Jewish Students Who Stand With Israel’s Enemies and Call Them ‘Brothers’

David Horowitz was one of the founders of the New Left in the 1960s and an editor of its largest magazine, Ramparts. He is the author, with Peter Collier, of three best selling dynastic biographies: The Rockefellers: An American Dynasty (1976); The Kennedys: An American Dream (1984); and The Fords: An American Epic (1987). Looking back in anger at their days in the New Left, he and Collier wrote Destructive Generation (1989), a chronicle of their second thoughts about the 60s that has been compared to Whittaker Chambers’ Witness and other classic works documenting a break from totalitarianism. Horowitz examined this subject more closely in Radical Son (1996), a memoir tracing his odyssey from “red-diaper baby” to conservative activist that George Gilder described as “the first great autobiography of his generation.” His latest book is Take No Prisoners: The Battle Plan for Defeating the Left (Regnery Publishing).

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Last week I travelled to Chapel Hill North Carolina at the invitation of Christians United for Israel and the Committee for a Better Carolina, a conservative student group whose leaders are not Jewish. I mention this otherwise irrelevant fact because they asked me specifically to speak about the war against Israel in the Middle East and when I asked their leader Brandon Hartness why, he said to me, “because there is no one making a strong argument for Israel on this campus.”

As on most campuses, there is a large and active campus Jewish group at Chapel Hill, namely Hillel. But UNC Hillel was not about to invite me or to sponsor this speech. In fact UNC Hillel had attacked me last spring when these same students, again led by Brandon Hartness, put up my “Wall of Lies” – a banner created by my Freedom Center to refute the genocidal lies that make up the Palestinian case against Israel. The most fundamental of these lies is that Israel “occupies” Arab land and that this occupation is the source of the conflict.

This lie effectively delegitimizes the Jewish state and underpins the claim that Palestine extends “from the river to the sea” – obliterating Israel all together. Members of the Muslim Students Association and Students for Justice in Palestine chant on campuses across the country: “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.” The Jordan River is Israel’s eastern border, the Mediterranean Sea is its border to the west. In other words, Palestine is Israel, and therefore Israel must be obliterated.

The truth is that Israel — like Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Jordan — was created on land that belonged to the Turks for 400 years prior to the establishment of the mandates from which Israel and those Arab states were carved. The Arabs have less of a claim on the West Bank, let alone on Israel proper, than American Indians have on the United States.

When the “Wall of Lies” banner was erected on the UNC campus last spring, two directors of Hillel – Ari Gauss and Sheila Katz — wrote a letter to the Daily Tar Heel dissociating themselves from the Wall and defending the Muslim Students Association which was identified on it as a group that was making the false claim that Israel occupies Palestine on campuses across the country. This was not the first or only attack on the Wall by liberal Jews active in the university community, and was in fact mild compared to others, which denounced me as an “Islamophobe” and “racist” for stating the essential truths about the war against the Jewish state.

Hillel students at the University of Pennsylvania, who voiced these specific slanders did so in a joint letter signed by members of the Hamas-supporting group “Penn for Palestine” (formerly Students for Justice in Palestine) and the Muslim Students Association, which, as has been documented in publications of my Freedom Center, is a Muslim Brotherhood front. Elisheva Goldberg who was one of the leaders of the Penn attack is now working for Peter Beinart, the proponent of the view that the Palestinian Authority-Hamas coalition wants peace with Israel and that the obstacle to peace is Israel itself.

In an attempt to understand these reactions, I contacted Hillel officials and attempted to explore ways to work with them. At a bare minimum I hoped to avoid being attacked by Jews for my efforts to defend the Jewish state. I went to Philadelphia and met with the regional director of Hillel, Rabbi Howard Alpert, and more than a dozen Jewish student leaders. Our discussions revealed that alongside the Elisheva Goldbergs, Hillel had genuine defenders of Israel and was doing important work in supporting the Jewish state. Hillel’s national office had issued policy guidelines forbidding its local chapters from entering working partnerships with organizations that did not defend the existence of the Jewish state, specifically Students for Justice in Palestine and the Muslim Students Association. Unfortunately, this was a policy not always observed by the local chapters, which were independently funded and run. But my contacts with Hillel directors who shared my views of the conflict made me want to work with them to change that.

From my discussions in Philadelphia, I made two observations. The first was that I had made a mistake in not discussing the ads we placed in college papers with members of Hillel in advance. The appearance of the ads inevitably created a local firestorm, thanks to the aggressive organizations of the Muslim Brotherhood and the political left, which attacked them as “Islamophobic” and “racist” at every turn. This is a standard operating procedure of the left generally, whose goal is never to engage an opinion that challenges its core beliefs but to demonize and suppress it. In pursuit of this goal, leftists have no qualms about implicating others in its smears, making any group on campus that is Jewish or “pro-Israel” a party to the crime.

The second observation was that my approach to the defense of Israel was different from that of most Hillel chapters. I believed that the way to combat genocidal claims and intentions (i.e., that Israel’s existence is illegitimate and the Jewish state should be obliterated) was by identifying them for what they were. By contrast, members of Hillel – even those who understood these malevolent agendas – felt that the defense of Israel should be positive, stressing the tolerance, creativity and generosity of the Jewish state, as well as its legitimacy, while refraining from identifying its enemies and their supporters with the genocidal intentions they held.

It was — and is — my view that the refusal to identify Israel’s enemies with their malignant goals weakens the case for Israel’s defense. The left understands that demonizing one’s adversary as a “colonial occupier” is the most effective argument, even though this requires inventing the facts. But supporters of Israel give their most important asset away at the outset. This forces them to play defense, which is always the weaker position. The left understands that intimidation through name-calling works – no one wants to be called a “racist” — which is why so many Jewish students are reluctant to “offend” them by speaking the blunt truths that are contained in my ads.

In accord with the policy I had adopted after my discussions in Philadelphia, I submitted an ad I wanted to run in the UNC student paper — the Daily Tar Heel — to the UNC Hillel director, Ari Gauss. The ad I wanted to run was headlined “Where Are They Now?” and featured nine former presidents of the Muslim Students Association who had gone on to leadership positions in al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations. The most famous among them was Anwar Awlaki, mentor of the Christmas bomber and the Ft. Hood assassin, who had previously been president of the Muslim Students Association at Colorado State University.

Also featured in the ad was a pamphlet we had produced, which was written by Daniel Greenfield, and titled “Muslim Hate Groups On Campus.” The pamphlet documented the anti-Jewish hate weeks and other outrages committed by the Muslim Students Association and Students for Justice in Palestine. Greenfield also traced the groups’ lineage back to the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas.  Gauss responded to my email with the proposed ad in this reply:

While it’s unspeakably upsetting and problematic that our campuses are supporting individuals that become leaders in terrorist organizations, my chief concern about the ad is that it’s not clear to me 1) how connected one campus MSA may be to another and 2) specifically, how connected UNC’s MSA chapter is to the national entity or other campus MSA chapters. To run this ad in UNC’s paper suggests that UNC’s MSA is connected to the others in some meaningful way and part of the problem. I’m not convinced that this is the case.

I have heard this argument from more than one Hillel director, but it always puzzles me. First, why would an organization take on the same name as an already existing national organization like MSA, which has chapters on virtually every campus, if it was not related to it? Wouldn’t the national MSA sue any organization appropriating its name and recruiting members using that name as infringing its copyright? Of course it would. But secondly, a quick search of the national MSA website shows that the UNC chapter is indeed one of the national MSA affiliates. Yet Ari didn’t bother to look.

Because I wanted to work with Ari, I let this go and agreed not to run the ad. In a phone conversation Ari explained to me that in his view the Muslim Students Association at UNC was “not political.” Hillel in fact worked closely with the UNC MSA chapter and had established a joint “Israeli-Palestinian Dialogue Committee” with its members. He was very proud of the dialogue. I asked him if this Committee was based on a public commitment by the MSA that the Jewish state had a right to exist on the land now called Israel. I got no satisfactory response but again chose to continue our dialogue. Since I had withdrawn the ad, I asked Ari if he would distribute our pamphlet, Muslim Hate Groups on Campus to his Hillel students, because they (and he) needed to be informed as to what was actually taking place on campuses across the country. He said he would do this, so I sent him 50 copies.

When the speaking date was set, my office called Ari to arrange a meeting with him and also with some Hillel students. Jeffrey Wienir who runs our campus programs informed me that he was having trouble setting up such a meeting because the Hillel students were “to the left” (and didn’t want to be in the same room with me). It would require Ari’s intervention to get any of them to agree. When I arrived at Ari’s office a few hours before my speech, we had a brief chat in which he reiterated that he had good working relationships with the Muslim Students Association. Then he introduced me to the two students who were willing to meet with me, whose names were Jacob and Josh.

Josh Orol was the co-president of the campus Hillel. But it was his partner, Jacob, who was visibly agitated. “Why did you run that ad last year?” he asked, referring to an ad containing the Wall of Lies I had placed in the Tar Heel. I asked him what he objected to, and he said its references to the Koran were wrong and it was an attack on a religion. Neither of us could remember what the ad actually said (in fact the only reference to the Koran was that Jerusalem, which the Palestinians now claim is a Muslim holy city, was never mentioned in the holy book), but I jumped right in.

“The ad doesn’t attack Muslims,” I said, but then asked whether he didn’t agree that Islam was problematic in a way that Christianity and Judaism were not. I pointed out that Christians worshipped a carpenter who preached non-violence and never committed a violent act in his life. By contrast Muslims worshipped a prophet who was a warrior who spread his religion by force, killed those he considered infidels and in fact committed a genocide against an entire community of Jews – the Qurayza tribe — because they were Jews. To which Jacob responded, “Well, in the Torah, Joshua conducted a war of extermination against the Amalekites.”

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  • Sally

    Hillel has long been part of the problem, not part of the solution!

    • Delores Kaufman

      I think this is a form of the STOCKHOLM syndrome…. Jewish students feel like a very small group and they are "forced" to put up with muslim pressures and harrassment because the University( especially THERE gives into muslim demands) … and they, the Jewish students are AFRAID.

      • Delores Kaufman

        Or they really are traitors to their faith and their own people.

  • EvaSmagacz

    If you want to avoid one state solution, move your backside to get two state solution. Like in any negotiations, if you offer is close enough to what your opposite side wants, they will go for it. Not like you don't know what it is. But if you cannot get democratic majority in Israel to agree to it, then by default, Israel is choosing South Africa fate.

    • SHmuel HaLevi

      I believe you need desperately a bit of exposure and TRUTH.
      THERE is not a "palestinean" people. The PTB created that as they created the PILTDOWN man. (Hopefully you have the reach to know about that.). Great Britain and other flotsam did not like being thrown out of here and conspired to fabricate a palestinean item as their proxy. The aggregate called "palestinean" cannot even talk to each other as they hail from hamulas, (islamic clans), from completely distant lands and roots.
      Eretz Israel was since times not on your national records, JEWISH, and will be so again. Regardless of what foreign scum planned all along. 1948 was just a cover up by the Allies of their own Holocaust contributions.
      We know that precisely and intend to attend to that in due time…
      As I know South Africa in person since before and after the regime change, Israel has nothing in common with that, either before or after.
      Veiled threats are well detected just as much.

      • EvaSmagacz

        So how do you propose to square the circle between permanent different laws for Jews and non-Jews beyond green line and preventing apartheid in Occupied Palestinian Territories?
        Just calling apartheid lauder and lauder "Not-Apartheid" is not going to make it so.
        Or do you applaud the policy in Jordan Valley, where native Palestinians are pushed out from the land to more and more crowded bantustans, sorry ghettos, sorry call it whatever: involuntarily gated communities? Or do you think forced population expulsion is a right way to go?
        What is your solution?

        • SHmuel HaLevi

          Madam. Your language is pure cliche devoid of any reference to reality.
          There is NO PALESTINEAN people, nor PALESTINEAN TERRITORIES.
          Yehuda & Shomron are the original names for our land madam. The fact that anti-Semitic foreign powers changed that means absolutely nothing. Enemies of the state of Israel shall be invited to return to their original lands which are Sudan, Syria, Egypt, etc.
          I do not advocate population expulsion. That is the province of the European bestial entities that effected the Holocaust. And repeated it against the Armenians and not long ago in the Balkans.
          And a bit before that during the Spanish Expulsion of 1492 and subsequent Inquisition and Autos de Fe. Not to mention the millions of Africans those animals from Europe massacred over the centuries or sold as slaves to the US and Brazil.
          Or during the Hebron slaughter of 29.
          The apartheid slang may fit the feverish minds of the users but has no connection to fact in Eretz Israel.
          Could you tell who was the President or PM of that purported people before Arafat?
          Capital? (Jerusalem is JEWISH since thousands of years before Islam was aborted).
          National flag before that?
          Parliament House.
          Currency?

          Those hybrids have one choice. You and them know it.

          • Eva Smagacz

            "Those hybrids" – are you calling Palestinians half-casts/mongrels ? That is racist.
            You say they have one choice: What is that one choice they have? What if they don't like the choice?
            How will you prevent permanent the system with different laws for Jews and non-Jews?

          • SHmuel HaLevi

            Apparently being in the minus is irrelevant to so let me help you sink farther.
            That element daily call Jews sons of dogs and monkey and pigs. Plus just as much, murder our children and families in their sleep. Calling that scum hybrids is an upgrade from what they are.
            Those bestial entities just sent one of theirs to again do what they usually do against unarmed Jews. Murdering in cold blood three family members and other Jews in France. Hours ago.
            You see Eva. Since I am a former soldier I would not for a moment hesitate wiping out the entire clan from where that beast hails from. Not one left standing.

            I will not waste one second talking about two LAWS. JEWS follow only one Law and is that written in the Bible. Some Basic Laws related to that set of laws are also enacted.
            There may be regulations used by the military but those are not laws.
            The Israeli Supreme Court includes a Moslem Judge and dispenses equal JUSTICE to all.
            Pray tell us all in which islamic country there are Jewish Judges or Synagogues or schools or Jews with equal rights to those of Moslems?

            Eva as we say .. gey shlofen.

          • Stephen_Brady

            Excellent responses, sir! I must say that I enjoyed your destruction of Eva's arguments very much!

          • Choi

            Calling people "racist" for supporting Israel shows what a" Dziwka" you are,Eva.

          • aspacia

            They can be absorbed into the vast Muslim majority states. Petition the UN to pressure these states to do so.

          • aspacia

            BRAVO Shmuel!

            A descendent of a Limey too. I know what they did both good and bad during their empire days.

        • Choi

          Nobody told the Arabs to stay and keep fighting Israel's EXISTENCE.
          The Jordan River is Israel's Eastern Defense 'line"
          The West Bank Arabs can go to Palestinian MAJORITY Jordan ANYTIME .
          Q:Where have the Arab/Muslim World been on absorbing heir "brothers" who are ONLY VICTIMS OF THEMSELVES and the Arab/Muslim World?
          A: Keeping the "palestinian" Arabs exactly where they are,as a WEAPON AGAINST ISRAEL

        • aspacia

          SA apartheid disallowed Blacks from voting, holding office, often from working, etc. Israel allows equality of all faiths, genders and does not hang gays like Muslim majority lands do.

          The pseudo new people you call Palestinian are sorely discriminated against by their brethren who discriminate against them in jobs, land, housing, education, etc. It is the vast Arab world that is to blame for their brethren's plight as they are the perpetrators.

          Remember 650,000 Jews were driven from the vast Middle-East without compensation, and they were absorbed by Israel. Time for Muslims to do the same for their brethren.

      • montlasky

        How do you convince the non-Jewish world that there is no such thing as a Palestinian people, that the Muslim Brotherhood is extemely well entrenched world wide and doing it's dirty work on the campuses of this world and elsewhere, in the open, How do we overcome the Jewish enablers of anti Semitism? The worst enemy we have is the Jewish anti Semite of which university campuses have in abundance. How do we silence the filth put out by the Gilad Atzmon's of this world? When the Jewish collective brain sits down and works out a formula for fixing this situation perhaps this collective "brain" will overcome the anti Semites of thsi world

        • aspacia

          montlasky, many who are not religious support Israel because they have a sense of Justice, rights, and the facts.

    • Grantmann

      So, what have the Palestinians ever done to bring about a two-state solution?

      • Eva Smagacz

        Doesn't matter what Palestinians done or not done: they are the ones who are subject to discriminatory laws by Israel – which is occupying power. It is Israel's job to offer them the solution to their liking or become apartheid (whether different laws in Occupied Territories are identical to South Africa is irrelevant – there are different laws based on fact if subject is Jew or non-Jew).
        What is your solution? We all hear about the problem ad nauseum.

        • kentatwater

          Ah, the old apartheid trope. Non-Jews living in Israel are subject to the same civil law as Jews. Israeli Jews are taught by Arab professors, treated by Arab doctors, and subject to laws drafted with the participation of Arab legislators.

          A truthful, sober description of the life of the Israeli Arab, to an apolitical black who lived under apartheid, would not recognize it as such. It'd probably sound like a dream come true.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          Are you for a two state solution for the copts in Egypt too?

          They deserve their own land much more than the arab invaders from the 9th century.

          • ★FALCON★

            These bigots are for a one state solution – Jews and Christians out. Not only is there a revolution on the horizon in America – but a world wide Muslim v. Jew / Christian battle for all of eternity.

            We're gonna be quite busy.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I hope we have time to get Obama and his muslim heritage out of the White house before the fighting starts.

          • ★FALCON★

            He's instigating it from high atop his perch at the Mengele Institute.

        • Zionista

          Israel turned over gaza to the arabs – they turned it into a cesspool from which to lob their rockets – case closed eva

        • aspacia

          Eva, they have rejected every single offer. You are a fool to think they will befriend you an infidel.
          In 1959, the Arab League resolution 1547 confirmed earlier resolutions calling on Arab countries to treat Palestinian Arabs well – but recommends that they “retain their Palestinian nationality.” Meaning that Palestinian Arabs should not be allowed to obtain citizenship in their host countries.

          The solution is to pressure the vast Muslim states to absorb their brethren and quit discriminating against their people: "Arab discrimination against Palestinians: How to fix it
          Today is the Arab Mothers' Day.

          To commemorate the occasion, hundreds of Egyptian mothers who are married to Palestinian Arab men are demonstrating in Tahrir Square to give Egyptian citizenship to their children.

          An Egyptian law passed in 2004 allowed Egyptian mothers to pass their citizenship to their children with foreign spouses – except Palestinians.

          The reason given is the usual excuse. As Al Ahram wrote when discussing the law in 2006:

          Also, children of Palestinian fathers are not eligible for Egyptian citizenship. While this seems unfair, asserted Diaaeddin, it is in accordance with Arab League Decree 1547 for 1959. The decree calls for the preservation of the Palestinian identity as an integral part of the Palestinian cause, and prevents it from assimilating into the identity of the host country." http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2011/03/arab-dishttp://www.dailystar.com.lb/Opinion/Commentary/20http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Arhttp://www.algemeiner.com/2012/02/24/the-anti-pal

        • aspacia

          Eva,

          The Arab/Muslims initiated the violence against Zionist long before 1948 and on land Jews legally purchased. These facts, and many others are relevant.

    • kentatwater

      Like in any negotiations, if you offer is close enough to what your opposite side wants, they will go for it.

      Nonsense. The PLO has always negotiated in bad faith. To even call what they do "negotiation" is an abuse of the word.

      Yasir Arafat and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak met with President Bill Clinton at Camp David in 2000. Barak offered 98% of what the PLO said it wan't, including partition of Jerusalem, and Arafat flipped everyone the bird in the end.

      • Eva Smagacz

        Than it means that 98% (and we only have Israeli side's claim it was 98 of PLO wanted) is not enough, or it did not include deal makers (or had deal breakers in it). Maybe getting the deal is giving PLO 100%.

        • kentatwater

          Maybe getting the deal is giving PLO 100%.

          That is not negotiation. That is surrender. Thank you for helping to illustrate what the enemies of Israel really want.

        • reader

          Another proof of the real goal of the islamonaziism disguised in the victimhood sheep cloth. It's not about phony palestinian people at all. It's about making the former caliphate judenrein.

        • johnnywoods

          Eva, When were you born? If you were over 20 years old you should be old enough to remember those negotiations. Or maybe you are just blinded by your antisemitism.

    • kentatwater

      Hey Eva, why did you stop posting from your IntenseDebate account?

    • Choi

      And this comes from someone of "Eastern European "background, whose own ancestors likely helped the Nazis KILL the Jews,TURNED OVER their Jewish Neighbors,and likely STOLE their Jewish neighbors property.
      In Poland, Jew-Hating Poles pointed Jews out to the SS and Gestapo with the simple statement ,"DAS JUDE".
      So Eva Smagacz,,the question "WHAT did your Grandfather or his father DO IN THE WAR?" is relevant.
      You're likely a born and raised Jew-Hater from a long ancestry of Jew-Haters.

      • Christian West

        You are an idiot, choi. A hating idiot, may I add.
        The question is only if it is your idiocy that makes you a hater, or your hate that makes you an idiot. Well, who cares…
        While it is obvious that ms. EvaSmagacz is deeply deluded, her hate, if she harbours one, is not exactly evident. Neither is here any evidence of her grandfather being a Jew hater. You are raving and ranting in a most vulgar uncivilized and embarrassing way trying desperately to offend and insult by belching out crude, clumsy epithets. How pathetic.

        BTW, if there is enough sense in you please, do visit the Yad Va Shem museum in Jerusalem. Strangely, the Poles, not for example Danes like myself; are the most represented among the Righteous Gentiles who at the risk of death hid the Jews and who in so many cases were shot on the spot by the Nazis for doing so. So how do you square the testimony of the Yad VaShem with the "truths" you are so busy poisoning the blog with. Hate is making you blind, but I suspect your congenital stupidity plays not a small role to see that in ANY nation, ALSO JEWISH, there will be those who behave despicably.
        Look at Chomskys and his ilk and the revolting sight of thousands of Jewish leftists on American campuses siding with their moslem haters against Israel. What a revolting sight! Well, perhaps you see it, but prefer not to mention it. Which makes you a liar.

        • Susan

          You will never, never destroy Jews! Your hate will distroy you!

      • johnnywoods

        And did he know George Schwartz/Sorros?

    • Susan

      You are a so uneducated! Israel hase given up so much land. Golan Heights was given up and guess what, dummy rockets are poring into israel. Do research dummy and than speak!

    • aspacia

      EvaSmagacz, you need a history lesson, and read some fact before I cut you a new @$$hole, and reveal how ignorant you really are!

      The two-state solution is nothing more than a tactical stepping stone to eradicate Israel: "“The settlement should be based upon the borders of June 4, 1967. When we say that the settlement should be based upon these borders, President [Abbas] understands — we understand — and everybody knows — that the greater goal [the destruction of Israel] cannot be accomplished in one go. If Israel withdraws from Jerusalem, evacuates the 650,000 settlers, and dismantles the wall – what will become of Israel? It will come to an end! If we say that we want to wipe Israel out…It’s not [acceptable] policy to say so. Don’t say these things to the world. Keep it to yourself.”

      Here is the whole link: http://www.thejerusalemconnection.us/blog/2011/10

  • char

    Kudos to you Mr. Horowitz, I loved your bio and wish my family would read it (sigh). It seems many people in the world are under a strong and powerful delusion, where good is evil an evil good. Keep the Faith.

  • Anthony

    All the logical articles written in the world explaining he truth Israel’s predicament will not penetrate the minds of those who accept and relate to the “plight”, a manufactured non-humanatarian crisis of “Darfur” proportions, that exists for a single purpose, to massacre Jews, to steal Israel and confiscate its property as Moslem war booty .

    Then the army of Islam can do the same in Europe, then the states.

  • Mindy Portmann

    I engaged student members of the Muslim Student Assoc. on the campus of the U. of Wisconsin-Milwaukee in conversation. They denied any involvment with the Muslim Brotherhood. They denied many former leaders of their organization went on to serve al-Qaeda. They denied Arabs serve in the Israeli parliment.
    They denied reality and are nothing but a hate group.

    • kafir4life

      It's just because they are muslim, and that's what they are taught. They're not capable of rational independent thought. That's one reason why they get along so well with liberals.

      • Eva Smagacz

        "It's just because they are muslim, and that's what they are taught. They're not capable of rational independent thought."

        That is pure racism.

        • kentatwater

          Would that be the Arab muslims, or the Persian muslims? Or the perhaps black muslims? White muslims? Take-your-pick-of-Asian muslims?

          Racist. Yeah right. Pull the other one.

        • davarino

          "you cant deal with the truth"

        • Christian West

          Ms. Smagacz.
          Is islam a race?
          If so, then judging from the historical evidence, it must be closely related to the race of fascism and communism. I detest Islam for exactly the same reasons I detest these two "races". If this is what makes me a racist then I really don't care being one.

          • Christian West

            I meant to say "I don't mind being one" – not "I don't care being one".
            Sorry.

        • cjk

          EXACTLY what race is Mohammedanism? Your comment is PURE STUPIDITY SCHMUCK

        • Really?

          Which race are they being racist against? Last time I checked Islam was not a race.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It's easier to type 'racist' than 'islamaphobe'.

        • Not Ovenready

          Why are you denying reality?

  • oldtimer

    Crowd followers, need to fit in. Sad. They follow the Pied Piper.

  • David

    How can you engage with people who refuse reality and hate truth? What I do know is this. The day that the Lord Jesus Christ the King of Israel will open up the eyes of his people and turn their hearts is very near, and those enemies of the Jewish people including so called Jews do well to consider these words of the Lord that will be fulfilled in due time. I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

    • Jerome

      Up your, you pagan Doofus David

  • Steve Chavez

    How many students walked out of AHMADINEJAD'S speech at Columbia? No "Mic checks," shouting, chanting or any disruptions except when Ahmadinejad said there were no gays in Iran. This man could be responsible for starting WW III and who is the leader of the world's ISRAELOPHOBIA movement taking over our universities.

    Louis Farrakkan was at Berkeley last week and got a standing ovation! Any "Mic checks?"

    David Horowitz comes to campus and all he!! breaks loose?

    • Choi

      .Which illustrates the INSANE ROT of Academia.

    • susan

      Jesus was a JEW, died a JEW. You bow to Christ's feet a JEW! You drink wine at the alter as in Christ's blood so you drink JEWISH BLOOD!

  • montlasky

    How do you convince the non-Jewish world that there is no such thing as a Palestinian people, that the Muslim Brotherhood is extemely well entrenched world wide and doing it's dirty work on the campuses of this world and elsewhere, in the open, How do we overcome the Jewish enablers of anti Semitism? The worst enemy we have is the Jewish anti Semite of which university campuses have in abundance. How do we silence the filth put out by the Gilad Atzmon's of this world? When the Jewish collective brain sits down and works out a formula for fixing this situation perhaps this collective "brain" will overcome the anti Semites of this world. David Horovitz and his team of journalists who write for the Freedom center on a regular basis are doing a great service but are a drop in the ocean of predjudice. We need a Jewish Aljazeera,BBC, CBS et al to come to light as a "white Knight" for the dissemination of the truth. We need something and we need it fast!

  • WilliamJamesWard

    Does it occur to Josh Orol that he can walk around Israel in safety except for Palestinian assassains and
    missiles. If Josh was to walk around the West Bank he would die a painful and disgusting death before
    he could expound on the fact that he is a Kill the Jews enabler. Leftists on campus see Jews who do not
    drink the cool aid as enemies who they also would kill if able to, I have no doubt about that. Jewish
    students who are taken in by MSA should have been preped for the false friendship waiting for them
    on Campus and I blame their parents and Rabbis for the problem.

    The Muslims should not be in America in the first place, they are here to spread lies and hate against
    as in their own words "The Great Satin America" which includes "The Little Satan Israel". The MSA
    and their dupes use Great and Little Lies to gain what they think is success which they fail to tell
    the duped Jewish students is their and all Jewish or American heads on a chopping block, literally.
    America will know no peace until it recognizes these evil people from Islam have no place here,
    they are no good no matter where they are, they are murder and mayhem looking for victims.
    William

    • Scott

      Well thank goodness America is a great satin. Sounds nice and soft.

  • Elliott Alhadeff

    Unfortunately, the problem speaks of the solution. David Horowitz speaks with a single voice. It is a voice troubled with the conflict of truth against that of political correctness. There are others, many, many others who share his vision but not his courage. The Muslim Brotherhood and the Muslim Student's Association have strengthened their voices with other like-minded organizations of local and national stature, Unfortunately, David Horowitz' efforts have not been so rewarded and that reality exposes the shameful state of our own political organizations – I name specifically the Republican and the Democrat Parties who have remained cowardly silent in the face of these exposed threats to our own nation as well as that of the State of Israel.

    • Choi

      Actually,Elliott,the Democratic Party of 2012 is a THREAT to our nation.

  • ASG

    Well too bad for the Hillel Chapter at the college I graduated from, they will never get another donation from until they denounce the UNC chapter, have it removed from the National Charter, and denounce the likes of alleged Jews like Josh Orol who in my opinion is worse than the MSA and is an embarrassment to all Jews. Worse of course is Ari Gauss, whom I am guessing was the adult in this dialogue who should know better.

    • MethanP

      ASG; This is not just UNC. This is nationwide. Its been getting worse for a long time. It seems to me that Hillel is now, and for a long time been more interested in PC liberal causes than Jewish ones.

  • ASG

    These are the same type of Jew that would have willingly worked for Hitler in order to save their own worthless hydes. Absolutely shameful.

    • Bert

      These Jews might have been willing to work for Hitler but Hitler rejected them because he had his principles. However when Soviet leftist Jews volunteered to work for Stalin they were accepted. They were Stalin's willing storm troopers who infiltrated the Jewish community and reported any Jewish religious activity to the Communist secret police. The goal of these Jewish traitors was the eradication of Judaism in the old Soviet Union.

  • David R

    Just like in the Christian faith and according to the Bible, there are tares sown among the wheat…the wheat being the children of God and the tares are of the devil.
    These twisted traitors advance their social agendas thinking they will save the day by sucking up to the enemy; but in reality they are actually sharpening the enemies' knives to better slit their throats with.
    Blind fools who are a shame to their country and finally the whole world of Islam who sees them as exploitable stupid media munition they will eventually destroy in typical Islamic style anyways. At least if they stood for a real worthy cause they might have value, but this is so useless it's almost comical.
    Barnum coined it right…"there's a sucker born every minute." And blind suckers are the most gullible.

  • Nakba1948

    I applaud Jews of conscience who reject the disgraceful Zionist entity. When Israel is abolished, I hope that former Zionists will repudiate their racist ways and agree to live in harmony with their Muslim and Christian brothers in a single, democratic Palestine.

    • kentatwater

      You mean, like the nations surrounding Israel? Do you believe that muslims, whose holy book characterizes Jews as the spawn of apes and pigs, will ever consider Jews to be "brothers?" Will this democratic process allow a vote to reduce the jizya that their Christian and Jewish "brothers" will be made to pay?

      As to the conflation of Zionism with racism, I offer a response worthy of the assertion: BS.

      I applaud Jews of conscience…

      Heh, yeah. The nazis liked their kapos…for as long as they were useful.

    • Bartimaeus

      The Arabs had a real chance at peace and a “two state solution” back in 1947-48. Instead they chose the path of aggression and attempted annihilation of the Jews. This same spirit of aggression and annihilation continues to this day. Only the military strength of Israel has held it in check. Having rejected the path of real peace for over sixty years they think that deception will help them gain the advantage. The Arab/Islamic world is on a collision coarse with the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ. The more they press for the destruction of Israel the quicker they are signing their own death sentence. Chose life and peace now while there is time.

    • Zionista

      you're applauding JINOS – Jews in name only – they are useful idiots who have bought into the palestinian fake narrative and you know it – talking about "Christians brothers" (what a joke!) how's that Christian pastor in pakistan doing – you know the one who left islam and converted to Christianity. He was awarded with a death sentence. You're fooling nobody with your b.s. about Christian brothers. And forget about Israel being abolished – the arabs have tried that and Israel survived and will continue – too bad about Jew haters like you.

    • http://www.themadjewess.wordpress.com MAD JEWESS

      There is no 'palestine'

      “There is no such country [as Palestine]! ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria.”
      - Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, a local Arab leader, to the Peel Commission, 1937

      “It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria.”
      - Ahmed Shuqeiri, later the chairman of the PLO, to the UN Security Council

      “You do not represent Palestine as much as we do. Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian People, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria. Therefore it is we, the Syrian authorities, who are the true representatives of the Palestinian people.”
      - Syrian President Hafez Assad to PLO leader Yassir Arafat.

      “There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity…. yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel.”
      - Zuheir Muhsin, late Military Department head of the PLO and member of its Executive Council (Dutch daily Trouw, March 1977)

      “Since 1948 Arab leaders have approached the Palestine problem in an irresponsible manner…. they have used the Palestine people for selfish political purposes. This is ridiculous and, I could say, even criminal.”
      - King Hussein of Jordan, 1960

      STOP undermining your Muslim, Arab Leaders.

    • Ghostwriter

      I doubt that that's what the Muslim world wants. It wants Israel gone. And it seems,so do you. To those like you,the only good Jew is a DEAD Jew.

    • Delores Kaufman

      Pervert!

    • Ariella

      You can't live in 'peace and harmony' when you're dead. Which is exactly what Israel's neighbors want – dead Jews.

      And if you're such a big supporter of the Phakestinians, why aren't you in Gaza serving as a human shield? You're just another cowardly hypocrite.

  • BS77

    Remember that a large fraction of the general public are ignorant, easily manipulated, poorly educated …..who run in mobs of fellow fools and losers. College kids are no exception.

  • maturin20

    Kudos to Hillel House for taking a definitive stand against the racist roadshow. It is good to know that the old methods of taking out a belligerent full page advertisement in a tiny school paper and giving it the color of law and journalism no longer has the corrosive effect on ideas, nor does it garner the same windfall of positive publicity that it used to even ten years ago. It is also good to know that in this enlightened post-religious era, megalomaniacs cannot make Jews act as a monolithic community on command. Islam is on the chopping block now, but thankfully, Judaism is having a head start to irrelevance, and Catholicism is dead.

    • kentatwater

      What racist road show?

      • maturin20

        The Freedom Center fundraiser tour.

        • kentatwater

          Ah. I see. Well since everything in your post is predicated upon a misrepresentation of Freedom Center, the rest is equally meaningless.

          That said, I must say I do find this bit amusing:

          …megalomaniacs cannot make Jews act as a monolithic community…

          It has been said that if you want three opinions, ask two Israelis. No one has ever been able to make Jews act like a "monolithic community," even when the megalomaniacs in question seek to wipe the Jews out, sadly.

          • maturin20

            I don't think it's a misrepresentation. The organization, like a vampire, courts an invitation and then once invited in, it comes and goes with impunity, sucking the money and the vitality out of the organization. It runs a giant FBI style hit list as an advertisement, vilifies Muslims and the universities that harbor them and then runs an old-school shakedown against the board of directors, student body, and Jewish organizations. When it is rebuffed, it weeps loudly and bitterly in its own press.

          • kentatwater

            The organization, like a vampire, courts an invitation and then once invited in, it comes and goes with impunity, sucking the money and the vitality out of the organization.

            Further misrepresentation, and even then…not racist.

            It runs a giant FBI style hit list as an advertisement…

            A list, in other words. Not racist.

            …vilifies Muslims and the universities that harbor them…

            Meeting lies with truth is "vilification?" Odd use of the word. Muslims aren't a race, btw…so not racist.

            runs an old-school shakedown against the board of directors, student body, and Jewish organizations

            What is your definition of "shakedown," and how does it apply in this context? Oh, and not racist.

            When it is rebuffed, it weeps loudly and bitterly in its own press.

            Where are the tears?

            (And though by this point it should be rather obvious to all readers, except for Eva and Nakba… not racist.)

          • maturin20

            All fluffery aside, some Jews are racist against Muslims/Arabs/Brown people who look just like them but a little more jaundiced. This racism is plain old tribal primate hatred, but it likes to dress in a mortarboard on some days, phylacteries on other days, a press pass on other days. Ultimately, as the more honest and brave founders of Israel were able to say, Israelis simply want Arab land. They want land which has another people on it already, so, they have to take take it, violently. There is no way to dress this up so that it looks like civil rights or moral apologetics. It simply is what it is, Jews stealing from Arabs, and then raising a wail when they get hit by a rocket. I accept it for what it is, why can't you? The Freedom Center racist college tour is simply Jewish primate racism wearing a mortarboard, spectacles, and wielding a pointer. If the Nation of Islam had the same savvy, they would do the same thing.

          • kentatwater

            All fluffery aside…

            You start with this, then proceed to reply with nothing but fluff? Funny, that.

            …some Jews are racist against Muslims/Arabs/Brown people who look just like them but a little more jaundiced…

            And? Your unfounded assertion that Freedom Center's creation was racist. Every population has racists in it. You should know.

            This racism is plain old tribal primate hatred, but it likes to dress in a mortarboard on some days, phylacteries on other days, a press pass on other days.

            Judaism and Islam came sometime after the primate phase (and don't try to pull a fast one, and now claim humans are primates; your use of the term denotes a genetic and basic hatred).

            Ultimately, as the more honest and brave founders of Israel were able to say, Israelis simply want Arab land. They want land which has another people on it already, so, they have to take take it, violently.

            A gross misrepresentation of Israel's history…which still does nothing to further your assertion that Freedom Center's activities are racist.

            It simply is what it is, Jews stealing from Arabs, and then raising a wail when they get hit by a rocket.

            Hardly. The Gaza strip, which was territory legitimately acquired in a war of aggression against Israel, was foolishly made into a quasi-state under Muslim control. The generous infrastructure left behind was gutted, and now Gaza is used as a staging ground for more attacks on Israel.

            The Freedom Center racist college tour is simply Jewish primate racism wearing a mortarboard, spectacles, and wielding a pointer.

            Again, you provide no evidence of this, irrelevant references to attire and pointers (is this a mocking reference to the yad, btw?).

            If the Nation of Islam had the same savvy, they would do the same thing.

            The NoI would never do the same thing, because they are a racist organization. They do engage in campus visits, where they indulge in anti-white racism and antisemitism. Nice try at conflation, though.

            The root of all this, is your apparent rhetorical need to justify your own racial hatred and bigotry. I'm sure it's much easier to self-actualize, when you tell yourself your genes made you do it.

          • maturin20

            Sometimes simple primate racism of the Jewish variety takes the form of "scholarly debate." Sometimes it dresses as a lawyer. You are exercising poor economy. You have already started doing the italics and line item veto thing. Trying to reduce the issue to tweets? Is it your goal to present your rebuttals in a manner that has the appearance of formal refutation? I'll say it again. These little traveling banner and wall shows are simply pig racist publicity stunts. They garner money into this 5 million dollar a year harassment organization. That's all it is, money grubbing pig racism.

          • kentatwater

            Repeating the same tropes over and over, such as you do, with a little more rhetorical flair than the average troll, is a prime example of a lack of verbal economy.

            I'm sure my method rubs you the wrong way. I use it because it lays bare how your florid verbiage does nothing to support your initial thesis.

            Is it your goal to present your rebuttals in a manner that has the appearance of formal refutation?

            No, not the appearance of.

            These little traveling banner and wall shows are simply pig racist publicity stunts. (emphasis mine)

            Ah. You've been goaded into blatant ad hominem now. Excellent. Show your true colors.

            That's all it is, money grubbing pig racism. (emphasis mine)

            Excellent! Money grubbing Jews! Please, keep it coming!

          • maturin20

            This is the part of the debate where the male attempts to fluff his rebuttals into much more spacious sentences which stand on end, giving the appearance of a larger opponent. He may also use brightly colored markings of boldface as signs of warpaint.

          • kentatwater

            I suppose it's not just some Muslims who believe Jews are descended from apes and pigs.

            Lol.

          • maturin20

            When you "lol" is it out of mirth? I have found that a lot of people use the term "lol" when they know they are full of crap and want to say something they can revoke commitment to later.

            We are all primates, but sometimes when people want to be racist, their arm hair sprouts out. You can almost see their nose turning up into a bazooka or walnut shape and see them banging on their leathery black pectorals.

          • kentatwater

            I'm sure you get laughed at a lot…both online and off. Go ahead and imagine it means something other than amusement at your drivel.

            Actually, it does mean something more, in this case. You have so much invested in your regimented set of beliefs, even when I explicitly anticipated your switcharoo WRT the word "primate," you can't help but do it, anyway.

            Perhaps you are a creature purely of instinct, but don't project that on to others, just as you project your deep-seated racism onto the acts and motivations of others.

          • maturin20

            There was something other than visceral racism that compelled you to run your ripsaw when you saw one of your compatriot spades called a spade?

            It's a conscious decision to use the word "primate." This racism is very "ooh ohh' and "aah ahh" and I can see the hopping up and down and the fingers scratching the the armpits. I can see the Jew recognizing other Jew as same and flinging poo and screeching all because I pointed out that this particular one likes to fling poo at ones that look different than himself, but look the same to me.

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            because comparing Jews to monkeys isn't racist at all!

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            (And yes, that's sarcasm)

          • kentatwater

            There was something other than visceral racism that compelled you to run your ripsaw when you saw one of your compatriot spades called a spade?

            Actually, I usually leave the crosscut blade in my table saw. Lazy, I know…

            How about you provide a link? I have no idea what you're talking about.

            As to the rest…do you even realize how deranged you sound?

          • maturin20

            I don't link people to their own material. It's silly.

          • kentatwater

            Silly? How is it silly?

            Claiming someone said something, then being unable or unwilling to demonstrate it…now that's silly!

          • maturin20

            It's not silly if you are not a sophist and don't care what the audience thinks. Reminding people who they are and providing links to their own feeds? Photosynthesis is much more effective.

          • kentatwater

            It's not silly if you are not a sophist and don't care what the audience thinks

            Well, that makes not sense. I guess when you're just making stuff up as you go along, you've no need for footnotes.

            Reminding people who they are and providing links to their own feeds?

            Perhaps you're thinking of a request made by someone else. I asked you to prove I said what you claim I said. You are unable or unwilling to do so. Noted.

            Photosynthesis is much more effective.

            More effective than what? More generally…what?!

          • maturin20

            Now I understand why you are begging me to link me you to your own statements. It's related to this 1998 style of reposting the other person's statements in italics. This gives me the mental image of a guy with a sword trying to fight a boar, but then he finds out that the boar is actually a heath. The wild swinging turns to running in crazy shapes on the ground.

            Photosynthesis is much more effective a means of providing growth energy to an organism THAN answering his questions like "who's your daddy now" and "show me where I said" in a forum.

          • kentatwater

            Now I understand why you are begging me to link me you to your own statements.

            Who's begging? I'm simply demonstrating how you have no argument, because you can't back up your assertions.

            (passing on the inert verbal filler)

            Oh look, there's nothing left.

          • maturin20

            Demonstrating is inherently antisemitic, as you should know. All demonstrators are unwashed and lazy slobs who harbor antisemitic beliefs.

          • kentatwater

            Sounds like it's right up your alley, then. So, what's your excuse for not demonstrating that I said what you claimed I said?

          • maturin20

            Simply that I dislike you.

          • kentatwater

            Aw. I was expecting hate. I'm a Jew, after all.

          • maturin20

            Of course you're a Jew. You love talking about it. I don't dislike you for being a Jew. I dislike you because you are a gnat.

          • kentatwater

            So, my summary of your worldview is correct: you view some people as sub-human.

          • maturin20

            No. I view some people as less than consequential. I was here having a perfectly fine conversation with David Horowitz, doing my part to reduce evil in the world and you had to take us on a sidebar.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Come on, just admit it and stand by your position with pride. Why all the side steps?

          • kentatwater

            A conversation with David Horowitz? Really? Gotta link?

            Har.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, actually it's not.
            The tea party demonstrators were anything but the way you describe it.

          • maturin20

            The tea party demonstrators were an obese bloc of trinket hawkers in a bazaar of tents. That's what I saw at their demonstration anyway. If Coyote Moon jewelers had been there too, it would have been indistinguishable from any concession day.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You confused that with the occupy protests. We were there for a single day and didn't need tents. And we never leave trash behind.

          • maturin20

            There were big white folding tents. It was a Prepaid- Hooverville.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And were they all fighting zuccotti cough too?

            Oh, that's the occupy crowd.

          • maturin20

            It's going to be sheer comedy here if you try to say one populist movement is more civilized than the other populist movement.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger
          • maturin20

            Because of Scott Walker.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Because of snoopy.What an obscure comment. Was it supposed to actually mean anything?I've attended local tea party events and no trash was left behind.

          • maturin20

            Lots of intellectual trash was left behind.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you are trying to leave behind intellectual flatulence.

          • stern

            Kentatwater, full marks for trying, but there's really no point in debating maturin20 – who will never mature, no matter how old he gets it – nakba1948 and their like.

            They are blatant, unrepentant Jew haters. Nothing any of say will ever change the way they think and the way they post.

            But once again, kudos for trying.

          • kentatwater

            I appreciate to accolades, stern. Thank you.

            My motivation is not to convince their like. My motivation is to show to onlookers how hate-filled and devoid of reason these fools are. Some have enough cunning to realize the only winning move is not to play. Thankfully, a few like maturin20 can't help but jibber, in an effort to get the last word in. It doesn't matter to them if the last word is complete nonsense!

          • maturin20

            I agree, Kent. You would do well to take the advice of third Jewish person. There is no way I will ever "repent" for thinking racism is silly and backward. Best if you all draw a big line and fling poo in the same direction.

          • kentatwater

            So, you are an unrepentant racist, then.

            Well, we already knew that. Besides your ballistic coprophilia, got anything else?

          • maturin20

            Yes. I have a question. Are you really so ugly that Andrew Breitbart makes a better facemask for you?

          • kentatwater

            More ad hominem! I love it!

            Thanks for visiting my Twitter account. I'll leave it to others (particularly the ladies), who regard me a human being, and not a gnat, whether my visage compares favorably to Andrew's (zt"l).

          • maturin20

            You have a good home there. Short posts work better for you.

          • kentatwater

            I'll take your unsolicited advice for what it's worth.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You almost make me want to laugh.

            After all the stuff you said in this thread you're trying to cover for yourself and confuse the issues now.

            I should have expected it.

          • maturin20

            When you ask a simple question like:

            Why are bankers driving down the value of the dollar? or Who controls the price of gasoline? or Why should we go to war for Israel? or How can we stop our elections from being rigged? You can't get a clear answer there either. The issues become as confusing as the people in charge want them to be. I am not covering for myself. I am myself. I am just enjoying this party where some people want to rub other people out. I am of the opinion that they will break themselves in a Shakespearean ending. I am just trying to get to the end of the book.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Straw man arguments.

            It always ends up here when a political hack runs out of talking points.

          • maturin20

            The site itself is a giant scarecrow posted to frighten Muslims. Straw man arguments are appropriate.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            When you're a political hack and have run out of talking points.

          • aspacia

            immature,

            do you even know what a Sophist was?

          • aspacia

            immature,

            Many Jews are black like Sammy Davis Junior.

          • maturin20

            Thanks for the tip. I don't think anybody said that Black Jews don't exist.

          • http://www.themadjewess.wordpress.com MAD JEWESS

            You are talking about Media Matters and are on the wrong blog.
            Clearly delusional.

          • maturin20

            How's the bladder?

          • aspacia

            immature, your language: "vampire, impunity, sucking, hit list, vilify, shakedown," denote fallacious ad hominem attacks and are of no substance. Now, return to a time-out and continue sucking your pacifier.

          • maturin20

            Another vocabulary list will be provided next week. With any luck everyone here will be up to a fourth grade reading level by Tuesday.

    • aspacia

      There are more than a billion practicing Catholics, and several million practicing Jews, and Protestants, Buddhists, Hindus, etc. al.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        And not a single suicide bomb among them.

    • mah29001

      Once again NoLife20 ends up giving 100 sum comments. You really do have no life, do you NoLife20.

      • maturin20

        You seem to like the comments well enough. Before long your blog will be nothing but your reposts of my comments.

  • mrbean

    To Eva and all of those who support a two state solution. There is no moral equivalency between a relatively free Israel and the Muslim states proxy terrorists, the so-called Palestinians. it is a matter of record that Palestinians strap munitions on their own women and children and send them out on homicide-suicide missions to murder other innocent Jewish women and children in markets, restuarants, on school buses, and in their homes. The Palestinians in their own words and by their actions are committed to the genocide of the Jewish people therefore, have foreited their rights to even exist at all let alone be given a UN and USA sanctionrd terrorist state run by Iran via Hamas.

  • Edisa

    May God bless you for your efforts, David. May He open eyes to the facts and move attitudes toward what is good, and strengthen and protect you, David, as you serve the cause of freedom. Facts are stubborn things. Everyone needs facts.

  • mukenecca

    "pochwa" ??? How crude.

    Quite appropriate for someone who chooses moniker of chuj, oops – I mean Choi. Speaking of Freudian-conditioned choices…

    ess with a moniker like chuj, oops -I mean choi, fitting of someone who calls himself "chuj"

  • kentatwater

    Against whom is it racist, to take exception to the characterization of humans, as something less than human?

    • maturin20

      If you love Jews more than you love human beings, then you are a kind of a caveman, blowing on a ram's horn and bragging about your blood. You weren't defending humanity from the apes. You were defending apelike behavior for humans.

      • kentatwater

        Once again:

        Against whom is it racist, to take exception to the characterization of humans, as something less than human?

        You keep beating the rhetorical racist drum, but provide no evidence to back up the rhythm.

        • maturin20

          It is racist against all the non-Jews.

          • kentatwater

            Really. How does that work, exactly? Aren't we all human?

          • maturin20

            We are all human. That's what makes it so funny when someone goes strutting around in a status hat.

          • kentatwater

            What's a status hat?

          • maturin20

            Tall paper one if you're the Pope. Little coaster if you are a Jew. Big flat rectangular one if you are an intellectual. People tend to fight for status in their status hat here. Usually, it's "most oppressed" or "farthest right" or "best defender of Israel."

          • kentatwater

            The last time I wore a mortarboard, it was to celebrate my academic achievement. I'm an engineer, not an intellectual. I'm with Thomas Sowell in this regard: intellectuals talk a lot, and accomplish little.

            So go ahead and put on your mortarboard and twirl the tassel.

          • maturin20

            I'm going to need to stand up on the counter.

          • kentatwater

            I have no idea what that's supposed to mean…and I'm not sure I want to know.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            He thinks he should have the last word, and by having some bizarre obscure statement that no one knows how to challenge he gets it, usually.

          • maturin20

            If you knew what the last word was, you would prize it as much as I do.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Really?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The muslim prayer hat, or perhaps the top section of a burka perhaps?

          • maturin20

            Yep. All of them stupid.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Does that mean the one I wear when I'm working in the yard doesn't really keep the sun off my face?

            I'm shocked. Does the word 'elitist' come to mind often as you look down on the lesser mortals?

          • maturin20

            I try not to look down. It makes me regurgitate my ambrosia.

          • aspacia

            immature, it is you who is the dummy.

          • kentatwater

            I lord over people with my propeller beanie.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Cool, any tinfoil on it?

      • pagegl

        So, by implication Jews are less than human. Keep talking kiddo. Actually, keep shoveling.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Excuse me.
        "If you love Jews more than you love human beings.."

        Do you realize how racist and bigoted that was?
        Contrary to a lot of insulting talking points the last I heard, Jews were human beings.

        • kentatwater

          It thinks Jews are sub-human, and thinks Jews are racist, because Jews think Jews are human.

          We're uppity, in other words.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So, he's here to keep us in our place as infidels?

          • kentatwater

            Who knows. What is readily apparent, is its abiding bigotry, and the attempt to goad others into replying with bigotry.

            It would undoubtedly love for me to use the words goy or shiksa, for example. It would, in its "mind" reinforce its belief in the inherent racism of Jews.

  • pagegl

    There's a difference between using the word primate generically and using it while describing behavior of monkeys and apes and ascribing the second to a specific group of people. Kind of sound like you've been dipping into the Protocols of Zion a bit much.

    • maturin20

      You probably read that more than I have, and that's why a similarity stands out in your mind.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        You really are a caricature.

      • pagegl

        And you're the only one here who has been blathering on repeating its tenets.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Why not admit you just slipped up and exposed the racism you prefer to keep just under the surface?

    • maturin20

      I like to actually do the things I admit to first.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        But you have.

        "If you love Jews more than you love human beings, then you are a kind of a caveman, blowing on a ram's horn and bragging about your blood…"

        So, let me repeat myself.
        Why not admit you just slipped up and exposed the racism you prefer to keep just under the surface?

        • maturin20

          I stand by what I said. There is nothing racist about ridiculing tribalism. Or was I racist because I said "Jew" without stuttering and looking at my shoes?

  • joy52

    Go to the source: Wherever Hillel gets their funding and the origination of their guidelines. whoever tells the rabbis what to do, and the parents of these college kids. You need support from big contributors. You might win a few local battles, and that might bring some awareness, but the guidance is coming from the top. They have been fed this in their local synogogues as they grew up because it was PC.

  • neils60

    A noteworthy issue for Josh and Ari, and their fellow Kool-Aid consumers to think about. The Palestinian Arab leadership has made it crystal clear, that when they obtain a Palestinian state, ALL JEWS would be forbidden to reside there. Even those Jews, "Who won't stand for the vilification of Muslim", like Josh and Ari. Maybe I'm crazy, but this sound a lot like the vilification of all Jews to me.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Once more you're out of talking points and digging into the straw man arguments.

  • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

    Of course, you didn't say anything like "just like everyone else" before, and you"re ignoring of course the fact that muslims calls jews "apes and pigs" to demonize them, and promote genocidal hatred against them. You're being disingenuous.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      Again?

      • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

        ?

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          He's being disengenuous again?

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            I didn't say "again".

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I know.
            Let me start over. You said he was disinginuous, I asked 'again'? Because I don't see him as being disingenuous just here, or just once, but over and over again.

            And just when this story thread puts him straight then he goes to another story thread and starts all over again as if none of these comments effected him a bit.

          • http://www.dikaesha.pbwiki.com Foolster41

            ah.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Who would have thumbed you down for that?

            Are trolls going after you now too?

  • Alvaro

    Where does Arabs have more civic rights than anywhere else in the Middle East? Answer: Israel.
    Where does minorities in general have more civic rights? In Israel or in [insert whatever Muslim country you want]? Answer: Israel.

    Muslims are better off in this "horrible" "Apartheid state" than in any of their failed states in the Middle East, and the protection of minorities is better in Israel than in any Muslim country on the planet. This isn't even an opinion, it is plain facts that anyone can check if they want to.

    But this isn't enough to satisfy the crowd of haters. In their world, they require the impossible of the more "civilized" part, and require absolutely nothing of the "primitive" part, or as they call them, "oppressed". Funny how this obvious bigotry seems to be invisible to them.

    • M.L.

      This may be true but it's also irrelevant. The same could've been said of American blacks in the Jim Crow Old South or of Apartheid era South African blacks (they certainly had more civil rights and a higher standard of living than did blacks living in independent Black African nations). But that doesn't justify Jim Crow or Apartheid. The only comparison that counts here is whether Palestinians in Israel have the same civil rights as Jews, and it's clear they do not. You effectively concede as much by your strained attempt to rationalize Israeli apartheid.

  • MethanP

    I have never understood, nor can I explain this. But it's not new. When at college in the early 70's we ran "Student Struggle for Soviet Jewery" Most of the Jews on campus were not members of our Jewish Student Group. Only a handful were members of SSSJ. The non orthodox seem to have no Jewish identity. And of course Muslims get more. Everyone else is affraid of their violence. No one is affraid of us.

  • muchiboy

    I think it speaks well for Jews,and young people generally,(i.e.American,University students) that they should have such liberal opinions,unpopular as they may be in American society.Perhaps their only crime is that they are liberal opinions originating from a liberal mind ,liberal institution, liberal ideaology and liberal country.God Bless America and the Jewish (liberal) people. muchiboy

    P.S. In light of the recent shootings of French Paratroopers of N.African descent and Jewish school children ,apparently racist based shootings,we must appreciate that Jews,Blacks and Mulims face European and perhaps Western based and maybe Western biased discrimination.Attacks on the liberal mind and institutions does not serve these groups well,if indeed Antisemitism is embedded in our western society.

    • kentatwater

      Liberal means different things to different people. It certainly meant something different to our Founding Fathers.

      In your rhetorical context, the word "leftist" is far more appropriate in every case, except one.

      This is not a leftist country. Not yet, anyway.

  • richard sherman

    Just as Gertrude Stein created propaganda for Vichy, Josh Orol creates propaganda for Hamas and Hezbollah…There a very warm place in Hell for self-hating Jews like Stein and Idol.

  • Mina

    The 6 Million Jews in their homeland are under the genocide threat ever since the Nazi Mufti al-Husseini in the 1920s' (intiated the wave of Arab racism and Islamic bigotry) called to kill ANY Jews!
    The genocidal torch is continued by Arab immigrants' children, now (since the 1960s') conveniently called "Palestinians," and the oppressors of Tehran [meddling in just about every 'conflict' where radical Islamofascism is involved, ie, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Nigeria, etc.] who have no territorial "disputres" with Israel, and are actually anti-Arab, but know all too well how to Islamicize and rexploit the "Palestinians" who use brethern civilians [preferabley children] to make Israeli humane army look bad.
    Anti Israel bigots even dare to call the regime fighting for survival by outrageous names.

  • David

    Jews must not donate to UNC or any university that promotes this kind of hatred. Vote with your wallets.

  • Nakba6

    I hate all dem joos because I have such a tiny pecker

    • David R

      …and the brain to go with it

  • Sally

    Here is a workable two state solution! The Jews keep their one state, on both sides of the Jordan river. The Arabs give up 21 out of their 22 states. And then we are left with two states for two peoples. Simple!

  • NotaBene

    Wow David Horowitz really must hate Jews.

  • dave

    Big respect to David. If it wasn't for people like him, Robert Spencer, Ali Sina etc, I would still be an anti Israel leftie Jewish moron, now I'm just a regular Jewish moron! Seriously though, we need more people like David and indeed I have been inspired to get involved somehow, over here in the UK. It will be a hard battle, but I do think that attitudes are changing slowly here.
    A good place I like to 'work' is on the JVP (jewish voice for peace) facebook page. They are a self loathing bunch of idiots who need educating.

  • http://justplainron.blogspot.com Ronald Rothchild

    Horowitz has a tough row to hoe, and deserves respect for what he does, but I disagree with what seems to be one fundamental premise of his: that most moslems are good and normal and that savagery is an anomaly in islam. Horowitz flinches from reality, as do many people. There is a reason why islam attracts the most violent dregs of humanity, does a land-office business in recruiting (for example) at prisons and among gangs. It's because islam is a gang, all dressed up as a religion, which suits these people perfectly.

    An Arab in Arabia has good reason, whatever his personal feelings might be, for not leaving islam. If he does, his moslem neighbors will murder him, and other moslems will consider the murderers heroes. That's worth considering before taking the big step.

    But in the United States (for example), where nobody forces anybody to be anything at all, a moslem is at best an inactive but voluntary member of a global "murder incorporated". Hamas and the MSA are not fringe groups. They are the mainstream. I know it's difficult to shout out reality when even the slightest murmur of it provokes violence from the "religion of peace", but I do wish Horowitz would get real about the emperor's new clothes.

    • Suzanne

      I agree with you, Mr. Rothchild. I really am so grateful to Mr. David Horowitz for all his amazing work but I think you have a valid critism here. Immigrants from Muslim nations can choose to leave Islam once they get to America but they choose not to. So I can only deduct that they agree with Islamic religious tennets even though they may not be particularly active in the jihad.

  • M.L.

    Horowitz notes "The Turks are not Arabs, let alone Palestinians", but the fact that Israel today was part of the Turkish Empire for 400 years doesn't mean there weren't indigenous Arabs there – there were. He seems to be trying to create the impression that during the 400 years the Turks ruled the land that what would become Israel, there were no Arabs there, and that they just floated on sometime after the fall of the Turkish Empire and thus as foreign to the land as Zionist immigrants. This is sheer nonsense. The indigenous majority of the land was Arab during the entire period. Supporters of Israel are loathe to acknowledge the fact that a longstanding Arab population was displaced Jews from foreign lands. The arguments of Israel supporters would carry more weight with those such as myself who are open to arguments on both sides of the Israeli-Palestinian debacle if they would simply concede this fact and work from there. It doesn't morally delegitimize Israel to acknowledge this, but the constant denials and distortions of the facts about the displacement of Arabs in the creation of Israel do.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    How very closed minded of you.
    How blinded by hatred and bigotry of you.

    You are consistent wee wee.

    Always the small tiny little itty bitty man.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    And are you here to advocate violence against Christians again?

    24 minutes ago @ Breitbart.tv – Soldier Found Guilty i… · 1 reply · +1 points
    "The whole town needs locked in the church and the church set on fire. IMO "

  • macdaddy31

    Well said. But not only that. We are all malleable beings. If the thoughts of Horowitz and others were brought more into the mainstream, it would give those Muslims that are not already so hardened to the Islamist or anti-West mindset the push or direction needed to reject the foulest strains of Islam and join the 21st century where we all, for the most part, just wish to live in peace and strive towards a better future for all without dominion over others. That is, in my view, one of the main reasons why Obama has been such a terrible President. He has removed this direction that could be taken by some in the Muslim world and replaced it (or perhaps shifted the emphasis) with sympathy for the positions taken by those that do not wish to join the westernized world – and it is showing.