Iran Senses Western Weakness

Bruce Thornton is a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, a Research Fellow at Stanford's Hoover Institution, and a Professor of Classics and Humanities at the California State University. He is the author of nine books and numerous essays on classical culture and its influence on Western Civilization. His most recent book, Democracy's Dangers and Discontents (Hoover Institution Press), is now available for purchase.


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As the clock ticks closer to a nuclear-armed Iran, the Western powers are girding their loins for––more talks. Actually, they’re getting ready to talk to Iran about the conditions for talking some more. EU foreign policy head Catherine Ashton announced that the “P5 + 1” powers (the permanent Security Council members plus Germany) hoped to persuade “Iran to move away from its nuclear program,” and expected “from the contacts we’ve had that this process can now move forward swiftly and seriously.” Ashton didn’t produce any evidence why the Iranians would voluntarily give up the bomb, or how yet one more round of negotiations, like the so-called “crippling sanctions,” will produce anything other than giving Iran more time to “swiftly and seriously” achieve nuclear-weapons capability.

Meanwhile, the Obama administration keeps shifting the conditions under which the U.S. would take military action. Secretary of State Clinton on February 29 three times told the House Foreign Affairs committee that “it’s absolutely clear that the president’s policy is to prevent Iran from having nuclear weapons capability.” A few days later anonymous “administration officials” said Clinton had “misspoken,” which Obama confirmed in his speech to AIPAC where he several times asserted that “obtaining a nuclear weapon,” not capability, would be the casus belli, even though he has no clue exactly how we’d know the mullahs had nuclear weapons before they announced it to the world, the same way we found out Pakistan and North Korea had them. The purpose of this shift is obvious: it provides more time for “diplomacy” and “sanctions” to work their magic, and puts more pressure on Israel not to do anything that might make unpleasant headlines compromising Obama’s reelection. However, the history of Pakistan and North Korea’s acquisition of nuclear weapons shows that the consequence of this delay will be a nuclear-armed Iran.

But that contingency doesn’t seem to bother Obama’s academic allies like Bruce Ackerman, who recently provided a specious justification for inaction in the Los Angeles Times. The Yale law professor asserted that American support for a preemptive strike on Iran “would be a violation of both international law and the U.S. Constitution.” The Hoover Institution’s Peter Berkowitz dismantled Ackerman’s tendentious and erroneous interpretation, which Berkowitz shows is an attempt “to bend the precedents and provisions of international law and twist the facts of American politics to conform to their policy preferences.” The left’s hysterics about the illegality and immorality of “preemption,” of course, has always been an ideological pretext for demonizing and hence discouraging U.S. military action, which to the left is almost never justified, given America’s neo-colonial crimes and oppression.

But preemption has for millennia been an obvious common-sense response to an aggressor. The 4th century B.C. orator Demosthenes used a memorable metaphor for preemption when he was trying to rouse the indolent Athenians to use force to resist Philip II of Macedon’s aggression: “To manage war properly, you must not follow the trend of events but must forestall them . . . But you Athenians, possessing unsurpassed resources––fleet, infantry, cavalry, revenues–– have never to this very day employed them aright, and yet you carry on war with Philip exactly as a barbarian boxes. The barbarian, when struck, always clutches the place; hit him on the other side and there go his hands. He neither knows nor cares how to parry a blow or how to watch his adversary.” In other words, anticipate the aggressor’s actions, and, as Nathan Bedford Forrest supposedly put it, “ Get there firstest with the mostest.”

So much is mere common sense, but common sense is woefully lacking in the West’s response to a regime of religious fanatics in pursuit of nuclear weapons. Unwilling to act, whether because of fear, ideology, or political self-interest, Western leaders continue to camouflage their inaction with sanctions and diplomatic palaver. Yet the historical record of both in deterring a committed aggressor is one not just of failing to stop aggression, but of enabling it. The Thirties, of course, provide numerous examples, starting with the League of Nations’ toothless response to Japanese aggression in China, moving on to the flaccid reaction to Mussolini’s invasion of Ethiopia, and culminating with the Munich conference that delivered Czechoslovakia to Hitler and paved the way for World War II. In each case, sanctions and talk led to more aggression, because the aggressors correctly interpreted that sanctions and words were the face-saving excuses of nations afraid to act.

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  • StephenD

    Mr. Thornton, a well thought out piece this. How sad that we, outside of any official capacity, are able to see clearly the lopsided and unearned trust placed on the words of a deceiving enemy. As you point out, common sense isn’t. Common sense is not common in officialdom. Like Demosthenes, I see their talk apart from swift determined action as vain and idle.

  • WilliamJamesWard

    How is it possible for any sane person to believe anything anyone says that prefaces their conversation
    with the stated desire to destroy you and all of your kind to the last child while obliterating any possible
    trace of your existence. While this is happening to Israel with Iran as the villian Israel is supposed to
    rely on allies such as America to help in it's safety while the President Obama puts roadblocks in the
    way of Israeli's security and plays delaying acts to give Iran the time to fulfill its desire to make the
    nuclear bomb and missiles to deliver them. Has the Israeli government not come to the conclusion that
    Iran means what it says and Obama does not, isthere a mental magic wand that needs to be waved
    to wake up all Jews and their friends that it is show time and they are living in a sea of lies. Israel must
    act and as soon as is possible, Obama is ready and eager to betray them………………William

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

      Obama's muslim heritage can't be forgotten.
      Not when it influences his actions so regularly.

  • RiverFred

    Israel will do what it has to do when the red line is near. All Obozo cares about is getting reelected and couldn't care less if Iran develops the bomb prior to his election.

  • mrbean

    Two major thingsthis week. President Obama the sorriest excuse for a commander in chief to ever exist again apologizes to the Muslim world and says that the killing of the civilians (by a obvious deranged soldier on a ramage) and the execution of American soldiers are somehow equivalent. The sooner we get this George Soros house n*&ga out of the oval office the better. Then, when the former member of the Clintonite Castrati, Secretary of Defense Panneta arrives in Afghanistan, all the Marines and Soldier have their ammunition and weapons taken away before he arrives to address them. This gelding wimpissimo has got to go too along with the post menopausal hag Hukkary Clinton who is the inept Secrtetary of State. Weakness on display.

  • Old_BBart_School

    "It's a lie, I tell ya!" ~ Hillary Clinton

  • maturin20

    There is more to the history of international relations than Munich, 1938.

  • Stephen_Brady

    "As the clock ticks closer to a nuclear-armed Iran, the Western powers are girding their loins for––more talks. Actually, they’re getting ready to talk to Iran about the conditions for talking some more."

    The North Korean ploy. After they agree to the conditions for the talks, then they have to agree about where everyone will sit, at the table. Everyone has to agree to everything. The result? No one agrees to anything, but the talking goes on!

  • tagalog

    The one crystal-clear message that America ever sent to the Islamic world was when President Reagan sent an air strike to Libya to strike at Moammar Quadaffi to retaliate for Lockerbie.

    Muslims GOT that message, and we didn't have any global troublemaking from Quadaffi from that point on.

    It ought to be understood that it's not the Muslims who have failed to learn their lesson.

    If there's one thing Muslims and Arabs and Iranians/Persians know how to do, it's talk with the West, and talk…and talk…and talk.

    • aspacia

      tag,

      Don't you mean lie.

  • BLJ

    Talk is cheap when it comes to the Iranians. They have been at war with America since 1979. The problem is that we have been too stupid to see it.

    Go back in time a bit to 2003 when the U.S. invaded Iraq. The mullahs in Iran were soiling their pants thinking they were next. Suddenly they wanted to cooperate with the rest of the world.

    They have zero respect or fear of Obama.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

      I guess they don't believe our media like the liberals here do.

    • tagalog

      We haven't been too stupid to see it; we've just ignored it. We are also ignoring the role of mainstream Islam while we've been trying so scrupulously to distinguish between the "moderate Muslims" and the "extremists," not that there's much difference (it's kind of like the difference between an actual soldier, armed and on the front lines as opposed to the civilian back home, who most likely supports the soldier's effort).

      The result: we're losing both the Afghan and the Iraq wars. And we're not even standing up before Iran as they become a nuclear power, with capabilty to attack Israel, who they intend to destroy at the first opportunity.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    I don't have any faith in the current political establishment whatsoever. As this is the same crew that before the smoke even cleared from the 9/11 violent jihad attacks were already proclaiming Islam to be a so-called Religion of Peace™ being hijacked by a tiny minority of extremists and thereby simultaneously implying at the same time that the vast overwhelming majority of Muslims in the world are moderates. Which, by the way, is a false fantasy based PC multicultural myth in case you are wondering.

    Then instead of outlawing Islam and banning and reversing mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage because it is really covert and deceptive non-violent jihad for the purpose of infiltration and stealth demographic conquest, GWB instead doubled the size, scope and power of the federal government like a Dhimmicrat on steroids without regard to how it was going to be paid for, ostensibly to protect the homeland from so-called terrorist attacks, but really to create a false sense of security so that we could continue accommodating mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage.

    Hence, the predictable outcome is today the homeland is even more vulnerable to violent jihad attacks by virtue of the fact that we have far more covert jihadists living in America as a fifth column today than we did before 9/11, and the instant the economy headed south in 2008, budget deficits and the national debt both skyrocketed through the roof out of control. Of course, all of this was premised on the false fantasy based PC multicultural myth that Islam is a so-called Religion of Peace™ and that the vast overwhelming majority of Muslims in the world are moderates.

    If that wasn't enough, the Bush administration also pursued two ill fated fantasy based nation-building missions in Iraq and Afghanistan premised on false PC multicultural myths and misconceptions about Islam, like, for instance, Islam is a so-called Religion of Peace™ and that the vast overwhelming majority of Muslims in the world are moderates.

    However, the reality is just the opposite, all Muslims in the world are either covert and deceptive non-violent jihadists, which constitutes the vast overwhelming majority of Muslims in the world, or otherwise violent jihadists, which constitutes only a tiny minority of Muslims in the world, and the few that are not jihadists are not Muslims at all, but instead blasphemous apostates that per the dictates of mainstream orthodox Islam must be executed.

    Hence, both fantasy based nation-building missions in Iraq and Afghanistan were about as counterproductive and insane as lifting up Hitler and the Nazis after WWII. As all Muslims on earth are the eternal mortal enemies of all non-Muslim unbelievers in the world. They were also both preordained to fail and inevitably turn into the the two biggest strategic blunders ever in American history, which like clockwork they did.

    Hence, why should anyone have any faith that our current political establishment will be sane enough to act rationally to stop Iran before it gets nukes and changes the world as we once knew it forever? The world's only hope rest in the hands of the Israelis, while the Obama administration denies them the resources necessary to ensure the success of their mission.

  • tagalog

    IT'S TIME FOR THE UNITED STATES TO GET OUR TROOPS OUT OF AFGHANISTAN!!!!

    DO YOU HEAR ME NOW…?

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

      Or time for a president that wants us to actually win.

      You know, drop the rules of engagement that would ruin a soldier for shooting a tractor with escaping enemy combatants? http://washingtonexaminer.com/news/world/2012/01/

  • randy

    And with china and russia backing iran, talk of invading is insane.

    • Stephen_Brady

      No one's talking about invading Iran, except for people like you, Randy.

      We and Israel should just blow the heII out of Iran's nuke facilities. If they fire one missile in retaliation at Israel or a tanker in the Gulf, we take out Kharg Island, which destroys Iran's economy, likely bringing down the regime.

      Do you get it, yet? Weakness leads to aggression. Strength deters aggression. We are showing weakness, and forcing Israel to act in her own behalf.

      Reagan called the USSR the "evil empire". The Left, in the US, believed that the result would be nuclear annihilation. Reagan continued being strong. There was no nuclear war. The USSR fell.

      Stiffen your spine, son, and you will get far, in this life …

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Wee, you don't know what a line is.

    You advocate violence at the drop of a hat when you don't even know the story.

  • Saltire

    All the Islamic countries are sensing the U.S. weakness. Even some of our long time allies are questioning our resolve.

    In the Islamic world, strength equates to respect. And, at the moment, they do not see us as having political or national strength.

    Iran is aspiring to be the imminent power in the Middle East. As they show their intent to stand up to western influences, other countries such as Syria will flock to align with them.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

      Syria has been aligned with them since before Saddam was taken down. But the rest of your comment, it's spot on!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Nope, I didn't know about the movie until you, in your great wisdom on things fetish provided a link.

    And you're not the first troll to try hounding me. And what is page 54 pray tell? Is that where you get your mouth back?

    • FigPucker

      Don't be be shy now! I researched the phrase because of your repeated use of such a lovely metaphor! If "Roger", the debased perv of Nebraska, keeps using such an interesting reference, then surely it needs to be googled?!! Like "jeepwonder" needs to be googled…

      Page 54 of your pathetic novel … the one where Billy goes into the closet and tastes his own posts, so to speak. Do you really want to have a detailed discussion about *that*? I'm not sure anyone but you is interested in such filth. But feel free to elaborate. The moderators probably won't inform the FBI…

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

        So, the recycled troll that had such a foul mouth was bedtime. Are you back under yet another guise?

  • Stephen_Brady

    Like that evil warmongerer, Winston Churchill, right?

    Oh wait, he turned out to be right about Hitler. I almost forgot …

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Is your middle name "Neville Chamberlain"?

  • kasandra

    Well, what do you suggest? What are your favorite options? Talk some more? The Iranians have already admitted that they talked for 6 years to the Europeans in order to buy more time for their nuclear program. Do you doubt that's what they're doing here with our dear leader? Do you think the world will be a better or worse place with Iran having nuclear weapons. Should the Israelis simply ignore the Iranian threats of the last 33 years. You don't like what this article says but what do you say? Trust the Iranian government? Are you willing to stake you life or the lives of millions of Israelis on the belief that MAD will deter a regime that preaches genocide and believes massive conflict it must take place to assure the return of the 12th Mahdi? I see your e-mails here and you're always quick to criticize but you're sort of way short on specifics or suggestions.

  • mrbean

    That;s right. "$hit happens in war and better it happens to them than even one American soldier." This nation building with combat soldiers and Marines serving multiple tours with ridiculous rule of engagment tryimg to make Muslim sand n&^ggers civilized is futility Kill ;em all and let Allah sort 'em out. Better than a waste of American lives and American wealth we no longer have.

  • justquitnow

    So if Iran gets the bomb, it will help Obama get reelected?

    Yes, I know anyone who doesn't want to bomb right now is an appeaser and a pussy…I understand that is where you're coming from.

    Since RiverFred seemed to think that Obama would be helping himself to let Iran get the bomb…we were talking about whether or not that was true. But thanks for the non-sequitor.

    BTW…if you want an example from the past, you don't have to go all the way to WWII, you can look at the Iraq war and all the weapons of mass destruction we found.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Did we have a war in the region when they bombed the nuclear site in Syria?

  • kasandra

    The problem is that "the hurry" is that Iran may have nuclear weapons within a few months and once that happens the whole calculus changes. Stuxnet, assasiinating scientists, etc. may have delayed it but now we're at the moment of truth. Face it, Iran is not going to give up it's program as a result of talk or sanctions. So the options are very limited and it appears the use of force is going to be the only realistic option. It's not a question of being for or against war. It's a question of what is necessary and what the best means are to achieve it. Don't flatter yourself that you're for peace and everyone who thinks that an attack on Iran's nuclear weapons program is necessary is a war monger. It's not that simply. No one, WANTS (to use your emphais) war. But, also, most don't WANT the destruction of Israel or a nuclear attack on it, the U.S. and our European allies.

  • aspacia

    juststop,

    You might want to peruse Dr. Michael Ledeen about the Iranian Time Bomb: http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=123

    Your views apear very myopic and lacking in balance. Many are saying Iran is a threat, the this country has sponsored many militant attacks against our soldiers stationed in the ME.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    That would be a car bomb, and the muslims do it.

  • mrbean

    18 months a fireteam leader Lima CO 3rd bat 3rd Marines killing zipperheads. Nothing like the smell of napalm in the early morning nor the sound of the distant rolling thunder from B-52 carpet bombing in the evening. And I love the rules of engagement. Kill everything in front of you!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Are you marxist of muslim heritage like our president?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Try opening your window.And I'm nobody but myself. And this open forum means anyone can answer any of your comments.If you're not comfortable with the format, there are other options available.

  • mrbean

    Go grunt one out and sit in it. Love the smell of your own heh heh heh

  • Ricky Michael

    I will add you to the being "Stalked" by roger list. You are in some very good company. He is theSelf Proclaimed Interent Super Hero.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Iran seems to.

  • kasandra

    Right on. It wasn't Israel or FPM that said "If a day comes when the world of Islam is duly equipped with the arms Israel has in possession, the stategy of colonialism would face a statemate because application of an atomic bomb would not leave anything in Isreal but the same thing would just produce damages in the Muslim world." The quote was from Ayatollah Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani, then President of Iran. I don't recall Israel threatening Iran with nuclear distruction or, in fact, in any other way except in the context of the Iranian nuclear program.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    There are people that realize the Neville Chamberlain approach doesn't provide peace.

  • kasandra

    Do you seriously believe that? Who are these people of whom you speak that want a war? I think you are confusing wanting to eliminate the nuclear capacity of a mortal threat to Israel and eventually the U.S. and Europe with wanting war. No sane person wants war except as the last realistic resort. I'd like to see some examples of who you mean.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Please, please don't make more stupid comments, I beg of you…..

  • aspacia

    justquit, you are the troll

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Oh wee wee, still the small, tiny tiny little man?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Such a calm and reasoned response from you, finally.

    For a moment I thought it might just be another hate filled rant with nothing to back it up.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Thank you for your service.

  • Ricky Michael

    semper fi.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    No, I admit I've chatted with you before.
    You're the one that located my home, described my yard, contacted my publisher and posted fake reviews on a book you never read.

    Now, what to discuss what defines 'stalker' by any chance?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Sure wee. Why is size such a issue for you again?

  • ObamaYoMoma

    Do you know anyone who is Muslim?

    Only oblivious morons ask such utterly dumb questions. All Muslims, per the dictates of Islam, are obligated to maintain nothing but enmity in their hearts for all non-Muslim unbelievers. How many Muslims do you know you gullible useful idiot?

    Are you surrounded by Muslims?

    No since if I were I would be a violently oppressed and systematically persecuted, when not outright slaughtered altogether, dhimmi like all Christians and other non-Muslim unbelievers living in their draconian Islamic totalitarian hellholes as less than second-class dhimmi citizens throughout the Islamic world are today. Apparently, you are 100 percent completely oblivious of Islam and Muslims, yet you are dumb enough to object to my posts. Amazing. We don't call you self-hating delusional leftists wingnuts for nothing.

    Did someone open a Mosque down the street from your house?

    Thankfully no, but nonetheless the number of mosques in America have doubled already since 9/11. Not to mention that mass Muslim immigration to the West is really covert and deceptive non-violent jihad for the purpose of mass infiltration and long-term stealth demographic conquest.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Surah 9:29
    They pretend it's taken out of context, That is until you mention they are actually doing what it says.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Poor little wee.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Wee, I know as a size challenged person you're going to be defensive.

    The intense debate system is set up to encourage keeping track of people.
    I am simply taking advantage of it as it's meant to be used.

    Locating my home, describing my yard and contacting my publisher rises above that. This forum is for discussions, even if you constantly lose them.

    Real life is another thing entirely.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Poor little, tiny angry wee wee.
    Did you have another liquid lunch and come back angry?

    Are you going to call "Ender's Game" a flop too? And says it's full of evil and stuff?

    That says enough about your taste in books. Do you read much outside of the koran style of writings?

  • WeeToddEdwards

    You are taking advanatge of it to stalk people you disagree with. Why do so many people tell you to quit trolling and leave them alone? Because that is what you are doing. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • WeeToddEdwards

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  • ObamaYoMoma

    I know a couple.

    No you don't, you are a damn liar. Per the texts and tenets of Islam, Muslims are forbidden from being friends with non-Muslim unbelievers, especially severely mentally incompetent ones like you.

    They are about as devote and enveloped in their religion as the jews and Christians

    I hate to rain your moronic parade, but Islam is not a faith-based religion like Christianity and Judaism, as first and foremost it requires complete, total, and unconditional submission to the will of Allah, while at the same time forbidding the freedom of conscience, and it enforces that tenet by making blasphemy and apostasy capital offenses. Hence, Islam is 100 percent totalitarian.

    Indeed, Islam is not a religion at all you moonbat. Instead Islam is a supremacist theo-political totalitarian ideology that masquerades as being a religion to dupe the gullible societies it intends to render into a very draconian form of Islamic totalitarianism via the imposition of Sharia for the purpose of stealth demographic conquest to make Islam supreme.

    Hence, not only are you a damn liar, but you are also an ignoramus of enormous proportions at the same time.

    But by your logic, they are not Muslims or not true Muslims…

    Actually, all Muslims in the world are either non-violent jihadists (the vast overwhelming majority) or violent jihadists (a tiny minority), and the few that are not jihadists are not Muslims at all, but instead blasphemous apostates that per the dictates of mainstream orthodox Islam must be executed.

    which is like me saying that Christians are all commanded by their religion to kill abortion doctors….

    First of all, quit denigrating and attacking Christianity like a bigot as Christianity doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with the Muslim invasion of America. Moreover, the notion that Islam is a religion is a false PC multicultural myth. Again, Islam is a supremacist theo-political totalitarian ideology that masquerades as being a religion to dupe gullible useful idiots like you.

    you say that your a Chrisitan and that's not what you believe…so presto chango..you're not a true Christian.

    Where? When?

    You have to see how weak your logic, So let's see, you have no exposure to Muslims, probably never met one, you haven't seen some influx of Muslims in your community and your feeling that there is mass Muslim immigration is enough to make it so? Did I miss anything?

    You are hilarious. How old are you? Twelve?

    If you are born in a certain part of the world, you will be raised a Muslim. That's a lot of people to hate and fear.

    Hey…It's not my fault that Islam makes it an obligatory duty for all Muslims to fight jihad in the cause of Allah against non-Muslim unbelievers to make Islam supreme. Moreover, I don't hate Muslims. Nonetheless, I recognize the fact that, per the texts and tenets of Islam, they are waging a perpetual jihad of conquest against all non-Muslim unbelievers in the world to make Islam supreme via total warfare, which employs both violent and non-violent means.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    They are what they are.
    And their defenders always deny that.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Poor little tiny wee wee.
    Still upset over your size issue?

    You just completely proved you're the stalker btw, what did your comments on this thread have to do with the content of the story?

    You simply used the system to follow me here and attack me personally. You are what you complain about. Projection, it's not a pretty thing.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Why not just accept that the koran is what they live by?
    http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/9/

    9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Exactly, you comments have nothing to do with the story.
    So you realize you're the troll.

    Of course you won't want to change that.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Says the guy who stalks people in the real world and not on this forum?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    So, how does this explain where your 'line' is?

    24 minutes ago @ Breitbart.tv – Soldier Found Guilty i… · 1 reply · +1 points
    "The whole town needs locked in the church and the church set on fire. IMO "

    Does that mean your 'line' allows and demands vigilante justice with no trial or investigation?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    And you're the self proclaimed bible expert that doesn't think you need to be born again. John 3:3

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    You never read the book, I can tell or you wouldn't be so far off base.

    Does the koran not allow reading secular books?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Are you going to pretend you're a veteran while you're manufacturing a profile history?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    The weapons Clinton went to congress about?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    As much as I hate to intrude. What he just said? It's not true.

  • Ricky Michael

    Oh, yes it is true. He is His Royal Trolliness.

  • WeeToddEdwards

    Not sure. I don't know much about the koran. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Ricky Michael

    Now he's mad at two girls, Lips and Bearcat. They were being mean to him over there on the last site he was banned from.

  • Ricky Michael

    I think it's funny how he can be so very hostile on this site but when he goes over the KATU and says something to you he becomes this oh so very nice person. Can you think of a word that describes that kind of behavior?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Asking if you work for a government agency that provides your terminal at work to spread propaganda isn't 'trying to find your employer'.Not like describing my neighborhood. The two simply don't equate. Not like Ricky emailing me and demanding to pull my photo and quit commenting.For you two to try labeling me a stalker when you're both actually doing so, it's funny in a sad way.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Yes, in this case you are.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Still making up quotes?You still didn't get the headers right.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    It seems to be in line with your approach to things.

  • WeeToddEdwards

    Following me replying to EVERY SINGLE COMMENT I made is stalking. Most people disagree and move on. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • WeeToddEdwards

    Not me. You are the liar. You just don't like getting a taste of you're own medicine <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    It's called following.
    You can do it officially in this system or just check the comment stream.

    If you don't like the heat, there are other kitchens.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Oh look what you just posted on another story.

    1 hour ago @ KATU – Portland, OR – Boy, 3, shoots and kil… · 1 reply · +2 points
    "I work in the Safety/Environmental field. I agree though"

    Why not just admit it. You work in a government office where you are provided a terminal and post propaganda all day against anyone that's Christian friendly?

  • SheilaJacksonLeeHERO

    WeeTodd,

    I would love to have more information about Roger.

    He has stalked me and reported me at least a hundred times on the Big sites. I had to change my name from bedtimefrobonzo to countless others to try and stop him from stalking me.

    But for whatever reason, he has an absolute obsession with you. And watching the way you have completely exposed and embarrassed him is a service many are grateful for.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Wee wee, you small little man.
    If I were truly stalking you or anyone, I would just brag about it and mock you with it constantly. I wouldn't crawl around in the shadows and deny it later, after I had described your yard.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    I'm not mad at them. They're interesting and speak their minds.
    If I was upset it would be at the people who did have me banned, and according to private emails with Griz, you aren't exactly portraying it the way he did without your ears listening in.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    I find it amusing when you limit everyone else to your level of conduct. And then when anyone shows you just how limited you really are you get all shocked?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Did ever email you at a private email address and say things like you need to pull your profile mr Stalker?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Wee wee, you were so consistent. I used to be glad for the end of the business day so you would shut up.

    I was glad for weekends so you wouldn't be there to disrupt real conversations.

    Why wouldn't I admit to noticing your predictable patterns?

  • Ricky Michael

    I never asked Griz to have you banned. I told him to do whatever he wanted with his website. And that if he decided to keep you around That was ok with me, I would just deal with it. After HE did it, I thanked him for the relief away from you.

    You have my permission to copy this reply and send it to Griz. Check up on me if you like Your Royal Trolliness.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    You pretend you had that much of an individual influence.

    You marching as a human centipede in lock step with wee. Front to back, not joined at the hips side to side like most

  • WeeToddEdwards

    Sure I did. IF you copy this comment the header will look the same.You fail Try again

  • WeeToddEdwards

    That shows you were stalking the time I was on here

  • WeeToddEdwards

    I deny I stalked you. You stalked me. You were just to dumb to hide your identity thats all. Google jeepwonder. You should have quit stalking me when I asked you and this would have never of gone this far. You brought it on yourself.

  • WeeToddEdwards

    What? I'm not shocked about anything. I find it hilarous you try to be this “nice christian man” and think you are doing the right thing attacking anyone who disagrees with you for years then you wonder why all these web sites ban you.

  • WeeToddEdwards

    I knew you would stalk that comment and use it. Wow you are so predicatable. How do you know I am telling the truth? I do things to manipulate you all day.

  • FigPucker

    This must be your favorite movie, since you refer to it all the time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_human_centipede
    Pretty sick fetishes you got there, boy.

  • Ricky Michael

    Your girl friend Ms. Looking4Sanity challenged me to do it.

    You act like its some huge stalker trick. All I did was add an address behind your screen name. anyone who is half way smart could figure that out. So you can drop the big act.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    So, you're lying one way or the other.
    Either way, you're a liar. What more needs said?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Really?
    21 hours ago @ Breitbart.tv – Obama's #OccupyWallStr… · 3 replies · -1 points
    "Time waster. What muslium friends?

    Oh yeah, I love making your blood pressure sky high"

    Oh look, the headers look different. So you're still not honest, big shocker that is.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Wee, you left a trail. And comments.

    You are a stalker. Why not be proud of yourself instead of a spineless scared woman about it?

    WeeToddEdwards replied to your comment on NY and Boston Mayors Push Gun Control with Super Bowl Commercial / Godfather Politics:

    "You need to mow your grass more often. The light blue metal building caddi-cornered from house is what comapny?
    You know the one with a brick and glass store front. "

    Oh look, the headers are still different! And you're still a stalker.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    When someone advocates evil and a painful death for an entire town of Christians in a vigilante style slaughter, how can any 'real' Christian not say you're not right inside?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    It fits them as a group, but no I had never heard of the movie. What kind of movies do you normally watch?

    No wonder you chose that name.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    But the fact you bothered and now are weasiling out of it shows you realize it wasn't cool. It was actual stalking.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Nope it shows you were such a pest your absence was a relief. It meant I could get back to current stories and comment on them as I wanted to do all day.

    But no, your muslism friendly temper just had you coming back over and over with your half wit conclusions like Hitler did Evil due to the teachings of Christ.

    And the other comments you used to make? About all religion needs to be banned? That was fairly current. In today's world Christians do more to reduce suffering for no reason other than they want to do good in thanks for what Christ has done for them. Catholic Healthcare is the second largest medical provider. Are you going to say they're evil and need shut down?

  • FigPucker

    You've referenced that movie 11 times in the past two months. I've been counting. You're into scat, just admit it. It fits your deviant and depraved nature. The little boy in your "novel" eats his own feces on page 54. We know that's what you're fascinated with. Admit it already. You've dropped enough clues, you obviously want us to know.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Nope, I've referenced how they march in lockstep and called them a human centipede based on their coordinated efforts. From the link I don't see the movie having a coordinated effort, it would be a farce, And I said joined at the hips front to back, not other body parts.

    Anything else you want to try saying I said?

  • FigPucker

    Joined at the hips, front to back? Now it sounds like you're just into sodomy … but we know that's only the beginning of the evening in your world.

    Yeah, you keep thinking about ways to join men together! The more the merrier!!!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Why do you want to put words in my mouth?
    What recycled troll are you?

  • Ricky Michael

    How can you say that? I was merely using the functions on my computer along with the brain God gave me, all mis-wired and everything.

    What you are saying here is that it's ok when you do it, but it's not when someone else does it to you.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Oh look, the headers on a quote you admit to, it looks different than the headers on a quote you made up. Big shocker.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    What I don't like is twisted individuals who realize they lose in the realm of ideas and lash out.

    It shows a level of immaturity.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    What violent Christians.

    You haven't actually shown that any 'real' Christians are violent. You have shown no link or source, and jumped at the chance to show rage vigilante style.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Yet I'm not sick enough to want to slaughter a building full of people.

    What does that say about you?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    I can say that because it was stalking.

    I have never cared about any mis-wiring you may or may not have.
    What you did was creepy and it shows you have a lack of something, something you keep trying to lay on me.

    One is using the system as it's set up.
    One is tracking someone down outside the forum and sending threatening emails.

    You are a stalker, yet you insist stalking is bad. When you preach something but don't live it, there is a word for that.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    That's why you're a hate filled bigot.

    You don't care if a Christian group is filling a needed service, you hate Christians so much you would rather have suffering than to tolerate them doing what their religion leads them too.

    How sad, and how muslim friendly.

  • Ricky Michael

    I never sent you anything intended to be threatening. Everything I sent you was was sent to you in the public forum too.

    What I sent you was a warning of what I found on-line that you posted yourself. It is all true too. There is indeed someone who is actively looking for you in the real world. He is a nut job. I do not know his real name. He has offered cash for your location. It is not any of the current list of your "abusees."

    When you behave like you do toward others, attempting to insite anger from them, then you should not be surprised when you get what you wanted.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Offered cash?
    That's dumb. Why not give him that email address and I'll make money off him.

    Ricky, I'm not scared. I don't scare. I take precautions and then live my live as my beliefs and ethics dictate. I trust God, either He is in charge of my life or not.

    As someone who pretends to be a Christian you should understand that.

  • Ricky Michael

    I did not because I do not wish to participate in something that might get someone harmed. Anyone can get your email address right off the ID system if they know how.

    I am not afraid either.

    You just cannot help yourself. You feel compelled to make some snide remark, even when it's not deserved.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    It was deserved.

    Still the pious nose in the air not following what you preach for others.

    It's that attitude that turns people like off on Christians.

  • aspacia

    And Iraq

  • aspacia

    There is evidence that Saddam's WMD's were shipped to Syria.

    I resent your "warmonger" label, when it is the entire Muslim majority ME that wants to erradicate Israel. You probably use the "warmonger" label for the recent IDF retaliation against Gaza.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    Yes. The big difference now is that Iran has all their surrogates in place. Iran doesn't care if the palestinians get slaughtered, so they'll have them pull the trigger and then hope Israel is too busy to back track the orders and deal with them.

  • WeeToddEdwards

    What would you like to know?

  • SheilaJacksonLeeHERO

    Does he have a job? How does he earn money while on this site all day, everyday?

    Does he have a girlfriend or wife?

    Does he have a degree in anything?

    Does he belong to a radical church?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

    My, it sounds like you have it bad.

    Can't you use a blow up doll with one of those photos taped to it's face?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Poor little wee wee man.

    So bitter sitting at your government desk drinking a bit of mountain dew hoping your spelling holds up and no one notices anything on your breath?

    You make the saddest guesses, and wrong ones at that. Did you learn all the muslim positions when you were arrested for that party run in at 18?

  • SheilaJacksonLeeHERO

    There is no way he is making a living from writing. He doesn't even have a real publisher. It's a sham. He had to pay THEM to create the book, usually it's the other way around.

    I don't believe he has ever been married or has even had a girlfriend.

    I can believe the online preacher degree.

    Sometimes radical christians hide in ordinary churches. And all the members of the congregation are freaked out by them.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Still trying to spread hate and insults against a religion that today has the largest private healthcare systems in the world?

    That does more to help around the world without car bombs, without suicide bombs? Without forced conversions for the past couple hundred years?

    No wonder you're a twisted bitter fruit.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Doest that mean you've realized I'll never support you in the manner you'd like to become accustomed?

    You'd better set your sites on someone else, I'll manage fine without you.