Three Fundamental Mistakes in Dealing with Islam

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We made three fundamental mistakes in our dealings with Islam. First, we assumed that the only politically acceptable answer was also the right answer. This is the most common mistake that politicians make.

Second, we established a construct of a moderate and extreme Islam that reflected how we saw it from the outside. This construct had no theological relationship to any actual belief or movement within Islam. Had we made the division into modern and fundamentalist, we would at least have been using words that meant something. Instead we used moderate and extreme in a military sense to mean hostile and friendly or neutral. But as a Vietnam era president and military command should have known, in a guerrilla war not everyone who isn’t shooting at you is friendly or even neutral.

Our construct was black and white with few shades of gray. But the Muslim world is all shades of gray. The absolute choice we wanted them to make, “you’re either with us or with the terrorists”, was foreign to their culture and their way of life. Multiple layers of contradictory relationships and alliances are the norm in the region. You expect to betray and be betrayed, much as you expect to cheat and be cheated while bartering for a carpet at the souk. In a region where coalitions of Fascists, Communists and Islamists are doable, contradictions don’t exist, all alliances are expedient and built on an expected betrayal. The rise of Islam itself was built on broken peace treaties. So it is no wonder then that in response to Bush’s call, they chose both us and the terrorists. Appeasing America and the Islamists at the same time was their version of the politically safe middle ground, the path of least resistance and the only acceptable option.

And the more we prattled about the peacefulness of Islam, the more we looked like we could be easily appeased with a few gestures. And so it was the Islamists who were more threatening, who got the benefit of of their appeasement. We had asked Muslim countries for an alliance with no mixed allegiances, in a region where only kin could ask or count on such an arrangement. And we are not their kin, neither by blood and certainly not by religion. While we insisted that all people were the same, this was a statement of our belief, not theirs. And they did not believe that we believed it either.

Rather than learning what the Muslim world was, we had already decided what we wanted it to be. But our perspective was a foreign one. They might pander to it, but they would never dictate their own beliefs by it. We might talk of a moderate or extreme Islam, but that is our idea, not theirs. There is more than one form of Islam, they are not defined by their extremism or moderation. Nor by their approach toward violence. No more than we are.

Muslim theology is violent, because violence has always been a tool of its expansion. When we ask Muslims to disassociate themselves from violence, we are really asking them to disassociate themselves from Islam. And this they will not do. They will contextually condemn some acts of terror, depending on the identity of the perpetrators and the targets, and the impact of the acts on the nation and ideology of the Muslim or Muslims in question. But they will dub other acts of terrorist as valid resistance. The differences are not moral, but contextual.

The Muslim world is a gray zone full of alliances written on sand where every principle can be bent at need, but is dominated by a religion that pretends to be morally absolute. This is an inherent contradiction. And like most moral conflicts it is resolved through self-deception. Our absolute standards have no meaning when applied to the Muslim world. They have moral force, but little practical relevance.

Islamic moderation is not theology, but pragmatism. Its fanatics are the most trustworthy, and its pragmatists the least trustworthy. We have put our faith in the moderation of the pragmatists, but confusing pragmatism with moderate beliefs, morals or friendship is no better than lapping at the sand of a mirage and calling it water.

Our third and final mistake was to believe that we held all or most of the cards, and were free to give away as many of them as we wanted to. But the more we thought we were calling the shots, the more we were shot at. Because we were not in control. The political, religious and armed conflicts we were engaged in were being fought on their terms, not ours. They began the war. They decided when to initiate the violence or call a halt to it. Their violence set the tone, we tried to defuse it. Our attempts to promote moderation in the Muslim world were reactive. It is the bomber who has the initiative once he chooses to act. And so we tried to teach the bombers not to bomb, while the bombers taught us to appease them.

When a psychiatrist rewards rats for finishing a maze, is it the psychiatrist who is training the rats to finish mazes, or the rats who are training him to give them cheese. The answer to that question hinges on who controls the experiment. While we thought that we were experimenting on the Muslim world to make them more moderate, they were actually experimenting on us to teach us to appease them.

While we were trying to force the Muslim world into our maze with two openings, one labeled ‘extreme’ and one labeled ‘moderate’, they were really moving us into their meta-maze with two openings, ‘death’ or ‘appeasement’. Our plan was to keep forcing them to choose the moderate openings in order to moderate them and break them of any attachment to terrorism. But our chief method for moving them there was appeasement. Once we got bogged down in Iraq, appeasement became our only method. While we thought that we were leading them to the moderate opening in our maze by appeasing them, they were leading us to the appeasement opening in their maze.

The rats turned out to be training the psychiatrist and they have done an excellent job of it. The Muslim world is more Anti-American than it was 10 years ago, while we are more pro-Muslim. Each time they finish the moderate maze and assure us how peaceful Islam is, we gift them with the cheese of appeasement. Rather than teaching them to be moderate using the reward of our appeasement, they have taught us to appease them using the reward of their faked moderation. Like tourists at the souk, we have been cheated badly by laying out good money for a fake rug. But worse than that we have been turned into rats in their maze, rushing to appease them in the hopes that they will reward us by being moderate.

Pavlov demonstrated that once you teach dogs to associate a ringing bell with a meal, they will salivate when you ring the bell even when there is no food. So too rats will keep running the maze even when there is no cheese. So too governments continue appeasing Islam, even when the promised cheese of moderation fails to yield any significant changes on the ground. A plot broken up here or there. Or even a mosque that opens its doors to the FBI or Scotland Yard is enough for them. But is it the FBI that is teaching Muslims to be more cooperative, or Muslims who are teaching the FBI to be more accommodating. Who is the psychiatrist and who is the rat?

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  • Abdul

    The frustration of the Writer is open wide in this article….why not the writer looks at the issue this way…it was US who wanted to fight USSR by creating Taliban there were no taliban before USSR war….Taliban were ruling Afghan and not USA and implementing rules on Afghans and not americans….9/11 was not done by Muslims it was insiders job why was the inquiry not completed…what is the answers to various youtube videos which show soft demolition,fire fighter saying Bombs exploding inside,Engineers proving such powerful building can't comedown due to planes. And for Iraq Amercians Lies are exposed about WMD (when did they speak Truth ?)the list is long….And one more aspect why Osama used to prepare videos only at election times,why osama is dead near to election year and why Obama never fulfills promises he does like World's worst human abuses Cell Guantanamo is still active…And You say Islam is problem.It reminds me of the joke a person using his finger touches his chest and says it is paining,he touches his leg and says it is paining and each part he touches with his finger he concludes it is broken and finally realises it is not the whole body it is the finger that is BROKEN. it is not the problem of Islam it is the problem with American Policy.

    • Annie

      You are insane!

    • Maher

      The Arabs occupied peoples since the 7th century B.C. The nature of their rule never change: ethnic and religious cleansing. It turned native Jews and Christians into minorities in their own lands, converting them to Islam, appropriating their shrines and erasing their history. So you are lecturing us about what, Abdul?

      • randy

        Just like the christians did to native americans

        • Stephen_Brady

          You must be speaking about "aboriginal Americans". Everyone born in America is a native American …

        • pennswoods

          You forget that during the process of colonizing the America's those "evil" European Christians brought Western Civilization with it's acumulated knowledge including basic concepts like the wheel, the horse, as well as European learning and technology which helped to improve the lives of the "Native Americans" and eventually bring the majority of the indigenous peoples of North and South America out of their pre and post stone age cultures and into contact with the modern world. If you hate this concept sell your house and investments. Then, donate your wealth made in this land of the evil Christain white man to the "Native Americans" and after you do that go back to the lands of your ancestors and shut up.

    • Larry

      Nice taqqiya, and as usual with taqqiya, it's a lie.

      Just the line about the Taliban gives it away, the Taliban were created after the USSR pulled out of Afghanistan by the Pakistani ISI so that Pakistan had a proxy to control Afghanistan.

      And as for the the 9/11 inside job, only an idiot, an nutcase, or a muslim would believe that.

      • Abudllah

        Larry good point LOL

        im an exmuslim so dont confuse me with the name Abdallah

        I can even help you on your accurate comment on Taliban. The USSR pulled out from Afghanistan in 1989 and Taliban was formed and came into existence in 1994 and quickly after that, the first thing they did to demonstrate how Islam is a 'religion of peace' they destroyed anciet Bhuddist statues. Yeah your right on the money,. my advice is always keep eye on their Taqiya. Dont let them tell you they dont use it. Even their pedophile prophet used on the people of his time.

    • Big Irish

      "not the problem of islam"……????….you dont have a clue – the war on terror is islam – it is a vile – disgusting – violent ideology that like cancer must be eradicated – simple as that – muslims are an ignorant – violent – terroristic – untrustworthy – lying – murdering bunch that have to be destroyed – American Policy?….dont think so abdul – and it all started with yur violent – pedophile – murdering prophet – (pissbeuponhim)…good riddance – the sooner the better – islam.

    • ziontruth

      "It reminds me of the joke a person using his finger touches his chest and says it is paining,he touches his leg and says it is paining and each part he touches with his finger he concludes it is broken and finally realises it is not the whole body it is the finger that is BROKEN."

      The broken finger is yours, Abdul. People in so disparate places as Nigeria, America, Thailand, Russia and Israel are recipients of the same kind of terror specials you Muslims are known for—foremostly, suicide-murder terrorism—and you Muzzies bleat about "American foreign policy," "European racism," "Zionist colonialism," "Hindu intransigence," in short, you blame everyone but the Nazi-like, aggressive imperialist political ideology that is inseparable from your religion of Islam.

      You're creating out of your victims worldwide a monster held in check only by inadequate leadership. Once those chains are broken, in each part of the world separately, every nation at its own time and pace, all hell is going to break loose. When the one part of the prophetic statement that "His hand will be on everyone" is clearly to be seen, it is only a matter of time until the other part, the one that says, "And every hand will be on him," comes to pass. Count on it!

    • Joe

      And you idiots kill people over political policies? Murder is your answer for everything. We don't like the political policies of Islamic countries, either, but do you see us flying airplanes into the pyramids? You pray to a mass murdering, thieving, raping, enslaving, pedophile and think he is an instrument of God when he tells you to kill everybody who doesn't want to be Muslim, or who doesn't want to be Muslim any longer. That's no the God the rest of the world knows. You people are being duped by mullahs who are only politicians, not theologists. They wouldn't know God if he bit them in the ass.

    • Urban Infidel

      Hey Abdul-

      The only 'soft demolition' here is the act of your brain synapses disintegrating. Your mind committed suicide the first day you bowed to your devil god.

      Urban Infidel

      New York City

      USA

    • Yussuf

      You may believe you are the slave of god (ABDUL). Still you are nothing more then a slave. You think like one and act like on

    • Dave Thompson

      Shoo, Paulbot, shoo!

  • kongMing

    Good article but missing practical solutions.

    A raging tiger will never swallow a porcupine. We should gather low hanging fruit by improving ourselves first. Eliminate the drug trafficking infrastructure in the Western Hemisphere which much terrorism relies on for funding, weapons, information and importing terrorist agents. Strengthen our financial system by less regulations and easier access to capitol, mainly by opening up government contracts. Bring us closer to those really wanting freedom in the world through better collaboration.

    Instead of splitting Moslems, split their superpower backers looking for an American counterbalance by attacking the financing from Russia and China. Back the Ayatollah into a corner where they must pay millions and millions of dollars to prevent another Chernobyl, and when their debts mount up pop the commodity bubble by mining shale and creating an energy glut. Use better precision and design in manufacturing to not even require the energy in the first place. Use automation to flood the market with less expensive consumer goods so China becomes a consumer market and turns their eye inward.

    BTW Ron Paul just said the gangster Ayatollah would never kill his own scientist. Really? Even if they wanted to defect? Also don't you think there other nations who want to spend their money on hospitals, desalination, factories and schools and not on a nuclear arms race in the region?

    • Skippyroadster

      Is it possible that the death of the scientists is the excuse for a failing nuclear project? "They killed our scientists and therefore we are behind schedule…"

    • umustbkidding

      You misunderstand the goal of the US government. You are assuming that the government and it's citizens goals are aligned. They are not. Our government right now is headed by a Muslim, with other Muslims in high places. Therefore the miss-characterization. All heading toward one foolish goal. One world government. Like there could actually be one ruler.

      The communists have always thought that they can take the world apart and put it back together – just the way they want it. Fools

      But that doesn't mean that our pain won't be or isn't real.

  • oldtimer

    We all need a good history lesson.. Study Thomas Jefferson and what he thought about the Muslim's, Barbary Coast pirates. Paying them off didn't work than and he was the one who recognized it and stopped it. >>>>to the shores of Tripoli! Semper Fi

    • Skippyroadster

      Check out Churchill on Islam.

      • oldtimer

        I especially like when he said…..an appeasor is one who feeds the crocodile hoping to be the last eaten, or something like that.

  • kafir

    Don't hire muslims. (we don't) Don't shop in their stores. (We don't) Don't shop where they hire muslims (We don't, and we let the owners / managers why) It's a safety issue. As not all dogs have rabies, not all muslims are terrorists. With a dog, you can check their records to see if it's been vaccinated. You can't do that with muslims. There are no records to check, and muslims will side with even the rabid muslims. Keep yourself and your family safe. Avoid muslims as if they have rabies…….because you can't tell, and never know.

    Stay safe, infidels.

    • Imtiaz Allam

      Replace muslims with Jews in the above manifesto and you're harking back to Munich c1938.

      • Tom

        Like in Godwin's Law, playing the Nazi card just means you have no substantive response. Try offering practical alternatives to the Muslim-Sharia threat if you don't like what was suggested.

        And as an aside, it would be laughable if it wasn't so disingenuous when Muslims play the Nazi card against anyone. It's like the KKK calling someone a "bigot," only less credible.

      • Maher

        You don’t say! Racial § religious anti-Muslim legislation same to anti-Jewish laws in Munich c1938? Rather dhimitude in Washington c2008!

      • Indioviejo

        Except that Jews were real victims and Muslims are real perpetrators of evil.

    • Big Irish

      maybe….Not all muslims are terrorists – but almost ALL terrorists are muslim"…..

    • http://www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm Alexander Gofen

      kafir is absolutely correct. And if somebody tend to blame him in xenophobia, a moderate xenophobia is good and necessary for preserving the national identity in any nation.

      Imtiaz Allam offers a demagogic counter argument "Replace muslims with Jews…"

      1) Jews did not come to Europe on their own will. They were expelled from ancient Israel and they had no place to go from Europe. On the contrary, moslems have more than 20 islamic nations from where they came.

      2) Jews did not come to host nations with the goal to accommodate those nations to Judaism, and deliver them to "Umma". It is moslems who do that.

      3) The most important however is that the Christian civilization is in essence the Judeo-Christian civilization. (Not all Christian agree with this – fine). Yet it is obvious that (Judeo) Christian civilization is antithetic to islamic civilization.

  • hammar

    islam is a false religion with false prophet and these people are the lost souls of the world.
    no one can help them but the Lord God Himself, Jesus Christ. There is no salvation anywhere else but through Him.

    • JEM

      Yes, and Jesus Christ once said of the one who is the "Allah" of Islam: "He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it." John 8:44

      • Arnold Fishman

        yes, right hammar and jem. And Jesus says the devil is the father of lies, and he comes to Steal, Kill and Destroy. That sounds a lot like the character description of Islamicism on the march!

    • Boris Badenough

      When we come to a religious fork on the road, and we need to ask for directions, who do we ask? The live person, of course. And so it is with Islam…Mohammed is dead; yet Jesus is alive because He resurrected from the dead and now sits on the right hand of the Father—His Father.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    There is more than one form of Islam, they are not defined by their extremism or moderation. Nor by their approach toward violence. No more than we are.

    You are wrong as always. There is only one Islam and that is mainstream orthodox Islam, anything other than mainstream orthodox Islam is not Islam, it is blasphemy, which in mainstream orthodox Islam is a capital offense.

    Now, within mainstream orthodox Islam, there are two major branches of Islam, Sunni Islam and Shi'a Islam, and within Sunni and Shi'a Islam there are various schools of Islamic jurisprudence and numerous smaller branches such as Sufis, Wahhabis, Salifis, Deobandis, Barelvi, Twelvers, Alevis, etc. However, Ahmadis, who also claim to be Muslims, are not considered to be Muslims by mainstream orthodox Islam. Therefore, they are kafir and as a result violently oppressed and systematically persecuted when not outright slaughtered altogether, exactly like Christians and all other non-Muslim unbelievers.

    In addition, within mainstream orthodox Islam, on approximately 75 percent of all substantive matters, such as the obligatory duty for every Muslim on earth to fight jihad in the cause of Allah against non-Muslim unbelievers to make Islam supreme, there is full agreement. On the remaining approximately 25 percent, while there are many differences, none of those differences are substantive and all of them are just minor.

    Further, the sixth and most important pillar of Islam and the infamous sword verses of the Koran make it an obligatory duty in Islam for every Muslim on earth to fight jihad in the cause of Allah against non-Muslim unbelievers to make Islam supreme. Thus, ALL MAINSTREAM ORTHODOX MUSLIMS ON EARTH are jihadists. A tiny minority of them are violent jihadists, while the vast overwhelming majority of them are non-violent stealth and deceptive jihadists, and the few that are not jihadists are not Muslims at all, but instead blasphemous apostates that per the dictates of MAINSTREAM ORTHODOX ISLAM must be executed.

    In addition, unless something very drastic happens, the Islamic world can't hope to conquer the West via violent jihad, as the West is just way too far advanced for that to happen. However, via non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad, such as mass Muslim immigration to the West for the purpose of stealth demographic conquest, the Islamic world can conquer the West. In fact they are already doing it throughout Europe and they will also do it in the USA as well unless we make a course correction.

    Hence, the greatest threat emanating from Islam does not emanate from violent jihad, as non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad relative to violent jihad is employed by the Islamic world against the West astronomically far more prevalently. In addition, if it weren't for non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad, such as mass Muslim immigration to the West for the purpose of stealth demographic conquest, violent jihad in the West today would be impossible, as the only reason that violent jihad is an issue today is due to mass Muslim immigration to the West for the purpose of stealth demographic conquest, as zero Muslims living in the West would equal zero violent jihad attacks.

    However, because of PC multiculturalism, jihad, which can be both violent and non-violent but usually is mostly only non-violent, is always conflated and morally equated as being terrorism, which as its name implies is always only violent. Thus, because jihad and terrorism is always conflated thanks to PC multiculturalism, non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad, such as mass Muslim immigration to the West for the purpose of stealth demographic conquest, is able to take place today throughout the West completely below the radar of scrutiny and totally unacknowledged and unopposed. Indeed, since non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad isn't violent, it isn't construed as being terrorism, and if it isn't construed as being terrorism, then it isn't outlawed or opposed.

    Muslim theology is violent, because violence has always been a tool of its expansion.

    Actually it is both violent and non-violent. In fact, the Islamic world employs non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad relative to violent jihad against the West astronomically far more prevalently.

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  • ObamaYoMoma

    They will contextually condemn some acts of terror, depending on the identity of the perpetrators and the targets, and the impact of the acts on the nation and ideology of the Muslim or Muslims in question. But they will dub other acts of terrorist as valid resistance. The differences are not moral, but contextual

    As usual this writer is always wrong. Terrorism is un-Islamic and therefore constitutes blasphemy, which in Islam is a capital offense. Muslims never ever perpetrate terrorism unless they are blasphemous apostates, in which case they must be executed per the dictates of mainstream orthodox Islam.

    However, on the other hand, Muslims fight jihad in the cause of Allah against non-Muslim unbelievers to make Islam supreme, and jihad, in stark contrast to terrorism, which as its name implies is always only violent, can be both violent and non-violent and in fact is primarily non-violent. Unlike terrorism, which can be for any number of political causes, jihad is always only in the cause of Allah, targets primarily only non-Muslim unbelievers, either civilian non-combatants as in the Madrid Train Bombing or military combatants such as US troops in Afghanistan and Iraq as opposed to terrorism, which indiscriminately targets primarily civilian non-combatants, is fought by jihadists that are mainstream orthodox Muslims as opposed to terrorists that are political extremists.

    but is dominated by a religion that pretends to be morally absolute.

    Actually, Islam isn't a religion. Instead it is a supremacist theo-political totalitarian ideology that masquerades as being a religion to dupe the gullible societies it targets for eventual subjugation via the imposition of Sharia for the purpose of stealth demographic conquest to eventually make Islam supreme.

    Indeed, Islam is far closer to being a totalitarian ideology like Communism than it is to being a religion, as just like Communism, Islam seeks world domination, and the end result of Islam, exactly like Communism, is totalitarianism and lots and lots of misery.

    In fact, blasphemy and apostasy in Islam are capital offenses. Name one faith-based religion in the world that likewise punishes blasphemy and apostasy as capital offenses. There aren't any, proving irrefutably that Islam is not a faith-based religion.

    Hence, since Islam is not a faith-based religion, it isn't protected under the first amendment of the constitution, and if it isn't protected under the first amendment of the constitution, then Islam needs to be outlawed and mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage needs to be banned and reversed ASAP.

    They began the war. They decided when to initiate the violence or call a halt to it. Their violence set the tone, we tried to defuse it. Our attempts to promote moderation in the Muslim world were reactive.

    Actually, Bush's wars were totally counterproductive, fantasy based, and preordained to fail because they were based on false PC multicultural myths and misconceptions about Islam. In addition, the writer's attempt to redefine the way we see Islam today after those two very disastrous fiascos in Iraq and Afghanistan is also still absurd and ridiculous because it is also all based on false PC multicultural myths and misconceptions about Islam. Hence, it's all a complete waste of time. As for as the writer's ludicrous exercise in psychoanalyzing goes, please forgive me if I bypass giving myself unnecessary brain damage.

    Anyway, some of us have been warning about the inevitable for years.

    • Tanstaafl

      To add to your remarks – Islam divides humanity into 2 groups: believers and unbelievers. Muslims believe that they are superior to to us simply because they are the followers of Mohammed and that we are the equal of dogs and feces. We are najis, unclean.

      Instead of a religion, Islam is a cult of supremacy on the model of Nazism. To truly defeat Islam, we must isolate it and prevent the spread of Islam to any and all other cultures.

      We cannot "reason" with "elements" of Islam. After all, the mice cannot vote to bell the cat.

    • Arnold Fishman

      islam is using the communist Gramscian playbook using all available means–stealth jihad or fifth column trojan horse. And now they use the liberal media to supply additional disinformation about their advances. How subtle and deceptive. Smoke and mirrors. We need to keep pressing for State-wide bans on sharia laws.

    • Western Canadian

      Nice to know some things never change. Sadly, some of them would be better changed…. like this loons habit of conflating his delirium with scholarship.

      Islam = terrorism.

      And your brain is already totally damaged, no fear of it getting worse.

      • ObamaYoMoma

        Islam = terrorism.

        So mass Muslim immigration to the West for the purpose of stealth demographic conquest equals peace according to you?

        • Western Canadian

          Hey skippy, we know you are stupid, but even for you, that is a breathtaking distortion of what was said. You are pitiable.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            By the way, where is your skippy buddy? Uhm….

  • magic

    If you look at islam, not as a religion, but as acult of Mohammad than everything begins to fall in place and we won't worry about banning it – which we should.

  • Zundfolge

    Ann Barnhardt outlined the biggest mistake we make with Islam recently (however her blog isn't set up to link to single posts … which is extremely frustrating).

    Her point is that we keep falling for the big lie that Islam is even a religion.

    Here's her words:

    This all goes back to the false premise that islam is a religion. I can't overemphasize this enough. So long as Western Civilization continues to fall for the lie and stone-cold con that islam is a religion and not a totalitarian political system, then we will lose. You CAN NOT build anything, much less an entire civilization, upon a false premise. If you start from a false premise, then you will end up with a false answer that *appears* to be true. Arguing that islam is a religion is like starting a mathematical proof from the premise that 0 = 1.

    *If islam is a religion, then it is constitutionally protected. Since the core tenet of islam is the overthrowing of all secular governments, the Constitution of the United States itself demands that musloids be permitted to wage war against the United States and its Constitution with NO RESISTANCE. In other words, the Constitution demands its own destruction.

    0 = 1.

    *If islam is a religion, then the free exercise of islam is constitutionally protected as a fundamental human right. Since a core tenet of islam is the genocide and total extermination of the Jews, the constitution demands that musloid extermination of the Jews is a fundamental human right of the musloids. In other words, killing Jews is a constitutionally protected activity and human right, while the Jews have no right to exist.

    0 = 1.

    *If islam is a religion, then free exercise of islam is constitutionally protected as a fundamental human right. One of the core tenets of islam is the subjugation of non-muslims by either execution or the paying of a tax. The constitutional guarantee of equal protection under the law, confirmed by the words of the Declaration, "all men are created equal" is thus self-nullified by the First Amendment which guarantees muslims the right to free exercise which requires societal superiority of musloids and the required deprivation of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness of all non-musloids.

    0 = 1.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      This all goes back to the false premise that islam is a religion. I can't overemphasize this enough. So long as Western Civilization continues to fall for the lie and stone-cold con that islam is a religion and not a totalitarian political system, then we will lose. You CAN NOT build anything, much less an entire civilization, upon a false premise. If you start from a false premise, then you will end up with a false answer that *appears* to be true. Arguing that islam is a religion is like starting a mathematical proof from the premise that 0 = 1.

      Here, here! The truth is the notion that Islam is a religion, much less a religion of peace, is one of many false PC multicultural myths and misconceptions about Islam that that are accepted without question, Indeed, you can't build anything upon a false premise, which explains why both fantasy based nation-building missions in Iraq and Afghanistan were preordained to fail.

      • ziontruth

        Islam is part religious beliefs and practices, and part political ideology. However, since there is no possibility of separating between the two parts, then for all intents and purposes Islam should be regarded as a political movement on the order of Nazism and Marxism.

    • Conniption Fitz

      Certain religious practices, such as human and animal sacrifice, sexual assault, pedophilia and violence are unlawful and so some religions must conform to the law.

      However, forcing Christian churches to allow and/or perform same-sex marriage is not constitutional.

      And, forcing Christians and anyone else to participate in abortion by knife, lethal injection, vaccuum or pill is the same as forcing them to participate in a satanic ritual.

      Forcing Christians to approve a lifestyle and acts that are unhealthy and unholy are against the constitution.

      Teaching children to perform these unclean and proven unhealthy acts is reprehensible and irresponsible – it is sexual assault. (see CDC reports)

      Public pride parades with lewd chants, behaviors and clothing are also sexual harrassment and sexual assault.

      It ain't happening Obama and Hillary.

      • Conniption Fitz

        That is, some religions must either be forbidden or changed to conform to the law since their practices violate human rights and human decency.

        NOTE – sexual gratification is not a basic human right. Promiscuity and homosexual acts are not a healthy choice. Abstinence, self-control and respect and a faithful heterosexual marriage are the proven healthiest choices.

        • Uncle Samuel

          Honor killings certainly fall within the unlawful and forbidden by decency realm.
          Raping, then stoning women is an evil unjust practice.
          Calling Jews, Christians and women animals, denying them rights, spewing out death threats and calls for killing them is unlawful.

          Punishing dissent and leaving your religion with death are all unlawful.

          Christianity believes in salvation and redemption because Jesus forgives us, and he changes our hearts and helps us to abandon our sin and amend our lives.

          • ziontruth

            All this debate about values, which values to permit, which to forbid, goes to show why it's better for a nation to frame this as a war for survival instead of "standing up for values" or other such moralistic stuff.

            Islam wants non-Muslims under a protection racket at best, more likely faced with the choice between conversion and death in most cases. What further reason is needed to place a total ban on this hostile political ideology in one's country and deport all its adherents from it? You make it about survival, you sidestep the whole morality debate and deal with the issue like any other enemy threat—like an army attacking you on your soil, which the columns of Muslim invader-immigrants actually are.

            And you don't get hoist on your own petard that way. "Why a church or synagogue but not a mosque on Ground Zero?" Because mosques are where a message of political supremacism is preached and terrorist plots are hatched, while the same can't be said of churches and synagogues.

  • mrbean

    Western civilization was the child and product of reason — via ancient Greece. In all other civilizations, reason has always been the menial servant — the handmaiden — of mysticism. You may observe the results. It is only Western culture that has ever been dominated — imperfectly, incompletely, precariously and at rare intervals — but still, dominated by reason. You may observe the results of that. The conflict of reason versus mysticism is the issue of life or death — of freedom or slavery — of progress or stagnant brutality.

  • Maher

    ObamaYoMoma is right. The Muslims as a whole pretend that violence is unislamic There are hundreds of fatwas a day issued against what(who)ever contradicts this obscurantist dogma. Have you ever seen a fatwa against the cohorts of "martyrs"? Against Bin Laden?
    Anybody?

    • ziontruth

      There is no more damning evidence than the comparison between the Muslims' violent reaction to the Danish cartoons and their silence on the rape and massacre of schoolchildren in Beslan. Once I had those two facts to compare, any doubts I still had about the futility of finding a "peaceful Islam" or of reforming Islam vanished.

  • MethanP

    Also forgotten is the Arabist lobby in the US State Dept. They have been an anti-Zionist force from the beginning.It has been and will continue to be impossible to have American interests paramount as long as this group continues to guide US Middle East policy.

  • magic

    islam has all the hallmarks of being a cult.

    Does it revere one person above all else? Yes, Mohammad.
    Are the followers free to leave: No, they’ll be killed.
    Does it purport itself to be the one and only path to righteousness: Yes.
    Does it degrade, despise and humiliate those that do not follow its precepts: Yes, actually they’ll be killed.

    I could go on…
    But come to think of it, it is worse than a cult, it is a nihilistic murdering construct.

    • Maher

      Not to mention the brain washing!

    • Guest

      magic: Read "Mohammed, A Psychobiography" by Ali Sina and available on Amazon. "Islam" is absolutely a cult and a murderous one at that. Mohammed was a narcissist of the Hitler/Stalin/Mao ilk who suffered from temporal lobe epilepsy…among other physical and mental ailments. His promises of earthly conquest, booty, rape, pillage, murder, and subjugation of all other men enticed his henchmen to follow him.

  • hogrider kafir

    ObamaYoMoma,
    Your comments are right on target. The only reason why anyone would believe Islam to be a religion is willful blindness or they are a part of the cult themselves. There is way too much information and documented facts available for any sane person to come to any other conclusion. Keep up the great posts.
    Another Kafir

  • Ben

    Stop crying. The 7th century mummy was awaked by the West for its oil.Muslims entered Europe as the cheap labour force,Muslims where used against Jews and Israel and against USSR. West is so carried with Islam that its own awakening is too late.After the oil tonic will be finished the mummy will fell asleep.

  • baoxian

    It's really all about pragmatism versus idealism. Islamic culture is tribal, proud, and outcome oriented. They could care less about our lofty speeches about democracy and our pained politically correct posturing. Are we strong or are we weak? Will it benefit them more to ally with us or oppose us? Can they get a better deal elsewhere?

    Reagan had it right with Libya in the 80's. Punch them square in the face, dictate terms, and they respect you for it. But fight a decade long limited war while apologizing the whole time and it shows weakness that they'll be happy to exploit.

    Of course much of the blame lies with the left and conspiracy kooks, that blamed Bush and were even against fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan. One swift, massive retaliation and this war could have been over in weeks with a decade of peace following. Instead we had to appease them with a touchy-feely, feel-good, made-for-TV, war that didn't allow us to really win, and opened the door for exploitation by the Islamic world.

  • LindaRivera

    For the survival of America, Israel and the West, we must:

    1. Immediately stop financing the anti-human rights, anti-Free World, Muslim/Leftist dominated UN.

    2. We must immediately stop giving money to other countries/organizations, ESPECIALLY Middle Eastern Muslim countries and PLO/PA/Hamas.

    It is up to the swimming in trillions of dollars oil wealth Muslim Middle Eastern countries to support their Muslim brothers, NOT bankrupt, America, Europe and the UK, et al.

    3. America and other countries must immediately stop giving military training and weapons to the genocidal PLO/PA army who use all the training against Israel.

    4. For ally, Israel's survival, we must insist that Israel declare sovereignty over Judea, Samaria and Gaza. It is no secret that PLO/PA/Hamas, et al, plan a Second Holocaust of Jews.

    5. Arab Muslims in Judea, Samaria and Gaza must be offered a financial incentive to permanently move to any one of 56 Muslim countries.

  • LindaRivera

    6. Stop fighting wars. We have absolutely NO money to fight wars. Economic experts say that we are going to have a Depression greater than the Great Depression.

    What have we achieved in Iraq? A secular government has been replaced with SHARIA law, courtesy of the U.S. Afghanistan, after our intervention now also has sharia law government.

    In Iraq and Afghanistan, UK and US military fight under rotten ROE (Rules of Engagement) where the lives of Muslim terrorists are considered more valuable than the lives of our military. They call it winning hearts and minds for Islam. Our military are being forced to die for Islam! Shameful.

    Iraq, after our intervention has become an extremely dangerous place for Christians. Huge numbers have fled for their lives. So what have we achieved?

    Have the military come home and protect our borders which are left unguarded. It has been proven that many Muslim terrorists have easily crossed our borders (including weapons of mass destruction?). Hezbollah have set up operations close to our border and Hezbollah work closely with violent Mexican drug cartels.

    Have the military guard our ports and check all cargo.

    7. Close down all of the many Muslim terrorist training camps which are ALLOWED to operate in America.

    8. Government and media must stop consulting with Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood front groups, such as CAIR, etc.

    I can dream that our government would actually want to protect America.

  • PETER

    We are stuck with our first mistake by guaranteeing freedom of religion without defining religion. We have suffered an number of newly created religions and a 1400 year old "religion" that worships violence. So the constitution is, after all, a suicide pact.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    We are stuck with our first mistake by guaranteeing freedom of religion without defining religion. We have suffered an number of newly created religions and a 1400 year old "religion" that worships violence. So the constitution is, after all, a suicide pact.

    No, you are wrong, as Islam isn't a faith or a religion, because Islam requires all Muslims to totally, completely, and unconditionally submit to the will of Allah, Indeed, the word Islam in Arabic means “submission” and the word Muslim in Arabic means “one who submits.”

    Thus, unlike in true faith-based religions where adherents are perfectly free to question and even challenge the texts and tenets of their respective religions and to leave their respective religions or to even convert to another religion altogether if so desired, in Islam, on the other hand, because the freedom of conscience is forbidden, those same actions, blasphemy in the first instance and apostasy in the second, are capital offenses.

    Hence, how many faith-based religions likewise punish blasphemy and apostasy via the penalty of death? The answer is zero, irrefutably proving at the same that Islam isn't a faith-based religion.

    Therefore, if Islam isn't a faith based religion, what exactly is it? It's a supremacist theo-political totalitarian ideology that masquerades as being a religion to dupe the gullible societies it intends to eventually subjugate into a very draconian form of Islamic totalitarianism via the imposition of Sharia to make Islam supreme.

    Indeed, Islam is far closer to Communism than it is to being a faith-based religion, as just like Communism, Islam seeks world domination, and the end result of Islam, exactly like Communism, is totalitarianism and lots and lots of misery.

    Hence, if Islam isn't a faith-based religion, it isn't protected by the first amendment of the constitution, and if it isn't protected under the first amendment of the constitution, then it should be outlawed and mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage, which is really non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad for the purpose of stealth demographic conquest to make Islam supreme, should be banned and reversed ASAP.

    • g_jochnowitz

      For most of the history of Christianity, trials and executions for heresy an apostasy were the rule and not the exception.

      • ObamaYoMoma

        What the hell does Christianity have to do with anything moonbat? As a matter of fact, Islam isn't even a damn religion.

        Indeed, just like all moronic leftwing loons, you have been conditioned to attack Christianity anytime you see, read, or hear the word Islam or Muslim. You are incredibly mentally incompetent.

  • Jaladhi

    Islam is 100% pure unadulterated evil and turns it's followers into zombies who can't differentiate between good and evil. In fact their definitions of good and evil are exactly opposite of definitions followed by normal human beings. Same goes for morality – followers of Islam have no morality as we see from their conduct all over the world. Murder and rape was the main stay of Mo/allah, the inventor Islam, and Muslims follow him emulating his conduct and his life's misdeeds "religiously"!! Islam should be dealt with as we deal with other evils to point of it's elimination from this earth. Otherwise humanity won't survive!!

  • g_jochnowitz

    Violence leads to violence. Since so many Muslims wish to be violent against Israel and against Jews, and since Jews and Israelis are not available in most Muslim countries, they have to kill each other, faute de mieux. Now even Hamas is turning against Shiites despite the fact that Iran is their major ally: http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/hamas-b
    If you are intolerant, the intolerance spreads to members of your own religion. Think of how Protestants and Catholics killed each other during the 30-Years War.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      What the hell does any of your insane crap remotely have to do with anything in this thread, other than you can't help demonstrating how mentally incompetent you are? Look…if you want to preach to turn the other cheek because violence begets violence while at the same time attacking Christianity like a bigot, why don't you go do it on one of the many leftwing websites where you can find people just as delusional and mentally deficient as you are. Over here you'll just get embarrassed.

      • g_jochnowitz

        Jesus said, "Ye shall know them by their fruits" (Matthew 7:16). The violence of Islam and Marixsm today echoes the violence of Christianity during the centuries when people believed in it.

        • ObamaYoMoma

          You obviously suffer from severe mental issues. Seek help before it is too late.

        • Western Canadian

          You are as delusional in regards christianity, and obym is towards islam. You two make a cute couple, and will no doubt be very happy together. Sorry, I will not be available to be godfather to the children…..

        • Guest

          Just stop! If it weren't for the "violence" of the Crusades, we wouldn't have the internet or the freedom of speech so you could post your nonsense.

  • takfarinas

    no philosophy in judging religions…. there no such thing named christiano-judaism…because god do not says contradictions…only when judaism had been corrupted..he had sent christianity…..never the will be sent till the previous will be corrupted -christianity -..so if there is a true religion must be the last revelation or nothing simply because god dont say three intructions about the same thing…am I right….

  • ObamaYoMoma

    What does any of that garbage have to do with the subject of this thread? Other than it is another excuse for you to attack Christianity like the obsessed unhinged religious bigot you are? And stick your silly and absurd moral equivalencies up where the sun doesn't shine you moonbat as they couldn't be anymore ludicrous. Seem mental help.

  • Western Canadian

    Some translations of the old testament use the word witch, and some used the word unicorn. Both were mistranslations. You have about as much substance in your comments on christians, as obym does with his on islam. None.

  • g_jochnowitz

    People accused of witchcraft were burned alive in Europe and hanged or pressed to death in Massachusetts. Whatever the word "makhshefa" meant in ancient Hebrew is irrelevant. These innocent people (there is no such thing as a witch) were the victims of Christian faith.
    Nowadays, Christians no longer have faith, thank God, although many of them think they do. Only Marxists and Muslims do.