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		<title>By: irateiconoclast</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/caroline-glick/hagel-obama-and-the-israeli-elections/comment-page-1/#comment-4117355</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[irateiconoclast]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 03:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your rants are the flatus of the powerless know-nothings.  Hope your &quot;issue&quot; are few in number and short of lifespan!  Go F yourself, punk! ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your rants are the flatus of the powerless know-nothings.  Hope your &quot;issue&quot; are few in number and short of lifespan!  Go F yourself, punk! </p>
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		<title>By: batya dagan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[batya dagan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2012 21:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[During the time Sharon was sort of telling Israel that it is time to leave Gaza I was a writer in a Hebrew paper in LA called SHALOM  LA.  I was the only writer in LA who wrote agains it and got some of my readers to turn against me. My claim was against  giving something and getting nothing in return..No peace  
 
agreement or even a declaration of stopping terror completely. 
It did not take very long to be the one who was right.Being right is not always wonderful and in this case  
it is horrible. 
 
I am very proud of BB for standing up to Obama.BB cares about Israel , Obama cares about his legac y  
 
which he actually may not be so happy about. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the time Sharon was sort of telling Israel that it is time to leave Gaza I was a writer in a Hebrew paper in LA called SHALOM  LA.  I was the only writer in LA who wrote agains it and got some of my readers to turn against me. My claim was against  giving something and getting nothing in return..No peace  </p>
<p>agreement or even a declaration of stopping terror completely.<br />
It did not take very long to be the one who was right.Being right is not always wonderful and in this case<br />
it is horrible. </p>
<p>I am very proud of BB for standing up to Obama.BB cares about Israel , Obama cares about his legac y  </p>
<p>which he actually may not be so happy about. </p>
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		<title>By: Mary Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Sue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2012 01:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have you been reading a bunch of garbage from the John Birch society? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you been reading a bunch of garbage from the John Birch society? </p>
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		<title>By: Mary Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Sue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2012 01:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Early Bird, who the heck have you been listening to?  Whoever you&#039;re getting this garbage from, stop believing them.  They are wrong. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Early Bird, who the heck have you been listening to?  Whoever you&#039;re getting this garbage from, stop believing them.  They are wrong. </p>
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		<title>By: Mary Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Sue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2012 01:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Israel is not defended, the radical extremist Muslims only become stronger and more emboldened.  They are the real problem, NOT Israel nor &quot;israel firsters&quot;.  What part of this are you having trouble understanding? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Israel is not defended, the radical extremist Muslims only become stronger and more emboldened.  They are the real problem, NOT Israel nor &quot;israel firsters&quot;.  What part of this are you having trouble understanding? </p>
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		<title>By: Mary Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Sue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2012 01:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[since when are American interests divergent from Israeli ones? 
 
One can be critical of Israeli Government without being anti-semitic however, when one throws one&#039;s lot in with those who want to completely anihillate Israel and ALL Jews, THAT is antisemitic whether you realize it or not. 
 
The settlements are not a mistake, and they are a red herring anyway, as is the &quot;war on Iran&quot; thing.  You are being duped. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>since when are American interests divergent from Israeli ones? </p>
<p>One can be critical of Israeli Government without being anti-semitic however, when one throws one&#039;s lot in with those who want to completely anihillate Israel and ALL Jews, THAT is antisemitic whether you realize it or not. </p>
<p>The settlements are not a mistake, and they are a red herring anyway, as is the &quot;war on Iran&quot; thing.  You are being duped. </p>
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		<title>By: dionissismitropoulos</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dionissismitropoulos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 01:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[EarlyBird 
 
&lt;i&gt;Your entire response here shows that you have no interest in an honest dialogue, or you literally have a reading disability.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Let the other commentators decide if i have a reading disability -  if i had to guess, i would think that it is you who has reading problems, seeing that you posted a link that did not refer to what you said it referred. 
 
As for who had an interest in honest dialogue: 
 
1) Check how many points of mine you evaded. 
 
2) Verify that i have addressed every single of your points. 
 
3) Have a look at your tone since the beginning of our exchange, a petulance coupled with irrelevant ad hominem accusations - even after i disclosed my email and the newspaper i work for. 
 
You will safely conclude that it was &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; who was not interested in honest dialogue, not me. 
 
&lt;i&gt;I&#039;m done with all of you warmongering Israel First nutjobs&lt;/i&gt; 
 
You are a good man, EarlyBird, but the &lt;i&gt;whole world&lt;/i&gt; hates you unjustifiably. How misunderstood you are! 
 
&lt;i&gt;Good luck.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
I just hope you are more sincere in wishing me good luck than you were when you claimed that you love Israel. 
 
&lt;i&gt;Israel firsters&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Seems to me that you hate Israel more than you love America. 
 
Yes, there are anti-Israel firsters. 
 
  
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EarlyBird </p>
<p><i>Your entire response here shows that you have no interest in an honest dialogue, or you literally have a reading disability.</i> </p>
<p>Let the other commentators decide if i have a reading disability &#8211;  if i had to guess, i would think that it is you who has reading problems, seeing that you posted a link that did not refer to what you said it referred. </p>
<p>As for who had an interest in honest dialogue: </p>
<p>1) Check how many points of mine you evaded. </p>
<p>2) Verify that i have addressed every single of your points. </p>
<p>3) Have a look at your tone since the beginning of our exchange, a petulance coupled with irrelevant ad hominem accusations &#8211; even after i disclosed my email and the newspaper i work for. </p>
<p>You will safely conclude that it was <i>you</i> who was not interested in honest dialogue, not me. </p>
<p><i>I&#039;m done with all of you warmongering Israel First nutjobs</i> </p>
<p>You are a good man, EarlyBird, but the <i>whole world</i> hates you unjustifiably. How misunderstood you are! </p>
<p><i>Good luck.</i> </p>
<p>I just hope you are more sincere in wishing me good luck than you were when you claimed that you love Israel. </p>
<p><i>Israel firsters</i> </p>
<p>Seems to me that you hate Israel more than you love America. </p>
<p>Yes, there are anti-Israel firsters. </p>
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		<title>By: dionissismitropoulos</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dionissismitropoulos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 00:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[EarlyBird 
 
&lt;i&gt;This is playing like a broken record.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Actually not.  
 
I mentioned &lt;i&gt;for the first time&lt;/i&gt; the Libya bombing as a risk-free enterprise, as a counterargument to your claim that there are no safe wars. 
 
But there is something that plays as a broken record, i.e. some of my other arguments, but only because you refuse to address them.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EarlyBird </p>
<p><i>This is playing like a broken record.</i> </p>
<p>Actually not.  </p>
<p>I mentioned <i>for the first time</i> the Libya bombing as a risk-free enterprise, as a counterargument to your claim that there are no safe wars. </p>
<p>But there is something that plays as a broken record, i.e. some of my other arguments, but only because you refuse to address them.  </p>
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		<title>By: dionissismitropoulos</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dionissismitropoulos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 00:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[EarlyBird 
 
&lt;i&gt;You write as if Israel came about just to help out the US and it&#039;s oil prices. Absurd.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
No, i don&#039;t write that way. 
 
I said that Israel&#039;s military edge has resulted in more stable oil prices than it would have been the case if the US did not help Israel get that edge. 
 
Both the US and Israel have been motivated by their self-interest, and it is a fortunate contingency  that those interests coincide. 
 
&lt;i&gt;The relative stability we&#039;ve enjoyed in the region since the mid-70s has to do with the arms and other American support to make Israel the predominant military power&lt;/i&gt; 
 
 
That&#039;s exactly what i have been saying. 
 
 
&lt;i&gt;and our massive subsidization of rotten so-called &quot;pro-American&quot; Arab regimes who promise not to mess with Israel.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Because if they mess with Israel, oil prices will skyrocket. The US wisely has been acting according to its interests, and those interests dictated to strengthen the only democracy in the region that could be trusted as an ally - much of this has to do with the respect that Israel commanded in US circles after successfully engaging in the 1967 war. 
 
&lt;i&gt;Iran (or SA, Syria, Iraq, etc.) and the dysfunctional ME as we know it today wouldn&#039;t exist without Israel.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Of course the ME would be dysfunctional, even in the absence of Israel&#039;s existence. They hate America because they have identified America as the leader of globalization, and the ME Muslim world cannot adapt to the demands of modernity that globalization brings right in their homes.  
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EarlyBird </p>
<p><i>You write as if Israel came about just to help out the US and it&#039;s oil prices. Absurd.</i> </p>
<p>No, i don&#039;t write that way. </p>
<p>I said that Israel&#039;s military edge has resulted in more stable oil prices than it would have been the case if the US did not help Israel get that edge. </p>
<p>Both the US and Israel have been motivated by their self-interest, and it is a fortunate contingency  that those interests coincide. </p>
<p><i>The relative stability we&#039;ve enjoyed in the region since the mid-70s has to do with the arms and other American support to make Israel the predominant military power</i> </p>
<p>That&#039;s exactly what i have been saying. </p>
<p><i>and our massive subsidization of rotten so-called &quot;pro-American&quot; Arab regimes who promise not to mess with Israel.</i> </p>
<p>Because if they mess with Israel, oil prices will skyrocket. The US wisely has been acting according to its interests, and those interests dictated to strengthen the only democracy in the region that could be trusted as an ally &#8211; much of this has to do with the respect that Israel commanded in US circles after successfully engaging in the 1967 war. </p>
<p><i>Iran (or SA, Syria, Iraq, etc.) and the dysfunctional ME as we know it today wouldn&#039;t exist without Israel.</i> </p>
<p>Of course the ME would be dysfunctional, even in the absence of Israel&#039;s existence. They hate America because they have identified America as the leader of globalization, and the ME Muslim world cannot adapt to the demands of modernity that globalization brings right in their homes.  </p>
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		<title>By: dionissismitropoulos</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dionissismitropoulos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 00:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[EarlyBird 
 
&lt;i&gt;No. I mean that the existence of Israel and the rage it engenders has been the cause of oil supply instability since there has been an Israel.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
And that is why i explained to you that your argument is mistaken because it takes for granted that there would be no other conflicts in the Middle East if Israel did not exist. 
 
There will be other conflicts, and they will be initiated by a nuclear Iran, a prospect that the Arabs dread. 
 
And markets, are quick to incorporate such prospects into (rising) oil prices. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EarlyBird </p>
<p><i>No. I mean that the existence of Israel and the rage it engenders has been the cause of oil supply instability since there has been an Israel.</i> </p>
<p>And that is why i explained to you that your argument is mistaken because it takes for granted that there would be no other conflicts in the Middle East if Israel did not exist. </p>
<p>There will be other conflicts, and they will be initiated by a nuclear Iran, a prospect that the Arabs dread. </p>
<p>And markets, are quick to incorporate such prospects into (rising) oil prices. </p>
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		<title>By: EarlyBird</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EarlyBird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 00:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your entire response here shows that you have no interest in an honest dialogue, or you literally have a reading disability.   
 
Good luck.  I&#039;m done with all of you warmongering Israel First nutjobs.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your entire response here shows that you have no interest in an honest dialogue, or you literally have a reading disability.   </p>
<p>Good luck.  I&#039;m done with all of you warmongering Israel First nutjobs.   </p>
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		<title>By: dionissismitropoulos</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dionissismitropoulos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 00:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Earlybird 
 
&lt;i&gt;Lady, you&#039;re back to your cheap tactics of suggesting I hate Jews or Israel. Stop.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Israel, i only suggest that you hate Israel. 
 
The way you talked about her, &quot;all we would lose if Israel evaporated is a geopolitical headache&quot;, is not exactly the sort of thing that someone who claims to love Israel would say. 
 
Unless, of course, you are bipolar, on top of your already proved  paranoia. 
 
That would explain your huge mood swings towards Israel. 
 
As for whether you hate Jews, i stay non-committal, for all i know you might even be Jewish. But the moderators have already deleted one of your comments, so i guess &lt;i&gt;they&lt;/i&gt; think your comment was anti-Semitic. 
 
&lt;i&gt;Lady&lt;/i&gt; 
 
If you want to hurt me, you have to do far better than that. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earlybird </p>
<p><i>Lady, you&#039;re back to your cheap tactics of suggesting I hate Jews or Israel. Stop.</i> </p>
<p>Israel, i only suggest that you hate Israel. </p>
<p>The way you talked about her, &quot;all we would lose if Israel evaporated is a geopolitical headache&quot;, is not exactly the sort of thing that someone who claims to love Israel would say. </p>
<p>Unless, of course, you are bipolar, on top of your already proved  paranoia. </p>
<p>That would explain your huge mood swings towards Israel. </p>
<p>As for whether you hate Jews, i stay non-committal, for all i know you might even be Jewish. But the moderators have already deleted one of your comments, so i guess <i>they</i> think your comment was anti-Semitic. </p>
<p><i>Lady</i> </p>
<p>If you want to hurt me, you have to do far better than that. </p>
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		<title>By: EarlyBird</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EarlyBird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 00:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is playing like a broken record.   
 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is playing like a broken record.   </p>
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		<title>By: EarlyBird</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EarlyBird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 00:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The US doesn&#039;t have magic bombs that can sniff out and then destroy nuclear facilities that we don&#039;t know how to even locate.  
 
You might be aware that the US is facing financial meltdown.  We literally can&#039;t afford to do Israel&#039;s dirty work for it, even if it was the right thing in America&#039;s interests to do.    
 
Rather than ME hunting down more &quot;links&quot; for you, do your own homework.  It is very common knowledge that an airstrike on Iran is controversial among IDF commanders in regard to its ability to succeed (Israel alone or Israel-US) and the unmanageable repercussions. 
 
And just use common sense and a bit of history to know how little fun easy wars become big, ugly unmanageable ones.  And then put yourself in an American&#039;s shoes and ask, &quot;And why do we, again, have to foot the bill in blood and money?&quot;   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US doesn&#039;t have magic bombs that can sniff out and then destroy nuclear facilities that we don&#039;t know how to even locate.  </p>
<p>You might be aware that the US is facing financial meltdown.  We literally can&#039;t afford to do Israel&#039;s dirty work for it, even if it was the right thing in America&#039;s interests to do.    </p>
<p>Rather than ME hunting down more &quot;links&quot; for you, do your own homework.  It is very common knowledge that an airstrike on Iran is controversial among IDF commanders in regard to its ability to succeed (Israel alone or Israel-US) and the unmanageable repercussions. </p>
<p>And just use common sense and a bit of history to know how little fun easy wars become big, ugly unmanageable ones.  And then put yourself in an American&#039;s shoes and ask, &quot;And why do we, again, have to foot the bill in blood and money?&quot;   </p>
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		<title>By: dionissismitropoulos</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dionissismitropoulos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 00:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[EarlyBird 
 
&lt;i&gt;Let us give credit to Obama for putting together a brutal sanctions regime against Tehran&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Unlike you, i am not paranoid and i take you at your word that you are a Republican. 
 
So the only way to explain your congratulating Obama is that you are an &lt;strong&gt;anti-Israel firster.&lt;strong/&gt; 
 
&lt;i&gt;based on a soft-spoken diplomacy that shows respect for other nations, rather than the swaggering brand of &quot;leadership&quot; so many American right wingers prefer.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
When you mentioned the US respect for Iran, i almost cried at your display of sensitivity. 
 
But, may i suggest that respecting someone who does not respect &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; is counterproductive? 
 
 &lt;i&gt;Iran&#039;s economy is being savaged right now and stirring unrest.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
The sanctions hurt the Iranian people, not the regime&#039;s stability. They mullahs will proceed with their nuclear program undeterred, for they have nothing to lose. 
 
&lt;i&gt;Oh, for the Euros, I generally consider them useless.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Me too, but what does this have to do with Iran or with your anti-Israel bitterness?  
 
 
 
&lt;/strong&gt; ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EarlyBird </p>
<p><i>Let us give credit to Obama for putting together a brutal sanctions regime against Tehran</i> </p>
<p>Unlike you, i am not paranoid and i take you at your word that you are a Republican. </p>
<p>So the only way to explain your congratulating Obama is that you are an <strong>anti-Israel firster.&lt;strong/&gt; </p>
<p><i>based on a soft-spoken diplomacy that shows respect for other nations, rather than the swaggering brand of &quot;leadership&quot; so many American right wingers prefer.</i> </p>
<p>When you mentioned the US respect for Iran, i almost cried at your display of sensitivity. </p>
<p>But, may i suggest that respecting someone who does not respect <i>you</i> is counterproductive? </p>
<p> <i>Iran&#039;s economy is being savaged right now and stirring unrest.</i> </p>
<p>The sanctions hurt the Iranian people, not the regime&#039;s stability. They mullahs will proceed with their nuclear program undeterred, for they have nothing to lose. </p>
<p><i>Oh, for the Euros, I generally consider them useless.</i> </p>
<p>Me too, but what does this have to do with Iran or with your anti-Israel bitterness?  </p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 00:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;But you have succeeded (through you tone) in demonstrating that you want Israel to &quot;evaporate&quot;...&quot; 
 
Lady, you&#039;re back to your cheap tactics of suggesting I hate Jews or Israel. Stop.  
 
&quot;So, you mean that how markets perceive future oil supply is an irrelevant factor in the price determination?&quot; 
 
No.  I mean that the existence of Israel and the rage it engenders has been the cause of oil supply instability since there has been an Israel.   
 
You write as if Israel came about just to help out the US and it&#039;s oil prices. Absurd.  The relative stability we&#039;ve enjoyed in the region since the mid-70s has to do with the arms and other American support to make Israel the predominant military power, and our massive subsidization of rotten so-called &quot;pro-American&quot; Arab regimes who promise not to mess with Israel. 
 
Iran (or SA, Syria, Iraq, etc.) and the dysfunctional ME as we know it today wouldn&#039;t exist without Israel. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;But you have succeeded (through you tone) in demonstrating that you want Israel to &quot;evaporate&quot;&#8230;&quot; </p>
<p>Lady, you&#039;re back to your cheap tactics of suggesting I hate Jews or Israel. Stop.  </p>
<p>&quot;So, you mean that how markets perceive future oil supply is an irrelevant factor in the price determination?&quot; </p>
<p>No.  I mean that the existence of Israel and the rage it engenders has been the cause of oil supply instability since there has been an Israel.   </p>
<p>You write as if Israel came about just to help out the US and it&#039;s oil prices. Absurd.  The relative stability we&#039;ve enjoyed in the region since the mid-70s has to do with the arms and other American support to make Israel the predominant military power, and our massive subsidization of rotten so-called &quot;pro-American&quot; Arab regimes who promise not to mess with Israel. </p>
<p>Iran (or SA, Syria, Iraq, etc.) and the dysfunctional ME as we know it today wouldn&#039;t exist without Israel. </p>
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		<title>By: dionissismitropoulos</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2012 23:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[EarlyBird 
 
&lt;i&gt;There are no &quot;safe&quot; or &quot;limited&quot; wars. That&#039;s the first thing commanders learn in school, and countries (like the US) learn the hard way.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
The recent Libya bombing seemed pretty safe to me. 
 
&lt;i&gt;You start an &quot;easy&quot; air campaign and you unleash the dogs of war, especially when dealing with absolute fanatics.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Picturesque, i have to admit, but your assertion does not contain much (read:nothing) evidence or rational argument. 
 
&lt;i&gt;It&#039;s not necessary or useful, and actually counter to America&#039;s (and Israel&#039;s) interests.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
As i have been arguing ad nauseam, ending Iran&#039;s nuclear program is definitely in the interests of both Israel and the US. 
 
Do you have some counterarguments to the reasons i have already provided for my claim? Repeating again and again your conviction that the aerial bombing will harm Israel and the US does not count as having demonstrated anything. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EarlyBird </p>
<p><i>There are no &quot;safe&quot; or &quot;limited&quot; wars. That&#039;s the first thing commanders learn in school, and countries (like the US) learn the hard way.</i> </p>
<p>The recent Libya bombing seemed pretty safe to me. </p>
<p><i>You start an &quot;easy&quot; air campaign and you unleash the dogs of war, especially when dealing with absolute fanatics.</i> </p>
<p>Picturesque, i have to admit, but your assertion does not contain much (read:nothing) evidence or rational argument. </p>
<p><i>It&#039;s not necessary or useful, and actually counter to America&#039;s (and Israel&#039;s) interests.</i> </p>
<p>As i have been arguing ad nauseam, ending Iran&#039;s nuclear program is definitely in the interests of both Israel and the US. </p>
<p>Do you have some counterarguments to the reasons i have already provided for my claim? Repeating again and again your conviction that the aerial bombing will harm Israel and the US does not count as having demonstrated anything. </p>
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		<title>By: dionissismitropoulos</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2012 23:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[EarlyBird 
 
&lt;i&gt;As for a wider war, here&#039;s an IDF general&lt;/i&gt; 
 
The link you posted contains only one sentence by the IDF General, that &quot;an attack on Iran would ignite a regional war&quot;. And he obviously means the retaliation by Hamas and Hizbollah against Israel. That&#039;s something that would affect Israel alone, not the US. 
 
Is that all that you&#039; ve got? 
 
Try this link for the prospects of wider war, a link from a paper that is definitely anti-Israel,  
verging on anti-Semitic, the Guardian: 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/18/israeli-attack-iran&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
&lt;i&gt;As for airstrikes not physically being able to wipe out Iran&#039;s nuclear program, here&#039;s an IDF general&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Excuse me, but have you noticed that your links refers to &lt;i&gt;Israel&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; hypothetical aerial bombing, and not to the US&#039;? 
 
Your link provides evidence that &lt;i&gt;Israel&lt;/i&gt; cannot do it properly (a possibility that i have already acknowledged), not evidence that the US cannot do it. 
 
You seem to have forgotten that your claim was that the IDF Generals have said that &lt;i&gt;the US&lt;/i&gt; does not have the capability to knock out the program through airstrikes alone. 
 
So, do you have a link for your claim? 
 
Don&#039;t underestimate the military strength of your country that much.  
 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EarlyBird </p>
<p><i>As for a wider war, here&#039;s an IDF general</i> </p>
<p>The link you posted contains only one sentence by the IDF General, that &quot;an attack on Iran would ignite a regional war&quot;. And he obviously means the retaliation by Hamas and Hizbollah against Israel. That&#039;s something that would affect Israel alone, not the US. </p>
<p>Is that all that you&#039; ve got? </p>
<p>Try this link for the prospects of wider war, a link from a paper that is definitely anti-Israel,<br />
verging on anti-Semitic, the Guardian:<br />
  <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/18/israeli-attack-iran" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/</a>&#8230; </p>
<p><i>As for airstrikes not physically being able to wipe out Iran&#039;s nuclear program, here&#039;s an IDF general</i> </p>
<p>Excuse me, but have you noticed that your links refers to <i>Israel&#039;s</i> hypothetical aerial bombing, and not to the US&#039;? </p>
<p>Your link provides evidence that <i>Israel</i> cannot do it properly (a possibility that i have already acknowledged), not evidence that the US cannot do it. </p>
<p>You seem to have forgotten that your claim was that the IDF Generals have said that <i>the US</i> does not have the capability to knock out the program through airstrikes alone. </p>
<p>So, do you have a link for your claim? </p>
<p>Don&#039;t underestimate the military strength of your country that much.  </p>
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		<title>By: dionissismitropoulos</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dionissismitropoulos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2012 23:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[EarlyBird 
 
&lt;i&gt;There have been enormous geo-political and security costs to the US as I&#039;ve demonstrated. Put another way, Israel could evaporate and all we&#039;d lose geo-politically is a headache and a good weapons client.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Demonstrated? 
 
You wouldn&#039;t know what demonstration is even if it hit you. 
 
All you did was to say that there is a threat of Iranian-induced terrorist retaliation, a threat that will be even bigger if Iran gets the bomb. 
 
As for geopolitical costs, you have not even named them, let alone demonstrate their costliness. 
 
But you have succeeded (through you tone) in demonstrating that you want Israel to &quot;evaporate&quot; so as to rid yourself of the &quot;headache&quot; you deludedly think she represents. 
 
&lt;i&gt;Oil stablity? The entire reason for any ME oil volatility at all has to do with the existence of Israel and fanatical Arab hatred of her. That volatility wouldn&#039;t exist if Israel, due to on-going US support, didn&#039;t exist.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
So, you mean that how markets perceive future oil supply is an irrelevant factor in the price determination? Because, it so happens, that these perceptions get influenced by prospects of war, and a nuclear Iran makes the prospect of Middle East conflict a real possibility, even in the absence of the existence of Israel - does the possibility of war between Iran and Gulf states ring any bells? If not, reread the links that i posted, Arabs seem very concerned with a nuclear Iran because they fear conflict. 
 
I am sad to inform you that  markets evaluate risks (and adjust oil prices accordingly) very differently than you do, because, unlike you, they are in the quest of earning a profit, they are not interested in expressing their anti-Israel bitterness. 
 
But i got your point, you don&#039;t want Israel to exist.  
 
&lt;i&gt;Rather than continue to merely assert, try illustrating some of the wonderful &quot;benefits conferred (upon) the US&quot; by our alliance with Israel that have been worth the heartache.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Illustrate what? The billion dollar US arms sales to Saudi Arabia, thanks to the wish of the Arabs to stay close to Israel&#039;s cutting edge military force? I thought you knew that. 
 
Illustrate the fact that there has been an unprecedented stability in the Levant since 1973, a stability that has helped the US enjoy cheaper oil prices that it would have if there were constant wars among Israel and the Arabs? The whole point is that there have not been such wars that would hurt the American economy through increased oil prices. I cannot demonstrate the absence of turmoil, it is you who has to name  instances to the contrary - that is, if you could find any. 
 
&lt;i&gt;merely assert&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Have a look at how many points of mine you have conveniently  left unanswered throughout our exchange, and you will get a clear idea about who is the one providing arguments and who is the one merely asserting. 
 
 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EarlyBird </p>
<p><i>There have been enormous geo-political and security costs to the US as I&#039;ve demonstrated. Put another way, Israel could evaporate and all we&#039;d lose geo-politically is a headache and a good weapons client.</i> </p>
<p>Demonstrated? </p>
<p>You wouldn&#039;t know what demonstration is even if it hit you. </p>
<p>All you did was to say that there is a threat of Iranian-induced terrorist retaliation, a threat that will be even bigger if Iran gets the bomb. </p>
<p>As for geopolitical costs, you have not even named them, let alone demonstrate their costliness. </p>
<p>But you have succeeded (through you tone) in demonstrating that you want Israel to &quot;evaporate&quot; so as to rid yourself of the &quot;headache&quot; you deludedly think she represents. </p>
<p><i>Oil stablity? The entire reason for any ME oil volatility at all has to do with the existence of Israel and fanatical Arab hatred of her. That volatility wouldn&#039;t exist if Israel, due to on-going US support, didn&#039;t exist.</i> </p>
<p>So, you mean that how markets perceive future oil supply is an irrelevant factor in the price determination? Because, it so happens, that these perceptions get influenced by prospects of war, and a nuclear Iran makes the prospect of Middle East conflict a real possibility, even in the absence of the existence of Israel &#8211; does the possibility of war between Iran and Gulf states ring any bells? If not, reread the links that i posted, Arabs seem very concerned with a nuclear Iran because they fear conflict. </p>
<p>I am sad to inform you that  markets evaluate risks (and adjust oil prices accordingly) very differently than you do, because, unlike you, they are in the quest of earning a profit, they are not interested in expressing their anti-Israel bitterness. </p>
<p>But i got your point, you don&#039;t want Israel to exist.  </p>
<p><i>Rather than continue to merely assert, try illustrating some of the wonderful &quot;benefits conferred (upon) the US&quot; by our alliance with Israel that have been worth the heartache.</i> </p>
<p>Illustrate what? The billion dollar US arms sales to Saudi Arabia, thanks to the wish of the Arabs to stay close to Israel&#039;s cutting edge military force? I thought you knew that. </p>
<p>Illustrate the fact that there has been an unprecedented stability in the Levant since 1973, a stability that has helped the US enjoy cheaper oil prices that it would have if there were constant wars among Israel and the Arabs? The whole point is that there have not been such wars that would hurt the American economy through increased oil prices. I cannot demonstrate the absence of turmoil, it is you who has to name  instances to the contrary &#8211; that is, if you could find any. </p>
<p><i>merely assert</i> </p>
<p>Have a look at how many points of mine you have conveniently  left unanswered throughout our exchange, and you will get a clear idea about who is the one providing arguments and who is the one merely asserting. </p>
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		<title>By: dionissismitropoulos</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dionissismitropoulos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2012 22:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[EarlyBird 
 
&lt;i&gt;You &quot;... don&#039;t follow American politics deeply.&quot; ...but you refer to yourself as a &quot;hard core Republican&quot; who is liberal on abortion and same sex marriage? Hm. And you&#039;re just an ordinary Greek chick living in Greece?&lt;/i&gt; 
 
I referred to my political leanings in American political jargon so as to give you a clear idea. 
 
I am a libertarian as far as the economy is concerned (no state interference) but &quot;Republican&quot; conveys this meaning better than the term &quot;libertarian&quot; (which might be mixed-up with &quot;liberal&quot;. 
 
Now i am sure: you &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; paranoid. 
 
&lt;i&gt;And you&#039;re just an ordinary Greek chick living in Greece?&lt;/i&gt; 
 
And not only paranoid, delusional too (in that i have told you thrice that i am XY, DNA-wise). 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EarlyBird </p>
<p><i>You &quot;&#8230; don&#039;t follow American politics deeply.&quot; &#8230;but you refer to yourself as a &quot;hard core Republican&quot; who is liberal on abortion and same sex marriage? Hm. And you&#039;re just an ordinary Greek chick living in Greece?</i> </p>
<p>I referred to my political leanings in American political jargon so as to give you a clear idea. </p>
<p>I am a libertarian as far as the economy is concerned (no state interference) but &quot;Republican&quot; conveys this meaning better than the term &quot;libertarian&quot; (which might be mixed-up with &quot;liberal&quot;. </p>
<p>Now i am sure: you <i>are</i> paranoid. </p>
<p><i>And you&#039;re just an ordinary Greek chick living in Greece?</i> </p>
<p>And not only paranoid, delusional too (in that i have told you thrice that i am XY, DNA-wise). </p>
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