What Is Right About Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer

Eric Allen Bell is a filmmaker, columnist and counter-jihad activist.  He was banned from the liberal-progressive Daily Kos for writing 3 articles about Islam which ran afoul of the politically-correct mindset there.  He is director of both Global Infidel TV and Mosque Confidential and is currently in production on a documentary feature titled “American Infidel.”  You can read more about Bell’s conversion story in “The High Price of Telling the Truth about Islam.”  Visit him on Facebook at www.Facebook.com/EricAllenBell or go to www.EricAllenBell.com.


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[Editor's note: The article below is written by Eric Allen Bell, a filmmaker who was recently banned from blogging at  the “Daily Kos” because he wrote three articles that ran afoul of the mindset there, specifically naming “Loonwatch.com” as a “terrorist spin control network.” Don't miss Eric Bell on Frontpage's television program, The Glazov Gang. Visit his Facebook page: http://www.Facebook.com/EricAllenBell.]

I write this mainly for the benefit of so many of my Liberal friends.  I know you have good hearts, but have been badly deceived by your peers and leaders when it comes to the threat of Jihad, and the character of those few brave individuals, who have had the courage to risk everything, to stand up for liberty and human rights…

BACKGROUND:

In the summer of 2010 I was invited to write an article for Michael Moore.  I was in production on a documentary I was calling “Not Welcome” regarding the backlash against construction of a 53,000 square foot mega mosque in the middle of the American Bible Belt.  His endorsement gave me a huge boost with the Hollywood crowd.  Having worked in the entertainment industry for years, this was not my first film, but it was to be my first documentary.  So when I went on to write a few more articles for MichaelMoore.com the wheels were greased for me to get into a room with the right people, and secure the finishing funds I needed to complete post production.  And if there is one thing Hollywood loves (almost as much as congratulating itself), it’s the story of an innocent minority group being wrongly persecuted, preferably in the South, especially if the antagonist happens to be the Religious Right.  And as my editor and I assembled the first 25 minutes, of the 300 hours of footage shot, this film promised to deliver just that.  “Wow, I really wasn’t expecting this.  I would like to thank the members of the Academy, Michael Moore and the Prophet Mohammed for making all of this possible…” 

But then the winds changed direction.  It seems that fate had issued a Fatwa against my perfect plan.  The Arab Spring sprang into action and ruined everything, as it degenerated disappointingly into the Islamist Winter.  It was as if I had been slapped upside the head by reality, thus knocking off my blinders and causing me to ask a lot of inconvenient questions.  I was left wondering if there was perhaps more to the story of so-called “revolution” than what had been portrayed on Al Jazeera and “Democracy Now with Amy Goodman”.  You can read more about this in an article I wrote for Front Page Magazine here: “The High Price of Telling the Truth About Islam”.

I took a second and more critical look inside Islamic scripture, comparing and contrasting the countless acts of Islamic terrorism, with specific commands to carry out these violent and barbaric attacks on innocent infidels as ordered in the Koran, the Hadith, and the Sunnah.  And after much difficult soul searching I had realized I was making more than just a documentary.  I was making a terrible mistake.   So I went back to my backers and told them how I had changed the outline of the documentary, to include a critical examination of the violent dimension that informed so much of the Islamic world today, and throughout history, and how desperately this story needed to be told, and I consequently lost the backing to my film.

As a writer who had written over a hundred articles for The Daily Kos, a liberal blog which receives about a million visitors a day, I wrote 3 articles outlining what I had learned about Islam, it’s execution of homosexuals and how hundreds of millions of women around the world were living under Islamic gender apartheid.  I called attention to this as a human rights issue, human rights being in theory a big concern among Liberal audiences.  The warm reception that followed included being labeled a “bigot” a “right winger” and an “Islamophobe” in the hundreds of subsequent reader comments, demanding that my “hate speech” be banned.  And after that the Islamophobia watchdog site, Loonwatch.com created a link for readers to write directly to the editors of DKOS, demanding my voice be silenced.  And I was immediately banned from ever writing for The Daily Kos.

In the weeks that passed I received many “goodbye” texts and emails from friends letting me know that we were no longer friends.  I saw my name get smeared in print – lies, misquotes, distortions, character assassination.  Loonwatch.com named me the “Loon At Large”

(UPDATE: Since appearing on the Michael Coren show and telling my story about how Loonwatch put my name out on the street in the Islamic world, Loonwatch has since pulled that article from their site.  Thank you very much Michael Coren!).

My friend count on Facebook took a hit.  My blog, which has had over 23 million visitors and  usually receives at least a million visitors per month, got hacked over and over for weeks before my traffic rebounded.   And, many of my subscribers left the site, telling me that I was “spreading intolerance and ignorance”.  On donations and ad revenue I took a massive financial hit.  For so many who had known me for so long, I had become nothing more than an “intolerant hate monger”

PAMELA GELLER:

In the process of defending myself from all of these accusations, in a desperate attempt to distance myself from those names that had become synonymous with “Islamophobia” at least in my circle, I made critical remarks about Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller – comments meant to distinguish myself from the real “hate mongers” but comments that turned out to be uninformed and just simply just not true.  I thought they were true at the time.  But having only recently sipped from the well of knowledge, I had not yet flushed all of the Kool Aid out of my system.

For example, in a Daily Kos piece (before my excommunication for blasphemy) I wrongly lumped Pamela Geller in with Pastor Terry Jones, a religious zealot who preaches burning the Koran.  A simple YouTube search will yield no shortage of remarks made by Geller, stating she opposes the burning of books, all books, and that furthermore she is not anti-Muslim, does not advocate persecution or hatred of Muslims, and even goes so far as to point out that it is in fact Muslims themselves, who are the biggest victims of Islamic violence.  The number of times she has spoken out for the hundreds of millions of Muslim women, who suffer under gender apartheid alone, is evidence that Pamela Geller is not a hate monger, but rather a fearless advocate for human rights – including the rights of Muslims.

It is amazing, the human capacity for seeing only what we want to see.  And it is especially humbling, I can tell you, when one identifies that unattractive quality within oneself.  But the freedom that comes with trading in your cozy conclusions for difficult questions is well worth the cost.  Everything is up for grabs.  You evolve.

In taking the time to really get to know who Pamela Geller is and what she has done to earn this sensational media status, as some sort of evil hate monger, this intolerant fanatic who opposes religious freedom, I finally did some long overdue research of my own.  And soon after simply scratching the surface, it was immediately clear that the bold stance Pamela Geller took publicly against the Ground Zero Mosque was absolutely right.  Spot on, in fact damned near clairvoyant.

This shameless shrine, this 13 story Islamic gloating tower was to be financed with $100 million from the “Cordoba Initiative” an organization with very questionable ties to Jihadi interests – to be ran by Imam Raouf and promoted by his wife Daisy Khan (pronounced “Con”).

Cordoba, by the way was at one time the capital of an Islamic Caliphate and the city where Muslims had converted a Cordoba church into the third largest mosque in the world – an inconvenient truth that those of us in the Liberal world were told was simply misunderstood.  But when the spin doctors at CAIR failed to convince the skeptics, this mysterious $100 million Islamic fund rebranded the name of the victory mosque, to simply “Park 51”.  It kind of sounds like an exclusive night club from the seventies, except without the liquor or cocaine, and where the women must throw a sheet over their heads and keep their mouths shut.

No matter how the Cordoba Initiative tried to spin this story, Pamela Geller kept on insisting this was a mosque.  According to press releases parroted by left leaning media outlets, “Park 51” was more like a YMCA, where old people could play bingo or shuffle board or whatever they do.  There would be Mommy and Me classes and the center just happened to have a prayer room on the top two floors for Muslims to pray.  (also known as a mosque).  Never mind that this mosque would overlook the site of the collapsed World Trade Center, where thousands of innocent people lost their lives after Islamic terrorists struck on 9/11.  And never mind that construction of a mosque this close to Ground Zero was perfectly consistent with 1,400 years of Islamic conquest.  This was to be a victory mosque the whole family could enjoy.  And if you don’t like it, then you’re a racist and a bigot and a right wing Islamophobe.  Did I mention that the new facility was designed to “bring the whole community together”?

As an advocate for cultural sensitivity for the American people (we could use more of those), Pamela Geller gave numerous television interviews.  She was hammered and grilled mercilessly as an intolerant fanatic by a highly biased media, but she did not back down.  She kept her cool and she stuck to the facts.  For instance, fragments of a hijacked airliner had reportedly landed on the Burlington Coat Factory (the piece of Ground Zero real estate which was swooped up using questionable sources, to become the Victory Mosque).  She asserted that the proposed site was in fact sacred ground, a war memorial, and not at all an appropriate place to build a $100 million “shrine to the very ideology that inspired the attacks of 9/11”.

I used to think that this was too broad a statement to make.  I used to think that connecting Islam to 9/11 was somehow unfair.  I used to not think, and think that I was thinking.  And it seems for many of us Gen X’ers “educated” in government run schools, this type of not thinking was how we were taught to think.  And the institutions of “education” told us that this type of not thinking was called “tolerance”.  Applied evenly, one could learn to tolerate Communism, Nazism or even the President of Iran.   See Oliver Stone’s son and recent convert to Shia Islam as Exhibit “A”.

So why did Pamela Geller call Islam an “Ideology” and not a religion?  Perhaps this was because Islam is only a small part religion.  In large part Islam is a tyrannical political system, and very much a barbaric legal system (the Sharia) practiced by hundreds of millions of Muslims in Islamic countries around the world and growing.  And all three components go together to form what is known as “Islam” the so-called “religion of peace”.   And yet so many in the mainstream media twisted Ms. Geller’s words to make it sound as if she were a crackpot, who actually thought that a mosque was going to be built on the site of the actual Twin Towers, while ignoring her valid points, or else cutting her off before she could finish making a valid point.  And this is what so many of us wanted to believe, what we needed to believe – because the alternative meant that maybe she was right, and this went against a culture that raised us to believe all belief systems are of equal value and must be respected equally because anything less was unfair.

A huge portion of American culture is dominated by a naïve and usually well-intentioned view – that one must always side with the perceived victim in any conflict.  And terrorist-linked organizations such as the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) have done a masterful job of manipulating this predisposition in painting a picture of Islam in America as the victim.  Never mind the fact that Islam itself is perhaps the greatest victimizer in the world today.  The perception that Islam is the underdog in America has allowed CAIR to bully and infiltrate the media, either by calling them out whenever they feel that Islam has been slighted or, more recently, creating an atmosphere where media outlets such as the New York Times are voluntarily censoring themselves.

For a religion that is so easily offended by the simplest slight, such as drawing a cartoon or burning a book, one would hope that a Muslim cleric with a hundred million dollars behind him could find another location – one that does not offend millions of Americans.  And this was a point that Pamela Geller never backed down from, even though she knew that she could be risking her life.

ROBERT SPENCER:

There were two defining incidents that caused me to eventually do a full 180 on my views concerning Islam as a mostly peaceful religion with a few bad apples.  The first one I have already mentioned in “The High Cost of Telling the Truth About Islam”.  Briefly:

“I flew back to Nashville to shoot a conference on whether or not Islam was conducive with Democratic Values and on the way to my hotel room I learned that my cab driver was from Egypt.  I asked him how he felt about the fall of Mubarak, a dictator worth over $70 billion dollars while so much of his country was living in poverty and he told me he was concerned.  Concerned?  Wasn’t this good news?  The cab driver was a Coptic Christian and he told me that he feared for his family back home.  “If the Muslims take control, and they will, it will be very dangerous for my parents and my sisters.  I’m scared for them right now”.  After that conversation, I started to pay more attention to the news coming from the Islamic world in the Middle East. Over the coming months I watched as the Muslim Brotherhood gained political power in Egypt.  I saw that cab driver’s worst fears come true as Coptic Christians were attacked by Islamic mobs.  I saw Tunisia institute Sharia, the brutal Islamic Law.  After Libya fell, the Transitional Council also instituted Islamic Law.  The nuclear armed Islamic government of Pakistan arrested and punished those who cooperated with the United States in killing Osama Bin Laden.  A woman under the Islamic government of Afghanistan faced execution for the crime of being raped.  Similar news stories emerged from Iran.  A man who typed “there is no god” as his Facebook status in Indonesia, the largest Islamic country in the world, was arrested for blasphemy.”

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  • Amused

    What is right about Spencer and Geller ? Robert Spencer of course . Geller's got a screw loose , and diminishes Spencers message . Spencer needs to cut her loose , her break from reality to abject over-the-top paranoia , endangers Spencers extremely important message .

    • http://www.jihadwatch.org Robert Spencer

      I hope one day you follow Eric Allen Bell's example and take a measured and unbiased look at Ms. Geller's work. I have found no one else with her ability to frame the issues and put the Islamic supremacists on the defensive. She works heroically at great personal cost; your criticism is baseless and unwarranted.

    • NorthStar

      Nice concern trolling Amused. Don't pretend you support Robert Spencer.

      • americanadvocate

        THIS ' ASSCLOWN ' ( PAMELA ' S WORD ) IS TO BE TOTALLY IGNORED AND NOT EVEN CONSIDERED TO BE A HUMAN . THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER GREAT LADIES WHO EXPOSE THE TRUTH ABOUT THE TERROR , ' DIS ' HONOR MURDERS , DESTRUCTION , AND THE MUTILATION OF YOUNG GIRLS .
        BRIGITTE GABRIEL OF ' ACT FOR AMERICA ' , NANCY KENNON OF ' FAMILY SECURITY MATTERS ', AND THE MEN ~ GEERT WILDERS OF THE NETHERLANDS , TOM TRENTO OF ' UNITED WEST ' , COLONEL ALLEN WEST ~ WAR HERO , JOHN BOLTON ~ FORMER AMBASSADOR TO U.N. , AND REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT ~ NEWT GINGRICH , WHO PLEDGES TO BAN SHARIA .

    • intrcptr2

      Might I second Robert's plea here, and hope that you take a measured and unbiased look at pretty much everything you believe… nearly all of your posts here are baseless and unwarranted.

    • aspacia

      ad hom is not valid. Exactly, what is her "over the top paranoia?"

    • americanadvocate

      " WE THE PEOPLE " ARE NOT AMUSED AT YOUR IGNORANCE AND STUPIDITY . LADY PAMELA GELLER IS ONE OF SEVERAL WOMEN WHO HAVE RENEWED THE CRUSADE AGAINST MUSLIM VIOLENCE ALL OVER THE WORLD . PAMELA SPREADS NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH OF ISLAMIC TERROR , TAQIYYA , VIOLENCE AND SNEAKY STEALTH JIHAD . WE WHO HAVE MET HER IN PERSON LOVE AND APPRECIATE HER DILIGENCE AND ENERGY TO INFORM US OF THE TRUE ISLAM . WE ARE AMAZED THAT SHE HAS THE SOURCES OF SO MUCH INFORMATION ABOUT MUSLIM TERRORISM , MURDER , AND DESTRUCTION ALL OVER THE WORLD . YOU SHOULD LEARN SOME TRUTH BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR BIG MOUTH AND SHOVE BOTH FEET IN SIDEWAYS .

  • George McCallum

    "Welcome to the fight. This time I know our side will win."

    And I agree that Pam and Robert are great Americans risking it all for us. Fortunately, through their efforts, there are a growing number of Americans who are becoming aware of the danger that is Islam and are becoming more vocal about it. This is a bottom up movement and eventually politicians are going to get on board – some already are. Pam and Robert's influence extends overseas, as well.

    Well written article, Eric. I hope that some of your liberal friends read it and take it to heart.

    • Asher

      Both Robert and Pamela are Freedom Fighters and have went above and beyond to get the information to the people..We need more people out there who are willing to Fight the Good Fight in the face of adversity!

  • Anthony

    I met Ms. Geller. She is of course, a Yenta with a very obvious Woody Allen style, stereotypical Jewish/Brooklyn accent.

    But I also observed her protesting various Moslem issues and she is passionate, loud, and in command of the TRUTH as is regards the rather sad reality of the rise of Islam in the West.

    I also think Robert Spencer is useful, but he believes in the three degrees of depredation theory of Moslem classification, secular, moderate and radical. This in my opinion is false, and allows the false notion that Moslems can enter into the West and as long as they are not “radical”.

    The root of the problem which I wrote Mr Bell, but received no reply is the tragic conquest by liberal thinking maniacs in charge, that multicultural states can survive. They can survive of course, but in a mutated form. In the case of Islam, that form will lead to a reality that is alien to the America, or Europe, or even Constantinople that once existed.

    • http://www.jihadwatch.org Robert Spencer

      I don't know where you get this idea. I have in fact explicitly rejected the use of the term "radical" in regard to Islam, and have on numerous occasions criticized the lazy use of the word "moderate" for Islamic supremacist stealth jihadists. I wrote in my 2008 book "Stealth Jihad" about the need to end Muslim immigration. You must be thinking of someone else.

      • Anthony

        Robert,

        I apologize for over simplifying your position, and thanks for clearing it up — sort of.

        But if on one hand you write time and again, that there is no “moderate” Islam, yet often state that it is up to moderate Moslems to create a moderate Islam, then your position is a tortured one that further confounds the circular logic of the Islam problem.

        To protect from Islam means to separate from Islam and any devote of the prophet and remain seperated in perpetuity. Would you advocate that?

        I don’t wish you to think I don’t think your work is valuable or courageous. You both are, but the reality of the world as it exists today requires you to work under impossible conditions, that is to not offend, insult, hate think, appear fascist, racist or discriminatory, and still shout out that in all possible permutations to the solution to the Islam problem, Islam must be contained in their lands, and removed from ours if we are to avoid the fate of any Moslem hegemonous land.

    • StephenDvd

      > I also think Robert Spencer is useful, but he believes in the three degrees of
      depredation theory of Moslem classification, secular, moderate and radical.

      You clearly have never read any of Spencer's books or spent any significant time at Jihadwatch. Spencer does not in any way espouse this view.

      On the contrary, one point Robert makes repeatedly is that there is no foolproof way of distinguishing between "radical" and other Muslims, until they reveal themselves either via extremist statements within their own communities or violent actions.

  • Mike Elmore

    "Perhaps no Americans understand better the threat of Jihad more than our brave men and women in uniform." Wrong, you'll find that our military has become the biggest bunch of political correct dimmies next to the state department and most of our politicians..elmore

    • http://www.infideltaskforce.com Infidel Task Force

      Mike
      I believe he was speaking about the troops, not th eofficers. I agree with you and the "Mouthpieces" of our amrmed services. The troops are there are the ground, interacting with the people. If anybopdy knows the threat of Jihad , its them.

  • Paul B.

    Superb article. Not only are Spencer and Geller treasures, but it's a treasure to see someone come out of darkness to realize it. It seems that indeed your former liberal views are more and more receding in that rear-view mirror, Eric. What a blessing, and may many follow in the same path.

  • Newspaniard

    The word "islamophobe" is a "shut up" word invented by a terrorist organization, the muslim brotherhood, when it realized that "Racist" could not be used. Ignore or treat with great suspicion anyone who uses this terrorist inspired word to shut you up.

  • BS77

    Thanks to Pam Geller, Robert Spencer, Brigitte Gabriel, Melanie Phillips, Hirsi Ali and many other brave and frank people….who have issued the warnings that were once considered "hysterical over reactions" but are now accepted as reasonable fears about terror and fanaticism common to the hideous ideology. The whole liberal agenda……mass immigration for the sake of "diversity", polyglot language inclusiveness etc etc have had dramatic and deleterious effects on the nations that subscribed to these distorted ideals.

  • LindaRivera

    Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer are huge Free World heroes. They tell the TRUTH and speak out for victims.

    God bless and protect them!

    • randy

      Is this the same god that had her or his people,christians, steal north america from the natives? Good thing that canada bans hate speach.

      • pagegl

        Hey Randy, don't forget Central and South America and Australia. And then, using your logic, why don't you point out how Muslims and their religion stole north Africa, Persia, Indonesia, and are trying to steal Europe (after their first attempt failed).

        Just remember what Bugs said…

      • LindaRivera

        randy,

        Do you not tremble to blaspheme the Almighty God of the Universe? It was the U.S. government that stole Native American land! Governments do WHATEVER they want regardless of the wishes of the people. Huge crowds of European Americans protested in the streets against the tragic and terrible Trail of Tears.

        How dare you blame Almighty God for what the American government did?

        • randy

          So america is not a christian nation. Glad to hear that. Does not make sense to have the natives here for thousands of years just to be almost wiped out and the rest rounded up and put on reserves. Funny though every western i seen had a church in the frontier towns. Maybe your god played a cruel joke on the natives and wanted it to end up this way. Not my type of god. He or she.

      • Western Canadian

        Three suggestionf for you: First, learn to spell. You look like and are a moron. Second, use your real name, abdul. Finally, as a canadian, i suggest you shut the hell up about my country. You either know nothing about it, or live in a bubble where only ignorant people like you live.

        • randy

          Why are any christian religions allowed here with the abuse the native kids suffered at the residential schools. Have to laugh at the new canadian cardinal of the catholicpediphile church.

      • intrcptr2

        That would be the same god that told its people to steal Canada too, you knob.

        So what you're saying is that it's perfectly fine by you if the editors here delete all your mindless comments?

  • MichaelLumish

    Eric,

    congratulations on freeing yourself from ideological Political Correctness.

    I went through something quite similar on Daily Kos.

    Cheers!

    Israel Thrives
    http://karmafishies.blogspot.com/

  • http://www.okcteaparty.org DMW

    Mr. Bell: Bravo!

  • Nakba1948

    Two websites for you cretins, including your latest useful idiot, Mr. Bell: spencerwatch.com, http://www.loonwatch.com

    Spencer and Geller are bigots, through and through. They can couch their bigotry however they like, but they make a living off of stirring up fear and hatred and denigrating an entire religion and its adherents. These two clowns represent to Muslims what David Duke represents to Jews. Think about that.

    • StephenD

      Enlighten us please. What facts can you site? I've many of Mr. Spencers publications as well as Ms. Gellers and see nothing of the sort in them. So again I ask you to back up what you say.

      • stern

        Exactly, SD. Nakba – as you can see from the moniker – is a Palestinian and therefore does not need to cite any facts. He/she only has to scream "I'm a victim" to get the world running to save him/her and point fingers at Israel.

      • aspacia

        FYI, it is cite. Site is a place.

    • Stuart Weinstein

      Actually your Nakba occurred in 1925 when the British handed over Transjordan to the Hashemites But like most Pals, all you know is a fictionalized account of history. Which makes sense. After all, Pals are a fictionalized people to begin with.

    • KarshiKhanabad

      Hang around here on FPM and please don't go away. We "infidels" and "monkeys & apes & pigs" need to know what the enemy is thinking.

    • http://iamiranaware.wordpress.com/ IranAware

      Your a prime example of why there will never be a Pal state,ever

    • Western Canadian

      Something about a raving lunatic like you, smearing two freedom fighters…… Funny?? Not really. Pathetic?? Extremely. Sickening? Profoundly. An example of an enemy of freedom lying through his or her rotten teeth? Absolutely.

    • theleastthreat

      Good grief, is that the best you can do? Worst you can do? Pitiful.

    • traeh

      Nakba1948, we've seen your skinhead racist posts on various websites. You are yourself the worst kind of bigot — a real one — and you even have advocated genocide more than once, and have supported the rape of non-Muslim women. You said women were inferior to men. You're a pig of the first order.

      In Sahih al-Bukhari, the most canonical hadith collection, Muhammad said,"Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him." Various other canonical hadiths attest that Muhammad called for death to those who leave Islam. That's why even today all the schools of Islamic law prescribe death for apostasy from Islam.I recently posted these links to news stories, and also these links to news stories about people being killed for daring to leave Islam. And many, many more such stories have been reported in the global media.

      A December 2010 survey conducted by the Pew Research Center found relatively widespread popular support for death penalty as a punishment for apostasy from Islam: in Egypt (84% of respondents in favor of death penalty), Jordan (86% in favor), Indonesia (30% in favor), Pakistan (76% favor) and Nigeria (51% in favor).

    • NorthStar

      "they make a living off of stirring up fear and hatred"

      You're thinking of Loonwatch

    • intrcptr2

      You guys all missed it; Mr Cat here just showed us something; he doesn't read the articles here, he simply posts based on the title or the author; otherwise he would ahve known that Eric explicitly mentioned both of these websites in his very first post here describing his turn.

      I do apologize, but your analogy can only work if Judaism compares to Islam. And since the Quran breathes out death and threats against the infidel, whereas the TaNaKh holds forth peace, your trite effort to smear Pamela and Robert fails, miserably.

    • aspacia

      ad hom attacks are not valid claims. Do you have valid claim to offer? I doubt it. Refute their claim and not attack their character to gain credibility. At the moment, you have zero credibility.

      Currently, most attacks against civilians stems from Muslims, your brethren.

      Now, try to refute the claim and not my character.

    • curmudgeon

      "bigot" is a very useful term. when a reasonable reader sees someone use the term "bigot" to describe someone he hates, you can be sure that it is the one who uses the term that is one.

    • Suzie

      Looking at Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia where Jews, Christians, and Pagans lived and worshiped before Mohammad lived in the 600s and what Islamization has done to ruin Saudi Arabia (no nonSunni Muslims are allowed to become citizens, women can't drive cars, women dress in those horrible, scary, unfashionable, hot, black outfits), actually looking at any Islamic country today I have to say I find Islam to be horrible. I love Muslims, I love all people, but I find Islam a major turn off. Sorry. Again, I love Muslims, I love all people, but I find Islam to be a super big turn off. We can agree to disagree…but big ish for Islam!

  • Jeff W

    Eric Allen Bell (if that is your real name) is a shill, pimping himself and his new found lack of morals to finance his "b" movie production career. He found solace in the arms of David Horowitz and parrots everything Horowitz and his minions instruct Bell to. As far as http://www.loonwatch.com erasing their critique of you Bell, well that is a lie! A lie that you keep repeating although the proof otherwise is right here: http://www.loonwatch.com/tag/eric-allen-bell/. Kudos to Danios and the LoonWatch writers who aren't afraid of telling the truth about tools such as EAB

  • LindaRivera

    randy,

    Do you not tremble to blaspheme the Almighty God of the Universe? It was the U.S. government that stole Native American land! Governments do WHATEVER they want regardless of the wishes of the people. Huge crowds of European Americans protested in the streets against the tragic and terrible Trail of Tears.

    How dare you blame Almighty God for what the American government did?

    • LagondaV12

      FYI, the breaking of the treaty with the Cherokee Nation was instigated by white Southern DEMOCRATS who, like the Democrats of today, wanted something for nothing and wanted to take what belonged to somebody else. The Cherokees who were forced by DEMOCRAT POTUS Andrew Jackson to walk the trail of tears were the 1830s equivalent of the Russian kulaks who were victims of Joe Stalin, Franklin Delano Roosevelt's best friend during WWII.

      • Amused

        Boy are you mixed up ! You sure you're not an immigrant practicing American History ? BTW …that's GULAGS not KULAKS .

        • intrcptr2

          You stupid F*CK!!!

          A kulak was an independant farmer; Papa Joe dispossesed, and murdered, millions of them in the 30s by stealing their crops to feed his workers and future soldiers, a gulag is a prison.

        • Stosh

          Amused, Lagonda is right about kulaks. They were the land-owning, relatively well-off peasants that the Soviets dispossessed as they collectivized all farmland. The result of collectivization was a massive famine in the early 1930s. The gulags were the prison camps where "enemies of the state" were held.

      • LindaRivera

        Thank you for giving this info. The terrible betrayals perpetrated against the Cherokee Nation and other Native Americans is heartbreaking.

        • intrcptr2

          There were five tribes; Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek, and Seminole. Even in the early 1800s they were known as the Five Civilized Tribes. The Cherokee get the most recognition because they fought the longest and hardest, in court, to keep their ancestral lands. The SCOTUS actually decided their case in their favor, but Jackson ignored the decision. It was actually Van Buren who finished the job of extrricating them from Northern GA.
          http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Appeal_of_the_Chero
          Notice they call themselves Indians.

          Also, the Chrerokee had largely converted to Christianity (Helped in great part by Sequoya's single-handed development of an alphabet) by this point (Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Randy), and they frequently owned black slaves.
          Recently the tribe kicked a few thousand members out because they were descended in part from slaves. Odd stuff, not at all simple like so many of our "friends" here would prefer it.

          • LindaRivera

            Thank you for more info!

            I have read Indian (Native American) poetry. It is unique and so beautiful!

  • coptic4ever

    well said Eric ,i hope leftists someday will understands that

  • LindaRivera

    pagegl and randy:

    Don't forget the suffering of India's Hindus. The terrible suffering of Hindus, Christians and Sikhs continues to this very day in Pakistan and Bangladesh.

    Historian Will Durant:
    "The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex of order and freedom, culture and peace, can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within."

    In the the last 1400 years, Islam killed 270 million people: 120 million Africans, 60 million Christians, 80 million Hindus and 10 million Buddhists.

    And GOD said, "What have you done? The voice of your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground."
    Bible, Genesis 4:10

    • Tom D

      Linda, the Hindu death toll may have been as high as 140 million

      • LindaRivera

        Horrifying and terribly sad.

      • chickie

        Did you read Islamic Jihad by M.A.Kahn about India or visit his site ?
        That is a horrifying history.And to think Jews were falsely accused of blood libel while muslims were baking bread with Hindu blood.

    • LagondaV12

      Thank you for the information, Linda. Probably the only ideology that is more destructive than Islam is atheism (aka secular humanism), the basis for both Communism and the National Socialist German Workers Party (Nazis, for those of you in Leawood), although many of the Nazis were into paganism.

    • aspacia

      Linda, your religious zeal causes this Deist to pause and understand why I left Christianity.

  • maria

    to Nakba1948:
    as all you Muslims you use taqiyya. No facts, only hatred and lie. You are fifth column here.
    You and alike just confirm that muslim immigration to our country should be stopped ASAP .

  • trickyblain

    Geller pretty much sealed her "loon" fate with her simultaneous suggestions that Obama is not eligible by birth and that he is Malcolm X's "love child." Which, of course, would mean that his mother wasn't really his mother. Runner up status to her claim that "illegitimate" children have different Constitutional rights than everyone else.

    • http://www.jihadwatch.org Robert Spencer

      It's interesting that you have to lie in order to make a case against Pamela Geller. In reality, none of these things are true. She never said Obama was not eligible, never claimed that Malcolm X was his father, and never said that "illegitimate" children have "different Constitutional rights." Your smear tactics are pathetic and contemptible.

      See here: http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/r

      • trickyblain

        In reality, they are all true (though she didn't write the fantasitical article about Malcolm, she did post it on her blog.) I provided a list of links to her actually saying Obama was not eligible as well has her comments regarding illegitimate children and eligibility. This has since disappeared. Probably a system glitch, huh?

        • Western Canadian

          In reality?? No, only in your fetid and pitiable imagination. Like quite a few others, i traced back these claims to their sources, and, yes, they are outright lies. No suprise that you would repeat such lies. It is one of your less endearing and most enduring habits.

          • trickyblain

            "Illegitimate children had different rights — at least they certainly did in 1789. [[[ed: not according to the Constitution]]] There is no way that the founders of this great nation intended for an illegitimate child of a foreign bigamist to attain the highest, most powerful position in the new land." http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2

            These are her words in a blog post dedicated to denying the President's eligibility. How anyone can say that I "repeat lies," based on the woman's OWN WORDS AND POSITIONS, is beyond all reason.

          • Amused

            Hey Robert , drop this dizzy broad , she diminishes your message . Trickly Blain is QUITE CORRECT.Those wild statements can be directly attributed to looney Geller .Do you think no one reads atlas shrugs . So Robert if you're serious about maintaining your credibility , either give dizzy some prozac or get rid of her .

          • CanadConserv

            If it's true that an American must be "natural born" to qualify for the presidency, and if it's true that natural born means both parents were American citizens, then Geller has a point.

            However, while the meaning of natural born is in dispute (ultimately subject to a supreme court decision), for now it is more generally held to mean anyone born on American soil.

            Geller may well be right, nonetheless, that the founding fathers would not have found Obama eligible by whatever definition they had in mind.

      • KarshiKhanabad

        Good to hear from you, Robert. And Ms. Geller must be a very effective ally indeed, look at the ugly comments these anonymous trolls make about her. There's lots of us out here who are firm friends of Israel and fervent counterjihadis as well. G-d bless you both for all that you do!

        As for "Nakba1948", is that someone with a chip on his shoulder, or what?

    • aspacia

      Geller never made that claim, she was ridiculing the imbecile who did. Geller is not the only person who believed O is not a citizen, many are included in this long list including Trump. She never made the claim about illegitimate children, your reading comprehension skills are in the sewer. She claimed that illegal immigrant children do not have Constitutional rights, and they don't you DOLT.

      • trickyblain

        What do "illegal immigrant children" have to about anything?

        What part of this statement is unclear?

        "Illegitimate children had different rights — at least they certainly did in 1789. "

        Geller has apparently never heard of "Alexander Hamilton."

        • aspacia

          You are correct, and I was wrong, and I do appreciate the valid link:-) Yes, Hamilton was illegitimate, and born in the Caribbean. However, during this time the illegitimate child often could not inherit, and even if given an inheritance, the children born within marriage could sue and have the will overturned.

          The condition before the law, or the social status, of a child whose parents were not married to each other at the time of his or her birth.

          The term nonmarital child is also used inter-changeably with illegitimate child.

          English Common Law placed harsh penalties on an illegitimate child, denying the child inheritance and property rights. Modern law has given the nonmarital child more rights but still differentiates between the marital and nonmarital status. In addition, a rising level of out-of-wedlock births in the United States has drawn the attention of politicians and policy makers.

          Here is the link. Remember, our founders were formed under the idea of English Common Law.

          Geller is totally wrong when she claims that because his father was not a citizen, this alone precludes O being a citizen. This is wrong.

          Boy, oh, boy, Gellar allowed her rage against O to warp her reason on this one.

          • trickyblain

            Thank you, aspacia — you've always seemed reasonable. We may not agree on much, but at least we have two things in common: we are both "goy" and "deist." :)

  • Brandy

    Thank you Robert. These same type of people keep repeating this lie time and again. I guess they figure if they say it enough people will believe it. We must counter it at every turn!

  • Skeptic123

    Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller are human rights activists and defenders of freedom of expression and freedom of conscience, equality of all people regardless of religion or gender. They are sticking their necks out for all of us, and we should support them.

    I have tremendous respect for Spencer, Geller, Horowitz, et al., for what they are doing to oppose Islamic supremacism, even if I may disagree with them on some other issues.

  • theleastthreat

    Good luck Mr Bell.

  • lostsierra

    Welcome aboard the Freedom Train, Mr. Bell. Nice article. It's often interesting to read how the Left lives and what they do to apostates.

  • Amused

    And Robert , your partner Geller is an avowed BIRTHER …..hey Robert , are you a BIRTHER TOO ?
    Be careful Spencer , at this late date in time , to be a birther is an indicator of either an ethical or intellectual DEFECT .

    • NorthStar

      Tell it to the Marines

    • mikentosh

      Don't let the truth get in the way…that 'Birther' stuff came from hiLarry Clinton and her campain during the Dem primary.

  • Amused

    And I'm willing to bet Bridgette , Hirsi ,and Melanie cringe everytime Geller opens her mouth .

    • NorthStar

      No but they do cringe at your attempts at punctuation.

    • KarshiKhanabad

      Hey Notamused, tell us again about your distinguished combat war record.

    • Blaze Pascal

      I cringe every time you open yours.

  • Brian

    i like spencer's take on islam but totally disagree with his views about obama. i wonder if bell has read sepencer's take on obama.

  • Blaze Pascal

    Ali Sina wants to make a movie about the life of Mohammad. Maybe you could help him with that?

  • badofdirt

    When leftists ran out of facts, truth and logic, they always turn to personal attacks just like Muslims. No wonder bugs of a kind crawl together!

  • Mladen

    I appreciate Mr. Bell’s warning of the threat from Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran. However, he mentions Iran in passing, as a state sponsor of terrorism. The threat from Iran is much more serious and imminent. It is serious because the doctrine of mutually assured destruction MAD which was successful in preventing a nuclear war from erupting during the Cold War cannot be applied to Iran. Iran is looking forward to a nuclear war. According to Bernard Lewis to the mullahs "mutually assured destruction is not a deterrent—it's an inducement” I started a blog solely devoted to this issue – MAD is Dead http://www.madisdead.blogspot.com/

  • friday

    I truly hope Mr. Bell is being honest.

    There are copious amounts of info he can find if he is actually looking for facts and history.In many cases written by muslims .
    Facing the reality of islam can be difficult for Americans, we are deeply ingrained with the belief of freedom of religion ,defending the underdogs and human rights.But there is no way to deny the truth,no matter how you approach the research : historically ,religiously,politically or current events.

    islam is what it is rumored to be.Most people who deny the evidence are afraid of muslims ,are muslims or are simply uneducated.

    Many people who write about muslims are not unbiased and their opinions are obvious but this is due to the professional journalists and MSM no longer performing their jobs.The world has been abandoned by the media and politicians who cower in fear to muslims.9/11 was not a singular event.It was a thief kicking open our door to invade and rob our home.

    muslims /islam is not a race,political party,legal system or religion . It is an amalgamate of supremacist ideologies that violates every basic human right and freedom we believe in,it has one main goal and has told the world this for 1400 yrs.

    GL and i hope you pursue some facts Mr.Bell.

  • PersonOfTheBook

    Bell nailed it about those who demonize Western culture and those who would defend it – the "naïve and usually well-intentioned view – that one must always side with the perceived victim in any conflict." That of course is why propaganda trumps reason. Awareness of this concept allows us to learn from history.

  • David

    Enough with the ad hominem attacks. It's about the message , not the messenger. The belief system of Islam is unequivocably –
    1. Homophobic in that it prescribes death for homosexual acts,
    2. Misogynistic and male chauvinistic in that husbands may beat their wives, rape laws are bizarre with the victms needing 4 witnesses ( what ever happened to DNA science in these places) , women's testimony in court counts for one half that of any man, etc ( to be continued below)

  • David

    3. Denies freedom of thought in that aposatasy is punishable by death ( all schools of Islam)
    4. Denies fereedom of expression in that blasphemy is punishable by death
    5. Denies equal treatment of all non Muslims and women under the law including Koranic precept of dhimmitude.
    6. Contravenes western ideals of representative government and separation of church from state in that it prescribes a form of governement ( theocracy) in which unelected religious figures trump the decisions of elected officials.
    7. Generally adheres to frozen-in-time social and economic values rooted in 7th century barbarism (e.g. death for premarital sex while condoning child brides, slavery, gential mutilation, honor killing, non-payment of interest on loans, restrictions on artistic expression, etc).
    Who gives a rat's ass whether Bell or Spencer or Geller is on the extreme right or extreme left on a politcal spectrum. What they are saying about Islam is the issue. I defy those who attack them to contradict any of the factual assertions concerning this totalitarian, supremacist belief system.

  • 112

    And how far he has fallen. Turns out bell only hated muslims as far as any liberal hates any religion at all. Google Eric Allen Bell goldman Sachs for an antisemitic and anti-Christian tirade like I’ve never seen. That was the last time I trust a hippy-looking fruitcake like that. Spencer and Geller should surely be forgiven for supporting this guy, and should be no less commended on continuing to support his film, if they denounce him for the antisemitic and anti-Christan, and really, standard liberal with dislike for islam added low-life he really always was.

  • livingengine

    “It is a shame that Eric[Allen Bell] has run off the rails and started making all
    these bizarre comments. This one [attacking Pamela Geller] is bad enough
    – then there were the antisemitic ones. We are fighting for freedom
    and the defense of human rights, and his infighting and paranoid
    conspiracy mongering is worse than counterproductive. He is not an
    ally.” – Robert Spencer

  • livingengine

    Eric Allen Bell is disaster.

  • livingengine

    Eric Allen Bell will betray you.

  • livingengine

    In less than a year, Eric Allen Bell has trying to commandeer the CJM.