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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/with-democracy-for-all-and-freedom-for-none/comment-page-1/#comment-3972203</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 04:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indeed. Thanks for reminding me; so is &quot;Nazi Democratic Republic&quot; and &quot;Shinto Democratic Republic&quot; and it&#039;s why we had to destroy them and force a constitution on them. What&#039;s wrong with learning valuable lessons from history? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed. Thanks for reminding me; so is &quot;Nazi Democratic Republic&quot; and &quot;Shinto Democratic Republic&quot; and it&#039;s why we had to destroy them and force a constitution on them. What&#039;s wrong with learning valuable lessons from history? </p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 04:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;First, the United States is not and has never been a democracy. It is a republic. There is a vast difference.&quot; 
 
It&#039;s a democratic republic. It&#039;s a flavor of democracy that we forget we need to define explicitly. It might be too late for small measures in that regard. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;First, the United States is not and has never been a democracy. It is a republic. There is a vast difference.&quot; </p>
<p>It&#039;s a democratic republic. It&#039;s a flavor of democracy that we forget we need to define explicitly. It might be too late for small measures in that regard. </p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 04:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Then Democracy becomes a caricature of itself.&quot; 
 
This all goes back to the liberals and communists distorting definitions with political correctness and lies so that they can say what anything properly is. As I said recently, Saudi Arabia was described (post 911) as a &quot;kind of democracy&quot; too (on PBS). They don&#039;t even have elections! ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Then Democracy becomes a caricature of itself.&quot; </p>
<p>This all goes back to the liberals and communists distorting definitions with political correctness and lies so that they can say what anything properly is. As I said recently, Saudi Arabia was described (post 911) as a &quot;kind of democracy&quot; too (on PBS). They don&#039;t even have elections! </p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Parsons</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stuart Parsons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 21:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It should be remembered that these so called crazies are following the instructions that the wonderful &#039;Prophet&#039; received from the mighty Allah via a six hundred winged angel named Gabriel.   These wonderful people who are being maligned as crazies, know Satan might sleep in their noses at night and angels will not enter a house containing a dog or a picture.  Furthermore, they know impotence can be cured by eating boiled eggs with Quran verses written on them and they have no need to worry if a fly falls into their drink.   The fact that they are wise and powerful is fully attested to by the fact that when Satan hears the Muslim  call to prayer he loudly passes wind and flees.  Oh my god Allah must be a wonderful god because the Sun sleeps under his throne at night. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be remembered that these so called crazies are following the instructions that the wonderful &#039;Prophet&#039; received from the mighty Allah via a six hundred winged angel named Gabriel.   These wonderful people who are being maligned as crazies, know Satan might sleep in their noses at night and angels will not enter a house containing a dog or a picture.  Furthermore, they know impotence can be cured by eating boiled eggs with Quran verses written on them and they have no need to worry if a fly falls into their drink.   The fact that they are wise and powerful is fully attested to by the fact that when Satan hears the Muslim  call to prayer he loudly passes wind and flees.  Oh my god Allah must be a wonderful god because the Sun sleeps under his throne at night. </p>
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		<title>By: Gloria Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gloria Stewart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 21:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To Free Spirit and Mary Sue 
 
     Actually there is some question as to who burned the library. Plutarch blamed it on Julius Caesar, though the library was not Caesar&#039;s primary target when he started the fire. Historian Edward Gibbons blamed in on Theophilus and Bishop Gregory blamed it on Caliph Omar. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Free Spirit and Mary Sue </p>
<p>     Actually there is some question as to who burned the library. Plutarch blamed it on Julius Caesar, though the library was not Caesar&#039;s primary target when he started the fire. Historian Edward Gibbons blamed in on Theophilus and Bishop Gregory blamed it on Caliph Omar. </p>
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		<title>By: Mary Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Sue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 21:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[no, actually, it&#039;s not.   
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tektonics.org/harpur01.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.tektonics.org/harpur01.html&lt;/a&gt; 
 
&lt;i&gt;[Tom] Harpur refers to the &quot;utter destruction of 500,000 to 750,000 books and scrolls&quot; by a &quot;Christian mob.&quot; &lt;b&gt;In fact the majority of damage to the library was done by Ptolemy VIII in 89-88 BC, when he burned most of the city, and Julius Caesar in 47 BC, when he partially destroyed the library&lt;/b&gt;; then some of the volumes were moved to Rome to replenish libraries there. The next destruction of the library occurred in 273 under Aurelian when he burned the city -- not targeting the library itself. 
 
    Please note that Harpur incorrectly dates Aurelian to the fourth century -- he was a pagan emperor who lived in the third century -- and he attributes this destruction to &quot;Emperor Aurelian and the Christians&quot;. In fact Aurelian was a pagan who set up a religion dedicated to Sol the sun god. 
    Harpur says that the Serapeum, &quot;to which most of the books had been moved,&quot; was burned down on order of Theophilus, in 400. The name is right, but the date was 391, and the books had not been &quot;moved&quot; there -- the Serapeum was just a small temple library, only a shadow of the one destroyed earlier by pagans themselves.&lt;/i&gt;  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no, actually, it&#039;s not.<br />
  <a href="http://www.tektonics.org/harpur01.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.tektonics.org/harpur01.html</a> </p>
<p><i>[Tom] Harpur refers to the &quot;utter destruction of 500,000 to 750,000 books and scrolls&quot; by a &quot;Christian mob.&quot; <b>In fact the majority of damage to the library was done by Ptolemy VIII in 89-88 BC, when he burned most of the city, and Julius Caesar in 47 BC, when he partially destroyed the library</b>; then some of the volumes were moved to Rome to replenish libraries there. The next destruction of the library occurred in 273 under Aurelian when he burned the city &#8212; not targeting the library itself. </p>
<p>    Please note that Harpur incorrectly dates Aurelian to the fourth century &#8212; he was a pagan emperor who lived in the third century &#8212; and he attributes this destruction to &quot;Emperor Aurelian and the Christians&quot;. In fact Aurelian was a pagan who set up a religion dedicated to Sol the sun god.<br />
    Harpur says that the Serapeum, &quot;to which most of the books had been moved,&quot; was burned down on order of Theophilus, in 400. The name is right, but the date was 391, and the books had not been &quot;moved&quot; there &#8212; the Serapeum was just a small temple library, only a shadow of the one destroyed earlier by pagans themselves.</i>  </p>
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		<title>By: Mary Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Sue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 21:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Saddam Hussein pretty much said he did what he did to keep a lid on the crazies. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saddam Hussein pretty much said he did what he did to keep a lid on the crazies. </p>
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		<title>By: freespirit</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great essay...I wanted to correct you,cause I believe that the early Christian inflamed the library in Alexandria-Egypt. That is a historical fact,as well as it is a fact,that as well as there is no secularism in the society,there will be no progress. And it doesn&#039;t mateer if there is a &quot;peacefull&quot; form of a state religion...it will always be selfish and hermatized this society,regarding the new ideas. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great essay&#8230;I wanted to correct you,cause I believe that the early Christian inflamed the library in Alexandria-Egypt. That is a historical fact,as well as it is a fact,that as well as there is no secularism in the society,there will be no progress. And it doesn&#039;t mateer if there is a &quot;peacefull&quot; form of a state religion&#8230;it will always be selfish and hermatized this society,regarding the new ideas. </p>
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		<title>By: tagalog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tagalog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 19:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The kind of democracy Mr. Greenfield is talking about is what the Classical Greek philosphers were thinking of when they considered democracy. For them, democracy, the direct rule of the people, was chaotic and invited inevitably the rise of the tyrant.  
 
Americans and the English discovered a workable form of democracy, the republican form of government. But republicanism requires a willingness to agree that some group of people must have enough authority and enough virtue to lead properly.  It also requires a responsible method for choosing leaders, something we have lost since we discovered that we can vote ourselves largesse from the national treasury.   We have lost all virtue in these latter days since the end of the Depression, and we have spat in the face of any pretensions to authority so that no one feels safe claiming that some value is the &quot;right&quot; one. That dooms us as a nation. Other cultures never developed any national feeling for such things, so of course their democracies are likewise fated to fail. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The kind of democracy Mr. Greenfield is talking about is what the Classical Greek philosphers were thinking of when they considered democracy. For them, democracy, the direct rule of the people, was chaotic and invited inevitably the rise of the tyrant.  </p>
<p>Americans and the English discovered a workable form of democracy, the republican form of government. But republicanism requires a willingness to agree that some group of people must have enough authority and enough virtue to lead properly.  It also requires a responsible method for choosing leaders, something we have lost since we discovered that we can vote ourselves largesse from the national treasury.   We have lost all virtue in these latter days since the end of the Depression, and we have spat in the face of any pretensions to authority so that no one feels safe claiming that some value is the &quot;right&quot; one. That dooms us as a nation. Other cultures never developed any national feeling for such things, so of course their democracies are likewise fated to fail. </p>
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		<title>By: Gloria Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gloria Stewart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 19:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[  As usual Daniel Greenfield is right on the mark. He is, I believe, the most knowledgeable observer and writer on the Middle East.  
 
    I would like to add some observations. Islam and classic liberal democracy (I do not use the term &#039;democracy&#039; in the literal sense, nor, I assume does Mr. Greenfield) are incompatible.  Muslims do not develop critical thinking skills that are a pre condition for free citizens. Their Koran, hadith, and Sira do not permit it as do our Old and New Testament. Since Muslims are taught exclusively in their early years from these three sources, their minds are set when they reach adulthood, even if they come to the West.  
 
     A well known Muslim conqueror (I forget his name) when asked  whether he would destroy the library in Alexandria, said (this is a paraphrase) that if the books in the library agreed with the Koran, they were redundant, and, if they did not, they were blasphemy. 
 
    Muslims cannot accept the rule of law - the true pre condition for a free country. Their Sharia is a subjective free for all. and conclusions cannot be reached by linear reasoning. This is the opposite of English Common Law and its various derivatives. If a Muslim perceives - I said &#039;perceives&#039; - that one has criticized Mohammed, Allah, or the Koran he can accuse him of blasphemy. Good luck getting out of that one. A Muslim is under obligation to kill an apostate - a clear underwriting of vigilante law. 
 
     There might - I say might - have been an excuse to have been optimistic about the Arab Spring when it began. But do many fewer believe in it today? Do they slap themselves in the head and say &quot;Was I ever wrong&quot;. No, and the stupidity continues. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>  As usual Daniel Greenfield is right on the mark. He is, I believe, the most knowledgeable observer and writer on the Middle East.  </p>
<p>    I would like to add some observations. Islam and classic liberal democracy (I do not use the term &#039;democracy&#039; in the literal sense, nor, I assume does Mr. Greenfield) are incompatible.  Muslims do not develop critical thinking skills that are a pre condition for free citizens. Their Koran, hadith, and Sira do not permit it as do our Old and New Testament. Since Muslims are taught exclusively in their early years from these three sources, their minds are set when they reach adulthood, even if they come to the West.  </p>
<p>     A well known Muslim conqueror (I forget his name) when asked  whether he would destroy the library in Alexandria, said (this is a paraphrase) that if the books in the library agreed with the Koran, they were redundant, and, if they did not, they were blasphemy. </p>
<p>    Muslims cannot accept the rule of law &#8211; the true pre condition for a free country. Their Sharia is a subjective free for all. and conclusions cannot be reached by linear reasoning. This is the opposite of English Common Law and its various derivatives. If a Muslim perceives &#8211; I said &#039;perceives&#039; &#8211; that one has criticized Mohammed, Allah, or the Koran he can accuse him of blasphemy. Good luck getting out of that one. A Muslim is under obligation to kill an apostate &#8211; a clear underwriting of vigilante law. </p>
<p>     There might &#8211; I say might &#8211; have been an excuse to have been optimistic about the Arab Spring when it began. But do many fewer believe in it today? Do they slap themselves in the head and say &quot;Was I ever wrong&quot;. No, and the stupidity continues. </p>
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		<title>By: Elaine Connelly</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elaine Connelly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 19:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There cannot be a democratic Islamic State, Islam is the complete opposite of Democracy or a Republic.  Islam is a cult and a really horrific one at that.  Any Muslim can kill his wife, daughter and call it an honor killing.  The women cannot be educated, they cannot  go out in public without a male relative, God forbid they dress in western dress.  There have been quite a few incidences in the United States where a muslim girl talked to an american boy and was tortured to death by her mother, father and siblings.   How in the world can anyone consider Islam a valid religion?  ISLAM IS A MURDEROUS CULT. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There cannot be a democratic Islamic State, Islam is the complete opposite of Democracy or a Republic.  Islam is a cult and a really horrific one at that.  Any Muslim can kill his wife, daughter and call it an honor killing.  The women cannot be educated, they cannot  go out in public without a male relative, God forbid they dress in western dress.  There have been quite a few incidences in the United States where a muslim girl talked to an american boy and was tortured to death by her mother, father and siblings.   How in the world can anyone consider Islam a valid religion?  ISLAM IS A MURDEROUS CULT. </p>
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		<title>By: Sean Porbin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sean Porbin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 19:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The prerequisite to democracy is freedom of speech.  It rests there. Shiria type anti-blasphemy laws entrenches barbarism while limiting the ability to criticize it or vote against it.____Submit this... that Benghazi was all about the narrative of the video and justifying anti-blasphemy laws here in the US.  This would 1) be the same M.O. as Fast &amp; Furious i.e. start with the narrative and build a reality to support it  2) explain why the Egyptian consulate apologized for a video 17 people saw BEFORE the anticipated attack  i.e. planting the narrative.____Democracy fails where free speech fails.  However Mr. Greenfield... compelling as always.____ ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The prerequisite to democracy is freedom of speech.  It rests there. Shiria type anti-blasphemy laws entrenches barbarism while limiting the ability to criticize it or vote against it.____Submit this&#8230; that Benghazi was all about the narrative of the video and justifying anti-blasphemy laws here in the US.  This would 1) be the same M.O. as Fast &amp; Furious i.e. start with the narrative and build a reality to support it  2) explain why the Egyptian consulate apologized for a video 17 people saw BEFORE the anticipated attack  i.e. planting the narrative.____Democracy fails where free speech fails.  However Mr. Greenfield&#8230; compelling as always.____ </p>
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		<title>By: Daryl Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daryl Davis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Daniel, 
 
Your wonderful article stops notably short of laying out a concrete plan to restore this faltering representative democracy. In a rigid two-party polity such as ours, in which the Supreme Court uses the 14th Amendment to abrogate state laws in favor of federal legislation, even fiscally responsible, limited state governments cannot survive. It&#039;s a winner-take-all, dictatorial system emanating from Washington D.C. now. 
 
Is the answer yet to come from Congress? Seriously.  
 
We ought to be rid of the Congress -- divide the nation into its constituent voting precincts, prohibiting any one from imposing a debt upon another. If many precincts wished to proliferate entitlement programs, then they alone would sustain them and live under them.  
 
This is true representative democracy. And true freedom. 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://whatdirectdemocracymightbe.wordpress.com/51-2/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://whatdirectdemocracymightbe.wordpress.com/5...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
Wjr: Spare us the lessons concerning the wisdom of direct democracy based primarily upon the folly of ancient cultures. Shall we also judge the validity of a constitutional parliamentary system based upon the current failure in Iraq&#039;? At least this would confine your weak argument to our modern world. Thoughtful adults are capable of creating better systems than the crude ones that failed in early history. See Switzerland. 
 ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel, </p>
<p>Your wonderful article stops notably short of laying out a concrete plan to restore this faltering representative democracy. In a rigid two-party polity such as ours, in which the Supreme Court uses the 14th Amendment to abrogate state laws in favor of federal legislation, even fiscally responsible, limited state governments cannot survive. It&#039;s a winner-take-all, dictatorial system emanating from Washington D.C. now. </p>
<p>Is the answer yet to come from Congress? Seriously.  </p>
<p>We ought to be rid of the Congress &#8212; divide the nation into its constituent voting precincts, prohibiting any one from imposing a debt upon another. If many precincts wished to proliferate entitlement programs, then they alone would sustain them and live under them.  </p>
<p>This is true representative democracy. And true freedom.<br />
  <a href="http://whatdirectdemocracymightbe.wordpress.com/51-2/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://whatdirectdemocracymightbe.wordpress.com/5" rel="nofollow">http://whatdirectdemocracymightbe.wordpress.com/5</a>&#8230; </p>
<p>Wjr: Spare us the lessons concerning the wisdom of direct democracy based primarily upon the folly of ancient cultures. Shall we also judge the validity of a constitutional parliamentary system based upon the current failure in Iraq&#039;? At least this would confine your weak argument to our modern world. Thoughtful adults are capable of creating better systems than the crude ones that failed in early history. See Switzerland. </p>
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		<title>By: UCSPanther</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[UCSPanther]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There were undoubtedly those who, in the early 1950s thought that Gamal Nasser and his &quot;Free Officers&quot; Junta would bring greater political freedom to Egypt, but instead, the opposite happened.  This is history repeating itself.   
 
The Middle East did not have an effective equivalent of our Magna Carta, the first and ultimately successful attempt to bring about the concept that even a King was subject to the laws of the land and had to respect his subjects&#039; concerns in order to be allowed to rule.  They still do not have any proper law and order, or any of the other conditions that the concept of Western Democracy needed to even stand a chance of getting of the ground as a viable idea. 
 
Until all that changes, Democracy will not exist in the Middle East.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were undoubtedly those who, in the early 1950s thought that Gamal Nasser and his &quot;Free Officers&quot; Junta would bring greater political freedom to Egypt, but instead, the opposite happened.  This is history repeating itself.   </p>
<p>The Middle East did not have an effective equivalent of our Magna Carta, the first and ultimately successful attempt to bring about the concept that even a King was subject to the laws of the land and had to respect his subjects&#039; concerns in order to be allowed to rule.  They still do not have any proper law and order, or any of the other conditions that the concept of Western Democracy needed to even stand a chance of getting of the ground as a viable idea. </p>
<p>Until all that changes, Democracy will not exist in the Middle East.   </p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/with-democracy-for-all-and-freedom-for-none/comment-page-1/#comment-3970385</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Daniel Greenfield is setting new records in writing; no-one else has ever written so many &quot;instant classic&quot; essays as a proportion of their total output; and these essays are full of &quot;quotable quotes&quot;. I can think of no-one else who is so obviously &quot;the next Theodore Dalrymple&quot;; Greenfield deserves a Wikiquote page as soon as possible. 
On the above essay, I recall a memorable pithy assessment by someone whose name I can&#039;t remember: it went: &quot;Democracy, Multiculturalism, Immigration: pick which TWO you want&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Daniel Greenfield is setting new records in writing; no-one else has ever written so many &#8220;instant classic&#8221; essays as a proportion of their total output; and these essays are full of &#8220;quotable quotes&#8221;. I can think of no-one else who is so obviously &#8220;the next Theodore Dalrymple&#8221;; Greenfield deserves a Wikiquote page as soon as possible.<br />
On the above essay, I recall a memorable pithy assessment by someone whose name I can&#8217;t remember: it went: &#8220;Democracy, Multiculturalism, Immigration: pick which TWO you want&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: riverboatbill</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/with-democracy-for-all-and-freedom-for-none/comment-page-1/#comment-3970381</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[riverboatbill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Islamic democracy is an oxymoron. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Islamic democracy is an oxymoron. </p>
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		<title>By: NAHALKIDES</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/with-democracy-for-all-and-freedom-for-none/comment-page-1/#comment-3969790</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NAHALKIDES]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very accurate, spot-on analysis by Greenfield. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very accurate, spot-on analysis by Greenfield. </p>
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		<title>By: Spider</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/with-democracy-for-all-and-freedom-for-none/comment-page-1/#comment-3969645</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spider]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We are successful not because of Democracy but because we ae a Constitutional Republic. All Is-lamic majority countries will use the Qu-ran for their Constitution guaranteeing that they will just become Sharia hell-holes. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are successful not because of Democracy but because we ae a Constitutional Republic. All Is-lamic majority countries will use the Qu-ran for their Constitution guaranteeing that they will just become Sharia hell-holes. </p>
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		<title>By: Fred Glass</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred Glass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even if the author did get his terms &quot;correct&quot; as you suggest. it would not take away from the very profound observations the author has made and which were the substance of his article. 
Fred Glass ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if the author did get his terms &quot;correct&quot; as you suggest. it would not take away from the very profound observations the author has made and which were the substance of his article.<br />
Fred Glass </p>
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		<title>By: Wjr</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wjr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 13:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Daniel, 
You need to get your terms and the concept behind those terms correct. First, the United States is not and has never been a democracy. It is a republic. There is a vast difference. The early Greeks clearly demonstrated that democracy was a disaster due to the demagoguery of powerful rhetoric.  
 
The U.S. has been moving toward the disaster of democracy for many years. This is seen in the rapid swings of public opinion and the effect that this has upon governance.  Indeed the internet is facilitating this movement. 
 
A republic ( from the Latin res publica) limits direct democracy by buffering the transient swings of public sentiment through institutional mechanism. The Romans were strong on laws and tradition. Recall that no Greek is remembered for a code of laws but several Romans are. 
 
The problem with republics is that they do best with monocultures. As long as the Romans were Romans the Republic worked. When Rome became an empire the system broke down and was replaced by an imperial system. 
 
The U.S. republic worked as long as there was a common cultural base -- the old &quot;melting pot&quot; thinking for the relatively common cultures of Europe. We have become like the old Austrio-Hungarian Empire - a melting pot without a fire. Thus a continual diminution of the common culture. We have done this by the choice of a few. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel,<br />
You need to get your terms and the concept behind those terms correct. First, the United States is not and has never been a democracy. It is a republic. There is a vast difference. The early Greeks clearly demonstrated that democracy was a disaster due to the demagoguery of powerful rhetoric.  </p>
<p>The U.S. has been moving toward the disaster of democracy for many years. This is seen in the rapid swings of public opinion and the effect that this has upon governance.  Indeed the internet is facilitating this movement. </p>
<p>A republic ( from the Latin res publica) limits direct democracy by buffering the transient swings of public sentiment through institutional mechanism. The Romans were strong on laws and tradition. Recall that no Greek is remembered for a code of laws but several Romans are. </p>
<p>The problem with republics is that they do best with monocultures. As long as the Romans were Romans the Republic worked. When Rome became an empire the system broke down and was replaced by an imperial system. </p>
<p>The U.S. republic worked as long as there was a common cultural base &#8212; the old &quot;melting pot&quot; thinking for the relatively common cultures of Europe. We have become like the old Austrio-Hungarian Empire &#8211; a melting pot without a fire. Thus a continual diminution of the common culture. We have done this by the choice of a few. </p>
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