Gun Control is Evil Misspelled

If you’re the biblically minded sort, then the trouble began when a jealous Cain clubbed Abel to death, but if you’re evolutionarily minded, then it’s a “chicken and egg” question. Violence had no beginning, except perhaps in the Big Bang; it was always here, coded into the DNA.

The issue isn’t really guns. Guns are how we misspell evil. Guns are how we avoid talking about the ugly realities of human nature while building sandcastles on the shores of utopia.

The obsession with guns, rather than machetes, stone clubs, crossbows or that impressive weapon of mass death, the longbow (just ask anyone on the French side of the Battle of Agincourt) is really the obsession with human agency. It’s not about the fear of what one motivated maniac can do in a crowded place, but about the precariousness of social control that the killing sprees imply.

Mostly it’s about people who are sheltered from the realities of human nature trying to build a shelter big enough for everyone. A Gun Free Zone where everyone is a target and tries to live under the illusion that they aren’t. A society where everyone is drawing unicorns on colored notepaper while waiting under their desks for the bomb to fall.

After every shooting there are more zero tolerance policies in schools that crack down on everything from eight-year-olds making POW POW gestures with their fingers to honor students who bring pocket knives to school. And then another shooting happens and then another one and they wouldn’t happen if we just had more zero tolerance policies for everyone and everything.

Zero tolerance for the Second Amendment makes sense. If you ban all guns, except for those in the hands of the 708,000 police officers, the 1.5 million members of the armed forces, the countless numbers of security guards, including those who protect banks and armored cars, the bodyguards of celebrities who call for gun control, and any of the other people who need a gun to do their job, then you’re sure to stop all the shootings.

So long as none of those millions of people, or their tens of millions of kids, spouses, parents, grandchildren, girlfriends, boyfriends, roommates and anyone else who has access to them and their living spaces, carries out one of those shootings.

But this isn’t really about stopping shootings; it’s about controlling when they happen. It’s about making sure that everyone who has a gun is in some kind of chain of command. It’s about the belief that the problem isn’t evil, but individual agency, that if we make sure that everyone who has guns is following orders, then control will be asserted and the problem will stop. Or if it doesn’t stop, then at least there will be someone higher up in the chain of command to blame. Either way authority is sanctified, control or the illusion of it, maintained.

We’ll never know the full number of people who were killed by Fast and Furious. We’ll never know how many were killed by Obama’s regime change operation in Libya, with repercussions in Mali and Syria. But everyone involved in that was following orders. There was no individual agency, just agencies. No lone gunman who just decided to go up to a school and shoot kids. There were orders to run guns to Mexico and the cartel gunmen who killed people with those guns had orders to shoot. There was nothing random or unpredictable about it. Or as the Joker put it, “Nobody panics when things go according to plan. Even if the plan is horrifying.”

Gun control is the assertion that the problem is not the guns; it’s the lack of a controlling authority for all those guns. It’s the individual. A few million people with little sleep, taut nerves and PTSD are not a problem so long as there is someone to give them orders. A hundred million people with guns and no orders is a major problem. Historically though it’s the millions of people with guns who follow orders who have been more of a problem than millions of people with guns who do not.

Moral agency is individual. You can’t outsource it to a government and you wouldn’t want to. The bundle of impulses, the codes of character, the concepts of right and wrong, take place at the level of the individual. Organizations do not sanctify this process. They do not lift it above its fallacies, nor do they even do a very good job of keeping sociopaths and murderers from rising high enough to give orders. Organizations are the biggest guns of all, and some men and women who make Lanza look like a man of modestly murderous ambitions have had their fingers on their triggers and still do.

Gun control will not really control guns, but it will give the illusion of controlling people, and even when it fails those in authority will be able to say that they did everything that they could short of giving people the ability to defend themselves.

We live under the rule of organizers, community and otherwise, whose great faith is that the power to control men and their environment will allow them to shape their perfect state into being, and the violent acts of lone madmen are a reminder that such control is fleeting, that utopia has its tigers, and that attempting to control a problem often makes it worse by removing the natural human crowdsourced responses that would otherwise come into play.

The clamor for gun control is the cry of sheltered utopians believing that evil is a substance as finite as guns, and that getting rid of one will also get rid of the other. But evil isn’t finite and guns are as finite as drugs or moonshine whiskey, which is to say that they are as finite as the human interest in having them is. And unlike whiskey or heroin, the only way to stop a man with a gun is with a gun.

People do kill people and the only way to stop people from killing people is by killing them first. To a utopian this is a moral paradox that invalidates everything, but to everyone else, it’s just life in a world where evil is a reality, not just a word.

An armed society spends more time stopping evil than contemplating it. It is the disarmed society that is always contemplating it as a thing beyond its control. Helpless people must find something to think about while waiting for their lords to do something about the killing. Instead of doing something about it themselves, they blame the agency of the killer in being free to kill, rather than their own lack of agency for being unable to stop him.

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  • Thomas Wells

    It is a lot easier to turn responsibility over to the agents of the state than to exercise it yourself. A group of free individuals using their rights and responsibilities produces one type of society; passing the buck and accepting the dictates of party liners, produces a different one. You pay your money and you take your choice.

    • http://www.adinakutnicki.com AdinaK

      There is a price to pay for a free society. And the fact that EVIL people commit HORRIFIC acts will never be eliminated, but according to the thought control left that doesn't matter.And yours truly is no stranger to tragedy, but she still sees reality. Thank heavens.

      And the way to become truly enslaved is to allow the leadership to control EVERYTHING, even to the point of who is allowed to be armed. So imagine what happens when a thugocracy is in charge – hint:Obama regime – and citizens are at their mercy. And the only ones with guns are criminals (who will ALWAYS find them) and the leadership. How's that for total control?

      And the fact of the matter is that this EVIL leadership did not renew the funding for school safety 2 ! times during their rule, but now they are crying a river over these tragic victims, knowing full well that an armed school guard could have stopped the carnage!

      Now, this blogger knows what she is talking about. While living in the US, my sons attended two schools in a similar suburb, but in Bergen County, NJ. Despite the fact that few things happened in this upscale community, not only were the guards armed, but there was no way in hell anyone was getting onto their campuses without passing multiple layers of security. And this was in private prep school!

      And public schools depend on fed dollars for these programs and there was none!

      In any case, Obama and gang are gunning for the gun rights, not from criminals but from 'Teabaggers' and Vets -http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/12/10/another-bullseye-painted-on-the-backs-of-u-s-military-vets-addendum-to-the-hunt-against-vets-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki/

      Adina Kutnicki, Israel – http://www.adinakutnicki.com/about/

      • Joe Ordinary

        Every Principal and a percentage of teachers should have training and access to a weapon nearby.

  • RedWhiteAndJew

    Last I heard, the guns Lanza used to murder all those innocents, are the same sidearms used by a majority of police officers in the country, today. If guns are to blame, how can we tolerate that the very same weapons rest on the hips of law enforcement. If these guns are to blame for these murders, they can't possible be a deterrent to crime…they are crime embodied in plastic and steel. Surely, police must be denied these instruments of death.

    Unless guns aren't to blame, of course.

    • Sandy Kramer
      • Mary Sue

        that should be required reading in every school.

    • scum

      Did you ask that question with a straight face? Actually, in the 80s the LAPD was so outmatched by Bloods/Crips with AK47s that they started using dum-dums, which had been banned internationally b/c of their design to inflict maximum physical damage.

      • Mary Sue

        Idiots often mistake what are really semi-automatics for "automatic weapons" because they have no idea what they're talking about.

        the bloods and crips are an anomaly and you can bet your last brain cell not one of them got a legally-acquired AK.

    • JOJOWASAMAN2

      Thanks………. SOOOOOOOOO right. I am one of the people who survived hurricane Katrina. The police did NOT protect my family. I did with a semi auto firearm….. Many of the police left the city, some who stayed looted unprotected property and a few murdered innocent unarmed citizens.
      (If you don't believe me, look up" Danzinger Bridge Murders".) PLEASE America don't give up our right to defend ourselves………………

  • JacksonPearson

    Dear God, why do you allow so much violence in our schools?
    Signed, a concerned Student

    Dear Student, I'm not allowed in schools.
    –God

    Thanks to Liberals

    • Guy

      How can one disallow that which does not exist?

      • http://ParadigmsandDemographics Rich Kozlovich

        It is amazing how so many blame so much on “that which does not exist”! It is also interesting that when there is more wide spread ‘disallowance’ as a result of even more wide spread “disavowing” there is far less concern about morality, since those who decry ‘that which does not exist’ push the idea that there is nothing is really right and nothing is really wrong.

        In decades gone by there were more guns per ratio and less ‘disavowing’. The result? There was far more obedience to the values and rules instituted by ‘that which does not exist’. In fact….I don’t remember one of these massacres taking place when I was growing up. I think this is a clear case of coherence through connectives. When there is no god there is no morality.

        The statists want the state to be the moral arbiter of all for all while having no moral base as a touchstone for judgment. Mankind is incapable of being omniscient or omnipotent. These statists that would impose some ethereal form of morality on an unsuspecting world when it lacks any firm values that would allow it to even be consistent.

        • http://twitter.com/ygalg @ygalg

          this is rubbish. we have the ability to distinguish right from wrong by experience an example the feel of joy or pain. satisfaction or dissatisfaction. experiments and so on.

          god is an invention and people able to sorted out right or wrong with this imaginary character it is same as without it.

          • JacksonPearson

            "god is an invention"

            Invented by whom? Name some names?

          • ApolloSpeaks

            God invented man and is the measure of man and all things human.

          • JacksonPearson

            Yes… :o)

          • http://twitter.com/ygalg @ygalg

            our ancestors who at that time were of yet to discover science.

          • JacksonPearson

            Weak response. Something can't be created from nothing, so where did your/our ancestors come from?

          • Dave

            Evolution. Get some common sense.

          • Mary Sue

            Oh come on, that doesn't answer the question. Evolution is just a vehicle for a process. It doesn't and cannot explain the origin of the Universe itself, as any proper biologist will tell you.

          • JacksonPearson

            They can't answer questions, because they're stuck on anti-Christ talking points, and everyone with any common sense knows what part of hell those evolved from!

          • KDKO

            You're an idiot, Jackson.

        • Fritz

          That reminds me of a quote I heard from Feodor Dostoyevsky's Crime and Punishment. It goes something to the effect, "Without God everything is moral". Whether or not God actually exists in the physical sense is irrelevant, the fact is that in Western Judeao-Christian culture man is considered flawed, God is considered without flaw, therefore that which does not emanate from God and emanates from man must be flawed. I doubt even the atheists would suggest that there is the perfect man, so how can man devise a perfect system of morality or government? We have had several decades worth of this by now, generations have been taught that God is fictional, individuals do not matter, collectives do, and everything is moral until the state (constructed and administered by men who are inherently flawed) tells them it's not.

      • http://twitter.com/ygalg @ygalg

        indeed, god has nothing to do with it. its in human psych alone. in israel years ago we had an incident of a man shooting co-workers after being fired. israel is a country where god is prominent. that did not stop the shootings. people who bring god into this, distort the facts.

        • Dave

          No true "god" would advocate that his subordinates whom he orders to live peacefully acquire weapons of death.

          • Walt

            You mean like a rock, knife, 2×4, piece of iron pipe, poison, bow & arrow, piece of rope, etc.

      • JacksonPearson

        There's more than ample proof that God exists. It's a moot argument. He'll be here today, tomorrow, and past the end of time….Eternity.

        The Lord’s Prayer
        When the disciples asked Jesus to teach them to pray, He gave them a simple 6 step pattern to follow, known as the “Lord’s Prayer.” Jesus didn’t intend for us to just pray the same words he spoke in Matthew 6:9, He intended it to be an outline for prayer. Use each verse of the Lord’s prayer as a guideline to help keep your prayer-time on track.

        “Pray, then, in this way:”
        Step 1, “Our Father Who art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy name.” This is the call to praise and worship. Take time to honor the Lord and consider His greatness. Remember His faithfulness to you and be encouraged by His promises.

        Step 2, “Thy kingdom come Thy will be done, On earth as it is in heaven.” Align yourself with God’s will, and listen so you can know His desires. Proclaim God’s will over your life, family, church, the lost, etc. Wait and allow the Lord to share His heart and will with you.

        Step 3, “Give us this day our daily bread.” Ask God for your needs and the needs of others. Be specific, and ask in faith for anything you know the Lord wants to give you, i.e. Ask and I will give you the nations as an inheritance. (see step 2).

        Step 4, “And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.” Ask God for forgiveness in any areas of known sin, and speak out forgiveness toward anyone you have not forgiven.

        Step 5, “And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil.” Ask God for the grace to stand firm in the face of temptation and resist the schemes of the enemy. Remembering to look to Jesus for the way of escape.

        Step 6, “For Thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever. Amen.” Finish with proclaiming who God is and exalting His name. Take time to thank Him for the answers to come, and to worship Him.

        Works for me….

        • http://twitter.com/ygalg @ygalg

          you claim ample proof and yet none provided. whose this father of yours? jesus (a god who was crucified???) ? or YHWH (jealous god that commands genocides) ?

          • JacksonPearson

            As stated, proof of God's existence has been argued by pro and con scholars world wide and is a moot issue, however FYI:

            The Bible is over 5000 years of living, uncorrupted historical facts, of the Word of God;
            Hundreds of prophecies have proven of the Bible's correctness, and more prophecies are to be revealed, some that will automatically put atheists like you in hell;
            Biblical archaeological findings have proven and have solidified the Old and New Testaments.

            The very being of the City of Jerusalem have proven atheists wrong.

            The Dead Sea Scrolls find have proven the authenticity of the Bible;
            Near death experiences (NDE) of heaven and hell have proven atheists wrong;
            Authenticating the exact Red Crossing by Moses and the Jews from Egypt have proven Exodus; plus, locating the exact mountain top where Moses met with God to except the Ten Commandments have been found; plus, the exact locations of Sodom and Gomorrah have been found; and probably the most exciting Biblical find yet, have been the Ark of the Covenant….you know what the Ark is dontcha, that pesky thing that holds God's Laws called the Ten Commandments, and all Mosaic law. All of the above kind of shoot your atheistic BS down.


            BTW, strange isn't it, that people like you keep insisting that God doesn't exist, but nary a word is uttered from your keyboard bashing Satan…how come?

          • http://twitter.com/ygalg @ygalg

            the authenticity of the bible does not validate god is real. extraordinary claims ruquier extraordinary evidences.

            why would I refer to satan at all if god is invalid? odd suggestion. god like satan resides in the biblical texts.

          • JacksonPearson

            'the authenticity of the bible does not validate god is real. extraordinary claims ruquier extraordinary evidences."

            Another weak response. I gave you ample and cursory proof above of God's existence. Yet, other than regurgitated Satanic talking points, you can't provide proof that God doesn't exist? In essence, you have nothing but nothing to contribute.

            God = 1
            @ygalg = 0

          • Dave

            The god stuff is pure lunacy. How many atheists commit suicide bombings?

            Btw, if it was knives instead of guns would giving everyone a knife make us safer?

            It's like saying more nuclear weapons mean more peace. The gun nuts are truly insane.

          • JacksonPearson

            On God (spelled with a capital G): Problem is, other than your opinion, you can't prove what I posted was fact-less, false or wrong!

            On guns and knives: You exposed your ignorance. Try living in a Utopian, unarmed society? You'll probably get beaten over the head with a club, or baseball bat, with a nail sticking out the end…..then what?.

          • Mary Sue

            You're asking the wrong question. Atheists do other things, just ask the survivors of Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, and Che Guevara's actions.

            Knife usage is a little tricky, compared to gun usage.

            And yes, you idiot, more nuclear weapons DO mean more peace. What on earth did you think MAD was about?

            The anti-gun nuts are truly without logic or sanity.

          • ApolloSpeaks

            Prove that you're self-created and I'll cease to believe in the existence of an Uncreated Being and First Cause of things.

      • ApolloSpeaks

        If God doesn't exist then everything is permitted including the mass murder of children to gratify one's ego.

    • CatK

      Bravo!

      • CatK

        Bravo was to not allowing the mention of God in schools. Why do we continue to let the atheist religion become the religion of the land anyway?

        • JacksonPearson

          Atheist wins are hollow. As I stated in previous posts, life on earth is short and temporary. Whereas heaven and hell are eternal. I'll take my chances with God, and Christ before a handful of zeros.

          • KDKO

            Taking your chances leading a boring, boxed-in, ignorant life with the only existence you'll ever have seems like a ridiculously idiotic choice to me.

    • scum

      Gee, I thought it was the founders………………..

  • pierce

    The tragedy that happened in Newtown has absolutely nothing to do with gun control. People are looking for excuses, not causes, and the causes are what we should be looking for, and at. There has to be an anger festering inside the head, identify it. But it could be too much intervention on the part of GOVERNMENT. This is not the same country I grew up in, and GOVERNMENT has made it more complicated, and is making more complicated every day. So, "BUTT OUT". How did we ever survive our 1st 200 years?

    • ApolloSpeaks

      The tragedy has everything to do with a young man who was out of control.

  • freemind

    The weapons of today are to powerful fot the common people to handle it. There must be a limitation to the automatic guns and rifles,explosives and the quantity of ammo for the legal semi-automatic. In this case, the european experience and model had shown worthly.

    • RedWhiteAndJew

      Your mind is anything but free. It is also filled with garbage.

      On the spectrum of "powerful weapons," the ones that Lanza used were on the low low end of the spectrum. Yet, it is guns just like these which are used by criminals in the vast majority of crimes. It is also guns like these, as I noted above, which are used by law enforcement to protect themselves.

      There must be a limitation to the automatic guns and rifles

      "Guns and rifles," you say? Last time I checked, a rifle was a gun. Whatever. Automatic weapons have very strict limits on them. Very few people own such (except for cops and other agents of the government).

      Explosives

      There are strict controls on who may own or trade in explosives. It is also quite easy to make powerful explosives at home with easily obtained ingredients. All it takes is a little knowledge and the will.

      quantity of ammo for the legal semi-automatic

      BS. The last few maniacs shooting at crowds of innocents did so in places where they knew no one would be shooting back at them. It takes a second to reload. If I saw someone coming my way with a large magazine extending way beyond the grip of a Glock, I would be more confident in an opportunity to return fire without risk, as those magazines often cause jams, which take longer to clear than the reload of a reliable, normal capacity magazine. (This is what happened to Loudner, BTW.)

      • Mary Sue

        freemind's mind is empty! ;)

      • Joe Ordinary

        If there were one or two weapons available in the school in such an emergency, it would have been less bad.

    • Mary Sue

      You don't know anything about guns at all, emptymind.

    • pagegl

      The European model has shown no such thing. People who wish to do harm are going to acquire guns, explosives, whatever it takes to achieve their ends. Have you forgotten Brevik, the Islamic terrorist attacks in London and Spain. If the European model is so much better, please explain the info given in tjhis article:
      http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/229929/gun

    • Fritz

      You mean like Anders Brevik in Norway? Norway has very strict gun control laws and the result was a massacre delivered by an individual determined to circumvent them. Not to mention that there was also a biker war in Scandinavia around the turn of the century, gun laws did nothing about the Hell's Angels and other gangs. The European experience has also given the world two world wars, a holocaust, numerous police states, dictatorships, financial collapses, and a handful of genocides to boot.

    • tagalog

      The weapons of today are routinely handled by the "common people," both those commoners who join the service and become various kinds of weaponeers, and by people who have never spent a moment in uniform, who are just interested in weapons. You'd be surprised at what kinds of weapons you can get to learn about and fire if you just show some interest.

      In about 99.99999999% of cases, no threat to anyone exists from using the weapons of today. About the same number of shooters shoot targets, either stationary ones, or while moving (referred to sometimes as "runnin' and gunnin'") in combat simulations.

    • Stephen_Brady

      Ridiculous. I'm 64 years old, and I handle my Barrett .50-calibre rifle quite handily, thank you …

      In this case, the european experience and model had shown worthly.

      Tell it to the Norwegians …

  • David Gardiner

    I think it's pretty ridiculous to argue that gun control wouldn't make a difference to the incidence of random shootings, and to 'ordinary' gun crime as well. If we all had the right to go around with flame throwers there would be a lot more fires. It's plain common sense. If we were allowed to carry machetes through shopping malls more people would get slashed. There's always a mentally ill person who'll misuse weapons and go berserk if if they're easily available. Why aren't we all allowed to own tanks, and heavy artillery, and have private gas chanbers in our back yards? It's just as rational as selling guns on every street corner. In the UK ALL handguns are banned and hunting rifles and the like highly controlled. Result: almost no random killings or gun crime. And nobody sane misses them. Wouldn't it be worth doing if it saved just one human life? What's the point of having more guns than people? Where is the common sense? Please explain.

    • Adam

      Read a history book and look up why Americans left England and came here to found this country. History will repeat itself but instead of being ruled by Kings you are on the road to sharia law. No random killings but you are becoming Londonstan. You do not need guns because you relinquished your freedom a long time ago. You will wish you had guns in the future.

      • cassandra

        That is right Adam. I am from Belgium and they have strict gun control like the UK. I went back to live there in 2002 until 2008 and during the short period I was there, there were several crimes committed with guns in Belgium. One of them was the shooting of children and their caregivers in a pre-school. The gunman was young too and ended up in a insane asylum. Another shooting was done by an Arab Belgian . He randomly shot at people on a very busy market place in Liege, and there again several were killed by guns. .They discovered many guns at his house and drugs. Several jewellery stores were robed in Brussels by people with guns.One of them was pretty awful. The two Arab Belgian who worked for the public transport system in Brussels, as security guards, after they attempted to rob a jewelry store, tried to steal a car stopped at a red light, and they killed the woman driver a mother of three children. Knives is also a big think in Brussels always by Belgian Arabs. I do not remember all the killings but I know there were more and with guns. So what Daniel Green says is true:human nature will never change. I cannot believe that in the UK there is no crime with guns or other killing instrument. IMPOSSIBLE. Belgium bans guns but if you go in certain neighborhoods where the police does not go (lots of Russian and Arab mafia there) you can easily buy a gun there and it will not be registered. And remember Belgium is known for making guns. So all these crimes happened in little Belgium, the size of Maryland. The constant covering of the totally bias press is not helping in this either. They blame the guns like they blamed the movie on Mohammed for Bengazy..

        • JacksonPearson

          Australia imposed gun control laws, and crime skyrocketed. The good were disarmed, and criminals kept theirs.

    • NADS

      1. Actually violent crime when UP after gun control was implemented in UK, Australia, & Canada.
      2. Here in the USA there's this document called the BILL OF RIGHTS.

    • RedWhiteAndJew

      It doesn't take a machete to slash people. I usually carry a gun and a knife. If I'm without a gun, I definitely have that knife. At any one time in any large, busy mall in the country, I'm sure there will be hundred of people in the mall carrying a knife; a knife capable of dealing death as surely as the box cutters carried by the 9/11 islamic terrorists. Yet, people aren't being cut to ribbons daily in malls.

      Why?

      A poser, that.

      The rest of your asinine post has been dealt with by other respondents.

    • CatK

      These "nobody sane" statements seem to disallow for differences of opinion. That smacks of a statist mentality. Reasonable people may, in fact, disagree. I've read statistics on crime in the UK that suggest that there is plenty of violence – such as a type of home invasion that is frequent and violent. So, perhaps an idyllic crime free utopia is not what is really happening in the UK. America has a different culture and history than England. Our country's founding -separating from the England – was based on a citizenry armed. And that is why it is in our constitution. The UK may proceed as it wishes. I, for one, am on the side of the American revolutionaries.

    • Drakken

      You ar a subject who depends on a govt to protect you and it does a poor job of doing it, gun crime in the UK is up. Here in the US I am a free man and I decide what needs to be protected, not the govt, there is the difference.

    • Ron

      I have been to the UK many times. As a retired police officer, I frequently stop and talk to the local police. Your theory that banning handguns stops gun crime doesn't hold water. Police in the UK are arming themselves more often, because they are confronting more armed people. On two visits, we watched news reports of shootings involving multiple victims more than once. One spree involved twelve victims, because the police were unarmed and there was no one to stop him.

      Disarming people just creates more victims.

    • Geoff

      I am a CCW permit holder in my state of Ohio. I took a 12 hour firearm safety course as required by state law. I am a responsible hard working citizen and what my instructor told me(who is a police chief in a local town) That if you hear the glass breaking in your house at 3 a.m. even if you call the police it would most definitely be at least 10 to 15 minutes before help gets there. In which case you and your wife,family could be already dead. with a gun at least you have a fighting chance! The percentage of violent crimes committed in this country is not done by law abiding citizens owning firearms. Quite actually the statistics from the FBI database show violent crimes are at an all time low except in Illinois which is the only state that prohibits open or concealed carry outside your home. as much as a tragedy as Connecticut is wouldn't it be just as an equal tragedy if those killed had not been children? Mainstream media doesn't report when a woman protects her herself from an attacker using a legal firearm or a man that defends his home and family from would be attackers because he owned a firearm. take away the guns and the only people to own them will be the criminals Illegally!

    • Mary Sue

      It's not ridiculous, pretty much because if someone wants to commit mass murder, they're going to find a way to do it. Even the Columbine shooters didn't rely upon guns alone; they were able to construct home-made bombs!

      So how 'bout that bomb control?

      You're reading lies if you think there is no random killing or gun crime in the UK. Gun crime increased dramatically there after guns were banned!

    • pagegl

      I guess these Brits aren't sane…
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_Cn5U0odx0

  • steph naylor

    This:

    "the only way to stop a man with a gun is with a gun."

    says it all. I need a gun because hes got a gun, only i'm going to get a bigger gun, just to be sure.

    Well said David Gardiner, it would be wise to stop the domestic arms race and face up to the fact that if its legal to possess an automatic rifle for no other good reason that you 'fancied it', more people will needlessly die. You can pontificate all you like about mental health issues, but the simple matter is that if he couldn't have got his hands on a gun, he couldn't have shot 20 children

    • slml12

      Exactly. The argument that I need a gun because he has a gun is silly. If he doesnt have a gun then I don't need a gun yourself.

      I don't understand how anyone can argue against something that could have potwntially saved those childre 's lives.

      People aren't saying you shouldn't be able to have a gun, it just shouldn't be so easy. In Canada you have awaiting period, they do referense checks. You have to keep your bullets and guns seperate and if you are found in violation of that you are charged. As us how many gun related deaths there were in Canada last uear? Under 100. How can you not draw a parallel? I can't believe that anyone would think their second ammendment right is more important than the life of another person.

      • Guest

        You won't like hearing this, but our 2nd Ammendment right IS more important than a single life, or the lives of 26, or even thousands. Our right has a SIDE EFFECT of hunting and personal defense. Its primary purpose is to keep power in the hands of the citizen, not the government.

        Most firearms used in crimes are stolen. It's not "easy"

        • JacksonPearson

          Exactly. Disarm the populous, and criminality will soar.

          • Stephen_Brady

            Especially crimes perpetrated by the government!

      • Mary Sue

        Dude, trust me, there's idiots that think guns should be outright banned.

        Your first statement is faulty, as you're resting on the premise of "him" "not having a gun". But you can't guarantee that. Criminals will always get guns. You'd have to ban every metal lathe on the planet.

      • pagegl

        Is the right to free speech and religion less important to one's life? Many people in this country have given their lives to protect those rights. The Second Amendment was designed and implemented to help protect the other freedoms protected in the Bill of Rights.

      • Fritz

        There are many more gun related deaths then under 100 in Canada every year, there are more gun related murders then that every year to say nothing of accidents and suicides. Canada's gun laws are absolutely worthless when it comes to crime, we blew over $1 billion dollars on a long gun registry where not one crime was solved by tracing a weapon to it's registered owner. The majority of criminals use stolen or smuggled guns obtained through the black market, many of which are hand guns which are in effect banned from legal ownership. They had a shootout at a shopping mall in downtown Toronto last year, hitting a baby in the crossfire, anyone who can do that sort of thing isn't going to care about registrations, waiting periods, or storage regulations. So don't lie to our American cousins, Canada is no some oasis free of gun violence, there are more gang shootouts in our major cities then ever.

    • Drakken

      Your knowledge of weapons is less than the understanding of how we do things here in the US, please know what your talking about before running your mouth based on pure emotion versus pure unadulted facts. We do not allow folks to have automatic weapons here genius unless you get a class III license and pay a heck of lot of money for the right tax stamp and other logistical paperwork, so get a bloody clue.

    • Bravo

      It is very difficult to legally possess an automatic rifle. Very few people can get a permit.
      Semi-automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns have been around for a century, but schools have become defenseless victim zones more recently.
      Not in the news much was an incident this week in China, where there is strict gun control, of a man who stabbed 22 children and a teacher. There have been 20 killed and 50 wounded in knife attacks there since 2010. http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/14/chi

    • Mary Sue

      well then smarty pants, how DO you stop a man with a gun? And NO, the answer is NOT a bullet proof vest.

    • pagegl

      If a bad guy has a gun I don't need a bigger gun. I just need to be accurate with mine. Millions of people in this country own guns and the only damage that occurs is to some target or game. By the way, unless you have a Class 3 FFL you CANNOT legally own an automatic weapon in this country.

    • Fritz

      He could have run them down with his car like a maniac did in California instead, or used home made or stolen explosives, or lit the place on fire and barred the doors.
      What I find interesting is that many of the same types advocating stripping individuals of hand or other types of guns are also advocating arming the Syrian rebels, many of whom are Muslim Brotherhood or El Qaeda front groups, in their own "arms race" with the Assad regime. While this school shooting is tragic there are at least as many children dying every day in Syria's civil war, thanks to one side or the other, and the Left wants us to get involved.

    • Walt

      As has been frequent in the past few days, this poster tries to throw in 'automatic rifle' when in fact there was none – moreover, automatic rifles are illegal for the general population. This has become common, Bloomberg did it just the other day in an attempt to further anti-gun laws, as have other on national TV!

    • tagalog

      Well, you could stop a man with a gun by dropping one of those AJAX safes on him, like the Road Runner does on Wile E. Coyote, but that's kind of a cumbersome method. Putting a bullet in his head is much easier.

  • Adam

    If there is another school shooting incident we can look forward to our president pretending to cry about it. Now that's leadership, what a pillar of strength. I wonder how long he had to practice wiping his eyes so he could look sensitive. Instead of instilling a sense of safety and emanating strength he will not let this tragedy go to waste. Maybe they released the Benghazi report while this was going on. Imagine how Jihadists and other enemies viewed our commander in chief crying like a schoolgirl. Could we look any weaker to the world.

    • Dave

      Nobody cares about Benghazi. Give it a rest. Neocons lost, sensible people won. Deal with your spur grapes you whiny petulant little sissy girl.

      • Mary Sue

        wow, way to piss on the grave of the ambassador there, kid.

      • pagegl

        So, sensible people don't give a rat's patoot about our ambassadors.

    • Joe Ordinary

      I wish I could give you two thumbs up Adam. :-)

    • Mary Sue

      he pretended pretty good at the press conference. I sensed a measured pause, not emotionality.

  • J. M. Kerger

    Over here in Germany we have VERY tough gun laws, therefore we should have little violent crime, right? WRONG! Open any newspaper on any given day of the week and you'll find that violence is alive and well in this country. Every day people are robbed, beaten up, beaten or kicked to death etc. Now, how many of those victims might have escaped injury or death if they'd been properly armed? And don't anyone tell me that laws keep guns out of the hand of criminals, the majority of firearms used in criminal activity over here are unregistered and unlicensed – in other words illegal! Only criminals benefit from tough gun laws while law-abiding citizens suffer the consequences…..

    • scum

      Sure dude, 260 gun-related deaths in Germany is almost equal to the 9200 in the USA. Wait, no it's not.

  • pennylane

    Guns are not the problem. All Swiss males keep their army arms at home, yet the homicide rate is a fraction that of the USA. The USA has a violence problem. In the USA violence is en vouge and the accepted method of goverment and society to deal with almost all nature of problems. The symbols of violence are national heritage ansupporters of violence national heroes.

    • Mary Sue

      it's a bit more complicated than that. Criminals know that they can get away with stuff in various cities in the United States. And if they get caught, they get sent through a revolving door justice system where they may be out on the street in very little time. So there is overall no deterrent (or effective lockup) of the broken members of society who lack a conscience for whatever reason.

      I blame the parents, though even parental involvement is complex and not always due to the same factors each time.

    • scum

      If they're "Army arms" are they owned by the general population?

      • Mary Sue

        They have to be in the person's HOUSE so it might as well be, because the general population MUST serve in the army. It's a requirement.

  • crackerjack

    What a stupid nation who's concept of freedom is posessing a gun but not a health insurance.

    • davey gardner

      health insurance, LMAO, you will not receive medical care you fool

    • RedWhiteAndJew

      The freedom to choose whether or not to buy health insurance is an important right, as is the freedom to choose whether or not to buy a gun.

    • Drakken

      Ah yes, another product of our education system, God help us.

    • JacksonPearson

      Your still not the brightest crayon in the pack. Our Bill of Rights, was protection given us from our Founding Fathers. While Obama-Care was rammed up our butts by Progressives.

    • Mary Sue

      Buy me a gun, then I'll pay for your health insurance.

    • pagegl

      Your health insurance is your responsibility not mine bucko. My self defense is my responsibility not yours.

      • crackerjack

        Nonsense pagegl. If I have no health insurance, you are footing my bill when I end up in emergency room. And if your gun gets into the wrong hands, I end up being shot.

        No freedom without responsibility.

        • Walt

          1. If you have no health insurance (or cash) you shouldn't be treated at the emergency room, unless you and /or your relatives agree to a payment plan.
          2. If my gun gets into the wrong hands, I expect you to have a legal firearm of your own to protect your family and yourself.

          Seems pretty simple to me … individual responsibility by all!

        • pagegl

          Why am I responsible for your expenses? As Walt stated you shouldn't be treated unless you have insurance or a payment plan is set up. Your injury or illness is your responsibility unless I caused it. Although I can't guarantee my guns won't end up in the wrong hands, I take measures to prevent that. Does my responsibility extend to covering the act of a criminal? No. You have to take some responsibility to protect yourself. Do not expect the police to protect you, the courts have ruled they are under no obigation to do so.

  • rockman

    I value the freedom to decide between a gun and health insurance, or either, neither, or both. In some situations, the difference between a gun and health insurance becomes blurred anyway. T
    ake a hike crackerjack.

  • Glenn

    Would you believe something like this could happen in a deer hunting camp? I believe not.

  • wsg

    Please proof read your posts –

    My ability to defend myself and my family is now to be limited by the actions of the least moral and/ or pathologically impaired ? NOT SO MUCH ! Europe has had to be rescued three times in the last century by the US – WW I, WW II and the Cold War. How are they a role model for anything ? US society has allowed the discussion of right vs wrong and Good vs Evil to be driven from the public square under the guise of “separation of church and state.” Meaning the Progressives want Conservative Judeo-Christian values driven under ground. When the secular – AMORAL – TV and media complex instill the values in countless children carnage is the outcome,

    • mlcblog

      Excellent post.

  • crackerjack

    In 1996, there was a shooting at a primary school in Scotland. 16 children ages 5-6 died along with their teacher. The following year, the UK banned the private ownership of all cartridge ammunition handguns,regardless of caliber, There have been no shootings since.

    Its simple really.

    • crackedupjack

      crime has increased substantially in jolly ole' england after gun confiscation, FACT. YES, MURDER TOO

      • crackerjack

        Homicide rate USA 4.7. Homicide rate UK 1.2 It's simple really.

        • Enjoy Every Sandwich

          Attributing that difference to gun control is illogical. The UK had a lower homicide rate than the US BEFORE enacting those gun control laws. How do you explain that?

          I explain it by noting that the UK and the US are different societies. It's the same reason that I don't immediately jump to the idea that the US could solve the problem by adopting the Swiss model; the US and Switzerland are very different.

          I realize that it's so very tempting to leap to a nice simple answer like gun control legislation so that one needn't address the more difficult and complex issues presented by the breakdown of our society. We have to avoid that temptation.

          • RedWhiteAndJew

            That's the real test. Apples and oranges comparisons across different milieus are essentially meaningless. Comparison before and after laws restricting or liberalizing gun owner, in the same location are very instructive, however.

          • Enjoy Every Sandwich

            To your point, David Kopel did some interesting work in his book The Samurai, The Mountie, and the Cowboy. One thing that shows up in examinations of crime rates over time in various countries is that they don't even correlate to gun control; the correlation to social conditions is much stronger.

            Not that correlation = causation in any case, but the argument is especially weak with gun control which doesn't even have correlation on its side.

          • carckerjack

            If its not the weapons, what is it that makes US citizens kill their fellow citizens at a rate far above that of any other developed , civilized nation???

          • RedWhiteAndJew

            The same thing that motivates anyone, anywhere, to kill another person: the will to do so, and a personal moral framework with allows it.

            In the 70's, Dick Gregory was once asked why black folks kill each other with knives so often. His response? Because white folks don't let black folks have guns.

            Dwell on that.

          • crackerjack

            Lets put it in your words………..why do US citizens have such a greatrer will to kill other US citizens than all other comparable nations?

          • RedWhiteAndJew

            I don't know. I can speculate, but I don't have the answer.

            What I do know, and the statistics back this up time and time again, is that where gun laws are relaxed, violent crime goes down. Where it is restricted, crime goes up. This is a global phenomenon.

            Exclude a few choice dense urban areas in the US, and the bottom line changes substantially, btw. These are the same places where gun ownership is highly registered, restricted, if not illegal. See how that works?

          • crackerjack

            wouldn't it be wiser for the US to put the blame on free accessibility to arms, because the only alternative is that US society is sick to the core.

          • RedWhiteAndJew

            No, because if it is true that US society is sick to the core, on average, those who are not sick, in the manner to which you allude, have the right to protect themselves from those who are.

          • Enjoy Every Sandwich

            Accessibility to firearms hasn't gotten easier; it has gotten harder. Prior to the Gun Control Act of 1968 it was legal to purchase firearms through the mail. You could buy them from the Sears catalog, no questions asked.

            As for the sickness of US society, in my personal opinion that is the problem. Why is that "alternative" so unthinkable?

          • http://owsblog.blogspot.com Span_Ows

            crackerjack, but the UK has 5 times more violent crime than the US, that wouldn't happen if citizens were armed.
            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/T

          • scum

            Class disparities wreak ugly rewards.

          • Enjoy Every Sandwich

            I don't think it's the lack of gun control; I think it is the lack of social control.

            Again, to go back to Switzerland, that's a country that could have payment for subway rides be on the honor system and people actually stop for red lights. Not because "it's the law" but because that's the ethos of their society.

            Our society has largely destroyed the ideas of self-control and self-respect. If there's a problem, only the government's "experts" can be trusted to solve it. It's a recipe for the destruction of Western Civilization.

          • crackerjack

            I don't think its lack of self control. I believe its rooted in the US affinity towards violence.

          • Enjoy Every Sandwich

            I disagree, but if the US does indeed have an affinity towards violence then gun control won't solve that. It's deeper than the mere existence of an inanimate object.

          • Mary Sue

            Affinity to violence is meaningless.

            Affinity to amorality or immorality is more like it. Violence has to have context.

          • scum

            But you don't want social control. If people "relied" on the government here, then by definition they would obey the dictates of said government.

          • Mary Sue

            because they got brainwashed by libtards into thinking they're entitled to commit violence and murder to make things "fair".

          • pagegl

            Most other civilized nations are more homogenous than the US. Homogeneity tends to less conflict, so, it can be argued there will be less crime. If I wanted to be argumentative, I would blame stuff like this on the diversity movement.

          • scum

            No one uses those cross-comparison models more than the gun freaks. Would gun control immediate eliminate all gun violence in the US? Of course not. But it's time to stop pandering to the NRA.

          • Mary Sue

            Scum, scum, scum, go back to where you're from.

            And while you're at it, retake Logic 101, if you ever had it in the first place. "Pandering to the NRA" is meaningless. The 2nd Amendment is a Constitution thing that far predates the NRA.

    • Demetrius M

      And on Friday in China, a maniac stabbed 25 school children. Better get those knives out of the drawer before the government makes a bill.
      Do you really think that those we do not want to have firearms are going to abide by a law prohibiting them? Are you really that naive?

      • mlcblog

        If I am not mistaken, Scotland is quite different from the US, mostly people who are law-abiding, strong Catholic populace, and gun control would indeed stop the occasional hotheaded outburst and use of a gun against another, but I think this is not easily comparable with our Wild West and overrun with whackos civilization here in the US. Plus we need to keep our guns for the day when we have to hold of our own government. That is what gun control is all about over here. So, you Brits once again can tend to your side of the pond, please.

      • crackerjack

        USA homicide rate 4.7 China homicide rate 1.6

        • Mary Sue

          China is also a repressive police state where 90% of the homicides are committed by Government.

          • scum

            It's repressive, but not to the point where the government is committed homicide.

          • Mary Sue

            …ok now that is INEXCUSABLE ignorance.

            Read up on Tibet, Falun Gong, Tienamen Square, Chinese harvesting of prisoner organs, and that's just for STARTERS.

        • pagegl

          So, you think living in China is preferable? Repressive societies tend to have less crime.

    • http://owsblog.blogspot.com Span_Ows

      No shootings since? In UK 6% of homicides are by firearm.

    • PatD

      Your user name says it all except you should add the phrase oxygen thief preceding it!!!!

    • UCSPanther

      If Europe is a such a nice place, then move there.

      • scum

        We'll join the neo-cons in Canada.

        • Mary Sue

          You stay outta here, we don't need you voting NDP.

    • Mary Sue

      You really need to get out more.

  • hussein obama

    take guns away from Democrats, they commit the majority of crimes

    • davey gardner

      agreed

    • RedWhiteAndJew

      This may or may not be true, but the thought that a political ideology test be used to determine whether or not one be allowed the means of self-protection is a very scary thought, indeed.

      BTW, the majority of crimes are committed by people who already are not legally allowed to own the gun they used in the crime. Does that stop them?

      No, it doesn't.

      That's the point.

    • dmw

      They Democovet first, then do like Demorats.

    • scum

      See, you DO believe in gun control.

    • Mary Sue

      Interestingly enough I heard on Sun News today that Eric Harris, one of the Columbine Shooters, was actively trying to PREVENT Colorado from passing the pro-Concealed Carry law, going so far as to write to state representatives and such. He and Dylan acted on THE DAY that it was passed.

  • Charles Johnsen

    Re: What a stupid nation who's concept of freedom is posessing a gun but not a health insurance.
    Ah, insults, not wisdom or evidence. What a stupid people who believe a nation-state has the ability to provide medical care or prevent violence. We have plenty of evidence for THIS insult and for wisdom we have the Declaration.

    • crackerjack

      The US homicide rate speaks for itself.

      • Bill

        And if you believe that the crime rate is the defining factor, then you are truely a simplistic ass.

      • mlcblog

        So you think guns kill people? They just magically get up and shoot on their own?

      • welldoneson

        cracker, the EU has just as many shootings as the US.
        it's actually quite stupid to focus on any individual country in Europe and compare that country to the US.

      • Mary Sue

        your ignorance speaks for itself.

  • Demetrius M

    When I first heard about this horrible event, (10:15am) I thought "I wonder how long it will take before the term gun control is mentioned by the media. My guess was by the time the 6 o'clock news.
    It was 15 minutes later.
    Don't let a tragic multiple murder go to waste, eh liberals?

    • scum

      Actually, FPM had 4 articles out within a span of 24 hours, if my count is correct. This is precisely the type of event that SHOULD form the impetus to act. For a small town like Newtown, this was a 9/11 moment.

  • Michael C

    David Gardiner and Crackerjack……. not so fast about UK gun crime:

    “Figures showed the number of crimes involving handguns had more than doubled since the post-Dunblane massacre ban on the weapons, from 2,636 in 1997-1998 to 5,871.”

    From Daniel Greenfield's earlier article.

    • http://owsblog.blogspot.com Span_Ows

      And it getting worse: firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to April 2012, up from 7,362.

      • scum

        So let's get rid of the guns.

        • Mary Sue

          …they already did?

  • ze-ev ben jehuda

    There are 312,8 Million people kiving in the U.S. In 2011 there were 8778 deaths by
    gunfire. If you,for indstance,compare this to the Netherlands,where it is forbidden by law
    to carry a gun or any other means to commit murder with,knives till screwdrivers etc there were
    168 killed by gunfire in 2011 on a population of 16,7 million people.
    A rough calculation shows in the Netherlands; 1 per 100.000 and in the U.S. 3 per 100.000 is
    getting killed by individual gunfire.
    Not much difference.In the Netherlands a severe gun restriction and in the U.S. no restriction.
    With other words,you can get a murder- weapon illigally on the black market and no one knows.
    It is not the gun who kills but the one who pulls the trigger.

    • Sean C

      I'm not sure of your data, but if correct I imagine the 2 people per 100,000 who don't get killed in the Netherlands by guns compared to the US are quite happy about it. Are those two Americans per year not worth saving?

      • Mary Sue

        No, they get killed by other things.

    • DebbieOhio912

      Thanks for bringing up populations, ze-ev. We need to look at ratios, not just the totals.

  • mlcblog

    It was brought to my attention recently that there have been NO MORE hijackings of airplanes since pilots were armed and air marshalls were set in place. I think arming a few selected teachers on EVERY campus, or providing ARMED security guards at every school would stop this nonsense overnight…..but it won't happen as long as we live in this insane Utopia.

    • Patd

      Your theory makes too much sense!!!!!!! Not many intelligent criminals go in to hold up a gun store!!! Pass on to crackerjack as that one is missing a few marbles. Criminals are like water and electricity they take the path of LEAST resistance!!!!!

      • mlcblog

        Thanks, and thanks for your tip about CJ.

        Today on talk radio (KSFO 560 San Francisco) I was hearing a person call in that also made so much sense. What if parents decided, since it is up to them to protect their children, not the govt, to hire private security guards at their children's schools to ensure the children's safety? What school board would say no to that? There are plenty of able retired police personnel, military, and others who could qualify to carry a gun at each and every school. Our children must be protected from these loonies. It's like the wild west out here!!

    • scum

      Can't do it: The Tea Party won't allow it. A single private contractor security guard would cost about $300/day at minimum. That's 6k a month approx. The Tea Party has already gutted the schools.

      • mlcblog

        Your erroneous blaming of the Tea Party here is strange to me. Also, the cost is nothing compared to our children's lives. I believe more and more we will see ordinary people (yes, some Tea Partiers, too) stand up for protecting our little ones in their schools. Some are already doing it and have been for years.

  • Enjoy Every Sandwich

    The calls for gun control are part of a larger delusion in this country that complex problems can be solved by having Congress pass a law with a clever name.

  • gseine

    Two words…..Fort Hood

  • WilliamJamesWard

    A ban on guns in schools was preceeded by a ban on the Bible in Schools, taking scriptures out
    of education took prohibitions out of the thinking of students and the idea of moral responsibility.
    I wonder how many shootings took place before the ban compared to after it was initiated. All of
    the violence in so called entertainment films and video games has had to influence the
    development of our youth, why not ban entertainment that tells you killing is a way to end your
    problems. As a youth weapons training was serious business and rules were established and
    respect for the use was instilled in us along with the understanding of consequences.
    Consequences a reality that is overlooked in to much of todays world. It may be that it is to late
    and draconian measures in reorganizing society are necessary or a return to what worked prior
    to 1963 and idiot Supreme Court decisions that clearly violate our Constitution and it's spirit. Evil
    has seeped into our government along with flawed people that know no moral restraints and
    hate God and the idea of responsibility to a higher power, judgement happens and restoration of
    moral reality is necessary………………………………William

    • Michael Knight

      The god of your Bible condones genocide (and had repeated visited upon humans), slavery, bigotry, hatred and stoning. Christianity has been responsible for the mass murder and destruction of non-European societies and was often quoted by slave-owners to justify their slavery.

      Jesus taught Christians to love your enemies-the same enemies that want to slaughter your and your children, that is the exact opposite of moral teachings and behavior, not to mention the inversion of common sense.
      http://religionvirus.blogspot.ca/2010/04/hitchins

      Your mythology does not belong in our schools and don't try to piggy-back your religious fanatacism onto a relevant subject like the right to bear arms.

      • Stephen_Brady

        Not a believer, are we?

        • WilliamJamesWard

          Basically Stephen he is and historically ignorant anti-Christian bigot…………..William

      • Mary Sue

        I think you'd better read this: http://www.tektonics.org/lp/packham02.html

      • tagalog

        And where does YOUR mythology belong?

        Don't try to tell us that you don't believe in some mythology. Everyone has myths that they believe. Do yours belong in the schools?

  • Zionista

    There have been many cases where someone with a concealed gun saved his/her own life and/or the lives of others by taking out the CRIMINAL or NUTJOB who was about to shoot, but the lamestream media downplays these stories because they go against the agenda.

  • Glenn

    Should somone go on a shooting rampage in a deer hunting camp or a gun club and survive to go on trial he would already have a good defense, Just plead insanity. Jury would probably go for it.

    • RedWhiteAndJew

      Is your contention, then, that deer hunters are insane?

      • Enjoy Every Sandwich

        Not to stick my oar in but I think Glenn is referring to the fact that trying a shooting rampage in a place where there are numerous armed citizens would be a suicidal act.

        Certainly the shooting matches that I have attended are noteworthy for the safety that is evident in the actions of every participant, but any violent attack would have been swiftly terminated.

        • RedWhiteAndJew

          I understand your take, but there is a poster using the name "Glenn Beck," parodying the broadcaster of the same name with bizarre assertions. When I saw "Glenn," I just thought it was more of the same. But you're right. The IPSC matches I've attended have always been meticulously managed, with safety being a high priority.

  • watsa46

    America must know better than every other democratic country where the possession of a gun is illegal. These countries have a lot less gun-related death. But according to the NRA and others it has NOTHING to do with the number of Guns. There are a lot more "unstable" people in the US! Perhaps two to three hundred times more! Then of course there are the social issues, the promotion of violence by Hollywood & cie, sports (football, hockey etc…).
    We need to come with new ideas.
    What about suspending for one year the 2nd amendment in one state and observe what happens?

    • RedWhiteAndJew

      Again, do an apples to apples comparison. In places where gun laws are made more burdensome, violent crime increases. When they are liberalized, violent crime goes down. This fact holds true in US communities as it does elsewhere.

      Delete a few choice, densely populated urban areas in the US from those crime stats, and you will see a very different picture, btw. In some places in this country, life is cheap. It also happens to be true, that in these same places, legal gun ownership is highly regulated, if not outright banned.

    • WilliamJamesWard

      If you maintain the gun control contention I might point out that England has such control
      yet Muslim mobs gang rape at will without much if any consequence, it will not happen here.
      William

    • Enjoy Every Sandwich

      They have done that in my home state of Illinois, for longer than one year. The state is extremely hostile to gun ownership. The result? The major cities like Chicago and East St. Louis are combat zones.

    • Mary Sue

      no they do not.

      If they suspended the second amendment for 1 state for one year, you'd get a LOT more gun related homicides because criminals do not obey gun laws, you idiot. They go where they get easier victims!

    • Babs

      DC has or had one of the strictest gun control laws and had the one of the highest rates of homicide. Explain that watsa46

  • Alex Kovnat

    We note six adults were among those killed in last Friday's unspeakable tragedy. Would that they had been allowed to carry handguns, or at least a Kimber Pepper Blaster (or something equivalent). All we accomplish with zero tolerance rules for weapons in schools, is to make everybody an easy target for a madman who may be armed with handguns, rifles or for that matter a cocaine-crazed madman swinging a hammer or machete.

    • Mary Sue

      Yeah they totally should have been armed. They might have saved more lives.

  • Allan

    Not one comment I have read evens mentions the effect of violence in Movies or computer games. I understand the constitution protects free speech but a sense or morals not the money made should guide the producers of these films , videos and especially VIOLENT COMPUTER GAMES. Our youth is constantly being in influenced by this in the media so what is to be expected .

    • RedWhiteAndJew

      Yeah. Is it not ironic that the very same Hollyweird denizens who act in, direct, and produce garbage where life and human dignity are cheap, are the same one who mouth puerile bilge about banning guns.

  • Arley Steinhour

    Maranatha those who would enslave, destroy, or regulate one's ability to defend, self and others.
    We, the 'Sane,' have lost control of the Asylum, to 'In/Satan/sane.' Insanity may well now be Catastrophically Epidemic, something like 'Travail.'

  • larryhagdon

    All across America, every school day, millions of our children are locked down in shooting galleries, totally defenseless against armed intruders.

    The Liberals that defy our constitution and place our children in harms way have the blood of these children on their hands.

    The common sense solution is to require that all public schools certify each day that they have a minimum of 25 percent of their staff and faculty carrying locked and loaded firearms and that they are trained and sworn to defend their charges. Failure to comply on any given day should require that the school close and remain closed until they come into compliance.

    Had this school done so, very possibly no children would have been harmed, certainly 20 would not have died.

    The blood of the innocents is on the hands of the Liberals who put them in harms way.

    I would call for the criminal prosecution of the school board members and faculty that prevented their defense and thereby contributed to their deaths. They should all do jail time.

    I call for new laws requiring all schools to have conceal carry based student protection programs in place.

    larry hagedon

  • WildJew

    Daniel, I am not sure you have offered an alternative to the left. The left believes we must disarm the populace. Is your position to the effect that there is evil in the world (since Cain murdered his brother) and thus we must accept a certain level of violence and mayhem? I do not believe it is your position. How do you answer the left?

  • Donna(guest)

    This country has gone to Hell in a hand-cart, ever since the gov, the ACLU, and the Atheists have taken GOD out of schools, public places. our plege etc.. Well I don't know about the rest of you but "I would rather live my life as if there is a GOD and die and find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die and find out there is. Things were so much better in my youth when families were families, children had 2 parents that went to church as a family (you know the old saying, "The family that prays toghter, stays together!!!!! When our country turned its back on God thats where things started going wrong

  • SigSauer

    God has given us free will, when can choose to believe in Him or not. No one is forced to believe. But, since He has given to us Free Will we now have to choose. We can choose to do good and we can choose to do evil. That's why there are EVIL people in this world.

    • tagalog

      "God created man. Colt made men equal."

  • geula

    I have voted Republican for a few elections already, but think that common sense is under attack here, generally. If controlling weapons in the hands of flawed humans or Ahmadinejad or Hitler type humans – thus controlling the free use of weapons in general – is so objectionable ideologically or downright futile, why are we intent in preventing, say, Iran’s atomic bomb? Is it only for reasons of geopolitical influence, or is it because we really don’t want to see more genocides? Many countries have them. Perhaps all countries should have them. Can anyone argue that the magnitude of lethal effect of any weapon plays a role in the amount of casualties? Had Hitler not had the gas chambers, had he been obliged to continue his extermination programs using “retail” techniques, wouldn’t he had eventually run out of time and millions would have been saved? Criminals use what they have because they CAN. Some crimes cannot be prevented, but some CAN be, and that’s all one CAN do, again. Neither I nor hundreds of friends and family want to have guns for self defense, and I believe this is the majority of the citizens wish, yet self defense is one of the main arguments against gun control. In fact, I don’t find one single argument strong enough against gun control, including the Constitution.

    • Dan Frain

      So repeal the Second Amendment if you want.

      I don't think it can be done. It surely won't be done quickly, but do what you will.

      First, get Congress to pass a resolution and start lining up states to hold either a convention or a referendum.

      Ready? 1, 2, 3, go!

      • geula

        Again, it is not even a matter of ideology. People may continue to have a basic right to bear arms. But states ( ie, people, citizens ), can and do determine which, to whom, what for, etc. I don't propose a total ban on guns, but gun control. We control so many other less lethal instruments, substances- even beneficial ones- , behaviours, and so on and so forth, which are, in essence, permitted if used as allowed by law. Laws are good enough for me, and changeable within reasonable methods and time frames. No need to wait for a constitutional amendment. Ironically, the gun issue is constitutionally controlled by an "amendment". Meaning, in the past we so much revere – the past cemented by the Constitution- , amendments were considered necessary. It was a living document, flexible. If it has now become so unchangeable, Heaven help us into the future.

    • Mary Sue

      If all else fails criminals can make their own. Google "zip-guns."

      We're trying to prevent Iran from getting nukes for the same reason we'd deny a Clifford Olsen, a Ted Bundy, or a John Wayne Gacy a gun permit. We're trying to prevent actual evil from gaining the means of mass killing.

      But really what you're advocating means disarming NOT-EVIL as well, such as say, Israel.

      • geula

        "we 're trying to prevent actual evil from gaining the means of ( ….. ) killing". Absolutely right.Just take away the word "mass". One person or many, it is a heinous crime. Don't make it so easy to get the guns. With regards to Israel, I don't advocate total disarmament, and did not say so. Just as no one in their right minds would prevent the police from having weapons. Israel, precisely, is to me one of the good guys. The US is another. Etc.

        • RedWhiteAndJew

          Ease or difficulty getting guns is not the issue for those who want to murder. They will find a way. Whether guns are easy or hard to get, makes all the difference for those who want to 1) obey the law, and 2) defend themselves.

          And don't try the registration gambit, either. Registration eventually leads to confiscation.

          • geula

            By that token, allcriminals who want to commit X and Y crimes will commit them, and there is nothing we can or should do about it, because these criminals are "free" people. Is this reasonable? Look at monetary crimes: there are countless criminals of that sort ( remember Madoff), and since money is more important than human life in the US, there are countless of regulations with regards to preventing white collar crime, and tons of ink spent on protesting the lack of enough safeguards, respect for warning signs, etc. There are evil men of course. And all it takes for them to succeed is the lack of men of good will.

          • RedWhiteAndJew

            Nope. As I said in another post, that some people will do bad things, is no justification to not make those bad acts illegal. Ownership of a firearm, in and of itself, however, is not a bad thing, and denying the law-abiding from such ownership, makes them prey to those who don't care about the law.

            Nice strawman, though.

          • geula

            The paranoid delusion (to be “pray” of invisible potential enemies ) works well for, for example, tyrants, totalitarian states,  Islamic delusions about us, the infidels “raping” their culture, and many other pathologies.  The excuse of self-defense serves also as a pretext for the affirmation of a right per se, without qualifications whatsoever. People have many rights. Most of those are seriously regulated. Let gun ownership- one of those rights- be intelligently regulated and supervised. This is not the case in the US.  And, by the way, the fact that people do bad things is the PRIMARY, most ancient, evolved, intuitive in the best sense of the word, moral, ethical and foundational spring of laws and justice: rights from wrongs.

          • RedWhiteAndJew

            Do you know what the word "prey" means? You use many words, but say very little. As to my alleged paranoia, are you suggesting that there is no violent crime?

          • geula

            A typo, no need to become unpleasant. I can see why you may simply like the guns.  I’ll make it simpler, for you:Some types of people need enemies for their minds to function. Sometimes they invent them. Some types of people find it easier to blame things on the “evil in man”, a notion no one disputes, and leave it at that. Then they are off the hook, and get to keep their many guns. Some types of people like the sound of big concepts like “ self –defense”. No qualifications needed. It would be a waste of the intellect to attempt to analyze these pure, simple rights. Regulation, law, and perhaps civilization may be, for those types of people, too wordy for concern. What do these wordy people on the Supreme Court try so hard to think, learn, elucidate, consider….What a waste of time and talent. Unless they help keep the guns and all other cherished simple causes.

          • RedWhiteAndJew

            It is a common strategy of the fascist, to pathologize opinions and political positions which they can't logically refute. How every Stalinesque.

          • geula

            Exactly. Proves my point. One more for your imaginary enemies collection.

          • RedWhiteAndJew

            No, I'm afraid you missed the point, entirely.

          • Mary Sue

            You have no clue how the Real World works.

        • Mary Sue

          Nonononono you don't get it.

          Iran is a GOVERNMENT. Not a person. Don't confuse the issue, here. In the analogy, the US is the "police" (as a whole, the military) and Iran is the "Criminal". It is in no way in any wise similar to making it harder for ordinary citizens to get guns, at all.

          What you're suggesting would be like saying Israel should not have nukes, either.

    • TomS

      I notice that you mention Hitler and Ahmadinejad. Dictators like these are amongst the reasons that the framers insisted on the right to keep and bear arms. They feared that even the government that they were creating would exceed its function and need to be dissolved. They also believed that the populace having their own weapons would forestall this eventuallity. The battles of Concord and Lexington were actually fought because the King's forces were trying to confiscate the weapons, powder, and shot that were held by the colonials. They still considered themselves "Englishmen".

  • geula

    Freedom is one of the main arguments against some degree of gun control. Freedom defined as…..to do what…..? Hunting? We are not free to smoke – another leathal weapon – inside or outside anymore, almost everywhere in the US. It is not so in Europe or other continents, where you encounter smoking just about everywhere. Who would have thought that such a "right" as smoking could become so controlled in the US? Yes it has been.
    We can't live by the principles which were essential 300 years ago, just as we don't want to be submitted to surgery using surgical instruments used 300 years ago. Yes, Man is evil and will do as he will do. It will take thousands of biological evolutionaly years to change that for the better, assuming it is the judeo-christian moral platform the one which survives. In the meantime, it is our children, here and now. I want to see those huge numbers of unnecessarily allowed weapons considerably reduced.

  • Jean

    I'm awestruck by this article. Practically perfect in every way.

  • soartacus !!!!!!!

    for the most part human's are fools !!! and satan ( evil ) is very good at what he does !!!!!!!

  • dancingczars

    Great one Daniel,

    It would not surprise me the least bit that the tragic happenings of the past week will have the exact opposite effect that liberal members of congress expect as they try to use the tragedy to further their goal of removing guns from America.

    Look for this to be a watershed moment, a time when collectively law-abiding citizens stand up and say enough.

    The know the police can't protect them, they know that guns in trained hands are not dangerous. Look for anti-gun zealots to be driven from office and new bills passed allowing for carrying of concealed weapons.

    To do otherwise would be tantamount to turning ordinary citizens into criminals. They fully understand criminals have weapons and they will do the same to protect themselves, from murderers, rapists, and thugs.

  • burt

    your children listen to this:

    "Kill Your Parents"
    Active Nihilism – Kill your parents
    Make them pay – Hate and destroy
    Silencing the void – Pleasure revenge
    Wipe them out, Bastards get what they deserve!
    Nihilist supreme – Erasing

    It is no killing – Useless corpse

    • RedWhiteAndJew

      Kind of a departure from "Teach Your Children Well," huh?

  • ApolloSpeaks

    SICK, TWISTED DERANGED HUMAN BEINGS

    with violent tendencies who loath themselves and the world around them and want to achieve a perverse immortality by mass murdering others have existed before the invention of guns and will continue to exist should guns be outlawed. And as long as I live in this world of good and evil I'll be in danger of being one of their victims. But I'd rather live with this danger in a free society than eliminate it (if that were possible) in a tyrannical security state.

  • Moishe Pupick

    Su., 12/16/12 common era

    I read that the FBI was quickly on the scene of this Connecticut massacre. Why was that? Was the State of Connecticut so overwhelmed by the number of victims that it needed federal help right away? One should read up about the CIA's "M.K. Ultra" mind control program, a byproduct of the "Project Paperclip" Nazi immigrants after WW2. Some early news reports stated that there was a 2nd shooter arrested. Before people start saying "conspiracy theory" and "paranoia," they should learn the defintion of the word "conspiracy," "theory," and "paranoia." I discern that Orwell's 1984 is happening now.

  • WilliamJamesWard

    I know that many parents are totally against violence in entertainment which may be
    to extreme considering the state of our violent world. How anyone can kill like this is
    impossible to understand but that it happens some attempt must be made to look at
    what are acceptable solutions. Horrific is horrific and time will help but a determined
    people can do more but disarming citizens is out of the question. I suggest that
    children be sent to Church or Synagogue and also Karate School, the first to be able
    to explain the next world and if need be send someone there…………I am glad I am
    not teaching in todays forums, you must have courage WildJew to carry on in your
    profession and it must hurt you to think on those little ones………………..William

  • Greg Byrne

    Come on now guys. No other country in the world has gun laws like the US. How many kids have been killed by nut jobs with powerful automatic weapons. There must be about 100 to date. One former political leader has said that one is 15 times more likely to be gunned down in America than Australia.

    IT'S TIME TO GET REAL. BRITAIN, AUSTRALIA, CANADA, NEW ZEALAND AND MANY OTHER LEADING COUNTRIES OF EUROPE WOULD NOT ALLOW ORDINARY PEOPLE TO HAVE A HAND GUN LET ALONE AN AUTOMATIC ASSAULT RIFLE.

    • Dan Frain

      Greg, how many? Since you asked, I'm sure you know the answer. Please do a LITTLE bit of research and tell us how many kids.

      Please name a U.S. shooting in which legally-owned automatic weapons have been used, other than the odd police murders. By and large, they use 9mm in their automatic weapons. That's a low powered round, and its cheap. How do you define powerful as in "powerful automatic weapons?"

      Okay, since you can't do that, tell us how easy it is to have an AUTOMATIC assault rifle. Can you buy one at Wal-Mart?

      Tell us also how low the crime rates are there, wherever there is, as compared to here.

      How many fewer burglaries, batteries, robberies, rapes, and murders there are compared to the U.S.? Okay, that's another oops for you. I'll try to check back to see your answers. There won't be any, I'm sure.

      If you want to cut down on firearms deaths, define the problem better and then formulate hypotheses to solve it. The problem is not just guns, it's not citizens with permits with guns, it's young males, (black, white, brown, or maroon, as Coach Lopez used to say) between the ages of fourteen and twenty five with guns.

      I don't recall the exact numbers, but I believe over half of the shooters AND the victims are in that age cohort. Maybe we should lock up all our boys for ten years until they get past their youthful stupidity. Not necessarily in a secure environment like a prison, maybe like a small college campus out in the boondocks. I'll send mine!

      More of them would likely survive, and they'd be better young men who all finished high school, at least, and maybe learned a bit of a trade or profession.

    • Mary Sue

      You don't know what an automatic weapon is.

      Semi-Automatic weapons were used; these are not the "hold the trigger and a bunch of bullets spit out at a high rate until the clip is empty". Semi-automatic means you don't have to cock back the hammer (or pull back the slide) each time you fire. It's one trigger-pull, one shot.

      "Powerful" is a meaningless statement in this context.

      And you're ignorant. Canada DOES allow people to own Handguns. They are Restricted, and heavily so, but they are NOT banned.

      If Automatic weapons are such a big deal why isn't Switzerland the shoot-em up capital of the world? Every home is required to have the equivalent of an AK-47 (a TRUE "automatic" weapon) and there's no mass shootings there!

  • jason

    Military members, contrary to popular opinion, do not have ready access to weapons. They are kept in controlled armories surrounded by locks, constatine wire, etc. We only get the weapons if someone allows us. Police, feds, etc ALWAYS have access to their weapons.

  • Jerry

    I tried to understand what the writer was trying to say but I got bogged down with all philosophy and never saw the point. Sorry.

    • Mary Sue

      reading comprehension issues?

      • RedWhiteAndJew

        Wow, they're flinging all the rhetorical crap they can against the wall for this one, aren't they.

        None of its sticking, though.

  • RUI

    It's that time of the year again when libtards whip out the "Stop Handguns before they stop you" posters and bumper stickers and start gnashing their teeth, rending their clothes, singing immature slogans and wishing Peace(TM) on Earth to all fellow travelers.
    The way they portray every such incident and every prescribed solution as a ban on guns, one would think that there are roaming gangs of handguns out there, causing mischief, loitering, defacing private property with graffiti and dealing death without Human interaction, but no. Those handguns are invariably attached to hands (!), which are themselves invariably attached to a person that may or may not intend to harm another Human Being.
    A gun is a tool. It's a dangerous tool in the hands of dangerous and irresponsible people. But in a Society that criminalizes Hatred, where feelings and causes are more important than individuals and actions, this seems like a natural progression of things. Once the responsibility for any one action is removed from the individual, we can direct the blame to video games, Marilyn Manson, the Republican Party, cartoons and youtube videos.

  • RUI

    Who knows… there may come a time in which we send handguns to prison, because even murderers have "rights" (unfortunately). That should take care of gun crime.
    Hey, why don't we put the guns that the muslim terrorists use in Guantanamo? This way, they could be tortured to extract information and no libtards would whine.

  • Mary Sue

    It may be plain old fashioned inadequately-addressed mental issues. I know a lot of people who game and even play violent games, myself included, and I've never, ever contemplated going on a violent killing spree.

  • Barbara Griffith

    y