist peace would takeover. For many of the wars throughout the history of mankind, religion had little to with it. Lack of religion will never eliminate tyranny and a madman's desire for power.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Oh, you're trying to use facts and reason to make your point.
            It makes perfect sense and I agree with you.

            Wee wee, or jesusinator of course will only revert to his hate based talking points.

          • Jesusinator

            Religion has a played a big role in the wars we have had and no it would not eliminate all violence but a lot of it <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Islam, they have no choice. They have to behave that way.

            The teachings of Christ, not so much.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And here you are the result of intelligent design.

            Unless you're just smart evolved mud?

          • Ricky Michael

            At least read the "stupid" link, it explains a lot of the answers for the question you ask. Remember what I told you when you get there in the void, then ask for help. Someone will come, if you haven't already slipped so deep into the dark that you can't be reached. That's up to you.

            The Bible is a source of light. Too bad you can't see the truth.
            "Seeing they do not see. Hearing they do not hear."

          • Jesusinator

            I did read the link. What light is in the bible? Here we have a book that talks about wiping out the entire human race (genocide) and then saying Ooops sorry I won't do that again <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Oops, and where does the teaching of Christ say God wants to do that?
            That He didn't pay the price to avoid it, and that it was the choice of the humans to choose that fate?

            Come on, you just hate and look for any excuse to spew it. If the Bible had a chapter on daisies and fluffy clouds you'd rip on that too, simply because you can't help yourself.

          • Ricky Michael

            Take your Bible and rip out the Old Testament, then throw that into the trash. Now you have what you need for seeing the light. Most of your objections are over with God's dealings with the Hebrews and nothing to do with Christian Life except providing history. The truth is you love to take the OT and misuse it, trying to bind it on christains. That what you get your jollies from, making people mad.

            Jesus is the true son of God. Nothing you can say will change that.

          • Jesusinator

            But you can't prove that he is. Should we take our history books and throw them away as well? <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • Ricky Michael

            1) That's right Thomas, I can't prove it. "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believed."

            2) Just making a suggestion to help you see what part to look at while searching for light.

          • Jesusinator

            It's hard to find light that comes from so much darkness and hatred <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • Ricky Michael

            The OT serves mainly to point to the coming of the Christ. It is good to study as a "schoolmaster." But, it was delivered to the Hebrews. The NT fullfilled the foretellings of the OT. Things Christian are to live by that are in the OT are re-stated in the NT. Additionally, the NT bumps it up a notch. Things that were physical in nature, like commiting adultery "physically" are now even just thinking about it is commiting adultery in your heart.

            Never in the NT are there commands to commit the acts that you claim Christains do. Only the Hebrews in the OT killed other people, as the instruments of judgement by God.

            You and I both know this is the truth.

          • Jesusinator

            ……….and as we have been over the heaven and earth are to pass away before any letter of law is invaild. We are still here <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • Ricky Michael

            How many times do I have to tell you this?

            Yes, the "Law" is still valid for those who reject Christ. Christians are under grace and free from the law.

            5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free,[a] and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love. Gal 5

          • Jesusinator

            So in other words Christ likes pen is mutilation? So if I reject Christ according to you I can go kill gays and go to heaven? To be honest if look at what Jesus supposedly said in both comments it does not matter if you reject Christ. The earth is still here it has not passed away yet. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • Ricky Michael

            1) you know the answer to that already, you will answer for every misdeed.
            2) No you can't kill gays.
            3) Neither has the law for those who reject Christ.

            What has happened to you to cause such hate for God? No one does what you do without cause. You have assumed the role of Anti-Christ by your words and maybe your deeds too. I dont know?

          • Jesusinator

            Because of all the people and innocent children he killed in teh bible. Sorry I have no respect for killers <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • Ricky Michael

            Book, chapter ,and verse in the New Testament please.

          • Ricky Michael

            Let me say it louder so you can hear me this time.

            BOOK, CHAPTER, AND VERSE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT THIS TIME, PLEASE.

          • Jesusinator

            You can't use that excuse until the heaven and earth pass away. We will never agree on this <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • Ricky Michael

            "Because of all the people and innocent children he killed in teh bible. Sorry I have no respect for killers"

            book, chapter, verse NEW TESTAMENT please

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            He refuses to admit what defines a Chrisitian since it ruins his talking points.

            Hate is more important to wee we than anything else. Such a tiny little little man.

          • Ricky Michael

            His comments only are able to make the people who really don't know the Bible very well mad. The ones that do, "know" how wrong his stance is. He read so superficially that I wonder if he doesn't with everything?? I think not, only the Bible so he can play his game. Chances are good it is an act.

          • Judas

            Yet you defend Terrorists.

          • Jesusinator

            I do? When have I done that? You defend the Israeli governement. They are terrorists. You fail again Judas. Speaking of that name. Why was the book of Judas left out of the bible? Was it because it would destroy christianity? <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You don't just defend them, you call for it yourself.

            24 minutes ago @ Breitbart.tv – Soldier Found Guilty i… · 1 reply · +1 points
            "The whole town needs locked in the church and the church set on fire. IMO "

          • RoguePatriot6

            Or just DON'T WANT TO see the truth.

            Romans talked about this in pretty good detail.

          • Ricky Michael

            Yes it does. This is a very old argument between him and me that goes back about a year. Most of the time I avoid these old arguments but lately I have been back at it with him because he preaches his atheism like a broken record. I don't believe that I've ever run across a more closed minded person.

            You should know that I too have had an NDE. I know what's coming. He will not listen or believe. "They have Moses and the prophets, even if one were to return from the dead, they would not believe." Ever heard that one? Well, there you go.

          • RoguePatriot6

            You don't even have to go that far about people with their minds already made up.
            When they arrested Jesus in front of all those people and Peter sliced the ear off of one of the members of the mob that arrested Him. Jesus put the ear back on the man's head and in front of the entire mob of people and what did it do? It didn't make a dent, did it? They still crucified Him.

          • Ricky Michael

            Great example of this attitude.

          • Ricky Michael

            So be it, then may God straighten you out some day like he did me. Whether he choses to or not is up to him. If he does it will be a real shocker for you. Remember what I told you, ask for help and then ask for a chance to change. I have read that he usually does for those who ask him.

          • RoguePatriot6

            Oh, how lib/progs love to equate Nazi's to Christians……Eh….wait a minute….Let me re-phrase that. They equate Christians, conservatives or both to Nazi's anytime they say something that steps on their toes alittle.
            I have to say, not a bad tactic for Hitler and his Third Reich were truly an evil bunch and if you truly wanted to demonize someone, they are definitely the tag to use. I have to also say that Christians nor Conservatives have little if anything in common with Nazis. If there were any truth to what you said, there wouldn't have been so many Catholic Priests slaughtered or put into concentration camps for trying to help Jews or being on Hitler's bad side.

            Let me ask you this. This is the same question that I asked Slomo a week ago. If I go and kill millions of citizens and said that you put me up to it, does that make you a mass murderer? Or does that make me a mass murderer or a liar? The Jews were just a scape goat for Hitler and his boys, religion had little to do with it. (cont'd)

          • RoguePatriot6

            The same goes today from what I observe from alot of people. Lib/progs are just envious of the fact that Jews have prospered and moved forward in so many different ways. You can see this when you visit sites like this and listen to the bigoted comments. They mention nothing about the religion of the Jews, all you hear are the constant, mindless conspiracy theories of how they want to take over the markets and how they were the ones who actually were behind the 9-11 attacks or how they want to influence the media into thinking they are the supreme beings…..etc What a crock. Basically they are saying since Jews are as prominent and successful as they are, they must be scheming or up to something in the way of a takeover.

          • RoguePatriot6

            Far be it, that they were just committed in the face of adversity, naaahhhhhh, they ARE CONSPIRATORS AND SEEKERS OF WORLD CONQUEST!!! Could you get any more lame?????!!!!!! and pathetic??? Once again, if you noticed, not a single mention of their stance on, Jesus….just their political standings and their status in society. Nothing at all to do with religion, just envy.
            I have another question, if you hated Jews as Hitler did who you claim was a Christian, does that make you a Christian based on your hatred?

          • Jesusinator

            Christianity stands alone as the only source from which Hitler, the Nazis and, indeed, the general population of Germany could have possibly cultivated a deep seated hatred for Jews. Both Catholicism and Protestantism contributed to the centuries of ill feelings for the Jewish people in general. Christians taught antisemitism in their schools. They taught it in their churches. They preached against the Jews in their sermons. And since Hitler and his Nazis incorporated this ugly silent tenet of Christian faith into their ideology, one cannot deny that this Christian belief lived in the very heart and minds of Hitler and the Nazis. When the Nazis acted against the Jews they acted through Christianity itself. And although the Nazis elevated the horror, it nevertheless stemmed from the very core of Christianity itself. Thus Nazi antisemitism and Christian antisemitism describe the very same thing. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • RoguePatriot6

            Sorry, Jesusinator, your argument just doesn 't make any sense nor do the arguments of most liberals nowadays who pin this on Christianity. If Hitler did use Christianity to justify his actions it was only in the political sense in that he did it to gain popular support from the people towards what he was doing. He used Christianity to legitimize it by twisting the scriptures to influence, not as a bases for his actions. You saw the same thing in Latin America when communist rebels tried to gain favor with the Catholic Church to gain legitmacy and favor with the people in those countries. You can see emulations of this big time in the United States with the LBGT agenda. They have influenced some of the churches to side with them on the issue of gay marriage to gain favor and popular support in the eyes of the people. In that way, if someone opposes it they would be in conflict with religious influential leaders and in a way it discredits Christians because of the division that it creates. It also discredits Christians because it's never looked upon favorably by God anywhere in the bible, whether it be Old or New Testament. (cont'd)

          • RoguePatriot6

            "lets pretend that Hitler really did pretend his Christianity; that his sole aim went to politically winning over German Christians so that he could gain their confidence. How in the world does that improve your argument in protecting Christianity from Hitler? If that proved the case, then who should get the blame, Hitler or the gullible Christian German citizens who believed him? "

            Galatians 4:27
            Those false teachers are so eager to win your favor, but their intentions are not good. They are trying to shut you off from me so that you will pay attention only to them.
            Timothy 4:1
            Those false teachers are so eager to win your favor, but their intentions are not good. They are trying to shut you off from me so that you will pay attention only to them.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And the people talking against that evidence are biased so you're not qualified to say anything by your own standards.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            See how that works?

            You say stuff that's nonsense and based on bigotry and hatred and we all laugh at you for it.

          • RoguePatriot6

            You still don't get it, do you? They were still responsible for what they did and the lives they took or ordered to be exterminated, regardless of what they professed themselves to be.

            "But regardless of how you view a person's claim to their religion, to say Hitler used Christianity only for political forces has absolutely no historical basis to back it up."

            Who needs history, one only has to pick up a bible and read it to understand that what he did was evil and twisted. People twisting scripture to say what they want it to say, doesn't take away from the credibility of Christ or Christianity. If anything it only prooves what they said man would do in the latter days.

          • Jesusinator

            How can you be sure you are not twisting scripture? They thought the same way. I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. -Isaiah 45:7 Hitler created peace when it suited him and created death and destruction when it fit his needs, which by Christian standards means “evil.” Hitler did all these things in similar God-like actions reported in the Bible. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            We can be sure you are.

            You never tie the teachings of Christ to the bad things you attack.

          • RoguePatriot6

            "How can you be sure you are not twisting scripture? They thought the same way. "

            Really? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            Okay, if there were any evidence to how crazy you really are this is it. Seriously? If Hitler and God thought the same the Jews would have been exterminated milleniums ago along with most of the human race at that time.

          • Jesusinator

            Although Hitler had a strong Catholic childhood, he slowly became more Protestant-like as he grew older. He read evangelist literature and he greatly admired Martin Luther (a Jew hater). Many of his actions fulfilled what Luther desired in his book “On the Jews and their lies” (1543). It appears clear from Hitler's own writings that his anti-Semitism came directly from the community of Christians: I was not in agreement with the sharp anti-Semitic tone, but from time to time I read arguments which gave me some food for thought. At all events, these occasions slowly made me acquainted with the man and the movement, which in those days guided Vienna's destinies: Dr. Karl Lueger and the Christian Social Party. -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf) How many of my basic principles were upset by this change in my attitude toward the Christian Social movement! My views with regard to anti-Semitism thus succumbed to the passage of time, and this was my greatest transformation of all. -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf) <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Blah blah blah….

            You still haven't shown hitler was a Christian because of his relationship with Christ and how he followed Christ's teachings.

            You still fail. You can repeat that 500 times and it will still be flawed.

            You sound so aggitated, is it time for that second cup of mtn dew already?

          • RoguePatriot6

            Yea, actually I do. Either way YOU and you need to understand that YOU say and believe that.

            It doesn't make it true.

          • Jesusinator

            What makes the African priests who have butchered over 15,000 babies in the last few years anymore Chrsiatian than you? Nothing. They believe they are Christian and believe in God as much as you do. The only difference is they are killing the witch babies that is commanded in the bible. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And can you show that these priests are following the teachings of Christ?

            I can show that muslim activists that have killed more than 15,000 are following what their forced lifestyle that does demand it.

          • RoguePatriot6

            What scriptures did they twist out of context to do it?

          • Jesusinator

            How do you twist this? A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB) http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/return-to-africas-witch-children/ <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Is it the teaching of Christ?

            I'm a Christian, not a Jew.

            And I don't have to twist anything. You are the one twisting things so you can force fit it into your pattern of hate.

          • RoguePatriot6

            They didn't however we Christians live by the New Testament. We still learn valuable lessons from the Old but our lives and our faith in Jesus is justified by the teachings of the New Testament.

          • Jesusinator

            Which leads me to this question. Has the earth passed away yet? <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • RoguePatriot6

            What's your point and how does it apply?

          • Jesusinator

            It applies because the laws of the OT are still binding. Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17 NAB) So has the earth passed away yet? <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • RoguePatriot6

            He came to fulfill the prophecies of from the Old Testament that predicted his coming to earth to save mankind, ironically from ourselves and how they foretold His death and ressurection. That was the whole purpose of the Old Testament, teach us the nature of God and that He was to loved, feared and obeyed. He fulfilled the laws purpose. If the teachings of the OT were still binding, then we would still be doing burnt offerings and in Hebrews He explains this. "…He taketh away the first two establish the second.

          • Jesusinator

            So has the earth passed away yet? <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And has anyone here suggested that the ten commandments, the Law has been passed away?

            Repeating that thousands of times only makes you seem uninformed about the things you pretend to know.

          • RoguePatriot6

            You keep repeating this and all you are prooving is how true He actually was. He meant that the laws of man and all that exist will pass away, yet his teachings or their significance wouldn't. It wouldn't matter if the earth passed away or not, His words and their truth lives on.

          • Jesusinator

            Where does it say that? ” laws of man and all that exist will pass away” Chapter and verse please <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why, you never answer anyone else that demands that same thing from you.

          • RoguePatriot6

            Have you ever heard of the second coming?

            2nd Peter 3:10 "But the day of the Lord will come as unexpectedly as a thief. Then the heavens will pass away with a terrible noise, and the very elements themselves will disappear in fire, and the earth and everything on it will be found to deserve judgment."

          • RoguePatriot6

            I started another thread on this page, I can't right like this anymore.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Stillaahtefilleddbigot.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Wee wee. you small little man.

            Youdon't admit that those aroundChrist were even there. So your point is moot.

            How does it feel to carry around so much poison?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Another multi part rant?

            What a moron.

          • Eyes_Open

            The why is there such a backlash in the Christian community against the gay population? Jesus never speaks against homosexuality and teaches that we should love thy neighbor as thyself.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Did he ever act or say that it was something we're to do?

          • Eyes_Open

            If you mean did he ever act or say that Christians should oppose or harm homosexuals, no, so why are there some many Christians lashing out against homosexuality and wanting them condemned, destroyed, or locked behind fences?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, I meant exactly what I said.

            And you're equating disapproval with acts of violence.

          • Eyes_Open

            What you said was rather open to interpretation. But let's look at it from the other possible meaning. If you meant did Jesus say to be homosexual. Agian, no. But he also didn't say to drink soda pops and eat pizza, but I don't see Christians having a problem with those actions.

            As far as violent acts, turn on the news, there are pastors and ministers all over the US advocating violent acts against homosexuals.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, it wasn't open to a lot of interpretations. It was clearly worded and reflected the idea I was expressing.

            Andno Christian acting on the teachings of Christ advocates violence against anyone.

          • Eyes_Open

            The nwhy are other "true" Christians not standing up to renounce these members of you religion that have obviously gone astray?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It's between them and Christ what their style of choice is.Why have you thought that real Christians aren't standing up to acts of violence against homosexuals?

          • Eyes_Open

            Can't read, too narrow , must move.

          • RoguePatriot6

            If you can find it, read my respons to Jesusinator about Hitler and false teachers.
            Matthew 7.21, "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter."

          • RoguePatriot6

            1 Corinthians 6:9
            Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality,

            Christ taught His followers to hate deeds, not people. Many parents or casual friends may hate certain things the other does yet still love their friends, children or in this case neighbor.

          • Eyes_Open

            KJV
            9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

            10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

            First this isn't Jesus, it is Paul. A man, a fallible man speaking his opinions, not the direct words of Jesus.

            Second, as you can see, in different versions it is translated in different ways. In the KJV he speaks of adultery and perversion but doesn't say that homosexuality is one of them. That is one of the problems with a book that has many versions, there is always one to back up your views, and one to discredit them.

          • RoguePatriot6

            2nd Timothy 3:16_"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"__By your reasoning the 4 Gospels are the only true word of God. In fact, they wouldn't even be, because Jesus never actually wrote those scriptures in the 4 Gospes, they were eye witness accounts of what he did and said. __And wouldn't perversion or effeminate equate to homosexuality?

          • Eyes_Open

            I don't believe the four gospels are complete truths, because they contradict each other in places. and no perversion or effeminate does not equate to homosexuality. They are different things and only through a leap can they be heaped together.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The gospels werewrittenbyJohnandMatthewamongstother.Theywerethre,theyknowwhattheysawandheard.

            Whytoyouliesobadly?Ifyouwereagoodliarthatwouldbebadenough,butyou'rejustamuslimfriendlytroll.

            Can'ttheyfindanyonebetteratthis?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, but then you're a pagan so you've already decidedwhat to believe.

          • RoguePatriot6

            I can only write so much this way? Why don't we continue this on another thread?

          • Eyes_Open

            That would be fine. pick your sight and I will try to follow.

          • RoguePatriot6

            I'll just start another thread on this page.

          • RoguePatriot6

            Personal accountablity is inescapable, Jesusinator, you can try to duck and dodge all you want to. No one is going to answer for you but YOU, period.

          • Jesusinator

            I know that. I am the only who needs to and when the chemical reactions stop and I die it will be over. Put me in a pine box and bury me. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Will you have recorded talking points for when that happens so you can keep poisoning the atmosphere with your hate?

          • RoguePatriot6

            Really? So, in light of your knowledge of that fact, why would'nt the same reasoning apply to Hitler? Why do you still try to pin Hitler's actions on Christianity and not make him the person to answer for his actions as the twisted mass murderer he was?

          • Jesusinator

            Because his anti-Semitism came from his Christian education.Austria and Germany were majorly Christian during his time and they held the belief that Jews were an inferior status to Aryan Christians. The Christians blamed the Jews for the killing of Jesus. Jewish hatred did not actually spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews and their Jewish religion. In his book, “On the Jews and their Lies,” Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War 2. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther constantly quoting his works and beliefs. Now, you must remember before Hitler rose to Chancellor of Germany the country was in a deep economic depression due to the Versailles treaty. The Versailles treaty demanded that Germans made financial reparations for the previous war and Germany simply was not self sufficient enough in order to pay the debt. Hitler was the leader that raised Germany out of the depression and brought them back to a world recognized power. Due to his annulment of the financial woes of the Germanic people he became their redeemer and they anointed him as the leader of the German Reich Christian Church in 1933. This placed him in power of the German Christian Socialist movement which legislates their political and religious agendas. It united all denominations, mainly the Protestant/Catholic and Lutheran people to instill faith in a national Christianity. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            But not from the teachings of Christ.

            And you still can't tie those teachings to Hitler.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            We don't have to pretend it.

            Hitler didn't even pretend to follow the teachings of Christ.

          • RoguePatriot6

            2 Peter 2:1
            Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons.
            But there were also false prophets in Israel, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will cleverly teach destructive heresies and even deny the Master who bought them. In this way, they will bring sudden destruction on themselves.

            The answer is, BOTH!!!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It's so foolish for you to even discuss Christians and not connect that to the teachings of Christ.

            You lose every time because your hate has blinded you to what makes a Christian.

          • RoguePatriot6

            If I went out on a shooting spree and killed 50 people, then claimed that a story from Mother Goose inspired me to do it, guess what? I'm still accountable for my actions and will have to answer for the lives I took and it doesn't make the writers of Mother Goose any more guilty than Christ was or his followers either. It would make me a liar and mass murderer, period. You can try all you want to pin this on Christianity, Jesusinator, people are responsible for their own actions. Jesus nor his followers ever justified the extermination of Jewish people regardless of how those who followed their own ambitions twisted his teachings out of context. This also applies to that group of people who, instead of going to Him, would rather hang on to whatever vices they have in life and would find it much more appealing to deny that He actually existed. They too, have no one to blame but themselves

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            But the koran is. And you ignore it.

            Instead you attack Christians when Christ taught us to live in peace.

            Why is that?

          • RoguePatriot6

            The same reason why most would rather believe a lie than they would the truth. It's a choice that he will ultimately answer for. He can tapdance all he wants.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You must realize that you're wrong. Other wise you wouldn't be so determined to smear and lie about Christianity.

            All these posts, all these lies. And you still can't do the only thing that might show you're right.

            You haven't tied the teachings of Christ with the things you attack about the religion.

          • RoguePatriot6

            "And what does that say for the integrity of Christianity if the most Christianized country in the world could not distinguish a member of their own belief system?"

            It doesn't take anything from Christ or Christianity however if you read any of the scriptures for what they say, it only prooves and gives credibility to them in regards to the nature of man and what those who followed Christ later prophecied.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            More multi part rants?

            Going over the edge huh? You don't have to drink, it's just to steady your nerves probably.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And once again you blew it wee wee.

            You used all those words and you didn't tie in any of that action to the teachings of Christ. So, you didn't make your point and you ignore what makes a person a Christian,

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            I've already asked what part of the bible did the yellow badges come from, and since you didn't answer then I suppose it's pointless to ask again. Once again your confusing the fallible church with the actual teachings of the bible.

          • RoguePatriot6

            "Because if I have it right (and I think I do) then Christianity never represented reality, thus an honest believing Christian and a dishonest believing Christian fall on equal turf: they both have it wrong, and they both practice falsehoods! "

            So, in your mind if both fall in the same categories as fiction then what's the point? In your mind anyone professing to be a Christian is a liar. Just as long as you realize, that his is in YOUR mind and it still doesn't make Christ nor his followers "liars", it makes you delusional and impossible to reason with.

          • Jesusinator

            No, in my mind anyone who excepts Jesus as their savior is a christian. That is all that is required <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you are speaking about things you don't understand.

            That is enough to get to heaven as the thief on the cross proves. But that's just the starting point. A true conversion leads to much, much more. That's something you as a muslim friendly hate filled bigot won't get.

          • RoguePatriot6

            In effect, what you are saying is that all of the hatred or ill sentiment towards Jews comes from Chistianity and that's just plain and simply not true. If it is true, the "Christians" that are expressing this sure are putting on a good act because from these comments that I read and from what I see and hear from people, I never hear of any thing relating to their stance on faith. It's always about politics or some crazy comspiracy about their "ambition for the conquests of our markets and banks" or some crazy off the wall notion that they are the true antagonists of Arab Muslims. I can't help but laugh at that "theory" of theirs being that Arab Muslims are the biggest and I mean BIGGEST murderers of Arab Muslims. No one, but no one is killing more Muslims on a daily basis THAN OTHER MUSLIMS, period and guess what, that has nothing to do with Christianity either.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, those German policies were bad.

            But the teachings of Christ are good, why don't you explain how they should have actually been following the things that founded Christianity?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So are you following the muslim policies by using muslim friendly attacks on Christianity?

            Such a pathetic troll, pretending that sitting at a work terminal makes you credible?

          • Jesusinator

            So you can't answer the question imagine that (waiting for the throwing pearls before swine excuse,) I have shown you don't follow any teachings of christ and do nothing but act out in contrary to the scriptures you proudly claim you follow. You're no Christian and frankly you are completely boring and well beneath me. You will never be able to match my wits and use the MO every day. I back you into a corner (just like I did now) and you get all b utt hurt and deflect. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            What's wrong, not answering why you are so muslim friendly?

            What's wrong, imagine the Al Taqiyya excuse will cover for it?

            You have shown nothing other than you're blinded by hatred and bigotry. You don't like that I keep pointing out your hate.

            As you sit in your paid work terminal you pretend you should have any credibility. You are a troll that simply keeps circling around and recycling the same FAILED talking points.

            You never adjust or adapt to the things people have smacked you for.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            All these multi part rants.

            So, you had a good weekend off and you're back at your paid desk spewing hate and bigotry. Are you going try holding off on your flask for a awhile?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And none of that was in keeping with the teachings of Christ.

            So, what was your point? That Christians should actually remember why they are Christians?

          • RoguePatriot6

            "The Biblical Paul, for example, put the blame of Jesus's death entirely on the Jews. In the first epistle of Paul to the Thessalonians (2:14-15), it says, "the Jews who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets…." Also the gospel of John, makes it clear that the Jews represent an enemy (and John 8:44 puts the devil as the father of the Jews). Many prominent priests used Paul's epistles and the gospels as Biblical justification for Jewish persecution."
            He was talking about the Jews as individuals who actually perscecuted Him. He wasn't speaking about all of the Jews. If the news media announced that a group of blacks killed a whole bunch of people, does that make the entire race guilty of it? And if I'm not mistaken, didn't the Romans actually try and crucify Christ? I don't see any mass hordes trying kill all of their decendents.

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            I've already shown you how Christian anti-antisemitism is a oxymoron (multiple times, as well as others have as well) in the orthodox (that is, what Christianity actually teaches through the bible) faith, and how only those disobeying Christianity could possibly be anti-semetic.

            Christianity means following Christ (a Jew, who had Jewish followers, and claimed to be a fulfiller of the JEWISH scirptures). Your answers have been: (a) to make out-of context quoting of scriptures, (b) sweeping universalist statements, or (c) a non-sequitor statement about Hitler being Jewish.

            (a) is answered easily by showing the context, that those verses denouncing Jews as being unbelieving, or killing Christ are meant to not be all Jews, as you read it, but specific Jews. Also, basic logic, since Jesus and his followers are Jews, and apear to be not condemned, the statement is logically not all Jews. Also usually one does not codemn a good majority of ones group, since a vast majority of the early Chrisitans were in deed converted Jews. (I.e. a vast majority of Jesus' ministry)
            (b) is completely dishonest, and yet you repeat it. If the scriptures can be read any which way, then all argumentation is pointless, since everything is true, even if A contradicts B.

            (c) is also ridiculous, as I pointed out, (and you did not answer) since it is doubtful that Hitler really identified with being Jewish since that would mean sending himself to a death camp as "inferior".

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And neither have you. You just keep spewing hate from your work terminal. Who pays you to spread propaganda so badly?

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Oh? I used basic logic in the post above to show how arguments (a), (b) and (c) do not follow logically. Maybe you should read the post again (or read it if you haven't).

          • Jesusinator

            ….and I have shown how your false logic is wrong over and over again. Whether you like or not as I said early the church especially in Europe taught in the 1920 taught anti-Semitism. Look it up and try not to use a water downed biased christian web site <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Ha! To you "early" is 1920s? You seriously have problems with basic logic. Saying this once again shows how dishonest you are, you have to twist the meaning of "early" to mean 1,920 years after the death of Christ!

            I have looked it up. You see, I have this book of records of teachings of the early church (earliest even), of what they taught and did. It even contains the teachings and actions of Christ himself, as well as letters from early Christians. it's called the BIBLE, and it predates the 1920s church. In the bible, it's clear many of the followers of Jesus (a Jew) were Jewish, and would be very strange to condemn a vast majority of their early converts based on their race. Thus both historically and logically, your argument doesn't make an ounce of sense. But you"ll keep repeating the same thing over and over about how I've proved nothing.

            "Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions." – Proverbs 18:2

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            None of these writings are accepted as canon in our scriptures. Why are you appealing to heretical writings now?

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            What scripture did Constantine quote when he did this to justify it? Where believing Jews (Jews who converted to Christianity) included in this as well?

            Once again, your using rabbit trails instead of actually appealing to what the BIBLE ACTUALLY TAUGHT, which I have been basing my arguments on.

          • Jesusinator

            If it wasn't for Constantine your religion would not exist today. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            That's nice, but that doesn't answer my question of how Constantine was actually following scripture. His importance doesn't magically make his anti-semetism match with scripture.

          • Jesusinator

            ………………how many times has scripture been changed to please the people in charge at the time. Do you have an orginal by chance? <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Oh, I see. The original scriptures, written by Jews, recording the words and deeds of the Lord who was a Jew were anti-semetic, but then over the years it's changed, but the "real" (heretical) church who are anti-semetic are the "true" Chrisitans?

            Is that what you're saying? Now your appealing to conspiracy theories to support your claim. Why not just give up?

          • Jesusinator

            Well they pick and choose what books to leave out of thebible. Like the book of Judas. …….wonder why? The fact still is theCHURCH your CHURCH practiced anti-Semitism. So yes you should give up. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            And yet, none of the "picked and chosen" books of the canon are anti-semetic. so thus your point is MOOT.

          • Jesusinator

            You will never get the point. The christian faith is based on anti-Semitism and blood shed. If none of that happened your religion would not be here today. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Yes, I don't understand illogical thinking, and I never will.

            the Chriustian Faith whose scriptures were based on venerating a jew who had Jewish followers was based on anti-semetism, even though the original teachings are not anti-semetic (though maybe they were super secret changed?.) and Christian anti-semetism contradicts the original published teachings of Christianity. Did I get that right?

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            None of these posts actual show anti-semetism in the bible, and only keep attacking the same straw man over and over. yes, early Christians (i.e. a thousand or more years after Christ) were anti-semetic, but they were because they mistook their scriptures, not because of it. You can't show actual anti-semetism in the bible (it would make no sense, as I've pointed out) so all you can do is attack the straw men of the early church.

          • Jesusinator

            How do you know they mistook and you are right? <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            And we circle around again. Remember, Jesus, his disciples and early followers were all JEWS, thus it is illogical to read verses condemning Jews as being all Jews. it's astounds me how you can't understand this.

          • Jesusinator

            It's astounding to me how you deny historical fact. We are talking about the church. I don't care what jesus said, he ll you guys can't even produce any evidence he was real. All we have is the church. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            But if what the church does goes against Christ, it is heretical.

            Even if Christ didn't exist, you can't just make the fact that the reason for the church was to follow what he supposedly said in the bible. To disconnect the two shows your hatred of truth.

          • Jesusinator

            The church is all you have to go off. You can't use the “the teachings” excuse unless youc an prove he actually existed. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            No, the only thing YOU have is the church.

            Like I said, the church CLAIMS to follow the bible, so it makes no logical sense (even if Jesus didn't exst) to remove it from consideration. The reason you're trying to remove the bible is because you know it doesn't teach anti-semetism.

          • Jesusinator

            Where did I say it did? Where in teh bible does it teach you to tell me these things? <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            (and when I say heretical, I don't mean everything these people wrote are heretical, but since I've shown hatred of Jews makes no sense and is not supported by scripture, hatred of Jews is heretical).

          • Jesusinator

            The church that you worship taught it. Nothing you say can change that. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Christians don't worship the church, fool.

            I appeal first to the scriptures. If the church and the bible conflict, I stand with the bible.

          • Jesusinator

            Yeah I know, so why even have church's. They worship amurdeous god and supposed son who can't even be shown to have existed. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • Ricky Michael

            18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, Rom 1

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Straw man, non-sequitor.

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            "That is historical fact."
            And yet is still a straw man, since you don't actually show which scriptures could be used to justify such actions.
            "Logic! What do they teach in schools these days?"

          • Jesusinator

            Do have an orginal copy of all scriptures? I doubt it and since the bible has been written over and over again and change countless times you don't know <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Once again, since you can't actually show how the bible is anti-semetic, you make the claim that the bible was originally anti-semetic and changed. Of course, this is impossible to actually prove,

            We have versions dating from around the 2nd century, a little over a thousand years before Constantine. How's that?

          • Jesusinator

            Do have an orginal copy? <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            I've already said no. Do you have a copy earlier than 2nd century that is anti-semetic? I think not.
            Was Constantine a time lord?

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Why post that link? all it does is pointlessly restate that Hitler was part Jewish, which I DID NOT DISAGREE WITH, and shows how dishonest you are by ignoring the logical problem of whether Hitler actually acknowledge he was Jewish. (which you show no proof of).

          • Jesusinator

            To prove what you denied <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            BUT I DIDN'T DENY IT. I even put it in all caps, above, but apparently even that didn't help your poor reading comprehension.

            What I denied was Hitler actually IDENTIFIED HIMSELF as being Jewish. You never proved this. If he did, and he thought Jews inferior, would mean he thought himself inferior and not of the "master race"? This is basic logic.

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Huh? I really don't think you understand logic. I'm the one making the negative inference (i.e. I don't believe Hitler thought of himself as Jewish), so that would be YOUR JOB to prove.

          • Jesusinator

            I don't know, he knew he had Jeswish blood in him though. The fact still remains his anti-Semitism came from his christian education <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Still waiting for actual citations that he knew he had Jewish blood, or how he rectified that with his ideal of the "master race".

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Education by heretical anti-semetic Chrfistians? Yes.
            Education from actual scriptures? No.
            Once again, your stating as fact a thesis that is unproven, and that I've given considerable logical holes that you haven't filled.

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Once again, after I point out you're attacking a straw-man argument, you attack that straw-man again!

            "Logic! What do they teach in schools these days?"

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you're consistently a hate filled bigot.

          • Judas

            Hitler and the NAZIs were followers of the occult, not Christianity. They banned Christianity in 1938.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It depends if they were the 'right' kind of Christians.
            The ones loyal to the teachings of Christ were stomped on.

            What is this, you snuck in after your normal working hours? Are you allowed to do that ?

          • http://henrymakow.com Required

            empress, do not dare to think that REAL Christians want you lumping us in with your faux "auntie-semite" propaganda……. it may work with the brainwashed protestants, especially the american heathen kind, but no….. speak for your own khazar self and know this…..
            Quit using OUR Catholic Lines you godless GENTILE swine son of Ashkenaz,son of Japheth the non-semite……
            "They who refuse to believe in Christ are insane." ~ Bl. James of Voragine.

        • stern

          And just who do you think elected the Israeli government??? Jews!!!! Jews who are sick and tired of being slaughtered in their beds, at pizza parlours, discotheques and Pesach Seders. And even though they've elected what you consider to be a "bad" government, the Israeli government is still a heck of a lot more weak-kneed than most Israelis expected when they elected them.

          As always, it comes down to the same old, same old story. The instant the Palestinians accept the right of Israel to exist and stop trying to destroy it – militarily or demographically – there will be peace in the Holy Land.

          Your kind of idiocy doesn't help anyone.

          • Jesusinator

            What an idiot. Even if Palestine accepeted the right the Israeli government would continue it's campign of terror. I bet they would keep up with the slaughtering of innocent children.
            http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/nov/16/israe

          • RoguePatriot6

            Yep, I mean it's obvious that they would.

            Everyday we hear about the threats of Israel to wipe out all Muslims from the face of the planet.
            Everyday it's Jews that are strapping on suicide vests and walking into crowds of people or even more dispicably, a school.
            They have websites all over cyberspace depicting their hatred for Muslims, Christians and all others that aren't Jewish
            It is they who have threatened the civility of Western Civilization and killed over 3,000 U.S. citiizens 10 years ago in the name of Moses.
            It is they who teach their childeren to hate Muslims and all others.
            It is they who refer to us as "infidels" and "dogs" of the apostates.
            They are the ones as we speak that are toppling governments and establishing their religious law with a brutal hand in Egypt, Tunisa and Libya

            The BARBARIANS!!!!

          • Jesusinator

            Ok, why is it when you silly christians think people like me are defending musliums? I'm not. Israel does not need sucide vests when they have F-16's. Go check online for radical Jewish web sites Ever hear of theJDL? <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You are defending muslim friendly positions.
            You have a hate so full and blinding it's muslim in nature.
            You are a poster child for islam bigotry towards Christians and Jews.

            This is so simple, it makes me want to offer you a beer.

          • stern

            You call me an idiot and to prove it, you post some drivel from, of all things, THE GUARDIAN. Are you serious? Seriously warped, for sure.

          • Jesusinator

            Really? The Guardian is one of the top ten news sources in the UK dumb@ss <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • Galveston

            the guardian is a leftwing rag not even good enough to go under cat litter – even the brilliant Melanie Phillips who used to write for them left that cesspool. She wrote "Londonistan" , but you might be illiterate

          • Jesusinator

            According to who? I don't matter I can post 1,000 more links to the same story re tard <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you'll still be the re tard.

            So much hate, so much bigotry. There literally must be no room left in that head of yours for any brains.

          • robert

            The Guardian is well-known as a radical-left anti-Israel paper.

          • ObamaBoi

            Most of those Brit papers are just Playboy Light. Pics/stories of celebs and half-naked celebs. Bread and circuses for the easily-led.

          • Looking4Sanity

            ROTFLMFAO! So. You noticed that too, did you?

          • ObamaBoi

            Yeah. You know what's funny? Occasionally, I'll post something on one of them like I did above and I'll get a thumbs-up notice from one of the Brits. They're not all nuts. Sometimes I'll just post something like, "Wow! That was important!" and the thumbs come in. Pretty funny. I feel sorry for the sane ones there.

          • Looking4Sanity

            It has been my personal experience and observation that, in every society, the vast majority of common sense and sound judgement resides with what the elites would call "the great unwashed".

            Quite a commentary on the human condition, isn't it?

            It is also note-worthy that no less an intellectual giant than Dr. Thomas Sowell has voiced similar observations on several occasions in print.

            Where there's smoke, there's fire…right?

          • ObamaBoi

            `True all dat. My mother told me once, when I was a kid, that those who appear to most vehemently hate you are probably jealous of you and that those who genuinely hate you will ignore you.

            At first, that was very counterintuitive to me and it took me many years to see the verity of that. See also regressive's (misguided) contempt for the "unwashed masses." To this day, I still marvel at the understanding of human nature she had.

            Sowell's da' man. I bought his book, Barbarians at the Gate, years ago and was hooked.

          • Looking4Sanity

            Morning! Your mother sounds like a wise woman. Her observation put me in mind of the truism "In the absence of light, darkness prevails".

            That genuine hatred she spoke of would be the absence of light. The vehement hatred is merely a shadow cast by the illuminated inadequacy of the hater himself.

            Paradoxically, in the case of someone such as WeeTodd, I believe it is possible that all of that is going on simultaneously…kind of like a psychological "big bang", where the hate is so strong it collapses in on itself and then explodes outward in a blinding display of sheer ugliness.

          • ObamaBoi

            Good observation on your part, IMO. I think I've seen you say, on occasion, that nature abhors a vacuum. Amazingly true. Funny how the "unwashed masses" see these things, isn't it?

          • Looking4Sanity

            Indeed. It begs the question “How did a bunch of backwater peckerwoods ever come by such keen insights?”. I'm sure that it's a complete mystery to them…just as they can't explain how something spontaneously appeared from nothing. It's the natural result of a lifetime spent living in an insular bubble.

          • Patriot2Opine

            "it hurts when I think" elitist progressive liberals.

            How goes it today? Clinging to the bible and cleaning your guns? I am working on that antipathy thing. Seems I woke up with a wicked case of antipathy toward communists. I wonder where that came from?

          • Looking4Sanity

            No. Today I'm clinging to my lawnmower, my Heineken, and washer and dryer. I may switch over to guns later in the evening just for variety and the sheer fun of it.As for where your antipathy for commies came from…I'm guessing it's a direct result of living under the regime of the current Commie-In Chief. I hear DHS is announcing full amnesty to illegal aliens today. Gonna give 'em all work permits and immunity from deportation. Ain't THAT special?!?

          • Patriot2Opine

            I heard that as well. I wonder what the unemployment numbers for high school kids will be for summer jobs. Oh not to mention recent grads.

            And they will continue the law suit with Florida in order to keep them from validating their voters. Damn, there's that taste of bile again. errrr.

          • Looking4Sanity

            We absolutely can not get rid of this guy fast enough to suit me. I only pray we can undo all the damage the little turd has done already.

          • 4_Constitution

            Me too.

            This has been the longest three years of my life.

            There is a verse in the Bible that states….when the wicked rule, the righteous mourn.

          • 4_Constitution

            Rush is just opening up with this as well.

            It will cause the UE numbers to skyrocket.

          • 4_Constitution

            I just read that about the illegals.

            It's no big shock because we've been predicting this for the past three years.

            They article on the HIll says they won't be allowed to vote. I don't believe that one bit.

          • Patriot2Opine

            All they have to do is find a state that doesn't require id like New Hampshire. They can claim to be a dead person and cast a vote. If that is too much for them, then all they have to do is show a ITIN proving they are paying taxes. No one will pull the string on how many dependents they are claiming who actually do not live in this country. The case: Indiana. http://governmentgonewild.org/irsrefundsgonewild

          • 4_Constitution

            Damn.

            I bookmarked that page. Thanks for the info even though it's a tough read.

            What do you think the EU mess will do to our banks and economy this summer?

          • Patriot2Opine

            Keep your money close. Cash for now, perhaps silver and some gold. The ride is going to be bad. JMO

          • 4_Constitution

            I read one article that said Greeks pulled out 1 Billion bucks out of their banks in one day.

            Thanks for the advice and that's why my hubby and I are talking about.

            Oh. I quick did some googling and learned somethings I didn't know.

            "The EU is America’s largest trading partner. In 2010 $239.8 billion of US goods went to the EU. If it is in deep recession, American companies will suffer and more American jobs will disappear. Further, it is estimated that American banks and market funds hold more than $2 trillion in European banks. Those European banks hold a lot of European sovereign debt that could go bad. There is a very real possibility of banks going bankrupt. That means that American banks could suffer big losses and stop lending to Americans. The Euro collapse cannot be underestimated. American companies will be less likely to hire, and American consumers will be more unlikely to spend."
            http://www.conservativedailynews.com/2011/12/how-

          • Patriot2Opine

            That is just about right. The U.S. is heavily exposed through our loans to the IMF. The statistical models would indicate that the probability of European collapse is well within the first deviation or 68%. I think closer to 75%. The loan to Spain is only a bandaid and we will hear more from them by August. If Greece pulls the plug before that perhaps sooner. Portugal is next. They will be asking for approximately 60 billion by the middle of July.

          • 4_Constitution

            Rush is saying he doesn't think we'll be outnumbered yet.

            He's the ONLY one that's positive. That's why I ended up cancelling my ID account b/c I couldn't stand reading the negativity. And I'm not talking about my ID friends or ya'll. At any rate, taking the time off helped me to feel refreshed.

            I just heard that one VA judge appointed a homosexual without our legislatures approval.

          • Patriot2Opine

            Yeah, the negativity can start to take a toll alright. I have been absent for awhile as well and still don't find the time to tackle so much irreconcilable insanity. I concentrate heavily on local issues these days and of course the Commonwealth.

          • Looking4Sanity

            Oh, you can bet they'll be voting in droves. It is also a transparent attempt to curry favor with, and buy the votes of, the existing Hispanic community.

            I'm thinking that is also going to blow up in his smarmy face.

          • 4_Constitution

            Agreed.

            It used to be that 90% of college graduates were guaranteed a job, not anymore.

          • robert

            Jesusinator is an unhappy troll.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            He had to take a couple of days off, I wonder if his computer caught a virus?

          • Looking4Sanity

            Perhaps his keyboard was the unfortunate recipient of a "nocturnal emission"?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And here I thought he just tipped over his glass and spilled his drink.

            One might lead to the other though….

          • Looking4Sanity

            To paraphrase Colonel Nathan Jessup (Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men)…I'm an educated man, but I'm afraid I can't speak intelligently about the nocturnal habits of WeeToddEdwards.

            And, might I add, Thank God for that!

          • Fair Minded

            Did every single Jew on the planet elect the present Israeli administration? There are none that disagree or criticize? I doubt that, so it is not a slight against Jews to question the tactics of the present Israeli administration. I would think it is more insulting to Jews to imply that they're all the same, as you do.

          • Looking4Sanity

            It's even more insulting to hide behind a rationalization, as you just did, to cover up the fact that you can't stand the fact that a bunch of people who have been persecuted for millennia have the temerity to defend themselves and continue to exist.

          • Fair Minded

            Why do you insist on using ad hominems and straw-man arguments instead of addressing the topic at hand? You clearly cannot prove me wrong using logic, in the same way that you simply cannot abide any criticism of the Israeli government.

            I have not said anything remotely anti-Jewish in any of my posts, but just read the vitriol from other people writing about Muslims. I have plenty of Jewish friends, and being the victim of racism and bullying myself, I have never in my life written or said anything deriding members of any specific religion or race.

            If it makes you feel good to believe I have a problem with Jews or their right to defend themselves, you can go ahead and believe that, it just isn't true, but the truth clearly doesn't matter to you.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            If you really were fair minded you wouldn't need to ask that.

          • Looking4Sanity

            What's the matter? Does having your own tactics used against you offend you? Sounds like a personal problem to me.Also…REAL men don't claim the mantle of victim-hood. Sack up there, Mary.

    • HoR_Emperor

      "Why is it that any criticism whatsoever of Israeli government policy is immediately branded as antisemitism or Jew-hatred?"

      False claim, followed by a variety of meretricious nonsense. You are a contemptible excuser of evil.

      • Looking4Sanity

        Why is it that everyone on the planet except him gets that? It's so hard to tell the difference between foolishness and evil. I think that's because one begets the other.

      • Fair Minded

        Show me one sentence in my comment where I excuse evil.

        I was just defending innocent Muslims and Jews that are derided daily by hateful people like yourself.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          "innocent muslims…" Would those be the ones that want to drop islam but fear being murdered for it?

    • HoR_Emperor

      Hatred and vileness from an anti-Semitic and anti-Christian hatemonger.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Just that Hitler was following the Christian faith when he slaughtered 6 million in the shoah?

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          Hitler followed none of the teachings of Christ.
          He was not a Christian.

          He pretended to be religious for the political support, but unless you can connect him with Christ's teachings you're just a hate filled bigot insulting Christ with that.

        • Looking4Sanity

          Hitler was no more a "christian" than Obama IS. How's THAT for moral relevancy?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Wow, when he clocks into work in the morning, you just know he's going to blow his top over that one.

            It's not pretty when someone tries to interrupt the hate.

          • Looking4Sanity

            Heh heh heh. I've always been all about piercing the fog of war. I'm just calling a spade a spade…as it were!

    • HoR_Emperor

      "I expect this comment to be censored for no good reason."

      Leaving aside that your silly self-martyring expectation was not met…

      Even if your post had been deleted, it would not be "censorship." Censorship is a government activity. A private website has the absolute right to control what is posted.

      • Looking4Sanity

        I think you're splitting a fine hair there…but I totally agree with the sentiment. Who couldn't? It's based entirely in U.S. Property Law. Only a douche like WeeTodd would think to complain about it.

      • Fair Minded

        A fair point, English is not my first language so I used that word incorrectly.

        However, more benign posts than mine are constantly removed from the Jerusalem Post for no good reason, which reinforces my position that some people just cannot take any criticism.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          So, are you a faceless Iranian muslim?

    • RoguePatriot6

      "He shares many of your delusions about Islam taking over Europe, you would get along very well. Give me a link to article on the internet that doesn't have some anti-Muslim troll spouting off his phobia that Muslims are taking over Europe (whatever that means), or that Muslims are &lt;insert insult here."

      You kind of remind me of alot of kids I talk to nowadays. "It will never happen….It will never happen here…..It will never happen to me…." The same kind of complacency is going to kill us dead here in the U.S. "We have the COTUS….it's impossible….(Yea and we've seen how much our current administration and those before him for the past 40-50 years, respect the COTUS haven't we). (cont'd)

      • RoguePatriot6

        If beleiving that the Muslims could actually gain full control of Europe is delusional, then please explain to me why it's a crime to speak against Islam in most European countries? Please explain to me why their are Muslim only no-go zones or better yet, how could their legislation even be coerced into allowing it? Please explain to me, why Elizabeth Wolf and Geert Wilders were arrested and tried for the offense of "insulting Islam" in this region of the world where it's "delusional" to think that this could happen?

        • robert

          Well said.

    • Drakken

      Nice to know you support and defend muslim jihadist Traitor.

      • Drakken

        Here boy, I am going to make this so simple even a shortbus riding window licker like you can understand it. Israel for its faults is a western country, the fake pali muslims are not, got it now and they hate you as much as they hate the jews and you still want to defend a bunch of islamic savages? Your dumber than a bag of hammers and I forsee a Darwin Award in your future.

        • Jesusinator

          Let me make this simple you worthless POS. I don't hate the Jews. I know with arabic being your native language you might find that hard to understand. Ask your cleric to explain it tonight <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • Drakken

            I'll be your Hucklebery boy.

        • Galveston

          don't call it 'boy' – it fights like a little girl- and a very stupid, foul-mouthed one at that

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You know what it said once? He denies it now, but it's a quote from his mouth to the screen.

            "What Holocaust?! Are you insane? From who? Please explain in as much detail as you'd like who and how this would be accomplished. Its not within the realm of possibility for any country other than the US, Russia, France or Great Britain to do so. Quit fear mongering."

      • Looking4Sanity

        You'll have to excuse WeeTodd. He can't help it that he was born a human stool sample.

        • ObamaBoi

          LOL 'Hate when that happens.

          • Looking4Sanity

            And all the doctors keep telling us that it's a biological impossibility. We have the evidence right here!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            That second flush can save so much heartache later.

          • Looking4Sanity

            Why, Roger! I never thought you were an advocate of abortion! I'm shocked…SHOCKED, I say!

    • robert

      No, Fairminded, it is you who are part of the problem.

      Israel does not attract criticism just like any other earthly government. Israel is at the receiving end of an aberrant amount of criticism, most of it lies, the critics of Israel are obsessed with Israel, because they cannot stand that the Jews have their own country and they can defend themselves from their enemies.

      Criticism of Israel is anti-Jewish. If it were not, the criticizers would be also criticizing the Palestinians, Egyptians, Saudis, Jordanians, Syrians, Lebanese, Iranians, Pakistanis, Libyans, and all the other Muslim polities.

      There is nothing remotely fair-minded about you.

      • Fair Minded

        I have nothing but contempt for many of the Muslim governments you list, but I make a distinction between those political Muslims, and my good Muslim friends who are intelligent, loving, and abhore violence against Jews and Muslims alike.

        My comment was an attempt to show people that innocent Muslims are increasingly in the same boat as innocent Jews, unfairly persecuted constantly. So when someone takes offense at anti-Israeli statements, and then in the same breath screams about "Islamophiles" taking over Europe, then I point out the hypocrisy and double-standards.

        Fight against all hatred, extremism, and prejudice, not only the kind that affects you and yours. What about that is not "fair minded"?

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          And do the good muslims ignore all the teachings like surah 9?

          How can you call them good muslims if they ignore the teachings of islam?

  • H&R_ Barack

    It is not that Israel is without friends in Norway.
    Generally speaking, international attention to Norway is minimal.

    Norway's attitudes toward the Jewish State and Judaic values might not be worthy of a second glance.

    After all, the entire organized Jewish population in Norway — about seven hundred people — could easily fit in Oslo's largest hotel.

    There has been increasing concern expressed about the safety of Jews in neighboring Sweden, especially in Malmö. But Norwegian Jews have their own substantial problems.

    Norway and the Jews – http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/10/norway_and
    ~ American Thinker October 22, 2010

    Back in 1929, four years before Nazi Germany would institute the same law, the Norwegian parliament overwhelmingly voted to ban Jewish ritual slaughter.

    • Alvaro

      "Back in 1929, four years before Nazi Germany would institute the same law, the Norwegian parliament overwhelmingly voted to ban Jewish ritual slaughter."

      Because it was considered inhumane and cruel to animals.

  • Zionista

    As usual, you prove your ignorance. DId you get around to watching the Tom Trento video (it's all over youtube). It's full of muslim savages calling for the death of Jews, but you don't like inconvenient facts. Anyone with a brain knows the Jews who push multiculturalism are libs/leftits first. Maybe they don't let you watch videos in prison flip side – or whatever name you're calling yourself this week

    • Zionista

      the post above is in response to shmo's latest rant – ya know, how Jews are bad, blah blah blah

  • Marty

    europe is a Jewish cemetary and the remaining 1 million Jews still living there should emigrate to Israel or to the United States, places where political democracy continues to flourish despite the best efforts of totalitarian leftists to make us all into political zombies and persuade us that islam is a peaceful religion rather than a violent death cult. But europe will also become a cemetary for christianity and western civilization as the islamic presence continues to grow, drags down the economy, and builds larger and larger enclaves to house opportunities to rape women, beat wives, molest young boys, and demand the murder of all infidels.

  • Jimi Belton

    You have went out a long way to make the ''average'' muslem a moderate 'just wanting to feed his family, etc'……I pray you are correct in saying that….i have some inside info that a lot of Egyptian Muslems created a human circle around a group of Copt Christians that was being targeted…For the sole purpose of protecting them….As much as I love Israel, and the Jewish People, i do notice that they are very "touchy, or sensitive" to any form of critisyzism….They are very dear people to me because they are G0d`s Chosen People, and i will not Curse any Jew, as that is a curse on myself….So my appeal is for You overly sensative Ones, loosen up, and be fair….maybe a lot of mussies are just like this writer said…..

    • Fair Minded

      Thank you.

  • Schlomotion

    Congratulations to Norway for not taking any crap from the Wiesenthal Center. The hyperbole of taking a high school bullying incident and turning it into an indictment of the whole country and rolling the Holocaust Industry to fight it was like bringing tanks and F-16s to a slap fight. They overplayed their propaganda and lost, making a mockery of themselves like Jewish Al Sharptons.

    Mr. Bawer says: "The very fact that Dysvik felt comfortable slapping back at the Simon Wiesenthal Center in this snotty manner reflects the Norwegian government’s exceedingly different way of responding to charges of anti-Semitism, which is a very real and escalating problem in Norway,"

    Mr. Bawer is quite simply full it, and should join the 21st Century, the post Zionist era. You just don't get to go around throwing the weight of a well-funded pressure group behind a small tiff at a high school. You don't get to go trashing the national ethos of a whole country because of a cigarette burn. Mr. Bawer, please enter reality, and take a break from "very real reality." It is not just Dysvik that is comfortable slapping back at the Wiesenthal Center. The Wiesenthal Center has no business slapping anybody around. They are not relevant anymore.

    • ziontruth

      "Mr. Bawer is quite simply full it, and should join the 21st Century, the post Zionist era."

      I can only congratulate you for being an early adaptor into the 21th Century, the kissing Islamic derriere era.

      • RoguePatriot6

        No, he still has along way to go before he out does good ol Barrack.

    • TomKinney

      This is actually what the article said, among other things, if you'd have read it all.

      “..his child has been the subject of anti-Semitic bullying and violence for the past two years, reportedly, because his father is Israeli,” but that “there has been no reaction by the school, the police or governmental authorities.”

      You sir, are a brute yourself if that doesn't raise your hackles.

      • stern

        Tom, shlockmeister is hardly worthy of the response, but I thank you for pointing out the obvious to him. It won't make any difference though. He will continue to promote his nonsensical brand of hatred, trying to justify his anti-Semitism by taking contrary stances whenever he thinks it suits his argument.

        Quite frankly, the best approach would be to ignore this troll completely. It thrives on the attention.

        • Sage on the Stage

          Yes…I'm reminded of an old "Star Trek Next Generation" show(back around 1987), in which some crew members of the Enterprise discover, on an out-of-the-way planet, a mysterious oil slick. This oil slick rises up and takes on the likeness of a man, and has a brain and a voice, but is in fact, totally ruthless and devoid of any conscience. The oil slick explained that he had been left there long ago; because of some supposed trivial offense; but constantly whined to the Enterprise crew that he had been treated unfairly. Mr. Oil Slick was on the way to convincing the crew to transport him off the planet; when an event occurred that revealed his true colors; and as punishment, he was left on the planet for eternity. Could this be our man, Schlomo?

          • Ghostwriter

            I wouldn't be surprised if it were,Sage on the Stage.

          • Schlomotion

            Yar had good mouthfeel.

          • Sage on the Stage

            Yep…that's our boy, Schlomo.

      • Schlomotion

        High school is one long experience of non-semitic bullying and violence. The world is supposed to stop if some of it is antisemitic? It makes a difference if the slurs uttered are v.aginal, gender-based, floral, socioeconomic, or levantine?

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          If you don't want to be a second best has been, you need to shape up. Wee Todd is a much better troll than you are.

        • Drakken

          When silly little girly boys like you get picked on and you refuse to defend yourself you only invite them to do it more. Now we know why you are such a puzzy.

          • Schlomotion

            Why defend myself when what you say doesn't hurt?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why defend yourself at all, you're wrong.

  • TomKinney

    Why does Norway not see it?

    Did Germany see it in the early 30s?

    There's a good argument for fascism being a twin brother to socialism and not related to conservatism at all. How many countries who practice modern conservatism have gone totalitarian? None that I can think of. Correct me if I'm wrong. Whereas Venezuela, Argentina, Cuba and countless other left-leaning nations have gone fascistic/totalitarian.

  • Irwin Ruff

    One point that was omitted concerns that "Norway’s Center Party" … " had just proposed a law against male circumcision." That certainly impacts Jews, but it also concerns Muslims. Not knowing too much about Norwegian politics, I have no idea what group such a law is aimed at (maybe both).

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    And you're not in a place to make that call.

    So, since you're not a first hand witness and not unbiased you don't count anyhow.
    Remember, that's the test you have for the Bible writers.

    Still just the hate filled bigot, aren't you?

    • Jesusinator

      and you are no postion to question hitlers christianity <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Of course I am, anyone is.

        And Hitler never followed the teachings of Christ, so he wasn't a Christian.

        You're just a hate filled bigot.

  • Portugal

    Those filthy jews are the reason planet earth is in shambles!

    • UCSPanther

      Enjoy the hellhole that your supposedly "wonderful" Judenfrei Europe will degenerate into.

    • BS77

      I didn't know grub worms had opinions. In any case, Portugal, when you grow up to be a man, perhaps you will acquire some logic, reason, sense and mature intellectual capacities….until then, just keep working your way through the garbage you live in.

    • Drakken

      I see your the result of that moslem occupation from long ago, the inbreeding is obvious.

  • http://henrymakow.com Required

    WW3 is leading to a Christian Victory! Praise The Lord!!

  • RoguePatriot6

    Okay, effeminate is from what I understand, a male taking on the role of a female. I've seen this in the LBGT community and wouldn't this be a form of perversion? Also Romans talks about homosexuality in pretty condemning details and the consequences of it.

    • Eyes_Open

      By your definition, if a man does the laundry or cleans the house then he would be effeminate and therefore condemned. Perversion is defined as a concept describing those types of human behavior that are excessive or deviated from what is considered to be orthodox or normal. There again, a man changing his child's diaper could be considered perversion, it is up to the individual to determine what is a perversion to them. What you may think of as an extremely unusual event in you eyes, I may see as common place.

      I do the Laundry in my house, I changed my children's diapers. I am a straight man, that fabricates cars and bikes as a hobby. Am I effeminate or perverse? When you add your own interpretation to the words you are also adding your own background, bias, and viewpoint. Which means that they could mean many different things to many different people, and all of them be valid to the individual. But still, nowhere did he mention specifically homosexuality.

  • RoguePatriot6

    "Since Jesus had neither an army nor a kingdom, he could not have fulfilled this prophecy."

    He did have a kingdom and still does, The Church. And the followers of Jesus are described many times in the bible as "the Lord's Army". This isn't to be confused in the military sense but His words were what changed the lives and hearts of many throughout many nations. The bible when referring to Jesus, wasn't talking about a conqueror that overthrew it's opposers through the sword or violence. This is one of the reasons why those who did these things through physical violence, did so in direct violation of His teachings.

    • RoguePatriot6

      No, it's not the Church I'm talking about nor the Church that begun in Acts the 2nd chapter. That was the only "church" that was mentioned in the New Testament. It started just as the Old Testament predictated that it would and continues on today.

      Man screwed it up. People like Hitler and all of those you are talking about, screwed it up. It still doesn't make Christ any more a hater of Jews than Paul or anyone else. By the way, Christ and Paul were both Jews and this was well known in the towns they were from. Why would they bring violence or damnation upon themselves?

      • Jesusinator

        Why would god being all knowing allow this to happen then? He knew it would happen, when I was born he knew I woudl be doing this right now. Why create me then? Oh and freewill is lame excuse since the term “free” means to give something without expecting anything in return. Like you are free to not worship me but then I will send you to hell. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • RoguePatriot6

    "He wasn't speaking about all of the Jews"

    Chapter and verse please?

    Their is no records of the Romans executing a man named Jesus. Not one

    It's only logical, was not Jesus Himself a Jew? Were not some of His most devout followers, Jews? So, how would he condemn Himself or those who sincerely believed He was who He said He was? Jesus was turned over to the Roman army and they crucified him since, not a Jew, Scribe nor Pharisee that wanted Him dead, could legally do it. They could not find one thing that He did that they could actually condemn Him on, so they simply got someone else to do it and because of this Jerusalem suffered the consequences later on just as Jesus predicted and foretold.

    • RoguePatriot6

      You say that their isn't one mention on record of His crusfixion by the Romans however the destruction of Jerusalem, you can read about.

    • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

      You keep repeating this, over and over, using it as a magic wand against the argument that Jesus and hia followers were Jews, but not answering when asked EACH AND EVERY TIME to show how Hitler actually KNEW he was Jewish (he would have to for your argument to make sense) and how it could possibly co-exist with the contradiction of Hiler's theories of race (i.e. those with Jewish characteristics were seen as inferior). Did HItler send himself to a death camp?

      You've either completely ignored this, or pretended my argument was something it was clearly not (me denying Hitler was part Jewish, when I said that was not the part I was arguing against. being != knowing. )

      I guess It's much easier to repeat slogans than actually think.

      • Jesusinator

        I have to repeat it until you understand it. I see you failed to address the jesus comment <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          You ignore so much, it's the hate and bigotry, I understand that.

          Jesus wasn't a Roman citizen, why would they mention him? Josephus was a Roman Historian and he mentioned and researched Jesus. Pilot the Roman who sentenced Him to death helped found the Coptic Church in Egypt as Roman Governor there.

          You are just a hate filled bigot with your own talking points. Talking points that are muslim friendly.

        • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

          It's funny because you tell me I ignored something in order to ignore my post.

          So what? Even if I did ignore it, that doesn't make the claim about Hitler being part Jewish true, show how he identified as being Jewish (still waiting) or make sense.

          • Jesusinator

            Because he would not identify himself as Jewish. That still does not mean that his hatred for the Jews came from his christian education <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Come on wee wee. You small little man.

            You're still trying to make hitler into something?
            He was an evil monster, why can't you just leave it at that?

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            That makes no bloody sense. If Hitler didn't think of himself as Jewish, then the argument that Hitler was Jewish, and yet hated Jews makes no bloody sense as a counter to how supposedly Jews, who followed a Jew as messiah could hate Jews.

            "That still does not mean that his hatred for the Jews came from his christian education"
            I don't think this is what you meant to say, but I agree with the statement as stated.

          • Jesusinator

            Tell me. When has religion ever made sense to anybody? I was not hitler I never met hitler. All we can go by is his acttions and what he said. You can compare what he did to scripture. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You are a hate filled bigot.
            Christianity still makes sense to a lot of people, when they follow the teachings of Christ.

            And you always blame what Hitler did on Christianity without ever connecting his actions with the heart of Christianity, what Chrsitians look to for their leading, the teachings of Christ.

            You are just a bigot.

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            "You can compare what he did to scripture. "
            Oh, is that why you've been completely ignoring scriptural evidence for Hitler's actions when asked over and over and over and instead focused on the "history" of the chruch from 1000-2000 years after the death of Christ? Once again, you admit fairly openly your dishonesty. You know your being dishonest.

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Hahahahaha! You're so confident in your stupidity. Adam and Eve were the FIRST man and women. Jews weren't even identified as a people until thousands of years later (hint, "Isreal" is the name of their forefather).

            This would mean that Hitler's own anscestors were also kicked out of Eden!

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            And we're back to out of context verses, which you've already been refuted on. This is a verse about JEWS following the command of their God to rid the land of peoples (speficic people in at a specific time), so unless Hitler thought of himself as an ancient Israelite, this makes no sense.

          • Jesusinator

            Go talk to Hitler about it. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Yep, that sure showed how the verse wasn't taken out of context.

          • Jesusinator

            His beliefs not mine moron. He believed in jesus and that alone makes him christian <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • Ricky Michael

            Incorrect, Mr. Edwards. Belief alone does not do it.

            19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! James 2:19

          • Jesusinator

            Excuse you have to believe his the savior then act like the zombie in Miami and eat his body and drink his blood <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”RIGHT: auto” dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • Ricky Michael

            This makes zero sense to me. It's Miller time for you my friend. Go home.

          • Jesusinator

            You did not hear about the chirstian zombie in Miami? http://www.examiner.com/article/girlfriend-of-miami-zombie-rudy-eugene-says-he-was-a-religious-christian <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Yeah, bath salts had nothing to do with it, it must have been his Christianity! You are insane!

          • Jesusinator

            I never said that. He was however a Christian, Christianity is based on cannibalism Are you not taught to eat the body and drink the blood? <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            What does his being a Christian have to do with anything if you don't believe it was a factor in his being a canabil?

            We are taught the symbols of remembering Christ's death, eating bread and wine/Juice yes. Everything is changed in your filter of hate.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            He's just a hate filled bigot blinded by his overwhelming insanity.

            Don't worry, he's done for the afternoon.
            We won't have his crazy back until 8 am tomorrow when his office opens up.

          • Ricky Michael

            Yeah, I have but I don't see the relevence.

          • Jesusinator

            Eat the body and drink the blood <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • Ricky Michael

            Here is a classic example of why all things as literal in the Bible is WRONG. This is about consuming his teachings. Come on, it can't be this hard to understand.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Either defend your religion or don't. But don't pretend to while not giving a defense.

            You know very well if taken literally Christ handed them wine and unleavened bread.

            That is the literal event described.

          • Ricky Michael

            There is a huge difference between what Jesus said in John 6 about him being the bread of life compared to the Lord’s Supper in 1 Corn 11. In John, the discourse was all about consuming his teachings while in Ist Corn was about remembering his death thru the Lord's Supper. These are two totally different events.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Let's go back to his comment, shall we?
            "Eat the body and drink the blood"

            Since there was only mention of grape juice representing His shed blood at communion, how can he be referring to John 6?

            I see no mention of John 6 in his comment, and using it is laying out the weakest support possible with other choices being open to you as a Christian.

            Paul didn't use weak defenses for his faith. If you want to defend Christianity, Great! Go for it! Do it with everything you have!

          • Ricky Michael

            John 6
            53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For My flesh is food indeed,[h] and My blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”

            This is about believing in him and consuming his teaching.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Boy that really makes his point even more valid. Thanks for defending your faith against someone trying to smear it.

            Anything else you want to defend? Too bad you didn't tie that in with the literal grape juice that communion uses to represent his blood. You know, like other Christians understand it.

            There was literal blood shed for us, and we have to become born again and accept it. But you aren't explaining it that way. Why would you pander to someone attacking your faith and make your own beliefs look weak?

          • Ricky Michael

            Time to realize that the Bible is a great literary work, a Masterpiece that uses Hyperbole, the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression.

            You exhibit your opinion here (everything literal)and do not acknowledge the truth of the way the literature is written.

            We must agree to disagree here. I am leaving this discussion, for good. I do not wish to start another long drawn out dispute. Rog, please let this go. (after your reply, I am)

          • Ricky Michael

            1 Cor 11
            23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; 24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “Take, eat;[b] this is My body which is broken[c] for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”

            26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes.

            This is the Lord's Supper and remembering his death. This is different from John 6.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            yes, and it's also in Luke 22:20. That's why I don't see why with such a clear connection between his comment and the last supper communion you went with a much weaker connection that wasn't as strong, and didn't address his blood part of the comment.

          • Ricky Michael

            Rog, he does even want to try and understand. He has is aggenda, being the High Priest of Atheism.

            I am getting very busy with the my book. I am going to leave this to you. I will check in as much as I can.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why wee wee man, you small little tiny thing you.

            That's such a typical muslim talking point I'm wondering what white cap size you wear.

            You know that if taken literally that Jesus passed around a cup of grape juice and flat bread.

            Why the lies? It's bad enough you have an unreasonable hatred for Christians (pretending I'm not pointing to your muslim friendly positions).

            But to make things up then have people pretend to argue is a bit childish. Anyone with any passing acquaintance in the Bible is laughing at you and wondering when the sick started/

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Ok, so Stalin and Mao were communists, so then you will use the same fervor to condemn communism right?

            Sen. Hugo Black was a democrat and a racist (member of the Klu klux klan) so you will now condemn the democrat party because he followed the democrat party, and so that made him a democrat, right?

            You see your complete hypocracy, and how making sweeping generazliations about groups based on a single person is wrong? If not, there is no hope for you.

          • Jesusinator

            I hate communism. I am also aware that KKK in the infant and most powerful stages was a Democrat thing……………………glad I”m not one of those I wil never defend the liberals Here's the deal if Hitler would not have done what he did you idiots would love him and never question his religious views <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Hmm. that wasn't very strong. Come on. Get angry. I want to hear how evil those democrats are because they had KKK members.

            After all, that's how your treating Christians because Hitler *claimed* to be Chrisitan (despite his actions contradict the teachings of Christ, which you admitted, it doesn;t matter to you whether or not Hitler was following Christ's commands, his *thinking* he was a Christian is enough).

            "Here's the deal if Hitler would not have done what he did you idiots would love him and never question his religious views "
            This is just silly, and has a number of logical problems. One is, Hitler was a National Socialist (NAZI), and so, while right of communists (which doesn't really say anything) is politically very different than conservatism expressed here.
            Also, the whole statement is silly. Yes, if Hitler didn't do the things that caused him to be hated and seen as a vile person, there would be no need to hate him.

            Also, it is not Chrisitans, but aithiests (such as yourself) who invoke his name. If he did none of those bad things, then , yes there would be no need of athiests to invoke his name as an example of the evils of Christianity.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You judge yourself.

            And we are to be as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves.

            We don't have to be the stupid fools you try to pretend that Christians should be.

            You are just a hate filled bigot.

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Yes yes using my freedom of speech to (I think, considering quite politely and patiently) point out what you are saying is illogical and dishonest is just like HItler and is "judging" Now you are resorting to name calling instead of (once again) answering my arguments. Also, your attempt to try to silence Christians by trying to misuse Christian doctrine to turn speaking truth as "judging" is noted.

            Your just showing more and more how dishonest and hateful you are to the people here.

          • Jesusinator

            This is a hate filled radical right wing christian terrorits web site. I have answered your failed logic over and over and over again. You just don't get it, so don't blame me <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            more name calling. We're "terrorists" now even though there are no calls for terrorism. Keep digging.

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            ONCE AGAIN That SOME do so does not indite the site as a whole. Do articles here call for violence? NO!

            ONCE AGAIN you show your double standards. I'm sure there are plenty of liberal sites (or sites of any political spectrum, or group. Pick one.) that have commenters that call for violence, but that does not mean that the owners of the sites, or the majority of posters agree.

            There have been muslims on Jihadwatch that call for murdering infidels in the name of Allah, and commuiting genocide against Jews. So according your logic, Jihadwatch is a muslim terrorist anti-semetic genocide site! HA!

            Nothing is true to you!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It looks like the trolls are hounding you, even the thumbs are going after you.

            Hang in there, don't let them get you discouraged.

            Wee wee is part of a coordinated group that includes patriot here and a few others.

            You must be effective and hitting some nerves or they wouldn't be after you.

          • Jesusinator

            But you can blame islam on the world horrors <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Yep! You sure showed how much a hypocrite I am!

            After all, Mohammad (who lived thousands of years AFTER Christ) never tortured people to gain treasure, or raided from caravans, or had people killed for criticizing him, or said that Jews would be slaughtered by his followers in the last days! Nope!

            To condemn Jesus, you have to link it with violence in the OT. To condemn Mohammad you only have to look at his words and deeds, and thus illustrates YOUR hypocracy in your harsh condemning of one and not the other (making it that Christian is the source of violence in the world).

          • Jesusinator

            So if islam takes over as the dominate religion by slaughtering their way to the top and writes a NT to the koran then we can call them the religion of peace then huh? That is what your religion did. Slaughtered their way to the top, once they got there wrote a book then added it to the bible saying killing is wrong. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            If they reform their religion then it's a good thing. Why don't we wait and see if it happens.

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Yes, well, except that the commands to slaughter were for a specific time and place in Judeism, and in Islam I've already mentioned the Hadith that talks of slaughtering Jews in the last days. So your comparison is a false one.

            Yes, a NT version of the Koran would be great, but there are a number of road blocks. Mohammad would have to be rejected as a great example and the last prophet for one.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Wee wee, you want this both ways. You want to say Jesus didn't exist then you want to also attack what he said.

            Which is it?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            We question if he ever followed the teachings of Christ.

            You sad little, little tiny man you. Wee, what a name to pick for this profile. Did you think it was cute at the time?

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Hmm. Interesting, the Jews were commanded to slay themselves? I mean, the only way this would make sense is if "Amalek" meant Jews.

            Oh, no, they were Horites. Once again, you are being intentionally dishonest. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amalek

            The only way you can make the arguments is by disregarding history or the meaning of words. Dadaist philosophy! fish!

          • Jesusinator

            Really? This is what Hitler thought and what he used to further his “Postive Christanity” Take it up with him. He is after all one of your christian brothers <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            But it's an OBVIOUS false intrepretation of the scripture, misapplying verses that are obvously are being misused (as I pointed out with the target, Amalek). just because someone says "this books justifies A" doesn't mean it actually does, and if you go down this road then there is no such thing as truth at all.

            I can interpret the Origins of species to command genocide, or little house on the prarie to justify rape! context and original meaning be damned!

          • Jesusinator

            But the bible is not open to intrepation.it says so <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So you shouldn't try making it say things it doesn't say.

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            in·ter·pre·ta·tion/inˌtərpriˈtāSHən/
            Noun:
            The action of explaining the meaning of something: "the interpretation of data".
            An explanation or way of explaining: "it's open to interpretation".

            So the bible says one should not read it and try to understand what it'es saying? In fact, the bible says the opposite.

            You stil have to face the problem that either the bible says what it says, or if you ignore the logical problems of interpreting the bible this way then you have to treat every book this way, and there is no truth.

          • Jesusinator

            How do you know your interpreting it correctly? <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            It's called CONTEXT. I look at what the verses around a verse says, and the bible as a whole.

            For example, when a verse talks about slaying horites, I take it to mean slaying horites, and not Jews. (This is called common sense by the way).

            How do you know? Do you mean to say any interpretation is equally true?

          • Jesusinator

            And where in the bible does it say to do that? <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            ?? You quoted the verse above. 1 Sam 15:3. Do you have short term memory problems?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            He has all kinds of mental problems.

            I don't know if there is a medication for excessive hate.

            If there was we could slip it into the water and save a lot of muslim militants that have many of the same views as wee wee.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Where does it say in the Bible that the followers of Christ are to do the things you say in the old Testament? Chapter and verse please.

            And you, of course will use the ten commandments, but they say not to murder. So, I want the chapter and verse for the ancient Jewish texts you throw out.

            Such a small little man you are.

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Where does it say in the bible that it should be read out of context and misused by oppertunist haters to mean what it doesn't actually say?
            chapter and verse please.

          • Jesusinator

            “All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness…” No where does it talk about context <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So, are you admitting that God exists now?

            That's a real break through for a muslim kind of guy like you.

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Of course anything is ASSUMED to be read in context! You're saying because it doesn't say to be read in context, one should assume it should be read out of context? (because it doesn't say to read out of context, but you seem fine in doing just that). You're just (quite obviously) trying to justify your dishonest reading.

            Would someone read "Les Miserable" by reading random sentences in any order? Of course not!

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            This is a Jew saying this, so to take this as meaning against Jews(as a whole) is very unlikely. (And NO, don't say "hitler was part Jewish", it hasn't been proven, and is meaningless unless you show how Hitler was in fact a self-hating Jew, and acknowledge his Jewishness).

          • Jesusinator

            I don't have to show anything more than what I have. You can deny it all you want. Christainity stands alone as the reason for your christian brothers hatred for the jews. These come from Hitlers own words not mine <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            I deny it because you havn't shown solid evidence. It's rediculous to complain I'm not accepting your "evidence", after I point out how the verses are being taken completely out of context and showing how the verses make no sense to be used the way your using them ("burning coals" somehow being used to justify genocide against Jews). It just shows all the more your moral bankruptcy.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still the hate filled bigot.

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Yes, but what Hitler BELIEVED is irrelevant if you can't show how his beliefs aren't a complete twisting of what's written. You have not. In fact, you've admitted it doesn't matter whether or not HItler was in fact twisting scripture, he was still Christian and so Christianity is still to blame.

            By this logic I could take any book, like "goodnight moon" interpret it to call for the genocide against people, and it doesn't matter if that's not what the book says!

            To you everything is true, thus nothing is true.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You don't show any teachings of Christ lead to the things you keep saying Christians are doing.

            So, don't blame the religion for things that the religion doesn't teach.

            What a bigot you are.

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            You have kids that you spread your anti-Christian bigotry and hatred to? Now I'm depressed.

          • Jesusinator

            No I have kids that live a life of freedom and are not chained down by religion. However if they decided to join a religion I would not think any less of them and I would support them I bet if you have kids and they left christainity you would be depressed <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Then you really have no place quoting the Bible then do you?

            And why do you want those children chained by the horrible idea they evolved from primordial slime?

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            "However if they decided to join a religion I would not think any less of them and I would support them "

            So you don't tell them the things you say here, that Christianity is the source of great evil in the world and that Hitler was molded by his Christian beliefs?

            Well, that's good. I guess keeping work at work is important.

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Out of context, and also previously refuted, so once again you show your complete moral bankruptsy. Who had the sword? You mean the one Christ ordered Peter to drop? You mean all the swords he used to prevent his own death and overthrow Rome? Context! Context! Context!

          • Jesusinator

            Context is a BS excuse you use to make the violent history of your religon more peacful. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            But we're not discussing the violent history of my religion, and I'm not denying it. Once again, a red herring.

            We're discussing whether the scriptures justify genocide against Jews, or whether it commands violence in all times and contexts, and whether Jesus himself was violent. either you have to accept the context (Jesus was not violent, and did not command violence, and so this reading makes no sense) , or you have to disregard context completely, and anything can mean anything, and discussion is pointless, we are reduced to dadaist philosophy.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The Christian church has always grown the quickest when under persecution.

            You're just so hate filled, you don't admit what reality really is.

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Really? Did != commanded, thus that Christians were violent is ONCE AGAIN besides the point if they were not actually commanded to do so. Why is this so hard to understand?

            You can't actually show how Christianity commanded violence in the new testament (besides ripping verses out of context).

          • Jesusinator

            Have the heaven and earth passed away yet? I want a yes or no answer. Not some out of context lame a$$ excuse that you guys make. Yes or no. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Did you stop beating your children? I want a yes or no answer

            You can't see how completely dishonest your being?! This is called a "leading question". By limited the answers you are forcing the person to say something self-incriminating.

            I've already answered that heaven and earth has not passed away, but that you have a complete misunderstanding of what parts of scripture were commands for a time and place (commands to the ancient Isrealites to clear Caanan) and for all time (the ten commandments). But you, ignorance is strength.

          • Jesusinator

            Then the law is valid. Quit lying to yourself <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, that's why the ten Commandments are still against things like murder and theft.

            Written by the finger of God.
            And reaffirmed by Christ in the New Testament. So, we can follow those Ten Commandments as part of Christ's teachings since we 'Christians".

            You really are a dense muslim friendly kind of guy. Are you a result of muslim breeding? Is that why you can't flex and adapt any better than you do?

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Also, straw man argument. You are attacking an argument that I'm not making (that Christians were not violent).

          • Jesusinator

            You always say that when I back you into a corner <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            I actually laughed out loud. Yes, you sure backed me into a corner by attacking that argument I'm not making!

            I didn't ONCE say Christians were never violent. I've said that Christianity (you know, Jesus' teachings and actions) never taught violence. You haven't YET shown how he has (except taking some statements about future persecution against Christians that do not fit as calls for violence in the CONTEXT of Jesus' other words and actions), but pretend you did.

          • Jesusinator

            Is jesus god? Yes or no <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Uh, yes. (Don't know where you're going with this)

          • Jesusinator

            So you are going to sit here and say jesus never ordered anyone to be killed? God orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6). In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife. Al ot of killers in jail today live peaceful lives <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You still can't tie that to the teachings of Christ in his lifetime of teaching.

            What is wrong wee wee, are you muslim masters getting cranky with all your failures? Are you not able to drink enough from the flask to keep the inner demons at bay?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Are you backed into a corner?

            Yes. Over a year has gone by with your stupid hate against Christian things picked apart. And under pressure you revert back as if none of that had happened.

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            please, please read about basic logic and logical fallacies. You obviously don't understand them, and why they are bad.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Foolster. Wee wee has been making these same arguments for two years. Every time he finds someone new he goes after them and pretends that the things we've been telling him ever happened.

            He knows they're troll growls from under his muslim friendly bridge. He knows. Nothing you tell him will matter and when you're done batting him around (as you've been doing quite well) he will ask the next reasonable person the same things as if none of it happened.

            There is a reason for that. http://islammonitor.org/index.php?option=com_cont

            It's no accident he just happens to land on the muslim friendly talking points the way he does.

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Who did the dividing? It's apparent that the "dividing" by those who hate Christians. (Matt 10:22) people like… you. Christ never commanded violence.

          • Jesusinator

            HE never commanded it because he never existed <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            So, you realize that works both ways, right? That means he never said Luke 12:51 as well.

          • Jesusinator

            I do. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So you're just a hate filled bigot being offensive over things you don't care about?

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            By the powers invested me, by the internet. I now pronounce you hate filled bigot. You may kiss your ego.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You noticed that too huh?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You say that as if hate is a bad thing.

            With all the hate you have, that must be a lot of self hate in you. Does that explain the drinking issue perhaps?

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Another lie and you show how pathetic you are. I don't hate anyone. Show me something I've said that I hate all non-Christians. Of course you can't.

            I haven't been spreading lies about a group of people based on dishonest and illogical thinking.

          • Jesusinator

            OF course you have. You have spread lies about your nazis brothers trying to distance yourself from them <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            So, apparently I hate all non-Christians because I don't believe Christ ever taught to be violent (which you cannot prove otherwise)? And that makes me… like HItler? Logic!

          • Jesusinator

            If christ and god are the same people (which you admit they are) then yes. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It makes no difference, if you admit Christ is the same as God and we follow the teachings of Christ then why do you keep hounding us here at these forums with the old texts meant as one time instructions to the Jews?

            You should be focused on the teachings of Christ, unless you're just a paid hack troll with weekends off as you admitted in this comment.

            3 minutes ago @ Frontpage Magazine – Unmasking Muhammad's D… · 0 replies · +1 points
            "Most people don't work weekends. I am just here to expose you for the muslium you are Achmed"

            Did you have to get seniority at the troll center before they gave you weekends off?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            His nazi brothers?

            You're the one with the love affair for Hitler.

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            In other words HItler completely misunderstood his "lord"'s words. Jesus IF, implying it is not. Your saying HItler beleived the opposite, and thus fought. In other words, he went the opposite direction from the teaching of Christ.

          • Jesusinator

            HE thought he was a soldier for christ. It is failry evident he knows more about christianity than you do. You show you don't understand it enough to comment on it <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Uh, what? I can read a conditional clause (IF) correctly.

          • Jesusinator

            You have shown you do not understand your religion. You're just like most of the rest on this biased Anti-American Christian web site. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            He has shown, and you have reinforced it, that you hate Christianity and just can't see past all the hate.

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Ha! Your the one who is quoting and intpreting scirpture out of context, and when I point out how it's out of context (and understand how conditional clauses work) *I* am the one who dones't understand Christianity! It's bizarre-o world! Up is down! Truth is lies! Freedom is Slavery!

          • Jesusinator

            I am? I am Hitlers own words and privates notes on how HE compared himself to jesus and the bible. You're out of contect excusse and complete lack of understanding shows your ignorance on religion. FAce it all regions are man made no gods are real and all they have done is cause billions of deaths <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            Yes, yes. I have the lack of understanding because I'm taking scripture to mean what is clearly written.

            After all, I'm the one who's interpreting "Amalek" to mean Jews, and taking general comments about persecution against ones own group as calls to violence, despite any actual calls to violence (and the opposite), and confusing Adam and Eve (Pre-Isrealite peoples) with Jews. You got me!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So the delustional man who never followed a teaching of Christ and thought those other strange things you just pretended to read someplace, you think he was an example of Christianity?

            Hahahahahahaha…..

            Oh wee wee, your mosque needs to hire a better troll. You're not even fun to mock any longer.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you proved once again you know nothing and aren't here to prove anything other than to meet your quota of daily comments as you sit behind a work terminal during normal business hours.

          • Looking4Sanity

            I hope you realize that on the Day of Judgement you will be held to account for every mocking statement you have made. I'm glad you like Hitler so much, because you have a standing reservation to spend all of eternity with him and many other equally unhappy people.

          • Jesusinator

            I hope you realize your god is just as real as the rest of them man has made up. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you weren't any better than evolved mud.

            That explains why you can't keep up with the people who designed by the Creator.

          • Looking4Sanity

            Take your time. You've got all of eternity to re-evaluate your faulty conclusion.

          • Jesusinator

            So what makes your god real and all other fake? People from other religions feel just as strong about their god as you go yours. So if we use your logic you will end up in Sheol <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You reject any sanity about this.
            You reject any evidence about this.

            You are the swine that we are told not to throw pearls to.

          • Looking4Sanity

            I'm willing to chance it. Did any of those "other religions" have a savior who healed the sick, cured the blind, cured leprosy, raise the dead, or rise from the dead themselves?

            I thought not. My money is on the Jewish carpenter.

          • Jesusinator

            Well since all those things you mentioned were stolen from other relgions that is an easy one: http://surge.ods.org/idle_religion/other_messiah.htm <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Wee wee, you are such a pitiful little thing you.

            You bounce all over. Either say Christ existed and was wrong, or say He didn't exist. But to go back and forth shows you don't really believe either one.

            You're just flopping around looking for something to hide behind so you can spread more hate.

          • Looking4Sanity

            In the eyes of the simple-minded, everything appears simple.

          • Jesusinator

            Thanks for admitting your simple minded. Of course most who believe in mythical beings are. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • Looking4Sanity

            Kind of like how you believe in evolution when there is absolutely no proof of it anywhere, right?

            You're such a simpleton.

          • Jesusinator

            http://www.evolutionfaq.com/articles/five-proofs-… Wrong again. So have you been through a box of twinkes today? <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            That's written by biased people, so it can't be taken seriously. Kind of like when you said that about Matthew and John two of Jesus's disciples that you won't take seriously.

            Biased people don't make credible sources, remember?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, she's admitting you're simple minded.

            You just couldn't figure that out, and why?
            You're simple minded.

          • Looking4Sanity

            Try fixing yourself. You're one broken little troll. I'm glad we're helping you look productive to your supervisors though. Keep tapping those keys…you might even get promoted to lead douche!

            Take a slug on the old flask for me while you're at it.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Is there an eye witness that he ever puts the flask down?

          • Looking4Sanity

            If there were, I'm sure he'd be biased and therefore we could dismiss his testimony out of hand.

          • Jesusinator

            I'm not the one willing to kill another human over a god. You're the one who needs fixing. Maybe some exercise as well. I walked 2.5 miles last night as I do every night. Give it a try might help your self esteem <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”RIGHT: auto” dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course you are wee wee.
            Remember saying this?

            24 minutes ago @ Breitbart.tv – Soldier Found Guilty i… · 1 reply · +1 points
            "The whole town needs locked in the church and the church set on fire. IMO "

            What's wrong, are your handlers wanting you to pretend you're less the hate filled bigot?

          • Looking4Sanity

            Thanks, Rog. I was just going to mention that. Apparently, hypocrisy and lies are sacraments of the religion of "science".

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I don't think he's even pretending to be using science.

            More like 'bigots' have a screed all their own too.

    • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

      And looking at that link you used as "proof", I don't really see very strong evidence he was even 25% Jewish.
      http://www.huliq.com/10128/hitler-dna-reveals-sec

      There are absolutely no citations for this, just a few names, and based not on direct genetic sampling, but on 39 descendants of Hitler. Also, neither is a genetisist or scientist, but a Journalist and Historian.
      The article seems to even back off from making the claim that Hitler was absolutely 25% Jewish when it says "Statistically, this rumor, if true, would mean that Hitler was 25% Jewish.".

    • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

      http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/961/Wetenschap/article/d

      This dutch page appears to make the OPPOSITE Claim, that Mulder's tests showed Hitler had NO Jewish blood.
      http://www.knack.be/nieuws/wetenschap/hitler-was-

      Though this one claims he did, but doesn't mention Mulders (but is linked from a huffington post article that mentions Mulders.

    • Follower of god

      So you found no Roman record of anyone executing a man named Jesus? Did you try his Hebrew name?

      As you know English language did not exist yet that that time. Latin, Aramaic and Hebrew are what the main languages of Jesus’s day and in this part of the world wore.
      Another reason why you could find anything is maybe they got lost or destroyed; come on it has been almost 2000 years since it happen. And the Crucifixion was recorded by Believers and non-believers alike.

      So look for your proof, True Christians – We don’t need it- We Know it’s true.
      Just because you can’t prove it doesn’t mean it’s not true.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Where do you ever offer proof of anything?

        You ignore Pontius Pilot helping to found the Coptic Church as a first had witness to Jesus.

      • Looking4Sanity

        Matthew 16:4:

        A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas.

        • Jesusinator

          What proof do you have to back that claim up? <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You're biased, so you can't discuss this.

            Not according to your own standards.

    • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

      Some humor for you, that illustrates how I believe Hitler would really see being Jewish: http://www.randompics.net/?p=29960
      Enjoy!

  • RoguePatriot6

    "You realize Christanity is the greatest lie ever told? By putting forth confusing and internally conflicting information, your logical mind (i.e. your neocortex) is overwhelmed. You try in vain to integrate such contradictory beliefs, but it can’t be done. The net effect is that your logical mind disengages because it can’t find a pattern of core truth beneath all the nonsense, so without the help of your neocortex, you devolve to a more primitive (i.e. limbic) mode of thinking. You’re taught that this faith-based approach is a more spiritual and conscious way to live, but in reality it’s precisely the opposite. Getting you to distrust your own cerebral cortex actually makes you dumber and easier to manipulate and control."

    Okay, man, whatever. I'm no more "controlled" than you are by this liberal propagandist garbage that loves to paint Christ and His "TRUE TEACHINGS THAT ARE FOUND IN THE BIBLE" as a motivator for Hitler and the holocaust. It doesn't make Him any more a Christian than it does you.

  • RoguePatriot6

    " But still, nowhere did he mention specifically homosexuality. "

    And the first two chapters of Romans, Paul also didn't specifically say "homosexuals" however there's no doubt that's who he was referring to.

    • Eyes_Open

      And there is no doubt that it is Paul and not Jesus that makes those statements after Jesus' death. His own flawed bias and spit interjected. In the same chapters he condemns those that would seek to judge others, saying that only the lord has that right.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        And your flawed statements are due to your bias and spit interjected. Only they were there at the time and knew what they were talking about, you don't.

        • Eyes_Open

          But you claim that you do? You are foiled by your own logic. You don't know what they were talking about, and after centuries of re-translating the all male bias to obtain totalitarian power surly skewed the wording out of it's original context anyway. Assuming it had any "original" context and simply wasn't made up for their own purposes.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course we know. The scriptures are well documented with seven old manuscripts.

            The dead sea scrolls rip apart that old worn out and flawed argument. The Bible says what it says.

            And the original context and content was clear, how God was willing to work with flawed humans.

          • Eyes_Open

            "The Bible says what it says. " Yes, in over 50 different versions. Each one slightly different to all the others.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, each one a translation from the very same greek texts.
            Some aren't 'translations' but are paraphrased versions.

            But those aren't intended for serious study.

            The Bible says what it says.
            You silly, silly pagan you. Why so cranky? Not enough human sacrifices lately or something?

          • Eyes_Open

            I went to a southern Baptist church with one of my cousins last weekend, at his request. We weren't there 30 minutes when they started eating human flesh and serving human blood to the elders and children alike. We figured we should get out of there before they started sacrificing live virgins at the alter like they did in the old days. You people are really twisted, you shouldn't be disparaging any other faith with crap like that going on in your own faith.

          • RoguePatriot6

            Okay, I honestly thought that maybe you had some intelligence in your head until you posted this.
            Eyes_Open, you are just determined to demonize anyone following Christ because there's some scriptures in the bible and their are some teachings that you don't agree with for whatever reason or vice that you might want to cling to. Now, instead of letting that go, you find it much easier to try and discredit God, the bible or people who try to live a life that He would approve of.

            Do you really think they were serving actual human flesh or blood, SERIOUSLY? LOL
            It was unleavened bread and grape juice symbolic of the blood and flesh that Christ willingly presented as an offering for the sins of mankind, to include yours if you would just accept the fact and act on it.

          • Eyes_Open

            Actually it was Saltines and grape wine. And my point is that all religions can be twisted into something they are not by people that are intent on making them look evil. This is a game Roger loves to play, that all thinks not Christian are evil. He loves to twist things and then jump on any statement taken from the bible that he deems out of context and yell about how everyone is twisting his religion. Just a little tit-for tat.

          • RoguePatriot6

            The same game Roger loves to play?
            You and your friend Jesusinator could write volumes about that particular "game" I have a hard time considering it "a game" because it's "games" like that, that's lead people to believe that Jesus Himself was like who they painted Him as. That has also lead to alot of the bias and predujudice displayed by both of you and millions of others. Believe me, it's not a game. Playing with God's word has lead to unspeakable disatres, wars and attrocities.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It's always fun and games when they use hate.

            When we defend ourselves it suddenly is 'ugly' to speak out.

          • Eyes_Open

            Yes, by believers that have used those words to gather followers and war on those that don't believe the same.

          • RoguePatriot6

            But none of it justifiable through the teachings of Jesus.

          • RoguePatriot6

            It's ironic that you say this because that's precisely the point I've been trying to make all along. It's also very confusing that in light of this that both of you would then say that "Christianity" has been the cause of countless horrific attrocities and not the vile, psychotic twisted people who committed them who would use any means to justify their actions.

          • Eyes_Open

            You are incorrect, I do blame the people and the ORGANIZED religion for the crimes committed in the name of the religion. What Jesus taught was for the most part good and kind, it has been those that followed him that twisted his words and used the few tantrums that he did have to taint the larger groups to do evil in the name of their religion. I see Jesus as a great philosopher, nothing holy or divine, but a man with a good idea. The "church" has twisted his teachings, and as they have controlled access to the original religion, they were able to bend it to their will. Since Martin Luther first translated the scriptures, that corruption has decreased, but the churches still hold a great sway over a very large part of the population and many will accept a churches explanation of a verse even if it doesn't make any since, so the church is still in charge of most Christians, not Christ.

          • RoguePatriot6

            "You are incorrect, I do blame the people and the ORGANIZED religion for the crimes committed in the name of the religion. What Jesus taught was for the most part good and kind…"

            You and your friend have been bashing Christianity since this article was published. You've also denied the very existence of Christ. I know for a fact your friend has, yet when he wanted to trap or warp a few scriptures, all of the sudden Christ was real. You do the exact same thing, you SAY you don't think that Christ was who He said He was. You believe that He was a great philosopher until you find that his teachings or ideas conflicts with certain aspects of your personal lifestyle or beliefs, then all of the sudden "it can 't be prooven that he really existed", "there's no record of His existence or crusifixion anywhere in recorded history", "it's a plagarized story copied from pagan religions…etc" You pick and choose what you want to believe and then disregard the rest as myth or "someone injecting their bias or hatred…"

            No different from the people you accuse of doing the what you actually have done.

          • Eyes_Open

            You are mixing my beliefs with Mr. Edwards. We do share some of the same ideals, but not the same beliefs. I don't deny that Jesus existed, there is enough anecdotal evidence for that to be the probable case so I accept that as true. I don't believe him to be divine because there isn't enough evidence for that and there is a large amount of evidence to the contrary, besides the fact that the gods don't sent mortal children to interact with us, but that's my religion.

            When I "corner" people with scripture it is because they claim to believe in the scripture, not me, but aren't following when they claim to hold so dearly.

            "You believe that He was a great philosopher until you find that his teachings or ideas conflicts with certain aspects of your personal lifestyle or beliefs"

            There are many great philosophers, but I don't agree with everything any of then wrote or said. That is the treasure of an open mind and free thought, you can disagree and still think someone has some good ideas.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            it's as if you both have assigned talking points.
            And the overlap says more than the small insignificant differences.

            You both are muslim friendly and hate Christians conveniently enough.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Grape juice and unleavened crackers scare you that much?
            This from a pagan that is part of a religion using real human sacrifice?

            Those aztec pyramids weren't for grape juice.

          • RoguePatriot6

            Interesting point!!!!
            And for all that are reading this, notice that Roger did not twist anything, they actually did this.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            They've had this discussion down and used it over and over.

            And they'll trot it out again and again no doubt.
            But the facts are what they are.

            You can always tell when wee wee/jesusnator is wearing down, his joined at the hip (front/back) buddy shows up to take over the attack on Christianity.

      • RoguePatriot6

        "His own flawed bias and spit interjected. In the same chapters he condemns those that would seek to judge others, saying that only the lord has that right. "

        We all have the right and RESPONSIBILITY to discern right from wrong. If we didn't we would live in a world of lawlessness…well…that's actually not far from where we are at now….however that's not the same as context he used when he spoke about "judging" in earlier scriptures. If what you say about "judging" is true than all of those who painted Hitler or any of the other vile and ruthless dictators as nothing but vile and ruthless would be guilty of what you are talking about. In fact we wouldn't even have the right to teach our own kids right from wrong.
        Before you accuse Paul in what you call this "plagerized story" if remember correctly called the New Testament, of interjecting his flawed bias and spit, maybe you should carefully examine some of the comments you post, lest you be guilty of "judging".

        • Eyes_Open

          I don't have a reason to follow that ridiculous line of thought. But a Christian that claims to follow Christ's teachings must also follow his commands not to be judgmental and to love everyone regardless of whether you agree with what they are doing. The secular world and the secular governments have kept us from falling into the chaos of lawlessness, not a religion. If you don't believe that, just look at the countries of the world that are ruled by theocracies. Beheading those that don't agree, segregation and rape in the streets, and the victims are punished for coming forward. That is where theocracies lead.

          • RoguePatriot6

            "I don't have a reason to follow that ridiculous line of thought."
            ???????????? What particular thought were referring to?

            "But a Christian that claims to follow Christ's teachings must also follow his commands not to be judgmental and to love everyone regardless of whether you agree with what they are doing."

            I love my children however I don't aggree with all of their deeds. I am going to be very frank in teaching them right and wrong and to do that, guess what, I'm going to have to tell them the difference between right and wrong. Just because I may disagree with them doesn't mean that I hate them. If I didn't care I wouldn't make the effort to do so.

          • Eyes_Open

            But do you also treat people outside you family with the same care. Jesus said love your neighbor and your enemy, and not to judge them. Or is this reserved for only those that agree with your way of life?

          • RoguePatriot6

            Oh, so the bible is no longer a "myth" or "plagarized" story?

            There's something about people of your mindset that I've noticed. You SAY you don't reallly believe the bible is the word of God yet you will try to use scriptures against people, when you THINK you can trap us them with some.
            The answer to your question is "yes". In fact as we speak, myself and my wife are trying to help someone get back on their feet and many times I've given the homeless and poor food when I could spare some or afford to buy it for them.

          • Eyes_Open

            No, it is still a myth. I was just curious if you followed what you claim to believe in. It astounds my how many people are in the news (I know only the worst get the headlines) that claim to follow the teachings written about Jesus, which include not judging others and brotherly love, but then go on record as hating homosexuals and wanting them all lock away behind electric fences or killed or shipped to an island somewhere.

          • RoguePatriot6

            Yea, I know what you mean. I personally know hundreds of Christians that hate homosexuality and other forms of immorality yet love the faithful as well as the people that practice those things. I know only the worse get the headlines also and the people that I just mentioned probably won't get one second of air time.

          • RoguePatriot6

            "The secular world and the secular governments have kept us from falling into the chaos of lawlessness, not a religion. If you don't believe that, just look at the countries of the world that are ruled by theocracies."

            I honestly don't know if you are just trying to be funny or what. I really do hope you are joking. Are you kidding me, really? Secular governments have kept us from lawlessness? I supposed Mao and Stalin would agree, eh? Oh yea truly, civil and pleasant societies. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            Some of the most ruthless and vile world leaders were atheists, period.

          • Eyes_Open

            And many were very religious, beheading someone for not following a religious dress code, stoning a rape victim. Drowning someone for using herbs to cure childhood ailments, crushing them for not "admitting" that a non-existent spirit was in their body controlling them. These were all carried out by religious governments.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And pagans just murdered because the blood and gore was fun for them.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch

          • RoguePatriot6

            And Mao, Stalin and Lennin slaughtered countless millions that never practiced any of what you mentioned. A great many were slaughtered simply because they knew Christianity challenged their authority. Or maybe like you, some of the scriptures stepped on their toes or went against some of the things they practiced.

            John the Baptist suffered a simular fate when He was beheaded.

          • Eyes_Open

            And Christians slaughtered millions while to spread across Europe, because the pagan religions stood in the way of the "churches" agenda. So it does go both ways, neither is right.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It does not go both ways.

            Those Christians did not follow what Christ taught them.
            They used religion as an excuse, something pagans do with human sacrifices.

          • RoguePatriot6

            None of which is being perpetrated by present day Christians.

          • Eyes_Open

            Not true.
            http://thisculturalchristian.blogspot.com/2009/10
            http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/34944_Afr
            http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33356826/ns/world_new

            Unless you want to use Rogers excuse that these examples of ongoing abuse by Christians following their church doctrine don't count because they are in Africa.

          • RoguePatriot6

            Roger didn't say that, he said, "They used religion as an excuse, something pagans do with human sacrifices." And I'm quite sure I could probably dig up something just as horrible over the past 2-3 years that those of pagan religions did too. So what's your point? We have twisted sick people in the world, who use religion to justify their own base desires. No kidding, agreed. My point was simply that if you read the bible none of the New Testament teachings justify any of it and that those that do it are simply pulling some scriptures out of context to justify or legitimize what they are doing.

            However, in the case of Islamists, they aren't, they are doing exactly what Muhammad told them to do. "Slay and subjugate the infidel or unbeliever…." is pretty straight forward.

          • Eyes_Open

            You said "None of which is being perpetrated by present day Christians."

            My point is that these things ARE still going on. I never said that the NT called for them, but their church does. And yes Roger has said that in past threads. I don't keep up with him so a I can't give you the exact thread.

          • Ricky Michael

            I would have to agree. Pulling verses out of their context is and has been a huge problem. I would venture to say that one could pull verses out like that and prove the moon is made out of green cheese.

            Churches, like Westboro, have been doing exactly as you portray here. They justify their actions with out of context scripture, perverting the true message being taught, IMO of course. I am a Bible purist, and practice the teachings as written.

            Yoru statement concerning Islamist is also acurate.

  • RoguePatriot6

    Okay, Jesusinator, you win. You don't want to believe in God and choose not to. I give up. Greek historians along with other writers wrote of the existence Jesus and it's no use telling you who they were or what they wrote because you would say that they too, were somehow biased, which by your own definiition, doesn't make you anymore qualified to disprove His existence, how ironic.
    You claim that these stories Herculese and Zeus greatly resemble the same story however I know that you won't even consider the possiblity that the writers and creators of both, plagerized God and the people who wrote of Him, not the other way around. I wish the best for you and I go in peace. I hope that someday you will find the same.

    • RoguePatriot6

      "And it was the other way around. Paganism was around before Christianity."

      Evil has been around since day one and God explains this in the bible countless times. Paganism has been around in the sense that this form of evil existed before Christianity. That doesn't neccessarily mean that specifically the story of "Herculese or Zeus" existed before then.

      • Jesusinator

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        • RoguePatriot6

          No, He created us and later we decided or chose to do evil. and as far as that "lame excuse" called "free will" is concerned, if he controlled our will then none of this would be neccessary, would it? Jesus wouldn't be neccessary nor his teachings if He controlled our will. It's hilarious how those who constantly deny God would than ask, why would He allow this to happen? All throughout history He's allowed the consequences to be suffered by those who constantly chose to be hardheaded and they too had the audacity to blame Him for it.

          I guess it never occured to them that the reasons that He forbade them to do certain things were because of the things He knew they would suffer by doing them anyway. Naaahhh, of course not, He was just being oppressive and hateful. What a joke, LOL. Satan used this same lame ploy when He tempted Eve, when he told her that God just didn't want her to be on equal terms with Him. Now, I know that you won't bother to even consider looking into this either, since obviously this was juust another myth.

      • Eyes_Open

        Christian "soldiers" killed thousands, and you want to call pagans evil. The various pagan religions existed over 12,000 years before the first monotheistic religion reared it's ugly head. There are factual, historical evidence of benevolent pagan religions existing in the middle east and Europe millinia before the Christian bible even claims that the world existed. The stories referred to in Greek paganism have been fond on scrolls and statues dating back 1000 years before Christ so it isn't likely that the Greeks plagiarized the Christians, but the other way around does seem par for the course.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          Pagans have used human sacrifices throughout history, like on the Aztec pyramids.

          And these Christian soldiers, can you show where they did it to follow the teachings of Christ?

          That's why pagans are evil (no respect for life) and Christ is not, He did.

          • Eyes_Open

            Over all the months you have professed this, you still haven't been able to give me one single example of an "evil" deed perpetrated by a Wiccan. But I have given you many examples of "Christians" doing evil things in modern times, such as the Baptist in Africa killing their own children because they think they MAY be evil and their pastors tell them to kill the children. You always fall back on the one or two completely unrelated religions for your talking point. Put up or shut up, hack.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Over the months you have kept lumping Christians in one group I keep lumping pagans all in one group as an example to show you're just lashing out. And in your previous comment, the one I was responding to, you used the word 'pagan' so it's deserved.

            Deal with it.

          • Eyes_Open

            If you wish to address the pagan's as a group, then they would be equivalent to the monotheistic group you belong to, which would make your group responsible for all the beheading in the middle east. Deal with it.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            See, you silly pagans just never face reality.

            It must be all those human sacrifices over the eons.

          • RoguePatriot6

            And it would make your group for 100 times as many, world wide.

          • Eyes_Open

            Not if you include all the genocide described in the bible. How many times did the god of the bible wipe out the entire earth except one small group. How many plaques were cast on the enemies of the "chosen people". How many wars launched in the name of "God".

            Most, if not all, wars fought by polytheistic religions were for secular purposes and not in the name of religion.

          • RoguePatriot6

            "Not if you include all the genocide described in the bible."

            Sure it would and you want to know what's funny? You in your comment:
            "The various pagan religions existed over 12,000 years before the first monotheistic religion reared it's ugly head.", kind of confirms that you did.

            If paganism existed "12,000 years before we reared our ugly heads", than wouldn't it be reasonable to believe that they were killing and pillaging long before we arrived?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, but the blood thirsty pagans murdered anyone who could write or record it. Of course there were a lot more savage human sacrifices than just the ones that might leave the bloody history.

            He needs to remember those purges that God commanded were to stop the human sacrifices. Kind of explains why he's still mad about them.

          • Eyes_Open

            Not for religious reasons and not in the MASS numbers that were done by monotheist.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You are still spinning lies I see.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch

        • RoguePatriot6

          "The various pagan religions existed over 12,000 years before the first monotheistic religion reared it's ugly head."

          Wow, okay, I don't know where you got that information from. I'll have to do alittle research myself, or actually a bit of a memory refresher. Because if my memory serves me right, I've read countless accounts of attrocities committed by pagans and mind you not only from the bible but all throughout secular history. Also, if I remember correctly, their doctrine commanded them to do so. Christianity, spoken by Christ or anywhere in the New Testament never commanded or condoned this. Now, if someone chooses to take a few scriptures and twist them (which can be done by anyone with any religion) that too, as I explained before was their doing, not Christ nor His ways or teachings.
          Which brings me to my next observation. How, could anyone not view the attrocities committed by pagans following their pagan beliefs, to be at the very least, as "ugly" as those commited by Christians or those who professed Christianity? Were not the attrocities commited by pagans just as immoral and horrific, if not more?

          • Eyes_Open

            You are falling to the same incorrect comparison as Roger. Comparing "pagans" to "Christians" is apples and oranges. Paganism is a category of religions A.K.A. polytheism, where as Christianity is a specific religion within the category of monotheism.

            True some polytheistic religions were brutal and ugly, so are some monotheist ones. To make the comparison you must be more specific, or more broad. Are Christians liable for beheadings in the middle east? If not then you can't blame all pagans for the atrocities of a few groups. That is something Roger tries to do over and over because he isn't bright enough to understand the difference. Most polytheistic religions are benevolent, but as you say anyone can twist something to justify a horrific act despite the original intent.

          • RoguePatriot6

            Whether or not it falls under "polytheism" or "monotheism" is irrelevant to my point. My point, as I have tried to make this clear to your freind Jesusinator, is that ultimately we all are going to answer for what WE did, period. And no matter which way you slice it, no one but no one using the scriptures of the New Testament in their proper context can condone or justify any of the horrible acts that those who professed to be Christians did during the Crusades, Holocaust or Inquisition.

          • Eyes_Open

            I agree with your last sentence entirely. Twisting a religion to get the outcome you desire will have it's own judgment. Whether or not we answer for it, and how, is a matter of each persons faith and beliefs. WTE doesn't believe in anything after this life, so for him there is no answering for the wrongs of this life. For that I hold deep respect, to know that there is no judgment but still want to do what is right is strength of character, regardless of what you may think of him on this site. I believe that doing wrong pushes you back down the path of enlightenment which will extend your trails, which gives me motivation to do right, over and above the since that it is the right thing to do. Christians have the worst of it, you only have one chance to get it right or your doomed. Personally I'm glad you(meaning all Christians) will get another chance, but I understand that you don't believe that and I respect your will to try to get it right the first time.

          • RoguePatriot6

            "Christians have the worst of it, you only have one chance to get it right or your doomed. Personally I'm glad you(meaning all Christians) will get another chance, but I understand that you don't believe that and I respect your will to try to get it right the first time. "

            You might have to explain this again. Do you really believe that Christians only believe we will get one chance? If that were the case we would have been "doomed" milleniums ago. In fact, the Church (and I'm not referring to the Catholic or Protestant church, I'm speaking of the Church that was born in the 2nd Chapter of Acts) would not even exist if Christ didn't believe in second chances.

          • Eyes_Open

            By that I meant that you only get one life time on this Earth to get it right, you don't believe in reincarnation. I'm sure you have many chances within that time, but when it's up you don't believe that you come back to improve on things.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            We don't have to 'get it right'.

            Christ got it 'right'. All we need to do is accept His redemption for us.

            And you pagans, you don't even get that. I never did understand what exactly your paganistic rituals offer you long term.

          • Eyes_Open

            Obviously, and you never will because you are too stuck on thinking that everyone that doesn't believe whatever you say must be evil. You can see nothing because your eyes are closed.

          • RoguePatriot6

            God all throughout the Old Testament gave man 2nd chances and 3rd and 4th and 5th and 6th until He knew there was absolutely know turning back. Then He just allowed the things that He warned them about to actually happen. He gave the Israelites over to their enemies and countless others after countless chances. When you really look at it, God didn't bring misery to the world, we brought it on ourselves and did it all out of free will.

            We treat every chance as if it were our last just as we treat every day as if it were our last.

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  • ziontruth

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    Shut it, anti-Semitic scumbag.

  • Ghostwriter

    Oh brother! Schlockmotion,why don't you and Jesusinator go back to the hole from which you came? Why don't you stop your obvious Jew hatred?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    What's wrong? Has someone else realized you're just a hate filled bigot too?

    You really need to cut back on that little flask.

  • Drakken

    No Roger, he is just a muzzy loving traitor.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    I can't argue with that.