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		<title>By: The_John_Galt</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Partisan&quot; ..... hardly!  There was a fundamental shift in the Democrat Party in the 60&#039;s, I was there and I saw it!  The party took a sharp turn to the left and did not look back, the &quot;dumbed down Americans&quot; as you put it are in fact old guard Democrats that have not yet awoke from their drunken slumber, and still insist that Obama is good as he takes your liberty and freedom. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Partisan&quot; &#8230;.. hardly!  There was a fundamental shift in the Democrat Party in the 60&#039;s, I was there and I saw it!  The party took a sharp turn to the left and did not look back, the &quot;dumbed down Americans&quot; as you put it are in fact old guard Democrats that have not yet awoke from their drunken slumber, and still insist that Obama is good as he takes your liberty and freedom. </p>
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		<title>By: The_John_Galt</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am glad to respond: 
 
1) George Washington 
2) Thomas Jefferson 
3) Calvin Coolidge 
4) Ronald Reagan 
5) James Madison ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad to respond: </p>
<p>1) George Washington<br />
2) Thomas Jefferson<br />
3) Calvin Coolidge<br />
4) Ronald Reagan<br />
5) James Madison </p>
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		<title>By: kentatwater</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 04:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because when one wishes to carve away the truth from the half-truths, obfuscation, and lies, a scalpel is a better choice of tool, than a mallet. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because when one wishes to carve away the truth from the half-truths, obfuscation, and lies, a scalpel is a better choice of tool, than a mallet. </p>
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		<title>By: kentatwater</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 04:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, lovely.  Now the condescending provincial characterization.  A favorite tacit among the left.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, lovely.  Now the condescending provincial characterization.  A favorite tacit among the left.  </p>
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		<title>By: Jim_C</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was referring to their health care system. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was referring to their health care system. </p>
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		<title>By: mulberry sale</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mulberry sale]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 07:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is captcha code?, pls provide me captcha code codes or plugin, Thanks in advance. 
That&#8217;s Too nice, when it comes in india hope it can make a Rocking place for youngster.. hope that come true. 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mulberry-sale.biz&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mulberry sale&lt;/a&gt; ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is captcha code?, pls provide me captcha code codes or plugin, Thanks in advance.<br />
That&rsquo;s Too nice, when it comes in india hope it can make a Rocking place for youngster.. hope that come true.<br />
<a href="http://www.mulberry-sale.biz" rel="nofollow">mulberry sale</a> </p>
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		<title>By: Canof Sand</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 03:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Switzerland is over 40% of its GDP in debt! 
 
&quot;Government does not redistribute&quot; 
Then how do you explain the progressive tax system? Claim it&#039;s &quot;social justice&quot; or whatever crap you like all you want, it&#039;s still, by bloody definition, redistribution of wealth. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Switzerland is over 40% of its GDP in debt! </p>
<p>&quot;Government does not redistribute&quot;<br />
Then how do you explain the progressive tax system? Claim it&#039;s &quot;social justice&quot; or whatever crap you like all you want, it&#039;s still, by bloody definition, redistribution of wealth. </p>
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		<title>By: kentatwater</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 02:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People like Shona Holmes in Canada are made to face the possibility of permanent blindness, because of the triage caused by socialism-induced scarcity of care. Fortunately, she had the means to come here to be treated.  
  
You appear to make the mistake many other make, when responding to people like myself, who do not want the likes of Obamacare. I don&#039;t think the current system is terrific, I want it to go in the opposite direction, with fewer regulations, and with the consumer more in the cost loop. Without that, prices are going to continue to climb. For example, even though extremely expensive equipment is needed for Lasik procedures, the prices for it keep dropping. I believe the reason for this, is it is a procedure rarely covered by insurance. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People like Shona Holmes in Canada are made to face the possibility of permanent blindness, because of the triage caused by socialism-induced scarcity of care. Fortunately, she had the means to come here to be treated.  </p>
<p>You appear to make the mistake many other make, when responding to people like myself, who do not want the likes of Obamacare. I don&#039;t think the current system is terrific, I want it to go in the opposite direction, with fewer regulations, and with the consumer more in the cost loop. Without that, prices are going to continue to climb. For example, even though extremely expensive equipment is needed for Lasik procedures, the prices for it keep dropping. I believe the reason for this, is it is a procedure rarely covered by insurance. </p>
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		<title>By: Jim_C</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 02:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Switzerland. Mandated, government-subsidized coverage (tiered to income level). BUT--People shop for value and health savings accounts are common. Insurance companies cannot profit on basic coverage--but they can offer extras to attract patronage. Government does not redistribute. 
 
And they spend way less. 
 
And we spend way more than ANY of our industrialized counterparts (who don&#039;t complain about their coverage nearly as much as we do, despite your portrayal). ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Switzerland. Mandated, government-subsidized coverage (tiered to income level). BUT&#8211;People shop for value and health savings accounts are common. Insurance companies cannot profit on basic coverage&#8211;but they can offer extras to attract patronage. Government does not redistribute. </p>
<p>And they spend way less. </p>
<p>And we spend way more than ANY of our industrialized counterparts (who don&#039;t complain about their coverage nearly as much as we do, despite your portrayal). </p>
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		<title>By: kentatwater</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kentatwater]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;In the height of the crisis, the &quot;government&quot; was the only entity that could step in for the obvious reasons. But here in the bubble, you have an alternate history for anything that might disrupt the belief system. &lt;/i&gt; 
 
No alternate history...just real history.  Before &quot;the&quot; great depression, there was an earlier depression.  It didn&#039;t blossom into the tide of misery of &quot;the&quot; depression, precisely because of how little the government interfered with the market. 
 
As far as health insurance goes, you may want to research precisely why we have a system where the default is insurance provided by employers.  The answer will likely surprise you. 
 
Regardless of whether a good or service is provided in a pseudo-market, or is socialist, any time most consumers are divorced from its cost, you will see rising costs, shortages, or both.  It is thus in Canada, where people die waiting for care for already diagnosed diseases.  In Sweden, clinics often have armed guards ready to turn people away, when they&#039;ve handled the day&#039;s quota. 
 
 &lt;i&gt;They don&#039;t produce anything but paper and woe&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Sound and fury, signifying nothing. 
 
&lt;i&gt;... it&#039;s too expensive...&lt;/i&gt; 
 
We actually agree on the effect, just not the cause.  A socialized system would actually be the most expensive of all; it simply displaces the availability of expensive care, for the lack of care. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In the height of the crisis, the &quot;government&quot; was the only entity that could step in for the obvious reasons. But here in the bubble, you have an alternate history for anything that might disrupt the belief system. </i> </p>
<p>No alternate history&#8230;just real history.  Before &quot;the&quot; great depression, there was an earlier depression.  It didn&#039;t blossom into the tide of misery of &quot;the&quot; depression, precisely because of how little the government interfered with the market. </p>
<p>As far as health insurance goes, you may want to research precisely why we have a system where the default is insurance provided by employers.  The answer will likely surprise you. </p>
<p>Regardless of whether a good or service is provided in a pseudo-market, or is socialist, any time most consumers are divorced from its cost, you will see rising costs, shortages, or both.  It is thus in Canada, where people die waiting for care for already diagnosed diseases.  In Sweden, clinics often have armed guards ready to turn people away, when they&#039;ve handled the day&#039;s quota. </p>
<p> <i>They don&#039;t produce anything but paper and woe</i> </p>
<p>Sound and fury, signifying nothing. </p>
<p><i>&#8230; it&#039;s too expensive&#8230;</i> </p>
<p>We actually agree on the effect, just not the cause.  A socialized system would actually be the most expensive of all; it simply displaces the availability of expensive care, for the lack of care. </p>
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		<title>By: justquitnow</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The companies would have been broken up and sold off. Millions of jobs...  
 
&quot;Naw. That&#039;s not how bankruptcy and reorganization works. Yours is a fantasy land where, if the sugar daddy government doesn&#039;t swoop in to save a company, it&#039;s doomed.&quot; 
 
Yes, it might seem like fantasy land because you live here in this alternate universe.  I&#039;m not doing research for you this morning....but there was a banking crisis going on too...I&#039;m not sure where you think the money for restructuring was going to come from. Maybe you could check with Mitt Romney who has been faulted from across the spectrum of economists for saying the same thing you say. It&#039;s just not realistic. In the height of the crisis, the &quot;government&quot; was the only entity that could step in for the obvious reasons. But here in the bubble, you have an alternate history for anything that might disrupt the belief system.  
 
&quot;Nope. It (destroying insurance companies) is a stated goal of the regime.&quot; 
 
Again &quot;regime&quot;...that&#039;s cute. Um...I don&#039;t think we are going to see additional health care reform if Obama is reelected. The affordable Health Care Act is really going to start taking effect next year and through 2014, so it would be odd to forward anymore legislation on health care.  We should just create national health care service like that commie Churchill did in England. I think we should....is destroying insurance companies now my stated goal? 
 
&quot;Creating a marketplace where people pay more and more for less and less is a formula for engendering a desire for rescue from big daddy government.&quot; 
 
But insurance is about MORE people paying less for more. The broader the insurance base, the less the premiums have to be. The state of insurance companies relative to the health care industry is unique in the United States where because of the insurance company / health provider hybrids, the price of healthcare has become so great you can&#039;t afford it without insurance. If you get bashed in the face and have to go to the emergency room, it will costs thousands of dollars...and if you don&#039;t have insurance to cover their weird billing, your screwed. The guy who is sewing your face closed isn&#039;t getting the $500/hour the bill might come out to...it&#039;s all the crazy hospital and admin costs that get ya. This labyrinth of crap has been created over the years to syphon off money in the form of &quot;profit&quot;.  Not doctor or nurse or surgeon or specialist&#039;s profit, but the profit of the creators of the structure (the insurance corporations). If we are headed to single payer healthcare, then this is the scenic route. 
 
&quot;Heh. Yeh. For an industry that produces &quot;nothing,&quot; some people sure do want it around when they want their birth control pills &quot;free.&quot; 
 
Yeah you&#039;re hilarious. They don&#039;t produce anything but paper and woe....but since we can&#039;t have a single-payer healthcare system, then insurance companies are necessary because it&#039;s too expensive to just pay as you go (thanks to them). ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The companies would have been broken up and sold off. Millions of jobs&#8230;  </p>
<p>&quot;Naw. That&#039;s not how bankruptcy and reorganization works. Yours is a fantasy land where, if the sugar daddy government doesn&#039;t swoop in to save a company, it&#039;s doomed.&quot; </p>
<p>Yes, it might seem like fantasy land because you live here in this alternate universe.  I&#039;m not doing research for you this morning&#8230;.but there was a banking crisis going on too&#8230;I&#039;m not sure where you think the money for restructuring was going to come from. Maybe you could check with Mitt Romney who has been faulted from across the spectrum of economists for saying the same thing you say. It&#039;s just not realistic. In the height of the crisis, the &quot;government&quot; was the only entity that could step in for the obvious reasons. But here in the bubble, you have an alternate history for anything that might disrupt the belief system.  </p>
<p>&quot;Nope. It (destroying insurance companies) is a stated goal of the regime.&quot; </p>
<p>Again &quot;regime&quot;&#8230;that&#039;s cute. Um&#8230;I don&#039;t think we are going to see additional health care reform if Obama is reelected. The affordable Health Care Act is really going to start taking effect next year and through 2014, so it would be odd to forward anymore legislation on health care.  We should just create national health care service like that commie Churchill did in England. I think we should&#8230;.is destroying insurance companies now my stated goal? </p>
<p>&quot;Creating a marketplace where people pay more and more for less and less is a formula for engendering a desire for rescue from big daddy government.&quot; </p>
<p>But insurance is about MORE people paying less for more. The broader the insurance base, the less the premiums have to be. The state of insurance companies relative to the health care industry is unique in the United States where because of the insurance company / health provider hybrids, the price of healthcare has become so great you can&#039;t afford it without insurance. If you get bashed in the face and have to go to the emergency room, it will costs thousands of dollars&#8230;and if you don&#039;t have insurance to cover their weird billing, your screwed. The guy who is sewing your face closed isn&#039;t getting the $500/hour the bill might come out to&#8230;it&#039;s all the crazy hospital and admin costs that get ya. This labyrinth of crap has been created over the years to syphon off money in the form of &quot;profit&quot;.  Not doctor or nurse or surgeon or specialist&#039;s profit, but the profit of the creators of the structure (the insurance corporations). If we are headed to single payer healthcare, then this is the scenic route. </p>
<p>&quot;Heh. Yeh. For an industry that produces &quot;nothing,&quot; some people sure do want it around when they want their birth control pills &quot;free.&quot; </p>
<p>Yeah you&#039;re hilarious. They don&#039;t produce anything but paper and woe&#8230;.but since we can&#039;t have a single-payer healthcare system, then insurance companies are necessary because it&#039;s too expensive to just pay as you go (thanks to them). </p>
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		<title>By: kentatwater</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 11:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;The companies would have been broken up and sold off. Millions of jobs...&lt;/i&gt;  
  
Naw. That&#039;s not how bankruptcy and reorganization works. Yours is a fantasy land where, if the sugar daddy government doesn&#039;t swoop in to save a company, it&#039;s doomed.  
  
&lt;i&gt;You don&#039;t have no evidence of this.&lt;/i&gt; &lt;---- really? &quot;don&#039;t have no?&quot;  
  
Nope. It is a stated goal of the regime.  
  
&lt;i&gt;Mandating people to buy their products is sure an ass-backwards way of destroying them.&lt;/i&gt;  
  
Creating a marketplace where people pay more and more for less and less is a formula for engendering a desire for rescue from big daddy government.  
  
&lt;i&gt;Since insurance companies are pencil pushers that produce nothing, I&#039;m not sure what would be destroyed anyway.&lt;/i&gt;  
  
Heh. Yeh. For an industry that produces &quot;nothing,&quot; some people sure do want it around when they want their birth control pills &quot;free.&quot; ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The companies would have been broken up and sold off. Millions of jobs&#8230;</i>  </p>
<p>Naw. That&#039;s not how bankruptcy and reorganization works. Yours is a fantasy land where, if the sugar daddy government doesn&#039;t swoop in to save a company, it&#039;s doomed.  </p>
<p><i>You don&#039;t have no evidence of this.</i> &amp;lt;&#8212;- really? &quot;don&#039;t have no?&quot;  </p>
<p>Nope. It is a stated goal of the regime.  </p>
<p><i>Mandating people to buy their products is sure an ass-backwards way of destroying them.</i>  </p>
<p>Creating a marketplace where people pay more and more for less and less is a formula for engendering a desire for rescue from big daddy government.  </p>
<p><i>Since insurance companies are pencil pushers that produce nothing, I&#039;m not sure what would be destroyed anyway.</i>  </p>
<p>Heh. Yeh. For an industry that produces &quot;nothing,&quot; some people sure do want it around when they want their birth control pills &quot;free.&quot; </p>
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		<title>By: kentatwater</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2012 13:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Hey you can think whatever you want is nationalization....but that doesn&#039;t make it so.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Take your own advice.  The regime was very clear on what its goal has been, regarding healthcare.  The unworkable stop gap garbage that will soon be repealed was designed to be a failure...but only after wrecking the health insurance industry. 
 
&lt;i&gt;Face it, Obama saved these industries and the cascading effects their bankruptcy would have had across the economy.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
There&#039;s nothing else to call that, but fantasy.  We don&#039;t know what would have happened with Chrysler or GM, had the nationalization process not been started. 
 
&lt;i&gt;At the time FPM ran articles claiming that Obama was personally deciding which dealerships should be shut down and he was only shutting down &quot;conservative&quot; and Christian owners. What malarky. &lt;/i&gt; 
 
And you &lt;b&gt;know&lt;/b&gt; such is not true?  Where do you get your info...or is it just a matter of hopey-changy belief? 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Hey you can think whatever you want is nationalization&#8230;.but that doesn&#039;t make it so.</i> </p>
<p>Take your own advice.  The regime was very clear on what its goal has been, regarding healthcare.  The unworkable stop gap garbage that will soon be repealed was designed to be a failure&#8230;but only after wrecking the health insurance industry. </p>
<p><i>Face it, Obama saved these industries and the cascading effects their bankruptcy would have had across the economy.</i> </p>
<p>There&#039;s nothing else to call that, but fantasy.  We don&#039;t know what would have happened with Chrysler or GM, had the nationalization process not been started. </p>
<p><i>At the time FPM ran articles claiming that Obama was personally deciding which dealerships should be shut down and he was only shutting down &quot;conservative&quot; and Christian owners. What malarky. </i> </p>
<p>And you <b>know</b> such is not true?  Where do you get your info&#8230;or is it just a matter of hopey-changy belief? </p>
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		<title>By: mattogilvie55</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 15:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nah, he&#039;s just another America-hating butthead like Obama. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah, he&#039;s just another America-hating butthead like Obama. </p>
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		<title>By: kentatwater</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 14:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your response to &quot;reader&quot; is disengenious, in the extreme.  
  
reader:  
&lt;b&gt;Obamacare is nothing but the attempt to nationalize healthcare industry and put insurance industry out of business&lt;/b&gt;  
  
you:  
&lt;i&gt;We have no public option. People are mandated to buy insurance from a private company. This is not nationalized health care. &lt;/i&gt;  
  
There is no debate that the regime&#039;s initial push was for a &quot;single payer&quot; (&quot;socialized,&quot; once we apply a little euphemism-remover) system.  That the Obamacare monstrosity we have now does not reflect such...yet...was not for a lack of trying.  
  
As &quot;reader&quot; said: &lt;b&gt;...attempt to nationalize...&lt;/b&gt;  Advantage, &quot;reader.&quot;  
  
&lt;i&gt; The auto industry likewise has not been nationalized.&lt;/i&gt;  
  
Nationalization entails the termination of private interest in assets by the government.  Private bondholders had the value of their bonds rendered virtually nil.  
  
As &lt;a href=&quot;http://aconservativeteacher.blogspot.com/2012/03/obama-did-not-save-auto-industry-my.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a Conservative Teacher&lt;/a&gt; puts it:  
  
&lt;i&gt;It matters that President Obama then took Bush&#039;s program and expanded it and turned it from a &#039;bailout to save the auto industries&#039; into a &#039;government takes over GM and gives half of it to the union and gives Chrysler a lot of cash to get bought by an Italian company.&#039; And rather than simply giving the money out as a loan with conditions, like Bush was going to do, Obama and his officials instead made far more daily decisions and played political games with the closing of dealerships and who got pensions- they played political games at a time when our nation was facing a deep crisis. That was gangster capitalism at its finest.&lt;/i&gt;  
  
Sure looks like nationalization to me. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your response to &quot;reader&quot; is disengenious, in the extreme.  </p>
<p>reader:<br />
<b>Obamacare is nothing but the attempt to nationalize healthcare industry and put insurance industry out of business</b>  </p>
<p>you:<br />
<i>We have no public option. People are mandated to buy insurance from a private company. This is not nationalized health care. </i>  </p>
<p>There is no debate that the regime&#039;s initial push was for a &quot;single payer&quot; (&quot;socialized,&quot; once we apply a little euphemism-remover) system.  That the Obamacare monstrosity we have now does not reflect such&#8230;yet&#8230;was not for a lack of trying.  </p>
<p>As &quot;reader&quot; said: <b>&#8230;attempt to nationalize&#8230;</b>  Advantage, &quot;reader.&quot;  </p>
<p><i> The auto industry likewise has not been nationalized.</i>  </p>
<p>Nationalization entails the termination of private interest in assets by the government.  Private bondholders had the value of their bonds rendered virtually nil.  </p>
<p>As <a href="http://aconservativeteacher.blogspot.com/2012/03/obama-did-not-save-auto-industry-my.html" rel="nofollow">a Conservative Teacher</a> puts it:  </p>
<p><i>It matters that President Obama then took Bush&#039;s program and expanded it and turned it from a &#039;bailout to save the auto industries&#039; into a &#039;government takes over GM and gives half of it to the union and gives Chrysler a lot of cash to get bought by an Italian company.&#039; And rather than simply giving the money out as a loan with conditions, like Bush was going to do, Obama and his officials instead made far more daily decisions and played political games with the closing of dealerships and who got pensions- they played political games at a time when our nation was facing a deep crisis. That was gangster capitalism at its finest.</i>  </p>
<p>Sure looks like nationalization to me. </p>
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		<title>By: kentatwater</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 14:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, and Hussein is half-white.  What of it? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, and Hussein is half-white.  What of it? </p>
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		<title>By: Wesley69</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 20:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Moderate-Conservatives within the Democrat party became fewer and fewer after 1968.  LBJ had lost control over his party when he decided not to seek reelection.  The Vietnam War and its anti-war movement did, not only LBJ in, but the Conservative Democrats, who were not thrilled about the Civil Rights legislation passed in the 60&#039;s. 
 
After the insanity of the Chicago Convention of 68, in 72, the Radicals took over the Democrat Convention and with McGovern as the standard bearer went down to historic defeat.  In this election, President Nixon developed a Southern Strategy to attract Southern Democrats into or vote for the Republican Party.  Had Watergate not occurred, Nixon may have made the Republican Party the governing party in the US.  It was during this time we have the realigning of various constituencies.  Southerners go Republican.  Blacks go Democrat, as well as Feminists. Evangical Christians go Republican.   
 
After Carter&#039;s disasterous presidency, Reagan restored the fortunes of the Republican Party.  Though there was partisanship during Reagan, Bush and Clinton&#039;s presidency, it was ignited by the disputed election of 2000.  Bush&#039;s election was not accepted by Democrats and his reelection only put salt into their wounds.  The Iraqi War, as did the Vietnam War, helped to weaken Bush severely.  With the crash of 2008, no Republican was going to win.  Nor were Republicans willing to go after Obama, an excellent speaker and the first African American nominee of any party.   
 
Under Bush and certainly under Obama, the partisanship is extreme.  But so too are the central ideas of each party - the Republicans - to the Right, the Democrats - to the Left.  Movement to the middle is necessary for either party to win, but will they swing hard either way once elected.  
 
As for McGovern winning today???  Obama is a sharp political operative.  He is definitely a more attractive candidate.  McGovern was not the idealogue that Obama is.  The dirty game of politics is something that Obama is certainly winning to engage in.  McGovern, I believe, would never stoop to that level.  However, his opponent, Nixon, certainly did.       ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Moderate-Conservatives within the Democrat party became fewer and fewer after 1968.  LBJ had lost control over his party when he decided not to seek reelection.  The Vietnam War and its anti-war movement did, not only LBJ in, but the Conservative Democrats, who were not thrilled about the Civil Rights legislation passed in the 60&#039;s. </p>
<p>After the insanity of the Chicago Convention of 68, in 72, the Radicals took over the Democrat Convention and with McGovern as the standard bearer went down to historic defeat.  In this election, President Nixon developed a Southern Strategy to attract Southern Democrats into or vote for the Republican Party.  Had Watergate not occurred, Nixon may have made the Republican Party the governing party in the US.  It was during this time we have the realigning of various constituencies.  Southerners go Republican.  Blacks go Democrat, as well as Feminists. Evangical Christians go Republican.   </p>
<p>After Carter&#039;s disasterous presidency, Reagan restored the fortunes of the Republican Party.  Though there was partisanship during Reagan, Bush and Clinton&#039;s presidency, it was ignited by the disputed election of 2000.  Bush&#039;s election was not accepted by Democrats and his reelection only put salt into their wounds.  The Iraqi War, as did the Vietnam War, helped to weaken Bush severely.  With the crash of 2008, no Republican was going to win.  Nor were Republicans willing to go after Obama, an excellent speaker and the first African American nominee of any party.   </p>
<p>Under Bush and certainly under Obama, the partisanship is extreme.  But so too are the central ideas of each party &#8211; the Republicans &#8211; to the Right, the Democrats &#8211; to the Left.  Movement to the middle is necessary for either party to win, but will they swing hard either way once elected.  </p>
<p>As for McGovern winning today???  Obama is a sharp political operative.  He is definitely a more attractive candidate.  McGovern was not the idealogue that Obama is.  The dirty game of politics is something that Obama is certainly winning to engage in.  McGovern, I believe, would never stoop to that level.  However, his opponent, Nixon, certainly did.       </p>
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		<title>By: Ghostwriter</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 20:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve got a question. Who are your five best presidents? 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve got a question. Who are your five best presidents? </p>
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		<title>By: reader</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 19:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apparently, you&#039;re not following your &quot;dear leader&quot; and his chronies, for they slipped their tongue on more than a few occasions describing their strategy to incrementally get to the single payer entirely government run system. But I&#039;l give you the benefit of a doubt and suppose that rather than being thick as a brick, you simply think that you&#039;re so clever that nobody can see through this demagoguery. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently, you&#039;re not following your &quot;dear leader&quot; and his chronies, for they slipped their tongue on more than a few occasions describing their strategy to incrementally get to the single payer entirely government run system. But I&#039;l give you the benefit of a doubt and suppose that rather than being thick as a brick, you simply think that you&#039;re so clever that nobody can see through this demagoguery. </p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 19:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If he had&#039;nt done it, he&#039;d get his nomination in a landslide by now. The healthcare in Massachusetts is a disaster, as it is a disaster in the UK, Sweden, etc, etc. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he had&#039;nt done it, he&#039;d get his nomination in a landslide by now. The healthcare in Massachusetts is a disaster, as it is a disaster in the UK, Sweden, etc, etc. </p>
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