Ron Paul’s Black Execution Claim Debunked

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In the Republican presidential candidates’ debate on Jan. 7, Congressman Ron Paul said: “I’m the only one up here … that understands true racism in this country is in the judicial system.”

He said this racism has to do with “enforcing the drug laws” and then added: “They (blacks) get the death penalty way disproportionately.”

Two groups immediately defended Paul — his supporters and commentators on the left. The former support anything Paul says, and the left supports anything that Paul says that portrays America as ugly (see, for example, the defense of Paul by left-wing USA Today columnist Dwayne Wickham, whose columns are regularly devoted to how much blacks suffer from American racism).

Just last month, Paul was asked by a representative of an organization (We Are Change) that holds the government responsible for 9/11, “Why won’t you come out about the truth about 9/11?”

Paul’s response: “Because I can’t handle the controversy. I have the IMF, the Federal Reserve to deal with, the IRS to deal with. Because I just have more — too many — things on my plate. Because I just have too much to do.” The interview is readily available on YouTube.

Whatever the implication of his cryptic response, when Paul is confronted by the mainstream media, he denies that he believes the American government was involved in the 9/11 attacks. But what is undeniable is that Paul, like much of the left, holds America largely responsible for 9/11 because of its foreign policy. That includes its “occupying” of countries all over the world; the sanctions on Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, which Paul and the left claim killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis; the injustices against Palestinians that America has supported (through its support of Israel); etc.

Paul mocks the idea that the primary reason for 9/11 was that people of great evil attacked a very good country — because this is what the evil do, just as they did on Dec. 7, 1941, when the Japanese regime attacked Pearl Harbor.

It does seem that the Texas congressman’s description of the American justice system as racist is part of Paul’s generally dark view of America.

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  • Stephen_Brady

    "According to the Death Penalty Information Center, an anti-death penalty organization, between 1976 and January 2012, 441 blacks (35 percent of the total) and 717 whites (55 percent of the total) were executed. Given that blacks committed more than half the murders during that time (52 percent versus 46 percent by whites), if we are to assess racial bias based on proportionality of murderers executed, the system is biased against whites, not blacks."

    Dennis, don't confront the Paulbots with actual facts. It makes them uncomfortable …

    • JohnB

      You are so selective in your metrics and your quoted message The fact sheet that you can find on the website actually states for example "A study in California found that those who killed whites were over 3 times more likely to be sentenced to death than those who killed blacks and over 4 times more likely than those who killed Latinos".

      Don't attack the facts with your back of the envelope calculations please to validate your opinion.

      • Stephen_Brady

        Are the DPIC's statistics right or wrong?

    • Lippy

      What percent of the population is black?

      • mrbean

        Blacks make up about 16% of the US population with 6% of the population being blacks between 14 and 40 who commit 67% of all the violent crime and 56% of all murders. See FBI stats

    • mike

      Do not listen to the MSM Ron Paul was not incorrect. The author forgot to mention that the race of the victim is the factor that determines who get the death penalty. For instance the DPIC website list that since 1976, cases where the victims were whites carried the death penalty 77% of the time whereas cases where the victims were blacks carried the death penalty only 15% of the time. Now, if you go to http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cf… you will find that 94% of blacks are killed by blacks and 86% of whites are killed by whites. Further you will find that 50.9% of all homicide victims are white vs. 46.9% who are black.

      Factoring that nearly 51% of all homicide involves whites and that 77% of all death penalty cases involved victims were white, who are killed by 86% of whites versus only 15% that are black you do the math and you will find that blacks receive the death penalty by a much higher rate than whites. Also notice on the DPIC site that of the 441 blacks executed more than half [254] of those were executed for killing whites.

      Don't let the MSM who hates Ron Paul fool you. This author did not do a proper investigation but was only seeking to besmirch Dr, Paul. However, Ron Paul supporters are the most informative and we are here to correct every attempt to stain his good name. We are tired of the Neo-cons and the "RTP" Liberals who are seeking to destroy this country pick a candidate for us. They try to paint Dr. Paul as racist but President Obama who claims to be the first African American President attacked Libya an African country. I never saw a European-American President attack Europe. How about that for loving Black people. Imagine if a white president had attack Africa the Liberals would have went nuts. Enough of this racial crap! Liberty knows no color! Ron Paul 2012!

      • RationalBro

        Haha. More importantly, Dennis doesn't believe in blowback? Thanks for digging deeper, Mike. I'm disappointed in Dennis. I thought he was a fairer guy than this. :-/

      • DWPittelli

        Yes, you have to look at the race of the victim as well as the perpetrator, as you did. But these gross numbers assume that the 4 categories of murder (White kills Black, White kills White, Black kills White, Black kills Black) are otherwise identical. They are not. Felony murder, the killing of a victim, generally by a stranger, in the course of some other crime, usually robbery, has long been more apt to get the death penalty than is the murder of a girlfriend or a drug competitor. There are a number of reasons for this, most not having to do with race. But at any rate, Blacks killing Whites are more likely to be engaged in Felony Murder, than are any of the 3 other Black/White possibilities. For this reason alone, crude statistics looking at only the 4 racial categories would be incapable of proving racial bias.

    • Joe Mama

      Well ok so that means one part of one thing he said was not statistically correct. So, first off, does that make his overall point invalid? Is there not an overall racial bias in the justice system? Second, does that somehow nullify all of the other things about Paul that cause us to support him? Am I supposed to go, "Oh crap, it's 52% to 46%. This changes everything. Suddenly I don't care if the country goes bankrupt. I'll vote for Goldman Sachs! "? That doesn't makes sense to me.

      • Stephen_Brady

        Joe, it absolutely does not negate everything else that makes you support the man. It merely shows that he was seriously in error about this one issue.

        Last night, I could find little to fault him on, primarily because he didn't go into foreign policy. Indeed, his first answer was perfect, from a conservative standpoint. If all Ron Paul was about was economics, I would support him. I am, after all, a member of the First Brigade of the Tea Party Patriots.

        However, the presidency isn't merely about economics, and his military and foreign policy ideas leave me cold towards him. If you want him to win, you might spread this among your fellow-supporters of Dr. Paul.

  • Nathaniel Ryan Hamrick

    What? Of course the system is sexist. Ha!

    Obviously people aren't hard on women like they are on men. At least publicly. They love the idea of chivalry, and look at women as weak/harmless.

    What's wrong with you?

  • Mike Truthlover

    Ron Paul compared poor Blacks to rich whites. So this whole article is one big straw man. Get your facts together.

    • mrbean

      Oh stuff it. You ar too stupid to even suspect you are stupid/

  • Paul T.

    Blacks make up less than 15% of drug users, more than 30% of people arrested for drug crimes and more than 60% of people who spend time in jail for drug crimes. Even if his analysis of the death penalty issue was wrong, his analysis of racism in the enforcement of drug laws was spot on.

    • DWPittelli

      Most people in jail for drug crimes aren't there merely as "users." They are there because they were selling drugs to people they didn't know well, often in public to total strangers. I submit to you that when you see people selling drugs on the street to strangers, it is the case far more often than 15% of the time that these drug sellers are Black. Groups that purport to be anti-racism or in favor of human rights know this, but they nevertheless continue to spout the meaningless statistics about Blacks not disproportionately being drug users. You have been bamboozled by these dishonest arguments. Do your own research and thinking. I happen to agree with Ron Paul that we would be better off, on the whole, with drugs like Cocaine being controlled more like alcohol, or perhaps Methadone, is today (and drugs like Penicillin being controlled like cocaine is today), but that doesn't make every statement or argument that might support such a position true.

    • http://visionsandprinciples.blogspot.com/ InRussetShadows

      You are so ignorant that it hurts. Start with the FBI crime stats for murder and go from there. There is something very very sick in the ghettos that breeds this kind of behavior. Have you lived in or near the hood? I have. When you see it up close and personal, you know that the cops don't catch everyone that's breaking the law, and due to their desire to not inordinately tick off the populace, they even go easy on the people they do find. That means that the crimes we're talking about here are EGREGIOUS and beyond a reasonable doubt, a lot of the time. Also, you failed to note that a lot of the cops patrolling the worst areas in America are black! I swear, stop being so ignorant!

  • Blonduxo

    Dennis you are so funny! I expected more of you and now respect you even less.

    • RationalBro

      Right? I just mentioned that above. During my neocon days, I took pride in listening to Prager and Medved, rather than the non-intellectuals. Now I have to watch C-SPAN videos on youtube posted by some weird troll-looking dude. Look what taking a red pill does to you!

  • http://www.contextflexed.com Flipside

    WHAT?!?! Frontpage is copying MotherJones?!?!

    http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2011/12/dont-be

    • http://visionsandprinciples.blogspot.com/ InRussetShadows

      I think you have won the stupidity award of the day.

  • Jason

    When I heard this live in the debate I thought Ron Paul had his statistics mixed up, hes usually pretty sharp on this topic. As a Ron Paul supporter I thought about this of course and what he really probably might have maybe meant was the disproportion of drug convictions as I have heard him mention before. I am not trying to stick up for RP's mistake because we all make them but I do think he just got his statistics mixed up with the question.

    • mike

      Do not listen to the MSM Ron Paul was not incorrect. The author forgot to mention that the race of the victim is the factor that determines who get the death penalty. For instance the DPIC website list that since 1976, cases where the victims were whites carried the death penalty 77% of the time whereas cases where the victims were blacks carried the death penalty only 15% of the time. Now, if you go to http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cf… you will find that 94% of blacks are killed by blacks and 86% of whites are killed by whites. Further you will find that 50.9% of all homicide victims are white vs. 46.9% who are black.

      Factoring that nearly 51% of all homicide involves whites and that 77% of all death penalty cases involved victims were white, who are killed by 86% of whites versus only 15% that are black you do the math and you will find that blacks receive the death penalty by a much higher rate than whites. Also notice on the DPIC site that of the 441 blacks executed more than half [254] of those were executed for killing whites.

      Don't let the MSM who hates Ron Paul fool you. This author did not do a proper investigation but was only seeking to besmirch Dr, Paul. However, Ron Paul supporters are the most informative and we are here to correct every attempt to stain his good name. We are tired of the Neo-cons and the "RTP" Liberals who are seeking to destroy this country pick a candidate for us. They try to paint Dr. Paul as racist but President Obama who claims to be the first African American President attacked Libya an African country. I never saw a European-American President attack Europe. How about that for loving Black people. Imagine if a white president had attack Africa the Liberals would have went nuts. Enough of this racial crap! Liberty knows no color! Ron Paul 2012!

  • spongebob2007

    A %20 minority is responsible for %52 of the murders in America, and nobody sees this as a big friggiin issue??? You think this is a coincidence, or perhaps you non-RP commentors think they are just bad people?!?! My thoughts, and Ron Pauls position, is that if somebody in the goverment actually gave a rats butt about the real problem (i.e. the people getting killed are likely to vote, and for who?) the issue would be investigated to see what the heck is going on!!

    • http://visionsandprinciples.blogspot.com/ InRussetShadows

      No, us non-RP supporters are interested in evidence. According to the FBI crime stats, that's the way it's been for years and years and years, which means its something besides some recent thing. Now, if you think that the judicial system itself is biased against blacks, then you have to figure out how it's possible that they were convicted of doing these crimes. Conviction results from a jury trial. So, what you're really arguing is that America is such an incredibly racist place that evidence is fabricated on a massive level to convict innocent black men of crimes they didn't commit. Frankly, that kind of enormous conspiracy would have made the ACLU, the NAACP, and a few other liberal outfits richer than their wildest dreams, due to all the discrimination lawsuits they would have won. That didn't happen. Why? Evidence doesn't lie.

    • PETER

      Blacks represent about 13% of the US population and 30% of the prison population. Black males are unemployed at about 35%. Some evidence suggests that all these negative facts got worse after the "War on Poverty" and Civil Rights act of the 1960s. Correlation does not prove causation, but it sure makes me curious.

  • Rob M

    I think you also have to take into account that whites males out number black males when it comes to the volume of serial killers and mass murderers which should be far more likely to be put to death.

    Consider a study from 1997 where 90 black serial killer where identified from 1945-2004 while 323 white serial killers were identified. Does that skew the numbers or add weight one way or another. I guess that is up to each person …

    • Questions

      Blacks are only one-eighth of all Americans. So proportionately, there are many more black serial killers.

    • Don Kosloff

      Those numbers are too small affect the disproportionate killing of whites by blacks.

  • mikey

    ron paul may have been wrong about his stats but it takes a lot of blind ignorance to ignore the targeting of blacks in this country by law enforcement.

    so because he got one fact wrong, your grilling the man? based on your other writings, you dont seem to disagree with any of the stupid things the other republican puppets on stage were saying.

    sounds like we have another tool of the establishment here.

    • http://visionsandprinciples.blogspot.com/ InRussetShadows

      Ron Paul is running for president, in case you hadn't noticed. The hurdles are a bit higher at this level than they are when you're simply representing a state. If you're surprised that he's under the gun, I question your intelligence and your wisdom. What did you expect? A free pass?

      Then again, you haven't mastered sentence construction. Did you have to write that one really quickly before mommy found out you were on the computer again?

  • 49reasons

    More claptrap from another one of these Israel firsters. Don't argue any issues of substance just get everyone chasing their tails with insignificant details. The day Americans stop letting political hacks like Prager subjugate them with all their left/right B.S. is the day we might get our country back! By the way, I'd love to hear what this clown has to say about WTC building 7 & U.S.S Liberty. Ron Paul 2012

    • PETER

      WTC bldg 7 truther makes you suspect. USS Liberty was a true tragedy and even I cannot figure out what really happened. Fratracide (friendley fire) happens in all wars and is part of the fog of war.
      The United States exists today because France was medling in British affairs. The founding fathers were hesitant about foreign (European) affairs because we were but a new and very weak (militarily) country. If you want friends, you have to be a friend. We live in the age of Pax Americana like it or not and if we withdraw there wil be a (momentary)vacuum. Something will fill that vacuum, I hope you like it.

      • 49reasons

        Hey Peter,
        You can say i'm suspect for not buying the "government approved" version on what happened on 9/11 all day long, but you haven't proven anything. And I noticed you didn't try and offer any explanations to my statements either??
        1. Al-CIA-Da didn't make norad stand down that day. You and I both know what's SUPPOSE to happen when a plane enters restricted airspace; fighter jets should've been on top of 'em in a heartbeat!
        2. Al-CIA-Da didn't suspend the laws of physics that day either;
        those buildings fell at nearly free fall speed and stacked up in their own footprint.
        3.WTC7 didn't fall 5 hours later after the fact without a plane ever hitting it; Al-CIA-Da didn't do it and fire didn't do it either! In fact NEVER in recorded history has a steel framed building fallen due to fire. I don't pretend to know exactly what took place that day, but those are three things I know 100% Al-Qaeda didn't do!
        As far as USS Liberty goes, the people on board that ship know EXACTLY what happened that day, there's eyewitness accounts all over the internet, you don't need me to tell you. And just because you're not willing to look at all the evidence objectively, or can somehow shrug it off or chalk it up to "fog of war" don't expect me and others do the same.
        Now what you're saying about early America in regards to my "meddling" comment may be true but we're talking about 2 very different scenarios. Back then we weren't a world super power invading countries under false pretenses, we weren't killing millions of innocent civilians & sending thousands of our own soldiers to die in a meat grinder.. and we didn't have 15 trillion in debt either! And as far as this dreaded "vacuum" theory goes, we're going to have to deal with the consequences of our actions eventually. Just like ancient Rome, the day will come when we can't afford a global empire any longer, and will be forced to leave because it'll be impossible to stay… Then what??
        Sorry for the big, long screed, let me just leave you with a question:
        What would YOU do and how would YOU feel if you woke up tomorrow to find out, let's say China had carpet-bombed half the cities in the US, troops were everywhere, they took over everything and had everybody on lockdown including YOUR neighborhood.. (basically all the same Bull$hit we're doing to other countries?) How would you feel about that Peter???

  • mrbean

    It is not racial profiling. It is a descriptio no the suspect 7 out 10 times. Blacks will drag America down to the level of Liberia. Like this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTUw0vKksGc

    • Ghostwriter

      What are you,mrbean? A KKK member? You don't help matters by slandering every black person in America.

      • http://visionsandprinciples.blogspot.com/ InRussetShadows

        Is he right or is he wrong? The murder statistics show that he is right — that is, a vast majority of violent crime in America is committed by blacks against other blacks. Are you calling the FBI racists? Go look up the numbers.

  • Tom

    @Dennis, It is possible that Ron Paul and leftist organizations are selectively using facts to argue for a viewpoint that they hold for ideological reasons. Unfortunately, your analysis is so superficial and your explanation of your argument is sufficiently vague, that it's not possible to tell whether you have a point or not. The number of murders or the race of the perps or the victims in the year of conviction is not relevant – you need to use the year of the crime. Further, just counting up the murderers and the murdered doesn't work either. To prove or disprove Ron Paul's assertion or that of the leftist organization of your choice, you need to do more in-depth statistical analysis. Specifically, what is the likelihood that someone convicted of the murder of a single person without any particularly horrific circumstances. Is the chance of being given the death penalty significantly higher for blacks or whites? Is it significantly different based on the race or sex of the victim? etc. Ron Paul and leftist organizations have made assertions. You may not believe them. But to an objective observer, you haven't proved your case.

    • http://www.themadjewess.wordpress.com MAD JEWESS

      Tom:
      At least you let Dennis have an OPINION without threatening his life.
      You realize that many in your 'peaceful' revolution want to kill people that have differing opinions?
      You seem a reasonable man, maybe you could speak up about the Paulist insanity.

  • yeah

    getting the death penalty and getting executed due to the sentence are two different things

  • sjosephm

    Front Page Mag is a Black Execution denier. Racists!!! … lol

  • lnardozi

    Black people tend to be poor. Poor people have public defenders. Public defenders like to settle cases with plea agreements. Police can 'solve' a crime by simply charging someone poor with it, and waiting for them to accept a plea agreement. Prosecutors do it all the time. The point is not that justice was done, but that justice was SEEN to have been done.

    • Don Kosloff

      The major flaw in your argument is that plea agreements do not result in the death penalty. Not there is any merit in the rest of your argument.

      • lnardozi

        No the death penalty is the result of being tried for a capital crime with a public defender as your defense. Note that OJ walked – he could afford a real lawyer.

  • ManinNH

    How is this ok with any American Citizen?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp...

    Ron Paul 2012
    Restore America Now!!!

  • Steve M

    Why don't you just boil it down to the real truth? Because you can't handle it? That truth is that the justice system in this country is incredibly skewed against the poor. Ron Paul has also pointed this out.

    • http://visionsandprinciples.blogspot.com/ InRussetShadows

      Uhm, either what RP is saying then is a lie, or you didn't read the article. If "the system" is biased against blacks, then it can't be biased simply against the poor, because there are quite a few white folks who are poor (especially in rural areas). One is not the other.

  • TheAmerican

    Individual rights FIRST.. then State and last small federal government.

    The way the framers of OUR CONSTITUTION intended.

    Give me liberty… not mitt OR newt.

    Less than 11 percent of the AMERICAN people approve of congress and THAT includes me!

    We need a peaceful REVOLUTION… back to the Constitution!

    MAKE YOUR VOTE… COUNT….. every single vote for Dr Paul shows support for TRUE FREEDOM and economic recovery…

    Don’t waste your vote.

    Even if he doesn’t get the most votes…. the greater his numbers the better for you, our children and their children.

    Don’t waste your vote… VOTE FREEDOM………. VOTE.. RON PAUL.

    • http://www.themadjewess.wordpress.com MAD JEWESS

      TA:
      I dont like Paul.
      State sponsored aborted babies.
      Legalizing drugs and prostitution.
      Repeal of DADT.
      And you call this 'liberty?'
      Sorry-NONE of these candidates are good, inc Paul.

  • Zenith

    Actually, my PH.D. professor is a specialist in this area, Ron Paul is right, by far we have done research on this topic quite a bit.

    Here name is Rosale Clawson, Purdue University.

    • Don Kosloff

      Your mystery professor is wrong also.

  • Don Kosloff

    The race of murder victims is chosen by the murderers.

  • Seth

    Ron Paul is a type of Conservative Liberal considering his foreign policy on the Middle East. He doesn't support Israel because he's one of them Bohemian Grove, Illuminatic Christians who believes the Catholics will produce the anti-christ and the Jews will go along with it. You can watch him all the time on the conspiracy theorists show Alex Jones Info Wars. When you see the lunatic things that those people come up with it will kind of scare you. So, basically what i'm getting at, is he believes all whites in politics around the world are evil and are working together to build a Zionist control over the world with the Occults which basically means he is against Israel and makes him a Liberal disguised as a conservative. Almost reminds you of a member of anybody in CAIR, or the MSA.

    • 49reasons

      Sorry Dingus, but you've got your candidates mixed up, Ron Paul's the REAL Christian conservative. Newt "the portly – draft dodging – neo-con man- chickenhawk – adulterer" Gingrich is the Bohemian Grove All Star. Here's a link to a '95 NY Times article chronicling it (not that you'll read it or anything) :
      http://www.nytimes.com/1995/07/20/opinion/liberti

      It's funny, you call all that "lunatic things" but the crap that passes for journalism around here you find perfectly believable??? (What frickin' Twilight Zone episode did I step into?!!) But you've got your facts so mixed up it's laughable! I'm guessing you probably took the short bus to school.. and most likely wore a helmet and licked the windows too.. am I right, am I right?? Of course I am. In which case I'm sure you feel completely at home here with the rest of the mental midgets of FPM! But hey, at least you're not a raging racist like Mah29001 & Crazy Willie J. Ward, you've still got that going for ya!

  • Joseph

    I hate black people. Vote for a WHITE Republican!

    • Ghostwriter

      That is the most bigoted statement I've ever read! Also the most disgusting. I'm not going to vote for a person based on race. You should be ashamed of yourself for even writing such a vile comment.

    • 49reasons

      C'mon now Joseph, that's not acceptable at FPM. The ONLY hate that's tolerated around here is for Palestinians/Arabs.

  • WilliamJamesWard

    The death penalty screams out for some crimes due to the hideous nature of
    the killing. Many executed have long rap sheets and may also have past convictions
    for manslaugter, murder 2, rape and robbery. It is a must to look at the criminal
    career of the murderer, white, black and latino that make up death row populations.
    The criminal justice system in not perfect, never was nor will it ever be so while
    man is in charge. Today many killers walk due to the liberal idiocy of juries and
    judges. The time in prison can reach thirty years before sentence is acted on.
    Politics does get into the mix which it should not but if the system worked we would
    have fewer murders by recidivists and a much smaller prison population. No one
    ever wins the argument over execution for murder but the white and black sitution
    is in many ways untrue and is some at different times quite true, it all depends on
    the facts which are not always representative of truth and reality………….William

  • 49reasons

    Undefined? I'm guessing you didn't bother reading any of my previous posts. Well here I'll make it easy for you:
    1. I'm a Ron Paul guy (have been since about 2004)
    2. I'm a Christian who actually follows the edicts in the Bible to love my neighbors and enemies.
    3. I'm not a Republican or Democrat (Republi-crat If you will) and detest both equally. (i'm a Constitutionalist)
    4. I'm not worried about Muslim hordes coming to get me and don't check under my bed every night for Al Qaeda.
    5. I'm anti-war, and don't feel death & destruction is cool.
    6. I don't feel we should be sending out billions annually in foreign aid especially when there's a 15 trillion dollar deficit.
    7. I don't think we should be: the world police, meddling in the affairs of other countries, nation building, sending soldiers to die in multiple wars for profit, overthrowing countries, smart – bombing millions of innocent brown people on the other side of the globe, indebting ourselves to the (not-so) Federal Reserve.
    8. I don't buy a word of what press-titutes Prager, Limbaugh, Levine, Kristol, Weiner-Savage, Medved, O'Reilly, and the rest of the neocon-men dou₵he bags are selling.
    9. I don't believe a bunch of 3rd world "hadjis" pulled off 9/11 by themselves; they couldn't make norad stand down, they couldn't suspend the laws of physics, and they didn't bring down WTC7
    5 hours later (neither could fire by the way)
    10. I don't believe that Israel is the trusted ally that this site and so many others makes them out to be (see: U.S.S Liberty)
    I could go on but I think I've defined myself sufficiently.

  • John Hanlon

    "If one assumes, for the sake of argument, that death is an appropriate punishment for murder, then a person who commits murder and is sentenced to death has received a just punishment. The fact that another murderer receives a somewhat more lenient sentence is not an injustice to the person receiving the death sentence….Those accused of crimes are not competing against each other for a limited quantity of punishment or mercy. Thus the fact that one criminal receives undue leniency has no bearing whatsoever on the justice of another criminal's sentence….If the death penalty is unjust because some of its candidates are sentenced only to life imprisonment without parole, then life sentences without parloe are unjust because some of its candidates receive an even lesser sentence, and so on." –from "A Refutation of the ELCA Social Statement on the Death Penalty" by Kenneth Lohr. http://www.elcatoday.com/uploads/2/4/2/8/2428588/

  • 49reasons

    Now there's a strawman argument If I've ever heard one! I said nothing about Palestinians?! My point was Prager and the rest of the Israel fanboys will overlook the hypocrisy of all the other republi-crat candidates while at the same time trip over their feet to try and discredit Ron Paul any way they can! And why? Because they're/you're afraid Paul will end the "special relationship" between America & Israel ( special relationship = billions in American tax dollars annually) Israel can defend itself, even Netanyahu agrees with Ron Paul on that one.. Google it! They've got something like 400 nukes for crying out loud! And If they want to treat their neighbors like animals whatever, That's between them and God; Just do it without the USA! I'm just glad come election time my vote for Ron Paul will cancel out your vote for whatever warmonger demagogue you support!

  • 49reasons

    Whatever you say bud! Go ahead, put more words in my mouth so you can sustain your weak-a$$ argument. Unlike you I don't hate Palestinians or Jews, I'm just tired of hearing scumbags like Prager, Michael Wiener Savage, Bill Kristol and the rest of the neocon sycophants beat the war drums and lie about Ron Paul! You want to go to war for Israel then grab a helmet and an M-16! Noooo, you don't actually want to fight in a war, you all just want to instigate one and then deride the rest of us who have had enough of your shenanigans! Bunch of cowards! The whole lot of you!!

  • 49reasons

    The only racist here is YOU! You've been projecting your hatred for Palestinians on me since your first reply! I don't hate Jewish people get that through your thick skull! You're so blinded by your seething hatred for Palestinians you don't even recognize it!! It's not only shocking, it's sad.. you should be ashamed of yourself. I pity you.

  • 49reasons

    Guilt by association huh? Then by that measure this website is racist (and it is) because you're a "well regarded" poster here and you're an overt racist! What happened, you ran out of things to say so now I'm an anti-semite? I was waiting for that one… you're pathetic!

  • 49reasons

    WOW!! what do I even say to that one?? Please, show me where in any of my comments where I mentioned a second holocaust or said anything even mildy anti-semitic, where do you get this crap? I can only hope and pray that If (God forbid) you have any kids that one day they marry a Palestinian. You are a hateful racist and a warmonger and may God have mercy on your soul, you poor bast**d!

  • 49reasons

    So let me get this straight.. In your eyes, because I believe that Palestinians absolutely have a right to exist, and live and work and be treated with dignity, i'm anti-semitic?? You're a friggin' lunatic! It's disgraceful, racist, scumbags like yourself and other neocon toadies that troll websites like this who are the problem with this country, and society in general! Sorry dude, I don't support or condone terrorism by Israel or Palestine or the US for that matter! I believe in treating other people, regardless of their heritage the same way I expect to be treated. But I guess that's a foreign concept for a little demon like you who's so blinded by rage and utter disgust for another group of human beings. I said it once and I'll say it again, your pathetic!!

  • http://visionsandprinciples.blogspot.com/ InRussetShadows

    Amazingly, none of the Ron Paul supporters even noticed this. They simply flip their positions on a dime to follow whatever the leader says. Just like the left, they excel at following the cult leader and putting their brains and morals on a shelf.

  • WilliamJamesWard

    Of course he does, propagandists take up
    reasonable assumptions and twist them
    into lies and feign propriety while wearing
    their rose colored glasses but in this case
    red……………………..William

  • 49reasons

    Oh look, another weasel racist crawls out from under his rock to project his hate for one group of people while prostrating himself for another, whatever happened to ALL MEN being created equal? I guess something that logical can't be considered if it includes the Palestinians. Huh?

  • 49reasons

    Ron Paul supporters have noticed and have seen it for what it is, more bull$hit coming from the draft-dodging, chickenhawk, neocon scumbag warmonger camp. "Reality Check James B. Powell" .. Google it

  • WilliamJamesWard

    They are equal with low life barbarian
    scum and you are their voice of reason.
    Anyone who thinks the Palestinian
    hoax has validity is a fool or paid for
    tool. So 49reasons to puke, get lost.
    William

  • 49reasons

    Another "well regarded" FPM maggot spewing more unabashed ,hateful, racist dribble! (It seems to be a recurring theme here.) So sorry for interrupting your anti- Arab/Palestinian circle jerk with a little reason & human decency; It's like shining the light on a bunch of cockroaches with you guys! But don't worry, I'll let you and your little satanic butt-buddy Mah29001 get back to your hatefest. What a couple of miserable ba$tards you are!

  • WilliamJamesWard

    ESAD…………………William

  • 49reasons

    Right back at ya Billy boy, right back at ya.

  • WilliamJamesWard

    When Palestinian parents strap on a suicide vest on
    to their child and send it into a crowd of Jewish children to die and murder you get off on it. When
    the Palestinian killers slit the throat of a Jewish
    mother and father and their infant you get off on it.
    When there are 49 innocent deaths do you think
    you get 72 virgins, what kind of lopsided math is
    that, you have to go out and become a martyr and
    not give us 49 reasons for nausea……..William

  • 49reasons

    Sorry di₵khead, just like I told Mah29001 I don't condone the terrorism of Palestine, Israel or the USA. And I empathize when little kids die senselessly, regardless of their heritage! You're the hater crazy Willie not me, stop projecting! And as far as 72 virgins goes, I don't believe any that B$ either! I'm a Christian. I'm not worried that scary brown people from the other side of the planet are gonna' come and get me; and I don't hate people, or put one group above another! I see people the same way God created them.. AS EQUALS!! But I know in your dark, warped, hate filled little world that probably doesn't compute.. But I understand.. "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do." (John 8:44)

  • WilliamJamesWard

    23 short you are and idiot……………..William

  • 49reasons

    C'mon Bill you racist degenerate heathen ba$tard, you can't do any better than that.. your 72 virgins angle has no affect on me whatsoever. I'm not a Muslim or an Arab, and I believe their Bull$h*t about as much as the crap that FPM churns out. Try again, and put a little effort into it next time.