Worst School Massacre in US History Did Not Involve Guns

Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam. He is completing a book on the international challenges America faces in the 21st century.


No assault rifles to ban. Just dynamite and pyrotol.

An alarm clock detonates a 500 Lb dynamite and pyrotol bomb that Kehoe had hidden in the north end of the school basement. The explosion lifted part of the building several feet before it collapsed. First-grade teacher Bernice Sterling: “After the first shock I thought for a moment I was blind. When it came the air seemed to be full of children and flying desks and books. Children were tossed high in the air; some were catapulted out of the building.” Volunteer rescuer Monty Ellsworth: “There was a pile of children of about five or six under the roof and some of them had arms sticking out, some had legs, and some just their heads sticking out. They were unrecognizable because they were covered with dust, plaster, and blood. There were not enough of us to move the roof.”

The full total was 45 dead.  The date was 1927. As Milton Wolf points out, “The mainstream media loves the term “school shootings” because it fits into their narrative that law-abiding citizens should be disarmed. By limiting their discussion to shootings, they ignore the worst school massacre in U.S. history which wasn’t a shooting at all.”

  • κατεργάζομαι

    Daniel חג חנוכה שמח save some duck sauce for me.

    Clarice Feldman writes this for American Thinker:
    Newtown: Just Leave Us to Grieve in Peace http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/12/newtown_ju

    ~ We are living examples of the Cloward–Piven strategy
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  • κατεργάζομαι

    A Tale of Two Crèches

    Alinsky Obama Rules:
    RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”
    RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.”
    RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.”
    RULE 12: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

  • Thomas Wells

    If a truck bomb rammed into : "Sitting Duck Elementary School", would Obama's crowd ban trucks,vans,motorcycles,vests…?

  • richard eggleston

    im a firm beleiver in the 2nd. amendment. it makes no sense to disarm honest non killing folks when the criminals will still have acess to guns. as i said b4 guns dont kill people. people kill people/

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "people kill people"

      Yes. People with no respect for the law. If they don't respect the laws against murder, will gun ordinances stop them?

      Don't think too hard. You'll lose your ability to accept leftist delusions. (Not you Richard…)

    • Deep Space

      This is a widely repeated argument and maybe was original 50 years ago. We do ban hand grenades and shoulder launched missiles etc as well as a lot of chemicals that could be used for lethal purposes so its not like we're completely unaware of the evil that could be wrought from things that are out there. I'm not against self-protection, I'm not against hunting, I'm not against sport shooting, I'm not against the second amendment but I find it puzzling how few gun advocates can take one second to reflect on the damage and hell their "right" has produced but would rather recycle tired old cliches and even come up with some new arguments to try and demonstrate to their own satisfaction how "guns don't kill people"

    • ABZ

      It is so easy to take a gun get mad and kill someone. If you want to kill someone with a bomb it takes some knowledge and planning. If you want to use a knife and kill a lot of people you better hope they are asleep and/or much more physically weak than you.

    • Mark

      yup people kill people but in the USA 67.4% of them use guns ….(that's the FBI stat for the number of homicides in 2010 that involved firearms) ….if you want a more rounded view of things (meaning more than just blurting out a catchy phrase) you might want to compare those stats to other western countries …I haven't done a lot of research but here in Australia (and I am by no means suggesting you adopt our laws …it's your country you guys decide) 13% of homicides involved firearms. It's also worth noting that the homicide rate per capita is 4 times higher in the US than it is here (and that is the lowest it's been in the last 10 years in the USA)

      • Kaiulanik

        Yes, we here in the US could take a lesson.
        In 1996, Australia passed tougher gun laws to reduce homicides.
        It worked for you. it could work for the us.

      • Ben Rios

        Quote from opposingviews.com website:
        According to the FBI

  • JOHN GILARDI

    Whats next " SPOONS "
    Imagine the carnage , when " Rosie O'Donald explodes from over eating on New Years eve in New York City in Times Square ! "
    GUNS HAVE NO LIFE OF THERE OWN …………………………….
    ONLY CRAZY PEOPLE DO !
    An armed guard ( with a gun ) or a trained teacher , with a CCW , could have save the lives of all those children , and adults . Calling 911 ( to little to late method can never work ,and never will ) examples: Newtown , Ct . / Forthood , Tx. / Columbine Co. / Oklahoma City ,Ok. / Auroura , Co.

    • Mary Sue

      Rosie is such a freaking hypocrite. Guess who protects her and her children from crazies? MEN WITH GUNS!

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    ~ A Reality Check"

    BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA: THE WORST U.S CONSTITUTIONAL MASSACRE in 200 YEARS!

    Boehner Orchestrating the GOP's Demise……….
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/12/m-boehner_

    FOCUS!

    • Rusty

      Yes, do not lose focus ~A Reality Check is going to have to be necessary week to week. There are more killings by institutional means and methods than by guns alone. Administrative Evil would kill many more if it were not for arms statistics that claim more hand guns are in private American hands than the entire Chinese and Indian armies combined. At the same time the UN wants to shut that annoying obstruction, the Obama administration is allegdly now the largest national arms dealer in history. That might make Benghazi worth keeping out of the public eye, or even that Fast and Furious is even more likely to expose double dealing.

    • Rusty

      Hugh Hewitt.com/blog Sunday, December 16, 2012

      The awful slaughter in Newtown has of course absorbed the attention of America, but when they look up they will likely find that Egypt has been lost for generations to hard-line Islamists via a “constitution” that empowers Sharia and slices the rights of the Copts and secularists to bits. The president and Secretary of State Clinton did nothing to prevent this, and the “new Egypt” is half of their triple legacy, along with a nuclear Iran and a bleeding Syria en route to becoming another Islamist theocracy.

      • κατεργάζομαι

        Rusty, Well articulated and thoughtful comments. Thanks much.

        Regarding the real murder problem(s) in America –

        Every, single day, 1,200 black babies are put to death in abortion facilities, making abortion the leading cause of death among African Americans!

        Moreover, Chicago likes to compare itself to other world cities, so Ward Room thought it would find out how we rank in violence. — Chicago's murder rate is higher even than the Third World metropolises of Mexico City and Sao Paolo.

        Chicago's murder spree of 19.4 per 100,000 is more than three times that of New York's (6 per 100,000) and more than two and a half times of Los Angeles' (7.5 per 100,000), its closest American competitors. Caracas, Venezuela, which apparently is not an Alpha world city–thank you Hugo Chavez–has a higher murder rate of 130 per 100,000. (someone whose political tactics Barack would emulate if he could.)

        Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/07/chica

  • Anonymous

    Just because the worst attack on a school didn’t involve guns, it doesn’t mean that there would have been far fewer killings without them. As for the ‘guns don’t kill, people do’ argument: Those people would be a whole lot less deadly without firearms. A knife or fist can’t be sprayed across a room without a chance to react. Plus, there’s no reason for guns in a modern society. I live in the UK, where guns aren’t commonplace due to their general illegality, and any incident involving an attack using firearms is a real rarity and a shock. And no, I’m not on the political left. I’m right-leaning. Gun control is not a party issue – it’s common sense. What have guns achieved in the last 15 years that makes them worth the lives that they’ve taken in all these massacres since Columbine?

    • Viet Vet

      Well a*s*s*w*i*p*e, you make sure you stay in that p*i*s*s*y little country of yours, with your socialism and low level "freedom", and Neville Chamberlains. Today you will still roll over for every fkg tyrant that comes down the pike, notwithstanding you should have learned that lesson in the 1930s. Oh, and you still haven't returned all the personal weapons Americans sent you in order for you to defend your s*h*i*t*h*o*l*e of a island.

      • Viet Vet

        Come on Frontpage let's quite the fkg censorship. Getting real damn tired of it.

      • ABZ

        Why can't you argue without the name calling? If you have a point try making it like an adult instead of like a school yard bully. With this sort of attitude it is no wonder there is so much violence. Someone disagrees with you and suddenly it's start kicking ass instead of having a rational conversation.

    • Viet Vet

      The U.S. has no end of 'gun control'. It is the most regulated entity and industry in the nation. 40,000 federal gun laws, some 70,000 words in the gun code. Then every state has their gun laws, and places like commiefornia have many more words in their gun codes than the feds. 99% of all the guns in the nation are never used in a crime in any given year (from criminology study). That means that 99% of the guns in this country are in the hands of law-abiding citizens. The very political ideology that has caused the violence problem then wants to regulate the law-abiding. You either have to be detatched from reality, insane or have an ulterior motive. We know that the left wants World Government, and we know that the UN wants our guns for the same reason, so the last, ulterior motive, is probably the biggest reason. Although there are plenty of people in the first two categories. They are what is disdainfully referred to as useful idiots. Low information types.

    • Viet Vet

      We know from criminolgy study and empirical evidence that the 40 U.S. states who have over the years enacted CCW (right to carry) laws, have significanty reduced their crime rates across the board, especially the violent categories. We know from criminology study that where guns in the nation are most prevalent, the crime rate is the lowest. My state for example has, year in and year out, the lowest per capita crime rate in the nation and almost every one in this state has at least one gun. I happen to have 40. A high percentage of the people here hunt, and many carry guns in their vehicles. What we don't have is alot of illegal immigrants or people in the high violence demographic. And probably as importantly, we are a very conservative state.

    • Viet Vet

      Looks like Frontpage has censored the first part of my post. Where I told you to stick your puny little 'low level freedom' island where the sun doesn't shine. I pointed out how you can't wait to roll over for the first tyrant that comes down the pike. Do you have your Neville Chamberlain statues erected all around the country? And you still haven't returned all of the personal weapons U.S. citizens sent to you two-bit socialists to defend your crap of a rock.

      You think you can find it in your cold heart to post this one Frontpage? I did after all leave out the stuff about what I really thought of this disgusting little turd.

      • Viet Vet

        Come on Frontpage, get your heads out of your behinds, I left out all the stuff about what I really thought of this disgusting little t*u*r*d.

        • Viet Vet

          Oh, I remember I did tell him/her/it that they still haven't returned all the personal weapons U.S. citizens sent them to ward off a possible nazi invasion of their puny little rock.

          • ABZ

            Have you thought about attending some anger management classes?

    • Guest

      Do you know that per capita the UK has more gun deaths thanthe united states and guns are banned there? Please explain this?

      • southwood

        Where are you getting this nonsense ? How about some reality ? :

        2011 gun deaths USA – 9 per 100,000. Homicides – 2.98.
        2012 gun deaths UK – 0.25 per 100,000. Homicides – 0.04.

    • Sussex Girl

      Look up Billy Ferry, Tampa Bay, July 1983, and find out what a paranoid schizophrenic can do by throwing a bucket of gasoline across the checkout area of a crowded supermarket and then sparking his lighter.

      • ABZ

        You can cause damage to people with pretty much anything. I think the point is how quickly you can kill large numbers of people with a gun. Most other methods take more time and generally more planning. Doesn't take much planning to kill with a gun, simply pull the trigger.

        • Yusck

          On May 18, 1927, 55-year-old farmer and school board member Andrew Kehoe dynamited the new consolidated school in Bath, Michigan. When the dust settled, 45 people—mostly children—were dead, and many more were injured. Before the day was over, Kehoe also killed his wife and destroyed his farm, animals and crops. He then killed himself and the school superintendent with a suicide car bomb.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      " Those people would be a whole lot less deadly without firearms."

      Laws that limit firearms limit the law-abiding people far more than those laws would limit those that use them criminally. Care to comment on that reality? I didn't think so.

      "I live in the UK, where guns aren't commonplace due to their general illegality, and any incident involving an attack using firearms is a real rarity and a shock."

      Most people in the USA never witness gun violence. The news reporting makes it seem viral here. Get real. The USA is subject to so much discussion about it because of political agendas.

      "And no, I'm not on the political left. I'm right-leaning. Gun control is not a party issue – it's common sense."

      You don't know what common sense means.

      "What have guns achieved in the last 15 years that makes them worth the lives that they've taken in all these massacres since Columbine?"

      OK. I give. You're right. We're better off without guns and all weapons. Let's turn the clock back. Until you can do that, don't use that lame argument as an excuse to control people with laws that do nothing about the problem; the criminals themselves. The guns already exist. Get it? You can't control something just because you want to or because it seems like a good idea when emotions are high. If you're so convinced, for rational reasons, why are you presenting your case now? Why not wait till feelings have subsided and return with your rational argument? You don't really have one. You just have this sense that a lot of people agree with your emotional case right now because of current events.

    • Mary Sue

      Most of the regular shootings in the United States take place in jurisdictions where Guns are heavily regulated or outright banned.

    • Common Sense

      I was going to berate you extensively about your illogical reasoning, but you are not worth that much of my time!

    • Tom-R1

      The UK is being flooded with guns from the old Soviet Block. You better open your eyes and count the numbers of police officers in the UK that are now armed.

    • Phuc Yaul

      So what you’re telling us is that if we inact strickter gun laws, this will take all the criminals guns off the streets ? Damn, maybe we ought to make Meth & Heroin illegal too ! !

    • Constitutionalist

      Criminals will always find a way to get guns. Don't take my protection away so they can have all the power. Heroine and cocane are illegal to but guess what…they still are all over our streets. I am a concealed weapon permit holder and have grown up around guns. If more people carried these guys would think twice. It was a concealed weapon carrier in Oregon who confronted the shooter before he could do any moe damage. I firearm in the hands of the right person is a mighty deterrent.

      • ABZ

        He shot himself actually. The mall he was at was a no-gun zone. Can you quote the source of where you got this information. I'm curious because it doesn't match eyewitness reports.

    • JJJJJ

      Dude, what about the 20+ people just recently slashed in a Chinese school?

      • AZ

        The people in China were slashed not KILLED. It takes a lot of time to kill 20 people with a knife but with a gun it takes only a few seconds. Why do people seem to ignore this fact?

    • JonJ

      Coming from a disarmed, subjugated British person who doesn't understand what it means to live in a free society where the people run the country, not dictators or monarchs soaking welfare money from the Nation, I can see how you came to this faulty conclusion. The Second Amendment was put in the place to protect, or allow us to protect ourselves, from Tyranny. And that's from the Tyranny of Government, not just criminals who may intend to do us harm. Go your way, pacifist. You are sheep now,

      • Ren

        Let me know how well that goes when you pick up rifles and hand guns against tyranny when tyranny is armed with tanks, planes, warships, drones, and laser guided missiles.

    • An American Patriot

      What makes guns worthwhile is all the lives they save! Here in the USA guns stop about 2.5 million crimes each year. A car can be used to kill many individuals in a very short time but no one is calling for a ban on cars. Twenty two children stabbed in the most recent school attack in China yet no one calls for a ban on knives! The problem is that too many people have an irrational fear of guns. It is how society treats one another that needs to be corrected. Taking away guns will only force these people to use other weapons such as knives, bombs, cars, trucks, Molotov cocktails, etc.!

      • ABZ

        It is very easy to kill with a gun, just pull the trigger. It takes a bit more planning to kill with a bomb etc. Also with a knife it takes quite awhile to kill 20 people while with a gun it only takes seconds.

        • VHutch

          More people killed in traffic accidents every year… so I guess we need to ban cars, vans, etc. huh? Again, it's not the car, it's bad choices/decisions/mistakes on the part of people! Americans are obese and overweight (a good number, so studies show) … so hey ban food!! Again, it's peoples' decisions NOT food (of course the government IS trying to regulate consumption but that's another topic).

          • Ren

            Automobiles were made for the sole purpose of transportation not killing. Food is consumed for the purpose of nourishment not for the purpose of making you fat. However, guns were made for the sole purpose of killing your target in an efficient manner. Stop making stupid arguments. Its people like you who we don't want owning guns.

    • Jack pimsleur

      Gun-control advocates fail look at criminal statistics showing criime percentage without gun-control versus with gun control.
      Stringent gun control laws only guarantees law-abiding citizens won't have guns to defend themselves.

    • Ben Rios

      After the 1997 shooting of 16 kids in Dunblane, England, the United Kingdom passed one of the strictest gun-control laws in the world, banning its citizens from owning almost all types of handguns. Britain seemed to get safer by the minute, as 162,000 newly-illegal firearms were forked over to British officials by law-abiding citizens.

      But this didn't decrease the amount of gun-related crime in the U.K. In fact, gun-related crime has nearly doubled in the U.K. since the ban was enacted.

    • Greg

      Tell that to the 22 children slashed in a China elementary school shortly after Sandy Hook happened.

    • oldtimer

      Well you must admit the roalty in the UK do still have guns,and I haven' seen them going around shooting people. And if you will check your history you might find those awful Americans with guns
      have helped your people out on more than one occasion. So why not just be concerned with your own, and leave ours alone.

  • http://twitter.com/Daniel_Luzer @Daniel_Luzer

    No one's arguing that strict gun control would prevent all incidents of public massacres, but come on, we've had 16 massacres this year alone, all involving guns. This one anecdote (an event that took place during the Coolidge administration) indicates nothing.

    • Mary Sue

      Strict gun control wouldn't prevent ANY of it.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "This one anecdote (an event that took place during the Coolidge administration) indicates nothing."

      Is it possible to kill lots of people without guns? Is it possible that guns are not the central factor when someone sets out to murder? It depends on who you ask. If you ask emotional, delusional leftists, the central problem is lack of enough government control. This is the same government that has zero respect for a single word of the US constitution. The government is supposed to be limited by the constitution. I have far more concern about the federal government at this point than I do about any other criminal entity who might be in theory better controlled by handing over more control of guns to the US government.

      Is that difficult to understand when you're weeping and moaning on cue? My gut reaction (years ago as a youth) to gun control advocates were that they were of course right. Then I grew up and paid attention to my responsibility to research positions before advocating them. Gun control advocates are silly dupes with no ability to process anything that goes counter to their emotionally derived positions.

    • RedWhiteAndJew

      These recent massacres occurred in locations where the carrying of a gun was prohibited.

      Gun laws, indeed any laws, only influence those who obey the law. Consequently, passing laws against possessing guns, would only disarm those who would be disinclined to use them to commit and illegal act, anyway.

      It's simple, really.

    • claygiffn

      Violent crime is down over the last 20 years, guns sales are way up, are they connected?

    • Eagle turner

      Wow. Common sense. Nuance. Logic. Like a rare bird spotting

  • Sheri

    Where did this happen?

    • Donna

      Bath township, Michigan. According to my father, it was not widely reported because they knew this was not a national newsworthy event. They knew that to make this a big news item would sensationalize, dramatize and glorify it. It is pointless and potentially harmful since it can motivate others with mental illness issues to “one-up” the previous horror. My heart goes out to all who have mental illnesses and their loved ones; they need help!! I hope everyone gets the help they need before this ever happens again. I wish the media would regain their moral compass on issues such as this.

      • Shawna

        You've nailed it. Best comment on the whole nasty business

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "I wish the media would regain their moral compass on issues such as this."

        Any objective moral compass would be helpful.

  • Viet Vet

    Fear a politician, political party or government, that fears an armed citizenry.

    Since we know from countless criminology studies that 99% of the guns in the nation are in the hands of law-abiding citizens, who use those guns 2 million times each year to kill or drive off a criminal attacker, then we know that the gun banners have ulterior motives. Notice that almost all of these tragic occurrences happen in 'gun-free' zones. Coupled with the knowledge noted in the previous sentence, it is not rocket science. Common sense and logic has unfortunately been trumped with leftist emotion, hysteria, bad science and agenda.

  • southwood

    "Worst School Massacre in US History Did Not Involve Guns". So this proves what ? How many school massacres involved explosives compared to those involving guns?

    • Mary Sue

      Columbine also involved explosives, if you'll recall.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "Worst School Massacre in US History Did Not Involve Guns". So this proves what ? How many school massacres involved explosives compared to those involving guns?

      You don't need guns if you want to kill people.

      • southwood

        "You don't need guns if you want to kill people."

        No, but they are certainly a very convenient way of carrying out a mass killing, more so than knives or crossbows. Which is why so many psychopaths choose them.

        If Lanza's mother hadn't been able to legitimately purchase all those firearms just for fun (she was an avid gun collector ) and take her somewhat psychotic son to gun training then he would have found it rather less convenient to go and murder 26 people.

        BTW tell me how it is that the US with the highest gun ownership in the world has so many of these mass slaughters without there being anyone there with a gun to take out the perpetrator in these instances.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "No, but they are certainly a very convenient way of carrying out a mass killing, more so than knives or crossbows. Which is why so many psychopaths choose them. "

          Probably true.

          "If Lanza's mother hadn't been able to legitimately purchase all those firearms just for fun (she was an avid gun collector ) and take her somewhat psychotic son to gun training then he would have found it rather less convenient to go and murder 26 people. "

          Like gasoline maybe, or something else eh? Swords, poison-laced bombs, the possibilities are endless when you think about it. But then, you clearly didn't.

          I would have felt so much better to know he didn't have it *that* easy when he hatched his plan. It's all that matters really. Is that your argument?

          "BTW tell me how it is that the US with the highest gun ownership in the world has so many of these mass slaughters without there being anyone there with a gun to take out the perpetrator in these instances."

          Too much gun control, and political correctness police running around focusing on the wrong issues. But we already explained that many times. Why do you keep asking?

          • southwood

            "Like gasoline maybe, or something else eh? Swords, poison-laced bombs, the possibilities are endless when you think about it. But then, you clearly didn't."

            Oh, so the guy is likely to think of slaughtering those he has a grudge against when he's filling his tank ? As for swords, oh, so he can go round killing 26 people with a sword and no one would intervene ? Get real. A guy with a sword could be disarmed far more easily than a guy with a gun. The statistics speak for themselves (objectivefactsmatter, eh ?) : Virtually all these mass slayings are carried out with guns. Convicted felons will go out of their way to acquire guns illegally rather than use legally acquired gasoline or make up bombs.

            "Too much gun control, and political correctness police running around focusing on the wrong issues. But we already explained that many times. Why do you keep asking?"

            88% of Americans own guns according to statistics, so where's the excessive gun control ?

          • ABZ

            It is so easy to take a gun get mad and kill someone. If you want to kill someone with a bomb it takes some knowledge and planning. If you want to use a knife and kill a lot of people you better hope they are asleep and/or much more physically weak than you.

            I'm guessing that if his mother didn't have guns in the house this may not have happened. He might have gotten pissed and drove his car into a tree or maybe even into someone else's car but certainly wouldn't have killed 20 first graders.

        • Lucia

          Criminals don't kill people only because it is easy and "convenient" , and if you think they would stop merely because you make it inconvenient, then you're a fool.

          • southwood

            "Criminals don't kill people only because it is easy and "convenient" ".

            I agree. But why have any gun control if psychos are not going to stop killing anyway ? Something to do with making it less easy for them to do so, making it a wee bit less, er, convenient, perhaps ?

          • ABZ

            You're right but if you want to kill someone you're going to look for the easiest fastest way to do it. Allowing easy access to guns makes it really easy for someone who is going to kill kill large numbers of people quickly. I'd rather a criminal kill one person instead of 26. Maybe you don't agree.

            And in this case I'd guess, and yes it is only a guess, that this was a rash and not planned out action on the killer's part.

        • VHutch

          No really…tell me you are not asking why with all the gun ownership there was no one there with a gun to take out the perpetrator!!! Really?

          I'll use short words for you so you can understand. Guns are banned, or illegal in these areas!! A school is an absolute NO GUN ZONE. A mall is also a NO GUN ZONE. The theater was a NO GUN ZONE! Gee those laws really worked didn't they? Hmmmm? So again, law abiding citizens obey the law (they don't have guns) but the criminals do not obey the law (they brought their guns despite the law).

          The government is regulating and controlling the wrong thing. Guns are not evil…people are!

          • southwood

            Look, I am not American. In my country (UK) we have gun control. We also have a far lower incidence of gun crime than the USA. It seems to me that dangerous psychos and guns are a lethal mix. Check out the guy who recently went on the rampage in China. He had a knife. 22 people were stabbed. No one, thankfully, died. Had that psycho had a gun I would imagine many would be dead.

          • Ben Rios

            Yes and I'm sure he was stopped with harsh language. You think?

        • Ben Rios

          Hmmm, let's see, Oh yeah those areas where they took place were supposed to be gun free zones. And if you do some research you will find that mainstream media does not report those stories where someone has stopped a killing spree with the use of a gun.

    • Phuc Yaul

      Using your logic; Thats like saying how many people are killed riding a horse, compared to those driving a car ! Maybe we should ban all vehicles, and everyone ride horses !

      • ABZ

        Nope not the same thing. We aren't talking about accidents we are talking about people with intent to murder others. Some weapons make it harder and slow to kill large numbers of people and some weapons (like guns) make it really easy.

        The terrorists used an airplane to kill thousands and therefore we changed what is allowed on planes . This is a form of control is it not? How is it different from gun control?

    • Trimelda McDaniels

      I would like to ask the people who equate the need for gun control as a way to protect our children from school shootings the following question:

      If the possession of handguns is the reason for these horrors, then why is it in my old neighborhood, a ghetto in Chicago, with all the guns we have-about two to three in every household-NONE of those guns have been used to deliberately mow down little kids in a classroom?

      You might argue that the guns are used in drug deals, drive bys, robberies, rapes. Yes. that's true. BUT as bad and wicked as the gang bangers might be-NONE of them with all of their guns have walked into a ghetto classroom to murder innocent children. Why? There are Asian gangs with guns, yet they don't walk into schools and shoot kids. Why? Latino gangs don't murder classrooms of children. Neither do red necks. How many Larry the Cableguy types run around shooting down little children?

      NONE

      Why? If it's all about guns, then why aren't deranged Black, Asian, Latino, and poor white people doing this?

      • Ben Rios

        Excellent point! FBI stats showed 4% decrease in violent crime in 2011 when gun ownership had increased. I grew up in the South Bronx of NY and I never heard about anyone shooting up a school there and I know there was gun owners around.

  • K. Silem Mohammad

    This is why I am also a firm believer in bomb control.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "This is why I am also a firm believer in bomb control."

      Guns and bombs are each controlled already according to various laws. The question is how much control is useful and helpful? Where do we go from here based on reality, not delusion and emotional rhetoric.

      • J.S.

        I think Mr. Mo 's comment was intended as a hilarious joke.

  • Arlie

    It sure is good to have protection in a surprise emergency.
    http://www.youtube.com/sultanknish Israeli Driver vs Arab Muslim carjacker

    Like this video!

  • Arlie

    A great music video on you tube: Madison Rising – Right to bear

  • Andy

    To be fair in regards to the weapons used. You do now have to have a federal license to buy or possess dynamite.

  • mister natural

    the whole neighborhood knew the mom was a gun enthusiast
    everyone in the neighborhood knew this kid was a psycho ticking time bomb
    sounds like the neighbors knew mom took nutso to the shooting range
    the town school officials knew the kid was a lunatic
    but nothing was done, no one did nothing, no how
    what we have here is failure to communicate

    • Deep Space

      Talk about shifting the blame. Have you seen a satellite view of their neighborhood? And according to some accounts many neighbors hardly, if ever, saw the boy. BTW, do you snoop in your neighborhood like you are suggesting should've been done in this case?

    • ABZ

      From many news reports I saw (including an interview with his aunt) many people didn't know his behavior was so bad.

      I also find it strange how people are so against gun control but think something should have been done with this kid. He had no criminal record and unless you threaten to kill someone or yourself they can't lock you up against your will. So, and this is a serious questions, what do you think someone should have specifically done in this case?

    • ABZ

      From many news reports I saw (including an interview with his aunt) many people didn't know his behavior was so bad.

      I also find it strange how people are so against gun control but think something should have been done with this kid. He had no criminal record and unless you threaten to kill someone or yourself they can't lock you up against your will. So, and this is a serious questions, what do you think someone should have specifically done in this case?

  • Watchful

    Norway has strict gun control laws. That didn't prevent the nutcase Brevik from obtaining guns to murder 88 young people.

    People who want to massacre children will find a means.

    Lefties want all the law-abiding citizens to be disarmed–then only the criminals will have guns. Criminals will always find a way to obtain them.

    So many people have guns in this country that the government would have to send the military in a house-to-house search to disarm citizens who feel strongly about their 2nd amendmen rights? Is this what you leftists really want? Are you crazy?

    • ABZ

      True it didn't prevent the one incident but how many other incidence never came to fruition due to their gun control laws?

    • ABZ

      From many news reports I saw (including an interview with his aunt) many people didn't know his behavior was so bad.

  • rebe

    let's see hmm U S government in the 20's outlawed booze called proabition..that worked really good right? Oh and what about when the U S declared war on drugs…that has ben wiped out right? Neither of thes3e worked and they were and are completely run by criminals…let the government outlaw guns..it will be taken over by more criminals just like our history has always done…won't accomplish anything except make law abiding citizens look like criminals because they want protection

  • Sean

    After this attack we are no longer allowed to buy dynamite at the local hardware store and there have been no repeats of this type of attack. We restrict and monitor the access to fertilizer used in Oklahoma city and there have been no repeats. We search aircraft passengers and there have been no repeats of 9-11. It is time we follow our societies example and take steps to control guns, as they are the most frequently used tools to kill people in large number.

    • tagalog

      Well, there's that pesky Second Amendment that gets in the way of your proposal.

      Can you help me out and untangle for me what it means to "follow our societies (sic) example and take steps to control guns…" I can't quite get that remark straight.

    • Phuc Yaul

      So you're saying that if we create more gun laws, this will take the guns out of the hands of criminals, and off the streets ? Maybe we should outlaw Meth & Heroin too ! !

  • George

    they tried gun control before – i think it was called NAZI GERMANY – care to repeat

    • ABZ

      Gun control didn't create the Nazi's. Hilter was put into government through an election. He was elected by the people of Germany.

  • Dan Wiziarde

    We have the ability to make doors that open only from the inside so no one can get in and no one is trapped inside. We have the ability to mount closed circuit cameras to monitor entry ways. We have the ability to unlock doors remotely to allow people to pass without having to jump up to go open the door. So why weren't all of these combined to prevent this from happening at Sandy Hook or any other school since Columbine? The cost per school would be miniscule in comparison to gun control and no ones rights would have to be violated.

  • dyno4all

    i agree with this article. dynamite does not kill people, people kill people. lets start lobbying for no background checks or any restrictions on the purchase of dynamite.

  • B.C.

    As tragic as the shooting is I don't understand why we are surprised it happens. The world will focus on gun control but I ask how can you expect respect for authority when you take the ultimate authority out of the equation? We are moving towards a Godless culture starting with our schools. We train our kids to believe there is no God, why should they believe they will have to stand before a just God to be judged for ALL there actions? I believe killing a pre-born child is as bad of killing one that is a few years old. A medical device in the hands of a doctor who has no respect for life is just as deadly as an automatic weapon in the hands of anyone else who has no respect for Gods creation. If there is a God he will not be mocked if there is no God then do what you want because there is no ultimate punishment. If you don't like the hand you have been dealt just kill yourself. (Sodom and Gomorra would have survived if God could find just 10 righteous men. How many will it take for America?)