How Islam Killed Greco-Roman Civilization


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He rejects the distorted and romanticized view of Muslim tolerance. On the contrary, with the Arab conquest of North Africa and Spain, “a reign of terror was to commence that was to last for centuries.” After the appearance of Islam, “the Mediterranean was no longer a highway, but a frontier, and a frontier of the most dangerous kind. Piracy, rapine, and slaughter became the norm – for a thousand years!” Yet this fact has been almost completely overlooked by historians, especially those of northern European extraction. As Scott concludes in his book:

With the arrival of Islam, Mediterranean Europe was never again at peace – not until the early part of the nineteenth century, anyway. Muslim privateers based in North Africa, the Barbary Pirates, terrorized the Mediterranean until after the end of the Napoleonic Wars. In the centuries preceding that, Muslim armies, first in the form of the Almoravids and later the Ottomans, launched periodic large-scale invasions of territories in southern Europe; and even when they were not doing so, Muslim pirates and slave-traders were involved in incessant raids against coastal settlements in Spain, southern France, Italy, Dalmatia, Albania, Greece, and all the Mediterranean islands. This activity continued unabated for centuries, and the only analogy that springs to mind is to imagine, in northern Europe, what it would have been like if the Viking raids had lasted a thousand years. It has been estimated that between the sixteenth and nineteenth centuries Muslim pirates based in North Africa captured and enslaved between a million and a million-and-a-quarter Europeans. Although their attacks ranged as far north as Iceland and Norway, the impact was most severe along the Mediterranean coasts of Spain, France and Italy, with large areas of coastline eventually being made uninhabitable by the threat.

Because of this constant Islamic threat for more than a thousand years, the Mediterranean coastal lands of southern Europe from Spain to the Balkans had to live in a state of constant alert, with fear of pirates and Jihadist slave raids never far removed. A similar pattern can be detected in the Black Sea region, from Romania to Russia.

Scott’s book does have a few weaknesses. Among the minor ones, Scott occasionally gives too much space to describe fringe hypotheses such as the one positing three missing centuries during the Early Middle Ages that supposedly never happened.

My most serious objection to Scott’s book is that, with some minor exceptions he seems to take traditional Islamic history at face value, and accepts that the Islamic expansions took place the way Muslims claim that they did. Robert Spencer’s recent book Did Muhammad Exist? presents a very different view on this matter.

It must be treated as a serious possibility that when the Arab conquests began, Islam as we think of it today simply did not exist. If that is the case, this creates some gaping holes in the apologia about the allegedly “tolerant” nature of the Arab conquests. We know both from archaeological evidence and from comments by conquered peoples that the Arabs were quite brutal conquerors. Furthermore, if Islam did not exist in recognizable form then it was not possible for the Arabs to forcibly convert the conquered peoples to Islam at this date.

Nonetheless, the single most positive thing to be said about Emmet Scott’s book is that Mohammed and Charlemagne Revisited is truly groundbreaking. This is especially so when Scott explains how the archaeological evidence clearly indicates a sudden wave of massive destruction throughout the entire Mediterranean region in the seventh century of our era that can hardly be attributed to anything other than the Arab conquests.

While there are a few minor flaws in this work, the central thesis of the book is convincingly demonstrated: The decline of Greco-Roman civilization seems to coincide with the rise of Islam. That is hardly coincidental. The historical pattern is very clear: Where Islam enters, civilization soon exits.

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  • Banastre tarleton

    The remnants of those great Islamic slaving raids could be seen in late 19th C africa with the deprivations of TIPPOO TIP and Co….it was these slave raids that the scottish missionary, David Livingstone , fought against
    Slavery was not abolished in Saudi Arabia until 1962 …generally speaking , arabs are hard core racists

    • ebonystone

      And it was against Moslem slavery and piracy that the "White Rajah", James Brooke of Sarawak, fought in the 1840's and 1850's in the South China Sea.

    • jimban

      I wish i had access to the old texts myself, for it seems the origin of European slave trading was a response to Islamic slave captutring of Europeans…and it seems only the Europeans are being held accountable for slave trading while the Islamics of Africa are being given a bye…

  • Anthony

    No books, no reasoned analysis of the history of Islam can penetrate the minds of too many in the Western World today today.

    Fjordman is right that wherever Moslem migrants, invaders, settlers or whatever you call them congregate, big trouble follows. One need not look to the historic record for This truth, just look at Europe today, or the Moslem provence of China, or the new nation of Kosovo, or Israel or what America now has to deal with as a result of these supremely conditioned dangerously misled “religious” people.

    Now you would think that after mounds of evidence both direct and historic that confirmes what will happen when dealing with the Mohammadians, they would be marginalized and contained within their lands. But this is not the case. Consider the 1972 massacre of Israel’s Olympic team in Munich. Did Germany view this as a cautionary tale and restrict Moslem immigration? No. In fact the former Olympic Village in Munich is home to many Moslems today. Walking through there and seeing veiled women with strollers everywhere was depressing. But Germany imported millions of millions of Moslem Turks without any consideration of the consequences.

    Consider our own miserable experience with the Moslem Immigrants today seen everywhere. They are clannish, rude, and above all actively injecting themselves on a very aggressive way into every sphere of political and academic polity. Our imposing security apparatus in place today that forces granny and the toddlers to molestations by the TSA is because of Moslems. For the privilege of their unfriendly and untrustworthy presence in America, for the wonders of “diversity”, we all suffer collectively.

    I would suggest less talk, and more action. Moslem expansion and conquest is a symptom. Liberalism is the cause, liberalism is the disease that they rely on to achieve their aims.

    What needs to be considered is a way to disempower liberalism. That obviously means politicians and academics who advance the dismantling of Western Civilization.

    There needs to be a revolution, and these traitors need to be held responsible somehow.

    • Chris Gleason

      This comment should be read by every American, every day. Thank you, Anthony.

    • randy63ism

      That is exactly what must be done if the West, and hence the rest of the non-muslim world is to have any chance of survival. The present blind journey taken by the West is going to be catastrophic like nothing else ever experienced by the human race unless we change course, and do it fast.

    • curmudgeon

      anthony. you are a politically incorrect, racist, islamophobic, diversity hating, monster. just like me, and every america loving, traitor hating person that i know. the diversity loving, racist, america hating, islam loving traitors just hate us all. now, can we please send our america hating traitorous hate filled muslim population to some country they dont hate? and let each and every one of them take a stinking traitorous liberal with him?

  • H&R_ Barack

    And it continues today. The Arabs and/or Muslims of today control 22 nations… 99½ percent of the ENTIRE Middle East land mass while Israel occupies only a 1/2 of 1 percent speck on this same map.

    But that's still too much land for the Arabs to spare. They want it all.

    ""Today, most of the Arab/Islamic world focuses its genocidal hatred on the Jewish State exactly as Europe once focused this same hatred on the individual Jew. There is now no greater Jewish responsibility than to prevent a second Holocaust… and it is nothing short of a Holocaust that the Arab/Islamic world now wishes and plans for Israel." ~ Louis Rene Beres
    9/9/04 Lecture to the Dawn R. Schuman Institute

  • H&R_ Barack

    From the 7th century, and to the present, the openly stated goal of Islam is to bring the entire world into Dar Al-Islam, or the "peace" of Islam. This is a clearly defined condition under which no other system is tolerated.

    Unfortunately for Muslims, and considerably more so for the rest of the world, Islam is extremely strict and uncompromising,

    Over the last 1400 years, 270 million non-believers were murdered by Muslim jihadists.

    It is estimated that upwards of 60 million Christians were slaughtered during this conquest.

    Also, half the Hindu civilization was annihilated and 80 million Hindus murdered.

    Islamic jihad also destroyed over 10 million Buddhists.

    • a.a.justice

      ISLAMOPHOBIA IS RIFE AS CAN BE SEEN FROM MOST OF THESE COMMENTS,THESE PEOPLE ARE USING HATRED AND HAVE VERY LITTLE UNDERSTANDING OF FACTS/TRUTH.

      • H&R_ Barack

        Replying to a.a.justice (unregistered spammer)

        "ISLAMOPHOBIA " is an Hegelian-Marxist dialectical term that is used by those who are too uneducated, and ignorant, intellectually dishonest, and STOOPID to challange my post based on its context and substance.

        • Alex

          "…Hegelian-Marxist dialectical term…: – who do you think you are responding to, H&R? All four word in your first sentence are completely in-intelligible to a.a.justice. Try to use much shorter phrases with simple words.

      • Anthony

        Maybe if Moslems suffered less from xenophobia, there would be no IslamOphobia. Did the Byzantine Empire suffer from “IslamOphobia”? Yes, with good reason now Constantinople is Istanbul, Turkey, whose identifying feature is Hagia Sophia, the greatest church in Christiandom, now a Mosque/Museum.

        Yes, you liars make up words to deceive, even as your greatest bragging rights in Turkey for example, is a holy artifact from a civilization you took by force, rape, and merciless bloodshed.

        Your God is Earthly power and greed, plain and sImple, pluse 72 hot virgins waiting to sex you up in the afterlife. Speaking of which, even dead Moslem women in Egypt may soon find their horney husbands having sex with heir dead bodies up to several hours after death. The “Arab Spring” is bearing fruits of their founding ideology, Islam, where Egypt is passing a law legalizing necrophilia.

        Sick, evil, certainly something to fear , ask the family of the murdered Japanese translator of “The Satanic Verses”.

      • curmudgeon

        anyone who does not fear (and loathe) islam is just not paying attention. it takes years of the liberal media, the lies of academia, willful ignorance, and a large dose of stupidity to be foolish enough to not fear islam. even muslims, if they are aware of any history at all, fear islam, and nonmuslims should be terrified. so what is your problem, aa? are you totally unaware of what is going on in the world, or are you an ardent advocate of evil?

        • Drew

          Those are really the only two possible descriptions of people who use the term Islamophobia: ignorant of both history and current events so they are clueless to the evil of Islam or aware and advocating evil. Interestingly, both Muslims and liberals fall into both groups. For example, George W. Bush remains misinformed while Barrack Obama advocates evil, going to Cairo to spread it.

          • Drew

            And yes, I consider George W. Bush a liberal in many ways.

          • curmudgeon

            drew. i could not possible agree with you more

      • Atikva

        Do you think that us islamolucids are going to be intimidated by the "islamophobia" label? We couldn't care less. And incidentally, it's not fear that we feel toward islam, it's disgust, total disgust.

        Now if you want to do something intelligent for a change, why don't you try to refute the facts mentioned in those comments that you don't like. Go ahead, we are waiting.

      • ebonystone

        How is it "phobic" to fear the Moslem assault on our countries? Given the centuries-long record of Moslem mayhem and rapine, it's only rational to oppose them. When many of the tribes of central Mexico joined the Spanish in conquering the Aztecs, it wasn't because they were Aztecophobic.

      • Galveston

        It's BECAUSE we understand islam all too well you useful idiot. Keep singing the praises of the "religion of peace" (and if you don't agree we'll cut your head off!) and those of us with sanity and the instinct of self-preservation will keep the death cult of islam at bay

        • guest

          why is it we're never reminded that Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity are all religions of peace but the muslims and their apologists are always crowing about how islam is the religion of peace? I'll believe it when I see it – or when islam has a badly needed reformation.

          • Drew

            You'll have a long wait as Islam cannot be reformed. Mohammed may have been a corrupt warlord and sexual satyr, but he drew up an airtight contract that has stood unchanged for 1400 years, with would be reformers cast out as apostates or murdered.

      • randy63ism

        If you drop the first word of your incoherent rant, you really describe yourself to a T, or is that an M?

        Now lets talk about glass. Yes, glass. You see, if you know what a mirror is, you should use it more often. A little introspection is good for the soul. Builds character and prevents embarrasment.

        Another thing about glass is that it doesn't bode well with rocks. Now we are well aware of the muslim fondness for all things lithic, especially when balistics are applied as in the killing of adultresses, chipping the paint off of Israeli tanks, etc. But if you build your abode out of glass, stay away from stones! It's really that simple, even Homo Islamopithicus can do it, well, save for the Paleostinian hominid strain. Now lest you call me racist for such terminology, Homo Islamopithicus Paleostinus isn't a different race. It's a whole different hominid species which could go the route of the Neandertal if it doesn't police it's lithic tendancies.

        Tommorow's lesson, the proper use of CAPSLOCK.

      • Drew

        Can't take credit for this, a fragment from the Internet: "Islamophobia, my butt. If I fear murderers, do I have murderphobia?"

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        asslifting justice,

        9/11 make all of us "islamophobic".

        Every airport in the world has checkpoints because of "islamophobia".

      • Western Spirit

        No wonder you sign you're post in small letters and write the post in capital letters, your confused from too much liberal gobbledegook.

        What is so wonderful about diversity for instance, when it invites those who would destroy our way of life to
        to enter our country? All the name calling the left has dreamed up as values are designed to destroy what we value and people who follow them are not virtuous, but deluded and just a mite stupid.

  • Emilio

    As someone with a PhD in history of Muslim Spain, I'm cracking up. It seems that 9/11 made some people dumb and dumber, and their hatred for anything not white and Christian makes them think gobbledygoop is 'groundbreaking research'. My friend, racism is not pretty.

    • Anthony

      You can wipe your ass with your PhD. You were taught by liar, liberal positives to believe lies. Do you know your PhD would never have existed without the Medieval university system created by Catholic civilization?

      You are the traitor class I discussed above. You and your ideological comerades are the enemy of t
      What remains of Western CivIlization. You can laugh, but 500 years of Islamic rule in Spain was no laughing matter.

      Educate yourself dunce. Read “Legacy of Jihad” by Andrew Bostom.

      Were you an affirmative action student? I ask this because they are the drones constantly who gong about “hate”. Sound really academic Mr. Doctor.

      • jack

        Well said Anthony. How many of these supposedly enlightend creeps do they pump out of our pathetic universitys? A PHD in propoganda more likely.

      • patriothere

        There were scientific breakthroughs during the HEIGHT of Islam. Do a quick google search of all the muslim polymaths. You will fine many.

        You hate muslims because the zionist goons tell you to. You are one of these nut jobs that will be responsible for thousands of people dying in WW3

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          That was about 700 years ago, and they're still stuck in the 8th century mindset now.
          If anything, they are regressing. And riding on the coat tails of the western technology.

    • Observer

      I'm from a country that was ruled by muslims and you are wrong. And you should ask yourself – is it Education, or Indoctrination? This stuff that whites/christians are racists and bigots and the others are not is believed only by ignorant or racist people who try to exploit white guilt. In this world, everybody hates the other, its just that you were too ignorant to let yourself to be brainwashed that only whtes/christians are racists.

    • ebonystone

      " racism is not pretty."

      You're right, it's not. Just ask the black Sudanese about Arab/Moslem racism.
      Or ask hundreds of raped ritish school-girls about Pakistani/Moslem racism.

      • Drew

        Let's specify that Muslim militias at the behest of a Muslim government slaughtered 500,000 i.e. half a million black Sudanese in Darfur including women and children. I believe that racism trumps phantom white racism.

        • Drew

          Correction: I omitted a word above. I believe that murderous racism trumps phantom white racism.

    • randy63ism

      Is islam a race? Speaking of "dumb and dumber," you have obviously received your much-vaunted PhD in the history of al-Andalus from either the madrassa, UC Berkely, or a Cracker Jack box. In any case, I wouldn't trade my substandard 12th grade public high school diploma for a Doctorate that is not even worth the paper that it is printed on.

      Tell me, is Emilio a pseudonym for Maria Menocal or John Esposito?

    • RUI

      This "someone with a PhD" is trying to tell us "shut up, I'm the one who knows". True to form, like the shameless liberal that you are, you never mentioned where the racism™ was (as islam is NOT a race), what exactly comprised this gobbleygoopand so on. All it tells me is that your PhD in Muslim Spain was indeed time well spent. Bravo.

    • Drew

      Let's enumerate what typical lib Emilio crammed into three lines: credentialism (likely false, and if not, a worthless degree in a poorly taught subject), ad hominem calling people stupid and racist who are demonstrably neither, and finally poor English considering his PhD and all. The word is gobbledygook "Dr." Emilio and your comment was full of it without a single fact. Gobbledygoop is a child's toy kit for making slime. THAT you would know all about.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Emilio, Your "PhD" is as meaningful as Al Sharptons "reverend" diploma.

      Care to tell us which school awarded you your 'PhD"????

  • Schlomotion

    Peder Jensen is a little out of touch here. Greece just lost 21 Parliamentary seats to the Nazi Party, Golden Dawn. Half of the Greek police force and over 700,000 citizens voted National Socialist in response to the ECBs recent coup in the country. The big news yesterday was Golden Dawn's claim of 7% of Greek parliament and a big fat Nazi speech by Nikolaos Michaloliakos. So now, the next day, Peder Jensen is blaming the collapse of Greece on Muslims.

    • poppakap

      Hey Slomo, is there any way you can remain topical in your screeds? Or is it just too much to ask for your intellectually challenged grey matter? At least we can always get a laugh out of your nonsense.

      • randy63ism

        Schlomotion must be a euphamism for cognative dissonance.

    • ebonystone

      The Golden Dawn! I knew it! Those Rosicrucians (or is it the Illuminati?) are behind everything!

      • randy63ism

        Lol, who knows which group it is. It's hard to tell them apart since they all have a penchant for trendy Reynold's Wrap headgear.

        Psst, Just don't tell them to stay away from the microwave.

    • Chezwick

      Schlomo,

      Given your pathological hatred of Jews, one would think you'd be heartened by the strong showing of Greece's Nazis.

      • Schlomotion

        I don't Jews. It's just that a small handful Jews like to whine and say that I do.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          Of course you do, why be sniveling about it now?

          • Schlomotion

            That was a nice doff to Pat Tillman. He got fragged after he said that.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I thought he mentioned how you mom offered to pay him for it.

    • truebearing

      Maybe I'm aking the wrong person, but what are you talking about?

  • Marty

    This is an excellent summary of the reality of the islamic war on civilization. islamic tolerance is a contradiction in terms. The history of islam is nothing more than fourteen hundred year story of mass murder, exploitation, racism, institutionalized rape, and widespread impoverishment. islam destroyed any non-islamic culture it touched. muslims have no interest in further human progress or individual rights. They are perfectly comfortable being parasites on the achievements of western civilization. Their only industry is terrorism and genocide. Their only accomplishment is oppression. At least when Greeks and Romans conquered they brought with them a modicum of law, science, philosophy, and technology. islamic conquest brings only death and slavery.

    • Drew

      Any state embracing Islam remains ignorant and backward:

      During the last millennium, all Arab countries together translated about the same number of books that Spain translates in a single year.

      Between 1986 and 2000, only 367 scientific patents were registered in six Arab countries (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, Egypt, Syria and Jordan), while South Korea registered 16,328 and Israel 7,652.

  • esperantominoria

    Guys,watch this:

    "Watch the 1 Hour Documentary “Iranium”(2011) about Iran’s Nuclear Program,and More"

    It is narrated by Shohreh Aghdashloo(born 1952),the Iranian actress famous for appearing in these 2 films:

    1.“The Nativity Story”(2006)

    It ia about the birth of Jesus,watch it here:

    2.“The Stoning of Soraya M”(2008)

    About the real-life stoning to death of a woman in Iran,in her little village.
    http://www.antisharia.com/2012/05/18/watch-the-1-

    AND ALSO

    "Watch the Complete 1 Hour Documentary “Epicenter”,based on a Book by Joel Rosenberg"

    It is about the Middle East,Israel and Islam.
    http://www.antisharia.com/2011/10/13/watch-the-co

    • patriothere

      Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program and is not working on one. They have a civilian energy program. US intelligence says so. Israeli military leaders are even saying so. Not too mention the Iranian leaders have been saying this since the war propaganda started.

      The Zionist regime will not be around to see the next five years. And the world will be a better place when it is gone.

      • randy63ism

        Says who? David Duke? Or that "Fart Smeller Dinnerjacket Feller" in Teheran?

        I hope you know that a steady diet of Press TV is a known factor in the development of Cerebral Detachment Disorder. I would highly recomend MEMRI videos instead. MEMRI helps promote better fact retention and clear thinking.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          Isn't he just special?

          He once lost his temper and admitted he's a paid hack here.

          6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
          "I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out."

          So, while you can't take him seriously, it's fun to see what the clerics are paying people to post.

          • randy63ism

            Such intellectual marvels like this so-called patriothere (or there), cannot even pay for the shortbus fare they so desperately need, so they are naturally sought out and placed on the payroll of groups like the Ku Klux Kair, and then have the audacity to call us racists. Go figure.

      • Drew

        Well, which is it? Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program or Israel will not be around in 5 years? It can't be both. Old Ammadindahead of Iran can't just vaporize Israel with his bloviating.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        The islamofascist regime of iran won't be around much longer.

        I see a NAKBA about to fall on the ayatollahs of the islamofascist regime.

        The opposition within Persia will spearhead the downfall of the ayatollahs.

        DEATH to the "Islamic Regime".

        LONG LIVE PERSIA!

  • H&R_ Barack

    RE: Mohammed and Charlemagne,

    I wish the secularist writers would understand the difference between Biblical "Christians" and the church from Rome, The Roman Catholic Church.

    Biblical Christians did not participate in "The Spanish Inquisition."
    http://www.thebereancall.org/content/muslims-floc

    • Guest

      neither did they participate in staving off Islam for a thousand years.. Roman Catholics did that, and for half of that time they also had to contend with the precursors of modern liberals – the protestants

      • H&R_ Barack

        Your understanding of History, theology, and Evangelical Politics is ignorant.

        Moreover, the Book of Acts (8:1) , "there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem " It involved violent assaults, imprisonments, and deaths, and the issues were doctrinal–pitting those who fiercely defended the religious traditions of men, – against those who followed the teachings of Jesus the Messiah (which are now known as the Bible).

        Those persecutions continued as Christians who stood firm in the doctrine of Christ refused to bow down to the deified Caesars or conform to the pagan rituals of Rome .

        Biblical Christian ancestors were vicious entertainment for those who packed the coliseums to see them burned and torn apart by animals.

        Later, a "Christianized" Rome persecuted those who attempted to reform Roman Catholicism in the same manner.

        From there, doctrinal inquisitions and trials by torture proliferated against the "protestants" and other biblical non-Catholics.

        Biblical Christians Died – YOU Lied. – You know not doctrine, or Christian histoire, amigo.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          Talking points are so much more convenient.

    • bruce

      the inquisition was aimed at converted Jews.

  • marios

    Germany goverment granted Muslims /Turkes citizenship… Our own country is in the same situation now. For 3 last years BHO regn 3 ML Muslims immigrated to our country (1ML per year). BHO in his Cairo speech said that "US is the biggest Muslim country" and he is working on that promisse. We should demand our House Rep to stop Muslim immigration now (after Nov election at least) or it will be too late. And of course, next Pres. should be American, non-Muslim.

    • curmudgeon

      foreck a bunch of stopping the immigration of hate filled muslims into our country. we need to send them all home, to some country they dont hate. all of them. both the islamocriminals that our "leaders" have maliciously imported, as well as the criminal allah worshipers we have raised ourselves. send them all to some country they dont hate.

      • curmudgeon

        the difference between being deleted by an administrator and not is how one spells forek. yea, censorism. the liberals would love the administrator. yea, censorship. yea, liberals. yea restrictions on speach. yea liberal hypocracy, tyranny, and the rule of the democratic party. yea administrator.

  • H&R_ Barack

    The cogent review of the book by David Rasch comments "'Mohammad and Charlamagne' revisits Pirenne's thesis and finds much to critique in the rush by scholars with a vested interest status quo to discredit the Belgian's work. The essence is that there is a gap in the record roughly paralleling the islamic conquests in Spain. The gap is explained two ways.

    First, by academics, that the western Roman empire was so rotten it fell of itself. The second, Scott and Pirenne, that the healthy Western empire was destroyed by the muslims' blocking trade between North Africa and the West. The evidence lies, primarily, in archeology.

    It is a well known fact that, even in these times, moslems destroy evidence of civilization which existed before they arrived, weather it be human beings or the results of their eforts, such as writings or buildings. "

    From the 7th century, and to the present, the openly stated goal of Islam is to bring the entire world into Dar Al-Islam, or the "peace" of Islam. This is a clearly defined condition under which no other system is tolerated.

    Unfortunately for Muslims, and considerably more so for the rest of the world, Islam is extremely strict and uncompromising,

    Over the last 1400 years, 270 million non-believers were murdered by Muslim jihadists.

  • Zebulon

    *cries laughing* oh dear Lord! You racists ARE desperate! *clutches sides*

    • Observer

      Lol you think that non-whites are not racist or there is no racism in Islam? Whites admit that there is racism among them, but others are just as racist, and they hide it. USA allowed white people to become minority. See recent news about new born whites becoming minority in USA. Do you see arab country allowing arabs to become minority, hispanic country allowing hispanics to become minority, Japan Korea etc. allowing their people to become minority?

      Also: this guy is from Norway. I agree that America should be a diverse country. But do you know that there is a lot of white countries that never colonised Africans or Asians? Take Norway, Sweden, Finland, Poland, Switzeland, Ukraine, Ireland, Romania, Baltic countries etc.
      So why is it that their people should be replaced by other peoples?
      These are small countries; why is it that the world should lose their cultures? How i'm supposed to know what is swedish culture if thre are no swedish people living in Sweden, just arabs, turks etc.?

      • Zebulon

        Come back to me when you've got a basic knowledge of ancient history and maybe we'll talk. In the meantime, you look ridiculous and panicky and are straying way way way off topic in an attempt to deflect that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          He does and you can't show him wrong.

          Blacks in islam are second tier humans, and Jews are considered like monkeys.
          When you are willing to discuss reality then why not come back and play with the adults in the big pool.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          So, are you going to use the childish rant with everyone that doesn't accept your sharia tilted talking points?

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Roger isn't even welcome on conservatives websites. They have asked him to not comment on http://www.navygentleman.com

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You're not welcome, but I comment there almost daily. When you have mature thoughtful comments (what am I saying, you'll never manage that) you can do that.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Of corse I'm not welcome. It's a propaganda site and they are scared when I expose them.

            You are not welcome there because they think your a dumb s h i t.

            Cowboy Logic thinks you are troll bait and has made it known he wants you gone.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You really don't get these sites do you?

            It's mostly mature responsible people here to share ideas and discuss them.
            Of course you aren't', but most are. That often means you don't always agree with people. But mature folks understand that. And Cowboy was right, I am bait for trolls, you're here and you're trolling. But trolls aren't so much an issue there, they keep blocking you.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            They block me everyday there only AFTER I make enough comments to expose the propaganda. And Navy has admitted that he is worn out by me and it's affecting his work on the site.

            So again you're wrong, I am in fact a HUGE issue there.

            The majority of the comments on these sites are by conservatives making "jokes" about killing President Obama, or putting the Wookie Michelle Obama in a zoo.

            These sites are childish, and are meant for children.

            I expose them for these schoolyard bully tactics everyday, kid.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Once again you prove me right and yourself wrong.
            If you and cowboy met, you would realize you're not on the same playing field as he is.

            And you continue to crawl around.
            If those sites are so bad, why bother trying to disrupt them? There must be more impotent things to do, like smoking your bong with both hands.

            7 weeks ago @ Breitbart.tv – #OccupyDenver Comes Ba… · 0 replies · -1 points
            I use two hands for the bong, then type afterwards.

            It's not like when you wank off while blogging.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            You just proved my point.

            See how you lie.

            Cowboy was right to ask you to stop commenting on Navy's site.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You just proved my point. And cowboy hasn't.

            Are you saying you quit the medical marijuana for your bad knee?

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Look at the little baby doing cut and paste.

            What a little p u s s y boy you are.

            No wonder your bothers think you are a homo.

            Cowboy has the same opinion about you are your older brother. That you are a social butterfly.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And do the dancing pink ponies that spotted 'cut and paste' in my last comment agree with you, or is that what they told you to say?

            See, you are proving cowboy correct, you are showing that as a troll I'm a target for your nonsensical meanderings.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            You cut and pasted a quote about "two hands on a bong."

            R et a rd!!!!!

            Cowboy came just short of calling you a troll before asking you to leave the site.

            And without WeeTodd, you have nobody. You are alone with your hand and pictures of little boys.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I 'quoted' your entire comment. And it wasn't the comment you were replying to. You missed it and had to play catch up.

            I do notice (and so do others) your tactics. You don't want the debate to continue on the story. You can't debate the actual story. So, you derail the comment thread with inconsequential childish prattle.

            You are a troll.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Copy and paste some more little boy.

            My comment was right on point. The fact that you use "I know you are but what am I?" as your only argument.

            No wonder Cowboy Logic asked you to leave.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Your comment was, so do you still use both hands?

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Why are you asking me questions that sound gay?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still want to discuss anything but the story?

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Did you register as a sex offender in your new city? It's the law you know?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Do the dancing ponies that molest your mind make you talk about everything but the story?

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Do you lie to the people in your new city about having a girlfriend?

            Do you think it will be easier to find a girlfriend outside of Southern California?

            Women will avoid you wherever you go because you have the mind of a child.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still can't discuss the topic of the story?

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            I did talk about it.

            I said Muslims were better for Jews thought history than Christians or Romans.

            So as a Jew, I am grateful for them.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still smoking that bong with medical marijuana for your bad knee?

            How may Jews are in Saudi Arabia, since islam has been so good for the Jews, how many are working the embassy in Cairo?

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            They are almost the same religion. If you hate Muslims, then you need to hate Othodox Jews.

            But what would know? You still can't even admit you lied about Reagan being a conservative in 1948.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            They are polar opposites.

            That's why there are no Jewish suicide vests.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            They are cut from the same cloth.

            That's why they got along so well for thousands of years.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still no Jewish suicide vests…

            They are opposed. You do know muslims want to drive Jews off into the sea?

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            So did the Germans, but you don't seem to hate them.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I rip on fascism constantly.

            You do know that the nazi's were socialist don't you?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Go back and read my comments again then.

            I have this thing for the value of life and the liberties our creator gave us.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            you don't value the truth though. you lied about Reagan not being a liberal in 1948.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Being a democrat in 1948 didn't mean you were a liberal.

            That's the change in the party that left Reaganbehind.

            Youstill don't get it, you can't revise things to suit any junior collegegoverment teacher andpretendit's true.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            So show proof that he wasn't a liberl Democrat instead of just making claims. The video of Reagan I sent you, he talks even more liberal then me. But I will let you show me twhere you get your facts about Reagan.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Wrong,still.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            I showed you proof first, then second, then third. I proved he wawas not a conservative in 1948, yet you TILL have not provided anything as far as proof on your end. Why won't you tell me what you have read about Reagab that makes you think he was a conservative in 1948. PROVIDE SOME DOCUMENTATION!!!!! BS artist!!!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, you didn't.You only claim that the video is proof of something it isn't.Want to also say it was proof of flying ponies on mars?

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            You have no argument and you have no documentation. You refuse to provide anything to back your claims like I have. If what I provided is not proof, then you need to tell me why with facts and not just your vague opinions and interpretations .
            You are showing the classic traits of a pathological liar when he is trapped wit only his lies to defend him.
            You are a failure as a human being. This is why Cowboy Logic, Navy and the rest of that site don’t like you.

          • randy63ism

            Man, that handle, "Alinsky USA HERO" sort of explains it all doesn't it? Sofa king commutarded isn't he? Not only is this cloistered clown a troll, he's a bona fide mercenary cyberstalker, possibly on retainer for Areola Puffington or something.

            Since I like to put a positive spin on things, I would say that fools like this serve a good purpose by showing themselves, warts and all, to all and sundry for the total idiots they are, and the proof is in the negative points their asinine comments receive.

            Sadly, for such people (but good for us), they are so blinded by their own pathological narcissism and innate stupidity, that they never figure out their value to us as useful idiots.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Amen!

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Randy, another Capitalist f u c k with nothing interesting to say.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You are many things, but you are not a capitalist.

            And remember saying this?

            1 day ago @ Big Government – Occupy-Linked Hacker G… · 17 replies · -6 points
            The revolution has begun and your kind will be finding their heads in baskets soon. I hope you still have that smile on your face when that time comes.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            I didn't say I was a capitalist. Can you even read?

            Yes, I am very proud of that quote, and I hope your head is one of the first one in that basket.

            Why do you keep asking me if I remember?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Then you admit I was right when I said you weren't a capitalist. You just can't admit I'm right, can you?

            And you just admitted for all the world (and this forum) you advocate violent revolution.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            I'm NOT a Capitalist, I've said it a thousand times, it's no secret Shercock.

            There will be a violent revolution if conservatives keep advocating class warfare.

            Your head will be taken out of the basket and placed on a stick.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You just keep it up, expose your hate and insanity for all to see.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Exploiting the poor and making slaves of people through Capitalism..you are digging your own grave.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Name one success where communism created a utopia.

            And one communist country that didn't use mass graves to oppress it's people.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Vietnam.

            I am not a communist , I am a Socialist, much like Reagan was in 1948.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And Reagan was neither in 1948.

            Democrats swerved to the left later and he dropped them when they did.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Vietnam.

            I am not a communist, I am a S o c i al is t ,

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It was primitive in the capitalist part, and the communist regime has allowed some capitalist measures to achieve why they have now.

            And they slaughtered all opposition in the fall of southern Vietnam, so you're wrong on both parts.

            Oh, if Vietnam is a utopia, why not move there?

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            I rather stay in America and protected it from terrorists like you.

            Capitalist countires killed more civilians then Vietnam. Say like America.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The terrorist is the kindofpersonwhowantstostartviolentrevolutionandactsofterror.

            Youknowlikeiwthheadsandbaskets.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            You want America to fail. That makes you a terrorist. Muslims and communists are angels compared to murderers like you. You need to be shot for treason.

          • Kevin Stowell

            "Pike"

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            I already know Roger and Kevin Stowell are the save person. That why he is your only friend.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, we're not.

            We just both deal well with reality.

          • Kevin Stowell

            We're both saved? Cool.

            What's the equivalent of that in Islam?

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            You are the same person.

            You are a pathological liar.

          • Kevin Stowell

            I grew up in the Land of Lincoln–how can that be? Have you not heard of Honest Abe?:

          • Looking4Sanity

            I see you've discovered a new sock puppet here.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It needssoakedin bleach.

          • Looking4Sanity

            It's particular brand of stupidity seems somehow familiar. I think I might know who this one is.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          Cut and paste. How 2nd grade of you.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            "I know you are but what am I?"

            I have exposed Roger for using that argument a thousand times. It's all he really has. He is a phoney that pretends he is a Christian. He is a pathological liar.

            He ,claims that Reagan was a conservative in 1948 even though he can provide no proof, and EVERY HISTORIAN on the planet says otherwise.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            That really adds to the comment stream for this story. (not)

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            It adds a lot. The more people pointing out your "I know you are but what I am?" argument, the better.

            You lied about Reagan, just like you lie about Muslims.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Sure (sarcasm) Reagan ALWAYS thought government should take away our rights and solve all our problems, even in 1948 when he was still marching under the communist banner…

            You see, that just doesn't work.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            You make up false beliefs for Democrats and them try to use them to redine Reagan's views in 1948.

            You failed. You are a liar.

            The fact…..Reagan voted Democrat in 1948 and even campaigned for New Deal Democrats.

            You are a loser. This is why they don't want you to comment on Navy's site.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And that was before the democrats were marxist. His views didn't change so much as the party changed it's views. It 'left him behind' along with a lot of Reagan democrats that put him into the White House in 1980.

            Haven't you ever heard of blue dog democrats? There aren't' a lot of them left.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            The New Deal was more socialistic than Democrats are today. So again you are just lying.

            You can't find a way to get around the facts can you?

            You are exposed and aren't man enough to admit it.

            You are a kid. you lost.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And the death of FDR sealed what WW2 had started.

            The demise of the new deal as it was unrolled in the period of extended depression. Yes the New Deal failed.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            We were talking about Reagan's feeling about the New Deal in 1948. Your attempts to change the argument are helping you.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, you were pretending there was a new deal in 1948.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Reagan thought there was a New Deal in 1948. I sent you a quote by him.

            He was giving speeches to the New Deal Coalition at that time.

            Do you have any facts, or are you going to continue to just make things up as you go along?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No you didn't. And the new deal was dead since all funding was shifted to the war effort. Then it was a more permanent death after the death of FDR.

            You're still trying to build a false argument on a flawed premise.

            And don't you remember I sent you a quote that UFO's were flying from your left nostril to area 51?

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Reagan says there was a New Deal in 1948. I sent you the quote.

            You responded :"No, you didn't" No, I didn't what?

            I said Reagan belied there was a New Deal in 1948, and he supported it.

            The quote comes from an article by a Christian conservative PH.D professor of history.named K. Alan Snyder. He has written three books and contributed to Breitbart's BIGGOVERNMENT website.

            Why would he put a fake quote of Reagan in one of his articles? He would lose his job if he did that. And he hasn't lost his job.

            Ronald Reagan's quote proves he believed The New Deal saved us from the great depression and that he believed in for many years after the war.

            Here is the quote by Ronald Reagan….

            “I thought government could solve all our postwar problems just as it had ended the Depression and won the war. I didn’t trust big business. I thought government, not private companies, should own our big public utilities; if there wasn’t enough housing to shelter the American people, I thought government should build it; if we needed better medical care, the answer was socialized medicine.”

            Here is the bio of the Ph.D Christian conservative professor that contributed to Breitbart's website.

            http://www.thefamishedpatriot.com/2011/06/15/foun….

            I can fund no information that says this professor writes articles with fake Reagan quotes in it. Do you have some evidence of that since you made the claim that the Reagan quote was no a real quote by Reagan? , Or were you lying again?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still pretending there was a new deal in 1948?

            You do realize that there was a world war and all civilian programs were frozen while we freed the world from the axis powers?

            The new deal died with FDR and was already frozen thanks to Hitler.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            You won't address the facts I gave you. Why not?

            Your history of the New Deal is not the issue, the issue is what Reagan's thought about the New Deal in 1948.

            And Reagan thought there was a New Deal in 1948. Do you have facts that contradict the otherwise undisputed history?

            God knows you are lying, and so do you. Your tactics make you look even more foolish than usual.

            Hubris is going to sent you to hell where you belong.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I don't accept your talking points as fact.

            There was no new deal in1948. The new deal was during the pre-war years.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Why don't you believe a Christian conservative PH.d in history and Breitbart contributor's article on Reagan's history?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why should I believe you quoted them accurately?

            Is this where you start talking about heads falling into baskets again?

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            I sent you a link to the article two times.

            Here it is again. why don't you believe this Christian conservative PH.d in history and Breitbart contributor's article on Reagan's history?
            http://www.firstprinciplesjournal.com/articles.as

            Also, here is a list of 13 articles that he wrote for Breitbart's biggovernment site.
            http://ponderingprinciples.com/articles/online_co

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You can link to his bio. He's a liberal college professor in Florida.Why do you lie so much?

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Why do you say he is liberal when he wrote 13 conservative articles for Breitbart.com?

            He is a conservative christian. Why do you say otherwise?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Can you show as an academic he's not in the liberal maw?

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Yes, I showed it to you his book and article list.

            He writes about being a Christian conservative.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And I showed you that your pink ponies dance in your head.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            I gave you the articles, you have no reason to think he is a liberal.

            God sees you lying roger. YOu can't expect us to belive you are a follower of Jesus Christ.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And did that say Reagan wanted a government so big it would steal our choices and liberties?

            That was my original claim.
            That Reagan always believed in the free market principles he used to turn that union around.

            You haven't shown otherwise. You just want to change the debate.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            I'm still waiting for your answer.

            He wrote for Breitbart.com

            why do you say he was a liberal?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            A lot of people wrote for them.

            So what?

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            What liberals write for Breitbart.com?

            Only conservatives write for Brietbart.

            So that makes him a conservative.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Sure, if you say so. Not.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Then please name a liberal writing for Breitbart if I am wrong.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why?

            You would twist that around and lie about it.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            In 1948 Democrats were more towards Socialist with the New Deal, than Democrats are now.

            The fact…Reagan was a democrat in 1948.

            so again, you are lying. You are trying to change history. in order to get out of your lies.

            But you can't. You are a child, and are exposed.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So what, that is a change in argument.
            Reagan may have beeb born into a family trapped by the new deal but he never admired or talked about how he wanted more of it.

            You're less than a child. Too bad they didn't flush twice at your birth.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Yes he did. You are just making up facts.

            I sent you a quote by Ronald Reagan where he says he was a New Dealer to the core.

            Your lies aren't helping you.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Then find the quote outside the liberal troll academics.

            Your talking points aren't helping you at all.
            Reagan never wanted big government that would steal our freedoms and control us as a society from cradle to grave.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            I gave you a direct quote by Reagan from a conservative organization.

            You can't lie your way out oif this.

            And why is it that YOU made the claim, yet NEVER provide any evidence, and then KEEP ASKING me to send you more facts.

            Those are tactics of someone that knows they have been caught in thier lie.

            Your brotehr must have really beat your f u ck i n g head in.

            How many head u\injuries did he give you?

            Old brother doesn't even look like he can beat his Mexican wife anymore. Too old.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why not listen to Reagan himself.
            It's not as much fun as putting together pretend quotes, but all the same it's much more accurate.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            That was from 1961 not 1948.

            You must have been beaten up everyday at Desert College.

            The quote is real, you can't use Rovian tactics to get away from your lie.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Reagan had positions.
            You pretend what he said doesn't matter so you can take a fictional quote and push it instead.

            Reagan warned in 1849 that you would lie.
            "Don't believe AlinksyHero when he lies on the internet."

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Why do you say the quote is fictional?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why do you say there was a new deal in 1948?

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Because the polices were almost all still in place in 1948, including the SAG that Reagan became President of, and all the articles, books and media I can find or seen all say there was a New Deal in 1948.

            So you didn't answer my question, Why do you think the quote from Reagan is fake?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, the policies were all frozen after the war broke out.

            Policies after the war shifted to the GI bill.

            And the cold war was still a drain on the treasury.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Where are you getting your information?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            People who were there. People who were alive and wearing a uniform.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            What people?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            History is what it is.
            Talk to any WW2 era US citizen.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            What people are you talking to?

            I have talked to many ww2 vets and this is teh first time I have ever heard anyone claim they didn't think there was a New Deal in 1848.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            You never answered the question.

            Why do you think the Reagan quote is a fake.

            Please answer, I've asked you many many times.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why should I believe what someone claims Reagan said when I can listen to Reagan talking himself?

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            He gave you a quote from Ronald Reagan himself.

            Why is that quote fake in your opinion?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And I gave you a rebuttal quote. Why don't' you balance them out and then toss in reality to see why I don't believe something?

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            You gave a quote from 1961.

            But we are talking about 1941?

            Why are you refusing to answer my question? Why do you think the quote in the article is a fake?

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Not 1941…I meant to type 1948.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Either way you're still blowing smoke.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            In 1948 Democrats were more towards S o c ia li s t with the New Deal, than Democrats are now.

            The fact…Reagan was a democrat in 1948.

            so again, you are lying. You are trying to change history. in order to get out of your lies.

            But you can't. You are a child, and are exposed.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The new deal was before the war, not after.
            And Reagan (once again) was never for large government controlling all, taking rights from all, or solving all our ills.

            And you can't change that. And if I'm exposed for anything it's that you are for some strange reason unable to focus on reality when I'm around. Should I change aftershave so you'll wander away?

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Reagan was never for large government. He supported the New Deal, and believed that big government made us all more free and gave us stronger rights and solved our ill. That is a fact!!!

            You keep trying to redind what a Democrat and New Deal was, so that you can lie and claim Reagan wasn't that.

            You are a liar, and I have exposed you again…child.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The new deal was big government.

            That's not redefining anything.
            You're not exposed, you're owned. Only as a toxic buildup you're a liability. So, are you going to be sold off as a non performing asset?

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Reagan was never for large government?????? He supported the New Deal, and believed that big government made us all more free and gave us stronger rights and solved our ill. That is a fact!!!

            You keep trying to redefine what a Democrat is and what the New Deal was, so that you can lie and claim Reagan wasn't that.

            You are a liar, and I have exposed you again…child.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You can't show Reagan supported the new deal.
            You can show his father was stuck on one program, but that wasn't necessarily with Ronnie's encouragement.

            You can't show much, let alone that I'm wrong.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            I did show it. He campaigned for New Deal Democrats.

            You can't show that he wasn't a Democrat in 1948.

            Show me something…ANYTHING that says Reagan wasn't a democrat in 1948!!!!!

            You child.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The new deal after the war with FDR dead?

            That new deal?

            And the democrat party of 1948 isn't the same ideology that they have now. You know that Reagan saying 'they left me' thing?

            Always the troll.
            Too bad you can't actually debate the story.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Please show some proof that Reagan did not support the New Deal like you claim.

            Otherwise you have to admit you are trying to insert your own interpretation of the New Deal to fix your lies about Reagan.

            Little boy grow up and maybe Cowboy Logic won't mind you commenting on Navy's site.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Prove your point.
            You can't, why should I have to disprove something that's not true?

            And you still can't discuss the actual story.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            I gave you the proof. Now you need to do the same.

            Show some facts to back up your claims like I have already done several times.

            This is what always happens when a pathological liar gets exposed.

            You will do anything to stall and twist facts, and you won't provide any proof of your own.

            This is the reason Cowboy Logic doesn't want you on Navy's site.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You gave an old video that had Reagan mad at the republican establishment for not following their campaign promises.

            You proved nothing other than you can't discuss the story that started the thread.

            Don't you care that muslim have destroyed civilizations in the past, just as they want to destroy the western lifestyle now?

            You have nothing… .again.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Reagan said he was upset that the Republicans were not following New Deal economic policies and the Republican economic polices were ruining the economy with false promises.

            But you have NEVER given me any proof that Reagan was not a New Deal Democrat in 1948.

            When will you finally do that?

            I already know the answer, because you can't. And you won't admit you are lying.

            You're lies about Reagan are typical of how all conservatives lie and avoid facts when exposed.

            I'm Jewish, Muslims have always been better to Jews than Romans and Christians throughout history.

            But if you lied about Reagan, how do I know you won't lie about Muslims in a debate?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No he didn't.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            That's your proof???

            How funny to watch the pathological liar bow his head in shame.

            Reagan DID say it, I gave you the video, you have no excuse for your lying.

            I am glad you are going to hell over these lies.

            Like all conservatives.

            Now you know why you are rejected from Navy's site.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            This from the troll who thinks the new deal wasn't big government and can't discuss the topic of the story the thread is about?

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Where is your proof that Reagan thought the New Deal was not good in 1948 as you claim.

            I am still waiting for ANYTHING besides your own opinions and lies.

            The New Deal is big government, I never said otherwise.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And once more you off topic and trying to derail the thread.

            Why would I offer proof to counter your nothing?

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            You made the claim that Reagan was not a Democrat in 1948. Every history book I've read says otherwise…so YOU need to put up some proof to your claim.

            But you can't, can you. I have caught you in a lie, and you are f u c k ed!!!

            Exposed!!!!!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Quote me.

            I said he was no liberal, even in 1948 before the party swerved to the left.

            Do you realize the democrat party used to represent the workers, and that JFK lowered taxes to stimulate the economy in the early 60's? It has not always been so communist friendly.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Show me some proof he was no liberal in 1948.

            Your opinion is not good enough. Show something that backs up your claims. A quote by Reagan, or an article or book at says he was not a liberal in 1948.

            You can't!!! You lied!!!!

            You're f u c k ed!!!

            This is like the time you lied about having a girlfriend.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why should I prove anything, you made a claim and have never shown it to be true.

            Go off and dream of baskets and heads. And why not do that from the tribal areas of Pakistan?

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            YOU made the claim,,, not me!!!!

            So come on ..prove it.

            BS artist!!!

            You are exposed!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Or what, you'll make up more lies and then get mad when I don't' waste my time on them?

            So what you going to do about it? Put my head on a stick?

            hahahahahaha…..

            Little people go in little circles.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            I already proved you are a liar.

            Pathological liars always act the way you do when exposed and asked for facts.

            I just like watching you try to BS your way out of a losing battle.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, actually you didn't. You proved you don't understand that you can't apply the changed language and labels of today with any accuracy.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Plase provide some proof and stop Bull s h i ting .

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Youfirst.

            CanyoualsoprovethatREaganwasn'tacommunistChinesewhileyou'reatit?

        • randy63ism

          Is this your way of saying that childish rant "I know you are, but what am I?" Or are you trying to eat a SPAM sandwich here?

          If you're muslim, I hope you are aware that SPAM is made from pork by-products.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Note zebulons retort, empty of facts or reason.

          Maybe zebulon can tell us who were the hijackers of the 9/11 terrorist attacks?

          A bunch of animals named some variant of the name 'mohammed'?

    • Martin Koschuttnig

      Yusuf Ali 22: 52 Never did We send a messenger or a prophet before thee, but, when he framed a desire, Satan threw some (vanity) into his desire: but Allah will cancel anything (vain) that Satan throws in, and Allah will confirm (and establish) His Signs: for Allah is full of Knowledge and Wisdom:
      #+#+#

      And I laugh at people who believe a man who admitted that Satan has put words on his mouth.
      Now which is the lie, that Satan only "once" mislead MuahamMAD the lice-ridden profeet?

    • randy63ism

      Not nearly as desparate as you clueless liberal "useful idiots" will be when you're no longer deemed useful to the muslims who come to slit your dhimmified throats (clutches neck).

      Then we'll see who gets to "cry laughing" last.

      Earth to Zeb, islam is not a race, moron. There is no intellectual vigor in such an absurd statement, and it is indicative of an embarrasingly high level of desparation. My advice, don't play Poker, you have no game face for it.

  • hammar

    islam can never conquer Heaven!
    Our Lord and God Jesus Christ will Judge all!
    muham will never be heard of again till Judgement day when he is dragged from his grave and judged!

    • Drew

      Islam's heaven is apparently a bordello providing virgins to murderers of women and children as their reward from Allah.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        I wonder if it will have a lot of nervous goats?

        • randy63ism

          Yes, very many nervous goats. Jannah (Heaven) is rife with caprasodomy and of course, plenty of caprasexual martyrs, outed from the pastures and barnyards of Dar al-islam.

          Poor, poor goats. If they don't suffer enough neck pain from being Halal slaughtered, they suffer it from having to constantly look behind their shoulders in fearful anticipation of being raped by the faithful. I believe the Arabic word for rape is "Baa!"

          Sigh, such is a goat's life, Where is PETA when you need them?

  • Anthony

    Try this thought exercise.

    Imagine the majestic fjords of Norway and Sweden, the lush greenery against a beautiful blue sky. Envision if you can, the beautiful quaint towns and villages of these beautiful countries undisturbed in their culture for a millennium.

    Now imagine the Liberal forces assembling just after WWII. They have an idea, to pervert the identity of Norway, Sweden, Germany, etc.

    How do they accomplish this evil objective?

    In true Soviet style Marxist fashion, they subvert from within.

    About the thought exercise, against the backdrop of idyllic, beautiful Scandanavia,is ten for the Idlsmic call to prayer, from the growing mumber of minarets, look for the streams of blood flowing into he street from the many makeshift slaughterhouses killing animals in the halal fashion during the so called ” Holy Month” of Ramadan. Learn about the epidemic of Moslem gang rapes on Norweegens Christisn girls in Oslo, Norway, in Malmo Sweden, everywhere.

    How much more of this intentional policy of elite tyranny from the traitorous EU. Politicos and their Modlem mercinaries imported with the direct inention of destroying our homes can be allowed?

    Something must be done and these insane leaders must be removed before it is too late.

  • Sage on the Stage

    Why are there no mosques in Poland? And only a very few, mostly in coastal areas, in China?(and none in
    Japan?) Because the Poles, Chinese and Japanese will kill the Muslims, and the Muslims know it. The West should more closely emulate the Poles, Chinese, and Japanese.

  • Ain't no Dhimmi

    New World Order needs a New World Religion.
    Also needs to take over Jerusalem by the galactic alignment December 2012 – 2016.
    Obama led the Day of prayer on the mall in September 2009.
    Where 50,000 Muslim men prayed for The Soul of America.
    A Rite or Act of Surrender.
    That is why main stream media is promoting Islam and
    Turning against Judeo/Christian values.
    Foreign policy has followed suit as well.
    The Left is the Fifth column in Islam.

  • patriothere

    What hatefilled people like the author of this piece fail to mention is that the jews are responsible for CREATING islam. They created the abrahamic religions of Islam,. christianity and judaism. So if you hate islam, you hate the jews. Focus your anger at the target. Battle the disease. Not it's symptoms.

    Also, there are great people of ALL ethnic groups, races, and religions. We all know that. But if you are going to be a hate filled bigot intolerant racist supremacist, at least do it right.

    • Zionista

      you must lose lots of blood with your knuckles dragging on the ground all the time!!

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        He does need to impress the women in his family you know.

        • randy63ism

          You mean the nanny goats in his family?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Listen, if you think you can explain to him the differences, go for it.
            Just be prepared for a lot of frustration when he can't quite grasp the concept.

          • randy63ism

            Thanks for the warning. Some people are just chronically late to the shortbus stop in spite of the fact that the bus aways stops in front of their home.

      • randy63ism

        Lol! Cobblestones must be painful.

    • Drew

      We'll get right on hating the Jews the way we despise Muslims when Jews shriek that they own the world and everyone has to become a Jew, start flying planes into buildings or bomb trains and buses killing thousands of civilians, and oh yeah, let's not forget Jews have to slaughter half a million blacks in Africa too before they can be as hate worthy as Muslims.

  • Ghostwriter

    patriothere,do you know why there are so many condemnations of Islam on this website? Because most Muslims hate everything that's non-Muslim. They scream "Death to America" every five seconds and want a river of blood in every American city. It's not the Jews' fault that Islam was created. How about you stop blaming Jews for all of the world's problems and start advocating peace for all people? Jews aren't the cause of the problem,patriothere. They've suffered more than anyone under Muslim rule. Maybe if Muslims wanted to live in peace with other people instead of trying to destroy them,then Islam would be more accepted. But they don't want to.

  • Drew

    Anthony has put his finger on the primary problem which is modern liberalism that has opened the gates of the West to Muslims despite their historic and contemporary record of supremacism, barbarism, backwardness, sloth, whining and parasitism. Libs apparently think they can use their multicult battering ram with a Muslim tip to reduce western institutions to rubble, then rule a lib "utopia" with a peasant class following the directives of their regal lib over-lords. Perhaps lib stupidity will become apparent even to themselves when they discover that the Muslims they thought they were using don't disappear in a puff of wishful thinking and have no intention of letting their useful idiot lib allies rule (as they consider them corrupt beyond redemption) but that would be too late for western civilization.

  • ahmadnb

    This is absolute nonsense. Talk about completely ignoring accounts written by Europeans who visited parts of the Middle East during the "Golden Age" of Islamic Civilization. The reasons for the fall of Islamic/Arab Civilization are not very dissimilar for the fall of Rome: It refused to advance any further scientifically, and engaged in religious fanaticism and persecution. Had Islam not able to be a civilizing power, it would never have lasted as long as it did as a military power.

    • curmudgeon

      there was no golden age, you stupid asswhipe. islam is, and always was, ignorance, crime, murder, genocide, pedophilia, homosexuality, slavery, but above all, ignorance.

      • ahmadnb

        Wanna see real ignorance and stupidity? Look in the mirror. I could wipe the floor with you. Did you finish high school???

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          You can't wipe your nose if someone hands you a tissue.

          • ahmadnb

            Roger Russell, you really need to get a life. Is someone paying you to be his/her spokeskid? You know there's a world out there, but I feel sorry for you 'cos you can't seem to leave me alone. But that's not my problem. Just let it go, sonny-boy. Go out and get your dose of Vitamin D outside and please don't reply to my posts until a few days have lapsed. I promise not to send you any nasty messages the way you do.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You seem able to spend all this time pretending the forced system of life doesn't want me dead.

            We all know after 9/11 that's not true.

          • ahmadnb

            Since when did any system want you dead? And if it did, won't you be dead already? And even if you were right, what do you intend to do about it? We're all going to die, FYI. I might die before you do…only God knows where, when and how. All I can pray for is a natural death without any pain or violence. For someone who believes he's got a passport to Paradise, you seem to be awful scared of death. And don't get me wrong…I love my life and would love to have a long life, but the ultimate decision is God's to make, not mine. My fear of death, other than the manner of my death, is my fate in the Afterlife. In your case, if someone kills you for your religious beliefs, you would automatically become a martyr.Something makes me believe that your faith in God is nowhere near as strong as you would like for me and others ere to believe.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It was mere chance who was in the world trade center towers.
            It was mere chance that the planes had the people they had.

            Those terrorists were merely upset they couldn't take even more victims.
            Just as the Ft. Hood muslim was only upset he didn't have more ammo, or bigger guns to slaughter even more.

            Something makes me believe that you pretend your faith in islam excuses your lies about it's nature.

          • ahmadnb

            Those men were not of my faith. They may have believed that they were some of the bestMuslims that ever lived, just as you believe that you are one of the best and most knowledgeable Christians that ever walked the earth. Just about every Christian I know would either laugh at you or kick you in the rear. And had I had the chance, I would have lined up those men who committed those vile acts and shot them in the balls.I am no threat to anyone, nor have I ever been. And I hope you won't have to be. But it seems to me that you'd rather go after me than after those who go out and commit acts of terrorismAnd even when I offer alternate explanations of the Qur'an that can be made to persuade many among Muslims to become more enlightened, you are dead-set on maintaining the status quo. What the hell is wrong with you?If it walks like a Mullah, yells like a Mullah, is as dumb as a Mullah and farts like a Mullah, it probably IS a Mullah. From now on your official title shall be “Mullah”. You shall be known as “Mullah Roger Russell”. Congratulations.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Those men are the true muslims. They submit to their mohammed in the way they live (sharia) and his writings (the koran) literally.

            If you go on the haj and talk about islam the way you are here, you would be killed.

          • ahmadnb

            You are a LIAR and a false Christian. Go to hell.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you're just a fake muslim stooge that doesn't even understand that what muslim militants do is louder than the words you try to fool us with.

          • ahmadnb

            A “fake Muslim stooge”? What the hell is that? My country fought against Muslim militants and won. Your govt. armed them. F**k you…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Your country? And who do you speak for?

          • ahmadnb

            I'm not an American yet, but hope to become one soon. Look up 1971.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So you won't say what government was able to overcome the militants. You won't say anything but the made up lies you think you can fool people with.

            You know, like muslims don't have to live sharia as a goal. That the koran doesn't need to be taken literally.

            What next? That you don't need to submit to allah?

          • ahmadnb

            Try Bangladesh, stupid. You're too stupid to know the difference between a lie and the truth.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Fine, are you one of the Bengali that is trying to force the Buddhist Bangladeshi's off the land?
            http://www.nytimes.com/1989/06/11/world/banglades

          • ahmadnb

            That link you gave out was in reference to non-Bengali tribal people living in the hills in the SE part of the country. Some of them are only nominally Buddhist…most are somewhat primitive and are animist. But they were not being persecuted for being Buddhist, far from it. It takes a moron like you to whittle it down to a case of persecution against Buddhists. Also, the article is dated 1989.You are such an idiot. Back in the 1980s while I lived there, the national govt. controlled TV station opened with prayer for Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and Christians. Buddha Purnima is a national holiday there and has been so for 40+ years now, as are a number of Hindu holidays and Christmas, in spite of the fact that Christians there comprise of less than 1% of the total population. You are so stupid and ignorant that Buddhists would laugh you off. Even I feel embarrassed to be even corresponding with such a pathetic ignoramus. Do you enjoy getting insulted for your stupidity? Do you have some sort of “martyr” complex…like you're being “persecuted” for your being a “Christian”?? Get lost, idiot…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So, you can't say it's not true.
            You're just distracting with dribble and can't deny it.

            You know for a fake muslim that doesn't think the koran needs to be taken literally, you're a sad sack of dog poo.

          • ahmadnb

            Like I said before…the situation there is more complicated than your pea-brain can comprehend. Go suck on your pacifier for a while.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Like I said, you' re a two faced muslim liar that is just here to use a forked tongue to smoothly deceive people that won't understand how fake you really are.
            So, why not admit it. You do understand that if a muslim doesn't aspire to live sharia their family can murder them to protect the family honor.

          • ahmadnb

            I said, get lost.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            There is a quaint American saying. I'm not sure how to spell it. It's been a while since I was a child on the playgound. But it might be all you can understand.

            "Neener Neener…"
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G5ekULBjic

            This is your attitude.

          • ahmadnb

            Like I said before…Zed & Maynard called for you. They want their Gimp back.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And did you want relief so you're not their only one?

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      This is not nonsense. I notice you completely ignore the conquest of the Christian Byzantine Empire and the Caliphe Omar burning of the library at Alexandria. There has been a militant drive for global caliphate since Mohamed captured mecca and medina.

      And your golden age was well over 700 years ago, islam under sharia is using technology from the west to even survive, it's regressing.

      • ahmadnb

        I did not support Omar's burning of the Library of Alexandria. But lest we forget, your “Christian” brethren had also committed similar acts of book burning years before that happened. And, of course, let's not forget what happened to Hypatia. Apparently, you're just fine with what happened to her…after all, she was guilty of “wearing men's clothes”. For that, she deserved what she got, according to you. Very loving and peaceful of you…sure inspires me in more ways than one.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          Why would you think I forget about Hypatia the woman who acted as a man and knew she was playing a man and in a man's world that there were risks.

          And you haven't shown what the Christians did to her was because they were actually following any teaching of Christ. I can show that the evils of islam is because of mohammed's teachings.

          9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

          • ahmadnb

            Oh, sure…let's only remember what happened in the last few decades and forget the rest, especially when it has to do with “Christians” violating their religious principles. But that's not enough…let's also forget what happens in Christian 3rd World countries. Very convenient for you…damn coward.

          • topeka

            What happens? …

            Anything to compare to the Muslims?

            Nope.

            Next question.

          • ahmadnb

            Lessee…communist terrorism, military dictatorships, rule by fiat, endemic corruption, never-ending poverty, tribalism, hunger, disease, violent religious fanaticism (even from Christians), etc. etc….I guess you don't get out much nor have you lived in any of them as I have. But then, what should I expect from you? Your world is only ruled by what you read and what you have experienced, living in a comfortable home in a relatively prosperous country under Mommy and Daddy.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You live out in them and still excuse the brutality of militant islam?

          • ahmadnb

            Hey, Mullah Roger…since when did I make excuses for militant Muslims? Go take your meds. And for dimwits like you, let me say this again: 3rd World countries are what they are, regardless of whether they contain Muslims or not. The problem is more cultural and political than religious. Religion is only an excuse for it all, made by the fools amongst the powerful when they go on their rampages.Was this too much for you to take in, as usual, Mullah Roger?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            When your religion teaches this

            9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

            And when it lives this, then religion is the problem.

            And don't bother saying it's taken out of context since the militants are living it exactly as it reads.

          • ahmadnb

            Hey, Mullah Roger, just in case you don't know, there's a lot of precedence from the earliest days of Islamic conquest that blow your entire premise out of the water. But I don't expect anything more from a mental asylum escapee.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And from the earliest days of muslim conquest they all support what I have been saying. From the treachery against the Byzantine Empire forward.

          • ahmadnb

            “Treachery”? The Byzantines got what was coming for them. Their “Christian” allies attacked and murdered Muslim missionaries. Why would God take away Jerusalem from them and give it to the Muslims if they were such good stewards of that city???

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            This sums up why I attack you.
            "The Byzantines got what was coming to them…"
            That was exactly the attitude of the militants on 9/11.

            Muslim adherents cannot be trusted to ignore huge chunks of the koran which teaches violence.

          • ahmadnb

            And what will you gain from attacking me? Absolutely nothing. You're just a pathetic little piece of sh!t who likes attention 'cos he's living in Momma's basement and collecting welfare checks or something. Failed as an author, failed in your marriage…all I need to do is pull up your public records to verify this, Roger Russell. Come clean with the rest of us. I already have, but you claim that I lie. Well, remember this: Just because YOU'RE a liar and a nincompoop doesn't mean that the rest of the world is, too.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            What do you gain by lying about islam?

          • ahmadnb

            I gain nothing from lying about Islam, which is precisely why I DON'T lie about Islam. But you're too stupid to know the difference. And besides, you didn't even answer my question to begin with. What do you have to gain from attacking me?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course you are. And it's not working very well.

            So, are you going to insult me some more for popping your balloon?

          • ahmadnb

            You couldn't pop a bubble with a pneumatic drill even if your life depended on your doing so. You're just projecting your own dishonesty and mental shortcomings on to me because it makes you forget how pathetic you really are.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Such brave words for a Bangladeshi.

            So, are you going to start advocating for the Buddhists being driven from their lands by the muslims in your country?

          • ahmadnb

            I never visited that part of the country. What I do know is that the situation is more complex than your pea-brain can comprehend. At one point in time India was against them because they sided with the Pakistanis in 1971.What I will always oppose is human rights violations against civilians. There is no excuse for such behavior. But neither will I be an advocate for terrorism on the part of the rebels, either.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So, you don't know.
            Yet you come here lecturing about it.

            That would make you exactly what you try to label me. How ironic.

          • ahmadnb

            Get lost, jackass.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why so you can make up more amusing little lies about a religion that wants me dead or forced into submission paying a jizya tax?

  • Meka

    Ahmadnb my friend, the topic of this thread has completely escaped you. Do you wear permanent blinkers?
    You peddle the myth of an 'Islamic Golden Age' on a thread which debunks that same myth.

    More than anyone, you should read the book in question – ' How Islam Killed Greco-Roman Civilization.

    Come back and comment when you have read it, your opinion might be worth hearing then, but is worthless at present, and clearly based on convenient islamic myths.

    As for Islam being a 'civilizing power', I fear you are mistaken. Islam held power through violence and intimidation and continues to use the same tactics today,. Islam is a discredited ideology that appeals to the simple minded, the uneducated, and the violent supremacists, who take comfort in its dogma of superiority.

  • Observer

    I found that many Westerners think there was "Dark Ages" in Europe, with the only surviving Civilization the Islamic Arab Civilization. I think this is happening because for many westerners "Europe" is only Western Europe. I recommend to them studying Byzantine Empire (Eastern Roman Empire) history.
    Take for example the talk of Arabs "saving" greek heritage, as if the actual greeks (the Byzantine Empire) never existed during those times. Byzantium still existed and still preserved the ancient Greek texts. The Byzantine colonies in Southern Italy were an alternative conduit through which classical Greek knowledge reached western Europe.
    The Byzantine Empire ruled Italy during the 6 century and Southern Italy until the 12 century, so it had plenty of impact on "Western Europe". It had big cultural influence in Europe, for example the Cyrillic Alphabet that you see today in Russia and some Eastern European countries was created by Byzantine scholars for the european slavs, it spread christianity in Eastern Europe and Russia, according to some sources the first European University was the University of Constantinople, founded in 425, the biggest city in Europe was Constantinople, jews were treated fairly well in Byzantium, the largest cathedral in the world until 1520 was Hagia Sophia in Constantinople etc.
    The golden byzantine coin, the nomisma, was the "euro" of european commerce until the eleventh century.

    • topeka

      Saint Cyril… hence Cyrillic.

  • dr.music

    Crime and punishment .

    islam is a crime against humanity and the world is just beginning to see this fact and now the punishment is going to be severe and final. Till there are even 2 muslims left on our planet there will be blood. It’s a fact….blood always flows where the muslim goes. Time to take out the muslim from the equation. There is an inherent deficit of clear and objective understanding in free democratic societies like USA and India about the actual objectives of Islam and what it stands for. Even in a country like India where natives have faced the barbarism of Islamic persecution for centuries very few in the present generation understand the actual 'objectives of Islam'. Denying and ignoring the facts will only lead to more bloodshed in the future as the course conductor rightly puts it that "They hate everything you stand for and will never coexist with you, unless you submit."

    • Civilus Defendus

      o9.0 Jihad means to war against non-Muslims…
      "I have been commanded to fight people until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and perform the prayer, and pay zakat, If they say it, they have saved their blood and possessions from me, except for the rights of Islam over them. And their final reckoning is with Allah." ~ Bukhari
      09.8 The caliph makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians until they become Muslim or else pay the non-Muslim poll tax.
      "Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day and who forbid not what Allah and His messenger have forbidden-who do not practice the religion of turth, being of those who have been given the Book-until they pay the poll tax out of hand and are humbled" (Koran 9:29)
      Directly from: "Reliance of the Traveller – A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law"

  • frank

    The West is not strong enough mentally to defeat the jihadists. With our nuclear arsenal, we can do it but our so called leaders are spineless. Wasn't it George Bush who called islam the "religion of peace"? What we need is a guy like George S. Patton.

  • Meka

    In reply to Frank, the West is not limited to, nor defined by, the actiions of its leaders and prominent elite.s
    It consists of hundreds of millions of citizens with intelligence and strength of character. Europe in particular
    has no more wish to be ruled by Sharia than it had to be ruled by Hitler or Stalin, and if push comes to shove, you can rely on the people of the West to defend themselves against the imposition of Sharia..

    The biggest challenge is getting people to realise the threat, before islam becomes entrenched through stealth jihad, and the fight to remain Sharia free becomes physical and deadly.

  • Weybourne1

    Religion is just a crock,a pack of lies to defend the actions of sick old men. The rapists and child molesters who have become embittered as they know they serve no useful purpose,so they made up all this filth.
    Religious discrimination should be mandatory in any developed society. Religionists need to learn that the garbage and lies that have been beaten into them are not going to be tolerated. Want religion? Fine go live in the deserts you created.

    • topeka

      Wey,

      Anti-religious societies: Communist and socialist alike have blood on their hands far beyond any religion.

      And the religion that is not a religion, a violent, totalitarian, political-economic justification for warlords; should not be counted as a religion any more than communism or nazism.

      As for living in the desert: Without Western Civilization, formed upon the culture whose cornerstone is the Bible and the Church – you would not draw breath, or life, or freedom.

      All of our law, science, and the entire positive side of our civilization is the Judeo-Christian impulse; aka Christendom; aka the West.

      The negative side: Dipsticks hi-jacking our technology and embarrassing the rest of us. Those Europeans who refuse to be civilized and act like barbarians are the ones who stained our culture with slavery, war, and other grievous sins; just as Lefty atheists stain us today with abortion, money printing, aiding our enemies, back stabbing our allies, etc.

      Our impulse to stop this nonsense, and record these crimes, is used as evidence against when in fact it is the opposite.

      Western Civilization records its guilt and obsesses over it the way Catholics obsess over porn: Because we know it's wrong and it violates our traditions.

      Other Civilizations fail to record their crimes b/c… those are their traditions.

  • topeka

    All,

    We don't need to debate Ancient History to know the truth:

    In MY life time the barbarians have:

    attacked Israel in '67; from Lebanon; and two Intifada's
    destroyed Lebanon
    slaughtered Christians in Biafra
    slaughtered pagans, Christians, and co-religionists in Uganda
    slaughtered Christians in Cyprus
    slaughtered Christians in East Timor
    slaughtered co-religionists, Christians, Jews, and Bahia in the Iraq-Iran war
    slaughtered Kurds (Baathist?)
    slaughtered co-religionists and Christians in the Sudan
    slaughtered each other in Somalia
    slaughtered Christians in Kosovo
    slaughtered Communists in Chechnya

    and terrorism…
    and child sex trafficking in Yemen, and Pakistan,
    and slavery in all their countries
    and misogyny in all their countries

    and honor killing
    and drug trafficking
    and arms trafficking
    and killing moderate co-religionists in Malaysia and Indonesia and India and Bangladesh

    … And that's just from memory as fast I can type…

    How much evil can you post in a post?

    Where's God?!!

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      He's watching, and not amused.

  • hita

    if islam wants to stay, it has to reinvent itself, rewrite quran, and start respecting other religions. ironically islam is rigid about everything said here

  • Trooper753

    This site seems to promote ads for untruths and so I want nothing to do with it or anything else. I am not muslim and dont like muslims, but the video of Dearborn, MI is advertised on here and a major deception. Those people were lucky after taunting them at an arab festival to be alive. Trying to force people to listen to you interupting their festival to tell them they are going to roast in hell and then goading them into and planting thoughts to thrown things at them and even still hanging around to video tape it to get pity. Its dispicable! And you promoting it is just as bad.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jean.muldrew Jean Muldrew

    Emmet Scott's book would be even more interesting if had been informed by Robert Spencer's book "Did Mohammed Exist?". Until 715 or later Islam had not "kicked in". I just wonder what DID change for the Arabs in the 7th century that caused them to start defeating everyone.

  • mahtik atik

    it’s unfurtunate dat u people are shallow thinkers, you have limited knowledge of wat islam truly x. No 1 can justify, censure, or condemn another, bcoz at lst no truly knw another. Before u condemn wat so eva things x, u beta seek itz knowledge nd wen u r nt satisfied with it, then you can criticize. Buh watch ur self or u burn your self

  • John Stone

    I read the book and I can not recommend it. It may or may be accurate in what it seeks to prove, but it really did not prove anything to me. The author never assembled the information well enough for an easy development and I did not want to struggle with it.

  • RalphQ

    Where are the 308 comments promised above?

  • RalphQ

    Okay, the comments have magically reappeared. Thanks — the comments provide a very enlightening discussion.