Why the West Loves Lying to Itself About Islam

Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam. He is completing a book on the international challenges America faces in the 21st century.


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The longer the fraud goes on, the more impossible it is for them to admit that they were wrong. What could have been tossed out after a year is an article of faith after twenty and undeniable after forty. To admit that you made a mistake right away is bearable, but to admit that your policy for generations has been complete moon-baked lunacy is inconceivable.

Most insidiously, the left likes the imaginary world that it has created. The multicultural utopia with jolly Pakistanis adding spice to London, Saudis putting up little mosques on the Canadian prairie and sassy Shiites bringing diversity to Dearborn, isn’t just propaganda—it’s the imaginary world that they want to live in.

The illusion of Islam has, like the banking system, become too big to fail. It cannot fail because it would take too much else down with it, leaving behind a harder world. No matter how unintegrated Muslims in Europe are, the Eurocrats must insist that, aside from a few exploding bumps in the road, everything is going according to plan. Any day now a lesbian Imam will be preaching the virtues of secularism in Finsbury Park. It must be that way because the alternative is unthinkable.

In Israel, the Two-State Solution must still be the solution, because the alternative is eternal conflict. In the rest of the region, Arab Democracy must be viable, because otherwise there is nothing left but despair over an irredeemable barbarism.

We gotta have faith, not in any deity, including the chief deity of Islam, but in our leaders. Muslims believe that Allah is infallible, while we are expected to believe that the politicians and professors, the diplomats and journalists, are. That they are right, even when the continuing violence proves that they are wrong.

The people who shape our half of the world have fallen for the Nigerian Prince scam of Islam and when the check from Lagos doesn’t clear, when the bombs go off, the cars burn, the children are murdered in schools and the rockets fly, then they don’t blame Prince Hussein Ngobo, the car bombers, terrorists and throatslitters—they blame us for not believing in it too.

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  • ebonystone

    It's the same old leftist thnking. All their ideas are good ones, but they're failing because we're not spending enough money on them. LBJ's War on Poverty was only supposed to cost a few billion dollars, Now, nearly fifty years later, after handing over a trillion dollars to the "poor", we still have loads of the "poor". Why? Because clearly we haven't spent enough! Same thing with education. We needed federal expenditures to save our failing schools — just a few billion dollars would do it! Now, thirty-odd years later, after the expenditure of hundreds of billions of federal dollars — and increases, not decreases, in state and local spending — the schools are in worse shape than ever, and our kids dumber than ever. But the only solution the left can come up with is to spend even more.

    • Looking4Sanity

      Unfortunately for all of us, I've seen individuals with this same mental condition refuse to repent of it even after having lost literally everything they own. While the phenomenon might be fascinating on an intellectual level, the real world consequences of an entire country being controlled by people like that is unspeakably terrifying as well as potentially catastrophic. And yet…here we are. Considering the situation in that light, if there's insanity at work in all of this, it belongs to us for allowing this to happen and to continue. America needs an intervention!

  • Chezwick

    Great article Daniel, but you've overlooked an important facet of the problem…

    "Leftists dare not question Islam because they fear being fools."

    The statement is no doubt true, but there's another reason why the Left are uninterested in scrutinizing Islam. It is because they have more important fish to fry…i.e., capitalism and its embodiment, the USofA. Islam is their nominal ally in this war-in-perpetuity, doing much of their dirty work.

    • Bamaguje

      I concur.
      The Left's alliance with Islam is a typical case of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."
      For the Left, it's much more important to bring down the much maligned capitalist West.
      They are so clueless and shortsighted, they don't seem to realise they'll be among the first victims of any Islamist takeover.
      Ask the Iranian Left which collaborated with Islamists to overthrow the Shah. They were mercilessly wiped out soon after the Mullahs seized power.

      • Chezwick

        You've given a perfect example. The Tudeh supported Khomeini's revolution, then were exterminated in Stalinesque show-trials in which the primary evidence presented was coerced confessions. But the Left is unable or unwilling to learn the lessons of history. Their nihilism, hatred and lust for destruction trumps any instinct for self-preservation.

        • Chezwick

          PS – My prediction is that as Europe Islamizes, those on the Left will begin converting in droves, while those on the Right will hold out and endure the depredations of dhimmitude.

          • Drakken

            I am afraid I have to disagree with you Cheswick on your last post. What I predict is Europeans will resort to their time tested genes of warfare and conquest, they will pay islam in their own bloody coin, think the Balkans on steroids.

          • Chezwick

            Tell you the truth Drakken, I think your prediction is actually preferable to capitulation. I hope the Europeans do indeed fight to save their civilization…but I just don't see it happening. They've been too thoroughly conditioned, brainwashed and neutered by their media and educational elite.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003966489708 Mensch Keymelon

            Yeah but all steroids get you is uncontollable rage because of the mouse balls you got in trade for your pecs of steel. Go play WOW or TOD some more…you'll feel better afterwards.

            Mouse Balls.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Are you trying to comb the hair on your back?
            You're just not even worth the effort to insult you.

            All that work for a profile and you just come off like a muslim hack.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003966489708 Mensch Keymelon

            Mouse Balls.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I'll take your word for it. but frankly your package isn't an interest of mine.

          • exposed

            Of course not. He isn't a child.

          • Drakken

            What I like about you sand apes is your arrogance will be your downfall as western high tek weaponry will make short work of you devil worshipping savages.

          • sharpsrifle

            Depends on the country…the Germans and Spanish MIGHT, the Poles DEFINITELY (as well as the Russians), the French and British? Never.

          • Drakken

            Don't throw the Brits and French out quite yet, you will be quite surprised.

    • Asher

      I get so POD at the West…They don't want to admit or think that we are vulnerable…so they will just ignore the obvious hoping Islam will go away…well they are dreaming and unless we have people who are strong and vigilant they will keep pushing their Totalitarianism and Jihad on all of us…and face facts…the Democrat party is now a bunch of radical Commies and Pro-Islamists!

  • Stephan

    I think there are two mechanisms. The useful fools and the invisible agents in the background Vladimir Bukowski described in his interviews.

    • kasandra

      I think you are absolutely correct. The far left supports Islam and creeping Islamization because they, too, hate the West and wish for its downfall. But there are others on the left who are so consumed with their own self-regard as being non-judgmental, fair minded, and intelligent that they pick up this delusion and parrot the same lines even though it does not stem from the hatred for the West that the hard left has. As an example, I told a liberal, but by no means radical, friend of mine that, in my view, Islam was a violent religion. He exploded that this sounded to him like the same thing the Nazis said about the Jews. I responded that there was a big difference. He asked me what that was. I answered that Islam IS a violent religion while Jews WERE NOT syphlitic vermin. The difference is reality. He just couldn't accept that. The far left is a fringe but its real harm is that it acts as a transmission belt of ideas through, among other things, notions of political correctness, to a much larger population of what I consider to be useful idiots.

  • Bamaguje

    The problem for the West is what to do with 1.3 billion Muslim savages & potential terrorists if it acknowledges Islam is a violently intolerant devilish killing cult.
    Rather than deal with that daunting disturbing reality, the hopeless Western political/media establishment prefers denial. It's much easier to pretend Islam is a "religion of peace."

    • Looking4Sanity

      The Catholic Church and the Kings of Europe came to the same conclusion at the close of the Crusades. Look where THAT got us.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      Almost as bad as you, when you pretend it's not an issue.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003966489708 Mensch Keymelon

        Oh, I am totally bigoted, I prefer my own way as I know and understand it. You on the other hand are a bigot because you don't know or understand my way, you only THINK you know.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          It's not a huge secret you're a muslim friendly troll.

          And your way is just not very western friendly.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003966489708 Mensch Keymelon

            Not concerned with what you consider "friendly" only with what I consider just and right.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Then you need to change tactics and start posting facts and getting it right.

  • MuslimProWisdom

    Again what a surprise Islamophobia is rampant on this website.
    Extremism in Islam has no connection with the religion itself – it's all politics so don't try to tarnish the name of Islam as it will never work.
    The more I read comments and articles on this website the more I realise how governments get away with what they do by fooling the ignorant masses who think they know the truth but are as deaf dumb and blind as those they think are deaf dumb and blind so to speak
    Religion and State should never mix as there is no compulsion in religion as Islam teaches. Learn Islam before you try foolishly to destroy it because truth always conquers falsehood.

    • HermitLion

      You are funny. Where do you think you are, the Huffington Post? Here your Taqiyya is as wasted as a bar of soap in an Egyptian capital.

    • KarshiKhanabad

      Muslims can't handle the truth. So they terrorize and then kill the truth tellers. In the name of Allah.

    • Ar'nun

      Islam as a whole is 16% religion. The rest is Legal and Political. The Caliph is a political structure and it is controled by Sharia. It is a blatant ignorant simplification to argue any one who has seen the truth about Islam is nothing more than an ignorant Islamaphobe. I do not fear Islam, Islam is not worthy of fear. Freedom and Islam are incompatible and ISlam will never win.

    • Lan Astaslem

      wrong dhimmi – we are islamosavvy – we know that islam = cancer. Now be a good little dhimmi and get that empty head back in the sand.

    • Crossbow87

      I think your analysis is inverted. The MORE I learn about Islam, the MORE I see it as the bloodthirsty political Mohammed (if he actually existed) intended.

    • Jaladhi

      What "extremists" in real Islam?? This is real Islam – read your books and the real Islamic history documented by your own Islamic sources. There is no Islamophobia on this site or anywhere else. There is no phobia as per the definition of the word phobia – an irrational fear of imaginary causes. The danger of Islam is very real – your history of 1400 years has proven it repeatedly. You may be here pretending to be peaceful until your number rise and then your real jihad starts, right now it's a stealth jihad.

      Your words very well apply to your comments – you are fooling the ignorant masses by telling lies about your religion all the time.

      You state that religion and state should never mix yet Islam is all political and only thrives by having the state force your religion on the masses as we see in all those Islamic paradises where you should really go. You say your cherry picked favorite "there is no compulsion in religion" yet your book, Quran says kill those who leave your religion and also kill Christians, Jews and other non -Muslims. And that is how your invading ancestors spread your religion under the threat of sword. Muslims have slaughtered more than 300 million non-Muslims throughout the world in last 1400 years and India paid the worst price of the genocide by Muslims of 80 to 100 million Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs and other non-Muslims in India. You guys always remember the model of genocide of 600 Jews of Medina by your self proclaimed god and prophet Mo/allah and following his example you never hesitate to cut anybody's neck who would not gree with you to convert.

      So much for your lies and hypocrisy. Physician heal thyself, confront the truth about your religion and if you can think independently of your Mo/allah and his SS troopers, the imams and mullahs of your mosque, leave Islam and join the humans of this earth.

      We know your Islam very well and you can't fool us. The ugly truth about Islam is spreading and pretty soon you will not be able hide and spread lies!!

    • Looking4Sanity

      "Extremism in Islam has no connection with the religion itself "

      BS!!! It is the reason and the "justification" for it. Islam has more murdering terrorists than there are Jews in Israel! That can't be said of either Christianity OR Judaism. "Religion of Peace"..my butt!

      Go lick a football, Hadji.

    • RonaldCarnine

      If you want people to appreciate Islam, you are going to have to do something about your problem of Muslim's using the Koran to justify murdering non-Muslims, Muslim's of different sects murdering other Muslim's and Muslim men killing Muslim women, with or without the sanction of gov't. You also should study the Muslim doctrine of abrogation (which I'm sure you know) which does away with the idea of "no compulsion in religion". If you are trying to live in peace with those around you, more power to you. But from the tone of your writing, it doesn't look like peace is all that important to you.

      • ahmadnb

        Was it not Jesus who said in the Bible that "One blind man cannot lead another, otherwise they will both fall into a ditch"?

        As a Muslim who has read the Qur'an cover to cover multiple times, as well as studied world history, I can say with confidence that all Muslims who support "honor killings", terrorism (including suicide bombings), the putting down of women, willful ignorance, violence against non-Muslims, and yes…"Taqiyya" (in the form of lying about Islam) are in TOTAL VIOLATION of Islam. I don't care what they think of me…my faith is a matter that is between me and God.

        The Muslim concept of abrogation you have stated here is totally different from what I understand it to be, based on my own research. You're just echoing the bearded fools in the Middle East and elsewhere who claim to be the "true" followers of Islam.

        The Mullahs are willfully blind to the faith of Islam…they try to use it as a tool for their own selfish ends. They are hypocrites. And you would be a fool to believe what hey say about Islam. I know these people. I know what they want. They need people like you to give it to them because they know I won't.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          As a muslim who thinks the koran doesn't need to be taken literally and that sharia is a take it or leave it kind of choice for muslims, you have no credibility.

          You say what ever you think will advance the cause of islam. It's not going to work.
          Islam is what it is, and you can't pretend otherwise and not be laughed at here.

          • ahmadnb

            I don't care who laughs at me. The truth is what it is and is no friend of yours.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you don't even know it as a casual passing acquaintance.

          • ahmadnb

            Your shrink called for you…he wants his boogeyman dummy back.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Did Daniel Pearl take a message?

          • ahmadnb

            For your information, in case you haven't heard, Daniel Pearl is dead…murdered by a bunch of fundies in Pakistan in front of a video camera back in 2002 or so. I didn't have the guts to see it. In my book, he was a true martyr. God rest his soul.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, exactly. the death of Daniel Pearl proves that islam is not a bogeyman, but a real and active evil. That activists are actually living surah 9 mandates.

          • ahmadnb

            Stupid, ignorant jackass…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes you are. A dishonest one.

            And Daniel Pearl isn't alone http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2008/11/2008

            And no matter how you want to ignore that, she's not alone either.
            And yet you are stuck on ignorant.

          • ahmadnb

            Sit down, little girl…the teacher's teaching.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Sure, I'll teach.

            The hero's of Christianity are mother theresa
            The hero's of islam is osama bin ladin.

            One loved peace.
            One loved to blow people into pieces.

            See the difference?

          • ahmadnb

            What are you smoking? Crack? I haven't seen any Muslim who considers Osama bin Laden to be a hero of Islam. He was never my hero.To compare Mother Theresa to someone like yourself is like comparing a cup of premium vanilla ice cream to a turd sandwich. Guess which one you are…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Then you weren't paying attention 9/11 when muslims around the world cheered in the streets.

          • ahmadnb

            Muslims around the world???I saw the Palestinians cheering in West Bank and Gaza. And a few illegals in NYC and elsewhere…and they all got caught and deported.Everywhere else, Muslims were shocked, saddened, angry and scared. In Iran, young Iranians defied their own govt. and held a candlelight vigil in memory of the 3,000 who died in those planes and the towers, minus the hijackers.80 of my fellow Bangladeshis died in those towers. One of them was a newlywed who left a pregnant wife behind to face the rest of her life alone.I was around, no matter what lies you tell yourself. I monitored the news day and night as I still do now. And based on the above statement, not only are you a delusional liar, but someone who has no soul. I won't be surprised if Jesus spits on your face in disgust. People like you give Christianity and Christians a terrible name.But if that's what you want to keep on doing, who am I to stop you? Your loss is my gain.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            "I saw…" You missed the ones in Egypt, Pakistan and everyplace else that they call the US the great satan.

            And for someone that lies about islam and what the adherents of islam are to do (as if they have a personal choice on sharia) you aren't exactly a reliable source.

          • ahmadnb

            Oh, I'm pretty sure you're probably right about Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan. But unlike you, I look at all sides. You only cherrypick facts that fit your agenda.The reason you keep harping on me and Islam is because you can't defend yourself or your beliefs. So you chose to distract attention away from yourself and your beliefs. Just like Obama does.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Christians don't stone muslims for walking around Dearborn.

            I don't need to defend my religion. It's not the one forcing Copts into apartheid. It's not the one stoning rape victims. It's not the one that's evil to it's core.

            And you still pretend that islam is a nice kind way of life, that sharia is a choice with muslims free to either follow it, or not. As if.

            That's the reason I keep attacking the evils of islam. Any child brides in your family? islam defends it.

          • ahmadnb

            Hmmm…Hypatia? She was ambushed, taken from her chariot, stripped naked by the “Christian” men of Alexandria, had her head bashed in, then had her flesh torn from her bones. For what crime, may I ask again? Dressing like a man, huh?Let's not forget the centuries of persecutions and forced conversions of millions of people, in North and South America, all across Scandinavia, and the far East by “Christians”. Then there was the punishment by being “Hung, Drawn and Quartered” in England. And, of course, the countless pogroms against Jews by “Christians” from England to Russia over 1,000+ years. And let's not forget the Nazi Holocaust…Hitler may have been a lousy Christian, but what of all those who followed him? There were millions of them! You attack Islam because you cannot defend Christianity. I don't cover up what has been done by people who claim to be Muslim. But you seem to be intent on covering up for the misdeeds of Christians over the last 2,000 years on human nature.The truth is, the demands of Christianity are pretty much impossible to meet. All I see among Christians are 1) Those who try to be good Christians, which include some of my best friends and people like St. Francis, Mother Theresa and Florence Nightingale, and 2) People who are intent on demonizing anything that is not Christian, especially Islam, to the point where they will violate every tenet of Christianity to achieve their ends. You, Roger Russell aka Hitler Jr., fall into the 2nd group.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You go back to the Egypt pre-islamic to have an example of bad Christians?

            That's the best you can do? Can you show that it was following the teachings of Christ? Nope, but I can do that with the recent events in Pakistan and the slaughter of Daniel Pearl.

            You are just another pro islamic hack.

          • ahmadnb

            Very well then. Look at how Germans behaved during WWII.Look at what Russians did during the communist era. And, of course, let's look at how Serbs behaved towards their neighbors, Christian and non-Christian alike. And, of course, how Christian Dayaks treated Muslim Madurese in the 1990s.Need more examples? The truth is, you absolutely refuse to hold Christians to the same standards as you hold Muslims. You're nothing but a two-timing hypocrite. You're not a real Christian. You belong in the same league as the likes of Adolf Hitler and Slobodan Milosevic.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And the teachings of Christ led to none of those.

            The teachings of islam lead to all the things that have happened even to this day.

            The copts in Egypt suffer because of islam, the muslims don't suffer due to the teachings of Christ.

            See the difference?

            You're so troll.

          • ahmadnb

            The teachings of Jesus did not cause the suffering of Jews and other minorities in Christian lands for a period of several hundred years. And if Islam was so nasty towards non-Muslims, remember that it was Coptic Christians who helped to drive out their Byzantine overlords when Muslim Arabs invaded their lands. The Copts ended up being far better off under Muslim rule (initially, anyway) than under the rule of their fellow Christians, the Byzantines.True Islamic law does not call for the persecution of minorities…what Muslims do nowadays in most Middle Eastern countries is the exact opposite of what the Qur'an teaches.But of course, I'm just a liar, or so you claim. I think you know that I'm not…otherwise you won't keep tailing me like the hungry monkey that you are.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I notice you didn't show any teaching of Christ that would advocate the things you criticize Christianity about.

            And I can show you teachings in the koran demanding the things that civilized people are outraged about.

            See that subtle difference?
            Why would I not challenge the lies you pass off so smoothly about your 8th century barbarism?

          • ahmadnb

            The problem with Christianity is that only a small handful of incredibly saintly individuals would be able to truly follow Jesus's teachings. The rest of you, especially Roger Russell, find it impossible to follow them. Hence the shortcut “believe in Jesusand you're saved”. And thus we have seen many, MANY acts of hideousness perpetrated by “Christians” throughout history against non-Christians and even fellow Christians. What's the use of claiming to follow a religion whose core teachings are impossible to follow?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, you show how little you understand other religions. Christianity doesn't require perfection. Unlike islam it's not about works, so you get blown up, or an honor killing if you make mistakes. We just pray and ask God to help us past it.

          • ahmadnb

            And you don't even understand yours. The original Ten Commandments given by God to Moses haven't gone anywhere…they are applicable in today's society just as they were some 4,000 years ago.No religion that I know requires perfection, which is something you obviously didn't know. But ALL require some level of personal sacrifice, selflessness and accountability to a Higher Power. That's the part that you don't seem to get…you can lie, steal, cheat, slander and murder and enter Paradise just because you are a “Christian”. On the other hand, according to you, one can live a saintly life and serve others and do little or no wrong to others and go to hell simply for being a Muslim. If that's what your religion teaches, I want no part of it.Fortunately, for me, I know better. You just might be a modern-day version of the Pharisee…the self-righteous priests who were soundly condemned by Jesus himself for their arrogance and self-important attitudes.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You don't know my religion. The ten commandments? No one can earn salvation. Only the sacrifice of Christ can get anyone to heaven. Christians understand that.

            You? A muslim who doesn't even believe in sharia doesn't.

            All the rest is just noise to distract from that.

          • ahmadnb

            I was schooled in your religion for many years, all the way into college. What about you? Are you just another disgruntled “missionary” who developed an inferiority complex after failing to make any Muslim see the “light” of Christianity and so are now lashing out as a result?Help is on the way…from your own fellow Christians. Maybe if you can read something, you can click on the following link. The author won't succeed in what he ultimately wants, of course, but I laud him for sticking to religious principles, unlike you, who happens to be a complete fraud:http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/charity.html

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You aren't schooled, in spite of your claims. You may have heard a cleric scream about Chrsitianity, but you don't know Christ, so you can't know Christianity. Not really.

            And islam is still the forced 8th century style of life forced on way too many people. Honor killings, beheadings, stoning rape victims, it's all there. You haven't been able to really counter or deny it.

            So you go off on personal insults which only prove you have nothing to argue.

          • ahmadnb

            And who told you that I haven't been schooled? God? I have news for you…that wasn't God you were speaking to. That was an illusion of your insane brain that agrees with you 100% and constantly pats you on your back 'cos no one else will.All you have are news clippings, and nothing solid in the Qur'an that can be used to support your childish claims.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Reverting to insults since you have nothing else? What kind of propagandist are you anyhow?

          • ahmadnb

            I'm putting you in your proper place. You see, I have to lower myself as far as I can to communicate with mental midgets like you…fortunately, there aren't very many like you out there. A hundred of you working together would take the world back to the Stone Ages.And as usual, you cannot back your lies with facts from the Qur'an.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Youworshipislam,thestonegereligion.Nothanks.

          • ahmadnb

            What a moron. Islam defines how I submit to God's Will and act accordingly. Do you worship Christianity? Have you been smoking something illegal?I also noticed that when you get cornered or frustrated you cease to use spaces between your words. What's the matter? Forgot to take your space pills?

          • patriothere

            Islam is not an evil. You need to learn to be tolerant of all faiths.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course it is. Ask the rape victim stoned in Somalia.

            Sharia is bad mojo.

        • MuslimProWisdom

          Ahmadnb is right

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, he's not being honest. His positions about islam would have him stoned if he spoke them aloud during haj.

          • ahmadnb

            Thank you.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            If a dozen people say it, it still won't be true.

          • ahmadnb

            The truth is what it is, whether you like it or not. Truth hurts…I feel your pain. Then again, maybe not. 'Cos you obviously can't handle it, or don't possess the intelligence required to distinguish between a lie and the truth.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The truth only hurts when it's a bunch of rocks being thrown at you, or when you're having acid thrown at you or any other number of reasons activist muslims decide you deserve to be punished.

            Facts are not your friends.

          • ahmadnb

            It seems like nothing will please you more than to see a bunch of “activist Muslims” come over and kill me. Makes me wonder whose side you're really on…but then I guess psychos like you are expected to side with psychos on “my” side. I'm sorry I disappoint you by still breathing, but that's your problem, not mine.I'm not scared of facts. You seem intent on burying them by stalking me all over the 'net. Or is there another reason for your stalking me, huh? Do I get you aroused, you little queer? When was the last time you sexually molested someone, you pervert?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You keep making up lies.

            And I explain that due to what islam teaches, and what the followers of islam do, that you are out in the cold and all alone.

            The fact is that islam is responsible for sharia, one of the most stubborn evils of our time.

          • ahmadnb

            I have no reason to lie here. You're just too stupid to realize that I have no reason to. You can't explain jack squat. You're a quisling who actively promotes the “Jihadi” cause because you are threatened by the likes of me who can pull your flimsy foundation out from underneath you. Get lost.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It's called propaganda. It's called al taqiyya.Are you now going to fade into another comment claiming islam is a religion of peace?

          • ahmadnb

            If this is Taqqiya, it's really weak. And it would work only if the people on this forum are really dumb.You believe I am practicing Taqiyya. Which means that you strongly believe that the people on this forum, other than yourself are incredibly stupid and would just swallow whatever I write here hook, line and sinker without questioning what I write.I believe that the people on this forum are at least smart enough to question and investigate my statements. No one has to believe anything that I'm saying here. Someone who has strong faith in God cannot be shaken his/her foundations easily at all.On the other hand, how many people on this forum need you to inform them that I am a liar, if I am indeed one? How many have read your posts and have said “Hallelujah! Roger has made me see the light! ahmadnb is indeed a liar!”?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, I just understand you're a liar for what ever reason.

            And the people here are here for their own personal reasons. Your reason seems to be the spread of propaganda.

          • ahmadnb

            “For whatever reason”. But you can't think of any. So you just slander me. Roger “the slanderer” Russell. Tell me…is slandering your foe permitted in Christianity? I thought you were supposed to love your enemy.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course I can think of the reason you're a liar. You are muslim.

            You really have no choice, you have to submit and sharia is the way that you are forced to follow.

            And as for slander, the defense for slander is showing it's true.

          • patriothere

            But because you say it it's true? You're a psycho. Only the thoughts in your head are right?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The thoughts I express here refuting your talking points are.
            You keep pretending you should be taken seriously. A paid hack taken seriously?

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

      • MuslimProWisdom

        Yes I strongly agree so called Muslims used the Quran out of context. And there are bad Muslims out there. I don't believe in Jihad of the sword never have never will. The strongest Jihad is the struggle against the self that incites one to evil. Jihad has many forms and the least liked is that of self-defence(physically battling the aggressor). I am upset that as a Muslim I have been taught to respect other peoples' beliefs but when the same old baseless arguements are used against Islam it is very frustrating. It's like telling the people the world is not flat and they all just turn a deaf ear. So forgive me anyone if I sounded harsh but my intention is to educate.

        • MuslimProWisdom

          I' will always respect other peoples' beliefs till the day I die. As a Muslim that is obligatory and I have chosen to adhere to this. Christians, Jew, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists – at their core they believe in a one God and all our God's creation. Athiests, agnostics too. There is no compulsion in religion. Anyone who blasphemes is to answer to God and God alone. No man has the right to interfere that is why I believe the so called Islamic States are far from being Islamic inventing their own laws to appease the ignorant masses and to hold power

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course there is.

            islam has surah 9.

          • patriothere

            Monkeys have ears.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you as a paid hack have talking points.

    • Mo_

      Islamophobia? Hilarious! Extremism has nothing to do with Islam?

      Looks like you came to the wrong site. We know what your cult teaches. We will not submit!

    • Drakken

      The problem of you muslims continuing crying Wolf when we infidels point out the obvious will still end with the Wolf eating you and yours for dinner.

    • Ghostwriter

      Unfortunately,Muslim terrorism is all too real and your people have never condemned it or confronted it head on.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003966489708 Mensch Keymelon

        The vast majority of terrorism attacks is by secular seperatist rebels, not "Muslims."

        Even in the bastion of civility, the US, white supremacists are 1,000 times more active in terrorism plotting planning and execution than any Muslim group …that is direct from an FBI SAC…but that doesn't sell newpapers and paperbacks and it doesn't get people elected, does it?

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          Not a chance. Why don't you say that it's not in context for jihadists to be called muslims?
          That it was out of context that Daniel Pearl was murdered?

          Can't you be more original?

        • Foolster41

          Really? 1,000 tmes more active? So now you can show us 18,000,000+ attacks by white supremiscists since 9/11 (there have been 18,000 by Muslim terrorist)? This is a bold faced lie.

        • Foolster41

          I notice you say it's direct from a FBI SAC, but don't give any source. Of course, there isn't one, (or I hope there's no one in the FBI this dim witted!). Trust me, if there had been over 18,000,000(!!!) attacks by white supremiscists (or even 18,000) we'd notice it!

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Moron Keymoron,

          Moron Keymoron,

          The US executed the traitorous pagan, socialist nazi scum for the Oklahoma City bombing.

          Your islamofascist animals murdered more on 9/11 that the whole of the kkk animals ever did.

    • Frank

      Yeah, I guess you are right. Those were Argentine transvestites who blew up the WTC. The attackers of the USS Cole were Bulgarian midgets. The shoe bomber was an Ecuadorian monk. The sooner we eliminate Islam the better off we will be

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        There heals didn't fit well and it drove them over the edge.

      • MuslimProWisdom

        no it was the governments we voted for . http://www.prisonplanet.com
        your government loves you and it wants you to believe Islam is the threat
        You are free to do as your Government tells you!
        Think the way they want you to think.
        There is no such thing as brainwashing that is why advertising doesn't work – honest
        George Bush and friends are our friends too – they don't lie to us
        Give me a beer and Americon Idol and we will obey you
        Do not think – let your government think for you

  • WTE

    You have two incompatible religions fighting over which god they think is real. Once you moro ns realize allah and the christian god are all BS maybe people can get along. Until then the body count will continue to rise. I mean for any person with a shred of common sense all this fighting makes both sides look ret arded. If you can’t along hopefully you two will kill each other off so humanity can progress. Religion will never allow that

    • Ar'nun

      Athieast- They don't believe in God therefore God doesn't exist.

      God – Doesn't believe in Athiests therefore Athiests don't exist!

      I love pseudo-intellectuals who resort to the simplest solution of every issue. Keep telling yourself its the fault of religion for all wars and don't bother to really analyize anything to do with actual human nature. Basic psychology 101 tells us if there were no belief in God tomorrow, people would find other reasons to go to war. Most wars throughout history had little to nothing to do with religious differences, land, money and power tended to play a bigger role than God did.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        He's not atheist. He's a closet muslim.

        • Ar'nun

          More like a good obedient Dhimi in training !

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            He's something all right. Just not something good or decent.

      • Looking4Sanity

        That denial problem touched on in the article? WeeWee here is ate up with it. It's a terminal disease for him.

      • Quark

        Roger, ever hear about the USSR, Pol Pot, Nasi Germany, Maoism? Check them out. You'll find that they were/are all atheistic…officially and otherwise. Then check out how many people they murdered in the 20th century. Seems like "no religion" didn't work too well at preventing evil and wars!

        I don't blame you for not realizing this. You were probably educated in the left-wing American school and college system, but check it out and don't persist in your ignorance and lack of understanding.

    • RonaldCarnine

      Roger you err because you do not know your history, at least not history that is the truth. If it were not for Christianity you would not have the scientific method. Why? Because Christianity believes and teaches that God made an orderly world that operates on set laws and methods. You would be surprised at what our forefathers believed and taught when they wrote our Declaration of Independence and Constitution. Ben Franklin wrote a rebuttal of a slanderous claim by anti-Federalists that the founders were in it for themselves. What did he use to rebut it? A story about Moses from the Old Testament! The first federal buildings built in Washington were used on Sunday's for worship and were attended by the highest officials in our gov't. I could go on and on but for the sake of space I will not. But you statement shows your bias, a bias not based on the truth.

      • Looking4Sanity

        You have no friends and the truth has never even met you. It knocked on the door once, but you were cowering under your prayer rug praying to Allah it would go away.

        • Roger Russel

          I have 12 friends on facebook 11 of them are pending. Trust me I have many friends in real life. This is not real life <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • Looking4Sanity

            Only an idiot as twisted as you considers Facebook "real life"! And 12? Really? Bwahaha! That's freaking PATHETIC! You sad little loser! I didn't think it possible, but now I feel even sorrier for you than I did previously!

          • Roger Russel

            It was a joke m oron from a movie. You don't get out much do you. The movie is called “Due Date” <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So, he's right and you're still a twisted idiot.

          • Lan Astaslem

            nobody gives a rat's behind about your 'friends'. Stop boring us with your childish rants and lies little boy.

          • Roger Russel

            Theh why reply? What lies have I told? None. Face it your freaking mor ons only believe what christian revionist and you handlers tell you

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why not reply? For some it's as close as they get to a rabid muslim friendly troll.

          • Looking4Sanity

            Indeed. One might rationally question why WeeToddMuslim comes to a site where everyone hates his guts to spew his vitriol. The only logical answer is that his Qur'an tells him to. He claims to be an atheist, but his every word screams "MUSLIM!". And is it not written in his Qur'an that it is perfectly fine to deny his deity for the purpose of furthering the caliphate? When you stop and think about it, WeeWee epitomizes ALL the worst parts of the Qur'an.

            Coincidence? I think not.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            He has no choice. islam literally means 'submission' and that's what he does day in and day out. Him, his flask and his goats at home to keep him from going total 'pakistani rat child'.

          • Looking4Sanity

            Speaking of having no choice, I had him typing like a trained seal today! Half his work day was spent being humiliated by me. I guarantee you he had a liquid lunch after that. He got pretty quiet after lunch.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You had all the fun, and I was just stuck at work.

            Oh well, at least someone kept him in his place.

            Did you notice yesterday that the connections were slow on this site?
            I bet the muslim trolls were trying to do that.

            Too bad they don't have another newer version of stuxnet.

          • Looking4Sanity

            I did, indeed, notice that. I attributed it to the article being linked to Drudge.

            Then I noticed that every site I went to was slow. I'm thinking there was more going on with the WWW than we know. A small matter. It seems to be working normally again. Maybe Obama was initializing a WWW monitoring program. I could care less. I hope he gets an eye full.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            if it was a denial of use attack, I'm just waiting for some muslim friendly troll that doesn't like the idea of a Jewish man exposing the evil of islam on his site to step forward and brag about it.

          • Looking4Sanity

            Oh, please! They can't even figure out how to hide the markup code when they comment! You give them too much credit.

            It's laughable to think they could ever develop a nuclear weapon without help from the Norks. With any luck at all, they'll end up blowing themselves to Allah and back.

            To quote Einstein, "Any idiot can know. The point is to UNDERSTAND!"

      • Looking4Sanity

        Paul Revere begs to disagree.

        • Roger Russel

          On what? That the Founding Fathers were Diests? <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • Looking4Sanity

            How many times are you going to try selling that same lie? There's too much evidence to the contrary for anyone not as stupid as you to believe it.

          • Roger Russel

            What evidence? What do you possibly have? You have nothing. NO WHERE IS THECHRISTIAN GOD MENTIONED <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • Looking4Sanity

            You can start your research by reading the personal correspondences of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison.Just as we know what's in YOUR heart by reading your crap, we can also know what was in THEIR hearts by reading what THEY wrote.You really are such a stupendous failure. I'm surprised the madrassa keeps you on the payroll.

          • Roger Russel

            George Washington was a Freemason. Freemason are not allowed to be christian. While he attended church he would leave during the church rituals such as eating the body and drinking the blood <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • Looking4Sanity

            Poppycock and twaddle. Prove it.

          • Roger Russel

            pattonhq.com/links/uccministry/jeffbible.pdf

            You make this too easy

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The link didn't work, you make this too easy.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson_and

          • Looking4Sanity

            It's so funny when you don't have to try any harder than Wikipedia to whack this stupid puppy's nose!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            There are a lot of other sources, but he's not worth the effort.

          • Roger Russel
          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, but what about this one?

            You see, you pretend that GW didn't believe in the Judeo-Christian Creator.
            http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/P?mgw:1:./tem…

          • patriothere

            George washington was a freemason. You can't be a wiccan and a christian. You have to be either one or the other.

          • WTE

            No denying that

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, he was a deist and respected the Creator.

            You just can't stand it, can you?

          • patriothere

            He was a freemason and did not believe in your god. Your gods are different. His is better than your evil god.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            He was a deist that recognized the Christian God as Creator, but not the churches as a way to relate to that God.

            His God was my God. We just approach Him differently.

            You are such a silly little muslim.

          • patriothere

            No you are wrong. Muslims and christians and jews beleive in the same god. The god that george washington and thomas jefferson believed in was different from yours. They were not christians. They were freemasons.

            His god is the polar opposite of your evil jewish god.

          • Roger Russel

            Thomas Jefferson was NO christian. Jefferson was a rationalist. He believed that Jesus was a pure and ethical teacher of morals. To that end, Jefferson took a razor to the New Testament and removed passages he thought to have been inserted by the authors of the gospels (whom he called the “commentators”), and he pasted what remained together as “The Jefferson Bible”. With his razor blade, he removed every verse dealing with the virgin birth, miracles, resurrection, claims of Jesus' divinity and other puerile superstition, thus leaving us with a very much shorter book. In 1904, the Jefferson Bible was printed by order of Congress, and for many years was presented to all newly elected members of that body. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • RonaldCarnine

            Roger, Congress never approved the printing of Jefferson's Bible. Some people say that the Congress approved the printing of one Bible (in question at this time) but it wasn't Jefferson. Was Jefferson a Christian? Jefferson isn't easy to label completely but if he wasn't he had the highest regard for Christianity. Those are his words. He does however, call Jesus his Lord. (Read Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptist and it will give you insight into his respectful attitude.)

      • Ar'nun

        Declaration of Independence (opening paragraph)

        "When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's GOD entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

        There is not an official US religion. But it is common knowledge that our entire society was steeped in Judeo-Christian values.

        • Roger Russel

          Ok, where is the christian god mentioned? The Declaration of Independence gives us important insight into the opinions of the Founding Fathers. Thomas Jefferson wrote that the power of the government is derived from the governed. Up until that time, it was claimed that kings ruled nations by the authority of God. The Declaration was a radical departure from the idea that the power to rule over other people comes from god. It was a letter from the Colonies to the English King, stating their intentions to seperate themselves. The Declaration is not a governing document. It mentions "Nature's God" and "Divine Providence"– , that's the language of Deism, not Christianity.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            4th line, where it says "God".

          • Looking4Sanity

            Oops! I guess he just blew by that. It goes back to that whole "There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT see" thing. Poor sick puppy. He's a walking stereotype and doesn't even know it.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            His cleric was just glad they finally got him literate (80% are not) and out working towards that world wide caliphate.

            They don't realize how badly they're failing.

      • RoguePatriot6

        WRONG!!!!
        The Declaration of Independence makes reference to "the Creator" a few times.
        "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

        The Founding Fathers may have not been devout Christians (still researching) however they did recognize the existence of a wisdom and power that reaches far beyond man's. They also knew that basic laws and rules of civility or common decency were based off these principals.
        " You do well to wish to learn our arts and our ways of life, and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. Congress will do everything they can to assist you in this wise intention." George Washington

        " Let…statesmen and patriots unite their endeavors to renovate the age by…educating their little boys and girls…and leading them in the study and practice of the exalted virtues of the Christian system." Samuel Adams

        • Roger Russel

          Where is the christian god mentioned? http://www.deism.com/paine_essay_sam_adams.htm <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • RoguePatriot6

            Does it specifically say "Christian God" no it doesn't. It doesn't specifically say, "Christian God" in the bible yet common sense and knowledge tells us that's who it's referring to. In fact it refers to Him by quite a few names or titles. Your claims that the Founding Fathers weren't Christian or didn't beleive in God holds very little truth if any at all.

          • Roger Russel

            They were Diest. That is common knowledge. They believed in a creator that does not mean the christian god. Only a self righteous christian would think anytime god is mentioned it id teh christian god. The 1796 Treaty with Tripoli states that the United States was “not in any sense founded on the Christian religion” This was not an idle statement meant to satisfy muslims– they believed it and meant it. This treaty was written under the presidency of George Washington and signed under the presidency of John Adams <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • Looking4Sanity

            The only thing "common" here is YOU.

            "Common knowledge" is the tree that liars hide behind.

          • Looking4Sanity

            Oh, please. What passes for you as "knowledge", I use as fertilizer…and thank you for showing us all once again how much you think of yourself and how little justification there is for it.

            With every post you make you show more and more people what an idiot you are. Keep up the good work. At least you're getting paid for it.

          • Roger Russel

            Funny, I feel the same about you. You attack anyone on here with weak insults that you disagree with and you call yourself a christian. You are the biggest hypocrite on here. So what you say really dosen't matter. You are irrelevant <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why do you like to come here and be humiliated all day long?

            Do they really pay you enough?

          • RoguePatriot6

            "History will also afford frequent opportunities of showing the necessity of a public religion…and the excellency of the Christian religion above all others, ancient or modern." Benjamin Franklin

            "Only one adequate plan has ever appeared in the world, and that is the Christian dispensation." John Jay, ORIGINAL CHIEF-JUSTICE U.S. SUPREME COURT

            "The United States of America were no longer Colonies. They were an independent nation of Christians." John Qunicy Adams

            You know for people WHO YOU SAY weren't Christians or didn't believe in God, they sure sounded like they did or at the very least recognized the true source of our sense of morality.

          • Roger Russel

            Only John Jay can be considered an orthodox Christian. As Congress's Secretary for Foreign Affairs, he argued (unsuccessfully) for a prohibition forbidding Catholics from holding office. On October 12, 1816, Jay wrote, “Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest, of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.” It is John Jay that the modern Christians have in mind when they talk about the Founding Fathers. Luckily for the rest of us, and all freedom-loving Americans, he was not in the majority “The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity.” John Adams <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You just made that up, didn't you?

            Or was it your cleric?

          • Looking4Sanity

            Now he's just making crap up again. Have you ever heard of an "Orthodox Christian"? I know I haven't. I've heard of Orthodox Catholics and Orthodox Jews…but I've never met an "Orthodox Christian".

            In fact, true Christians are about the most UN-orthodox bunch of people I've ever had the pleasure to know.

          • Looking4Sanity

            Also…I thought Muslims had mullahs or imams,,,not clerics. Or is he pretending to be a Druid this week? LOL!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Clerics are like the salesmen at a used car lot. They posture and strut, but have to get someone more important for any real discussion.

          • Looking4Sanity

            You're looking for reason and logic where none exists. But, isn't it nice to be able to talk about him without interruption after he's clocked out for the day?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, he should be done about twenty minutes ago.

            Whew, now the serious debate about important issues can really start.

          • RoguePatriot6

            I just can't help alot of times but to respond to some of these blatant lies. What's scary is as liberal/progressives get their way they will start to call the bible "hate speech" because it interferes with much of the sewage that they promote, more and more people will start to beleive them.

          • Looking4Sanity

            I don't blame you one bit, brother! He'd like nothing better than to shut us all up permanently so no one would ever question his lies. Fortunately, we're NOT cooperating.Call him on his BS as often as you like. You're not offending anyone but him and his handlers…like WE care! Pfft! Have some fun with it while you're at it if you feel like it. I think you did just fine.

      • RoguePatriot6

        This nation owes credit to God for our sense of morality and common decency it's people like you who are now lying to our children in school with all of this liberal sewage of "Christians twisting history" when it's YOU who actually twist things to sell you're pathetic agenda. The people who are actually yanking the chains for useful pawns like you know that once you strip away the heritage, foundation of it's citizens or knowledge thereof, you can manipulate them into doing or believing anything. Here's another saying that's a favorite of mine, it's not in the bible but holds a tremendous amount of truth,

        "Those who truly don't believe in God will believe anything"

        Any other way and people would tell you take a flying leap.

        • Roger Russel

          Our morality breaks down with anonymity. It is no surprise that the biggest cities in the world have the most selfish drivers. If you drive in a small town in Kansas you see people being polite and well mannered not because they fear the wrath of God but simply because in small communities people expect to interact again with you at another time. In contrast in New York, Hong Kong or Rome the rule of the road is to curse and never trust the other driver.
          The way to keep morality and lose the encumbrances of religion is to promote morality in and of itself. We as a species know what morality is and we recognize moral behaviour when we see it. We are naturally moral because we have developed complex instincts to help us in social situations. These instincts work as long as we allow them instead of burying them in external threats and admonishments. The ten commandments do not help us discover ultimate morality. We all know it when we see it. The way to get people to behave in a moral way is to trust them, to integrate them and to allow them to develop fully as individuals in a caring society. People will only act as amoral criminals if they fall into a criminal subculture, are mentally deficient in morality (rare conditions do exist that cause these problems) or are in a situation in which crime really does pay in a way that can become a life choice.

          • RoguePatriot6

            "We are naturally moral because we have developed complex instincts to help us in social situations."

            We are naturally moral, eh? I'll tell you what, let's get an 5 year old kid and not teach it anything, let it grow up in a world devoid of any teaching of morality and see how that works. Someone has to teach it, if not he/she will wind being one of the most unruly hoodlums on the planet. So, I'm afraid that this theory of our "we naturally know right from wrong" doesn't hold alot of water. It may seem that way because, we as adults, know and have been taught by someone who cared. At least most of us have.

          • Roger Russel

            Man is a primate. All primates have innate morality. A moral sense is vitally important to the efficient running of any society or group. There are no amoral primate groups anywhere. The Mafia have morals, baboons have codes. There are differences between the various groups and their codes of morality but all primate groups have some morals and standards of behaviour. Religion is also very common but it is not universal and it did not cause the codes or the instinct to observe them. These are facts that need to be clearly stated. Morality does not require religion. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • RoguePatriot6

            So, since we have this "natural sense of morality" why is it required that we teach our kids right from wrong. If they know, then we should never have to teach them anything, right. You know, Rog, I've seen alot of very "unatural kids" walking the streets lately. They must be of another species or planet. I guess all of the gang violence obviously came from some kids who weren't part of the primate family.

          • Roger Russel

            You are a product of your environment. Does god give animals morals? <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Dogs have more morals than you seem to.

            They would never want to burn a town full of Christians alive.

          • RoguePatriot6

            Someone has to discipline and teach that kid right from wrong. Hmmmmmm….now where would that person learn this from? and better yet, who taught that person who would teach this kid? and from what source? There had to have been someone who came up with the original standard of right and wrong, good or evil.

            You see, my entire point can be summed up into one question, "Who came up with the concept of "Good and Evil"? With out going to the bible or a version of it nobody can really answer it.

          • Roger Russel

            So you are saying that before christianity no one had morals? That's funny <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • RoguePatriot6

            No, what I am saying is that God is the source of all goodness. In fact the word "good" came from "God" just minus one "o"

            Without God their is no sense of Good or Evil, everything would be the same, we would be indifferent to it. Hmmmmmm…..not much different from what we have now. Basically people are becoming more and more confused as to actually what is right or wrong because God is being left out of our society. We kicked Him out. Lib/progs have finally got what they wanted or very close to it so far. A land completely devoid of what's morally right or wrong. They won. Hmmmm….Or have they?

            See…Romans 18:28

          • Roger Russel

            If you believe in God, you have chosen to reject Allah, Vishnu, Budda, Waheguru and all of the thousands of other gods that other people worship today. It is quite likely that you rejected these other gods without ever looking into their religions or reading their books. You simply absorbed the dominant faith in your home or in the society you grew up in. In the same way, the followers of all these other religions have chosen to reject God. You think their gods are imaginary, and they think your God is imaginary. In other words, each religious person on earth today arbitrarily rejects thousands of gods as imaginary, many of which he/she has never even heard of, and arbitrarily chooses to “believe” in one of them. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • patriothere

            They're atheists to all gods but one. jehova.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you're an atheist to all gods but allah.

          • patriothere

            No I believe in god. Just not the god you peddle. Your god is the devil as far as I'm concerned.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            you believe in the false allah.
            And I know he's false because he can't do a thing to the people of the Real God, or Israel would be in the sea.

          • Looking4Sanity

            You'd think they'd have figured that out by now, wouldn't you?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            As long as there is a six year old child bride left, they have their hope.

          • patriothere

            allah is arabic for god. The god of the bible. The god of abraham and isaac. ibrahim and ismail.

          • Ted G

            Actually that's not true at all. Allah was one of many gods of that day and was chosen to be placed above all the other gods of that day.
            Allah was in fact the name of one of the pagan moon gods.

            And Also have you ever heard the phrase "Allah Ackbar" (spelling?) well in Arabic the direct translation actually means "Allah is greatest"

            The obvious meaning there is that Allah (the moon god) was at that time pushed above all the other gods. So when you hear that, it does not simply mean "God is great" as the deceivers claim.

            Besides I was brought up with and taught that God means love, while Allah would basically call for my murder as one of the "others"

            So it is no real stretch for me to say that Allah is not God!

          • Looking4Sanity

            Don't say "our" morality. We all know you don't possess any.

            All the rest of that rant is just so much mental master bation. It's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about. Congrats! You qualify to work on Obama's social engineering team!

        • patriothere

          Americas heritage is freemasonry. Not christianity.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, it's not. But you do speak as a rented mouth for Iranian centric muslim friendly sources.

            Do you want me to quote where you admit you're paid to post here?

          • patriothere

            Yes it is. How would you know. You are not for the things that made this country great. You already admitted that. Freemasonry is what made this country great. Are you for freemasonry? George Washington was a freemason.

          • RoguePatriot6

            " You do well to wish to learn our arts and our ways of life, and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. Congress will do everything they can to assist you in this wise intention." George Washington

            it's funny how lib/progs are forever using the term "Christian revisionist" as if it, were Christians who twisted history and they never do. What a laugh.

          • patriothere

            Where is your link to that? I don't beleive that. He was still a freemason. As was thomas jefferson, thomas paine and most of the founders. They were not christians. Christianity was the enemy of the founders.

          • RoguePatriot6

            No, you don't WANT to believe it, just like your freind. If Christianity was REALLY the enemy of the Founding Fathers, then it must have been stockholm syndrome that made them say the things that they did. They left England because of the state getting involved with in the issues of The Church. As it got worse they soon figured out that the government becaem the Church's issue. That's why Jefferson wrote what he did in his letter to the Baptist church about "separation of church and state", the ACLU's beloved motto, that they turned around of course. He meant it in a sense that the Church needed protection from the state.

          • patriothere

            They were rebelling against the church. Christians are not the only group that believes in god. They weren't christians and that is my point.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Where is your link to this?

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            "I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out."

          • Looking4Sanity

            Give it a rest, Hadji. You've been watching too much DaVinci Code and become divorced from reality.

          • patriothere

            The founders were freemasons. They weren't christians.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why would I be for the things that make iran great?

            Your country and my country are two different things.

            And George Washington called for day of prayer and was open about his acceptence of the Creator.

            You just can't get clerics to write anything worth parroting, can you?

          • patriothere

            You are not for the things that make this country great. george washington was a freemason. As was thomas paine. These men were not christian. Not by any stretch of the imagination. I am an American and you are a traitor and are not for the things that make my country (America) great.

            george washington did not believe in a christian god.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Those men were deists that recognized and respected the creator.

            I heard that your president stinky achmaninijad is rumoured to be a homosapien.

            Can you prove he's not?

          • patriothere

            They were freemasons and they did not believe in jesus or yahweh or jehova.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course not. They were deists that believed in the Creator.

          • patriothere

            They did not believe in your god. They didn't believe in a christian god.

          • patriothere

            The onus is on you to prove it.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I don't do onus's. Is that a part of a goat?

          • Looking4Sanity

            Yeah. His favorite part. You know…where the goat pills come out.

          • Looking4Sanity

            Repeating a lie doesn't make it the truth. It only makes you a bigger liar.

      • RonaldCarnine

        Roger, you accuse me a revisionism, I beg to differ. I don't disagree with your quote of Ben ref. churches,,some are that way. I do disagree with your statement that our founding fathers were deist. That simply isn't true. No deist would call for a day of prayer. They believe God created and then left us to ourselves. No prayer needed. Our forefathers called for prayer. By the way, Ben was one who called for prayer, that happened at the Constitutional Convention. Did you look up the ref. I gave you when Ben used the OT to set straight one who criticized the Federalists? If you can get a copy of "Debate on the Constitution, Vol.2 pg.401" published by The Library of America. By the way, I doubt if Ben was a Christian, but he wasn't a deist either. But probably 80% of our forefathers were orthodox Christians. The evidence is overwhelming if you care to look. By the way, I do not rely on some historians opinion, I always go to first source materials for my information, if possible. No revisions allowed.

        • Roger Russel

          80% huh. Where is your source. http://watch.pair.com/GW.html <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Where is yours? Or do you bother to actually find out if your talking points are factual?

            So much hate, you drip with it.

      • WildJew

        I generally agree with your view of America's founders, albeit you seem hostile to all faith, even mine. What do you think the signers of the Constitution meant by, in the "seventeenth day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven…" (?) You could argue that it was the custom but why not in the "seventeenth day of September CE (Common Era) one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven." (?)

        • Mensch Kaymelon

          My two cents, look up what President John Adams signed in treaty with Tripoli:

          Verbiage of Treaty: "Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims], and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

          President Adams: Now be it known, That I John Adams, President of the United States of America, having seen and considered the said Treaty do, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, accept, ratify, and confirm the same, and every clause and article thereof. And to the End that the said Treaty may be observed, and performed with good Faith on the part of the United States, I have ordered the premises to be made public

          Let's Reveiw: "the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Your two cents are not worth that much.

            We are a secular nation founded on Christian values. Not on a theocracy like sharia is.

            So, what was your point?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003966489708 Mensch Keymelon

            I wrote it down for you…I could bother explaining it further, but I can only explain it to you so much, I can't understand it for you.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You wrote down a lot of stuff.

            None of it makes sense or fits reality.

            And if you go away and lie someplace else that's fine with me.

        • WTE

          The end of the Constitution records the year of its ratification, "the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven." Although, indeed, it uses the word "Lord", it does not refer to Jesus but rather to the dating method. Incredibly, some Christians attempt to use this as justification for a Christian derived Constitution. The term simply conveys a written English form of the Latin, Anno Domini (AD), which means the year of our Lord (no, it does not mean After Death). This scripted form served as a common way of dating in the 1700s. The Constitution also uses many pagan words such as January (from the two-headed Roman god, Janus), and Sunday (from the word Sunne, which refers to the Saxon Sun god). Can you imagine the ludicrous position of someone trying to argue for the justification of a pagan god based Constitution? The same goes to any Christian who attempts to use a dating convention as an argument against the Constitution's secular nature, and can only paint himself as naive, or worse, as dishonest and deceiving

      • pagegl

        A few were Deists, the remainder were predominately some Protestant denomination. If your world history came from the likes of Zinn then your have no idea what you're talking about.

    • Looking4Sanity

      As long as idiots such as yourself continue to roam the Earth, there will never be peace. If there is a purveyor of hate and ill will, it is you…you intolerant hateful bigot.

      • Roger Russel

        I love you Mrs. Sanity

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          Your goats will be crushed.

          • Lan Astaslem

            just like his nuts!

    • aspacia

      Roger,

      More people have been shoved in the hole by Mao, Lenin, Castro, Che, all atheists.

      The problem is Muslims murder in the name of Allah, whereas Christians, Jews, Buddhist, etc., do not.

      • Roger Russel

        Really? http://necrometrics.com/pre1700a.htm

        What about these christian priests killing 15,000 babies?
        http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/return-to-africas-

        • RoguePatriot6

          They murder in contrary to what Christ taught, not in accordance with it.

          Muslims, do so in ACCORDANCE to what Muhammad taught and commanded them to do.

          You see, this is a little fact that a vast many seem to overlook.

          • Roger Russel

            Yeah, murder is all over the OT. OT laws still apply until the earth passes away. Pretty sure We are still on earth <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • RoguePatriot6

            Jesus said: Matthew 24:35 "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away."
            He said this to express the His authority and His teachings. His teachings will last alot longer than anything that we can come up with or build. Alot of people are going to learn this the hard way when He comes back.

            You keep saying this and I keep explaining but you know what, I'm not going to that anymore.

            Peace.

            Hopefully one day, you'll actually pick up a bible and read it with a mind and heart set upon finding the truth instead of what that mountain sized chip on your shoulder tells you to look for.

          • Roger Russel

            The fact is I had the bible read to me and read it to myself with an open mind. If you really read it with an open mind and not a mind set on the chirstian god is real you can see how absurd it is <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You never ever read the Bible with an open mind.

            That's so sad it's not even funny that you would say that and pretend we should accept it.

          • Foolster41

            Your mind is so open, your brains spill out.
            To you reading with an "open mind" means any interpretation is true, even if it contradicts the rest of the bible! You admitted it doesn't matter what the context of what something actually says, if someone interprets something (even wrongly) to do evil, that book is still to blame! Everything is true, thus nothing is! Goodnight moon is a genocide tract!

          • WTE

            The entire bible contradicts itself. We are told salvation is obtained by faith alone (John 3:18 & 36) and then the Bible claims that it is repentance that shall save us (2 Peter 3:9) yet Jesus told a man to follow the Commandments-Matthew 19:16-1 8 (saving by works)-if he wanted eternal life. So which way is it and how do you know your belief is the correct one? According to the text there are 29 cities listed in Joshua 15:21-32. One need only count them to see that biblical math is not to be trusted. The total is 36. If God created everything, (Colossians 1:16, Ephesians 3:9, Revelation 4:11 & John 1:3), then he did create the world’s evil (Isaiah 45:7, Lamentations 3:38). Thus, he is responsible. Any being who could create situations such as rape, death, malnutrition, disease, molestation and murder is certainly not fit for worship <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Multi part rants?
            You must be hitting the flask already.

            Or did they hand this to you at work for new material to post?

            Why do you hate Christianity so much for the very things that islam is doing?

            And the Bible makes perfect sense. It wasn't intended to force a hate filled bigot to do anything, it's a story about a God willing to work with fallen humans. And for that, it's perfect.

          • Foolster41

            Ok, then. If you believe the bible is nonsense then you can't argue it clearly condones violence either! That argument works both ways. We're finally done!

          • WTE

            John 14:12 states a follower in Jesus can perform any of his works and do it even greater. If you continue to insist I believe in Jesus, it is only fair I may ask of you to show just how strong your faith is. After all, you would be my “mentor” in Christ. I’m not a believer as of yet, but surely you are. Would you mind perhaps resurrecting a dead relative or walking on water? Surely you can try Mark 16:17-1 8 which says believers can drink “any deadly thing” and “it shall not hurt” them. But I don’t think you would be naive enough to drink any arsenic offered. Perhaps I’m wrong and you would be willing to test the Book’s veracity-”lay it on the line” so to speak? <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still pretending to make sense?

            All you drip is hate.

    • Foolster41

      Once again you smear Christians as part of the "killing each other" despite the lack of evidence to the contrary that Christians aren't flying planes into murdering non-believers. You continue to falsely try to blame Christians on the violence of non-believers (atheists like Stalin), and ignore the difference between Christianity and Islam, where the later proclaimed violence until the last days, and the former turning the other cheek. Only by TRANSPARENTLY distorting Christian scripture (Using "the sword" which cannot be a call to violence, or applying "not passed away" to scripture that only applied to a time place, and thus cannot be the meaning) can you make out Christianity as violent, which has been refuted here again and again.

      • WTE

        Tell that to all the dead babies in Africa murdered by Christians <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          The dead are murdered by the islamists, do you want some links? http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/26/afric

          • WTE

            So these christian priests worship islam? http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/return-to-africas-witch-children/ <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And can you show these actions are the result of Christ's teachings?

            I can show that the muslim terror attacks are a result of the teachings of mohammed.

          • Lan Astaslem

            hey 'WTE' – does your name change when your personality does?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Lan, I'm Roger. I've always been. He used to be 'wee todd edwards' but changed it Jesusinator to offend Christians. Then a couple of days ago changed it to my name to offend me. Of course that's not really legal to impersonate, so he had to change it again. He's just gone back to his initials now is all.

            He does all sorts of weird things flailing around. But it's usually in normal business hours with evenings and weekends off. He probably sits at some sort of government terminal paid to sit and post propaganda.

        • Foolster41

          How was this in obedience to a command of Christ? Did Jesus ever have a witch killed? (He did forgive an adulterous woman, so that sort of defeats your "not pass away" argument doesn't it?)
          You know, someone with more shame wouldn't keep repeating false arguments.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Facts are not his friends.

          • WTE

            How can you sit here and talk about the teachings of jesus when you have not shown he existed? <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course I have. And you continue to ignore all evidence.

            Remember the patron saint of the Coptic church? He Judged Jesus and washed his hands when allowing the Jews to crucify him. Pilot.

          • Foolster41

            Irrelevent. You're going off on a tangent again. We have the recordings of what he was supposed to have done, which Christianity is based on. If Christians do things that counter that, then you cannot logically blame Christianity. I have already shown how Christ is recorded as not strictly obeying the law (not stoning an adulterer), and you have not shown how Christ EVER acted in, or commanded violence.

          • WTE

            What recordings? You can't show he even existed <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003966489708 Mensch Keymelon

        "Christians aren't flying planes into murdering non-believers."

        Oh, no, they don't need to…they have communal support for their state sponsored terrorism…they use drone bombers to blow up civilians and assassinate their own citizens….

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          Our government is secular. You muslim drones can't get that. You're simply used to sharia.

  • PermReader

    average Westerner hates confrontation even in times of the Soviet atomic rockets aimed at them.

    • Looking4Sanity

      You obviously haven't met "an average Westerner".

      • WTE

        You are not one

  • WildJew

    I've got a slim paperback entitled, "Are You A Conservative or a Liberal?" Chapter 7 (What is a Conservative?) reads in part:

    "Conservatism is the accumulated wisdom of human experience. It is respect for tradition. It is love for family, God and Country. It is skepticism of quick fixes and Utopian schemes. It is everything we have learned over the years, often at great cost….Conservatives don't have a plan to fist the world; In fact, we are suspicious of such grandiose visions…." (page 59)

    I voted for George W. Bush and John McCain. I plan to vote for Mitt Romney this November. The stakes could not be higher. I understand why leftist leaders lie to the people. They are about retaining and accumulating power for themselves and their movement. Obama seems to be about furthering the most extreme interpretation of Islam in the Middle East and North Africa. He courting Muslim Brotherhood activists / jihadists here in the U.S. But why does the right mislead the American people or as Mr. Greenfield says, live in denial about Islam? Speaking of Utopian schemes, here is something from CNN, December 2005:

    President Bush Monday compared Iraq's struggle to the birth of the United States, as he delivered the third installment in a four-part series of speeches designed to bolster support for the war.

    "It took a four-year civil war and a century of struggle after that before the promise of our Declaration (of Independence) was extended to all Americans," Bush said.

    "It is important to keep this history in mind as we look at the progress of freedom and democracy in Iraq."

    Asked by Dan Gilgoff of U.S. News & World Report if his repeated references to "jihad" in a speech at the Heritage Foundation characterized Islam in sinister terms, Mitt Romney surprised Gilgoff with this reply:

    I didn't refer to Islam at all, or to any other religion for that matter. I spoke about three major threats America faces on a long term basis. Jihadism is one of them, and that is not Islam. If you want my views on Islam, it's quite straightforward. Islam is one of the world's great religions and the great majority of people in Islam want peace for themselves and peace with their maker. They want to raise families and have a bright future.

    There is, however, a movement in the world known as jihadism. They call themselves jihadists and I use the same term…. It's by no means a branch of Islam. It is instead an entirely different entity. In no way do I suggest it is a part of Islam.

    George W. Bush (September 20, 2001 before a joint session of Congress and the American people):

    "The terrorists practice a fringe form of Islamic extremism that has been rejected by Muslim scholars and the vast majority of Muslim clerics; a fringe movement that perverts the peaceful teachings of Islam…..

    "I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world.
    We respect your faith. It's practiced freely by many millions of Americans and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah….

    (APPLAUSE)

    "The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself."

    What gives. I worry more about the right (my side) than the loony left. Can anyone explain this Neville Chamberlain-esque denial on the right?

    • MikeWood

      Good post WildJew. Before I read that I was feeling more sanguine about Mitt Romney. Now I can see he is as deluded about Islam as Bush and Obama (actually, the jury is out on Obama. It's really looking more and more likley that he supports the aims of the Muslim Brotherhood).

      • WildJew

        I'm not sure about President Bush. I think he surrounded himself with apologists for Islam. He and his father have had very good personal and financial relations with the Saudis. Author and scholar on Islam, Walid Pharis ("Future Jihad: Terrorist Strategies Against America") is one of Romney's advisers on Middle East foreign policy and Islam. From what I have read and heard from Phares, Romney is getting pretty good advice. Though I am not sure if Phares makes a distinction between Islam and jihad ideology. I hope not. Gingrich was more forthright about Islam than Romney. That is why I voted for Gingrich in the primary. I have no choice but to vote for Romney. I don't think this country can withstand another four years of Obama.

        Phares: http://barenakedislam.com/2012/06/19/romney-advis

        Here, it looks like Spencer approves of Phares' work: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/10/the-jihad-again

  • Jaladhi

    The West is clueless, stupid, naive, masochistic, more concerned with it's present image as a result of centuries imperialism and not facing the ugly truth about Islam, and consequently digging it's own grave!!

    • Looking4Sanity

      Speak for yourself, Hadji.

    • Frank

      You are totally correct. The so-called democracies did not want another conflict after WWI so they caved to Hitler thinking "Peace in our Time". The war that followed wad much worse than WWI. If they had taken Hitler out early, WWII might have been avoided. Islam should have been taken out long ago.

    • illawarrior

      Cluelessness has no compass … and applies equally to north, south, east and west. Every nation / race/ culture / religion has its share of intelligence and stupidity.

  • RiverFred

    The solution with Islam is to prove it is a fairytale story book religion. The fact is Muslims insult themselves by believing in Muhammad the perfect man who was a sex addict, pedophile, warrior, torturer, etc., basically an egotistical nut job.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Add to that the arrogant and false prophet muhammed couldn't take a joke.

      If the false prophet muhammed would be alive today, he would be the target of a HELLFIRE missile.

      Up Yours "prophet" Muhammed!

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      You try translating surah 9 1 and pretend it doesn't say you can negotiate in bad faith to unbelievers.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Those verses are what muslim militants are following.

        • patriothere

          Liar

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Ask Daniel Pearl.

  • mrbean

    The Iranian Islamic State was born in an act of war against America—the seizure of the American embassy in 1979—and has chanted “Death to America” ever since. Even Muslims at odds with Iran for sectarian reasons, such as many followers of Osama Bin Laden, draw inspiration from it as they engage in their own jihads against the West. Bin Laden’s most important effect in this regard has been to energize and empower radical Muslims to rise above the petty squabbles between Persian and Arab, and between Sunni and Shiite, to join Iran against the “Great Satan”: America. Hezbollah, Hamas, and company are dependent on Iran for ideological, political, and economic strength. The conclusion is inescapable. Islam is the enemy and Iran is its leader. The road to the defeat of Islam begins in Tehran. America, acting alone and with overwhelming force, must totally destroy the Iranian Islamic State now. Those other Muslim States and their proxy Islamic terrorists who will never respect America must be taught to fear it. This will do it.

  • Drakken

    The West continues to meet muslim aggression with appeasement and denial, the more the muslims push us against the wall the likely result will be a Crusades on steroids. The European countries are now coming back full circle to their nationalistic ways because their way of life is threatened from the disaster of 3rd world muslim immigration,crime, economic meltdown and govts that refuse to listen to the natives, the Balkans were a harbinger of things to come and make no mistake it will come to our shores here in the US as well.

    • Mensch Kaymelon

      What an idiot. Name one "Muslim" army that has invaded a foreign country and taken it over.

      • Stephen_Brady

        Shall we go back to the 7th Century, and to the great Pedophile himself?

        You DO realize … don't you? … that the much-maligned Crusades were simply a reaction to half of Christendom being murdered-in-the-mass by the soldiers of Islam, right? The drive towards the New World was, itself, a reaction to the destruction of the Byzantine Empire and the fall of Constantinople, in 1453.

        If you really think that Islam is peaceful and non-aggressive, I have a bridge in Brooklyn …

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003966489708 Mensch Keymelon

          What went around already came around but its going around again, isn't it? But we live here and we live now….what is going on now? You DO realize that this is the reality we all live in, right? The shrinking gloabl influence of the West, the rise of China, India, Iran, many African states ( big mess for the most part, but Chinese $ will clean it up) and then there's the whole loss of proxy control of the Middle East, and the imminent rise of regional powerhouse Turkey. It is no longer the post WWII world where America firmly holds the reigns of power and lords it over the World…this is economic and political upheaval unprecedented…and all without a world war and millions of murders committed. There is a political reality to any people and history is filled with examples of what happens when they don't play nicely with one another. It's coming back around, but not in any way you will ever figure out or get ahead of.

          • Drakken

            History is an amazing thing isn't it, it will repeat itself no matter what you sand apes say.

        • WilliamJamesWard

          I think this dolt is in the 7th Century and thinks Islams plans for the World are going
          forward towards success. I think not, the war has not started yet and the correct
          footing will take place post-Obama Brotherhood and post-Leftish foolishness. The
          great obsticle to starting the return of American strength is giving credence to liars
          and financially trapped politicians who have sold us out. If the idiocy continues after
          the November elections war will be the bottom line and last resort and it wll be
          against the Left and Islam for patriotic Americans. If it comes to that, call me Sherman.
          Wlliam

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003966489708 Mensch Keymelon

            I am sure you will be comissioned and given command of a full wing of gray haired arm chair bound warriors when your imaginary conflict ensues.

            The rest of us will be moving steadily on into the future innovating, building, expanding and establishing…if you are still breathing fifty years from now you will see a vast difference in what you think will happen and what actually does happen.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            islam hasn't done that since the 8th century.

  • BLJ

    All any skeptic of the evils of Islam has to do is read the Koran. It is all there. Better yet go to a mosque and check out the sermon.

    They really do hate all infidels.

    • BLJ

      Crawl back under your rock and wait for Comrade Obama to summon you.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003966489708 Mensch Keymelon

        Couldn't be more wrong…but that's par for the course here on this page, isns't it? Unfortunately, MItt Romney is a bit of a goober and it is going to take a miracle to unseat the Obamanation in the White House.

        • BLJ

          Ok. Just crawl back under you rock then.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003966489708 Mensch Keymelon

            You mean the ones I am soon to be salvaging from Giza? Sure, you can come join me once my new hotel is built…we'll market it far and wide… "The Romans did it, why not we Eqyptians!? Recycling is all the rage, we are saving the environment!" Build it and they will come.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why not use a rock from home or from the haj?

          • BLJ

            I was actually thinking more of the one's you can salvage from your head.

  • patriothere

    I got a better equation. The rest of the world minus the bandit state of israel = peace.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      How 'iran' of you. Don't you have a nuclear scientist to drive to work or something?

    • Foolster41

      Patriotism is NOT anti-semetic. Well, unless your "patriot" of one of the Muslim terrorist-supporting, Islamofacist states like Iran…

  • Schlomotion

    The rhetoric of this article fails because it was written in "The West" by a "Westerner." How can Mr. Greenfield level his indictment of "The West" from New York? Is there some place in New York that I don't know about that is classified as "The Orient" other than Chinatown? According to the author, "The West" is a mythical dystopia hijacked by anti-Zionist leftists. So where is the Eastern utopia of realpolitik?

    • mrbean

      Why don't you go take one and sit in it. Your stupid silly ant-semitic posts are an indication that you severely limited intellectually. Youse need tah git youse a GED deeplomah at least.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Did you know he had a starring role on a youtube video?
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMEe7JqBgvg

        You'll spot him with the pasty complexion.

      • Ghostwriter

        Thank for telling Schlockmotion off but the "Amos n' Andy" thing wasn't necessary.

  • Asher

    The Left has merged with Islam just like Hitler and Islam merged before the Holocaust. This country has one more chance to oust our Islamic President. Joel Rosenberg says in his book Implosion: The weaker the United States has grown economically, the more emboldened those who wish us harm have become—both to exacerbate our economic woes in the hopes of triggering our implosion and to steadily build their own strategic, conventional, and unconventional forces to prepare for the day when they believe they can overtake us or even destroy us. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad April 2008: "No politician can be found in the United States who is capable of saving the U.S. economy from this move toward the valley of downfall."

  • Boston

    One of these days, we'll find out that Shlockemotion's real name is Mohammed Goat-Lover Towel-head and be done with it. Your rhetoric fails every time you post anything.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      They do expose themselves in the most amusing ways. And the most mundane ways….
      But if they think they fool anyone, they're not.

  • ILIA TOLI

    My take on the problem is different. The Left and Islam are together because Marxism is the philosophy of loot and Islam is the religion of loot. When they win, they'll lacerate each other. When one of them wins, they'll have internecine. That's what predators do. They gang up to bring down the prey, then fight it off.

    Even the blablabla about world overpopulation fits this frame very well. They think there is already enough to loot, and they want everybody else off. They obviously put themselves in imaginary very convenient positions.

    All the talk about equality is just window dressing. Pure luck that redistribution improves the lot of Marx. Pure luck that Marx never worked, just a failed journalist. Same, Obama, Clinton and many other liberals never worked. They are there for the loot. The more the government owns, the easier it is for them to manipulate the paperwork and direct the property to themselves. How convenient! All of it without ever working.

    The solution to this all is for us to be more aggressive in discrediting them, pushing back, messing them up. It is a default problem of these looters that they do tend to suspect everybody about everybody. Also, if one renders it tough for them, the predators are the first in the chain to fall.

  • JAMAL

    FRIENDS NO NO PLEASE LISTEN NOT TO LIES ON ISLAM. YOU MUST KNOW ISLAM IS THE PEAECFUL RELIGION AND HOLY ONE HAS MANY MERCIES. FOR YOU ISLAM IS GOOD ON YOUR SOCIETY. IT BRINGING PEACE, JUSTICE, MORALITY SINCE ZIONIST DID CORRUPT AMERICA SADLY. ALSO TRUE IS THAT AS CHRISTIAN AND JEWIST YOU CAN UNDER ISLAM WORSHIP FOR YOU, I DON'T KNOW WORD OF ENGLISH, BUT DHIMI IS. IT IS NOT BAD BUT GOOD. JUST READ THE KORAN. READ THE KORAN AND YOU WILL TRUE ISLAM KNOW AND THAT MUHAMMAD PEACE BE ONY HIM WAS OF GREAT MESSAGEN, NOT THESE LIES. CONVERTINGTOISLAM.COM. I BRING YOU MANY GREETS AND PEACE FROM QATAR.

    • Lan Astaslem

      go suck on allah

    • WilliamJamesWard

      Message from Troll headquarters…………don't be bothered by the gunfire in the background,
      just a few Islamists murdering each other and maybe a sodomy party or a getting rid of that
      useless wife, Bang,Bang,Bang…………just the usual Muslim crap……………….William

    • Jaladhi

      Islam and peace – you must be a real Muslim moron who can't think for himself and believes every word that the imams tell you. Read Quran yourself and understand yourself without the help of your mullahs an stop believing their lies. There is nothing peaceful in Islam. Islam is all criminal, invade, loot, kill, murder, rape, pedophile, intimidation, threats and your are never allowed to think for yourself since Mo/allah has done all thinking for you. That is why you can't find any problem with Islam while the world is terrorized and set on fire by Muslims – the followers of so call religion of peace!!

      The world has not known peace since Islam was invented by your rapist, pedophile murderer Mo/allah. Learn the truth about Islam and stop telling lies to us since we know all about you and your cult!! Leave Islam and join the human race!!

  • Stuart Parsons

    The Islamic doctrine of Al-Wala wal Raba – love what Allah loves and hate what Allah hates- says it all. Allah in his revelation 3:28 insists Muslims must not GENUINELY becomes friends of non-Muslims who Allah insists are of the party of Satan. Revelation 8:55 informs us that "in the eyes of Allah non-Muslims are the vilest of beasts" and in revelation 48:29 he insists Muslims must be " hard against non-Muslims and compassionate to each other."

    It is greatly to be regretted that Islam is a far, far greater threat to the well-being of mankind than Fascism and Communism ever were. Sadly, most politicians of the West know little about the Islamic religion and the few that do are afraid to speak out. As Winston Churchill pointed out……" Appeasers are those who feed the crocodile in the hope it will eat them last."…….. meanwhile the Islamic crocodile is feeding well at our expense.

  • Mach1Duck

    BUT! Islam is failing, it is failing in everything it touches. Most non-Muslims think of Islam as a unified religion it is not. It is about as unified as the Christian church in all its splintered aspects. The difference is the sects of Islam are as much at war with the other Islam as they are with the West. Look a Pakastan, it is a basket case, if it were not for the West, Pakastan would crumble into dust. Want to watch a disaster in the making, watch Egypt. Egypt the crucible of the Muslim Brotherhood, it is going to rot like an egg laid in the desert sand.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003966489708 Mensch Keymelon

      What planet are you from? You seem to have lost touch with reality…

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Maybe from the slums of Tehran or Cairo where the poor go hungry.

  • WilliamJamesWard

    We have Western elites due to the sickening proclivity towards tolerance that has reached
    a toxic level and people find it easier to believe continuing falsehoods than believe the
    truth that is smacking them in the head. …………………..William

  • sedoanman

    This is no different from the way Chamberlain reacted to Hitler's demands. Chamberlain got so much political capital invested in negotiating with Hitler that when Hitler finally upped the price of peace too high for Chamberlain to ask his constituency to bear, Chamberlain was sunk. That is why these "Little Chamberlains" make war inevitable. One more note: they never pay the price for their folly.

    • SAM000

      Very well said;
      But, the principal Chamberlain now, is OBAMA.

  • jppc

    Why has Islamic immigration into the USA gone up and significantly gone up since 9/11? Mohammedans are moving their whole extended families here and building mosques like they're going out of style.

    We will regret not stopping or at least reducing Islamic immigration.

  • SAM000

    Very dear Mister Greenfield;
    The huge mistake that the western writers are doing is that they get the last events and they conclude that the Arab uprising or Arab spring is failed.
    in the Egyptian Example,
    Let me to ask you 3 "UPSIDE DOWN" questions or 3 inverse Questions.
    Why MB should not win the Egyptian ELECTION?
    What is the relationship between freedom uprising and the Islamist victory in an election
    Where are the well organized democratic and secular parties in a dictatorship like EX-Egyptian Regime? or does a dictatorship permits the formation of the democratic and secular parties?

    The only parties who have the permission for existence in a dictatorship are the Islamist associations, WHY? because the Islamist associations do not interfere with the politics under a dictator REGIME.

    Do you think that Ben-ALI or Mubarak or Kadaffi have left any democrat leader alive???!!!

    I'm Iranian, my 18 years old brother was arrested and jailed for having read only 3 books during the Shah Regime,
    After 1,5 year, when he was freed, he was handicapped because of the permanent tortures in the Shah's jail.
    He was not Islamist, he was killed after by the Khomeini's Regime.

    The Shah's Regime executed or jailed all the secular and free thinkers, but the same Shah's Regime left free and supported all the Islamist Associations.

    After the Shah Islamists took the power with the welcome of the Communists.

    Do the Egyptians have done a revolution against Islam?
    The Egyptian Democrats know the danger of Islamism, but they are not organized for an election.

    The only free election that can bring the Democrats to win will be in Iran.
    Because 33 years of death and destruction and poverty because of the Islamic Regime will result a system that will bury the Islamism for ever in Iran.
    This is a reality in Iran, and this is the reason why OBAMA backs the Mullahs against the Iranian people.

  • MuslimProWisdom

    Watch Alex Jones's documentaries – learn your history – many terrorist attacks were false flag.
    Terrorism has no place in Islam – Islam means peace or did you not know that??!!!!
    The real terrorists are Bush, Obama, Tony Blair and their cronies. Wake up – you've been lied to too many times by the world's politicians.
    People as ignorant as you make me sick at how stupid people really are – whether you are a government goon paid to rant for them or you really are deaf dumb and blind. If you don't "wake up" it's no loss on my part but yours and those you misguide with your verbal garbage!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    You are the reason why muslims can't be reasoned with.

    You will do and say anything to paint islam as reasonable when we both know it's not.

    And to quote that old text and pretend it means anything to anyone but Jews when Christ and His teachings are what Christians follow shows how desperate you are to pretend you're not a complete hack.

    • ahmadnb

      You are as hypocritical as I had suspected.People like you are so fond of quoting the Old Testament when you highlight “prophecies” concerning the coming of Christ. And when I bring up something in the SAME OLD TESTAMENT that points directly towards something that supports something that you are vehemently opposed to, it becomes “old text “. Moreover, your anti-Semitic colors are showing here loud and clear. You're trying to have it both ways. People here can see through your retarded, twisted games. It's only a matter of time before you go completely bonkers. I will sit here and smile as I watch you take that downward spiral into total insanity, you phony “Christian”.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        I am a Christian. You as a muslim may or may not be taught what that means. It means I am a follower of Christ. There were prophesies in the old Testament about His arrival, but it's His teachings I follow.

        You are so phony, even for a muslim activist.

        • ahmadnb

          Yeah, you pick and choose which prophecies you wish to follow after interpreting them the way you want to.You know, every accusation that you have made against me and the others that you've been trolling after can be made against you. I don't see you as a Christian at all…just one who likes to think himself as a Christian. You are your own god and Jesus is your idol who obeys your commands.And if you're right about your Old Testament “prophecies”, and it sounds like there are several, why is it that the Jews don't all convert to Christianity? Either you're wrong or they're ALL incredibly stupid. I've read testimonies from Jews who converted to Christianity and then reconverted to Judaism, who said that the Biblical passages that they initially thought pointed to Christianity's validity were, upon closer examination, not what they were hyped up to be, and that a 1st year law student ought to be able to see through them.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            My my, so let's go with this latest rant.

            That means let's be fair and apply it to everything. So, that means you can't weasel out of surah 9 and all the militants living by it are actually following what the koran teaches.

            Does that work for you, do you want to maintain that standard?

          • ahmadnb

            I still haven't heard an explanation from you regarding Song of Solomon 5:9-16 in the original Hebrew. That's from YOUR Bible. Dismiss it and you're no longer a Christian or a Jew either.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            That was for Jews. You know, the ones that don't rely on the sacrifice of the Messiah. Dismiss what? You don't even take the koran literally, so who are you to tell me I have to take all of the Bible literally?

            See how that works? For you to impose something on me that Christians don't accept normally, while you refuse to do the same with the koran when most muslims would stone you for it, that's not credible.

          • ahmadnb

            So, it was meant for Jews only? Then Jews should convert to Islam, and not to Christianity! Does this prove once and for all that your religion is just a made-up bunch of fake writings by Paul to convert pagans to what noted Christian-turned-Jewish author Yaffa DaCosta called “Hellenized Judaism”??? After all, it's not the first religion that deified its founder…look up Buddhism.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Ask the Jews, and see what they tell you.

            And you still have offered nothing to show that it's wrong to stone a rape victim under sharia, in typical 8th century barbarism.

          • ahmadnb

            That claim was made by Jews who converted to Islam…they've got a very good website out there:http://jews-for-allah.org/Now wasn't Joseph fearful that Mary, mother of Jesus, was going to be stoned to death for becoming pregnant? That didn't come from Sharia, did it? If not, I wonder where?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I am laughing at your lame attempts. I have a link for you. http://www.buddhistsforviolence/com they have even better claims.

            You ought to know that when you lie you ought to make up something believable.

            And did you notice nobody involved wanted violence for Mary? That's the difference, islam looks for excuses to use violence.

            What a propagandist. Any real Jews would have understood that.

          • ahmadnb

            Lame attempts? That was a legitimate website…looks like you were too yellow to click on it and find out what was in there. Now the web address you mentioned doesn't even exist.And you call me lame? Looked in the mirror lately? Yellow idiot…Now I wonder why violence wasn't done to Mary? Was it because of mercy and compassion, or was something far more powerful at play, something that the Bible didn't mention but the Qur'an did?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course it was lame, first off, I'm not Jewish. If I don't agree with them while they were loyal to the Almighty, why would I agree with them now? Even if they were real people instead of muslims using al taqiya.

          • ahmadnb

            If you're a Christian, you know darn well that you have to take into account what's in the Old Testament. Ignore that and you have no foundation for Christianity. What are you, an anti-Semite? Sure fits in well with the profile of a Klansman or a Nazi.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I am a Christian and I know that I follow the teachings of Christ. I believe the entire scriptures are inspired, but the teachings I follow are those of the messiah.

          • ahmadnb

            All you do is hold up the teachings of Christ high above your head and exhort others to follow them. But your conduct here is the exact opposite of what Jesus practiced and preached. And if you are a true practitioner of Christianity, then Christianity must be a vile, hateful and evil religion that permits slander, libel, racial bigotry, etc. in which case I would want no part of it.So which is it? I've seen atheists and pagans behave FAR better than you.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you keep sayingislam isn't a barbaric forced style of life andall aroundthe world you're being proven wrong.

            So, who's worse? You, since you refuse to admit that there is a reason the caliphate is going to deserve resistance from all civilizedpeople.

          • ahmadnb

            I hold up and practice the commandments of the Qur'an and follow the example that Muhammad set forth…with a modern interpretation. No one forces me to do what I do, and I mind my own business, unlike you who seems to have a problem with my very existence. And I gladly live by the laws of this land which in no way restricts my religious freedom in any way.What caliphate? The last great Caliph, Ali, died more than 1,000 years ago. Since then the Caliphate has been split; the last modern caliphate went down with the Ottoman empire. As of now, there is NO caliphate which is now a thing of the past. So worry not…There's nothing to resist against. I don't know who's more stupid…the Jihadis who try to conjure up some fanthom Western/Jewish “enemy” to fight against,or people like you who chase pink Islamic elephants that fly and burn crosses and troll the Internet all the time.. What's the matter, Klansman? Couldn't get a single Muslim to accept Christ, and so you lash out instead? Are you a glutton for insults and punishment or what? Get yourself a hanky before you cry me another river.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            EntSo, you're like the activists that followed everything and hacked of Daniel Pearl's head because they knew sharia demanded total submission. It's just a matter of degree, like the Fort Hood shooter before he pulled the gun. When can we trust you not to be a loaded gun waiting to step out from behind al taqiyya and start shooting people or loading up a car bomb?
            Surah 9 mandates dont' have a lot of flexibility.
            er text right here!

          • ahmadnb

            You are more than incredibly stupid, you know. I don't need some amateur, arrogant, SOB to explain to me the proper meaning of Sura 9. Especially from someone who claims to be a strong Christian but who totally dismisses the Old Testament and the role that Biblical Israel played.You're living in a house with no foundation. Before you try to teach me about my religion, educate yourself about your own first. I know more about Christianity than you do, and that's something that seems to bother you a lot, which is why you constantly try to deflect attention away from your own shortcomings. Don't worry…I won't make a martyr out of you. You're not worth the effort.And it looks like one of your KKK “brothers” carried out a little mission of “Christian love” at a Sikh Temple up in Wisconsin. Way to go, Roger Russell. Bravo. I wonder what part of the Bible commanded him to carry out such an act??

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The problem is that muslim activists understand surah 9 and live by it.

          • ahmadnb

            No, you only WISH that this was true. Because you're afraid of being proven wrong. And you think that if you're wrong, your entire argument falls apart, which only goes to prove that you've been walking on quicksand all this while.Your ego is the size of a planet, and that's all you've got. No faith, no truth, no foundation…just a bunch of derogatory statements. Sure shows a lack of any kind of formal education. How many teeth do you still have left in that empty little skull of yours? 3?And besides, were you or one of your “brothers” involved in that mosque arson in Joplin, MO last night? Great going…accusing my side of doing what your side seems to have a boner for doing. The shooting of Rep. Gabby Giffords. The carrot top kid who got caught spraying bullets into a crowded theater. The Sikh Temple shooter. And now a mosque arson. Yay.

  • R Kantor

    It is called the curse of Islam and it is unfortunately spreading.

  • IamFluff

    But why ignore the right in this cover up? Isn't it obvious that conservative policies adopted to benefit big business are as much to blame as anything? The same Arab Prince Obama bowed so deeply to is the one Dubya was seen holding hands with and kissing on the lips. I have a photo of members of Al Queda socializing with Regan who called them "Freedom Fighters". I think that making this partisan issue only weakens the argument – it's BIGGER than that. Look at McCain and Boehner scrambling to vilify Bachmann. Why don;'t they want an investigation of the Muslim Brotherhood in our government? How about Grover Norquist? All sides are guilty of creating this monster and all sides obfuscate the reality of how much danger we are really in.

  • Tommy Peters

    Brilliant. As an aside, Greenfield’s teaching tool is ‘mass’, not quite the 'academic'. If you learnt that one acre is 44,000 sq. feet, you learnt the 'academic'. If you are told that one acre is the size of a soccer pitch with a ring around it, you’ve got ‘mass’. Mass triggers the imagination.

  • illawarrior

    No one, of any nationality, religion, culture…. except a fool, gives money to any stranger on the internet. Religion has been argued for years. Historically, there are many religions claiming to have the "only true god(s)". Logically .. only one .. or none.. can be correct. Muslims criticise non muslims… and vice versa. Who is to say who is right, and who is wrong? It could be that they are ll wrong … time will tell. Why do people feel the need to force their beliefs upon others? There is room enough in this world for a diversity of beliefs, including the non-belief in any religion!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    You are lying of course. But you are muslim friendly so it's expected of you.
    Go ahead and explain away surah 9 again.

    9:39 If ye go not forth He will afflict you with a painful doom, and will choose instead of you a folk other than you. Ye cannot harm Him at all. Allah is Able to do all things.

  • Drakken

    Yeah sure muslim, who are we infidels going to believe? You ? Or our lying infidel eyes? Soon it isn't going to matter, for you muslims give us jihad, we are going to return the favor with Crusades.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003966489708 Mensch Keymelon

    I don't have to explain away anything. Pagan Quraish violated a treaty, were warned, and a few of them paid the price. End of story. Your outtakes are meaningless in reality, and only your imagination is filling in the blanks.

    Recall, "Ask not what your country can do for you…"

    Wow, all those wonderful images in your mind, the people, the place, the setting, the political and military realities, the alliances, the issues of the day, wow, even the close people of that great person…all this rises to mind, yes, even yours I assume.

    But when a single verse of the Quran is listed your mind is a blank.

    So you take the English only translated word and inject meaning from your own experiences…

    That is how you fail and why you think a Muslim is lying when he tells you the truth.

  • Ted G

    Aah that's right, we can read the words but we need a true muslim to interpret them for us.

    Never mind what the koran actually says, go ask a mullah what it really means…move along now folks.

    Your wisdom is simply overwhelming, I've simply taken all these hateful passages out of context.

    Thx Mensch, I feel properly chastised by your superior knowledge and understanding of islam.
    I will go to sleep tonight feeling better that I no longer have to worry about islam anymore.

  • Jaladhi

    Muslims have never told the truth about Islam – they hide it not only from non-Muslims but also from Muslims like you who believe every word that your imams and mullahs tell you. Learn the truth about Islam and get out of this cult. BTW that can be very dangerous for you since those SS troopers of allah will be after your neck, you see "there is compulsion of religion in Islam", anybody trying to get out of this cult is a target to be sent to allah's paradise aka hell.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Thank goodness we had an authentic muslim troll here handy to put his spin on things.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003966489708 Mensch Keymelon

    "But when a single verse of the Quran is listed your mind is a blank."

    And think, it's just as true as when I first wrote down for you.

    That's just it, isn't it? You don't know what it says…you only know what the English words mean to you in the context of your education…no education in the subject, no knowledge in the field, just pick up a manual on brain surgery…never mind understanding the terminology or learning how certain chemicals combine and react within a patient…just use your imagination and the public school education you were given and pick up a scalpel.

  • Ted G

    Your not very convincing Mensch. Repeating the same BS does not make it true.
    Let me anticipate and trot out your next arguments?

    1.) The koran can only be properly understood when read in arabic.
    2.) You must have memorized the koran to have any credibility when interpreting it.
    And this one I love;
    3.) Only a cleric/mullah can properly explain the written word from any of islams unholy texts whether it be in arabic or an english translation.

    I'm sure you don't even realize how insulting you are being.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    But he repeats it so often!

  • MuslimProWisdom

    No go to a trusted source – in fact read who was the most influential man of this world – and it's a non-Muslim who voted Muhammad as the most influential in all that is good.
    Some translations of the Quran are deliberately twisted. Many of the sources are not credible hence rendering their translations of the Quran unreliable.
    This war of words has been going on for centuries. Islam, and I live in the UK. is respected by many and if the 4million Muslims here believe in a religion you say is a threat then I'm sure the UK Government would have by now put a stop to us practicing our faith.
    Shame, the internet is a great source for knowledge yet many find it difficult to impartially exact their efforts to attaining the truth.
    Many antagonists of Islam seem to have a chip on their shoulder about Islam. Just seek the truth with a clear mind and not let the opinions of others cloud your judgement

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    I'm sure that the woman stoned for being raped in Somalia would disagree with you.

  • Ted G

    Pardon me mr pro muslim, but
    is it or is it not a death penalty under islam if you leave the religion?
    Is it or is it not a death penalty for anyone muslim or not that insults islam or its false prophet?
    is it or is it not a death penalty under islam for a non-muslim male to marry a muslim women?
    is it or is it not sanctioned under islam to murder a pretty much anyone for blasphemy against islam or its false prophet?

    Does islam punish the parents or the grandparents if they decide to murder thier own children or grandchildren if they stray to far from islam as judged by them?

    And does islam treat non-muslims as equals in virtually anyway whatsoever?

    As that Senator from Florida said Don't try to blow sunshine up my ass.

  • Ted G

    Actually No! That does not help at all. If anything it only makes you an apostate.

    Now you may not believe in that stuff, and I am glad to hear that, but islam absolutely does.

    But in one very important way you are being dishonest by trying to tell me/us that islam does not support these atrocities I have mentioned above. They are all part of the sharia. They are all confirmed as true by all the primary and so called scholars of the four main schools of islam and have also been approved by al azhar in Cairo, Egypt.

    Now you know this to be true so why would you try to deceive me…I wonder.

    I would be very curious what would happen if you were to bring your concerns directly to the mullahs in Cairo and tell them how they are all wrong.

    And BTW I have read the trilogy and in aggregate you cannot say that those unholy scriptures do not support the learned scholars of islam.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    You need to check the surah 9 mandates and realize that's what muslim activists are doing all around the world. For us not to act on that, and take precautions would be suicidal.

  • Ted G

    Sorry Mr pro muslim, but all these things we have discussed are established in islamic law (sharia).
    These are facts on the ground if you will. Your denial notwithstanding.

    Until I hear that these ugly bits are no longer islamic law, then I will continue to call them out and any muslim as well that denies these truths.

    As I said you should be commended for rejecting these ugly bits, but based on your own religious teachings, you would be put to death for speaking out against them in a country ruled by the sharia.

    But whats even more important is you don't get to overrule the established islamic authorities regarding this stuff. So please stop lying to people based on your wishful thinking.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Why would I use a source that ignores reality and the death that sharia imposes as it follows that surah 9 mandate thing?