Christopher Stevens Feeds the Crocodile

Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam. He is completing a book on the international challenges America faces in the 21st century.


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Winston Churchill once said, “An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile hoping it will eat him last.” On September 11, Christopher Stevens, a career diplomat, became one of the first Americans in Libya to feed the crocodile of Ansar Al-Sharia and learned too late that while appeasers may hope to be eaten last, they are often eaten first.

Christopher Stevens was a Middle Eastern diplomat who typified the new breed going from the University of Berkeley and the Peace Corps to desks in Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Syria. He taught English to Moroccan children in the Peace Corps and helped Palestinian Arabs in the East Jerusalem Consulate, which has a firm policy of pretending that Israel does not exist.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said of Christopher Stevens that he “made other people’s hopes his own” and that may serve as a fitting eulogy both for Stevens and for the disastrous foreign policy of making “other people’s hopes” our own that brought on the Arab Spring.

Stevens, like Clinton and Obama, made the hopes of Islamists his own and they repaid him for it, just as Afghans repaid America for supporting them against the Soviet Union, as Lebanon and Somalia repaid America’s peacekeeping efforts by killing American troops and on down the litany of gratitude in bombs and bullets that have come America’s way from the Muslim world.

“He risked his life to stop a tyrant, then gave his life trying to build a better Libya,” Hillary Clinton said, but if anything his murder exposed the lie that there is a better Libya now than there was before Hillary and he intervened in Libya. Clinton’s eulogy comes perilously close to conceding Stevens’ real mission and the degree of American intervention in the overthrow of Gaddafi.

Stevens was the connection between the Islamist Benghazi rebels and the Obama administration’s illegal war to overthrow Gaddafi. His mission, like the true mission of the war, was secret, and the consulate, marginally fortified and devoid of Marines, reflected that secrecy. Stevens did not think that he had anything to fear from the Islamists because they were his friends.

In the Wikileaks cables, Stevens cheerfully described fighters who saw “resistance against coalition forces in Iraq” as “an important act of ‘jihad’” and local businessmen who took pride in the number of suicide bombers who had come out of the area. For years he had walked safely in their company without understanding that he was just as much of a target as a Marine in Baghdad, but without the training, the weapons or the survival skills.

The only reason Christopher Stevens had lasted this long is that the jihadist fighters had known a useful man when they met him. And Stevens proved to be very useful, but his usefulness ended with Gaddafi’s death. Once the US successfully overthrew Gaddafi and began focusing on stabilizing Libya, Stevens ceased to be a useful idiot and became a useless nuisance. Attacks soon followed on the Benghazi consulate and on other consulates as well, but the Marines were not brought in and Stevens continued relying on local goodwill to secure his offices. It was only a matter of time until the attackers got through.

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  • Stephan

    As for Afghanistan even Reagan did not understand why the Soviet Union needed help. The Soviet Union used Afghanistan to play dead. Search if you can find any Gulag memorial remembering the millions killed by Soviet tyrants. Search if the media reported about family reunions after the liberation of the Gulags.

    • Omar

      Well, the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in order to expand the Communist empire. Once Reagan took office, he took the necessary steps needed to defeat the totalitarianism that threatened the world during the 1980s.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        And it did suck the USSR dry.

  • jackflash

    This article makes no sense. Stevens was assasinated in a planned and coordinated Al Quaida 9:11 aniversary strike.
    In Lybia, Steven was doing waht all US diplomats always do and have always done.- Push US strategic and financial interests.

    • Advocatus

      I believe the point of the piece is that Stevens and the Obama administrations have not been doing what is in America's best interests in the Middle East. It seems to me that the events of the past year across the region have underlined that point quite well.

    • Asher

      US interests and safety have not benefitted from the union with Islam, quite the opposite!

      • Jim_C

        Really? We don't like their oil? We haven't found certain strong arm regimes handy?

    • curmudgeon

      there is an opening for ambassador to libya, jack. i believe you are perfectly suited for the post. please apply. dont even take note of the fact that the crocodile in not very discerning as to who its friends are. if you arent a crocidile, you are crocodile food. so go pet the dam thing, feed it your enemies, and see how long it takes for you to be crocodile dung.

      • Kufar Dawg

        "Jack" should definitely put his money where his mouth is an relocated to wonderful Libya, Iranistan, Somalia or Pakistain. Maybe he'll get to be on TV himself, maybe we'll see his head sawn off by some of the muslimes he holds so dear.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          It might be a great 'romance opportunity' since the muslim men seem to enjoy using our diplomats.

    • http://www.facebook.com/timbones.oneil Tim O'Neil

      So, tell me Jack, how are U.S. Strategic interests served by removing a dictator who at least kept things stable and safe with a mob of murderous thugs?

      • Jim_C

        Are we allowed to ask George W. Bush the same?

    • Peter

      No, Stevens was involved in the folly known as nation building

    • kasandra

      The article makes perfect sense. The administration, apparently Ambassador Stevens, and much of the political left, believe that the problems we have with the Muslim world are a result of mutual understanding. I don't see where there is misunderstanding (apart from the delusion that there is one). Islam means submission. While the Muslim world values this submission, the West values personal freedom and our country is premised on the idea that that freedom derives from natural law that grants us natural rights. There is no misunderstanding between these philosophies. There is an incompatibility between these philosophies.

      • kasandra

        Should have said "mutual misunderstanding". Sorry for the typo.

        • amused

          The dumbing down of America ,via Conservative "idiot-ology " , the above posts are the sad sad proof .

          • Chuck Long

            There are none so blind as those who refuse to see what is right in front of them. The above post by amused is the sad proof of that aphorism.

          • Drakken

            The wishful thinking and kumbaya dreams of you useful idiots of the left is quite amusing, Darwin is going to love you and your kind soon enough. History is always a great guide on how you weak pacifist folks always perish and the strong always survive.

          • Kufar Dawg

            You're neither amusing nor convincing, maybe a better choice for your nom-de-plume would be ignoramus.

          • John

            1. How hard would it to be to run out a of a small one-story building so as to not die from the heat, flames or smoke inhalation? Easy

            2. Does your normal healthy sane person not flee a burning one story building with ease? Yes.

            3. Why would a person not flee a burning 1 story building? Because the fate that awaits them outside is much worse than dying from fire as Greenfield notes.

            4. Ergo AMUSED is a troll, stupid & arrogant.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Come on now amused, which old liberal troll are you? I've seen your thinking around before. Were you sailor guy? Or aqua guy, or what other profile names have you gone by on intense debate?

          • kafir4life

            amused is also a union plaything. He's a great substitute for toilet paper at the meetings. He also doubles as a urinal.

          • Kufar Dawg

            Then why don't you try taking your next vacation in Libya, Egyptistan, Iranistan, Iraq, Syria, Somalia then? Bring your family. Bring your kids (although I hope you don't have any).

          • kafir4life

            Your servicing your union leader is amusing. Do you get to swab Karen Lewis under the folds?

    • http://www.facebook.com/freemon.sandlewould Freemon Sandlewould

      doubt if this turns out to be in our interest!

  • Saroj

    “…just as Afghans repaid America for supporting them against the Soviet Union, as Lebanon and Somalia repaid America’s peacekeeping efforts by killing American troops and on down the litany of gratitude in bombs and bullets that have come America’s way from the Muslim world”. Indeed. And the US is still blind to the betrayal, the kicks in the teeth it receives almost every day from Pakistan for helping it live its dream. Despite a mountain of evidence, US continuous to fund and arm Pakistan to its teeth without so much as a scant regard of its consequences on Indians and Hindus. What some Americans feel about the Ambassador’s tragic death in Benghazi, we Indians feel every day, living as we are under constant threat of murderous terrorist attacks from a nuclear armed Islamic country on our doorstep. A nuclear weapon, I hasten to add, funded and sponsored by the US tax payers. Betrayal does not even begin to cover it. You Americans are the worst because your funding of terrorist states and groups ends up in deaths of countless innocent others, and you don’t even give a toss. I never take please from any person’s death, but it always give me pleasure to see US down on its knees grovelling to the very Islamists they help. My day will come with you and Pakistan.

    • Indioviejo

      What you say is an unfortunate truth. We can't even claim ignorance of Islam, because our Oil Companies executives and workers have been in the region since the 1930's and should have known what type of animal we were dealing with. But India, to my disappointment was in the Communist camp since its Independence, and paid a dear price for its ideology, and now that we are closer to India than I thought possible, we are headed towards socialism ourselves, we are standing together just watching this monstrous Islamic World War engulf our respective countries. Maybe we will still be around to be part of a new world order.

      • Vivek

        And pray what are the likes of Kuldip Nayar, and the candlewalas, the Singhs and Sharma signing trade pacts and inviting FDI from Pakistan doing? And who is hosting Sur Kshetra, Americans?

    • Drcrazycatkid

      It's not the American people, my friend. At least not those in touch with reality. Many of us do not approve of the policies you criticize. Do not confuse the Obama administration with the frustrated American patriot citizens who do care about what India suffers at the hands of Muslims. We feel the same threat here. And many of us feel disgusted at our country's current foreign policy and it's leftist cheerleaders.

    • NoIslam

      Very well said! Number 1 islamic terrorist supporter is the US government (not only this one) and right after it comes the EU. I'm living in Bosnia and Herzegovina (South-East Europe) a country not often mentioned in the media. The EU and US representatives in my country push their multicultural agenda without pardon. Currently the country is divided into 2 entities 1. Serbian Republic, 2. Ferderation. In the SR the vast majority are christian orthodox serbs and in the ferderation the majority are muslims (soon becoming radical) with a minority of croatian catholics. The croats want the federation to split into 2 parts, a muslim and a croatian part (the only way to protect the croats from islamic rule) but the multiculturalists (EU and US) are pushing for a centralized ("multicultural") B&H which would allow the muslimaniacs to take control of the entire country and later on to introduce sharia law and to put all none muslims into chains. Multiculturalism feeds islamism, i hope both of them are dieing soon.

      • Drakken

        The Serbs will soon make a nice little agreement to divide B_H into a muslim free zone, it will be a Balkans II.

      • jon

        u have no argument from me and everyone I know here in the US! I can tell u the next time there is a war between the Christains and Muslims there in ur neck of the woods, I just hope my government has learned enough about the "GRATITUDE" of those Islamofascists that you fight there – to STAY OUT OF IT!!

        but plz let me jsut put ONE point out there for you to think about…

        according to a study on "multi-culturalism" its NOT the different "cultures" within a free western society that make trouble and DO NOT ASSIMILATE! Its not the chinese or the buddhists or the thai or the spanish or the indian hindu – its just the islamic religion that seems to not be able to get along with its neighbors – either INSIDE a nation with others – or on borders as a NEIGHBOR STATE! ITS WEIRD!!

        • ron

          (CONT) But I guess its true cause when you think about it they truly ARE the ONLY ONES in a society that just cannot seem to live and let live in PEACE!! You don't see the JEWS out in ur streets screaming about religious law and how their religions laws will RULE UR COUNTRY and signs saying FREEDOM GO TO HELL!

          AND – its interesting to note that ARAB CHRISTIANS are good citizens and ASSIMULATE!! In South America we have a HUGE POPULATION of them and LOTS of them have even gone on to become PRESIDENTS of their adoptive countries!! SO – what does that you?? is it the cultural "arabs" that are CHRISTIANS or the cultural arabs that are ISLAMIC that are at the root of so many problems??

          • ron

            (CONT)
            Personally – Im beginning to think the the solution to the problem is to get a TON of CHRISTIAN ARAB IMMIGRANTS and be sure to settle them into dominately MUSLIM AREAS and LET THEM BALANCE THE EQUATION!! I think it may just be that it takes a fox from the same "field" to be able to catch the rabbits of that "field" – if ya know what I mean! and if nothing else your country will AT LEAST have a huge popualtion of ppl that are GRATEFUL to be there in FREEDOM and instead of daming freedom to hell – they will actually DEFEND IT – even to the gates of HELL!!

    • A. Keen Observer

      Saroj, you speak the truth but India does the same thing. Recently at a conference of non-aligned nations in Iran, India attended and said not one word concerning Ahmadinejad's obscene diatribe about the "vile Jews and Israel being a cancer on the earth" even though India and Israel are strong partners in trade and defense. How come? Politics my friend. I hate American policies — particularly under Obama (who is as much of a Saudi agent as one can get). His veto of the Keystone Pipeline which would have weaned the US off of Muslim oil was an act of complete treason against the American people. Also, India, too is responsible for allowing Pakistani acts of terror. India placates it Muslim population with constant condemnation of Israel while accepting emergency and millitary aid and technology from Israel. This is outrageous and Indians must expect a big karmic return for that.

    • http://twitter.com/ylem0 @ylem0

      The US isn't blind to the betrayal — we have traitors in our government and in our White House.

    • MUNCHKIN

      RIGHT YOU ARE, DANIEL.! AND WHAT ABOUT DANNNY PEARL AND THE GONE-VIRAL VIDEO OF HIS DECAPITATION…?!! WHY DIDN'T IT PROVOKE A RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION IN THE MUSLIM WORLD?

    • ron

      But Saroj – the one thing u are not understanding is that IF push come to shove the US WILL NOT SUPPORT PAKISTAN OVER INDIA!!! and even if they "politically" did something to appease the pakis against india it would just be a false front because BRITIAN is our number one ally in europe and even though the UK and India has had alittle rough go of it in the last 50 or so years, it will NEVER ABANDON INDIA EITHER! So by default the US govt would be "allied" to India even if only through Britian. And I am an american that is married into an Indian family and I can assure you this reasoning is solid, and we DO give a flip…

      • ron

        (CONT)
        so please do not think that bc this govt tries to appease the paki govt in form of monetary means, it DOES NOT mean to say we are against India. In a "situation" the US and the WORLD recognizes which government is the more level and RATIONAL and would NOT abandon it to the Islamofascists!!

        But you are right that it is a VICIOUS CYCLE which inadvertantly gives money to a HORRIBLE COUNTRY FULL OF FASCIST IDEOLGY and HATRED and PREJUDICE against its own religious minorities – both christain AND HINDU!!!!!!! and we DO UNDERSTAND what it feels like to be constantly under threat of attack by these COCKROACHES! At least you guys have a place right over your border to kick OUT their rascist jew hating EVIL!!! pakistan always seems to welcome more cockroaches into their country!!

  • Asher

    Time will prove that you can't be friends with your enemies, this country has been intellectually deceived Many leaders believe that America can sit down with radical islamic terrorists and come to a common understanding that will bring lasting peace. This is absolute deception…it is not going to happen. Unfortunately, the Liberals have become part of the Useful Idiot program to help them, and then once that expires, so do the useful idiots.

    • Kufar Dawg

      It'll be another night of the long knives for the useful idiot liberals if the muslo-fascists ever take power.

    • http://twitter.com/ylem0 @ylem0

      And many Americans believe that Obama's puppetmasters are going to allow Americans to vote in November.

  • Glennd1

    Stevens merely represents the apex of the flawed thinking of the left. You see, they have a set of irreconcilable views of morality and history that force them to act in irrational ways, and in many cases, against their own interests. I happen to oppose Zionism, and want the U.S. to end it's support for Israel (I'm not going to debate that in this thread, I have done so many other times here) – just as I'm sure Stevens did. But that doesn't make me sympathetic to Islamists and Jihadists. I have no sympathy for their insanity – but a guy like Stevens can't do that. He has to see the world in a oppressed/oppressor dyad – a form of very limited thinking. As well, it has him be naturally sympathetic to anyone who opposes the U.S. as "justice" compels him to protect the "oppressed".

    It's sad how limited the thinking of the left has become. Folks on the right, however, should take little solace as their thinking is even more primitive in ill-informed. What comes out about Romney from this episode is that he hasn't thought deeply about these issues, and doesn't have a good sense of the dynamics or history. Worse yet, you folks seem to think that the U.S. has been some kind of unalloyed force for good in the region, when in fact we've been incredibly indifferent to the plight of Arabs and Muslims, relegating them to live under tyrants, and you wonder why they attack us?

    Between the fantasy world of Obama and the reactionary idiocy of the right, I'm left with little hope for our nation.

    • davarino

      Your wrong, they attack us now because they are not living under tyrants. The tyrants kept a lid on them and now they are free to do what they do best, kill and destroy till all are subjest to islam.

      • Glennd1

        Morons like you are just funny at this point. Read my comment again, you'll see I don't claim they are attacking us because of any one thing. But what dingbats like you don't seem to want to acknowledge is that our actions have consequences. And if you don't think our support for the various tyrants in the mid-east has caused us to lose our moral authority with the people in the region, well you are just ignorant. Our actions have always been about meeting our needs and the Arabs and Muslims in the region understand that we have never been concerned with them.

        Now let's see if you can keep up, I know this kind of complex thinking is beyond you. The popular ill will on the street arises from many causes, and Islamism and Jihadis are big parts of the problem. But so is our history. I wonder, can you imagine being a young person growing up in Pakistan, what would you make of the U.S.? If you can't understand that our actions have consequences on these people, and that by just trying to keep things "stable", we have alienated ourselves from the people in the region. And if you can't get that uprisings like this arise in part from our actions, then you live in a fantasy world.

        Me? I say just leave the region, kill anyone and everyone who strikes against us. Let them descend into their own chaos. We should continue to buy oil from them, but that's about it. But see, we won't do that – we are busy everywhere there. Have you looked at the ring of military installations that surrounds say Iran? Do you realize how busy we are in places like Yemen? My goodness, you act as though we are just little innocent lambs walking along, not harming a soul, being set upon by Arab wolves. Go away, stupid man, just go away.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Glennd1, People like you represent the mindlessness that passes for rationality.

          Isolationism doesn't work. We either fight back now when they are weaker or as you prefer, wait on the sidelines, expect that our enemies will be appeased with giving them their short term goals. Like giving national Socialist Germany Czechoslovakia, Poland, France, etc.

          The Islamofascists tell everyone their goals. To Islamize the entire world. Islamofascists kill over a film because the Infidels don't respect their vile beliefs. Anyone with a functioning brain, which excludes Socialists and you Glennd1, sees what is happening. Just look at the front page of a daily newspaper.

          Fight the Islamists BEFORE they get nukes, or later when they have nukes. Destroy nation Socialist Germany or Imperial Japan BEFORE they get nukes or live and die in a world where they have nukes.

          The suicide hijackers of 9/11 and suicide bomber of Londons 7/7/05 bombings show that there are Islamists willingly die to attack. Suicide bombers are low-tech cruise missiles.

          It is a mistake to think that Islamists think like Westerners.

          Glenndr1, you are not alone. There are millions of fools like you. You are a suicide voter.

          • Glennd1

            Do you realize how poory your comment compares to mine? I make a very well conceived point about Stevens leftism making him unable to see the evil in Islam – but also mention that right-wingers (like you apparently) are ahistorical in their analysis, refusing to acknowledge the U.S.'s role in the region. You call me a fool – but don't offer any facts to support your contention wrt the U.S.'s record in the region. Instead you go on a barely sentient rant about Islamofacism (as though Islam is united, lol).

            And then you throw out the Germany WWII canard, which really exposes your ignorance. I'll cite one fact that should humble you (but probably won't) that demonstrates how little you actually understand about the world and history of humanity, even recent history, history that you use to support your imbecilic "argument". Germany, when Chamberlain was "negotiating", had 100 divisions it could field. England had 5 – Germany was a real threat to England and the rest of Europe. Iran is no such threat to us. Al Qaeda is no such threat to us – any time we choose to, we can wipe Iran from the map. And we've already shown we can eliminate Al Qaeda where and when we choose to via SpecForces, covert ops and law enforcement.

            The Muslim Brotherhood is no threat to the U.S. They do have aspirations for world domination, but so does Stewie on Family Guy. Yes, we should be very busy opposing them, undermining them. speaking out against them, ridiculing them, isolating them – but you seem to suggest something utterly different. That somehow we are about to be crushed by the jackboot of "Islamofacism" – when in fact, their forces can't organize to even set off single bombs or execute even lone wolf attacks here. Islamism can be faced down the way the Communism was – but did you notice that we never went to war with the USSR?

            I wonder what it is that you think we should do? You call me an isolationist, but I'm not. I think we need to counterbalance the real threats to the U.S. in the world, China and Russia for sure, and then lesser predators like Pakistan, North Korea and the like. But that's it. All the other nonsense – troops in Europe, taking sides in South American squabbbles or in places like Somalia or Sudan – nope, sorry. The adults in the room have noticed that our actions really don't usually end up helping, and damage the prestige of U.s. foreign policy.

            Guys like you don't seem to trouble yourselves with facts and observing the unintended consequences of your actions, and even worse, think you have something of value to offer me or others. Listen up, you have a child's understanding of the world. Do yourself a favor, take like 5 yrs off from commenting on the web and instead study the history of the world. Really do it, read those pesky, long books – and not just on the U.S.'s founding, and make sure they are written by folks other than Barton/Beck/O'Reilly. You'll be amazed by how much more complex it is. And if you just read the actual history of the past 100 years in the mid-east, you'd be embarrassed by your comments and your ignorance. I hope it happens, it would be good for you. But I suspect instead that I'm going to be treated to more of your hamhanded, adolescent polemic.

          • Omar

            Glennd1, England is not a country. It is one of the 4 main internal divisions of the country known as the United Kingdom (or Britain). By calling the UK "England" you are insulting Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. Check Matt Rosenberg's articles for the truth about the UK's internal : http://geography.about.com/od/politicalgeography/… and http://geography.about.com/od/politicalgeography/….

          • Glennd1

            You idiotic douche. Of course I know what the United Kingdom is, but it's also true that the UK was often referred to as England during WWII. I can't believe this is how you respond, as though I'm not aware of the other parts of the U.K. – I mean, are you in like 3rd grade or something?

          • Omar

            Well, those people were wrong too back then for not calling the country by its proper name.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Glennd1, As a test of your honesty, tell us whether you think the Islamic Republic of Iran is working on developing nuclear weapons.

            P.S. Praising yourself only impresses your fan base. Your mother.

          • Glennd1

            Of course they are, they wish to acquire nuclear weapons. The question is do you think it's a deterrent move or an offensive move? And if you take off your Zionist, right-wing, fantasy-world blinders, you'd see that Iran isn't irrational, it's leadership is pretty rational. They are pursuing a strategy that makes sense to them. And by raising the intensity of the struggle with the "Great Satan and the Little Satan", the secure more popoular support within Iran. But I just don't see them launching a nuke. We already corral and contain North Korea and Pakistan, what makes you think Iran would be any crazier? I also think the threat is mainly to Israel, not the U.S. And I don't equate a threat to Israel to a threat to the U.S. – I'm deadly opposed to getting in war with Iran to protect Israel.

            You want to offer the Jews asylum here, in the U.S.? Great, no problem, otherwise good luck. The numbers are kind of tough to overcome, uhh, like impossible, but hey, yeah, I think it's a great idea to keep being belligerent to nations and peoples who outnumber them 100 to 1. Time to fold up shop in Palestine, Israel is indefensible without the U.S. going to war to protect it, and it's not a strategic nor compelling moral interest for the U.S. Sorry. The American people will not support a war with Iran. I will be out in the streets, along with many other libertarians. You NeoCons need to re-examine your unalloyed support for Israel, who's interests are you lobbying for?

          • Omar

            Glennd1, The United States has tried to make peace with Islamist countries for a longtime. However, the Islamist countries don't want peace with Israel or the West. The reason America supports Israel is because Israel shares the free world's vision of freedom, democracy, peace and stability in the world. Meanwhile, the goal of left-wing fanatics, Islamist Jihadists and their fascist allies is to destroy every democratic country in the world and replace their governments with radical, intolerant, totalitarian regimes where Marxism and Sharia are the laws of the land. America, Britain, Israel and the rest of the free world must confront and defeat the left-wing Jihadist threat.

        • Drakken

          Those mean tyrants you oppose is what keeps the islamic masses at bay, since those mean tyrants are being overthrown by islamic clerics, we westerners are under no obligation to treat our muslim enemies with kid gloves period. Please by all means tell them how much you admire them and want to cuddle with them like a cute teddy bear, lets see how that works versus the mailed fist. It is not us westerners that have oppressed them, it is their own 7 th century thinking and false religion that does.

          • Glennd1

            Of course I don't sympathize with the Islamists, so there is that… Question: Do you have any ability to think critically? Or do you just accept what your idols in the right wing media tell you? You aren't even in the same conversation as me, do you realize that, you freaking troglodyte?

        • davarin

          Zoiks, I'll have to remember what happens when disagreeing with you. I was not making any arguement about the reason for the attacks. I was simply stating that these people need dictators to keep them on a leash.

          • Glennd1

            I know what you were saying, and it's incredibly vicious and ignorant. "These people" have suffered horrendously under the likes of Mubarak and others in the region, such as the Saudi royal family. Without our military training, support and security guarantees, they would not have been able to maintain their boots on the necks of those people. So, regardless what these people were and are in other respects, the U.S. government was a party to oppressing them. Whatever else they hold against us, certainly this does not help, yes? And if you actually stopped listening to Zionists, and for a second listened to the dialog coming from their side, you quickly realize how covered in blood our hands are. So really, stfu, you are the right-wing version of a "useful idiot" – sorry to interrupt your delusions with reality, but you know, it just might do you some good.

          • guest

            No one listens to someone who spouts insults at everyone he disagrees with.

        • Drew

          Glennd1, rip the blinders off your own foolish eyes. Muslims are not shaking off tyrants, just secular tyrants but immediately substitute the even worse tyranny of strict Islamic law, sharia. Therefore the hatred directed at the USA is not the result of our supporting tyrant A or B. It has to do with being a non-Muslim powerful obstacle to the Muslim world supremacy project just by existing, even as a stupid Obama Dem government aids formation of the new caliphate. American actions in the Muslim world are not processed by rational minds, just minds indoctrinated in anti-infidel i.e. anti-American hatred. It does not matter what America does or doesn't do in the Muslim world. It will be hated regardless, though the pretexts given are many.

        • Drew

          "our support for the various tyrants in the mid-east has caused us to lose our moral authority with the people in the region" Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. As though a people lurching from tyranny to tyranny shackling themselves voluntarily to the worst tyranny of all, sharia law have any moral authority to pronounce on a free and accomplished people. 57 out of 57 Muslim countries are failures in the human rights department and all but those with unearned oil wealth are economic basket cases too. And Glennd1 thinks the opinion of the moral midgets inhabiting theses swamps about their betters counts for anything?

    • Omar

      Glennd1, you need to learn real history instead of leftist/Islamist propaganda. First of all, Zionism is not the problem. Zionism isn't even extremism. It is simply a movement to establish a Jewish state in the Holy Land. How is that extreme? Second, How is Israel and Zionism responsible for the suffering of its neighbors? Israel is less than one percent of the landmass of the Middle East, surrounded by Islamists who want to destroy Israel and kill the Jews. While Israel is a tolerant society that respects everyone's rights regardless of characteristics (Arab citizens of Israel have more rights than citizens in other countries in the Middle East), its adversaries are genocidal thugs who want war and destruction and the establishment of a global Islamist empire. Look at Sudan, a racist, sexist, Islamist regime even worse than what South Africa was during the apartheid era. The Darfur genocide was committed by the Islamists in Sudan. Why isn't there a BDS campaign directed against Sudan? It is because the BDS campaign is controlled by leftists and Islamists who want the destruction of the tolerant, democratic state of Israel, that's why. Also, the United States has absolutely nothing to do with the supposed "plight" of te Islamists in the Middle East. If anything, America has been too generous with organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood, whose 1991 document calls for the takeover of American and Western civilization by Islamism. For many years, the U.S. and its allies like the UK, Israel and the rest of the free world has supported freedom around the world, while its radical leftist and Islamist enemies have supported war, terror and destruction. Instead of asking about U.S. foreign policy (except in the case of this administration's policy regarding the Muslim Brotherhood), maybe you should ask why the Cuban dissidents despise the Castro regime so much. You should ask about the oppression that the Castro brothers have imposed on the Cuban people. Just ask why Cuba is the only dictatorship in the Western Hemisphere.

      • Glennd1

        Another barely sentient ignoramus weighs in, uttering the tropes of others that he barely understands. Let's be clear, I understand the history of that region far better than you – I've read the books. I understand the history of Zionism very well. I base my criticism on its and its adherents words and deeds. But like I said above, I'm not here to argue about Zionism on this thread – I've done that elsewhere. My point in mentioning it at all was that one can be opposed to Zionism and Islamism/Jihad. They are not opposite "sides" – and both are anthema to U.S. values and interests.

        But guys like you are really not in a dialog here. Rather, you see a word and you are triggered to argue against me – without even actually understanding my point. What baffles me is why you think that I need to "learn real history" – lol, what "real history" is it that you know? Have you read say, Benny Morris, or Begin's memoir in which he details the cleansing of say, Lydda in '48 – 50,000 people lived in that town alone. But you don't want to deal with the actual facts, I'm sure, because then you'd have to admit, just as many Israeli's have, the following. I'll quote Benny Morris for you. For those of you who don't know, he's one of the most respected Israeli, Jewish, Zionist historians on the topic of the Palestinians, writing such books as 1948 and Righteous Victims.

        T Rami al interviewed Morris for the newspaper Yediot Ahronot in December 1994.
        Morris: "As one who received his education in Israel, I thought I knew that the Arabs had ‘run away.’ But I knew nothing else.The Jewish generations of 1948, however, knew the truth and deliberately misrepresented it. They knew there were plenty of mass deportations, massacres and rapes…The soldiers and the officials knew, but they suppressed what they knew and were deliberately disseminating lies.”

        Benny Morris also said this:
        “Israelis like to tell the world, that they are running an ‘enlightened’ or ‘benign’ occupation, qualitatively different from other military occupations the world has seen. The truth was radically different. Like all occupations, Israel’s was founded on brute force, repression and fear, collaboration and treachery, beatings and torture chambers, and daily intimidation, humiliation and manipulation.” Israeli historian, Benny Morris, “Righteous Victims.”

        So, tell me, who is it that needs to "learn real history"? And lastly, before you call me an anti-Semite or an Islamist sympathizer, save your breath. Neither is true – nor do they have to be. One can oppose Zionism and Islamism on sound moral ground, and I do.

        • Omar

          Glennd1, I am not ignorant. I too have knowledge of history. And, no. Zionism is not an extremist movement the way jihadism is. Zionism has nothing to do with political nor religious extremism. As I stated before, Zionism is simply a movement to establish a Jewish state in the Holy Land, where the Jews have lived continuously for over 3000 years, which brings me to my next point. The so-called "Palestinians" are in fact an invented people (check Newt Gingrich's notable interview for more about the truth) that is used to discredit the democratic state of Israel's right to exist. In fact, the name Palestine is not an Arabic name. Palestine is a Latin name given to the region known as Israel, Gaza, West Bank and parts of Jordan when the Romans conquered the region in 66 AD/CE. The name Palestine means Philistines, who were Greek sailors who had red hair (the Philistines were not Arabs). The Roman conquest happened 600 years before Islam was established and the Arabs started moving into the area known as the Holy Land. The area now known as Israel, Gaza and the West Bank composed of only 20% of the Palestine Mandate, which also included Jordan (which composed of 80% of the Mandate). At the end of World War I, when the Ottoman Empire disintegrated, the British promised the Jews that they would get a state in the Palestine Mandate, but London soon gave about 80% of the territory to the Hashemites, who renamed the partitioned land "Transjordan" (later called Jordan). Then, in 1947, the Palestine Mandate was partitioned again (this time by the United Nations) into a Jewish state and another Arab state. The Jews accepted the partition and sought to make peace with the Arabs. Meanwhile, the Arab states rejected the partition and launched a war of annihilation against Israel on the day of its independence. Israel had no choice but to fight back againdt the invaders, which it did and it won. Gaza and the West Bank were illegally annexed by Egypt and Jordan, respectively (Israel would get the annexed territories after the Six Day War in 1967). For over 60 years, Israel has had to defend itself against its enemies, who have declared to "wipe Israel off the map". In 2007, Hamas' founder, Mahmoud Al-Zahar, said, "There is no place for you Jews among us, and you have no future among the nations of the world. You are headed to annihilation" . Hamas' charter calls for the destruction of Israel. Many countries in the Middle East refuse to make peace with Israel, or even recognize its right to exist. While Israel is a tolerant society (Arab citizens of Israel have more rights and liberties than citizens of other countries in the Middle East), its enemies regularly commit human rights violations against their own people as well as other peoples. The goal of the Islamists is to destroy democracy and replace it with a global Islamist empire, where Sharia is the law of the land. While America, Britain, Israel and the rest of the free world want democracy, peace and stability, the free world's enemies want aggression and totalitarianism.

          • http://twitter.com/ylem0 @ylem0

            "The goal of the Islamists is to destroy democracy and replace it with a global Islamist empire, where Sharia is the law of the land."

            Didn't anyone tell them that the One World Government Communists have something else in mind for the world?

          • Drew

            Those 2 totalitarian scorpions, communism and Islam will fight it out later, after they've co-operated to reduce the present world order to rubble. Meanwhile, they admire each other's control freakiness. It's a replay of Hitler and Stalin allying in the Molotov Ribbentropf Pact before having the usual falling out between two thieves and murderers.

        • Drakken

          What you don't seem to grasp nor understand is that Israel is of the West, the muslims of fakestine are not, and I will make this so simple that a leftist, all things and cultures are equal, brainwashed to hate us in the west seudo intellectual can get it. Islam is the enemy period, if that escapes your intelectual capacity to think you are clearly clueless. This is going to get a hell of a lot worse, so pick a side son.

          • http://twitter.com/ylem0 @ylem0

            He probably doesn't grasp that Jesus Christ was real and did actually live according to the many records and 2nd hand accounts, whereas Moohamid was a made-up prophet who just happens to come out of a rock where the Jewish Temple was destroyed. What a coincidence. And these writings of Moohamid are more about how its people should behave except for the IMAN, the Caliph, the Supreme Leader, the Muslim clerics, political and military leaders, or any other man in power.

            This was created in the made-up story as a military action to prevent the Jews from rebuilding their temple. This was nothing found to support the story that there was a Moohamid, nor were there any 2nd hand accounts written either.

    • Bettyhere

      Look, guys, this has been going on for 200 years, yes, back to Jefferson. Has anyone heard of the Barbary Coast & the shores of Tripoli. Nothing has changed. They are still pirates, we still pay tribute to keep the peace, they said then and they still say that it's all Islam and everyone else is an infidel and deserves their fate. And it will continue for — God knows how long. Obama has upset the unspoken agreement made centuries ago. Look it up! Glennd1, your conclusions lack substance, they just sound partisan.

      • Glennd1

        Another hopeless imbecile aping the pose of someone he heard on talk radio, what a joke. This, of course, is in no way a continuation of those hostilities – to suggest so is truly absurd. It ignores things like the Ottoman Empire, just for one example. I do agree that Islamist militancy is on the ascendancy, but to treat it like a threat that is equivalent to say Nazi Germany or the USSR is to betray an utter ignorance of the strategic considerations here. And of course, to be accurate, we are invading their lands – not the reverse, or did you miss that central fact?

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Glennd1, Thanks for undermining your own arguments. Earlier you acknowledge that islamism is on the rise. Yet, just above you say it is not a threat.

          BTW, an an other test of your honesty.

          Did 19 Arabs, 15 of them from Saudi Arabia, hijack 4 passenger planes and fly them into buildings on 9/11/01?

        • Kufar Dawg

          The Ottoman Empire, you mean the Turkish islamofascist empire that was responsible for the genocide of some 2.5 million Armenian and Assyrian Christians? You mean that empire right Ahmed?

    • Kufar Dawg

      Then move to an islamofascist state champ. They don't like zionists either.

      • Glennd1

        It's the same dingbats over and over again. Why can't you get it? I oppose Zionism and Islamism – they are not opposite sides from which an American must choose one. If you actually took the time to read what I say you would actually have to deal with the fact that I'm not making an argument for supporting the Islamists, I never do, I despise them. But really, what's the point? Why am I even bothering? You'll just call me an Islamofascist sympathizer, what a joke. Truly, the mentality here, the ability to engage substantially is more like what I encountered in high school. You guys don't even comprehend and respond to the points I make, you argue with me about things I don't say. What a joke.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Glennd1, Do you also oppose Socialism – the root cause of WW2?

          It was National Socialist Germany that declared war and invaded Europe and later declared War on the US, just 4 days after the Pearl Harbor sneak attack?

          The FAKE "anti-war" cult of today is as foolish today as were the "anti-war" and isolationist cults of the 1930s, 1940s.

          You should try to read books outside of your socialist drum circle.

        • Kufar Dawg

          Israel is the only state in the Mid-East where Christians, Druze, Bahais and Jews aren't being persecuted and murdered by muslime with impunity. Remember to wipe yourself with an odd number of stones Ahmed.

    • Michael LeFavour

      No geopolitical construct is perfect. That said, since you imply that you are such a deep thinker, what do you feel the US has done specifically to Muslims in the ME, or anywhere, for that matter, that would be accepted as a mitigating circumstance by a reasonable man to explain away the violence Muslims direct at us? I mean is the film "a cause" of the violence in your opinion as it is with another self assured poster here? I don't know you and haven't read a single sentence of what you have written outside the comment section of this article, so I am genuinely curious of what rubric you measure culpability on when you also imply that the US is not a force for good.

    • http://twitter.com/ylem0 @ylem0

      "[the US] relegating them to live under tyrants"?! When we give Muslims a chance at Democracy, what do they do? They vote for Islalmic extremism. There have been trible wars long before we got there and there will be tribal wars long after we leave. Islam was designed to be militant. They used a fake prophet, mo-ham-ed, to right the kurranne so they could allow pedophilia, sodomy, rape, killing, torture, etc. to be commited by the men. They don't follow god, they follow Lucifer.

      You're just another American hater and appeaser like the Progressives. You like to think that you're better than everyone. You claim that you can't back Liberals because of the Obama's fantasy world they created and you can't support the Right because of the idiocy. You're worse than the lies you tell. You sit on a fence with your nose in the air, never committing to anything because that would mean that you would have to stand up for something. When you stand up for something, you have to fight for it and that's something you're terrified of.

  • Sunbeam

    A good caused repaid by evil. It is truly disgusting to learn of the news of the four American diplomats been killed in Benghazi, Libya. During the Spring Uprising In Libya and in other Middle East countries in that region, its people pleaded and sought the help of America because they wanted so desperately to topple their dictator but was unable to do so because they were weak and no match with the ruling regime. America responded by sending aid thru air strikes and other means. The battle was won. It's ironic that people can forget that fast and this is what they repay America today. Innocent diplomats were killed by them even though they had nothing to do with this. .

    • mlcblog

      I don't agree that it's a just cause. I believe it is more like arrogance.

  • Schlomotion

    Mr. Greenfield, remarkably, has a view of the past 25 years of history that doesn't include oil as a motivating factor. It must be so weird only to see the world in terms of Jews and Muslims. Ironically, his example of Somalia is loud enough. The US got involved in Somalia to secure oil concessions. For a while, the Somali military was pretty good and killed the first CIA guy the US sent over and shot down two helicopters that were coming in to do an assassination and dragged a few US soldiers around.

    Libya, the country that Mr. Greenfield is complaining about now just had their leader assassinated by US backed Al Qaeda, fully reversing the line of BS the American people have had to chew as an excuse for high gas prices, total war, a crashed economy, and a loss of rights for the past 12 years. They assassinated Qadhafi so that BP could drill with impunity in the Gulf of Sirt, and deprive China and Russia of that oil, all the while neither bringing stability to Libya, nor affordable gasoline to Americans.

    Mr. Greenfield's sole objective here, though is to dance on the grave of Christopher Stevens and monger some more war.

    • IsraelFirster

      I don't think so and you're just looking to stir up the masses on here. Stevens committed suicide and had help from the locals. If there were any intelligence on this happening, all American personnel should have been evacuated immediately so that this tragedy could have been avoided.

      • davarino

        pst, your talking with a crazy. You really shouldnt respond to this one, he'll make your normal thinking brain go tilt

        • IsraelFirster

          Slomo is harmless. He just likes to aggravate everyone so I like to return the favor and maybe get him thinking just a little bit. I'm sure when he has his meds or his booze he'll respond to these posts.

          • Schlomotion

            I'm thinking that you used the same rationale (suicide) for Christopher Stevens as used for Rachel Corrie. If they are similar, then the Libyans are similar to the Israelis.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Saint Pancake? Shariamotion, Please go to Syria. I hear the nightlife is exciting. Maybe we will get lucky and your return trip ticket will go unused.
            .

          • IsraelFirster

            The final score on that one was Bulldozer 1 Corrie 0. I can say it was similar if Stevens said to the mob "I'm willing to be killed and dragged through the street. Please do it for Allah".

          • Advocatus

            Yo, Flippo, it's not like you are brave enough to own up to your real identity, are you now?

            What, changing your ID from one inane handle to another (to wit: Flipside to Schlomotion) was some sort of midlife crises that you assume warrant rounds of applause and accolades from the rest of us?

            Try not to hold others to higher standards than you do yourself…. Speaking of which, why don't you do yourself, no offense?

            Carry on.

          • Schlomotion

            Ah, I have already said a number of times that I am Robert Goodwin and go by the name of Flipside. I understand if you have no interest in making use of the open source. It's kind of hard to use, being that it is a source and it's open.

          • Advocatus

            The same Robert Goodwin who Google tells me is a "dynamic trance medium and spiritual teacher," apparently of the White Feather variety?

            Well, that would explain things.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Says the two people hiding under assumed names and one with the appearance of a guest 'parallel profile' to conveniently back up Schlo.

          • Schlomotion

            If that is the length and breadth of your ability, please don't go looking for Sarah Connor.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Shariamotion,

            Happy Nakba!

          • Advocatus

            Why would I? Arnold already found her repeatedly.

          • Schlomotion

            I'll make a deal with you. You use your real name to post and I will accept a ticket to Syria from you.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I'll make a deal with you!

            Why don't you explain who funded and had information on my childhood and family and schools? Schlo, come on, was it part of the trista parsi club that did that background research on me that you leak in dribs and drabs?

          • Schlomotion

            You seem strongly opposed to people speaking on their own behalf. And you are satisfied to merely distract someone. I would say that you have an extremely poor view of your comrades, and a very low set of expectations for reward.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Shariamotion, Thanks for another of your empty, senseless comments which add to your profile.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "I'm thinking that you used the same rationale (suicide) for Christopher Stevens as used for Rachel Corrie. If they are similar"

            Both are dead due to dupe's fantasies about Islam.

            "then the Libyans are similar to the Israelis."

            The Muslim Israelis? Fair enough. If a Muslim wants to live in peace in Israel (or anywhere for that matter), I have no problem with that. Why do you want to drag them in to this when most are peaceful?

          • Kufar Dawg

            Most nazis were peaceful does that redeem nazism?

          • Zionista

            you are harmless because you're irrelevant – and st. pancake got what she deserved just like all the filth in bed with the ISM terrorists.

          • Omar

            Schlomotion, Rachel Corrie was killed by accident. She was trying to block access to a tunnel known for transporting goods to jihadist terrorists. She and the ISM were trying to defend terrorists from justice by obstructing a bulldozer. Remember that Hamas fires rockets into Israel on an almost daily basis.

          • Drakken

            Rachel Corrie got exactly what that traitor deserved, a well earned Darwin Award. I'll celebrate with a few pankakes this morning.

          • Kufar Dawg

            That sounds like an excellent idea, I think I'll have some myself.

    • Advocatus

      Yeah, it's all about the oil. A great and original insight, that. Never heard it before.

      It never ceases to amaze me how you manage to pride yourself on being a freethinker and philosopher king who speaks truth to power all the while you do nothing but recycle tired old talking points in post after post. Truth be told, frequently you spice things up by spewing forth the usual anti-Jewish calumnies and anti-Zionist baloney.

      Carry on.

      • Schlomotion

        I know, right? It's almost as if cars are still driving and using gasoline and oil is still a commodity.

        • Advocatus

          So should I assume that you own no car, you never use modern amenities powered by fossil fuels and you cater to your own power needs with wind turbines set up in your backyard?

          Failing that, you are nothing but a blowhard who takes advantage of the benefits of fossil fuels the same as the rest of us but loves getting on his high horse to decry our dependence on it in a back-slapping bout of phoney self-righteous indignation.

          Yes?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            That about sums it up.
            Perhaps I was too hasty in my early comment.

          • Schlomotion

            I think I do my part by overpaying 400% for it, actually, no matter which party is in office.

          • Advocatus

            And Flippo hedges, fudges, obfuscates and bows out as usual.

            Carry on, old boy.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "I know, right? It's almost as if cars are still driving and using gasoline and oil is still a commodity."

          You are aware of some common sense facts. What is your point?

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Shariamotion, Don't forget that Islam is the self proclaimed "Religion of Peace". Remind us every 9/11.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "Yeah, it's all about the oil. A great and original insight, that. Never heard it before."

        As if oil is somehow not a legitimate commodity to trade. The mere fact that oil is in the region proves that the West is evil for consuming it, and that all of the victims are caused by Western actions.

        Talk about simple-minded.

        Yes, we know that oil trade is a fundamental element of motive and funding of Jihad for that matter. We should buy our oil elsewhere.

        It's also stupid to pretend that the Cold War never happened, or worse that it was a misunderstanding between morally equivalent factions.

        • Kufar Dawg

          OPEC has been running its jihadi monopoly for too many decades now. I wish the Jackal had killed them all when he had the chance.

    • Kufar Dawg

      As usual with your rants, they're long on rhetoric and short on proof.

    • John

      We got oil all over here in America. I have not seen the Russian, Chinese or anyone else pull any oil form the ground in Somalia.

      We went over the because Dan Rather or some other idiot liberal newsman went over there & said looky, looky here, People starving American must do something.

      So we sent food aid through the U.N. which was stolen by the Habr GIdr clan so they could use it as a bargaining chip to force other clans to support them in their bid for power.

      So we sent troops to go after them & keep them from stealing food & using it as a weapon.

      We got paid for our good intentions. that is why when libtard George Clooney suggested we do something about Dharfur, we ignored the tard.

    • http://www.themadjewess.wordpress.com MAD JEWESS

      If a Jew actually agreed with you, Shlomotion, you would say there is a conspiracy…

    • Omar

      Neither Gaddafi nor the Islamists opposing him were any good. Gaddafi despotic regime was supported by the KGB and was aligned with other despotic regimes. The Islamists wanted to overthrow Gaddafi for the sake of having power. As for Russia, hopefully the people will overthrow Putin and replace him with a pro-Western leader that would support NATO and democracy. Putin=Stalin.

    • Mark Anderson

      Of course Mr. Greenfield can only berate dead noble Americans, like all his cowardly conservative friends.

  • PermReader

    The great article.It`s frightening information about the American diplomats filled with sympasy with the Muslims.
    I feel the same towards the American Journalists from the international broadcasting website Radio Freedom/Liberty.

  • Western Spirit

    The Left’s cowardice is showing as it grovels and apologizes for our values—free speech.

    The Left’s “wisdom” once again shows its ugly head, as it does in domestic matters, as it demonstrates weakness to an Arab world that only respects strength.

    The Left’s total lack of common sense will enslave us all if not stopped by a wide-awake America that returns to its values unapologetically including its God, a God of love, that guarantees our freedom.

    • Omar

      The left despises America and its freedoms and democratic system so much that if those same leftists were around during the American Revolution, the left would have supported King George III and the Redcoats. That's how much the left despises freedom. America, Britain, Israel and the rest of the free world must defeat the unholy alliance of radical leftists and Islamists and the imperialist ambitions of that unholy alliance.

  • burt

    I don't think "they sexually assaulted his corpse"….those barbarians HAVE to humiliate their victims before killing: raping his wife and daughters in front of him, cutting a young son to pieces alive, sodomizing men, etc.
    That is real butt (can't call it "face") of "religion of pieces"………………………..
    Our red MSM do not report that, have to go to UK or other places. Soviet Russia or 1939 Germany?

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      We need to humiliate the Islamofascists.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Pig skin coffins.
        It would be cheap, environmentally friendly, biodegradable and light for shipping costs to places the military is engaged.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Actually, If you read the papers, the riots over a movie, cartoon, cloud formation that mocks the false prophet mohammed ends with Muslims killing Muslims. Sounds like a win-win.

          MORE MOHAMMED MOVIES and CARTOONS PLEASE.

          F U mohammed.

      • Sunbeam

        As I've said and said again and again, the only solution is to separate state with religion. These two must not come together hand in hand. It should be a separate entity. The Roman Catholic had it in the dark ages and during its control thru the centuries, Europe faced a tremendous upheaval and chaos so much so that many innocent lives were killed and burn just because of their faith. They'd been accused by the Papal of being heretics and heresies. Isn't this what Islam is repeating? Until mosque and state is separated, we will never be able to experience real peace and order under present condition. We've to pass this legislation and enforcing it. If we can do that, other countries would follow suit. It has to start somewhere right now. We need to fight this together until we achieve it. It will be hard initially. We will see enmity and bitterness for a start, but it will eventually pays.

        • MarkRich

          Yea thats the ticket lets give Islam a good example and I am sure they will see the light and change!!!! I know here in the States those pesky evil Jews and Christians continue to riot, mame and kill thousands and the dhimmitude of them as they ransack mosques and and shoot Muslims in the streets. Yea its all the same- here and over there. So when we change they will change- I get ya!!!! Keep thinking clearly as you are and we all be free and unicorns will fly and peace will flourish and the lion will lie down with the lamb and nirvana will occur and Obama will lead us and Muslims will love us and terrorists will go away and all will be seetness and light….. and… well you get my drift. Hey what herb ya smokin?

        • Kufar Dawg

          Duh, do you think islam was any better at any time in its bloody, violent, intolerant history? Once MuhamMAD became a warlord he personally initiated all the bloody violence, intolerance and antisemitism islam is known for.

    • Martin

      Burt, the same kind in Ramallah grabbed a couple of Israeli reservists whohad lost their way and were tortured and murdered. Oh yes, they took a cell phone and called one of the wives so she could hear her husband being mutilated. and finally slaughtered. You may remember a photo in colour showing one them at a window gleefully laughing holding his bloodied hands out to show his handiwork.

      Yes, Burt, these are the people that the west cultivate in attmepting to bring a modern outlook on life and demand thet Israel release from prison after they have been found guilty of murder. If they had been American, just how would you feel?

      As it is, this article is proof of just how misguided US foreign policy is, in order to placate the EU and the Arabs. Obama and Clinton need to hang their heads in shame!

  • Toecutter

    Condolances to the family of Chris Stevens. And, yes, he was et by the croc. Remember, a crocodile is sly and deceptive, and it will pounce without mercy. Says a lot, yes?

    The USA makes the same mistake over and over when dealing with the Islamic world. That mistake being; engaging with Moslems according to Christian princples. It cannot be done! It does not work! When will you Yanks wake up? When will you learn?! What will it take to make you understand?

    And Yanks still don’t understand irony.

  • ross1948

    I'm not sure such a disparaging piece is appropriate immediately after the man's horrific death.

    But it IS important to recognise the essential evil of the Islamists – here's how our local IslamoNazis are gloating. http://rossrightangle.wordpress.com/2012/09/14/ja

  • popseal

    "Oh, East is East and West is West and ner' the twain shall meet, 'till earth and sky stand presently before God's great judgment seat!" Call Kipling a racist if you like, but he was right about the evil now confronting the West.

  • BLJ

    Stevens was a fool and now he is a dead one. He did not deserve his fate, but when you sleep with the sharks this happens. Islam is a savage cult with no chance of redemption.

    If we had a real leader in the White House this would have never happened. But we have a Muslim piece of crap calling the shots and a fellow Alinskyite as Sec of State. This is truly Alice in Wonderland.

    • amused

      yea , and when Reagan was Pres.We had an Embassy blown up along with 244 Marines who had guns but no ammunition . Who are you hypocrites kidding . ?

    • Kufar Dawg

      Fools rush in where angels fear to tread. Stevens had an epiphany about islam that cost him his life. You don't notice Shrillery or the zero risking their necks in islamofascist states.

  • davarino

    This current foriegn policy is either naive and childish, or strategic and intended. The results are not achieving the stated goal to bring about peace, stability, and democracy. Instead it is emboldening our enemies and bringing about instability, violence, and tyrannical rule. They have traded one dictator for another, but at least they have a friend in the WH, WINK.

    Islamists UNITE

  • karima180

    Best line ever: Does it need men who give up the hopes and dreams of their country to take on the dreams of their enemies without ever realizing where the fatal road of those dreams leads?

    That's the problem: unwittingly taking on the dreams of our enemies. Very well said.

  • LindaRivera

    For Stevens to have studied Islam, means that he KNEW about the terrible cruelty and barbarism taught by the Quran and practised by Quran-obedient Muslims.

    Gaddafi was fighting AGAINST AL-QAEDA. US, France and NATO united with Al-Qaeda and other barbaric terrorists and waged war for many months to defeat Libya and Gaddafi and put excessively cruel Muslim terrorists into power.

    The US/NATO war enabled and empowered the ANTI-Gaddafi Muslims to perpetrate horrific atrocities and genocide of blacks in Libya. Obama, Clinton and our supposed civilized Western leaders were silent about the atrocities and genocide.

    SILENCE IS CONSENT

    US/NATO created hell on earth in Libya.

    STOP THE WEST'S ILLEGAL, IMMORAL wars for Islam!
    Stop supporting global jihad!
    Stop our military dying for Islam!

  • Bluffcreek1967

    Ambassador Christopher Stevens, like so many do-gooder liberals, thought he could tame the Muslim brutes and encourage them to get along with each other. He thought that deep inside, the Libyan rebels were just like him – calm, thoughtful and deeply concerned about human dignity. He wanted to help the transition in Libya so that true democracy could rule the land. But the Libyan rebels, like all followers of the pedophile prophet, don't think the way Ambassador Stevens did. They are not merely fanatical, they are unreasonable. Muslims might employ such useful idiots as Ambassador Stevens for a while, but eventually they will sodomize and murder them because . . . well, they're the 'religion of peace.'

  • LindaRivera

    America is reaping the harvest of horrors they sowed in Libya. Gaddafi was hunted down by a US/NATO aircraft enabling his violent beating and savage sexual assault by Muslims. The exact same thing that was done to Christoper Stevens.

    This is what happens when you COOPERATE with, and EMPOWER EVIL.

    The West must stop empowering barbaric Muslims! The West must stop supporting global jihad!
    The West must stop waging wars for totalitarian Islam!

    Our world and civilization is being destroyed by Western leaders!

  • LindaRivera

    Western leaders must stop doing everything in their power to bring to power the most cruel, barbaric terrorists who are fighting against Assad in Syria!

    Assad's government is secular and has protected Christians. Syria's Christians are being specifically targeted and murdered by U.S. backed Muslim terrorists!

    Save our beautiful and extremely MERCIFUL Western civilization! Stop colonizing our countries with hundreds of millions of the soldiers of Allah who are committed to our conquest!

    STOP SUPPORTING GLOBAL JIHAD!

    Stop fighting wars for totalitarian Islam!

    • Ghostwriter

      Ms. Rivera,I've been hearing about what's been going on in Syria,and I'm no fan of Assad. He's been butchering his own people. This guys is in the same league as the Islamists! Please wake up and smell reality.

      • Rationalist

        Ghostwriter, smell what reality? The reality that both sides in Syria are equally evil, violent and intolerant? And how exactly are we supposed to choose side in that war and why should we prefer the rebel Islamists to fascistic Asad? There are no good guys there, and if any , too few to have any influence.

      • LindaRivera

        US-Backed Rebels Committing Christian Genocide In Syria
        Christians are being systematically targeted for genocide in Syria according to Vatican and other sources with contacts on the ground among the besieged Christian community. According to reports by the Vatican's Fides News Agency collected by the Centre for the Study of Interventionism, the US-backed Free Syrian Army rebels and ever more radical spin-off factions are sacking Christian churches, shooting Christians dead in the street, broadcasting ultimatums that all Christians must be cleansed from the rebel-held villages, and even shooting priests… http://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?…

        This is also on http://www.aina.org/news/20120615125537.htm
        and other sites.

    • Kufar Dawg

      I met a Syrian Jewish family once in my ACT for America chapter, they didn't share your enthusiasm for Assad. The only difference between Assad and the islamofascists that run Syria now will be the level of persecution experienced by non-muslims.

      • LindaRivera

        Kufar Dawg, Your statement is unbelievable. I have ZERO enthusiasm for that person. I have read several articles that the Christians were reasonably safe under Assad and that the Christians are being deliberately targeted and murdered by the U.S. backed rebel terrorists. It is now open season on the Christians. God help them! Western leaders are devoid of all ethics. They are constantly taking the side of the most barbaric Muslim terrorists.

        • Kufar Dawg

          I see your point, but Assad wasn't as liberal and tolerant as the Shah was — at least not for Syria's vanished Jewish population.

          • LindaRivera

            You are right. It was the most horrible crime and sin against God that Islam-lover Carter got rid of the Shah in order to bring in the most radical Islamics. Disgusting.

      • LindaRivera

        US-Backed Rebels Committing Christian Genocide In Syria
        Christians are being systematically targeted for genocide in Syria according to Vatican and other sources with contacts on the ground among the besieged Christian community. According to reports by the Vatican's Fides News Agency collected by the Centre for the Study of Interventionism, the US-backed Free Syrian Army rebels and ever more radical spin-off factions are sacking Christian churches, shooting Christians dead in the street, broadcasting ultimatums that all Christians must be cleansed from the rebel-held villages, and even shooting priests… http://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?…

        This is also on http://www.aina.org/news/20120615125537.htm
        and other sites.

  • kingofdisco

    Thought the author might like to check this out for synchronicity. Here, it was Chef de Cabinet who took le Vieux out to the middle of the lake. Should put a spanner in the works of the one world socialist plan to replace soldiers with an army of culturally sensitive Peace Corp volunteers. But they are sometimes as keen on martyrdom as the mob they feed, so no doubt recruitment will sky rocket. I think I'd rather have le Vieux's job, which requires focus and dexterity, and is a genuine crowd pleaser. And where the croc is concerned, there is no change of character to worry about. One trip and you're dinner!
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19576296

  • Andy

    The crocodile analogy is not bad. These prehistoric reptiles have a primitive intelligence with an instinct for self- preservation. I recall a film documentary on Africa in which there was a scene in a small pond which had shrunk during the dry season and in which animals crowded shoulder to shoulder. There was a mother hippo with her infant next to a giant crocodile. The crocodile kept eyeing the infant hippo which he could have and would have devoured if not for the huge mother hippo next to him. He knew she could bite him in half so he remained hungry but alive. Folks relegated to primitive and impoverished lives by their religion have the same type of intelligence as the croc. They'll play the role of saints when they know that they can easily be killed. None of the U.S. Embassies in volatile countries get adequate security and the blame goes right to the top.

  • UCSPanther

    There's a lot of irony in Stevens' messed up death.

  • Western Spirit

    They surely sodomized him before they killed him. It's much more "fun" and humiliating.

  • johan

    It is a must and high time that we stop muslims from further invading western countries.

  • https://www.facebook.com/mike.villano.71 Mike Villano

    Jackflash,
    This article makes perfect sense and if you actually believe the current application of US Foreign policy at the moment reflects or represents US national interests or contributes to global or regional security in a positive way, then I have this really awesome bridge for sale in NY available at a great price.

  • mlcblog

    …the degree of American intervention in the overthrow of Gaddafi.

    To me, this is the real story here.

    We bleeding-heart do-gooder liberals were repelled from the depths of the Oakland ghetto just as the people of the MIddle East spit out these Berkeley know-it-alls, who go there with their supposedly superior ways to "help" the poor people, all so they can feel good and noble.

    It is so sick. It reminds me of the liberals from my grandmother's time (1930's) who wanted to go out and help the "darkies."

    How very grand of them!!

    Yuk.

    • amused

      Spoken like the true racist misfit that you are mlcblog , and judging by your picture , too old and stupid to even realize it . LOL….you even put down your own grandparents for the sake of your rabid dog political idiology .
      Shame on you , or both of you / whoever is doing the keyboard work.

      • mlcblog

        Shame is being heaped upon me when my comment has been completely misunderstood. The entire point was missed.

  • Soylent Green

    Obviously, this is merely another occurrence of workplace violence.

    • amused

      Obvious only to your sick and dimented parrot mind .

      • Kufar Dawg

        I don't notice you condemning the actions of the islamofascist vermin who carried out the attack on the US embassy, nor do I ever notice you condemning the actions of islamofascists.

  • Ghostwriter

    Let's be honest here. Anti-Americanism in the Muslim world is as natural as breathing. It's what many of them are. Must eat,must breathe,must hate America and Americans sums up how the overwhelming majority of Muslims feel about America.

  • amused

    You people are sick . These Americans died for their countrty .Unfortunately the impetus of the events that brough about their deaths , was a filthy lieing COWARD , who made a films , treicking his own cast and crew , then lied about 100 Israeli Jews financing this film . A genuine P.O.S. who is now hiding from the notoriety which will put his life in danger , and all you BRAINWASHED MORONS can do is denigrate their deaths , and make another strawman against those who you percieve in your warped minds as " the enemy ' -fellow Americans .When in reality the enemy here in this instance is neither left or right , but a relatively unknown [ but not to law enforcement ] P.O.S./ Syre the muslims are miserable barbarians , but who has the right to intentionally sacrifice innocent lives for them to so egreigiously take . There is no CRITICAL THOUGHT taking place here on this thread and blog , just blind rabid hatred . What a sorry pathetic lot you are .

    • Realist

      The problem was not the film but the Muslims. I am sure you were nowhere complaining when Brooklyn Museum exhibited a "painting" of the Madonna made of an elephant dung. When Giuliani protested the event, he was severely criticized by the same people who want to curtail free speech to appease Muslims.

    • MarkRich

      God you are full of yourself. What a pathetic joke you are. Yea the guy who made the film is a joke, but he had the right. You and your kind- self righteous pretentious fool who thinks his shi- dont stink attack everyone else as an idiot- which makes you irrelevant.

    • Drakken

      Leftist useful idiots like you who are all about feelings instead of facts,logic and common sense remind me of the battered wife syndrome, if I only try to make him happy he won't beat me anymore. Your a pathetic excuse of an American who will not stand up and fight for the American ideal, only what feels good. In case is has escaped your superior liberal intellect, this is going to get a hell of lot worse and your going to be just as much of a target as the next guy, the question is? What are you going to do?

    • Omar

      Amused, the Islamists identify themselves with the left, since the left and the Islamists are in an alliance against democracy. The U.S., UK, Israel and the rest of the free world are trying to defeat the unholy alliance of the far-left and radical Islamists.

  • Dick Lancaster

    It appears Stevens suffered from what psycologists call, "investment." Once you've spent a lifetime believing in anything it's hard to change even if it's blatantly obvious your belief system is false. I believe laymen refer to it as, "political correctness."

  • UCSPanther

    I'd like to see you try.

    The end result: You will be hiding in a bunker preparing to end it all as you once again suffer defeat.

  • UCSPanther

    Paddle faster, I hear banjos.

    Now squeal like a piggy, boy. I hear you have a real pretty mouth…

  • Nalliah Thayabharan

    We are tired of games played by banking, media and oil cartels for power and profit. We are tired of hatred and conflict. We must restore and revive our humanity. We must change the world where everybody can live with dignity, peace and happiness. America is hoist with its own petard. Muammar Gaddafi must be guffawing wherever he may be!

    • amused

      no Gaddafi is dead , Al Queda saw an opportunity and took it , of course that being provided by some very stupid Americans . As for you pathetically cynical remark ? No America paid the price for the majority of Libyans . Tired of hatred and conflict ? SOLUTION = ROUND UP ALL MUSLIMS AND PUT THEM IN ONE GEOGRAPHICAL PLACE …..where they can wreak havoc upon themselves , making for happier muslims .

  • corinne

    excuse me–but india is also an atomic power–so what are you sqawking about!

  • stevef

    Wonderful essay….thank you.

  • joel

    No Achmed, its already been shown that the producer was a Coptic Christian who produced the film without any Jewish financing. Yes, the Grey Lady, and the alphabet soup of other Progressive news outlets immediately spouted the nonsense that you do. It was a good chance to to denigrate Jews, Israel and America ,all in one breath, which they just could not resist. But , truth will out, at least as long as The One does not get reelected. After that time, ..well , I suppose it will be Forward to Arbeit macht frei

  • pennant8

    One thing that separates us from the jihadis is that they think in the long-term, we do not. Not only do we not think in the long-term, we refuse to acknowledge that the jihadis have a long-term goal and are systematically, deliberately and methodically working toward that goal and they have no time schedule. These murders and uprisings are just one more carefully planned episode on the way to their ultimate goal.

    • a german

      I beg to differ.
      Our representatives suck at long-term thinking.
      In strange contrast to that, democracy as a system proved to be very effective at it. Fascism as well as communism learned that truth the hard way.

      The same is true for the jihadis: They play us, as individuals, very well but they don't know squat about "the west" as a whole.
      We're slow as hell in decision making, but if you don't defeat us in 5 years term, then, the harder you came, the harder you fall.

  • LindaRivera

    Western leaders have imported many millions of these perpetually rabidly angry, perpetually rabidly violent Muslims into our Western countries. The hate and violence is coming to a country, city or town near you soon. Our treasonous Western leaders are responsible for destroying the safety of every non-Muslim.

  • david horowitz

    As Romney attacks Obama for blaming the victim (Sam Bacile [sic] is the victim??), Greenfield refers to Stevens as the 'useful idiot.' A recent line from Jon Huntsman is relevant here: "This was an opportunity to instruct, to elucidate, to talk about how you put the pieces back together again in North Africa and the Middle East. Not to condemn, not to criticize, not to turn it into a political event…"

    • gray ma

      If you are the real David Horowitz, I wouldn't use a quote from Jon Huntsman – he is a useful idiot – still: a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while.

      • amused

        I doubt it's the real David Horowitz , for he would avoid stepping in this pile of steaming shiiit that Greenfield dropped .

        • Kufar Dawg

          All your arguments are nothing more than piling it deeper and higher so why should you mind?

  • Selmainboca

    come to my mansion shawnee – I need a goyish troll to scrub my floors.

  • BS77

    DeShawn. the man who lives in a garbage bag. What keeps you going? I guess you are like most primitive life forms….you just keep moving without much reason or knowledge.

  • BS77

    Oh De Shawn made a Boo Boo and it hurts!!!! De Shawn stink cause he never wipe He be a baby with a loud mouth……oh look, now DeShawn gettin mad…..whoo weeee….De Shawn really stink today

  • A. Keen Observer

    Excellent article. And to Christopher Stevens: Good Riddance to Bad Garbage!

    • amused

      what a pathetic statement regarding a man in service to his country . keen observer ? hardly ……asssslicker ? most definitely . no wonder the conservatives and republicans are wallowing in the same swill …..plenty of imbeciles like you , the perfect sycophant and lackey .

  • guest

    He is like the Democrats at the DNC welcoming muslim delegates. Their ends will be the same if these bearded monkeys get the upper hand.

  • amused

    De Shawn , what can I say , you're just a schmuck . A christian Group , a knon felon ,and an anti-islam veteran ,were reponsible for this film .And it was NOT funded by Jews , but rather a christian group .You're just as bad as the rest of these suckers here when t comes to intelligence and the LACK THEREOF .

  • Justlinen

    of course, we should be control in our position.

    • amused

      learn how to write an intelligable sentence Justlinen .

  • Western Spirit

    Muslims hate the US because our values are the opposite of Islam's Sharia law and Koran. So we represent the enemy to be destroyed not tolerated.

  • http://www.facebook.com/matt.bracken.98 Matt Bracken

    The Farmer and the Snake (Aesop's Fables)

    One winter a farmer found a snake stiff and frozen with cold. He had compassion on it, and taking it up, placed it in his bosom. The warmth quickly revived the Snake, and resuming its natural instincts, bit its benefactor, inflicting on him a mortal wound. "Oh," cried the farmer with his last breath, "I am rightly served for pitying a scoundrel."

    The lesson: The greatest kindness will not bind the ungrateful.

    • MarkRich

      Exactly. But the lesson is lost on leftists as it violates their leftist religion.

      • Kufar Dawg

        I'd imagine the scum that floats at the top of the lieberal cesspool only believes in the islamofascist petrodollars they get paid as bribes.

  • amused

    Greenfield , by branding Stevens a "usefull idiot " you prove exactly what kind of vile bullsheeet expectorates from your mouth . An American , in the Diplomatic Corps loses his life because of some punk/coward ./idiot in California , and you denigrate this person who gave his life just as surely as any serviceman has , and THIS piece of rubbish essay is exposing the contents of a truly vile anti-American mind . Shame on you .

    • MarkRich

      I am amused.

      • amused

        ask me if I give a F–K .

        • MarkRich

          Naw I will pass because its mutual azzclown