Obama’s War on Low-Income Women

Frank Crimi is a San Diego-based writer and author of the book Raining Frogs and Heart Attacks. You can read more of Frank's work at his blog,www.politicallyunbalanced.com.


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The Obama administration has gone to the defense of Planned Parenthood with its decision to cut funding for a Texas health program for low-income women, a decision which comes as the nation’s largest abortion provider faces mounting allegations of widespread fraud.

In June 2011 the Texas legislature passed a law barring Planned Parenthood clinics and other “affiliates of abortion providers” from participating in Texas’s Women’s Health Program (WHP), a state program that provides women’s health services to approximately 130,000 low-income women

However, since its passage in 2011, the Obama administration has steadfastly maintained that the Texas law violates federal Medicaid regulations requiring that women have a choice in medical care.

The state of Texas has strenuously argued that under federal law, states administer Medicaid and have the right to set the criteria for providers in the program. As a spokeswoman for Texas Health and Human Services said, “That is what Texas is doing.”

In fact, Texas is just one of 11 states to have eliminated or decreased funding to Planned Parenthood affiliates in 2011.

For example, New Jersey has cut $7.5 million of Title X funding from Planned Parenthood and redirected it to health centers that do not provide abortions; New Hampshire has declined to renew a $1.8 million contract with Planned Parenthood; and Indiana has voted to prohibit state funding of Planned Parenthood and other entities that provide elective abortions.

These and other efforts have served to cost Planned Parenthood — which receives 46 percent ($487 million) of its $1 billion annual budget from government grants and Medicaid – about $80 million at the state level.

Not surprisingly then, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), which funds 90 percent of WHP’s $40 million budget, has been threatening to discontinue funding WHP unless Texas fully funds Planned Parenthood as a provider for the program.

Those threats have now become a reality as HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius recently announced that the Obama administration will not extend WHP’s Medicaid funding when the program’s renewal expires on March 31.

For his part Texas Governor Rick Perry has pledged to find state money to keep WHP afloat — despite the state running a $15 billion deficit — but was quick to decry the “clear demonstration of the political motivation behind this decision.”

That motivation may be directly traced to the fact that despite Planned Parenthood accounting for only two percent of WHP’s 2,500 Medicaid providers, the organization stands to lose $17 million if it is excluded from the Texas program.

The Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) CEO, Cecile Richards, laid the blame of the Obama administration’s decision squarely at the feet of the Texas state government, saying that it was now “throwing hundreds of thousands of folks off of basic preventive care.”

It should be noted that Planned Parenthood claims that 90 percent of the “basic preventative care” provided by its clinics centers on contraceptive counseling, birth control, screenings for breast and cervical cancer, and treatment for sexually transmitted diseases.

Of course, many believe that performing abortions remains the fundamental service provided by Planned Parenthood, a belief buttressed by a 2007 report on the organization that found that one out of three clients who walk into a Planned Parenthood clinic go on to have abortions.

As such, proponents of the Texas law argue that WHP funds should be going to healthcare agencies that — unlike Planned Parenthood clinics — provide comprehensive primary and preventative care, including prenatal care, breast cancer treatment, and mammograms.

For Planned Parenthood, the Texas decision is just the latest in a series of setbacks for the nation’s largest provider of abortions, one that performs over 300,000 such procedures a year.

That menu of troubles includes Planned Parenthood affiliates coming under criminal investigation by prosecutors and regulatory agencies in Arizona, Indiana, Alabama, and Kansas for allegations of fraud and misuse of health-care and family-planning funds.

These allegations include overbilling for prescription drugs; improperly claiming services as family planning-related; billing for medically unnecessary services; billing for multiple initial prenatal care visits; and incorrectly billing initial, follow-up, and postpartum services.

In California and Texas, two federal “whistleblower” lawsuits have been filed by two former Planned Parenthood employees alleging massive Medicaid fraud.

In the Texas lawsuit, the Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast (PPGC) is alleged to have engaged in a fraudulent $6 million billing scheme that charged 87,000 reimbursement claims to Medicaid for services patients did not receive and which were not covered by Medicaid.

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  • FatSean

    I'm sure private religious charities will step up to the plate.

    • Rifleman

      They always do, but I think you're onto something. Let private leftwing charities pay for their own handouts, not taxpayers.

  • Ken

    I notice you did not present all the money made, most of their money made, by Planned Parenthood. Conveniently "Left" out? Probably.

    • Rifleman

      What are you talking about?

  • kentatwater

    This craven act on the part of the regime is objective proof that their priority is not women's health, but keeping the abortion mills churning.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      They never miss a chance to use any crisis for their spin cycle.

  • maturin20

    Someone said the Republicans have a War on Women. Quick! Write an article saying that the Democrats also have a War on Women. Then Romney will win!

    • Rifleman

      If the shoe fits, make 'em wear it. Maybe the dp/left will think twice about projecting themselves on the GOP, after it blows up in their faces a few times.

  • maturin20

    Maybe it's irrelevant, since both parties are garbage.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      What a great reason to join the tea party and push for a return to traditional values on freedom and liberties.

      I find it curious that this president that pushes for abortion based on 'choice' has the healthcare plan that does so much to remove choice from patients.

      • maturin20

        I support both populist parties. I don't do what they do though. Who wants to sleep in the street or hang Obama from a tree? Not me.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          And neither do republicans.

          • maturin20

            No, but the ones who call him a Muslim extremist and a Marxist and a terrorist do. Those are not indictments from the left, they are indictments from the right, if you in fact consider neoconservatives to be of the right.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You're full of it.

            Either provide a source or a retraction.

          • maturin20

            Pop in your DVD-R. The Townhall.com site download is going to take a long time.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So you don't have a source and you're too intolerant to retract.

          • maturin20

            Is that what your mom said to your dad?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Out of talking points this early in the day?

            So, back to the fallback of strawman arguments and personal attacks.
            The left is so predictable.

          • maturin20

            It's entropy. All it takes these days to be called a leftist is to refuse to step and fetch it.

  • sedoanman

    If you can rationalize the killing of the innocent, you can easily rationalize stealing a million or ten.

  • Rifleman

    It reminds me of the debt showdown, when hussein took hostages and accused the GOP of taking hostages, while he was pointing the gun. If the acorn of health care, planned parenthood, isn’t funded by Texas, hussein will pull the trigger on the hostages, and it will somehow be the GOP’s fault, and they somehow made him do it.

    This isn’t about women’s health, or even abortion, it’s about the hussein administration shaking down the state of Texas to protect the cash flow of taxpayer money to his crooked friends.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      That, and he's training us to accept his powers as dictator.

  • maturin20

    It's funny. It's like if I say "the sky is blue" and you demand a link to verify that.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      It's not funny. You'd make the claim the republican sky is racist and wants to lynch Obama then get upset when I would ask for a source.

      • maturin20

        Not really. I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican. I hate both sides equally.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          Really? You did just say this.

          "No, but the ones who call him a Muslim extremist and a Marxist and a terrorist do. Those are not indictments from the left, they are indictments from the right, if you in fact consider neoconservatives to be of the right."

          Clearly your talking points don't match each other very well.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    And another list of attacks with out any foundation or sources.

    Obama gave BP awards before the gulf spill. Obama have Immelt special status and appointments at the time GE paid no taxes. Obama is the one that attacked Libya when there was no threat there at the time to our security. And yes, Obama is the one that wanted to impose control over the internet.

    Your talking points aren't working very well.
    Are you going to revert to personal attacks, or more straw man arguments now?

    • maturin20

      I KNOW HE DID. I never said a good thing about Obama. I didn't even vote for Obama.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        So you realize you're always wrong.

        How sad.

        • maturin20

          Right, wrong. Who cares?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            That explains so much.

            Who cares? You waste the time of everyone here that disagrees with you.

          • maturin20

            People shouldn't disagree with me. I am not saying falsehoods.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You are avoiding being factual and people know better than to agree with your 'propaganda'.

            Goebbels would probably have some more pointers for you.

          • maturin20

            If your criterion of factuality is internet hyperlinks, then yes. I am avoiding that, because it is dopey.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why not just quote the jabberwocky, as far as gibberish goes it has much more class than the dribble you use here.
            http://www.jabberwocky.com/carroll/jabber/jabberw

          • maturin20

            If you want to have a real laugh, transliterate the phonemes into Hebrew.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Gibberish is gibberish.

            I had considered this a serious site for serious issues.

            If you just toss out gibberish isn't there a more appropriate place than here where you don't want to be effected by real world facts?

          • maturin20

            There are serious issues. I think Jewish racism is a very serious issue.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Do you? Or is it another of those times 'right and wrong' just don't matter to you?

          • maturin20

            Right and wrong are simple matters of moral conformity. I think they are irrelevant to goal aquisition.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why not just quote from the jabberwocky in Hebrew,It would make more sense.

          • maturin20

            Lewis Carroll can't be translated.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Then why did you say this?”If you want to have a real laugh, transliterate the phonemes into Hebrew.”

          • maturin20

            Because it was Tuesday.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Finally, a comment from you that actually makes sense and required reasoned logic.

  • Anne Havranek

    Abortion is a godsend for pedophiles. Take the under-age victim in for a secret abortion to destroy the evidence. Then happily take her back home to continue to be sexually abused!

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      Parental consent would make that more difficult, wouldn't it?

  • hajida

    PPH lobbies Democrates using money from government and provides votes to them, while in return it gets lots of money, and this cycle consinues over and over….

    See this picture?

  • kafir4life

    Isn't it interesting that the original intent of PP was to reduce the number of Black children, in effect an attempt at genocide. And it's the left that support this form of genocide.

    I am SOOOOOO looking forward to the identification of the "gay gene". Perhaps that can be used to eliminate gays. The left will go KABLOOIE at the suggestion! "But, but, but….we have the choice to decide what type of child to have, yes? We can use genetic screening to determine the state of the fetus, yes? And if I don't want a girl, I can terminate, yes? If the child is genetically damaged, I can termintate, yes? Then I would prefer to not have a gay child. Terminate."

  • Howard

    "It's an election year…time to whip up the base about abortion…."

    Ah…So thats what your doing.

    I thought it was a little funny that you chose to ignore the allegations of fraud, waste and abuse by PP and this administrations defunding of non-abortion womens health services in Texas as political "pay back" and concentate on the abortion aspects. Odd too that you ignore the charges of PP covering up the crimes of sex trafficers and child rapists.

    Theres more to protecting the rights of women and girls than abortion rights, you know.

    If PP cannot continue to provide aborion services without state or federal funding, that is if they cannot find private donors for abortion services, then they deserve to go out of business. You may have a right to a abortion but you do not have the right to demand that taxpayers pay for it. And PP certainly has no right to engage in deception about how public money is used.

  • kentatwater

    Troll sez:
    This "report" is a 2007 Weekly Standard opinofact "article". So it's a belief buttressed by the belief of an article whose original intent was to malign PP as a company bloated with money from abortions.

    but:
    Thus, Planned Parenthood, according to the organization’s 2010 annual report, is able to sell abortions to nine out of every 10 pregnant women it encounters, earning the organization $164 million in revenue in the process.

    Guess you missed that part of the report, huh?

  • Zionista

    dummy – educate yourself and do a little research on margaret sanger – founder of PP and one of the left's idols. Seems she wanted to rid the world of blacks and other simple-minded undesirables and figured a good way to do it was put abortion facilities in black communities. PP performs thousands of abortions per year – ya know, that "procedure" that crushes the skulls of babies til they're dead.

  • Rifleman

    Actually, pp got in trouble for charging for services it wasn’t performing, notably partial breast exams billed as full breast exams. I guess undiagnosed breast cancer and graft of taxpayer dollars must be sacrificed for the cause, or maybe it’s just acceptable collateral damage. Oh wait, I know, those darned conservatives made 'em do it.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Facts are not their friends.

    Unless it's the pretense of facts selected and spun to suit them.

  • kentatwater

    I just quoted directly from the report above. I'd accuse you of just playing thick, but from this post and previous, I can tell it's not an act.

    PP itself, tell you it sells 9 out of 10 women and abortion, and even then, you remain in denial.

    You just want to demonize PP because you think that life begins at conception and all this is murder.

    Please provide a quote for your assertion.

  • Phillip

    No, I just despise leftists and will do anything to aggravate you, hoping you will become apoplectic

  • kentatwater

    Sorry, I forgot, you need to have the points and questions spoonfed, otherwise you get confused:

    First spoonful:
    ===O

    From the linked WSJ article, which you choose to continue to ignore, comes this disclosure, directly from PP:

    Planned Parenthood is very far from the uncontroversial organization the Susan G. Komen Foundation aspires to be. According to its most recent annual report, for 2010, Planned Parenthood sells abortions to nine out of every 10 pregnant women who come to its clinics. And it's known throughout the country as an implacable and aggressive opponent of any meaningful restrictions on deliberate feticide.

    The Weekly Standard's reporting is admirably conservative with its figures, but you are (I expect deliberately) comparing apples and oranges. The WS report states that, "[T]he percentage of the group’s clients who received an abortion is probably closer to 1 in 10," but that figure appears to include clients who are not pregnant. I'm sure they'd just love to abort a non-pregnant woman's baby, but c'est la morte.

    Here's the next spoonful:
    ===O

    You just want to demonize PP because you think that life begins at conception and all this is murder.

    Please provide a quote for your assertion.

  • dsw

    Excellent! IMHO, one abortion is one too many…I guess the Left will call it a Holocaust only if/when we reach 6 million and there mad at us, behaving all indignant because they think we can't count? Oh wait!? We're there already aren't we? WTH are they waiting for then? Talk about "dumb gone to seed"! I mean, really!

  • kentatwater

    Troll sez:
    …because you believe as Kent does…shocker.

    Rifleman, I believe this closing jab is due to its belief that you and I are the same person. It appears to either be suffering from inadequately medicated paranoia, or comforts itself with imagining that there can't be more than one person who thinks in a manner unlike itself.

  • Rifleman

    No, you weren't "making the case that," anything, you were constructing a strawman, and kicking its' butt. Kent didn't mention his beliefs, so I wouldn't know, but those facts are stubborn things.

  • Phillip

    Why not? Progressives do it all the time….

  • kentatwater

    You are allowed to have whatever beliefs you want.

    You play that riff a lot, as if such permission is yours to dispense. Telling.

    You can't provide a quote, because there is no quote to provide. Your strategy is a transparent one: build a straw man, act like you've knocked it down, and then walk away, fingers in ear, shouting "LA LA LA."

    Meanwhile, you still refuse to answer the simplest and most unloaded of all questions. We all know why.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Don't you love how you are everything you just tried calling me?
    You're not able to write even a budget book and you still rip on mine without reading it.

    You're just a failed hack sitting behind a work terminal paid to spread propaganda and all you do is come across like a bitter imam without a flock of people to use honor killings on to keep them in line. Was it better in the old country where you could enforce sharia?

  • Rifleman

    That's a pretty lame argument, if it can be called that, and you seem to be the stalker here.

  • SheilaJacksonLeeHERO

    Roger just reported me for exposing his stalking on KUTU.com

    He put on his phoney POS stalking mask and pretend he actually cared about the hread topic, when all he realy cares about is being close to WeeTodd.

    Roger is a sick sick f a g g o t!!!!

    God only knows how many times his public library has had to warn him about staring at children.

    Why are you so in love with WeTodd Roger? Why don't you try to find a REAL relationship with a woman????

    CREEP!!! Frea!!!!

    Get some help you f u c k!!!!!!!

  • Rifleman

    You've probably noticed already, but maturin also projects.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    You explained what you were doing on KUTU and I noticed the administrator visited your comment stream.

    Don't blame me for your own stupid.

  • Rifleman

    Overdue for a diversity training session on overcoming your hatred of homos, are you? You sound jealous.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Oh look, you're trying to speak through all the hate.

    All I hear is the bubbling as the air rises to the top.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    So, it's not just me that noticed it?

    Last night he said something about 'right, wrong… who cares'. He knows how he sounds. It's like listening to the sound of one hand clapping.

  • maturin20

    I am rather remarkable.

  • SheilaJacksonLeeHERO

    How many times did you report me? Did you shoot a huge load out after you noticed he visited my comment stream?

    At least he know to watch out for your stalking, and that you stare at children at your public library.

    Does your church know that you stalk men around on intense debate. I am going to make sure they do.

  • Rifleman

    LMAO, you've got a whole pack of ankle biters stalking you. You must have really stumped 'em and warped their weetle minds to get them to pitch such a fit.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    How many times did you go off topic and brag that you weren't there to debate the story?

    People watching isn't staring, and you're still begging for a slander lawsuit.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    I have been spitting out the same trolls under recycled and new profiles for a while.

    They keep coming back thinking if they have a new start the old 'stupid' will sound better somehow.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Not.

  • SheilaJacksonLeeHERO

    Yeah, Roger has alot of people, including the Breitbart mods and several websites that think he is one of the stupidest f u c k s they have ever had to deal with.

    Of course there is always some dumb s h i t that comes along and agrees with him.

    He stares at little children at his public library. Maybe that is something Rifleman has in common with him.

    He has metal problems that makes him stalk WeeTodd and others. He has never had a normal relationship with a woman, and his brother is scared to leave his children alone with roger.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    But not so stupid I have to resort to foul language.

    Hmmmm…….

  • Rifleman

    Oh no, you're not going to call me gay too are you? That would be so devastating to my fragile weetle mind. I'm not the one here with a fixation on staring at children in libraries, that would be you.

    Lol, no one using the name of someone that thought the Apollo astronauts planted the US flag on Mars, has any room to call anybody else stupid. If we’re stupid, our points would be easy for yall to counter, and our arguments easy to defeat, but all I see out of either of you are personal attacks. Looking at this thread, it’s pretty obvious who the unhinged stalkers are, and who would irritate a website’s staff.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Hasn't the word projection been brought up here lately?

  • WeeToddEdwards

    Say that when he follows you around for over a year. So you consider the thuth to be lame?

  • Rifleman

    I haven't seen roger here long, but I've seen him here longer than you or Shiela. And yea, even if true, your argument is as lame and irrelevant to the topic as if you posted the earth orbits the sun.

  • WeeToddEdwards

    Look closer <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • SheilaJacksonLeeHERO

    Just relax. You're too boring for me to concern myself with.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    I hear a lot of things.
    I hear this mentality oozing through your posts.

    9:14 Fight them! Allah will chastise them at your hands, and He will lay them low and give you victory over them, and He will heal the breasts of folk who are believers.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    And your too stupid to be much use.

  • Rifleman

    Whew, what a relief, the last thing I want to do is excite you.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    My my, are you off the mountain dew enough to put words together again? Did you make it to some meetings?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Oh look, you made up some more fake quotes again.

    Hitting the mountain dew again?

    Did you do that the night you spent in Jail as a teenager?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    He did, you're a moron with muslim friendly positions.

  • Rifleman

    It looks like some kind of page formatting from the nyslimes, but there's no text.

  • WeeToddEdwards

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  • SheilaJacksonLeeHERO

    Roger Delaney has Dyssemia, for children at his public library.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Oh look, you're probably just a parallel profile for wee wee.

    That explains so much of your 'stupid'.

  • SheilaJacksonLeeHERO

    I was able to find a yearbook for Apple Valley High School.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    How nice for you.

    And why would I care if you found a yearbook for a school I never attended?

    Always the troll.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Because it's a symptom of how little you know or understand.

  • Rifleman

    It looks like it posted everything but what you wanted to post. My PC gets gremlins too. You may have copied the formatting, rather than the text. Try pasting it into the word cruncher of your choice.

  • Rifleman

    Lol, must be.

  • SheilaJacksonLeeHERO

    That's not what your brother David told me.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Why don't you check with the county records and find any David born where my mom delivered her children?

    You are boring, boring, boring.

  • SheilaJacksonLeeHERO

    Or your brother Robert. Or maybe you're Robert.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    What about Franklin?

    If you are so sure your ideas are indefensible that you have to make up names, you must be a miserable mess.

    Well, I suppose I didn't need to state the obvious.

  • WeeToddEdwards

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  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Too bad you don't have ideas that might make up for your other failings.

  • SheilaJacksonLeeHERO

    I don't know Franklin.

    Your brother David I know.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    You don't know Jack either.

    Both figuratively and literally.

  • SheilaJacksonLeeHERO

    that was the first time I've ever seen you use actual wit. Even kinda funny.

    I guess mentioning David has got you in top gear.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Don't blame me for your short comings.

    You never notice a lot of things.

  • kentatwater

    Yes Kent, you are free to belong to whatever religion you want and entertain any thought or belief…

    Wow. Thanks for the permission!

    Yeah which makes asking for one a dickish move.

    Keeping it classy, I see.

    This is verbatim the way you dodged me earlier. You don't recognize your own moves, but you hate it when done to you.

    Translated: No, I can't provide a quote, because I never said what you claimed I said. But I'll use some profanity to trowel over the holes in my argument.

    . What strawman are you talking about?

    Hmm. Well, let's see…how about pretending I said something I never said!