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	<title>Comments on: A Nation of Takers Hurtles Toward the Fiscal Abyss</title>
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		<title>By: Jim_C</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim_C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 05:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not all that impressed by your coherence, either, since you either dismiss or ignore my points out of hand. But I&#039;ll bite: 
 
&quot;When employment is high, you won&#039;t be able to keep a good employee for compensation that is not competitive.&quot; 
 
Yes, when employment is high, there&#039;s not much to argue about, is there? 
 
Maybe, just maybe, if wealth wasn&#039;t personally hoarded by our wealth generators and instead of funding, say, tax lobbyists and political bribes, a bit of that wealth (wealth, of course, singlehandedly and without any outside help whatsoever generated by these producers) money was actually poured back into the company so that Joe Schmo enjoyed some of those profits, too, Joe could go out and purchase more stuff, which creates demand, which creates more employment, etc. And guess what? Our producer is still wildly, and deservedly, rich! 
 
Or we could continue to cut jobs while the job cutters continue to get their bonuses, and our government will continue raising their taxes, until we finally have a real s__list state, which I assure you, I do NOT want. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m not all that impressed by your coherence, either, since you either dismiss or ignore my points out of hand. But I&#039;ll bite: </p>
<p>&quot;When employment is high, you won&#039;t be able to keep a good employee for compensation that is not competitive.&quot; </p>
<p>Yes, when employment is high, there&#039;s not much to argue about, is there? </p>
<p>Maybe, just maybe, if wealth wasn&#039;t personally hoarded by our wealth generators and instead of funding, say, tax lobbyists and political bribes, a bit of that wealth (wealth, of course, singlehandedly and without any outside help whatsoever generated by these producers) money was actually poured back into the company so that Joe Schmo enjoyed some of those profits, too, Joe could go out and purchase more stuff, which creates demand, which creates more employment, etc. And guess what? Our producer is still wildly, and deservedly, rich! </p>
<p>Or we could continue to cut jobs while the job cutters continue to get their bonuses, and our government will continue raising their taxes, until we finally have a real s__list state, which I assure you, I do NOT want. </p>
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		<title>By: reader</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 01:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So this is your idea of being coherent? Good grief. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this is your idea of being coherent? Good grief. </p>
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		<title>By: reader</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 01:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What point? You mean, the Bush is bad and Obama is good? And, by the way, what infrastructure did Obama erect with all the money he wasted and the deficit he bloated? All I know he all but destroyed NASA and the military.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What point? You mean, the Bush is bad and Obama is good? And, by the way, what infrastructure did Obama erect with all the money he wasted and the deficit he bloated? All I know he all but destroyed NASA and the military.  </p>
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		<title>By: JoJoJams</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 22:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Spam ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spam </p>
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		<title>By: Jim_C</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim_C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 22:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And I suppose not letting the Bush tax cuts expire will make employment high, again, somehow, even though they never did anything toward that end? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I suppose not letting the Bush tax cuts expire will make employment high, again, somehow, even though they never did anything toward that end? </p>
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		<title>By: Jim_C</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim_C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 22:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Slaves at least get housing and food. If you&#039;re not paying people enough to cover that, your community and your polity are going to have issues.   
  
This was the great unfettered vision of the titans of late 19th century industry. It&#039;s been done. It didn&#039;t work. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slaves at least get housing and food. If you&#039;re not paying people enough to cover that, your community and your polity are going to have issues.   </p>
<p>This was the great unfettered vision of the titans of late 19th century industry. It&#039;s been done. It didn&#039;t work. </p>
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		<title>By: Jim_C</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim_C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 22:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right, but it doesn&#039;t negate my point.   
  
Europe ain&#039;t that bad. They take &quot;family values&quot; seriously there (in terms of public policy/resources) and they still believe in a Commons, which has been a dead idea to us for the last 30 years. That said, yeah, I wouldn&#039;t necessarily want to try to open a business there, either.  
  
If you&#039;re looking to goad me to defend &quot;gender studies&quot; you have the wrong guy. On the other hand, it&#039;s becoming a trend in academia to add entrepreneurship courses and real world &quot;capstone&quot; experiences to humanities curriculum, which I think you would agree is a positive step. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, but it doesn&#039;t negate my point.   </p>
<p>Europe ain&#039;t that bad. They take &quot;family values&quot; seriously there (in terms of public policy/resources) and they still believe in a Commons, which has been a dead idea to us for the last 30 years. That said, yeah, I wouldn&#039;t necessarily want to try to open a business there, either.  </p>
<p>If you&#039;re looking to goad me to defend &quot;gender studies&quot; you have the wrong guy. On the other hand, it&#039;s becoming a trend in academia to add entrepreneurship courses and real world &quot;capstone&quot; experiences to humanities curriculum, which I think you would agree is a positive step. </p>
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		<title>By: Jim_C</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim_C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 22:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Definitely a liberal, and oh so special in that I am a lightbringer to conservative fantasies. 
 
You&#039;re welcome! ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely a liberal, and oh so special in that I am a lightbringer to conservative fantasies. </p>
<p>You&#039;re welcome! </p>
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		<title>By: Roy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 21:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When &lt;i&gt;Kamisha&lt;/i&gt; collects her welfare income-RE-distribution what does she sing?&lt;i&gt; 
 
HI-HO, HI-HO.... 
it&#039;s off to work this ho goes..... 
to pick Yo pockets and leave Yo wit locusts 
 
HiHo..Pass da MAYO!&lt;/i&gt; ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When <i>Kamisha</i> collects her welfare income-RE-distribution what does she sing?<i> </p>
<p>HI-HO, HI-HO&#8230;.<br />
it&#039;s off to work this ho goes&#8230;..<br />
to pick Yo pockets and leave Yo wit locusts </p>
<p>HiHo..Pass da MAYO!</i> </p>
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		<title>By: Roy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh Flubber! You are SO special......and prolly a liberal. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Flubber! You are SO special&#8230;&#8230;and prolly a liberal. </p>
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		<title>By: Roy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Loyal Achates,  
 
How does one  pronounce your name? ~ Is it &lt;i&gt;Royal Arse Ache&lt;/i&gt;? 
 
........as in,  
&lt;b&gt; My most blessed big butt hurts me because it is my second most used part of my anatomy?&lt;/b&gt; ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Loyal Achates,  </p>
<p>How does one  pronounce your name? ~ Is it <i>Royal Arse Ache</i>? </p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;..as in,<br />
<b> My most blessed big butt hurts me because it is my second most used part of my anatomy?</b> </p>
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		<title>By: reader</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[reader]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Try to be coherent for a change. When employment is high, you won&#039;t be able to keep a good employee for compensation that is not competitive. And when you need a special talent, you will have to pony up to keep the talent from leaving. That is basic, in addition to being moral, because nobody trades anything down. So, on the macro level, a leader - not a marxist ideologue - would and should be concerned with keeping employment high, not with what you do with your employees.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try to be coherent for a change. When employment is high, you won&#039;t be able to keep a good employee for compensation that is not competitive. And when you need a special talent, you will have to pony up to keep the talent from leaving. That is basic, in addition to being moral, because nobody trades anything down. So, on the macro level, a leader &#8211; not a marxist ideologue &#8211; would and should be concerned with keeping employment high, not with what you do with your employees.   </p>
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		<title>By: Mary Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Sue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh and of course this has NOTHING to do with how much these corporations get taxed in jurisdictions like New York [/sarcasm] ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and of course this has NOTHING to do with how much these corporations get taxed in jurisdictions like New York [/sarcasm] </p>
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		<title>By: reader</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[reader]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Obama sure is helping to move people fast from the working class straight to the long lines of the welfare rolls - that&#039;s a helluva opportunity. Of course, a couple of hundred thousand in student loans for a gender studies degree will help those pesky Obama voters from ever getting a full time job. In case, you&#039;ve never been to Europe, this is where it&#039;s going fast, and, contrary to what liberals believe, most of Europe does not look like the Louvre and the Colliseum. Most of it looks like housing projects with permanent uneployment in double digits and high prices on everything driven by VAT and gozillion of other tax schemes. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama sure is helping to move people fast from the working class straight to the long lines of the welfare rolls &#8211; that&#039;s a helluva opportunity. Of course, a couple of hundred thousand in student loans for a gender studies degree will help those pesky Obama voters from ever getting a full time job. In case, you&#039;ve never been to Europe, this is where it&#039;s going fast, and, contrary to what liberals believe, most of Europe does not look like the Louvre and the Colliseum. Most of it looks like housing projects with permanent uneployment in double digits and high prices on everything driven by VAT and gozillion of other tax schemes. </p>
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		<title>By: Mary Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Sue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wrong, your payments paid for retirees that had retired before you started working and during the course of your working life.  That&#039;s how much of a Ponzi scheme it is. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong, your payments paid for retirees that had retired before you started working and during the course of your working life.  That&#039;s how much of a Ponzi scheme it is. </p>
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		<title>By: Mary Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Sue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Slaves are involuntary.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slaves are involuntary.   </p>
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		<title>By: Mary Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Sue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wrong. 
 
Bill Clinton&#039;s failed Freddy Mack and Fannie Mae policy (and its other architects, Barney Frank and Chris Dodd) is what got you into that mess.  Bush tried to put the brakes on lending money to people that cannot pay it back but were unsuccessful. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong. </p>
<p>Bill Clinton&#039;s failed Freddy Mack and Fannie Mae policy (and its other architects, Barney Frank and Chris Dodd) is what got you into that mess.  Bush tried to put the brakes on lending money to people that cannot pay it back but were unsuccessful. </p>
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		<title>By: Mary Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Sue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please to explain why the states that are doing the worst financially and economically are California and New York, the states that tax the most out of their &quot;evil rich&quot;? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please to explain why the states that are doing the worst financially and economically are California and New York, the states that tax the most out of their &quot;evil rich&quot;? </p>
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		<title>By: Mary Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Sue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That was ultimately Clinton (and Barney Frank and Chris Dodd)&#039;s fault. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was ultimately Clinton (and Barney Frank and Chris Dodd)&#039;s fault. </p>
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		<title>By: Jim_C</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim_C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 17:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, Roy, you don&#039;t belong to some special &quot;voter base&quot; of taxpayers--we ALL pay taxes.  I happen to be a business owner. We added three professional jobs last year because we had demand. Nobody likes taxes but I&#039;m not crying about them; they didn&#039;t prevent me from hiring. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Roy, you don&#039;t belong to some special &quot;voter base&quot; of taxpayers&#8211;we ALL pay taxes.  I happen to be a business owner. We added three professional jobs last year because we had demand. Nobody likes taxes but I&#039;m not crying about them; they didn&#039;t prevent me from hiring. </p>
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