John Derbyshire Learns What We Cannot Talk About


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If one believes in human freedom and free will, then one must reject such materialist determinism that reduces people to mere passive effects of material reality whether environment or genes. More important is not how people look, but how they live, the culture that expresses their sense of human identity, the human mind and imagination, and the way people should treat each other. This is how the ancient Greeks determined inferiority and superiority: not by appearance, but by culture, particularly the political and social orders and the language that expressed both. The Greeks looked down on the Persians, for example, not because the latter were swarthy, but because they lived as slaves subjected to the Great King, rather than as free citizens whose fate was in their own hands. This focus on culture rather than nature, moreover, opened up the possibility of recognizing a universal human identity, for anybody in theory can leave his culture of origin and join another by learning its language and living by its mores and customs. The ancient orator Isocrates around 380 B.C. expressed this insight about the superiority of culture over nature in explaining human identity: “The name Hellenes [Greeks] suggests no longer a race but an intelligence [or “way of thinking”], and the title Hellene is applied rather to those who share our culture [including “education”] than to those who share a common blood [or “physical nature”].” Indeed, America has proven the truth of this insight, for ideally it is a multi-ethnic nation bound not by “blood” but by the ideas of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and the culture of freedom they created.

The second category, “intelligence,” is equally reductive. The modern world puts a high value on and rewards a certain kind of intelligence, what Aristotle called nous, the capacity for abstract reasoning needed for science and mathematics. This is the intelligence captured by standardized tests, and of course it is important for a high-tech world. But Aristotle also talks about “practical wisdom,” the sort of thinking ability we need for making our way in a complex world of time, change, uncertainty, and equally complex people. We can break practical wisdom down even further, into social intelligence and moral intelligence, both as, or perhaps more, necessary for civilization as scientific intelligence. Nor do high levels of scientific intelligence mean high levels of the other sorts. (How you can tell if a mathematician is gregarious? He looks at your shoes while he’s talking to you.) More seriously, Germany in the 20thcentury gives us an example of how destructive the lack of moral intelligence can be no matter how highly developed scientific intelligence is. I think we should be more concerned about recognizing and fostering moral intelligence and practical wisdom, the lack of which lies behind much of the progressive mischief transforming America for the worse.

No doubt some will find my opinions a cowardly evasion of reality, while others will see them as an apology for racism. But the main issue should be carrying on the debate, not monitoring our adherence to shibboleths. Rather than banishing the issues Derbyshire raised, we should bring them out into the open, let people make the case one way or the other, and judge the evidence and arguments. That’s how an open, free society is supposed to work. As we’ve heard repeatedly, sunlight is the best disinfectant of bad ideas. Keeping them hidden or pretending they’ve been definitively refuted without making an argument or marshaling evidence only leaves such ideas to fester in the darkness.

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  • Alvaro

    “The name Hellenes [Greeks] suggests no longer a race but an intelligence [or “way of thinking”],"

    Athens was never multiethnic, nor did they seek to include foreigners (like the Romans later did). Everything that mattered was spreading their own culture, while not being interested in importing cultures from foreign lands. Hellenism is to Greece much the same in the cultural area as Islam is to Arabia.

    "The second category, “intelligence,” is equally reductive."

    There have been standardized IQ tests for about 100 years, and they remained quite uncontroversial until the 1970s, when leftists started protesting their results! Anything from "cultural bias" against blacks living in the USA for generations (but not towards Japanese living in the country for a few years), to "alternative" ways of viewing and measuring intelligence. You are dealing with an pseudo-scientific, but mostly emotional responce to science.

    "Germany in the 20thcentury gives us an example of how destructive the lack of moral intelligence can be no matter how highly developed scientific intelligence is."

    Germans were smart back then and they are still smart. You seem to fall into the "politically correct" trap that immoral behavior equals low intelligence (again, as long as we are discussing whites and not blacks). An "IQ" that changes vastly in a generation, is not IQ at all. IQ is highly hereditary and genetic.

    • southwood

      "Germany in the 20thcentury gives us an example of how destructive the lack of moral intelligence can be no matter how highly developed scientific intelligence is."

      Germans were smart back then and they are still smart. You seem to fall into the "politically correct" trap that immoral behavior equals low intelligence "

      I don't think you read what the writer stated. He pointed out that the Germans were intelligent in some respects but not in the moral sense. If you think they were intelligent in the moral sense then I have serious doubts about YOUR moral intelligence.

      • Alvaro

        "If you think they were intelligent in the moral sense then I have serious doubts about YOUR moral intelligence."

        The term "moral intelligence" is highly controversial, and rightly so, because any genius can be immoral, and any idiot can be moral. Lack of morals alone does not make anyone unintelligent.

      • trickyblain

        Right — nor were they intellegent in terms of the most elementary of intellect: self-preservation.

      • HoR_Emperor

        Indeed. And for a supposedly smart people, they were extraordinarily stupid when it came to foreign relations and strategic planning. Germans diplomacy pre-WW2 amounted to threatening everyone, and German "strategy" in both World Wars was basically a long series of desperate Hail Mary passes.

        • southwood

          Intelligence and wisdom are two different things.

    • aspacia

      Alvaro,

      You are correct regarding the Greeks, albeit this does not negate the author's claim that the Greeks valued culture, not color.

      Peruse The Mismeasure of Man for insight regarding intelligence. Book IQ differs from husbandry, farming, mechanical, etc. IQ. Also, MENSA has a free, online IQ test which drastically differs from the standardized IQ test. It does not measure what you know, but how a person can synthesize/fuse what they know to solve a variety of problems.

      The author is spot on regarding morality being as important as intelligence. Mengele and Einstein were both intelligent, but former was immoral and the latter moral.

      • davarino

        I fear an amoral person would miss that point

      • Alvaro

        "The author is spot on regarding morality being as important as intelligence."

        I would not argue against morality being as *important* as intelligence. I would only argue against that morality is a part of being intelligent. There is an incredible number of minds that were immoral in our eyes today, who at the same time were highly intelligent. Was George Washington less intelligent because of his view on slavery?

        • trickyblain

          I admire Wahsington greatly, but it wasn't his intellect that got him where he went. Jefferson was a flat-out genius. And his moral view of slavery reflects this ("Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice can not sleep").

    • jayjohnston1

      It is true the mean IQ of American Blacks is 80 and the mean IQ of American whites is 100. The source is this is US military's screening tests which have been administered for almost a century I believe. In the military unlike in civilian life, having an IQ which would be too low to learn required, somewhat complicated information will result in deaths of service members. So the "There is no such thing as race, etc.etc. " and other nonsensical games which are played to cover up the truth of mean IQ difference in American society can't be tolerated in any military organization. I used the "mean" . Of course, there are brilliant people in all races. Jews for example are too afraid to say what is obvious so it took several non Jews to say it : Ashkenazi Jews have the highest mean IQ of any ethnic group. This was the conclusion of a study by Cochran and Harpending from the University of Utah. So if they are correct i.e. some ethnic groups have higher MEAN IQs than others. So logically , it is clearly possible other racial or ethnic groups have lower IQs than other groups.
      But the reason it is so taboo in the US is, if the mean IQ of American Blacks was discussed, the transfer of billions and billions of dollars from white and Asian American to "people of color" would cease. Therefore, blacks and their useful idiots which includes the National Review have to continue to make any discussion of scientifically proven findings on mean IQs of different races totally off limits.

  • guest

    Indian Americans are the most educated and have the highest income per capita of any group in the USA. In skin color they are closer to black people.

    • Juliet G.

      And, therefore, what?
      What's your point?

    • Donotknowitall

      Asian Indians can be made up of more than one race actually – using 'race' in a more old fashioned way.

    • Questions

      Actually, South Asian Indian ethnics are a good deal more heterogenous than you imagine, a good deal more so than the Chinese. And the lighter-skinned among the Indians tend to do the best.

    • John

      I think you are looking at the effect of an educated class moving to the US for more income. No?

  • EightiesSupport

    The emphasis on IQ tests is in many respects overdone, since anyone who is familiar with the field of psychometrics and cognitive measurement knows we are not many decades removed from its infancy and authorities up to and including such experts as Steven Pinker will also make a point of the brain's complexity to distinguish between reflex and developed aspects. Speaking of IQ requires some caution and humility–however I don't see the point in proscribing it wholesale.

    Race is different, though I wonder whether we speak the same language. Certainly doctors and clinical researchers accept the existence of race as a heuristic category, and that a descendant of pre-Columbian Mayan Indians may be less at risk of Tay-Sachs disease, or that Laotians and Caribbean blacks don't have a comparable incidence of sickle-cell anemia. I like to believe I'm in favor of constructive analogy over mere lawyerly squabbling but seriously doubt that anybody ought to be cast to the fringe for acknowledging the root factor of diffuse races. Nobody can change his or hers so why abdicate the responsibility to abstract from & study it?

  • Amused

    Derbyshire didn't just "get in trouble " the NR FIRED him . And rightly so , which is obvious to ANYONE who read the piece he wrote , which got him fired . And that 's not to say racism is not an ongoing thing with National Review , but Derbyshires piece was a bit TOO OBVIOUS and indefensible . Oh and BTW it wasn't IQ or medical exceptions Derbyshire was talking about in the article that got him canned .

    • aspacia

      link?

      • Amused

        read it .dont be so lazy . NR online .

    • aspacia

      You are right, he is a racist, albeit his comment about black on white violence is a statistical fact.

    • HoR_Emperor

      Derbyshire should have been gone a long time ago. He was a hateful crackpot on a great many issues, and had more views in common with the Left than with the Right.

  • Amused

    Nice "red herring " Thornton .

  • Sigh

    Regarding the obsolescence of "race", Derbyshire clearly points to it himself, explicitly stating what a high percentage of European admixture is present in American "blacks". However, notwithstanding the lack of a biologically clear racial category, highly statistically corellations between phenotype and social behaviours do exist. It is these corellations that Derbyshire talks about. Nowhere in the article, I should note, does Derbyshire make a causal claim, nowhere does he say that blacks are somehow inherently prone to crime, or that the low level of IQ amongst a self-ascribed racial identity is caused genetically. To do that, would be racist. To notice a simple fact that a higher percentage of crimes are commited by people with a certain phenotype than would be expected from the share of those people in the population is not racist, on the other hand.

    • Alvaro

      "Derbyshire make a causal claim, nowhere does he say that blacks are somehow inherently prone to crime, or that the low level of IQ amongst a self-ascribed racial identity is caused genetically. To do that, would be racist."

      So the white majority should take the blame, then?

      • Amused

        Ahhh another "expert " who hasn't read Derbyshire's article .

  • Gunner57

    Derbyshire for the most part, wrote an article about blacks that any sane society would find to be not only truth based but also a valuable tool to bring the dangers of race into the minds of brainwashed white children. The low IQ of black people is inherent and has been proven. To state a fact is not racist. Their high crime rates certainly have other variables to be taken into consideration other than their low IQ's which would invariably lead to poor lifestyle choices.Racial hatred towards white people is becoming ingrained in our national institutions as we slide into the abyss of Third Worldism.

    Unfortunately, we no longer live a free society and black savages are free to roam the countryside terrorizing innocent white people while their leaders and useful white idiots plot our demise.

    • Amused

      way to go Gunner , that's what I like to see , a reeeeal intelligent defense of one racist from another . I say put in an application at National Review …lol…they got an opening .

    • HoR_Emperor

      Thanks for proving yourself even more of a vile racist that Derbyshire.

      • MrGJG

        Meanwhile nothing of substance in the way of actually rebutting Gunners "racist screed".

    • ELAINE

      YOU SOUND RACIST WHAT ABOUT THE SERIAL KILLERS AND THE MOB. WHAT ABOUT ALL THE BLACK INVENTORS AND THERES A LOT OF THEM THAT WERE NOT GIVEN CREDIT FOR ANYTHING THAT THEY PATENTED OR PRODUCED SO IM PO POING LOW INTELLIGENCE.

  • Chezwick

    "Moral wisdom"….?

    Like acknowledging the utter immorality of passing on trillions of debt to our children and grand-children so that we can live well? Hmmm. My liberal siblings – most of whom have children and all of whom are good, decent people – are strangely impervious. They're unquestionably moral….and yet bereft of moral wisdom.

    • Sound&Fury

      The apostle Paul referred to this problem some 2000 years ago when he referred to those people who are "always learning but never coming to a knowledge of the truth". (II Tim 3:7) People like Amused fit that description to a tee.

      • Amused

        Gee you sound muffled Sound&Fury …..oh wait ! that's because you're talking out your rear end .

  • Amused

    great oxymoron Chezwick . although some would call it hypocrisy . so what else is new around here ?

    • Chezwick

      "great oxymoron Chezwick"

      Moral wisdom is oxymoronic only to liberal/lefties like yourself.

      "so what else is new around here ?"

      Certainly not your left-wing drivel.

      • Amused

        well I guess criticizing racist drivel is left wing eh Chez ? Gee what does that make the right wing ? LOL…..no guess required there , the above statement of your fellow racists speaks for itself . Hey moron , exactly how is one "unquestionably moral " …but "bereft of moral wisdom " ? Oh , that's how things were taught in your house eh ? No wonder you're so screwed up .

  • Amused

    I think it would be interesting to hear what your siblings think of you , after all the put downs from you ….lol…they deserve equal time , no ?
    man those poor siblings must hav had to put up with alot of pontificating huh ?

    • tagalog

      Since when is calling his siblings "good, decent people" a put-down?

      Nearly everyone lacks moral wisdom; it's what we are supposed to spend our lives striving to achieve, since wisdom, like morality, comes -if at all- with experience.

      • Amused

        I dont know tagalog better ask Chezwick , btw can you read ?

  • thesharpeningstone

    Hey Bruce, thanks for the post, I think it’s very courageous. We can’t talk about it, but more and more people are anyway.
    http://thesharpeningstone.wordpress.com/2012/04/1

    • vladdy

      By "people are talking about it," we are admitting that such talk is finally getting out into the public "ears and eyes" and is…yes, becoming acceptable. ..

      See, we watch this administration, where the AG cries about "my people," says bluntly that hisr job is not to protect whites, and drops the Black Panther case.. Just as we're all good and mad from watching AND mourning the jobs many of us have lost to AA….

      The Zimmerman case comes up, and suddenly, a Hispanic becomes "white," and we're blamed AGAIN. So yeah, finally, we're having those "corageous conversations about race"and it's a damn good thing. The net is blossoming with sites that honestly discuss race and crime, including its effects on urban schools. It's about time.

      I'm sure the Derb will go onto bigger and bettter things than NR..

  • alanweberman

    If you go to the NR webpage you will find all the Nazi scum are defending this turd. NR has fired others for racism in the past and should continue to do so in the fashion of William Buckley.

    • Juliet G.

      "Nazi scum"?

      What is Nazi about telling your children to avoid the situation that may kill them?

      Calling names instead of engaging and, possibly, refuting arguments doesn't win debates. It makes you a loser by default.

      • alanweberman

        It is true. A lot of Nazis are defending this guy. The Nazis always hated NR from the time Willis Carto tried to link Buckley with Rockwell. Sobran was fired for the same thing,

        • Juliet G.

          A lot of Nazis? Could you please be more specific and come up with a few names of these Nazis? After all, "a lot" means more than "a few".

          But I suspect you call them Nazis precisely because they are "defending this guy". Well, let me remind you that it is the favourite tactic of Nazis to scream "bolshevik" or "Jew" at those who try to debate them. You, very much like a Nazi, must believe more in effectiveness of a calumny than argument. You have landed in a "fine company". Congratulations.

        • HoR_Emperor

          Can you point to any "Nazi" on National Review? Or are you just one of those liberal idiots who thinks "conservative = Nazi"?

          • alanweberman

            Sobran but he got canned. Hey, William F. Buckley was a true Libertarian. The Nazis called him a kosher conservative because he did not hate Jews. And guess what. He would take his yacht into international waters AND SMOKE POT. He was close with E. Howard Hunt who sued me for saying he was involved in the JFK event. But I believe he was a pretty good guy too.

      • Grayzel

        Juliet, racialists like Alan only know how to call others names. They never learned to think.

        • alanweberman

          All I said was the Nazis dig this. The Nazis want to kill me so this puts me in a somewhat tenuous position.

    • Questions

      Funny how the "national conversation" on race doesn't follow the official (pro-black) script, whites like you are the first to decry "racism." Good for John Derbyshire. We need more like him. Of course, by firing him, National Review has made sure few ill follow suit.

      • Amused

        Don't kid yourself , there was only a "faux morality " in NR's canning of Derbyshire , it was a thinly veiled attempt at damage control .

        • HoR_Emperor

          Lies as usual from a Lefty.

      • Westie

        Actually there are 2 explicit examples that confirm the basis of Derbyshire’s thesis; Detroit and South Africa. Derb’s “The Talk” in both of these locales has tremendous application.

    • Whatsinaname

      Alan, I am not a Nazi and never have been (although a number of my relatives were victims of Nazis) and I think Derbyshire's article is brave and truthful. I have a feeling that you would not move to a black neighborhood,or even just walk into a predominantlly black neighborhood unless you absolutely had to; nor would you blithely pass by an approaching group of young blacks (particularly male). You'd probably find an excuse to cross the street, if you didn't want to admit you were afraid. If you had a teenage son or daughter, I think you'd probably say no if they mentioned they wanted to go to a party given by a black acquaintance who lived in a black neighborhood. If you would not, I would seriously doubt YOUR intelligence.

      • alanweberman

        testing

        • alanweberman

          they deleted my response

          • alanweberman

            just like the Foward

          • alanweberman

            hey when I had my two doberman's it was their chance to cross the street

          • alanweberman

            jews are lumped in with the Black tho there is little violent crime perpetrated by Jews

          • alanweberman

            Horowitz got sick of them when they killed his secretary

          • alanweberman

            Bernie Madoff disgorged certain people of their assets

          • alanweberman

            but not of their life

      • HoR_Emperor

        Way to miss the point.

      • alanweberman

        Oh we figured it out here in Manhattan. You have to have 30 times you income per month if you want to rent. Dig excludes a whole lot of people. In my building there are some apartments reserved for those with modest incomes. One black dude in that situation had his kid come around and collect for girl scout cookies but never showed up with the cookies. I told the kids mom that I was coming around to her crib to get my money back and she paid up. Then her husband starting saying "How's my little buddy?" or some such thing when I ran into him. Well I told him "How's my little buddy" because I would slit his throat with a piece of metal used to cut aluminum foi; – something I learned in prison. All I am saying when the hatred of Blacks starts the Jews are usually included and I am a Jew – and a happy one at that who wishes to live to 100

  • davarino

    I think the real point is to acknowledge what is wrong so it can be fixed. I do not believe the author is saying that blacks are inferior because of their race. I believe he is trying to point the finger at a problem and is asking in a round about way, who is keeping them down. We are all equal genetically, so we should all be equally intelligent and self sufficient. If you keep giving a mouse a cookie he wont go out and get his own. After a while he doesnt know how to provide for himself. He expects the cookie giver to keep giving cookies and encourages his friends to do the same.

    Why was Bill Cosby demonized for expecting more from his people?

    • ELAINE

      INFERIOR WHITE PEOPLE WENT AROUND TE WORLD TAKING OTHERS LAND !

  • sononthe_beach

    Mr, Thornton, you want to have it multiple ways, and it's not working. Your piece is part PC, part reality, and mixed with your opinions to create a yawning brain mush. You are clearly affected by PC and it clouds your thinking.__There are cognitive racial differences and there is plenty of evidence to support it. You may construct whatever semantic or waffle-philosophy you want, but you cannot escape the measurable differences. There are also racial differences in the ability to think rationally. This ability is both a cultural and racial attribute, and is verifiable both scientifically and anecdotally. In my opinion, it is black culture, fueled by irrational thinking, that is largely responsible for a large proportion of the black community's dysfunctional behavior. __It is time to stop trying to do an end run around facts, and confront these warped PC ideals for the bunk they are..

    • stephenx100

      To understand the anti-Derbyshire comments appearing in conservative media one has to appreciate that even conservatives have been brainwashed by the prevailing culture that proclaims that anyone with black skin is a pinnacle of virtue. These same conservatives watch the popular TV dramas where the brilliant brain surgeon is depicted as black, where the heroic detective is a handsome black guy, where the jurist fighting for justice is usually depicted as a black woman. Never is the committer of heinous crimes a black person! Today, if one criticizes the apparent stupidity of our dear leader, that critic is immediately condemned as a racist. This same cultural orientation has no doubt influenced the anti-Derb opinions appearing in these posts. I wish there was some way to counter that cultural brainwashing, but in the words of the great Derbyshire "We are Doomed".

      • Amused

        We are dopomed if for any reason , too many people like you take their moral lessons from TV and movies .

  • btims

    Derbyshire, Peter Brimelow (at Vdare.com), Steve Sailor and even Pat Buchanan often make very insightufl, cogent points. It's not that I agree with everything these men say but that's not a criticism. There's no one I agree 100% with. However, I tend to agree with most of what they say.

    But their views are not allowed in "polite society".

    • HoR_Emperor

      No, they don't. They're all hateful crackpots, disconnected from reality. There are very good reasons why Buchanan, Taki, and their ilk have been exiled from the conservative movement, and it is long past time that Derbyshire joined them in that exile.

  • tagalog

    If black parents have to have "The Talk" with their pre-adolescent and adolescent children about racism in American society, it seems as if there isn't much racism in American society to talk about, since kids on the receiving end of racism would have been exposed to it for about 8 or 9 years by the time they hit the early teen years, don't you think? What would the kids need to know with that much experience of racism?

    Better that black parents should have "The Talk" with their kids about keeping that thing in their pants, like white parents do with white kids.

    • Toa

      Excellent point! This puts "The Talk" more in the classification of "The Brainwash".

    • trickyblain

      In college, I was out for a couple beers with two football buddies who happen to be black (I'm white). One went around 6'5", 230 and the other 6'2," around 210. We were walking home; from across the street, a small group of cowboy-hat donned rednecks started yelling at us (i.e., "I hate f'ing n——s. Get the hell out of here n——s"). I became furious and started to go after them, only to be held back by my friends, who were far bigger and athletic than I. We would have destroyed those hicks if my friends wanted to do the same thing as I. And while I was shocked that this was happening in 1990's Northern California, they were totally unphased. Told me it happens all the time. And the more time I spent with them, the more I understood. The need for "the talk" is very real.

      • tagalog

        Why would people who experience this sort of thing regularly, need their parents to take them aside and explain what happens as "the facts of life?" Are they so dumb that they couldn''t figure racism out for themselves,or that there's some mysterious secret to it that their parents have to tell them? I mean, the guys you knew were smarter than you were; they knew enough not to suicidally walk into a redneck den of lions, something you were going to do until they prudently stopped you. So what would "the Talk" have done for their level of knowledge? I bet they could have given you a "talk" on odds and foolish posturing.

        If I were a black father and my teenage kid asked me to tell him about racism, my first remark would be "Praise God for progress in race relations!"

        • trickyblain

          Well, impruduce aside, there were only 3 or 4 of them — and they are all outsized — so the odds weren't terrible. Instead of lions, they were more like drunk rats.

          I don't think "the talk" is pointing out that racism exists. I'd guess that it would be about behaving just as they did, not losing your head (like I did) in those inevitable circumstances. It wasn't even directed at me, but I felt a visceral anger that's very difficult to describe. I think the natural reaction is to attack; talking to kids about how to deal with it is understandable.

      • Juliet G.

        a small group of cowboy-hat donned rednecks started yelling at us I became furious and started to go after them, only to be held back by my friends, who were far bigger and athletic than I.

        So you, our little fearless hero, became furious and went all alone after these nasty ""Cowboy-hat donned rednecks" and had to be held down by your black buddies about twice your size.
        Reaaaaly????
        WelI, I have my doubts. Or, let me be blunt, I think you are full of sh*t. Just lke Tawana Brawley

        • trickyblain

          Not even close to twice my size. just bigger. It's hardly heroic to stick up for friends who are being dehumanized. And surely if I was going to make something up, I would make myself kick the living snot out of the trailer trash pieces of excrement.

          Yeah, people always tell me — a mid-career professional 40 year old, 5"11 white dude — that I remind them exactly of a crack-addled North Carolina hooker. How'd you guess?

          • Juliet G.

            And surely if I was going to make something up, I would make myself kick the living snot out of the trailer trash pieces of excrement.

            tlickybrain,

            Suuuuure,

            You have VERY big mouth – very seldom a sign of courage..
            You have seen too many silly movies directed at the adolescent consumer where a good guy "kicks the living snot out of the trailer trash pieces of excrement" – or some 5 bad guys, in most cases nasty racists. Let me tell you, they are a fiction as fantastic as your story.
            I have a very good friend who is big, strong, fast, fearless AND Irish. A dazzling fighter who as far as I know never lost a one-to-one fight yet he never brags about this particular talent of his. I mailed him your story and he responded with:
            "LOL!!! Either the guy invented the whole story, or he was a 100% sure his friends will prevent him from getting near that "small group of cowboy-hat donned rednecks". Only a suicidal idiot would attempt to alone punish "a group" of grown up men."
            Well, I am pretty sure you are not suicidal.

          • trickyblain

            I totally agree that a bragging and a having big mouth is seldom a sign of courage. I don't really see where I claimed to be Rocky Balboa, or anything but a foolish 24 yr old, but it doesn't matter. Have a great night!

          • marsconi

            Sorry, trickyblain, I agree with Juliet G. 100%. The able seldom have to beat their chests, while the not-so-able are constantly doing so.

          • trickyblain

            No apology needed; I agree with that premise. 100%.

            But I really don't see how recalling something from about 15 years back is beating my chest. If my point was lost, maybe here is a better summary? It was an eye-opener and a situation in which I admired my friends for doing exactly what we are talking about — what I failed to do having never had the experience of being dehumanized.

    • RoguePatriot6

      "Better that black parents should have "The Talk" with their kids about keeping that thing in their pants, like white parents do with white kids."

      I agree with you for the most part exept for this. I've known and seen just as many whites and latinos with a whole house of kids of which have no available fathers.

    • ELAINE

      RIGHT BALL WHITE KIDS DONT HAVE BABIES OUT OF WEDLOCK YOU SOUND FOOLISH.

  • Mike T

    “Amused” is doing us a service by once again reminding us that our “intellectual superiors” are neither capable of a cogent rebuttal of anything nor expressing their disagreement with a command of the English language that implies more than a 9th grade education. (Interestingly, I put all of the comments together from “Amused” in a “Readability” calculator, and it estimated “Amused” wrote them at the 8th grade level of English skills and scored the ease of comprehension slightly below most comic books)

    • Amused

      Why thanks Mike , coming from someone like you , I take it as a compliment . And I'll be sure to rush out and buy one of them thar " readability calculators " .
      Truth is you understood quite clearly every word I said , and your juvenile reply is proof positive . What ? were you using your readability calculator " ?

    • trickyblain

      That is interesting!
      I'd like to see this "readabilty calcuator" you speak of.
      Did you know that journalists and tech writers are taught to write no higher than the 6th grade level? Given this site's readership, I'd say Amused is far too generous.

    • trickyblain

      I found one of these calculators. I think you are missing the point.

      Writing is not about impressing a JavaScript applet on a web page. The more people that can understand what you are saying, the better. According to the "calculator," the post I replied to requires a grade level of 21.77 to understand it on first read. In short, one needs a medical degree.

      However, your point is not hard to understand — it's a juvenile series of insults gilded with long words and phrases (41 words per sentence?). Good writing makes the complex seem simple; yours does the opposite. At least that's what the readability calculator says.

  • babyanng

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  • AntiSharia

    I have to be honest, I am a big fan of National Review, but was never a big fan of Mr. Derbyshire. He always seemed to me to be of the old Pat Buchanan wing of conservatism, which is to say he was never very conservative at all. He has the right to any opinion he wants and is free to post it, but National Review has the right to get rid of him, and his firing was a move long overdue.

    • Questions

      Denial of white fear of black predatory behavior is anything but conservative. Shame on National Review.

    • HoR_Emperor

      Exactly right. Derbyshire's views on many issues were bizarre. He was basically a crank who masqueraded as a conservative by being an anti-statist.

  • jk-phd

    Liberals love to say that IQ is not important and race is not real. Wrong on both counts. The one standard deviation difference is so well-established that even the Brookings Institute acknowledges it. http://www.brookings.edu/views/papers/dickens/200…. And SAT, GRE, LSAT, and MCAT (the last 3 graduate school, law school, and medical school entrance exams, respectively) have shown this difference (1 standard deviation) for decades. See the commentary on Brookings at http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/2006….
    Derbyshire is correct – only 1 in 6 blacks have IQ above the average for whites. Yes, there are a number of occupations that don't require high IQ – this is already well known.

    Bruce, your commentary on IQ is very superficial and betrays a naive understanding of even the most basic issues. Please research an issue, at least a little bit, and you won't come across as completely ignorant.

    • ELAINE

      YOU KNOW THAT A BLACK MAN HELPED THOMAS EDISON IMPROVISE ON THE LIGHT BULB AND HAD NUMEROUS OTHER INVETIONS. THERE ARE ALOT OF INVENTIONS BLCKS INVENTED AND YOU CAN CHECK THEIR PATENTS OUT.

      • ELAINE

        ARTIFICAL MEASUREMENTS OF INTELLIGENCE!

  • John

    Human biodiversity is real, very real:
    http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/

    Derb was essentially fired for telling the truth. Welcome to Stalinist America.

  • sdsali

    I read John Derbyshire's article with, I think, an open mind. I am certainly a conservative and, I hope, not overly given to seeing discrimination. But I saw some assigning traits to a category of people and advising behavior that made me think it reflected racist thinking. I agree that it is helpful to reaching resolution to allow an airing of all views. I also think that an organization or entity not only can but should consider who writes or expresses opinions under its sponsorship. Those are two different issues. In this case, I think Thornton is right that it is a good thing to have discourse about such perceptions. I am not sure how Thornton comes down on the issue of whether Derbyshire should have been let go. My belief is that NRO is correct. When you think that the majority of black people are intent o making life difficult for you because you are white, I think that it is you who has the problem. I say this as a 68 year old white woman who has plenty of contact with black people as clerks and parking lot attendants and attorneys and judges. I am either very naive or I have not experienced the phenomenon that Derbyshire claims to have experienced. Some black people have told me that I treat them differently than other white people treat them. That may be. I have no idea in what way I am different. I simply treat black people the way I treat anyone else. The really sad and unfortunate result of John Derbyshire's "talk" is that it leads to young white people treating black people differently from the way they treat everyone else and that treatment leads to the very phenomenon that Derbyshire complains about. In conclusion, Derbyshire has a first amendment right to say whatever he wants and NRO has a first amendment right to dissociate themselves from some of his views.

  • btims

    People self-segregate, they do it in every country in the world. Americans do it today, perhaps more than ever. The political elites are the one who constantly are tyring to create "diversity" by bussing, mass immgiration, etc.

    People resist it. They just do.

    • ELAINE

      YOU COME FROM BLACK ,BLACK GENES ARE IN YOU AND EVERY WHITE PERSON. WHITES COME FROM BLACK AFRICA THE ORIGINAL HOME OF ALL MANKIND THAT MEANS YOUR ALSO DUMB AND INFERIOR

  • Evropa

    Thus guy talks about it and even says the truth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17m8OnHC7dQ&fe

  • John

    "Race, in short, is a pseudo-scientific idea reflecting the fundamentalist materialism that arose in the late 18thcentury and that attempted to reduce all human reality and behavior to matter and the laws of nature."

    Wrong. Perhaps you should read about the ancient concept of race [PDF]:

    http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/articles/

  • John

    "Race, in short, is a pseudo-scientific idea reflecting the fundamentalist materialism that arose in the late 18thcentury and that attempted to reduce all human reality and behavior to matter and the laws of nature."

    Wrong. What you write is mere Boasian / Cultural Marxist propaganda. Perhaps you should read about the ancient concept of race [PDF]:
    http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/articles/

  • John

    "Race, in short, is a pseudo-scientific idea reflecting the fundamentalist materialism that arose in the late 18thcentury and that attempted to reduce all human reality and behavior to matter and the laws of nature."

    By the way, this is wrong on so many accounts — historically. You are just parroting propaganda by the Boasian Cultural Marxists.

    Just one example: the very ancient notion of a nation – from the Latin nasci – implies a link by blood.

  • mrbean

    Here is the race stuff that the blacks, the MSM, and Liberals say they cannot talk about: The "Murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom" by 5 blacks in a carjacking. Christopher Newsom was repeatedly sodomized with an object and then blindfolded, gagged, arms and feet bound and his head covered. dragged outside the house to a set of nearby railroad tracks where he had his genitals cut, shot in the back of the head, and was then set on fire with gasoline. Channon Christian suffered horrific torture and injuries to her vagina, anus and mouth. She was not only raped but savaged with "an object," possibly a broken chair leg, the doctor testified. She was beaten in the head. Some type of chemical (bleach) was poured down her throat, and her body, including her bleeding and battered genital area, likely with the same chemical – all while Channon was alive. She was then "hog-tied," her face covered tightly with a small trash bag and her body stashed inside five large trash bags before being placed inside a large trash can and covered with sheets. Channon died slowly, suffocating, the medical examiner's report said.

  • Ronald Johnston

    The most racist thing that has taken place in our country is to call black people African-American. They are Americans period!!! The election of osama obama has set race relations back 200 years in this country!!!! This man is a racist and nobody will accuse him but people like me!!!!

    • tagalog

      Isn't Charlize Theron African-American?

      • Questions

        Yes, but she's white, and worse, a naturalized Afrikaner. To the multicultural fanatics, she doesn't count.

  • Amused

    Naaa , he set race relations back 200 years because he brought so many racists out of the closet . And those closets turned up in the oddest and most surprising places . And in places only suspected , they became confirmed . The election of a black man to POTUS , basically the most powerfull man in the world , is a real punch in the gut to the racists , and they've been moaning and groaning eversince . So to those who only gave lipservice to equality , this has simply brought out the worst .

    • Nick Shaw

      Yeah, that's why we elected him in the first place. 'Cause we're closet racists.
      It had nothing to do with police "acting stupidly". It had nothing to do with "If I had a son…"
      It had nothing to do with holding back the growth of the economy. It had nothing to do with starting a war without even mentioning it to anyone in Congress. It had nothing to do with a foreign policy that Micky Mouse could have formulated. It had nothing to do with a constant stream of lies from him and the Communists and Socialists he appointed. It had nothing to do with him ignoring laws on the books but wailing that his crowning glory might be struck down by the courts. It had nothing to do with any of that and a lot more I could list but, won't bother.
      It's only because we're racist.
      That's pretty sad, Helen.
      Even from you.

      • Amused

        Dont bother Shaw , you're a racist , a Fox news regular , go over to Fox s blog , you'll feel right at home . Oh and take your mom Helen with you chump . She's probably just like you , after all the fruit dont fall too far from the tree .

        • Nick Shaw

          Yep, I must be 'cause you say so, Helen.
          And you're ever so smart!
          Mom home yet, Helen?

          • Amused

            You bet ….if it walks ,talks and looks like a duck …..it IS a duck . LOL…even if it's name is helen . BTW have you gotten anywhere with your "unresolved /mother issues" ?

            [still hanging on my every word , ain't ya girl ? ]

    • Questions

      You miss the point. First of all, race relations have never been that good. Second, Obama has had little to do with the issue. Third and most importantly, WHO CARES ABOUT RACE RELATIONS? The ideal relationship between black and white should be minimal, if any.

  • tagalog

    Sadly, the National Review has not learned the lesson that has to be repeated time and time again: the antidote to speech that offends is more speech, not less speech.

    When someone says something we don't like, we have the choice of shutting them up or refuting what they say with speech of our own. Silencing someone is not conducive to a better society under virtually any circumstances, and certainly not these. That's what the Left does, not us. At least not us when we're not buffaloed by subjects that have been rendered taboo.

  • John

    Lets be real about this folks. The black-white thing is a political football pitched around for the benefit of one or another of our political parties. As with war, truth is the first casualty of politics. If you know the truth or are willing to guess at it, better keep your mouth shut or things will not turn out so good for you.

  • aspacia

    Bloggers,

    Amused is correct, read the article: https://news.google.com/news/section?pz=1&cf=

    Derby is a racist, but is correct regarding two statistical facts: 1. Black on white violence; 2. IQ scores which I really do not buy into. I have taken many from many sites, including MENSA, and the scores drastically vary from 118 to 145 and once at 165. Be careful about these scores. Read Gould's book the Mismeasure of Man by Gould.

    • John

      "Read Gould's book the Mismeasure of Man by Gould. "

      You realize that Gould have been proven to be a complete fraud, don't you?
      http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/06/stephen-jay-

      • aspacia

        No, I did not. I read your link, but there is not mention of IQ, only brain size that constitutes a small portion of Gould's book.

  • Ghostwriter

    Good grief!!! This is stupid! What happened to John Derbyshire happened because used stereotypes of black people that went out of fashion in the 1960's. Sadly,those who defend such things like mrbean are idiots for doing so. Not every black person in America is a thug. I've been around blacks. I went to school with many of them. They're not ALL like that! I think that Mr. Derbyshire deserved to get fired because he attacked every black person as untrustworthy and violent. That's wrong. That's the Ku Klux Klan way of thinking. Most black people are human beings,the same as you or I. People like mrbean should step into the 21st Century.
    If you defend what John Derbyshire wrote,you're no better than a neo-Nazi or Klansman. Or their black equivalents,the Nation of Islam and the New Black Panther Party. This sort of talk ain't helping matters any.

    • Questions

      Nobody, least of all Derbyshire, is saying "all" blacks are thugs. But as a general pattern of behavior it is undeniable: Blacks as a whole are extremely prone to acts of violence, especially in a large group setting. Whites enter at their own peril. Yes, I will defend Derbyshire. And no, I won't defend the Nazis or the Klan. Get a grip, man.

    • aspacia

      True, but neither is Holder's orders to discriminate against white victims. There is a problem with black against white racism.

  • http://www.theblaze.com Dennis Metz

    It is a testament to this nation that this guy can be fired for speaking the truth and have the world come down on him. why is it that black leaders can call for the death to crackers and honkies or jews and no one says a word about it. THis speaks volumes about obummer, it really proves what a racist pig he is, obummer makes comments about martin and then does not come out and condemn these jerks for putting out bounties on people? any white leader in congress or a white president would be all over the news if some white group had publicly put a bounty out for a black person. this really proves what obummer really believes in, death to whites, or else he would distance himself and come out and say those are radical views that he does not believe in

    but the bottom line is most blacks love to hear such crap as spewed by the panthers. they want any reason to throw down and kill any white person and justify it . so odd how they are using a killing by a hisapnic to justify a war on whitey. what if whites did the same thing?

    • ELAINE

      WHAT ABOUT THAT FAT HEAD RUSH LIMB AND TED NUGGENT IF THATS NOT BLASPHEMY

      • ELAINE

        YES HES HISPANIC BUT DOSENT MATTER HE SHOULD NOT HAVE KILLED TRAYVON AND HE CONSIDERS SELF AS WHITE SO HE HAS TO TAKE THE WRATH .

  • http://www.theblaze.com charlie brite

    Dennis the bottom line is, if you are black you can say anything you want no matter what it is or how racist, but they (blacks) want to keep whites terrified to even talk about race. as long as blacks keep race a taboo and offl limit topic for whties . blacks can say and do as they please and stupid whites will go along with anything they say. blacks do not have to worry about being labeled as racist even though most of them are, but whites have been conditioned to fear the label

    • ELAINE

      WHITES ARE IN POWER BLACKS ARENT THATS WHY ITS HARD FOR BLACKS TO BE RACIST . THEY CAN SAY OBNOXIOUS THINGS BUT THEY DONT HOLD ANY POWER.

  • stevefraser

    "….Germany in the 20thcentury gives us an example of how destructive the lack of moral intelligence can be no matter how highly developed scientific intelligence,." Please note the National Socialists were never a political mainstream party in Germany prior to Hitler being APPOINTED Chancellor. Hitler was never elected to any office in Germany nor were very many other National Socialists. Hitler was appointed Chancellor in Germany early in 1933 for one reason: the Stalin backed insurrection in the cities of Weimer Germany was so strong that at the beginning of the Germany great depression (1932) the Germany government felt the only way to stop a Communist take over via civil war was to unleash the NZ brown shirts on them. The German army and federal police were too weak to stop the Bolsheviks in Germany. After Hitler was given power, any German that opposed the NZ policies was murdered. German citizens never supported the policies of the NZ party. This is another Leftist lie, just like Fascism is a variety of corporatism, the Red Scare was paranoia and "greed" is terrible (rather than the mass murder commited by the Reds.)

  • Schlomotion

    It is funny reading a "rightist" whip out the old Marxist ABRACADABRA semiotic reductionist spell on the words "race" and "intelligence" to justify a scientific racist. It's good to see that Shactmanites retain their skillset.

  • Amused

    Racism and bigiotry go hand in hand , both indicate irrational thinking , both lead to generalization, and both are accompanied and facilitated by an innate IGNORANCE . Intelligence , of the "book variety " is no indicator of this basic illogical ignorance , nor is IQ . Not to mention IQ is overated and subjective , in that it is related to life experience in many areas .Take an aboriginal who would be totally dysfunctional in a modern society and flunk every math test anyone administered , yet would be infinitely superior over a 140 IQ in survival, back in his natural environment .

  • Jaafar_1946

    People who believe that "race" is a silly and outmoded concept need to take a look at Vincent Sarich's book on the subject, in which he points out (among other things) that a DNA sample taken by the police and send for analysis will come back with something like "80% black, 20% Amerindian."

    Race is NOT imaginary.

    • ELAINE

      RACE IS A MADE UP THING. YOU YOURSELF HAVE DNA THAT CAN BE TRACED BACK TO ONE BLACK AFRICAN WOMAN WHO IS THE MOTHER OF ALL MANKIND.

  • Amused

    What ??????

  • gfmucci

    Bruce. You appear to be straining at gnats with your quibbling about the various nuances of race. The point is that the statistics about race characteristics drawn from the "official" and "common" definition of race reveal the facts Derbyshire presented. Definitions and statistics are imperfect. Granted. But the overall "message to my children" is prudent and based on sound evidence.

  • ELAINE

    THATS CRAZY TOO CAUSE THERE BEEN NUMEROUS BLACK INVENTORS IF THE BLACK MAN IS SO DUMB E.G., AS GEORGE WASHINGTON CARVER ,VIVIAN THOMAS WHO HELPED DR. BLAYLOCK WITH THE HEART LUNG MACHINE AT JOHN HOPKINS., ELIJAH MCCOY, LEWIS LATIMER, INVENTORS OF THE GSA DRYER ,STREET LIGHT, COUPLING FOR THE REFRIGERATED CAR, OPEN HEART SURGERY ALL WERE BLACK MEN.. THIS IS JUST TO NAME A FEW THAT THE WHITE MEDIA MAY ONLY TELL YOU IN FEBRUARY ….BLACK HISTORY MONTH , THEY SHOULD BRING ALL THIS FORWARD. YOU CAN CHECK THE PATENTS OUT. NOTHING DUMB ABOUT THE BLACK MAN THATS A MYTH THATS TIME HAS COME.