Middle East Burning

Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam. He is completing a book on the international challenges America faces in the 21st century.


It is in the nature of the media beast that anything that happens in or around the Jewish State gets far more attention than anything that happens throughout the rest of the region. Israel has also created a safe zone for reporters. It is one of the few places in the Middle East where reporters can write what they like without having to worry about receiving a visit in the middle of the night and a ride inside the trunk of a black car.

But the time-honored obsession with Jews, which even the stiffest BBC or Guardian correspondent isn’t immune to, may also be a factor. Far more people recognize Sabra and Shatila than Hama, and if Assad survives, his current killing spree will quickly fade into distant memory by those who will go on invoking Deir Yassin as if it happened last week. No one would buy a book complaining about the Norwegians or the Syrians; and the same goes for the news stories that the media chooses to run on a daily basis.

But the media’s myopic focus on Israel also distorts the coverage of the region. Like Pavlov’s dogs, reporters reflexively reduce the Middle East to a conflict between Israel and the Arabs, Jews and Muslims, the people that they hate and the people that they like. Asking them to cover anything more complicated than that is also asking them to do too much.

The press handled the Arab Spring by resorting to a simple narrative of dictators and rebels. Now that the rebels have become the dictators, the men and women of the press in their pressed khakis have no idea how to cover them. Syria, where Sunnis and Shiites keep killing each other, is even more baffling to them. Even after all the revelations about the Free Syrian Army, the massacres of Christians and the flights of refugees escaping the Islamist militias, the press strains to return to its old comfortable narrative of brave rebels resisting a vicious dictator.

But dictatorship is a permanent feature of life in the region. And it doesn’t matter much whether a new tyranny is reached through the ballot box or the bomb. The media is unable to reach beyond its simplistic narratives to see that it isn’t merely Gaza or Syria that are burning, but the entire Middle East.

The flames of the Middle East have been lit by a larger regional struggle that has been going on, in one form or another, for generations. It’s not a struggle over big ideas, but over very little ones. Even the fighting between Sunnis and Shiites has its roots in a simple tribal dispute between the family members and successors of Mohammed. Much of the rest of the fighting comes down to equally crude tribal power struggles, which when stripped of their rhetoric, are reduced to battles over racial rivalries and clan ambitions.

After the Arab Spring, the Middle East is far more polarized and on edge than ever. A Post-American Middle East has become a much more dangerous place with little to keep Sunnis and Shiites from battling to the death over the region.

Obama’s premature withdrawal from Iraq tipped that country into the Shiite camp, next to Iran and Syria. Not satisfied with that, his intervention in the Arab Spring tipped Egypt, Libya and Tunisia into the Sunni Islamist camp. Both sides are now playing for Syria, in what is being described as a rebellion, but is actually a repetition of an old religious war.

The Syrian Sunni Jihadists and the Syrian Alawite government are proxies for the larger Shiite and Sunni powers hoping to remake the region in their own image. Whichever one of them wins, the conflict will be far from over. Wars never really end in the Middle East, except with massacres, and as long as there are any survivors left, then the old rivalries will flare to life again sooner or later.

The Muslim world is not terribly good at fighting wars. Certainly not wars of the modern kind. But it is quite good at supplying insurgencies and finding bands of fighters willing to engage in hit and run attacks. With many of the insurgents and factions switching sides more often than the wind changes, all the elements for an endless war are already in place.

Sunni and Shiite militias are already pouring into Syria. But Syria is only the appetizer for the main dish on the menu. Iraq. During the Iraq War, Syrian fighters were crossing into Iraq. These days’ Iraqi fighters are crossing into Syria. But it can just as easily switch around again. A decade of wars has built up a sizable reserve of Jihadists eager and willing to go anywhere for a fight.

Iraq has a sizable amount of oil wealth and is a much sweeter prize than Syria. And despite the media’s refusal to cover anything that doesn’t have the word “Israel” in it; the Iraq War never ended. Instead Maliki is uncomfortably at odds with the Sunnis and Kurds, and the real fighting is likely to begin soon enough, even not counting the usual bursts of Al Qaeda terror.

Iraqi Jihadists found their way to Libya during the Benghazi attack. Now Libyan Jihadists are headed over to Syria. If Syria dies down, they will move on to the next conflict. This reserve of fighters, funded by oil money, is the single biggest development in the region. Each war inflates their totals and their availability starts new wars.

The media insists on trying to see regional developments through the familiar lens of democracy, but in a region separated by inflexible differences, democracy is only another tool of power, no different than the suicide bomber or the massacre. Democracy in the Muslim world is nothing but a means of majoritarian supremacy, not a new stage of moral and political development.

Through a Western lens, a democratic election is a form of progress, but through an Eastern lens it is a means for the majority to assert its power over the minority, leaving the minority with few options but to flee or turn to violence. That is what we have seen throughout the region after the Arab Spring.

Democracy in the Middle East is not a sign of progress, but a precursor to violence, which is exactly what is coming about in Egypt and Tunisia. An election, like a suicide bombing, is a warning that a power struggle has broken out and that the outcome will not be pretty.

The Middle East is burning and the bright flares of the rockets rising over Gaza are only sparks of a hotter flame. The flame is meant to fill the power vacuum left behind by a decadent American policy of soft power. And rather than calming the Arab Street, Obama’s Post-American policies have lit its fuse and set it to blow.

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  • Chezwick

    DANIEL: "Far more people remember Sabra and Shatila than Hama"

    Very telling point.

    At Sabra and Shatila, between six and seven hundred Palestinians were massacred by the Lebanese Christian Phalange…and the Israelis, who had occupied Lebanon at that point in time, failed to intervene….while at Hama, between 15 and 20 THOUSAND Syrians were massacred by their President when he encircled the city with his tanks and proceeded to flatten it.

    The former lives in infamy as a testimonial to man's inhumanity to man, while the latter was just another Middle-Eastern despot cracking down on his opposition.

    The bigotry of low expectations has evolved into a paradigmatic narrative….and shed of its formalities, it goes something like this: Muslim atrocities are tantamount to a natural catastrophe….and like the hurricanes and tornadoes that periodically afflict mankind, they only possible assignation of blame would be to the victims. With nature, man brings it on himself via canards such as "global warming". With Islam, it's also the fault of the victims, of the infidels who engage in "oppression", "occupation", "humiliation", etc.. And the grand remedy is acquiescence: Muslims will abandon their propensity for mayhem once they cease being "oppressed", "occupied", "humiliated"…..in other words, when they are no longer deprived of exactly what they want.

    Problem is, even if we capitulate and Islam conquers the earth…and we all live under the suzerainty of an Islamic Caliphate, the mayhem will roll merrily on. Confessional and doctrinal differences, personal power struggles, and other phenomenon will insure continued bloodletting (just as it existed during the so-called 'Golden Age')….and will forever preclude the Sharia "paradise" that Muslims fantasize about..

    • truebearing

      Well said.

      Isn't it ironic that the two religions that promise utopia on earth, Marxism and Islam, have to torture, imprison, and kill their way to the deluded goal…never to be achieved. They both operate according to the anti-ethic, the end justifies the means, and despite its perfect track record of failure, never learn that the means conditions the end.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Evil is a real force, and it may take a cat nap but never really sleeps.

        • Tanstaafl jw

          Just resting up for the next jihad.

        • mlcblog

          Not real catnaps, either, but stealth moves instead.

    • Jim_C

      Very well put (aside from the misguided remark about the "canard" of global warming, of course).

      • Mary Sue

        The earth hasn't "warmed" since 1996. And the correct term is "Climate Change" (so they can have their cake and eat it too).

        • Jim_C

          There, there, Mary Sue. Now is not the time to argue whether it is the world's scientists who are unanimously agreed about global warming and its causes; or whether it is American conservatives, with the winds (and funds) of the polluting industries behind them, who have the right of it.

          That is a "debate" (though already settled among them book-learnin' types) for a different time.

          • Mary Sue

            "the world's scientists" is such a nebulous group it bears no meaning.

            I do listen to real scientists, like Dr. Roy Spencer, Dr. Timothy Ball (a Canadian), and several others.

            Carbon Dioxide is not, and never shall be, a "pollutant". Its is PLANT FERTILIZER.

            It is not unanimously established that "climate change" is anthropogenic.

          • Jim_C

            Not really. All the major academies of science have endorsed anthropogenic global warming. That's a boatload of scientists, my friend. It ain't a fashion show.

            Scientists live to prove each other wrong. Most climatologists would probably love to be the one to uncover the "scam." Only problem: they aren't entitled to their own facts.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger
          • Chezwick

            Notice Jim C has attempted no retort to your devastating riposte. You've thoroughly shattered his utterly ignorant assertion that there is unanimity among the world's scientists regarding global warming.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            With Wikipedia of all things.

            You think he'd at least know as much as they do.

          • Mary Sue

            I don't care what the "major academies of science" say, given that credible scientists have said they're full of it. It's political. The academies want to continue to get government money to "study" "Global Warming/Climate Change".

          • Drakken

            Trying to explain anything to you liberal/socialist that doesn't fit your narrow world view is like arguing with a child, it is fruitless and frustrating. Just for a little insight into those so called scientist that your worship without question, see who is benifiting and getting truckloads of cash to their causes.

          • Bob A

            Jim C…..perhaps you should take a deeper look into the massive amount of your tax-supported "funds" being flushed down the toilet on bankrupt solar energy companies and the entire bogus "green" industry……or all the "scientists" who will say anything to keep riding the government grant gravy train. Isn't it ironic how nearly everyone shilling for "global warming", from that useless snake oil salesman Al Gore on down the line, have found their own capitalistic way to profit from it?

          • Jim_C

            Ironic? How is that ironic? Making money on innovation is the American way! Since when haven't tax-supported funds incentivized and helped develop industries?

            How is the green industry "bogus?" We have technology with which new construction could actually feed energy back into the grid–there are some people that actually get a check FROM their utility company. The potential for green power is HUGE. But there are heavy interests arrayed against it.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Making money from the private sector is the American way.

            Forcing tax payers into fraudulent payments to crooks is the Chicago way.

          • Mary Sue

            you too can have energy that costs 60 cents a kilowatt/hour.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Now is not the time to argue whether it is the world's scientists"

            Politics never affect science.

            "who are unanimously agreed about global warming and its causes"

            Not.

            "or whether it is American conservatives…"

            Whatever.

            "That is a "debate" (though already settled among them book-learnin' types) for a different time."

            Yes, Al Gore was your professor while the 2 of you invented the…never mind. Show evidence or shut up with your "unanimous" bullshoot. It warmed up today, then cooled. It will warm again tomorrow. Show real statistics, not emotion-tugging statistical distortions.

  • http://www.adinakutnicki.com AdinaK

    In no small measure, the Islamist-in-Chief's ouster of Mubarak – GO NOW – was the precursor to the engulfing storm. It is not as if Islamic barbarians need a reason to kill, as evidenced herein -http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/11/21/ceasedeath-fire-or-not-will-israels-leave-bow-to-the-islamist-in-chiefs-dictates-the-jury-is-out-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki/.

    And the fact of the matter is he created an INTENTIONAL blow back, which will reverberate for decades, soon to be felt on America's shores.

    His rearranging of the decks, in favor of his Muslim Brotherhood Mafia, must be recognized for what it is – the purposeful realignment for their hegemony – http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/08/13/coming-full-c

    Adina Kutnicki, Israel – http://www.adinakutnicki.com/about/

    • JacksonPearson

      I've been reading Daniel Greenfield for years, and just recently found your web site … a big thumbs up. Both of you are excellent contributors. :o)

      • http://www.adinakutnicki.com AdinaK

        Thanks for the heads up…and living in spitting distance to the barbarians…and having been in the 'track and hunt' business, even while back in NYC, it is imperative to share my insights/findings. But of course NOT my sources…in the US and Israel too. Couldn't operate without them. That's a fact.

        Adina Kutnicki, Israel – <a href="http://www.adinakutnicki.com/about” target=”_blank”>www.adinakutnicki.com/about

        • JacksonPearson

          You're welcome. I also post comments over at Pamela Geller's Atlas Shrugs: http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/

          “In Any War Between the Civilized Man and the Savage,
          Support the Civilized Man. Support Israel. Defeat Jihad.”

          ~~Pamela Geller

  • truebearing

    Mr. Greenfield, once again I'm thoroughly impressed with your clarity of vision and lucid style of writing.

    • David. Thailand

      You'll get used to it after a while.

  • Eduardo

    Due to the advancement of leftism, enemy of Western civilization and cristiansimo, the UN and the West treats the Islamic nations as democratic. The authoritarianism and intolerance lies at the root of the customs and "culture" of these peoples by their religion of hate. In the region, only Israel is democratic and owner of a thriving culture and civilization and peace. All others get dirty in their blood and violence, as did their ancestors to the god Moloch, now dressed in a black stone in the middle of nowhere.
    Brazil

    • objectivefactsmatter

      You are correct. I hope you do better against your crazy liberals than we have here in the USA.

  • Gylippus

    Perhaps the single best analysis of the "Arab Spring" I've ready anywhere! Thanks Daniel.

    • A 22 Year Old Man

      There's much more writing like that at his blog, SultanKnish.blogspot.com . I can't tell if you're familiar with DG based on your post, so I figured it's worth it to point out his 'home base.' :)

  • lone ranger

    where is the great obama??.oh I forgot he"s busy joy riding Air force 1………..off to burma, the arm pit of the world, doing what he does best, nothing!!

    • Arlie

      0 is not doing nothing…read above article about giving more money away to back water countries for UN Agenda 21 via wealth redistribution and crony capitalism. Who profits? His friends, the doners to his campaign of marxist/islamist spread the wealth so it all in the end comes back to him. His Chicago way of pay to play. He is pure evil as is the UN. UN out of the US; US out of the UN. 0's rise to power has signaled every evil force in to world into one super evil force. If he is not the anti-christ, he is surely paving the way for one to rise. Hillary Clinton is JUST AS EVIL. As is the Clinton Global Initiative. America is no longer a Constitutional Republic because the checks and balances have been destroyed by Harry Reid, Nancy Piglosi, John Roberts, and Eric Holder. We are now being run by Czars and bureaucrats…the Shadow Government is running everything all else is an illusion to make the stupid American people "think" there is still an America. We are being mocked, drugged, indoctrinated and lied to by EVERYONE in power. There is still a way to over turn this election…it is our last hope….see this website: http://www.fellowshipofminds.com/2012/11/19/the-new-plan.... We might as well go down fighting even though we are fighting an illusion. It is obvious now that the Progressive/Communist/Islamists are both Rs and Ds. All the radical Elites in the world have joined together against individual freedom and are slamming the door shut on anyone having a prayer at upward individual mobility.

      • Mary Sue

        make that nothing productive.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          Sadly, we know your statement will always be literally correct.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "0 is not doing nothing"

        It would be a huge gain for the country if we could limit his damage to nothing.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Hillary arrived to push for a cease fire.
    Yet hamas still fires off the rockets.

    Why doesn't she just hold a press conference and ask the Jews to pull a masada suicide and get it over with?

    • mlcblog

      Because….she likes to posture as in intelligent, helpful person.

    • JacksonPearson

      Check out Hitlery's body language here: http://www.barenakedislam.com/2012/11/21/hillary-

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        It looks like Morsi is wishing she'd cover that limp drab hair up.

        It's clear there is a huge difference, only one of those leaders has our support, and she hates going through the motions and pretending it's Israel.

        • JacksonPearson

          Of course. She looks like she'd like to see Netanyahu dead and Israel drinking salt water..

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Don't they think that soaking in sea water is good for the Jewish complexion?

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "Why doesn't she just hold a press conference and ask the Jews to pull a masada suicide and get it over with?"

      She'd never say that…with an open mic. Some diplomacy must be reserved for the back rooms where deniability can be somewhat maintained.

      Hilary: "It worked with the Nazis, if enough Jews are seen bleeding and dead, 'the world' will rise up and…probably feel bad again for sure."

  • Sparkydoc

    When you kill your own history turns a blind eye, but when you kill "others" history has a keen and permanent memory. It seems like the world has forgotten about the slaughters of Mao and Joe, but it will always remember the one inflicted by Adolph…..

    • H.j.Dcruz

      Please see the genocide done by Muslims not only against their own people but others and it is for this reason that Muslims are dying to come to the west .,

  • Steve Chavez

    OBAMA SUPPORTS ISRAEL. Are Leftist supporters of Hamas screaming?: "Obama is a warmonger. He is funding death and the Zionist Pigs. Take back the Peace Prize. He's worse than Bush."

    The Left is instead having protests in support of Hamas, a terrorist organization. When fighting broke out years ago, the Hamas supporters came out for the first time here in Albuquerque. The most radical was Norman Assad, a local lawyer, and who learned his activism from Gerry Bradley in the 1980's. ANOTHER STUDENT OF GERRY WAS JOSEPH MASSAD, the Columbia University radical Jew hater. At this protest were about five Israeli supporters and about ten university police. One Israeli supporter had "Hamas uses Human Shields" and his sign was being blocked by the Hamas terrorist supporters on the sidewalk. "Honk if you support Hamas." These signs were at the major stop light and there was one honk for every 75 cars that passed.

    Now they are in the streets again. Blame Israel. No blame for Obama like Bush was.

  • marios

    So much world situation and our own country situation remind 1930th when Hitler was elected thru democratic process. Leftists want that repetition as they thirsty for Power. if Republican not recognized that they should have control like "fair share" over MSM especially over TV and the same take control over Educational system (now both are controlled by Leftists/liberals/ Dem's party) our country very soon will be transformed by country of 3RD world. Obama meant it. FBI catch more and more US citizens Muslims terrorists who plotted one after another terract here and MSM pay no attention to it. "Progressive" MSM are accomplices of Islamo-Nazism and neo-commies both of whom want the same: Power.

    • malicious12

      Marios
      " FBI catch more and more US citizens Muslims terrorists who plotted one after another terract here and MSM pay no attention to it" what the hell is that supposed to mean?. The leftest/liberal/democrats control the media and eductional system because that is what our country was founded on, Democratic and liberal values. Now if you want a bigoted, racist, zinoist or islamist system move to Iran or Israel. Both are theocracies that you can vote freely so far you are from same religion or ehtnicity..kinda like Botha's South Africa

  • zalukas

    We, as humans, are very early stages of development. Some will evolve quicker that the others, based solely on conditions of mental awareness of their existence in cosmos.
    We came from stardust. To majority of population this is an unknown fact.
    Contemporary humanity is mostly clueless of true origins of it's creation and therefore will behave like loose rocks in space.
    Willing to evolve must be lead by willing to lead evolved, and Obama and Clinton aren't it.
    "Palestinians" will never be a nation or even a coherent group, ever. Humans called "Muslims" a afraid to evolve and will be left behind or takes us with them.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "We, as humans, are very early stages of development. Some will evolve quicker that the others"

      Totally wrong. It's about culture and ideology. Period.

      "Humans called "Muslims" a afraid to evolve and will be left behind or takes us with them."

      It conflicts with their ideology. Get it? They are afraid to evolve behaviorally, culturally. What, you think the brain "evolves" because the subject human wants to? And they just collectively for some reason don't have the "I want to evolve" gene?

  • κατεργάζομαι

    .
    גּוֹלְדָּה מֵאִיר Golda Meir,
    born Golda Mabovitz ( 3 May 1898 — died 8 December 1978)

    QUOTE:

    ~ "Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us."

    • Mary Sue

      While Golda Meir's quote is technically correct, I do wonder whether she conceived that the Arabs' "love" of their children was so twisted such that they'd willingly slaughter them to gain political points against Israel in order to blame Israel.

      • κατεργάζομαι

        BINGO!
        You, madame are a dullard.

        THE VOICE OF REALITY
        ~ "In every generation, there are always a few who understand.
        Always understand… even if you remain among the few."

        ~ Rabbi Meir Kahane

        Over 3250 years, various Peoples, Religions and Empires marched through Jerusalem, Israel's ancient capital.

        God GAVE the Land of Israel to the Jewish People.

        …. And G-d does nothing by accident! capish?

        • Mary Sue

          your post is confusing.

          • κατεργάζομαι

            ………..I don't doubt your profound confusion, Mary Sue.

            May I re-phrase my post for you, ….. turn up your de-coder ring's volume:

            ____________________________________________

            HERE IT IS AGAIN!

            גּוֹלְדָּה מֵאִיר Golda Meir,
            born Golda Mabovitz ( 3 May 1898 — died 8 December 1978)

            QUOTE:

            ~ "Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us."

          • Mary Sue

            I'm confused because you called me a dullard and then agreed with me.

          • Shake Spear

            you are confused because you are

          • Mary Sue

            I'm confused because I was wondering whether Golda Meir even knew that the Palestinian "Love" for their children was so twisted that no matter how much they "love" their children it won't affect how they hate the Jews (because they'll happily slaughter their own offspring in the service of hating said Jews) and suddenly I find myself under attack.

          • Mary Sue Me

            Golda Meir's comment sums up the Palestinian agenda, you dolt!

            It is not about YOU!

          • Mary Sue

            I don't suppose she foresaw what it would evolve into, though, is all I am saying. Geez, get a grip.

          • Stern

            NO! YOU IDIOT! Golda Meir's foreknowledge! was the point.

            ……..gawd you are annoy.

          • Mary Sue-

            Geez, even foreknowledge evades you.

            Register your name. Mary Sue.

          • Mary Suey

            re: "I'm confused because I was wondering whether Golda Meir even knew that the Palestinian "Love" for their children was so twisted that no matter how much they "love" their children it won't affect how they hate the Jews (because they'll happily slaughter their own offspring in the service of hating said Jews) and suddenly I find myself under attack. "

            IT IS NOT ABOUT YOU! MARY SUE.

            Golda Meir died 40 years before the PLO & HAMAS was strapping bombs to their children.

            You are so dumb you tried to drown a fish.

          • Mary Sue

            But what I was saying is I don't think she FORESAW that development. What is the problem with what I said?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Golda Meir died 40 years before the PLO & HAMAS was strapping bombs to their children."

            That's your evidence of "foreknowledge?"

            Islam has been around for almost 14 centuries. The pattern was well established before Golda was born, never mind her death.

            "You are so dumb you tried to drown a fish."

            Is this where someone is expected to say something like, the same to you but more of it?

          • κατεργάζομαι

            You were called out because you are an un-registered cheap shot.

          • Mary Sue

            dude, I'm using my GOOGLE account. That's legit.

          • Mary 5ue

            FOFLMAO!! Your GOOGLE account? I knew I smelled something raunchy.

          • Mary Sue

            I could as well label yours unregistered? So…?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            If you log in, we get a hyperlink to your account (that is linked to your name each time you publish) and nobody can spoof that here. I am not sure about google log ins, but most registered users are then logged in to the http://intensedebate.com/profiles/<username&gt… pages as well. Then when children try to play at faking an article posted by you, it will be obvious to the regular users.

          • Mary Sue

            well in any case I'm pretty sure the site admin can see all our IPs.

          • Mary Sue is a Crank

            That would be ERSATZ if YOU registered and was HONEST.

            Are you afraid to have a record of your posts that readers can access?

            Hmmmmm?

          • Mary Sue

            *facepalm*
            What's your disability, Faker?

        • Mary Sue

          ok who the hell posted that? That wasn't me.

          • Mary Sue Me

            Mary Sue, such feigned outrage. by registering your name you allow others to quote your past and you are held accountable for your posts.

          • Mary Sue Me Sue

            Last I looked; "Mary Sue" is not a registered name

            Why did YOU receive Obama-protected status?

          • Mary Chop Suey Me

            LOL!

          • Mary Sue

            Neither is yours or any of your alts.

            I'm using Google name. That's registered SOMEWHERE. What's your excuse for looking unregistered?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Last I looked; "Mary Sue" is not a registered name
            Why did YOU receive Obama-protected status?"

            Grow up paranoid freak.

          • Chop Chop Suey

            "Last I looked; "Mary Sue" is not a registered name
            Why did YOU receive Obama-protected status?"

            Grow up paranoid freak.

            Who would have guessed?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Who would have guessed?"

            Clearly not you.

          • Mary Chop Suey Me

            Replying to Mary Sue

            ok who the hell posted that? That wasn't me.

            How does one know this? You are not registered.

          • Mary Sue

            I'm using GOOGLE. That's registered somewhere.

            What about you, you look mighty unregistered. (Your name IS funny though, I will give you that).

            I think you didn't read the rules, dude. Impersonators get b&.

          • STAR GEEZER

            "I'm using GOOGLE. That's registered somewhere."

            Is that any thing like a Star Registry?

          • Mary Suey

            Replying to Mary Sue (quote) –

            "ok who the hell posted that? That wasn't me."

            ..and, HOW DO WE KNOW?

          • Mary Sue-y

            Replying to Mary Sue (quote) – "ok who the hell posted that? That wasn't me. "

            How do we know that?

            You post hundreds od comments without any accountability on FPM…screw you.

          • Mary Sue

            what's this obsession with accountability? I'm using my google account.

          • κατεργάζομαι

            Replying to Mary Sue

            She axed, "what's this obsession with accountability? I'm using my google account.

            The Mary Sue's of the world are often America's election problem because they…
            are inclined toward Motor-Voter & fail to understand the need for voter PHOTO ID laws.

            …..jus sayn'

          • FISH named Mary Sue-

            "·ok who the hell posted that? That wasn't me. "

            register your name & it won't happen.

      • Mary Sue-

        Mary Sue so stupid she could trip over a cordless phone!

    • malicious12

      Yeah, it is the same women that delivered her fellow jews to the Nazi's when she refused hiltler's offer to transfer jews to Dominican Republic, or Kenya. She and Weizman insisted on Palestine. Go read about "The Evan Conference of 1939" called By Roosevelt

      • Stern

        malicious12. Not just ordinary malicious, but multiplied by 12. I don't think I have ever seen a more appropriate screen name on this site.

        • malicious12

          Sorry..don't mean to be mean to anyone, but that's a documented history. Sorry, also for the mistyping. It is the "Conference of Evian" not "Evan"

      • Mary Sue

        why would anyone believe that Hitler would actually transport Jews to the Dominican Republic, when we all know Hitler wanted to KILL ALL JEWS?!

        • Mary Sue

          Is it the same "reason" I post without a registered name? Jus axin'.

      • Mary Sue

        can you say "Boat to wherever full of Jews courtesy of Hitler: ACTUALLY IS DOLAN (HOLOCAUST BOAT)" ?

      • Mary Sue

        can you say "Boat to wherever full of Jews courtesy of Hitler: ACTUALLY IS DOLAN (HOLOCAUST BOAT)" ?

    • Mary Sue

      this wasn't me this was some idiot pretending to be me.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        You should register and l log in since the longer you hang out, the more tempting it is for liberal psychos to pull stunts like that.

        • Mary Sue

          why doesn't using the google account look like registered? That's what I want to know.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            I'm not sure. Do you get email notices, from this reply for example? Go to the top of the comments section to see if you have a hyperlink with your registered name. If you don't, you aren't logged in. Logging in to google for their sites does not automatically log you in to the forum here. If you have to enter your name and email address each time you publish, you aren't logged in here. I believe you must register your google or qualifying account with the forum account that goes by "intense debate."

            I'll look at more details if you can't figure it out, but at the moment I don't see what you do since I'm logged in and have been for weeks.

        • Mary Sue-

          Conservatives are equally offended, sir/madam by these unlevel playing fields.

      • Mary Sue Me

        Oh the outrage of it all. Register your name, dear, then it won't happen again but you shall be held accountable for your past commentary and others can quote you. Such a concept.

        • a reader

          YES! Thank you. Play fair. Mary Sue can not have it both ways – unless she knows the moderators. The later may appear as such based on the deletions for a non-registered name.

          • Mary Sue Me

            I meant to say, the moderators' obvious defference & protection of one Mary Sue against another non-registered (off the rack) "Mary Sue."

            Others must register their name for such nonsense protection.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            The moderators have access to information that you don't. Ever think of that?

          • Mary Sue

            I WISH I know the mods! But they've been pretty good about the reported posts. It may not look "registered" to you but I'm betting they know a Google account when they see one.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "I'm betting they know a Google account when they see one."

            They do, whether you log in or not. They should have your IP address(es), unless you're running around the country using Internet cafe's and whatnot.

        • Mary Sue

          What in the name of all that is holey set you off? I don't get it. Are you bipolar or something?

          I AM USING GOOGLE THAT IS LEGIT.

        • Mary Sue

          says the unregistered account…

          • objectivefactsmatter

            I'm sure your pissing off more than just Mary Sue with stupid accusations. I'd like to see her registered, but why the harassment? It seems 100% innocent to me, and I trust my judgment infinitely more than I trust yours.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      ~ "Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us."

      Which is to say, after they are all dead, or learn the true facts of history and wake up from their nightmare culture and ideology.

  • Jim_C

    "Through a Western lens, a democratic election is a form of progress, but through an Eastern lens it is a means for the majority to assert its power over the minority, leaving the minority with few options but to flee or turn to violence."

    Given their reactions to both of President Obama's elections, are we to conclude American conservatives take the Eastern view?

    • Drakken

      When your god, comrade obummer runs the economy into the ground and the islamist see it as a very good opportunity to stick it to the west, you will see who is able to care for themselves and others versus you leftists who expect everybody else to take care of them. It will be very very brutal.

      • Jim_C

        Do you ever get tired of your harebrained predictions not coming true?

        • Mary Sue

          you forget, liberals are incrementalists. This s___ don't happen overnight.

        • truebearing

          What are you babbling about? He's already run our economy into the ground. He's already begun giving Islamists access to our highest levels of government, including law enforcement.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "Do you ever get tired of your harebrained predictions not coming true?"

          It's a characterization, not a prediction. And it already happened, so if you call it a prediction, I call it correct.

    • Rifleman

      Good question, Jim. I guess that depends on whether one lives under a limited government or an unlimited government. You know what our Founding Fathers said about democracy, and they acknowledged it goes back to the Athenians doing in themselves, in recorded history. You're an educated person Jim, do you think us doing the very thing that everyone since Plato has said would bring our form of government to ruin is wise?

      • Jim_C

        Well, I don't know. Every time we have a Republican in office, government still gets bigger.

        But I'll tell you what: If you guys can come up with creative, constructive alternatives for big government (one example, revamping the entire educational system)–and I'm talking new ideas, not the old talking points–you'll be on to something and you might get my vote.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "Well, I don't know. Every time we have a Republican in office, government still gets bigger. "

          Yes, Reagan expanded the role of government in our daily lives and business. Bush planned and executed the WTC attacks as a pretext for invading our privacy and growing the government. It's just like Obama making sure the Muslim Brotherhood takes over the world wherever they want. There is no difference.

          "But I'll tell you what: If you guys can come up with creative, constructive alternatives for big government (one example, revamping the entire educational system)–and I'm talking new ideas"

          How idiotic. Cutting taxes is bad because while it worked before, it's "old." Getting rid of communist lies in our education systems is a "bad idea" because well, it's just not new enough to work as an idea. Teaching the true objective facts of history? Nah, so yesterday. We tried that before and by gosh, the world did not become perfect that way. We must try new things, anything new that promises free stuff for me! Weee! I love Barry!

          Moron.

        • Rifleman

          I guess you've decided the fast train in the wrong direction is better than the slow train Jim, and that may well be the right choice, just so you know what you're hoping for and why. Economic freedom and the personal responsibility that comes with it have never been equaled in productivity or upward mobility., as if they were ever mutually exclusive. I've read enough of your posts to suspect you may have your doubts

    • truebearing

      Given that Obama sees his election through an Eastern lens, you can't blame us. Obama sees even a small majority* as a mandate for his policies and "majoritarian supremacy." Action begets reaction. His imbalancing of the US, and the world, will lead to many wars, including here in the US.

      *And that majority was even smaller tha it seems given his systemic cheating in virtually every swing state.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "Given their reactions to both of President Obama's elections, are we to conclude American conservatives take the Eastern view?"

      Exactly wrong. Obama won an "eastern" (totalitarian objectives) election. That is why the reactions are justified.

  • Tabris

    I never understood why in the OT God ordered the Hebrews to exterminated all Canaanites (Deut. 7.1-2; 20.16-18). This story was very appalling to me and could not believe that our God would ever give such a command until I read the following in Daniel's story:

    – "Wars never really end in the Middle East, except with massacres, and as long as there are any survivors left, then the old rivalries will flare to life again sooner or later."–

    The Israelites understood the mentality and morals of the Canaanites very well and they knew there would be terrorism and war from any of the survivors indefinitely. Therefore the destruction was to be complete: every man, woman, and child was to be killed.

    Interesting to see that this mentality of continuous hatred and revenge in the Arab world hasn't changed in 3000 years.

    Consequently you can pose the question if the advice God gave to the Hebrews 3000 years ago is still valid today?

    • Mary Sue

      The Canaanites were wicked beyond belief. They made Larry Flynt look like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell. They were constantly sacrificing infants, something that God finds abominable.

      The problem wasn't necessarily terrorism (though the Canaanites were indeed warlike and took over Israel a few times). God was far more concerned that the Canaanite religion would seduce His People away from them with the sheer depravity bound in their "temple prostitution" which would probably attract no small number of young men wanting license to sow their oats.

      "Wait, there's a religion where i can sleep with a woman and that's worshipping the deity? Sign me up!" I wonder how many people today would also fall for that…

      • Stern

        Hey, whatever your name is, you seem to have taken exception to the fact that Mary Sue had the courage to point out just how garbled your posts are. Give it a rest. You're beginning to annoy.

        • Mary Sue

          Hey, Fakey Sue:

          I don't know Biblical Squat, but I so enjoy your style.

          Whoever you are, I could run rings around you in Biblical Knowledge.

        • Mary Sue

          his name looks greek.

      • Mike

        Deuteronomy 22 28-29, in the hebrew. Rape of young girls means the man keeps her.

        Your idea that the Hebrew religion was about controlling males and helping females is incorrect. It was actually a good religion that gave the males the young girls. Nothing like it really exists anymore. Men are dispossessed and women rule the day and will forever.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "Deuteronomy 22 28-29, in the hebrew. Rape of young girls means the man keeps her."

          In those times, virginity was extremely crucial. Nobody else would have wanted her. I'm not saying I can identify with this myself, but it might not have been as bad in context as the other choices would have been. What is your idea for a woman who was raped in this closed religious society? I'm not sure I want to hear the answer, but you seem to want to be taken seriously.

          "Men are dispossessed and women rule the day and will forever"

          According to the liberals, if you let them rule your life. It's totally possible and practical to fight back and win, when it is called for.

        • Mary Sue

          oh that old canard. See here: http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/07/sunday-study-does

          The word in original Hebrew is NOT the same as the word in the passage prior that DOES refer to a rape. Therefore the passage is not describing rape, but the seduction of a virgin not pledged to be married.

          Had the author intended to refer to rape then he would have used the word chazak which does carry the connotations Martin plays on. This is reinforced by the fact that three verses earlier the author does refer to a rape. The law immediately preceding this one begins, “But if a man finds a betrothed young woman in the countryside, and the man forces her and lies with her …” here the word used is chazak, which suggests a violent seizure is used. Bahsen notes, “Just three verses later (Deut. 25:28), the verb is changed to simply ‘take hold of’ her – indicating an action less intense and violent than the action dealt with in verse 25:25 (viz., rape).”[12]

    • malch_uriel

      It can't be implemented today. What can be implemented is the arrival of the ultimate Jewish leader. This leader will either arrive after all or a substantial number of Jews have put aside their quarrels and joined together (one view) or when things have become so bad there is no other alternative (another view). Given that the Jews in ultimate context are a Middle Eastern people (with many of the bad behaviors held in check), the alternative is more likely.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "I never understood why in the OT God ordered the Hebrews to exterminated all Canaanites (Deut. 7.1-2; 20.16-18). "

      IIRC, God told Abraham that his ancestors would be captive in Egypt because the Canaanites did not yet deserve to be destroyed. It was never about selfish shortcuts. It was about justice.

  • Ghostwriter

    Hopefully,those like Schlomotion will never have a rocket come in to his house. No matter how bad this piece of garbage is,that's something I wouldn't wish on anyone.

  • Rifleman

    "The real war is much bigger than gaza." Article subhead on main page (please also include those on the Article page, they're usually pretty good and should be included).

    It's one of the big reasons that I've always been such an unabashed Zionist, even setting aside my religious, cultural, and other logical and common interest reasons. The same people who plot and act towards Israel's destruction won't rest until we're gone too. Our common enemy certainly sees it as a much bigger war. It's neither Christians, nor Jews, that divided the world into dar al islam and dar al haarb.

    • H.j.Dcruz

      Well said .its is a mandate for and a religious obligation for Muslims to rule the world and treat non- mu slims as 2nd or third grade

  • SoCalMike

    Hillary and the rest of the career parasites at the State Department have the sheer audacity to put Israel on the same geopolitical and moral plane as the PLO.
    What perversion of reason and morality!
    The State Department parasites have given birth to this poison in the form of modern weapons and a complete modern military.
    Mrs. Clinton is no lady. She is a Jew-hating witch selling out of this country, the West and the free world.

    If we had a real press corps this would be obvious to everyone but we have false prophets instead.

  • European

    No other group worked so hard for Obama election than the Marxist American Jewry. As an European Jew I am not bound by Pol.Corr. so I dare to say that the impending dissolution of Israel is the work of the American Leftist Jews. The decades of leftist indoctrination by the Jewish media like the N.Y. Times, the Jewish plutocracy and the Jewish elite etc. created Obama and he is about to devour the Jews.

    Multiculturalism, "diversity", Cultural Marxism all were conceived by Jews and now we are witnessing as the originators destroying themselves. No amount of spin and hasbara shall obfuscate the bitter and inveterate truth. Cause and effect at works.

  • Mary Sue

    why are you making such a big deal about this?

    • Fair Faire

      Mary Sue –

      You are a mean, contemptible person.

      Because this environment, allows your congenitally annoying & stoopid remarks, and attack others while YOU have no accountability.

      ~You lap up the same gravitas as REGISTERED posters whom you respond/attack – while they can not access your your posts.

      -NO one who is REGISTERED can go back & cite your inconsistent posting comments,

      - because you DISHONESTLY fly under the RADAR..