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		<title>By: Zalman</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/ivan-denisov/radicals-portraits-of-a-destructive-passion/comment-page-1/#comment-3996520</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 14:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Oppressed and persecuted infidels in Muslim lands envy Israeli-Arabs.&quot; Indeed they do. 
 
The schmuck is a &quot;dime a dozen Israel hater.&quot; Indeed he is. 
 
If Israel was nonexistent what would be in its place? Another poor miserable unjust backward savage Arab state. 
 
The schmuck praises Benny Morris for writing about the small number of Jewish atrocities that ocurred in the 1948 War, while stating they were justified for preventing an Arab 5th column inside Israel. Too bad. If there had been more of these atrocities they&#039;d be fewer Jew hating Israeli Arabs threatening Israel from within. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Oppressed and persecuted infidels in Muslim lands envy Israeli-Arabs.&quot; Indeed they do. </p>
<p>The schmuck is a &quot;dime a dozen Israel hater.&quot; Indeed he is. </p>
<p>If Israel was nonexistent what would be in its place? Another poor miserable unjust backward savage Arab state. </p>
<p>The schmuck praises Benny Morris for writing about the small number of Jewish atrocities that ocurred in the 1948 War, while stating they were justified for preventing an Arab 5th column inside Israel. Too bad. If there had been more of these atrocities they&#039;d be fewer Jew hating Israeli Arabs threatening Israel from within. </p>
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		<title>By: ApolloSpeaks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ApolloSpeaks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 03:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CORRECTION: War is hell, an orgy of violence and blood full of vicious atrocities and crimes; and Arab-Israeli wars have been no exception with vicious deeds and crimes committed on both sides....... 
 
I don&#039;t have a black and white view of you. To me you&#039;re just a vicious, unhinged unredeemable, dime a dozen Israel hater on a mission from hell that&#039;s doomed to fail. And your punishment till the day you die is to live in a country too sensible and good to share your perverse views.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CORRECTION: War is hell, an orgy of violence and blood full of vicious atrocities and crimes; and Arab-Israeli wars have been no exception with vicious deeds and crimes committed on both sides&#8230;&#8230;. </p>
<p>I don&#039;t have a black and white view of you. To me you&#039;re just a vicious, unhinged unredeemable, dime a dozen Israel hater on a mission from hell that&#039;s doomed to fail. And your punishment till the day you die is to live in a country too sensible and good to share your perverse views.  </p>
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		<title>By: ApolloSpeaks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ApolloSpeaks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 02:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BTW If there hadn&#039;t been a Zionist Movement and  mass Jewish immigration to Palestine do you really think that whatever entity would be there now could equal Israel on any level: moral, intellectual,  social, economic, technological, scientific?  Not on your life.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW If there hadn&#039;t been a Zionist Movement and  mass Jewish immigration to Palestine do you really think that whatever entity would be there now could equal Israel on any level: moral, intellectual,  social, economic, technological, scientific?  Not on your life.  </p>
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		<title>By: ApolloSpeaks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ApolloSpeaks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 02:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[War is hell, an orgy of violence and blood, and full of vicious atrocities and crimes; and Arab-Israeli wars have been no exception with vicious deeds and crimes on both sides. But it&#039;s during peacetime that a people prove its moral worth and humanity. And peacetime has proved repeatedly that Zionism is the greatest force for good, justice, progress and peace in the Middle East. You can&#039;t show me a more enlightened, humane and civilized nation in the region. Show me the Moslem country that treated its Jewish minority more consistently with dignity, humanity and justice than Israel treats its hostile, Jew hating Arab citizens? The Copts of Egypt, Christians of Iraq and Sudan, Shiites of Saudi Arabia, BahaIs and Zoroastrians of Iran-and other infidels and heretics living in Moslem lands-look at Arab Israelis with envy. Copts are fleeing Egypt, Christians Sudan, Bahais Iran, but Israel&#039;s Arabs stay put. Why? Because they have it so good. My God! If the rest of the ME were as &quot;vicious&quot; as Israel, or half its moral size, the region would be at peace, and we wouldn&#039;t be having this debate. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>War is hell, an orgy of violence and blood, and full of vicious atrocities and crimes; and Arab-Israeli wars have been no exception with vicious deeds and crimes on both sides. But it&#039;s during peacetime that a people prove its moral worth and humanity. And peacetime has proved repeatedly that Zionism is the greatest force for good, justice, progress and peace in the Middle East. You can&#039;t show me a more enlightened, humane and civilized nation in the region. Show me the Moslem country that treated its Jewish minority more consistently with dignity, humanity and justice than Israel treats its hostile, Jew hating Arab citizens? The Copts of Egypt, Christians of Iraq and Sudan, Shiites of Saudi Arabia, BahaIs and Zoroastrians of Iran-and other infidels and heretics living in Moslem lands-look at Arab Israelis with envy. Copts are fleeing Egypt, Christians Sudan, Bahais Iran, but Israel&#039;s Arabs stay put. Why? Because they have it so good. My God! If the rest of the ME were as &quot;vicious&quot; as Israel, or half its moral size, the region would be at peace, and we wouldn&#039;t be having this debate. </p>
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		<title>By: ApolloSpeaks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ApolloSpeaks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 01:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where did I say that Napoleon invaded Egypt with a Jewish army? If he had succeeded in defeating the Turks Jews would have had their own state in Palestine in the early 19th century. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where did I say that Napoleon invaded Egypt with a Jewish army? If he had succeeded in defeating the Turks Jews would have had their own state in Palestine in the early 19th century. </p>
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		<title>By: ApolloSpeaks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ApolloSpeaks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 01:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The aggressiveness of Zionists to settle in Palestine was driven by the need for security and not to take land away from Arabs. There was nothing immoral or unjust in its methods and aims. If it weren&#039;t for Arab hostility to the perfectly legal Jewish settlers (who just wanted to make good lives for themselves (like settlers in the old west)) there would have been no Jewish army, IDF or Jewish State. Arabs were against sharing land with people their prophet taught them to hate as the worst, lowest, most degenerate of God&#039;s creatures. Unjust, immoral Arab/Islamic supremacy is what made the Haganah, Irgun, IDF then the state of Israel. 
  
BTW my defense of Israel against its primitive, morally inferior, intolerant Moslem enemies is principally the same as my defense of democratic Europe against Soviet Communism during the Cold War. I hate all forms of totalitarian tyranny, and that includes Islam. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The aggressiveness of Zionists to settle in Palestine was driven by the need for security and not to take land away from Arabs. There was nothing immoral or unjust in its methods and aims. If it weren&#039;t for Arab hostility to the perfectly legal Jewish settlers (who just wanted to make good lives for themselves (like settlers in the old west)) there would have been no Jewish army, IDF or Jewish State. Arabs were against sharing land with people their prophet taught them to hate as the worst, lowest, most degenerate of God&#039;s creatures. Unjust, immoral Arab/Islamic supremacy is what made the Haganah, Irgun, IDF then the state of Israel. </p>
<p>BTW my defense of Israel against its primitive, morally inferior, intolerant Moslem enemies is principally the same as my defense of democratic Europe against Soviet Communism during the Cold War. I hate all forms of totalitarian tyranny, and that includes Islam. </p>
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		<title>By: ApolloSpeaks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ApolloSpeaks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 01:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Though I believe in Divine Providence one doesn&#039;t need a belief in or theory of an invisible hand guiding the chaotic events of the Middle East to see the concrete progress that&#039;s been made toward democracy and modernity since Israel&#039;s miraculous resurrection and continued odds defying existence.  
 
Zionism didn&#039;t begin as a call to arms but as a prophetic call to European Jews, not based on Hebrew Scripture (Herzl was an atheist) but on the profane, secular, mundane necessity to escape anti-semiticism in a secure ethnic sovereign Jewish state. Herzl the atheist (he despised religious Jews) cared less about the location of the Jewish State so long as Jews had one. Africa, South America, the moon as long as Jews had a state of there own like other peoples where they need not fear oppression and persecution is all that mattered to Herzl. As the land of Palestine was the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people (and by coincidence to Zionism&#039;s founding Palestine&#039;s hard up Turkish rulers were selling real estate there) settling in Palestine became the logical and easiest choice. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though I believe in Divine Providence one doesn&#039;t need a belief in or theory of an invisible hand guiding the chaotic events of the Middle East to see the concrete progress that&#039;s been made toward democracy and modernity since Israel&#039;s miraculous resurrection and continued odds defying existence.  </p>
<p>Zionism didn&#039;t begin as a call to arms but as a prophetic call to European Jews, not based on Hebrew Scripture (Herzl was an atheist) but on the profane, secular, mundane necessity to escape anti-semiticism in a secure ethnic sovereign Jewish state. Herzl the atheist (he despised religious Jews) cared less about the location of the Jewish State so long as Jews had one. Africa, South America, the moon as long as Jews had a state of there own like other peoples where they need not fear oppression and persecution is all that mattered to Herzl. As the land of Palestine was the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people (and by coincidence to Zionism&#039;s founding Palestine&#039;s hard up Turkish rulers were selling real estate there) settling in Palestine became the logical and easiest choice. </p>
<p>continued </p>
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		<title>By: ApolloSpeaks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ApolloSpeaks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 01:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ouch! Got third degree burns reading your post. Jihadists have one overarching goal: a one world Moslem state as promised by Allah through Mohammad. US troops stationed in SA was no more the underlying reason for 9/11 than was Sharon&#039;s visit to the Temple Mount the reason for the 2nd Intifada. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch! Got third degree burns reading your post. Jihadists have one overarching goal: a one world Moslem state as promised by Allah through Mohammad. US troops stationed in SA was no more the underlying reason for 9/11 than was Sharon&#039;s visit to the Temple Mount the reason for the 2nd Intifada. </p>
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		<title>By: Zalman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zalman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 00:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[US troops stationed in Saudi Arabia was the excuse not the cause of 9/11. Bin Ladin mentioned everything from the fall of the Ottoman Caliphate to the US simply being a Christian-infidel power hated by Allah. After the fall of the Soviet Union America became the next target of jihadist wrath. If the US wasn&#039;t the hyper-power  it is, if that distinction belonged to England or some other country, that country would have had our 9/11. The US was attacked on 9/11 for the same reason that subsequent to Muhammed&#039;s death Islam overran the Middle East, North Africa and the like conquering every nation in sight.  Muhammed&#039;s Islam is at war with unbelievers and won&#039;t rest until they&#039;re conquered. 
 
Why should Israel fear a a weak, impotent, corrupt organization like the UN? Israel will fart in the face of any World Court judgment against its leaders. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US troops stationed in Saudi Arabia was the excuse not the cause of 9/11. Bin Ladin mentioned everything from the fall of the Ottoman Caliphate to the US simply being a Christian-infidel power hated by Allah. After the fall of the Soviet Union America became the next target of jihadist wrath. If the US wasn&#039;t the hyper-power  it is, if that distinction belonged to England or some other country, that country would have had our 9/11. The US was attacked on 9/11 for the same reason that subsequent to Muhammed&#039;s death Islam overran the Middle East, North Africa and the like conquering every nation in sight.  Muhammed&#039;s Islam is at war with unbelievers and won&#039;t rest until they&#039;re conquered. </p>
<p>Why should Israel fear a a weak, impotent, corrupt organization like the UN? Israel will fart in the face of any World Court judgment against its leaders. </p>
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		<title>By: Zalman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zalman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 00:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ 
On top of being a Paulist schmuck you&#039;re a conspiratorial nut. A man of rigid principle like  Khomeine was bought off by the CIA? HA! He opposed Mousadegh for the same reason he opposed the shah later on: he was a secularist hostile to Islam. He preferred the Shah over Mousadegh because he was believed to be the descendent of Muhammed. When the shah proved to be another secularist reformer like Mousedegh Khomeine went nuts and called for his overthrow. 
 
see below 
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On top of being a Paulist schmuck you&#039;re a conspiratorial nut. A man of rigid principle like  Khomeine was bought off by the CIA? HA! He opposed Mousadegh for the same reason he opposed the shah later on: he was a secularist hostile to Islam. He preferred the Shah over Mousadegh because he was believed to be the descendent of Muhammed. When the shah proved to be another secularist reformer like Mousedegh Khomeine went nuts and called for his overthrow. </p>
<p>see below </p>
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		<title>By: Glennd1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glennd1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 20:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(cont&#039;d) 
I&#039;ll leave with a few thoughts, perhaps your fervid mind could amp down for a second and try some original thought. Why did Bin Laden attack us on 9/11? I mean not generally - as all his attacks were aimed at getting the U.S. out of the mideast for good - but that escalation, that target? Do you even know? He wrote about it and spoke about it enough that you should know. He did so to draw the U.S. into land war so Muslims would unify and be energized, 
 
One of the topics Bin Laden lamented frequently was the downtrodden, defeated mentality of the Muslim. He saw the energy of the victory in Afghanistan die off and realized that only a strategic shift would give Islamists a chance. He knew that pan-Arab and pan-Islamic sentiment would be aroused by an increase in our presence in the region and fighting an open war with Muslims. 
 
The result was so much greater than anything he ever hoped for, btw. And the result? Al Qaeda is 7 times larger today than it was on 9/11. It&#039;s much more distributed, has several countries and territories in which it can live and operate in openly, and enjoys the support of more states than ever. My point? In order to beat your enemy you need to understand your enemy. But you refuse to, because doing so might reveal that we actually have been provocative - omigosh, can you imagine? The U.S. actually doing something that was oppressive to other peoples and their homelands?  
 
That&#039;s how you come off, like a babe in the woods, utterly ignorant of reality. As for Israel, a great tipping point is just about to be reached. Smart observers of the scene already see opinions shifting as the strategic landscape does. And if you think Obama is going to go to war with Iran over Israel, you just haven&#039;t been paying attention. They are going to try and force a deal down Netanyahus throat on &#039;67 boarders, settlements and right of return. But Netanyahu can&#039;t accept that deal, and so the stalemate will continue. 
 
It will end someday. Likely with all the invading Zionists dead in the sand. You do realize that the recognition of Palestine gives them access to the world court now, yes? Wait till you see what is coming Israel&#039;s way from the U.N. over the next couple of years. You won&#039;t be nearly as bold in 24 months. It&#039;s also entirely possible that full-scale war will break out, drawing in Muslim nations to defend the Palestinians. Or one of them may just attack Israel. 
 
But any way you cut it, Zionists are losing ground, not gaining it. Again, your lack of engagement with facts and reality are showing.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(cont&#039;d)<br />
I&#039;ll leave with a few thoughts, perhaps your fervid mind could amp down for a second and try some original thought. Why did Bin Laden attack us on 9/11? I mean not generally &#8211; as all his attacks were aimed at getting the U.S. out of the mideast for good &#8211; but that escalation, that target? Do you even know? He wrote about it and spoke about it enough that you should know. He did so to draw the U.S. into land war so Muslims would unify and be energized, </p>
<p>One of the topics Bin Laden lamented frequently was the downtrodden, defeated mentality of the Muslim. He saw the energy of the victory in Afghanistan die off and realized that only a strategic shift would give Islamists a chance. He knew that pan-Arab and pan-Islamic sentiment would be aroused by an increase in our presence in the region and fighting an open war with Muslims. </p>
<p>The result was so much greater than anything he ever hoped for, btw. And the result? Al Qaeda is 7 times larger today than it was on 9/11. It&#039;s much more distributed, has several countries and territories in which it can live and operate in openly, and enjoys the support of more states than ever. My point? In order to beat your enemy you need to understand your enemy. But you refuse to, because doing so might reveal that we actually have been provocative &#8211; omigosh, can you imagine? The U.S. actually doing something that was oppressive to other peoples and their homelands?  </p>
<p>That&#039;s how you come off, like a babe in the woods, utterly ignorant of reality. As for Israel, a great tipping point is just about to be reached. Smart observers of the scene already see opinions shifting as the strategic landscape does. And if you think Obama is going to go to war with Iran over Israel, you just haven&#039;t been paying attention. They are going to try and force a deal down Netanyahus throat on &#039;67 boarders, settlements and right of return. But Netanyahu can&#039;t accept that deal, and so the stalemate will continue. </p>
<p>It will end someday. Likely with all the invading Zionists dead in the sand. You do realize that the recognition of Palestine gives them access to the world court now, yes? Wait till you see what is coming Israel&#039;s way from the U.N. over the next couple of years. You won&#039;t be nearly as bold in 24 months. It&#039;s also entirely possible that full-scale war will break out, drawing in Muslim nations to defend the Palestinians. Or one of them may just attack Israel. </p>
<p>But any way you cut it, Zionists are losing ground, not gaining it. Again, your lack of engagement with facts and reality are showing.  </p>
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		<title>By: Glennd1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glennd1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 20:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Really? You are going to tell me what my political views are now? Do you realize how utterly arrogant and presumptuous that is? And you are completely wrong, of course. But now your angry, I can see it, the fangs are out for all to see.   
  
Anyone else watching, read what he writes. Iranian revolution had nothing to do with Mousadegh. Of course not directly, 25 or so years later. But if you don&#039;t think that aggravated Iranian and Islamist sentiment against the U.S., well one wonders what it is you understand about anything? And as far as Khomeni supporting the overthrow of Mousadegh, what happened is that the U.S. paid a bunch of Islamists to fight against him because Mousadegh was an opponent of the Islamists. You see, as Zionists do so often, he just twists and twists the truth, hoping you won&#039;t know the arcane details he throws out are technically &quot;true&quot; but don&#039;t actually support his point.  
  
Much like Dershowitz does in his weak polemic, The Case for Israel. In broad themes, it&#039;s a rehash of Joan Peters From Time Immemorial - already substantively debunked in many regards by subsequent academic work, but he uses a technique much like you do here. He pulls many, many quotes from Benny Morris&#039;s 1948, a huge pct of the cites in the book are from that text. But he often edits the quotes and if you go look up the actual quote, most times, it actually means the opposite of what Dersh is using it for. He often also supports conclusions that are the polar opposite of Morris with Morris quotes.  
  
Which is what you do here, making you a lowlife. As for why Al Qaeda attacked on 9/11, there isn&#039;t a serious student of Al Qaeda in our own national security establishment or in most academia who doesn&#039;t understand that Bin Laden found our basing troops in Saudi Arabia for Desert Storm provocative. He&#039;d just returned from fighting the Soviets and when Saddam attacked Kuwait, he volunteered to lead his Mujahideen into battle against Iraq and in defense of the Kingdom. He pleaded with the Saudi Royals to not ally with the U.S. as in Islamic law, it&#039;s an act of war to place foreign troops on holy Islamic land such as Saudi Arabia.   
  
He was so angry over it that he broke ties with Saudi Arabia utterly and moved to Sudan. But you suggest that none of this informed his increasing campaign against us, you ignorant simpleton. You should know the account of these events is available in every book written on Bin Laden - it&#039;s non-controversial. I know, it&#039;s hard for you to accept that Bin Laden didn&#039;t return home and just start killing Americans out of bloodlust, but really, that was not his plan.  
  
What a numbnutz you like can&#039;t understand is that none of this makes me a supporter of Islamists. I wouldn&#039;t even allow immigration from Islamic countries if I was king for a day. But you see, to just reduce everything the crazy Islamists is to not understand what&#039;s going on there at all. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really? You are going to tell me what my political views are now? Do you realize how utterly arrogant and presumptuous that is? And you are completely wrong, of course. But now your angry, I can see it, the fangs are out for all to see.   </p>
<p>Anyone else watching, read what he writes. Iranian revolution had nothing to do with Mousadegh. Of course not directly, 25 or so years later. But if you don&#039;t think that aggravated Iranian and Islamist sentiment against the U.S., well one wonders what it is you understand about anything? And as far as Khomeni supporting the overthrow of Mousadegh, what happened is that the U.S. paid a bunch of Islamists to fight against him because Mousadegh was an opponent of the Islamists. You see, as Zionists do so often, he just twists and twists the truth, hoping you won&#039;t know the arcane details he throws out are technically &quot;true&quot; but don&#039;t actually support his point.  </p>
<p>Much like Dershowitz does in his weak polemic, The Case for Israel. In broad themes, it&#039;s a rehash of Joan Peters From Time Immemorial &#8211; already substantively debunked in many regards by subsequent academic work, but he uses a technique much like you do here. He pulls many, many quotes from Benny Morris&#039;s 1948, a huge pct of the cites in the book are from that text. But he often edits the quotes and if you go look up the actual quote, most times, it actually means the opposite of what Dersh is using it for. He often also supports conclusions that are the polar opposite of Morris with Morris quotes.  </p>
<p>Which is what you do here, making you a lowlife. As for why Al Qaeda attacked on 9/11, there isn&#039;t a serious student of Al Qaeda in our own national security establishment or in most academia who doesn&#039;t understand that Bin Laden found our basing troops in Saudi Arabia for Desert Storm provocative. He&#039;d just returned from fighting the Soviets and when Saddam attacked Kuwait, he volunteered to lead his Mujahideen into battle against Iraq and in defense of the Kingdom. He pleaded with the Saudi Royals to not ally with the U.S. as in Islamic law, it&#039;s an act of war to place foreign troops on holy Islamic land such as Saudi Arabia.   </p>
<p>He was so angry over it that he broke ties with Saudi Arabia utterly and moved to Sudan. But you suggest that none of this informed his increasing campaign against us, you ignorant simpleton. You should know the account of these events is available in every book written on Bin Laden &#8211; it&#039;s non-controversial. I know, it&#039;s hard for you to accept that Bin Laden didn&#039;t return home and just start killing Americans out of bloodlust, but really, that was not his plan.  </p>
<p>What a numbnutz you like can&#039;t understand is that none of this makes me a supporter of Islamists. I wouldn&#039;t even allow immigration from Islamic countries if I was king for a day. But you see, to just reduce everything the crazy Islamists is to not understand what&#039;s going on there at all. </p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 19:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes you are a lefist. In foreign policy. A moronic Ron Paul nutcase leftist. Hey, schmuck, the Iranian revolution had nothing to do with Mousadegh. FYI the Ayatollah Khomeine backed his overthrow because he was a secularist. US troops stationed in Saudi Arabia had nothing to do with 9/11. FYI Al Qaeda, like all Islamists, aim at reestablishing the caliphate as a means to world conquest, and America is in its way. FYI Al Qaeda&#039;s wrath covers all infidels with the highest degree reserved for the most powerful. As for our terrible debt FYI it&#039;s  caused mostly by entitlement programs, not wars or foreign misadventures. FYI America loves Israel. FYI our bond is eternal. Good luck trying to break it. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes you are a lefist. In foreign policy. A moronic Ron Paul nutcase leftist. Hey, schmuck, the Iranian revolution had nothing to do with Mousadegh. FYI the Ayatollah Khomeine backed his overthrow because he was a secularist. US troops stationed in Saudi Arabia had nothing to do with 9/11. FYI Al Qaeda, like all Islamists, aim at reestablishing the caliphate as a means to world conquest, and America is in its way. FYI Al Qaeda&#039;s wrath covers all infidels with the highest degree reserved for the most powerful. As for our terrible debt FYI it&#039;s  caused mostly by entitlement programs, not wars or foreign misadventures. FYI America loves Israel. FYI our bond is eternal. Good luck trying to break it. </p>
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		<title>By: Glennd1</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 12:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This kind of pseudo-intellectual BS is really impossible to take seriously. The entire Zionist case for American support is based on them as morally righteous victims of the Arabs. It was never based on smarmy and insipid aspersions about the nature of history and civilizational progress. You folks do realize that by doing so. Apollo admits everything I say is so, yes? He is like many defenders of Israel who are actually informed - they won&#039;t dare claim Israel wasn&#039;t and isn&#039;t he aggressor. 
 
So now he claims that Zionism is part of some unseen hand of progress, crunching along, and that the civilizing aspects of Zionism on the region outweigh any other concerns. Absurd. I wonder if anyone here is smart enough to realize that this half-smart commenter is actually using the idea of Hegelian dialectic to support his cause now? Nothing could be more Marxist than this kind of argument, fyi. So, here it is. Right-wingers justifying the unjustifiable based on Marxist ideology. What low will your half-wits sink to next? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This kind of pseudo-intellectual BS is really impossible to take seriously. The entire Zionist case for American support is based on them as morally righteous victims of the Arabs. It was never based on smarmy and insipid aspersions about the nature of history and civilizational progress. You folks do realize that by doing so. Apollo admits everything I say is so, yes? He is like many defenders of Israel who are actually informed &#8211; they won&#039;t dare claim Israel wasn&#039;t and isn&#039;t he aggressor. </p>
<p>So now he claims that Zionism is part of some unseen hand of progress, crunching along, and that the civilizing aspects of Zionism on the region outweigh any other concerns. Absurd. I wonder if anyone here is smart enough to realize that this half-smart commenter is actually using the idea of Hegelian dialectic to support his cause now? Nothing could be more Marxist than this kind of argument, fyi. So, here it is. Right-wingers justifying the unjustifiable based on Marxist ideology. What low will your half-wits sink to next? </p>
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		<title>By: Glennd1</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 12:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not a leftist - this is what&#039;s wrong with all of your thinking here, btw. You have boxes you put people, in you act politically instead of out of principle and hence end up defending the indefensible. I operate on principle and reason, and here&#039;s what I found.  
  
 After 9/11 I became much more interested in the mideast. I&#039;d been a non-conservative Republican for my entire life, and was an avid reader of news and publications on the topic but felt like I still didn&#039;t really understand what was happening there(half of Republicans are like me, but you wouldn&#039;t know that listening to the Tea Party). I began to read all kinds of accounts of Al Qaeda and other issues in the region, much more in  depth than I had done in the past. Up until that point I&#039;d been subjected to the same tropes about Israel that are on display here. &quot;Best ally&quot;, &quot;only democracy in the region&quot;, &quot;they deserved it after the holocaust&quot; , &quot;the Arabs attacked and the Palestinians ran away&quot;.   
  
When I got past the agit prop and started reading real history books I discovered that there was real disagreement about these issues. And that in fact the most trusted historians on the subject conceded all kinds of things that I thought were wrong. I heard folks like Benny Morris admitting that the Zionist campaign between &#039;47-&#039;49 &quot;amounted to ethnic cleansing&quot; and only defended Israel by saying &quot;they didn&#039;t intend to&quot;.   
  
I discovered that most Israelis and Zionists in Israel don&#039;t bother claiming that Zionists were victims any more, but rather just believe Jews have a right to the land and they simply want to take it and hold it via any means possible. I discovered that IDF documents and the memoirs and diaries of folks like Begin and Dyan made very clear that the campaign of cleansing Arab Muslims from their homes in enough numbers to created a majority Jewish state was explicitly supported.  
  
I discovered that Zionism was an aggressive political campaign, overtaken in fact at a certain point by Russian communists, and that its adherents had discussed the idea of &quot;transfer&quot; for decades. I also found out that the Israelis engaged in horrific acts that they claimed were defensive, but often Israel was actually provocative, when I was being told the exact opposite in the news.   
  
I also came to understand Islam and Islamism much more profoundly. The U.S. has been incredibly provocative to the residents of the mideast, in many ways picking up right where the Brits left off. While I don&#039;t sympathize with Islamism, it&#039;s very clear to anyone who knows the facts that our support of Israel is incredibly provocative.  
 
Americans are so blithe about such horrific acts we undertake. We think we can overthrow Mousadegh and not set the Iranian people against us permanently. We think we can support the bigoted, religious supremacy of Zionists and ignore the sins visited on Arab Muslims and then claim they are victims when they are attacked in return. We think we can base troops in Saudi Arabia and not incur the wrath of Islamists. We think we can keep thuggish, repressive dictators on the payroll and not be hated by the hundreds of millions of people they oppress.  
  
I&#039;m not longer under those illusions. Our best move would be to leave the region utterly. We are less secure than ever - or haven&#039;t you folks noticed that? Our misadventures there have cost us over 2 trillion dollars since 9/11 - you morons wonder why we are in such deep debt, but you never talk about the costs of our ham-handed interventions. And guess what? I&#039;ve never voted for a Dem for POTUS in my life. I loathe Progressive-Marxists like Obama. But I see the world as it is. You folks here should try it sometime. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a leftist &#8211; this is what&#039;s wrong with all of your thinking here, btw. You have boxes you put people, in you act politically instead of out of principle and hence end up defending the indefensible. I operate on principle and reason, and here&#039;s what I found.  </p>
<p> After 9/11 I became much more interested in the mideast. I&#039;d been a non-conservative Republican for my entire life, and was an avid reader of news and publications on the topic but felt like I still didn&#039;t really understand what was happening there(half of Republicans are like me, but you wouldn&#039;t know that listening to the Tea Party). I began to read all kinds of accounts of Al Qaeda and other issues in the region, much more in  depth than I had done in the past. Up until that point I&#039;d been subjected to the same tropes about Israel that are on display here. &quot;Best ally&quot;, &quot;only democracy in the region&quot;, &quot;they deserved it after the holocaust&quot; , &quot;the Arabs attacked and the Palestinians ran away&quot;.   </p>
<p>When I got past the agit prop and started reading real history books I discovered that there was real disagreement about these issues. And that in fact the most trusted historians on the subject conceded all kinds of things that I thought were wrong. I heard folks like Benny Morris admitting that the Zionist campaign between &#039;47-&#039;49 &quot;amounted to ethnic cleansing&quot; and only defended Israel by saying &quot;they didn&#039;t intend to&quot;.   </p>
<p>I discovered that most Israelis and Zionists in Israel don&#039;t bother claiming that Zionists were victims any more, but rather just believe Jews have a right to the land and they simply want to take it and hold it via any means possible. I discovered that IDF documents and the memoirs and diaries of folks like Begin and Dyan made very clear that the campaign of cleansing Arab Muslims from their homes in enough numbers to created a majority Jewish state was explicitly supported.  </p>
<p>I discovered that Zionism was an aggressive political campaign, overtaken in fact at a certain point by Russian communists, and that its adherents had discussed the idea of &quot;transfer&quot; for decades. I also found out that the Israelis engaged in horrific acts that they claimed were defensive, but often Israel was actually provocative, when I was being told the exact opposite in the news.   </p>
<p>I also came to understand Islam and Islamism much more profoundly. The U.S. has been incredibly provocative to the residents of the mideast, in many ways picking up right where the Brits left off. While I don&#039;t sympathize with Islamism, it&#039;s very clear to anyone who knows the facts that our support of Israel is incredibly provocative.  </p>
<p>Americans are so blithe about such horrific acts we undertake. We think we can overthrow Mousadegh and not set the Iranian people against us permanently. We think we can support the bigoted, religious supremacy of Zionists and ignore the sins visited on Arab Muslims and then claim they are victims when they are attacked in return. We think we can base troops in Saudi Arabia and not incur the wrath of Islamists. We think we can keep thuggish, repressive dictators on the payroll and not be hated by the hundreds of millions of people they oppress.  </p>
<p>I&#039;m not longer under those illusions. Our best move would be to leave the region utterly. We are less secure than ever &#8211; or haven&#039;t you folks noticed that? Our misadventures there have cost us over 2 trillion dollars since 9/11 &#8211; you morons wonder why we are in such deep debt, but you never talk about the costs of our ham-handed interventions. And guess what? I&#039;ve never voted for a Dem for POTUS in my life. I loathe Progressive-Marxists like Obama. But I see the world as it is. You folks here should try it sometime. </p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 10:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Glennd is a blind leftist hater of Israel who believes the world would be better off if there were no Israel. But Israel is here to stay. It&#039;s strong economy, superb military and nuclear arsenal ensures its existence. I agree with you on ending US aid to Israel conditional on the US ending its foreign aid program. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glennd is a blind leftist hater of Israel who believes the world would be better off if there were no Israel. But Israel is here to stay. It&#039;s strong economy, superb military and nuclear arsenal ensures its existence. I agree with you on ending US aid to Israel conditional on the US ending its foreign aid program. </p>
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		<title>By: ApolloSpeaks</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 20:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As for Israel&#039;s inevitable demise and annhilating conquest by Arabs that I think is less likely today or in the future than it was in the past due to Israel&#039;s on and off shore nuclear arsenal. If threatened with extinction within minutes Israel could turn the Middle East (its holy places and large cities) into a radioactive wasteland where the Arab living would envy the Arab dead. Puff! Mecca is gone. Puff! Medina is gone. Puff! Damascus, Cairo, Ammon, Tehran and Baghdad are gone. When we Jews say &quot;NEVER AGAIN&quot; we effen mean it. 
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for Israel&#039;s inevitable demise and annhilating conquest by Arabs that I think is less likely today or in the future than it was in the past due to Israel&#039;s on and off shore nuclear arsenal. If threatened with extinction within minutes Israel could turn the Middle East (its holy places and large cities) into a radioactive wasteland where the Arab living would envy the Arab dead. Puff! Mecca is gone. Puff! Medina is gone. Puff! Damascus, Cairo, Ammon, Tehran and Baghdad are gone. When we Jews say &quot;NEVER AGAIN&quot; we effen mean it. </p>
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		<title>By: ApolloSpeaks</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 20:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is the Jewishness of the state of Israel that is the primary cause of the Arab-Israeli conflict. Actually, Israel&#039;s right to exist as a &quot;Jewish State&quot; perhaps would be better understood by saying it has a right to exist on the Arabian Peninsula as a &quot;non-Moslem state&quot; contrary to the teachings of the Koran and Islamic law. 
  
Keep in mind that Israel&#039;s conversion to Islam would immediately end the Arab-Israeli conflict. 
  
I&#039;m for cutting off all US aid to Israel as long as we end aid to all other nations-except in humanitarian crises. 
  
My argument boils down to &quot;moral force&quot; not &quot;brut force&quot; as Israel is a force for good and peace in the Middle East and world community. 
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is the Jewishness of the state of Israel that is the primary cause of the Arab-Israeli conflict. Actually, Israel&#039;s right to exist as a &quot;Jewish State&quot; perhaps would be better understood by saying it has a right to exist on the Arabian Peninsula as a &quot;non-Moslem state&quot; contrary to the teachings of the Koran and Islamic law. </p>
<p>Keep in mind that Israel&#039;s conversion to Islam would immediately end the Arab-Israeli conflict. </p>
<p>I&#039;m for cutting off all US aid to Israel as long as we end aid to all other nations-except in humanitarian crises. </p>
<p>My argument boils down to &quot;moral force&quot; not &quot;brut force&quot; as Israel is a force for good and peace in the Middle East and world community. </p>
<p>cont. </p>
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		<title>By: ApolloSpeaks</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 20:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How you get from this to an &quot;invading, colonizing, occupying army&quot; like the aggressive murdering Moslem hordes that invaded Palestine, Syria, Egypt, North Africa, etc  I&#039;ll never know. The Arab-Israeli conflict is rooted in early Arab hostility to Jewish settlers. That&#039;s where it began; not by Zionist aggression and imperialism. Arabs poisoned by their culture and the supremacist teachings of the Koran this conflict was inevitable and would inevitably be fought in the most gruesome manner with both sides committing atrocities and crimes as is normal in war.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How you get from this to an &quot;invading, colonizing, occupying army&quot; like the aggressive murdering Moslem hordes that invaded Palestine, Syria, Egypt, North Africa, etc  I&#039;ll never know. The Arab-Israeli conflict is rooted in early Arab hostility to Jewish settlers. That&#039;s where it began; not by Zionist aggression and imperialism. Arabs poisoned by their culture and the supremacist teachings of the Koran this conflict was inevitable and would inevitably be fought in the most gruesome manner with both sides committing atrocities and crimes as is normal in war.  </p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 20:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When the prophet Mohammed was born Palestine was a province of the Byzantine Empire. Shortly after his death Palestine belonged to Islam. How did that happen? Through invasion, colonization, occupation and expulsion of enemies.  
  
When the prophet Theodor Herzl was born Palestine was a province of the Ottoman Empire; and shortly after his death there was no Zionist army invading Palestine and challenging Ottoman rule. What there was were peaceful Jewish settlers purchasing land from bankrupt Turks then defending their legal settlements against a hostile, Jew hating, xenophobic population. Why? Because the Turkish authorities were either unwilling or unable to protect them. Militant Zionism (the Haganah and Irgun) was rooted in the unwillingness or inability of Turkish and British authorities to protect Zionist settlers, and not from any premeditated plan of military conquest. Early Haganah lacked a central command and was composed of poorly armed units spread out over Palestine to protect Jews.  Latter from necessity it was organized into a potent fighting force to meet the rising tide of Arab militancy and aggression. 
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the prophet Mohammed was born Palestine was a province of the Byzantine Empire. Shortly after his death Palestine belonged to Islam. How did that happen? Through invasion, colonization, occupation and expulsion of enemies.  </p>
<p>When the prophet Theodor Herzl was born Palestine was a province of the Ottoman Empire; and shortly after his death there was no Zionist army invading Palestine and challenging Ottoman rule. What there was were peaceful Jewish settlers purchasing land from bankrupt Turks then defending their legal settlements against a hostile, Jew hating, xenophobic population. Why? Because the Turkish authorities were either unwilling or unable to protect them. Militant Zionism (the Haganah and Irgun) was rooted in the unwillingness or inability of Turkish and British authorities to protect Zionist settlers, and not from any premeditated plan of military conquest. Early Haganah lacked a central command and was composed of poorly armed units spread out over Palestine to protect Jews.  Latter from necessity it was organized into a potent fighting force to meet the rising tide of Arab militancy and aggression. </p>
<p>cont. </p>
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