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		<title>By: The Golani Snowman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Golani Snowman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who is giving the atrocious orders to destroy the life and investments of Jews? It seems Netanyahu and Barak are hiding behind each other. Every time something like this happens, Jews attacking in the Israel-alloted area C, Let&#039;s hope Bennett gros real strong! Annex area C, let the 50000 arabs there choose like the Jerusalem arabs.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is giving the atrocious orders to destroy the life and investments of Jews? It seems Netanyahu and Barak are hiding behind each other. Every time something like this happens, Jews attacking in the Israel-alloted area C, Let&#039;s hope Bennett gros real strong! Annex area C, let the 50000 arabs there choose like the Jerusalem arabs.  </p>
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		<title>By: EarlyBird</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EarlyBird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 19:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, why doesn&#039;t Israel just come out and finally declare all disputed territories &quot;Israel&quot; proper, put up its flag, and give all of its inhabitants equal rights under Israeli law?  Because it wouldn&#039;t be your &quot;Jewish State&quot; with so many non-Jews, and would turn Israel into a de facto apartheid state, if it isn&#039;t one now.    
 
So why doesn&#039;t Israel simply wipe out all Arab squatters on Israel in Gaza and the West Bank?  Because it would require Jews to commit a holocaust (not to mention make Israel a worldwide pariah for generations), which certainly wouldn&#039;t comport with Jewish Law.   
 
What to do?  Probably in the mean time, however the land issue sorts out, help the Pals actually build a civil society and economy so they are not so in sway to the nut jobs.  Even if Israel finally absorbs those lands, you want the inhabitants to be functional.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, why doesn&#039;t Israel just come out and finally declare all disputed territories &quot;Israel&quot; proper, put up its flag, and give all of its inhabitants equal rights under Israeli law?  Because it wouldn&#039;t be your &quot;Jewish State&quot; with so many non-Jews, and would turn Israel into a de facto apartheid state, if it isn&#039;t one now.    </p>
<p>So why doesn&#039;t Israel simply wipe out all Arab squatters on Israel in Gaza and the West Bank?  Because it would require Jews to commit a holocaust (not to mention make Israel a worldwide pariah for generations), which certainly wouldn&#039;t comport with Jewish Law.   </p>
<p>What to do?  Probably in the mean time, however the land issue sorts out, help the Pals actually build a civil society and economy so they are not so in sway to the nut jobs.  Even if Israel finally absorbs those lands, you want the inhabitants to be functional.   </p>
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		<title>By: Parenthetical Phrase</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Parenthetical Phrase]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Orders to expel Jewish communities and hand over their property to their enemies&quot; -- sounds like the kind of thing the Nazis did. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Orders to expel Jewish communities and hand over their property to their enemies&quot; &#8212; sounds like the kind of thing the Nazis did. </p>
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		<title>By: ziontruth</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ziontruth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 23:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Rightly or wrongly, Sharon&#039;s decision to dismantle certain settlements in Gaza was an attempt to provide Israelis long-term peace,...&quot; 
 
Most Israeli Jews think its timing had to do with covering a nepotism scandal in which Sharon&#039;s sons took part. But it was wrong regardless. 
 
&quot;...not to collectively punish the settlers,...&quot; 
 
Jews in the Land of Israel aren&#039;t settlers. The Arabs are the settlers, and they must leave all the Jewish lands they&#039;re colonizing if there is to be just and viable peace in the region. 
 
&quot;...but it was hardly the type of atrocity that moral soldiers must refuse.&quot; 
 
It was an illegal order. Jewish Law says it is illegal to evict Jews from their homes anywhere in the Land of Israel. 
 
&quot;...command issued by the Knesset in good faith which they simply disagree with.&quot; 
 
It&#039;s not a matter of simple disagreement, it&#039;s a matter of complying with an order that goes against the entire purpose of the Jewish State&#8212;facilitating unlimited Jewish inhabitation of the Land of Israel. 
 
&quot;It&#039;s in essence calling for a military coup...&quot; 
 
No, it&#039;s making sure the leaders of the Jewish State don&#039;t stray from doing the duty of the Jewish State. 
 
&quot;...for the purpose of establishing Greater Israel.&quot; 
 
There is no &quot;Greater Israel,&quot; there is only the Smaller, Cut-Down Israel the anti-Zionists want to reduce Israel to, to the pre-1967 borders, ethnically cleansing the post-1967 territories of all Jews, so as to set the stage to the next stage of their anti-Jewish strategy, that of swamping the remaining Jewish State with Arab colonist &quot;returnees&quot; (a.k.a. multiculturalism and &quot;equal rights,&quot; just like in Western Europe). 
 
The anti-Zionists both Marxist and Muslims will not be satisfied with a state for the Jews in any form; therefore, any evacuation of Jewish territories is not only illegal according to Jewish Law, it is the height of folly, because it gives added incentive to the anti-Zionist effort. Arab settler-colonists out of the Land of Israel now! Outlaw Marxism now! Islam is imperialism, Marxism is treason! ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Rightly or wrongly, Sharon&#039;s decision to dismantle certain settlements in Gaza was an attempt to provide Israelis long-term peace,&#8230;&quot; </p>
<p>Most Israeli Jews think its timing had to do with covering a nepotism scandal in which Sharon&#039;s sons took part. But it was wrong regardless. </p>
<p>&quot;&#8230;not to collectively punish the settlers,&#8230;&quot; </p>
<p>Jews in the Land of Israel aren&#039;t settlers. The Arabs are the settlers, and they must leave all the Jewish lands they&#039;re colonizing if there is to be just and viable peace in the region. </p>
<p>&quot;&#8230;but it was hardly the type of atrocity that moral soldiers must refuse.&quot; </p>
<p>It was an illegal order. Jewish Law says it is illegal to evict Jews from their homes anywhere in the Land of Israel. </p>
<p>&quot;&#8230;command issued by the Knesset in good faith which they simply disagree with.&quot; </p>
<p>It&#039;s not a matter of simple disagreement, it&#039;s a matter of complying with an order that goes against the entire purpose of the Jewish State&mdash;facilitating unlimited Jewish inhabitation of the Land of Israel. </p>
<p>&quot;It&#039;s in essence calling for a military coup&#8230;&quot; </p>
<p>No, it&#039;s making sure the leaders of the Jewish State don&#039;t stray from doing the duty of the Jewish State. </p>
<p>&quot;&#8230;for the purpose of establishing Greater Israel.&quot; </p>
<p>There is no &quot;Greater Israel,&quot; there is only the Smaller, Cut-Down Israel the anti-Zionists want to reduce Israel to, to the pre-1967 borders, ethnically cleansing the post-1967 territories of all Jews, so as to set the stage to the next stage of their anti-Jewish strategy, that of swamping the remaining Jewish State with Arab colonist &quot;returnees&quot; (a.k.a. multiculturalism and &quot;equal rights,&quot; just like in Western Europe). </p>
<p>The anti-Zionists both Marxist and Muslims will not be satisfied with a state for the Jews in any form; therefore, any evacuation of Jewish territories is not only illegal according to Jewish Law, it is the height of folly, because it gives added incentive to the anti-Zionist effort. Arab settler-colonists out of the Land of Israel now! Outlaw Marxism now! Islam is imperialism, Marxism is treason! </p>
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		<title>By: Ghostwriter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ghostwriter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have no idea what the Israelis should do at this point. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea what the Israelis should do at this point. </p>
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		<title>By: EarlyBird</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EarlyBird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 19:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rightly or wrongly, Sharon&#039;s decision to dismantle certain settlements in Gaza was an attempt to provide Israelis long-term peace, not to collectively punish the settlers, commit massacre or other war crimes.  It must have been heart-breaking to evict settlers, but it was hardly the type of atrocity that moral soldiers must refuse.   
 
To suggest that IDF soldiers should have refused to carry out this specific command, therefore, is to suggest that IDF soldiers may refuse to carry out any command issued by the Knesset in good faith which they simply disagree with.  It&#039;s in essence calling for a military coup for the purpose of establishing Greater Israel.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rightly or wrongly, Sharon&#039;s decision to dismantle certain settlements in Gaza was an attempt to provide Israelis long-term peace, not to collectively punish the settlers, commit massacre or other war crimes.  It must have been heart-breaking to evict settlers, but it was hardly the type of atrocity that moral soldiers must refuse.   </p>
<p>To suggest that IDF soldiers should have refused to carry out this specific command, therefore, is to suggest that IDF soldiers may refuse to carry out any command issued by the Knesset in good faith which they simply disagree with.  It&#039;s in essence calling for a military coup for the purpose of establishing Greater Israel.   </p>
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		<title>By: Stephen_Brady</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen_Brady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 17:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The move from Gaza was the moment for a high-ranking officer to step forward, in front of the cameras, and to state his reasons for refusing to obey the order.  Make it a national issue, in which most of the people would support the Army, and not Sharon.  It could have even stopped the withdrawal. 
 
You cannot trade land for peace with the Muslims ... ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The move from Gaza was the moment for a high-ranking officer to step forward, in front of the cameras, and to state his reasons for refusing to obey the order.  Make it a national issue, in which most of the people would support the Army, and not Sharon.  It could have even stopped the withdrawal. </p>
<p>You cannot trade land for peace with the Muslims &#8230; </p>
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		<title>By: SHmuelHaLevi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SHmuelHaLevi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 15:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last week Mr. Bennett very much flushed the rabbit out of Mr. Natanyahu&#039;s hat.  As we expected, Mr. Netanyahu will not build, he will re start &quot;disengagement&quot; and more. 
If anyone has still any doubts, well... Nothing one can say will change that. 
Refusing orders at that point is a moral obligation, a must.  There is ample evidence of intent and the results from the Sharon disaster are just as much self evident. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last week Mr. Bennett very much flushed the rabbit out of Mr. Natanyahu&#039;s hat.  As we expected, Mr. Netanyahu will not build, he will re start &quot;disengagement&quot; and more.<br />
If anyone has still any doubts, well&#8230; Nothing one can say will change that.<br />
Refusing orders at that point is a moral obligation, a must.  There is ample evidence of intent and the results from the Sharon disaster are just as much self evident. </p>
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		<title>By: R.C.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R.C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I knew at the time Sharon was wrong--and everyone should have refused to act according to Sharon&#039;s orders--it would have saved innocent Jewish life! ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew at the time Sharon was wrong&#8211;and everyone should have refused to act according to Sharon&#039;s orders&#8211;it would have saved innocent Jewish life! </p>
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		<title>By: AdinaK</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AdinaK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is little doubt that  human and civil rights violations of  loyal citizens is beyond the pale. And when a Jewish leadership dictates orders, which any other leadership would be blasted for executing, what does it say about the so called legality of said orders, as well as that of the leadership? 
 
Besides, the following are the bitter fruits of &#039;disengagement&#039; - &lt;a href=&quot;http://honenu.org/articles/the-bitter-fruits-of-disengagement/..&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://honenu.org/articles/the-bitter-fruits-of-d...&lt;/a&gt;. 
 
And surely if not for said expulsion, then the following would not have borne fruit either - &lt;a href=&quot;http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/11/16/war-more-tel-aviv-in-the-cross-hairs-israels-leaders-up-in-arms-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/11/16/war-more-tel-...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
Adina Kutnicki, Israel - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.adinakutnicki.com/about/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.adinakutnicki.com/about/&lt;/a&gt; ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is little doubt that  human and civil rights violations of  loyal citizens is beyond the pale. And when a Jewish leadership dictates orders, which any other leadership would be blasted for executing, what does it say about the so called legality of said orders, as well as that of the leadership? </p>
<p>Besides, the following are the bitter fruits of &#039;disengagement&#039; &#8211; <a href="http://honenu.org/articles/the-bitter-fruits-of-disengagement/.." rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://honenu.org/articles/the-bitter-fruits-of-d" rel="nofollow">http://honenu.org/articles/the-bitter-fruits-of-d</a>&#8230;. </p>
<p>And surely if not for said expulsion, then the following would not have borne fruit either &#8211; <a href="http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/11/16/war-more-tel-aviv-in-the-cross-hairs-israels-leaders-up-in-arms-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/11/16/war-more-tel-" rel="nofollow">http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/11/16/war-more-tel-</a>&#8230; </p>
<p>Adina Kutnicki, Israel &#8211; <a href="http://www.adinakutnicki.com/about/" rel="nofollow">http://www.adinakutnicki.com/about/</a> </p>
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