Irrational Fear of Islam?


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Editor’s note: To read and order David Horowitz’ and Robert Spencer’s pamphlet,  Islamophobia: Thought Crime of the Totalitarian Future, click here.

In his book How the West Was Lost, the Russian-born author Alexander Boot suggested that Westerners no longer live in a democracy but in a glossocracy, the government of the word, by the word and for the word.

One could posit that we live in a world dominated at least as much by images, especially moving images in the form of television and movies, as by words, but words clearly matter. In many cases, those who coin new words, or manage to force the public to accept their definition of old words, win the struggle. In practice, this is done by those who control the propaganda flow, in the education system and the mass media.

We now have a term for an imaginary problem: Islamophobia. It has become the subject of international conferences and is treated as a threat to world peace. In contrast, racist violence against people of European origins, a very real problem from South Africa via North America to Western European suburbs, does not exist because we have no special word for it. This is word magic. “Tolerance” and “diversity” mean dispossessing Europeans from the countries their ancestors created, whereas “intolerance,” “hate” and “racism” imply any opposition by Europeans to their own dispossession and organized national destruction.

On Aug. 25 2012, the columnist Doug Saunders published an essay in The Globe and Mail, the largest-circulation national newspaper in Canada, entitled “The unfounded fear of Muslim immigration.” He there engaged in the (by now mandatory) exercise of mentioning Islam-critical individuals such as Bruce Bawer, Thilo Sarrazin, Geert Wilders, Gisele Littman (Bat Ye’or) and Mark Steyn alongside the confessed mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik. Although the author added that these writers have never “explicitly advocated violence,” he seemed to suggest that they implicitly contributed to Breivik’s massacre by writing truthfully about how Muslim immigration is affecting Western countries.

Doug Saunders is the London-based European bureau chief for The Globe and Mail who “writes a weekly column devoted to the larger themes and intellectual concepts behind international news, and has won the National Newspaper Award, Canada’s counterpart to the Pulitzer Prize, on four occasions.” He is completing a book about the alleged myth that a tidal wave of Muslim immigration is threatening the Western world. He admits that in London he can witness a rapidly growing Islamic presence first-hand and that large sections of that and other European cities are now dominated by non-Europeans, but he claims this isn’t a problem:

What unites the ideologies of al-Qaeda and of the “Eurabia” and “Muslim tide” writers is a common belief that there is one creature called “the Muslim” and another called “the Westerner.” Yet there is no such distinction. Muslims are adopting the universal values of our society in the same way (not always easy [sic]) as other religious minorities. The shisha bar and the kebab shop are becoming part of Western culture, much like espresso and Yiddish expressions – but there is no threat to our core values.

Less than a month after these words were written, violent anti-Western protests and riots swept across the Islamic world, targeting Western embassies while using an obscure movie as a pretext for this Jihad.

On August 26 2012, writer Nathan Lean published an op-ed in The Los Angeles Times using the Breivik trial as a verbal stick to beat those writing about Islamization into submission, claiming that “heightened anxiety over the presence of Muslims in Europe and the United States has ignited a string of attacks on the faith community.” That’s nonsense. On the contrary, nearly every week we see stories about Muslim immigrant gangs harassing the natives in European cities, sometimes even attacking the police armed with guns.

Lean specifically singled out such writers as Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller for allegedly agitating a “climate of hate” in North America and beyond. He concluded his essay by stating that “The discourse of hate must be stopped before it affects other extremists.” As Spencer — who lives with death threats from Muslims due to his writings — commented at Jihad Watch, this is a barely concealed call for restricting freedom of speech.

Lean writes about the existence of what he terms an “Islamophobia industry” of evil right-wingers in the Western world who are nasty and spread prejudice against tolerant Muslims for no particular reason other than being mean. He has contributed to The Huffington Post, a very large and usually left-leaning news website and Internet newspaper, where he has stated that “Islamophobia is undeniably a form of racism.” Not surprisingly, his writings are being praised by the notoriously pro-Islamic author Karen Armstrong, who claims that virulent Islamophobia is now “endangering world peace.”

Nathan Lean soon after followed up with yet another article in the Los Angeles Times arguing that the general public led by enlightened activists must from now on “publicly shame” and “marginalize” Islam-critical writers, who, according to him, breed terrorism by warning against groups like the Muslim Brotherhood.

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  • kafir4life

    Fear of the members of the gutter cult??? Never!!
    Disgust and contempt?? Absolutely!!
    Fearing the gutter cult of islam is like fearing little balls of poop stuck to a dog's rear, but with a better odor.

  • http://www.facebook.com/blossom.kelley.9 Blossom Kelley

    Disgust. Pity. contempt. Absolutely.

  • Mike

    Islam is the counterfeit religion satan has invented to try to prevent people to know the real God "Adonai" We should never fear the truth of Jesus Christ, the true son of God who died for the sins of the world. There is only one God and it is NOT allah!

    • Supreme_Galooty

      Allah may well indeed be the Father of Jesus. You have no way of knowing the truth of it, at least not any way in which you can convey that knowledge rationally to others.

      Mohammed, on the other hand, is a fraud, and so is his vicious little "religion."

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        We know he's not the father of Jesus.

        One values life and works to elevate mankind. One has no value for life and makes death a release from the suffering of sharia.

        • Supreme_Galooty

          You are confusing Allah with Mohammed. And, unless you have God Consciousness, you can't possibly know that Allah is not "God the Father" as He is referred to by Christians. This is a seemingly petty point, but I believe it is possible that the "Allah" referred to by Musselmen is the "One True God" of the Jews, and "God the Father" of the Christians.

          A base, tawdry, and vicious religion can easily be built upon such a God. After all, the builder was a base, tawdry and vicious pederast.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You are confusing your talking points with facts.

            Either mohammed the prophet spoke for allah or he didn't. If mohammed claimed he did and demands all that violence, then either allah is all powerful and would have stopped him, or he's a fake.

            In either case, he's not the Same Almighty that Israel serves and that Christians love through the Christ's love and sacrifice.

          • Supreme_Galooty

            I do not deal in "talking points," and facts are irrelevant here since we are talking about an uncreated being that cannot be known by the five senses of mere humans. You have apparently read my comment. It is obvious on the face of it that you have completely misunderstood it.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You are using talking points. That's a common one for muslims btw.And if we let the religions define the attributes of the being they worship then those definitions are as good as any. And the traits that islam lays on allah contradicts and opposes those of the Creator/Almighty of Judaism and Christianity. Just because you want to think they're the same doesn't mean it works that way.

          • Supreme_Galooty

            You are conflating "God" with "Religion."

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, I'm not. I'm addressing your points and explaining why to me they make no sense at all. allah isn't the father of Jesus, the father of Jesus has totally different characteristics even according to the writings about allah.

            You're just still stuck in the talking points.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "unless you have God Consciousness, you can't possibly know that Allah is not "God the Father" as He is referred to by Christians"

            There is not 1 single solitary reason to believe this is true unless you believe Mohammed, who you agreed was a fraud. You've implied that Christians have no reason to feel confident in what they have been taught about the God of the Bible.

            "I believe it is possible that the "Allah" referred to by Musselmen is the "One True God" of the Jews, and "God the Father" of the Christians."

            Only in the sense that they believe the Christians and Jews once worshiped "Allah." It's on their list of lies.

            Allah is the name ascribed to a pagan god. Pagan gods are false. Allah is a false god. There is no "Allah" as God of anything but lies.

          • Supreme_Galooty

            Faith is a virtue, and it cannot be argued with for it does not depend on evidence or logic. Those who value logic above all do themselves a disservice by eliminating, or at least diminishing, the role of Faith in their lives. If you honestly believe that Allah is a pagan god, then argument is futile.

            Many Christians believe that Scripture is "The Word of God," and is Divinely inspired. I believe that their faith is misplaced, and there we have an impasse. While I do not deny the possibility they are right, (For how can I, a mere Galooty, possibly know?) I prefer to believe the words of Christ: "Seek not the Law in scripture which is the work of the hands of men and is without life…. God wrote not the laws in the pages of books, but in your heart and in your spirit."

            It is my belief that Allah is the same loving God of Jesus and Moses, and what the Muhammadans have have done in His name is pure evil.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            How can you be sure if faith if a virtue or not? That's as unknowable as your claims about allah being the father of Jesus.

            We're at an impasse. You just aren't making any sense.

            And either allah the all powerful would have stopped mohammed from mischaracterizing him, or he's the powerless false god and an excuse for evil. Either way, the's not the same as the loving God of Abraham and the father of Christ.

          • Supreme_Galooty

            Well, by golly, Roger, thou hast certainly spoken… and spoken… to such an extent that I am perfectly content with an impasse. Pax vobiscum.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you have certainly blathered, and blathered. You've blathered to such an extent that you didn't even try to defend or explain yourself even again.

            And we're not at an impasse. You said something that didn't make sense I explained why and you're left looking like a galoot.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Faith is a virtue, and it cannot be argued with for it does not depend on evidence or logic."

            You're talking explicitly about "blind faith." I have faith in my car based on evidence.

            "Those who value logic above all do themselves a disservice by eliminating, or at least diminishing, the role of Faith in their lives."

            Where did you get that pearl of wisdom?

            "If you honestly believe that Allah is a pagan god, then argument is futile. "

            I honestly know based on evidence that Allah is a pagan god. Argument with you is futile. You believe in blind faith. What's to talk about?

            "Many Christians believe that Scripture is "The Word of God," and is Divinely inspired. I believe that their faith is misplaced,"

            So, your blind faith is superior to the rational reasonable faith of Christians? You take this position because blind faith is ipso facto superior according to you. OK, noted. What's the point of your evangelism. Shouldn't you encourage people to just go sit in a corner and dream up any favorite delusion?

            "While I do not deny the possibility they are right, (For how can I, a mere Galooty, possibly know?) I prefer to believe the words of Christ: "Seek not the Law in scripture which is the work of the hands of men and is without life…. God wrote not the laws in the pages of books, but in your heart and in your spirit."

            Why would you believe those are the words of Christ? Oh yeah, blindness. But Christians who quote the Bible with confidence are…what did you say?

            You are so confused. I advise you to stop wasting your time confusing others until you make some sense out of your own arguments.

            "It is my belief that Allah is the same loving God of Jesus and Moses, and what the Muhammadans have have done in His name is pure evil. "

            People like you are the reason atheists joke about the "flying spaghetti monster."

          • Supreme_Galooty

            It appears I have stepped over on the dark side of doctrinaire Christianity, and have thus reaped derision and unwelcome advice. Perhaps people like you are the reason atheists joke about chocolate pudding.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Faith is a virtue, and it cannot be argued with for it does not depend on evidence or logic."

            You're talking explicitly about "blind faith." I have faith in my car based on evidence.

            "Those who value logic above all do themselves a disservice by eliminating, or at least diminishing, the role of Faith in their lives."

            Where did you get that pearl of wisdom?

            "If you honestly believe that Allah is a pagan god, then argument is futile. "

            I honestly know based on evidence that Allah is a pagan god. Argument with you is futile. You believe in blind faith. What's to talk about?

            "Many Christians believe that Scripture is "The Word of God," and is Divinely inspired. I believe that their faith is misplaced,"

            So, your blind faith is superior to the rational reasonable faith of Christians? You take this position because blind faith is ipso facto superior according to you. OK, noted. What's the point of your evangelism. Shouldn't you encourage people to just go sit in a corner and dream up any favorite delusion?

            "While I do not deny the possibility they are right, (For how can I, a mere Galooty, possibly know?) I prefer to believe the words of Christ: "Seek not the Law in scripture which is the work of the hands of men and is without life…. God wrote not the laws in the pages of books, but in your heart and in your spirit."

            Why would you believe those are the words of Christ? Oh yeah, blindness. But Christians who quote the Bible with confidence are…what did you say?

            You are so confused. I advise you to stop wasting your time confusing others until you make some sense out of your own arguments.

            "It is my belief that Allah is the same loving God of Jesus and Moses, and what the Muhammadans have have done in His name is pure evil. "

            People like you are the reason atheists joke about the "flying spaghetti monster."

          • Kufar Dawg

            Telling the truth to your muslime lie is how the rest of your islamofascist brethren are treating Christians and Jews all over the world right now, as well as in the ugly, bloody, intolerant past of islamofascism.

      • Pontotoc Bill

        Looking at the fruits of Christianity and Islam, it is clear that Islam is a demonic religion with allah actually being Satan.

      • ahmad

        Allah can not be the Father of JESUS, because he does not love and is incapable of love

      • Stonewall

        Our Founding Fathers understood God to be the Author of life, liberty and creative pursuit of happiness. Allah is a god of murder, subjugation and destructive pursuit of happiness. Allah appears to be the opposite of the God described in our Declaration of Independence, and by his attributes is a god of tyranny, and thus similar to the Devil.

  • MikeWood

    I think the key insights that you need in order to get the "Islamophobic" perspective is that sense of continuity between the original actions and teachings of Muhammad; the history of conquest and domination based on those actions and teachings (the Sunna); the dreadful state of the Muslim world with its combination of chaos and tyranny which are the fruits of the Sunna; and awareness of the unassimilated and largely inassimilable masses of muslim immigrants to the non-muslim world and their high birth rates and trend towards radicalisation. Unless people put these 4 components together they just don't get it. It amazes me just how blind and insouciant many people are and how others get things completely backwards.

    • Supreme_Galooty

      It is interesting that in the history of conquest, the conquered are assimilated, usually as slaves, only if they are valuable or useful to the conqueror. Otherwise they have been driven off of their lands or slain.

      In modern times, this principle has been ignored at considerable peril. The faux Palestinians would be a prime example. Were one to conquer Persia today, enslavement might be the best option. Such would not be the case in Egypt, Libya, or Arabia.

    • Kufar Dawg

      People are mostly "blind and insouciant" to the reality of islam because of the relentless propaganda about islam that is taught/presented in universities, secondary schools, periodicals (National Geographic has been whitewashing islam for decades) and the MSM.

    • mohammed nasir

      dear mike, I agree whatever u have written,and absolutely muslims r not in a good condition viz a viz actually they could have been today.this deterioted condition has happened due to not following /practicing proper islam.having said that u plz compare other civilisation in terms of rate of crimes among various communitieslike theft ,murders ,rape,extra marital crimes,disease due to alchoholism,aids,parkinson,drugs addictions,sodogamy,lesbianism,crimes due to gambling,prostitution among females,war crimes commited by jews and christians in 1400 years,and then compare with muslim communities. I AM SURE U WILL B MORE CLOSE TO THE REAL ANALYSIS AS U R VERY INTELLIGENT PERSON. THANX. BY WING COMMANDER MOHAMMED NASIR

  • pierce

    Can Islam be compared to Nazism. I think so, and now I will be a marked man.

    • Lan Astaslem

      at least the nazis wanted to live – the crazy inbred muslims love death and can't wait to get their slimy hands on those virgins – hey, after banging goats and dead broads, live virgins sound pretty sweet

    • curmudgeon

      islam CAN be compared to nazism, but it just is not politically correct to make nazis look that good.

  • davarino

    I dont fear muslims, only the ones that follow the koran and its "prophet"

    • Larry

      In other words, muslims. If they don't follow the koran and it's "prophet" they aren't muslims, because they don't submit.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        That surah 9 mandate seems to motivate a lot of muslim activists.

    • David, Thailand

      Can you distinguish between the two? If so, you should consider offering your services in Afghanistan where infidel bodies are piling up because our "experts" don't know the difference.

  • cruiser navy 67

    Islam is not a religion, but a hateful murderous ideology that the muslims follow.

  • Tzila

    It is not unusual for a new word introduced into the lexicon to have its meaning changed. I believe that history will play out so that the meaning of Islamophobia will come to mean the intense irrational fear of being killed by a suicide Islamofacist murderer(s)

  • gus owens

    It is reasonable and prudent to coin the term "Islamaphobia". Suicide bombing is insane and trying to outlaw any criticism of your religion is also insane. People who approve of these things are insane and to be feared.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      Adding "phobia" to a descriptive word or phrase implies the one possessing the fear to be irrational, as opposed to a rational fear of Islam, Nazism, sharks, poison, etc.

  • Peter Johnston

    "…fear is the beginning of wisdom. " I believe these words are attributed to the great civil war general Sherman. Unless you are so deluded by a leftist ideological frame of mind that you are simply incapable of acknowledging the ugly reality of Islamic brutality worldwide you are wise and indeed obligated to take ownership and cultivate among others this entirely justifiable and healthy fear of Islam( islamophobia). We must wear this word like a badge of honor and win the war of words in defeating the savages and their useful idiots here at home.
    Puc canada

    • john in cheshire

      Peter' I agree with one proviso :It is not irrational to fear islam, it is What all of us normal people should be feeling. Therefore, it is not a phobia, rather the rational fear of brutal and merciless enemy.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "…fear is the beginning of wisdom. " I believe these words are attributed to the great civil war general Sherman. "

      http://bible.cc/proverbs/9-10.htm

      • Peter johnston

        Yes . I was aware of the biblical source of the words " fear is the beginning …" . It was only lately That I happened on the use of these same words by general Sherman in the context of the civil war. In this context of islamofascism the biblical words have for me even greater import.
        Puc canada

  • VAN BELLE Jean Marc

    glossocracy… Jezus Christ used probably a similar term to fight as 'legalism', see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalism_(theology) ____The idea that one pictures 'says' more than a thousand figures or words, is false however: A picture only telse one thing that can easily and visually be comprehensed by our brains (as far as we might think using or might use by 'thinking them').____Do not let us spill to much word to this? +JMVB (Jean Marc VAN BELLE)____

  • Tabris

    Islam critical writers don't breed "Terrorism", instead they encourage "Resistance" against Islamic domination.

    Islamophobia is a word that can not exist. It contains two terms that contradict each other. Pretty much all people on this planet that know about of Islam or have dealt with it have some level of fear of it. Some more than others, but the people that fear Islam most are the Muslims themselves. For them the consequences are most severe if not obeying by the Islamic rules. As a matter of fact Islam is purely founded on instilling fear in the hearts of believers and non believers. It is a fear based religion used to control people by their power elite, the mullahs. Furthermore you have unbelievers that purely out of fear collaborate with Islam and betray their own folk. Under the disguises of human rights, multiculturalism and misplaced Christian behavior they welcome hordes of Muslims into the western countries. This is despicable or even evil conduct because in the back of their mind they know very well that Islam and democracy don't mix. Eventually this will lead to anarchy, bloodshed and mass murder. But maybe that is exactly what they want.

    • Drakken

      We are headed to civil war much to the chagrin and denial of useful idiot leftist. We are at the tipping point and all it is going to take is an act so egregious that is shocks the concious that people will take up arms and make the Serbs look like sunday school children by comparrison, the one thing us westerners have in spades is our inate ability to wage total war when we are pushed to far.

      • curmudgeon

        when we do finally rebel against islam and its useful idiots, i hope serbia isnt here to bomb us into submission. we certainly deserve it if they do. our going to war against serbia to enforce islamic ethnic cleansing in the balkans was a crime against humanity, and the blame for that crime is squarely on the shoulders of our traitor party and its compliant media, which will agree with anything, no matter how profoundly wrong, a democrat decides to commit.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "i hope serbia isnt here to bomb us into submission. we certainly deserve it if they do. our going to war against serbia to enforce islamic ethnic cleansing in the balkans was a crime against humanity, and the blame for that crime is squarely on the shoulders of our traitor party and its compliant media"

          Forgiveness is foundational to Judeo Christian theology and has been largely adopted by "post Christian" humanists too. I think we don't need to worry about Serbia.

      • Kufar Dawg

        How does the expression go? The roots of the tree of liberty must be watered by the blood of tyrants.

    • MikeWood

      You make a really good point, Tabris. Islam is feared by everyone. It is designed to be fear inducing.

  • curmudgeon

    hydrophobia–the root word on which all the political liberal ____________phobias (just fill in the blank) are based. hydrophobia: the irrational fear of water? no. hydrophobics have a viral disease that has paralyzed their swallowing mechanism. they dont fear water–they just cant swallow it. so where does this islamoliberal crap about ___________phobia (just fill in the blank, any group favored by liberals will do) come from? the irrational bull feces was invented by liberal enemies of society, and sold to the gullible, who eat it up and repeat the stupidity fed them by liberals. phobia is not irrational fear, it is just the inability to swallow the favorite crap the liberals are feeding us. thats all. anyone who is not liberalphobic, or crapophobic, or islamophobic just doesnt know what o'clock it is.

    • Supreme_Galooty

      That is a unique perspective that I've not heard before, and it is well worth further consideration. Bravo.

  • http://tarandfeathersusa.wordpress.com/ Iratus Vulgas

    Attaching the "phobia" suffix at the end of words is one of more clever ways liberals deceive and construct dishonest arguments. It's used to shut down the argument. By creating pseudo-clinical words, liberals can give themselves an altitude of medical authority as if they're merely quoting from the APA "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders." It implies that if you disagree with a particular issue, you are clinically dysfunctional. Clever. It allows liberals to simply end the argument there. The strategy of this brand of argument is essentially, "You're crazy, therefor further discussion is pointless."

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "Attaching the "phobia" suffix at the end of words is one of more clever ways liberals deceive and construct dishonest arguments. It's used to shut down the argument. By creating pseudo-clinical words, liberals can give themselves an altitude of medical authority as if they're merely quoting from the APA "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders."

      They got arrogant after we tolerated all of their new language from political correctness efforts.

  • Ghostwriter

    Unfortunately,the Muslim world has given Americans more than ample reason to be afraid of them.

  • Danny Rahson

    Fjordman, your wisdom continues to serve as a light to the world. THANK YOU for your bravery in the face of cultural marxist traitors who go after you for telling the truth. Never stop talking! Islam is a cancer. We must cut it out

  • Fritz

    Hmm, the definition of a phobia is a fear of something, usually an irrational fear. Well those criticizing radical Islam do not have a fear of Islam, on the contrary they wish to confront and shine the light of truth on the dark and savage underbelly of that faith. The ones that seem to have a fear of it are those calling for anti blasphemy laws and politically correct speech codes so we do not "offend" the more extreme practitioners of Islam so that they will stop carrying out terrorist acts.
    The problem is of course that the Liberal Left does not understand Islamic, and in particular, Arab cultural. Kneeling , pleading, apologizing, and just generally walking on eggshells with regard to unacceptable or violent behavior is seen as a sign of weakness in the Islamic world and invites more of the same. It's like attempting to pay off a blackmailer, it's impossible, the more you pay the more they will demand, if you hit back you may experience some short term pain or humiliation but at least you will break the cycle. What these useful idiots on the Left and in the media are doing is an invitation to blackmail, go ahead and bomb our embassy, kidnap, rape, and murder, and we will reward you for it.

    • curmudgeon

      jimmuh carters words after the iranians kidnapped and held hostage our embassy personnel: we will do anything, just give us back the hostages. the result: the iranian mullahs held the hostages 444 days, and only released them on reagan's inauguration. seems the democrats had smeared reagan as a madman with his finger itching to pull the nuclear trigger. the mullahs were listening too much to the lies of their democratic party friends. only time i can recall that the democrats actually accomplished something good, but it was not intentional.

  • gman213

    Radical Muslims may find their match with a bunch of well armed redneck, crazy ass Americans who ain't afraid to blast a cap into their asses. We are getting armed and ready to do the work our government won't do…protect us!

  • gman213

    I fear no man…only the Lord God Almighty!

  • Curlyhammed

    Islamopity is more appropriate. Too bad evolution didn't make it to the Middle East.

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  • Heikneuter

    Hardline Muslims are like the japs and Nazi's of the second world war. They will only back down from their reign of terror when they will be faced with utter destruction. Perhaps one might have to push throught to the bitter this time. Western countries can and WILL adapt and will ultimately deal with the defeatists (to put it nicely) in their ranks, mark my words.
    In the roaring 20's the western world was having a swinging party, 20 years later they were stomping their enemies into the ground. It's a cycle. After Islam, China might be next. Who knows.