Did Muhammad Exist? An Inquiry Into Islam’s Obscure Origins

Jamie Glazov is Frontpage Magazine's editor. He holds a Ph.D. in History with a specialty in Russian, U.S. and Canadian foreign policy. He is the author of the critically acclaimed and best-selling, United in Hate: The Left’s Romance with Tyranny and Terror. His new book is High Noon For America. He is the host of Frontpage’s television show, The Glazov Gang, and he can be reached at jamieglazov11@gmail.com. Visit his site at JamieGlazov.com.


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Our guest today in FrontPage interview is Robert Spencer. Robert Spencer is a scholar of Islamic history, theology, and law and the director of Jihad Watch. He is the author of ten books, eleven monographs, and hundreds of articles about jihad and Islamic terrorism, including the New York Times Bestsellers The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) and The Truth About Muhammad. His latest book is Did Muhammad Exist? An Inquiry Into Islam’s Obscure Origins, and that is the subject of our interview today.

FP: Robert Spencer, welcome to FrontPage interview.

Spencer: Thank you, Jamie.

FP: So why did you write this book? This is not a question that most people have ever even considered.

Spencer: That’s true, Jamie. The question of whether or not Muhammad existed is one that few have thought to ask, or dared to ask. For most of the fourteen hundred years since the prophet of Islam is thought to have walked the earth, almost everyone has taken his existence for granted.

FP: Of course. After all, his imprint on human history is enormous. The Encyclopedia Britannica dubbed him “the most successful of all Prophets and religious personalities.” In his 1978 book The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History, historian Michael H. Hart put Muhammad in the top spot. So how can you say such a man never existed, and why does it matter?

Spencer: There is, in fact, considerable reason to question the historicity of Muhammad. Although the story of Muhammad, the Qur’an, and early Islam is widely accepted, on close examination the particulars of the story prove elusive. The more one looks at the origins of Islam, the less one sees. In Did Muhammad Exist?, I explore the questions that a small group of pioneering scholars has raised about the historical authenticity of the standard account of Muhammad’s life and prophetic career. A thorough review of the historical records provides startling indications that much, if not all, of what we know about Muhammad is legend, not historical fact. A careful investigation similarly suggests that the Qur’an is not a collection of what Muhammad presented as revelations from the one true God but was actually constructed from already existing material, mostly from the Jewish and Christian traditions.

It matters because my investigations, as the book shows, tend toward the probability that Islam was constructed as a political system foremost, and only secondarily a religious one – a point that has significant implications for the controversy today over anti-Sharia laws and how to regard the incursions of political Islam in the West.

FP: Fascinating. So what are some of those indications that Muhammad may not have existed?

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  • Gunner57

    Spencer is totally off base on this one. Why would Muslims build the Abomination of Desolation more commonly known as the Dome of the Rock when it was only begun only 56 years after Muhammad's death? There would have been those who raped and murdered along side this man who would still have been alive.

    Furthermore, St. John the Apstle 's Book of Revelation specifically mentions Muhammad, the False Prophet twice.

    • http://www.rmarkmusser.com Mark Musser

      St. John nowhere mentions Muhammad. Chapter and verse please.

      • Stephen_Brady

        Dittos, Mark. There is no mention of, or reference to, Muhammed or Islam anywhere in the Old or New Testaments. After the fact, we can interpret this verse or that verse to refer to someone, but our interpretation can be faulty.

        Gunner, Muhammed fits the bill of a "False Prophet", that's for sure. But … if he lived … he died over 1400 years ago. The Book of Revelations deals with end-time predictions.

        • Gunner57

          You've never read Revelation. It is about what has been, what is now and what will happen according to Jesus Christ. Please explain to me who has stolen more souls from Jesus Christ than the 'False Prophet', Muhammad. Go to the website of Ellis Skolfield.

          • Stephen_Brady

            Of course, I've read Revelations. I've preached from Revelations.

            But you've got to understand that St. John wrote the book in a time a great persecution against the Christian faith. The book,. itself, is as vague as the writings of Nostradamus, primarily becaue we don't know the code it was written in. There is some clear language … for example, the description of the afterlife, towards the end of Revelations. But any man … including Ellis Skoffield … who claims to know what the code is about is either a liar or seriously deluded.

            Indeed, Revelations, apart from other books such as Daniel and Isaiah, is almost incomprehensible.

            You're right about Islam stealing souls. But it doesn't address the primary issue of this thread, that is, the historicity of Muhammed.

          • Gunner57

            "The book,. itself, is as vague as the writings of Nostradamus, primarily becaue we don't know the code it was written in."

            The Book can be understood. Jesus Christ meant for it to be so. You lack the scholarly ability to understand any of it so everybody who can is a liar? Isaac Newton came darn close but could not see it through because of the time he lived in.

            " But you've got to understand that St. John wrote the book in a time a great persecution against the Christian faith"

            What planet do you live on? Virtually every Christian and Jew has been eliminated from the Middle East. Church bells once rang in that hellhole called Mecca. Christians are persecuted in China, Europe and even the United States. You preach about the Book of Revelation? You should be ashamed of yourself.

    • Wallabee

      You are trying to judge Spencer based on your own personal (mis) interpretation of Scripture. He is evaluating the historical evidence behind the existence or non-existence of an historical "Mohammad". This has nothing to do with the Book of Revelation.

      And, as has been mentioned by others, the Book of Revelation by and large, is speaking of the End Times, not something that occurred over a thousand years ago. Revelation speaks a lot about the Anti-Christ, and false prophets, but does not in any way directly identify it with Mohammad.

      Mohammad, if he did exist, could be easily viewed as a type of anti-Christ. Certainly, his teachings and supposed life (e.g. Haadith) were clearly anti-Christian and contrary to the teachings and life of Christ. But to take it any further in contradicting Spencer, is to read too much of your own personal views into the Biblical text. (eisegesis; look it up)

      • Gunner57

        Why would anybody build the Dome of the Rock 50 years to somebody after somebody who never existed? What a bunch of narrow minded buffoons.

        If you can't figure out that Muhammad IS the False Prophet of Revelation not to be confused with other false prophets of Scripture, you must be an idiot.

    • mlcblog

      You are afar off with your information.

    • WordsPerMinute

      I have puzzled over that phrase False Prophet too. My own instincts after years of self-study is to tightly restrict its meaning to the Jewish sense. Thinking of Isaiah the prophet here for example who proclaimed that Messiah will come. Well He did. Islam constantly mocks and "one-ups" the Living Word but it does not try to proclaim a Messiah and at that point my knowledge of Quran fails me. But it was not around during the life of John the Apostle and his recording of a vision so I don't see how "Muhammed" could be included as a fake Jewish mouthpiece. That is what I think False Prophet is: A fake Jewish mouthpiece for the 2nd coming.

    • Amused

      there is no mention of Mohamed ANYWHERE in the BIBLE , OLD or NEW testaments , or even in the several books or writings excluded from the Bible for various reasons . no mention at all . Several "false prophets are mentioned , with NONE specifically named Mohamed .If islam originated in 513 C.E. that's long after any Biblical writings ..

    • Asher

      There are alot of inconsistencies in the Koran, and there is also Muhammed's history of marrying very young girls, which is in itself a perversion. Why does the Koran speak of peace and yet promote Jihad which is not peace?

      • Gunner57

        It is called abrogation. Do your homework, dhimmi.

  • dodo

    Islam is obviously a belief system plagarized from the Jews inclluding the Jewish pork thing.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      But not the 'suicide bomber' or 'stone the rape victims' thing.

    • WordsPerMinute

      dodo, Roger, you crack me up. Yup that's it in a nutshell. If you can see my previous reply above I mention my opinion that Islam mocks and "one-ups" God. Hagar mocked Sarah and I imagine Ishmael did too. Ishy-baby was predicted to be violent and have his hand on everyone and everyone's hand on him, he and his descendants that is. Genesis 16-23? Nevertheless because he was seed of Abraham God gave Ishy-baby a blessing and that was that his descendants would one day be too numerous to count, strong and powerful, live east of all his brothers and be a wild donkey of a man (Ishy-baby)

  • YMKhan

    I think Mr Spenser does not know Mohammed is illiterate,Ummee.How can he take texts from Bible and Torah?First of all he must know the authentic life history of Prophet Mohammed.Slandering any religion is unbecoming of agood critic.

    • cjk

      "Ummee.How can he take texts from Bible and Torah?"

      Ummee, a DUH, DUH,? Maybe someone spoke of those texts to him? Ummee, a duh, duh?
      Came to my mind less than a second after reading your ridiculous comment.
      You must be a pedophile worshiper to even think of a reason such as that; clearly brain dead.

    • Wallabee

      Mohammad (if he existed) was taught these texts orally and incorporated them into his so-called "revelation". However, by and large the texts do not reflect the Bible/Torah (these are not two separate books, by the way; Torah is included in the Christian Bible). The texts frequently are derived from heretical Christian and Jewish sects that existed in the Arabian peninsula during this time period.

      But Spencer's point in this book is to indicate that much if not all of what we are told in the Q'uran and Haadith about Mohammad may have been fabricated for current political reasons over a century after Mohammad's supposed death.

      As Spencer notes, this process of examining the historicity of Biblical persons such as Jesus and Moses, and the historical veracity of the Bible in general, has been going on for centuries now.

      Christianity and Judaism remain well intact by such studies. In fact, the truth or falsehood of various conclusions from such historical analysts form a substantial part of even conservative evangelical Seminary studies.

      But the question remains… why is Islam the ONLY religion that is afraid and enraged by such questioning???

      • Stuart Parsons

        You may delude yourself by believing Judaism and Christianity have stood up to scrutiny, but neither, just like Islam, can provide even one scrap of VERIFIABLE evidence for the existence of a god. Christianity, may well have its origins in the Osiris-Dionysus myths and from the evidence of the Quran, Sunnah and Sirah, the origins of Islam may be found in a cess pit.

        Nevertheless, I must admit that loving one's enemies and turning the other cheek are greatly to be preferred to kill them wherever you find them, stone her to death and non-Muslims are the, in Allah's eyes, the vilest of creatures,

        • cjk

          You cannot provide even one scrap of VERIFIABLE evidence that God doesn't exist.

          • ofer

            You canot prove that there are no creatures with 2 heads and one brain.
            Or that there is no green sun in the univers.

          • cjk

            So………?

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      Any good critic just evaluates the evidence and tells what he finds.
      If you can find fault with what he says, instead of just ripping on his for saying it… then you might have a point.

      Until then, you're just defending the indefensible.

    • RoguePatriot6

      "Slandering any religion is unbecoming of agood critic."

      Then you're going to have your hands full with nagging all of the trolls, lame stream media and Hollywood, when they slander Christianity.

    • WordsPerMinute

      Telling the truth about a savage religion is not slander. If I saw you trying on clothes at Dilard's and told you that shirt sucked with those pants I'm not slandering you I am telling you the truth.

      Robert Spencer is beyond a good critic he is a man of letters and worthy of respect. So if you want to donate your money because you worship terrorism that is your prerogative but I wish you wouldn't.

      Beg the Creator of Heaven and Earth that Muhammad was not human; otherwise he has only just begun writhing in Hell struggling to tell his descendants of the horrible place he is in. That is the fate of ALL Muslims that have died in their sins.

    • Amused

      It ain't slander when it's TRUE

  • singanewsong

    Gunner57
    Please site Chapter and verse in Revelation where Muhammad' name is mentioned. I can't seem to find any reference to that. Anti-christ, yes, but in my opinion Islam itself is anti-christ in denying Jesus as God and not dying on that cross. However, today, we have quite a few anti-christs even in our own churches.

    • Gunner57

      He is the 'False Prophet' of the Book of Revelation. If you don't where it is then try reading it. Furthermore, if you can find another false prophet that has stolen more souls from Jesus Christ YOU let me know.

    • Gunner57

      I do not know what Bible that read but mine does not talk about a capital 'A' boogeyman called the Anti-Christ. John talks about as you said anti-Christs and even gives you a definition of what they are.. Muhammad is THE FALSE PROPHET Do you actually think that some mythical false prophet is going to suddenly come along and steal more souls from Jesus Christ than Muhammad has done for the past 14 centuries with his grip increasing exponentially?

  • kafirman

    Muhammand MUST have existed. After all, even the fraud-in-chief, Barack Hussein Obama (peace be upon him), indicated in his Cairo speech that "Islam was REVEALED."

    But then again Barack Hussein Obama (peace be upon ALL his pro-child killing ways, his envy of his neighbor's goods and his homosexual past) may just be the persona for Barry Soetero or Harrison J. Bounel or someone like that.

    • Amused

      jerk

    • Amused

      You're a real bonfide SCHMUCK kafirman….and a LIAR

  • esperantominoria

    Here is an article about another MYTH,that of Saladin.Read

    ,b>"Proof the Idea Saladin(1138-1193),the Muslim Conqueror of Jerusalem,was the Incarnation of Chivalry is a Myth Worth Nothing"
    http://www.antisharia.com/2012/04/27/proof-the-id

    AND ALSO

    "Razia Al-Din,the Only Female Sultan of India,and one of the Two Women Sultanas in Muslim History"
    http://www.antisharia.com/2011/08/28/razia-al-din

  • burke

    Read the book, fellas! I have. Mohammed’s story was written by the Umayyads and Abbasids to support their dynasties. ‘Mohammed the superhero of Arabs’ did not exist before that. There is almost no evidence of Mohammed at the time of his supposed life. It is most likely Abu Bakr and Omar assassinated a mad religious tyrant and thought that would be the end of it. Later generations found the myth useful and re-invented Mohammed as prophet, but the stench of Mohammed’s barbarism never left Islam, so Muslims try to turn a liability into an asset. Mohammed’s rapes and slaughters show his virility to Muslims, but to the modern world, they merely show Mohammed’s criminality. The ‘Mohammed’ of early Islam is an embarrassment to modern Muslims that won’t go away.

  • http://alwaysonwatch3.blogspot.com/ Always_On_Watch

    A few years ago, I attended a lecture given by former Muslims who are now missionaries for Christianity.

    I haven't read Mr. Spencer's book yet because of personal and time constraints, but I clearly remember those missionaries I just mentioned speaking of matters that this new book apparently covers in some detail.

  • Mark

    Did Muhammad exist? Yes I think so. Muhammad was an illiterate, mass murderer, rapist, child molester Jew murderer, pirate, enslaver/murderer of women and severe cruelty and murder of dogs. There is a Greek Orthodox church built near the holy Mount Sini. They have a contract signed by Muhammad that guarantees the churches safety and protects the church from ever being looted. Muhammad was totally illiterate and could not even sign his name. Muhammad put his hand on the paper and signed it by inking his hand to paper like a hand seal. If its real, it is evidence he existed. It is told amount us Jews that Muhammad put to death several Jewish family tribes in and around Meca and Medina when they were conquered by Muhammad’s army. Some Jewish families were allowed to leave, others who would notleave were killed. Men all murdered, woman enslaved, raped and forced married. Children also raped and forced married or killed. Muhammad is not someone to follow unless you have desire to rape, murder and enslave people. Muhammad is was a totally evil man. I pray Muhammad is burning in Hell, forever having done to him what evil he did to innocent people. That would be G-d’s justice.

    • Wallabee

      > If its real, it is evidence he existed.

      And, since the candy appeared in my stockings on Christmas Eve, that proves Santa Clause exists! Lets not consider any other explanations!

      IF your premise (that Mohammad signed a contract) is true, THEN your conclusions (that Mohammad exists) are true. That's pretty obvious. But if the premise is not true, neither are your conclusions. That's the problem with such circular reasoning.

      I have tended to believe this murder, rapist, and pedophile existed.

      But I think I will wait to read Spencer's book before drawing any conclusions. And yes, if Mohammad really existed, there is no doubt he is burning in hell for the centuries of evil, death and misery he has directly caused and inspired in this world.

      • Eyes_Open

        But the same circular logic can be applied to Jesus. In which case there is no reason to believe that he existed. Not even a hand print remains as evidence of him.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          There is not only evidence and historical accounts of him, but there are also the prophetic hints that He was more than just a man.

    • Asher

      Very Well Said!

  • zonkerharris

    I’ve always wondered about the illiteracy of Mohammed. Why would Allah reveal his sacred word to an illiterate? It makes no sense. At least Moses understood the ten commandments.

  • H&R_ Barack

    RE: ~ "Did Muhammad Exist? "

    …………of course he did.

    Every one knows that Ellen G. White, and Joseph Smith existed!

    QUESTION: Did Joseph Smith, or, Muhammad ever walk on water?

    Moreover; ~ Did Muhammad rise from dead?

    • Addeen

      Answering on Muhammad, no he never walked on water, but he did split the moon by God's permission, not on his own, as God's proof to the Arabs who questioned his prophecy. And no, Muhammad did not rise from dead. He was buried the next day after his death at the same place where he died, near the great masjid in Madinah.

      • Yeshuaisadonai

        Problem is that Muhammad claims in the Qur'an that he never performed a miracle. So either the Qur'an is false or the hadith you are referencing is false.

  • Allahhuwachazir

    I am a Muslim Arab, I enjoy living in my own filth and having sex with my sister.
    Goodbye very much.

    • benjabomachal

      I am certain that you enjoy sex with your mother in preference to sex with your sister,
      after all the mother has years more experience

  • Johan

    All you hear and see it's all about war. Islam stands for jihad. It is not a religion, their God is Allah and Allah says it's OK to have sex with your own sister. You call this a religion?

    • Addeen

      Johan… Johan, stop listening to people. Let me clarify, Islam means to submit. in Islam it is not OK to have sex until you are married. If you have divorced, it is not OK to have sex with your EX. It is not OK to have sex with family members, sister, mother, grandmother, cousins, etc. You are not allowed to marry family members on your side, but it is OK to marry those from your wife's or husband's side if he or she dies, but not the parents, grandparents, and those above. (getting a bit detail here, but knowledge is free). And GOD in the arabic language is ALLAH. Pls don't be spreading what you think about Islam. Any more questions, I will try to answer. Thanks.

      • Indus Valley

        No Thanks…We know enough about this cult called Islam ;)

  • ObamaYoMoma

    That is startling. But why embark on such an inquiry at all?
    Religious faith, any religious faith, is something that people hold very deeply. Muslims will regard the very idea of applying historical scrutiny to the traditional account of Islam’s origins as an affront, won’t they?

    Actually, that is an extremely naïve question as there is no faith in Islam, since Islam requires first and foremost that all adherents totally, completely, and unconditionally submit to the will of Allah and at the same time forbids the freedom of conscience, and to enforce that first and foremost tenet of Islam, Islam makes blasphemy and apostasy capital offenses.

    Hence, Muslims don't have any other choice in the matter at least publicly they don't, as they either adhere to the will of Allah, i.e., Sharia, or otherwise they will be executed. There is no faith in Islam, since Muslims are compelled and coerced to strictly adhere to the texts and tenets of Islam under the pain of death. Indeed, Islam is not a faith-based religion like genuine religions. It does have some religious aspects to it, but nevertheless Islam for the most part is a supremacist theo-political totalitarian ideology that masquerades as being a faith-based religion to dupe the gullible societies it intends to subjugate into a very draconian form of Islamic totalitarianism via the imposition Sharia. Take a look at the Islamic world, it's nothing but a big Islamic totalitarian hellhole.

    Islam is a faith rooted in history.

    I disagree with Spencer's mischaracterization here. Islam is not a faith. Muslims can't question or challenge the texts and tenets of Islam, leave Islam, or convert to a faith-based religion the same way adherents of genuine faith-based religions can freely do so without incurring a death penalty in the process. This is a very important distinction here that sets Islam apart from all genuine faith-based religions. As the first and foremost tenet of Islam is total, complete, and unconditional submission to the will of Allah where the freedom of conscience is forbidden. As a matter of fact, the word Islam in Arabic means “to submit” and the word Muslim in Arabic means “one who submits.”

    Indeed, Islam should be outlawed and banished from the West ASAP on the grounds that it isn't a genuine faith-based religion and is instead a supremacist theo-political totalitarian ideology that masquerades as being a religion to dupe the gullible societies it intends to subjugate into a very draconian form of Islamic totalitarianism via the imposition of Sharia.

    In fact, the problem isn't with so-called Islamic extremists, i.e., so-called Islamists, radical Muslims, violent extremists, or whatever, as all those people are really mainstream orthodox Muslims. The problem is with Islam itself, as the last thing Islam is, is a so-called Religion of Peace™. Hell, Islam is not even a damn religion, more than it is a supremacist theo-political totalitarian ideology that aims to conquer the world. In how many Islamic states is freedom, liberty, equality, and human rights intrinsic? The answer is zero, because Islam is 100 percent totalitarian.

    Indeed, Islam may be rooted in history, but the last thing Islam is, is a faith! Faith's don't compel their adherents under the pain of death.

    Whether Muhammad really received messages from the angel Gabriel may be a faith judgment, but whether he lived at all is a historical one.

    Actually, it's not a matter of faith at all, as Muslims don't have any other choice but to believe it under the pain of death.

  • dougjmiller

    Islam is not a religion. It's an extreme political ideology that uses monotheism to justify mass murder, territorial expansion, grand theft, genocide, slavery, discrimination against women, violent oppression, cultural supremism, perversions, intolerance, drug abuse and hatred on a massive scale.

  • JAMIL

    FRIENDS I SPEAK ENGLISH NOT SO GOOD. BUT I WANT THAT YOU KNOW HOW MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IS EXISTING LIKE ME OR YOU. HE IS THE LAST AND GOODLY PROPHET OF ALAH THE MOST GRACIOUS WITH MERCY. I AM FEARING THAT SOME ZIONIST JEWISTS DID LIE ABOUT THE PROPHET. SO THEN YES YOU READ QUARAN AND YOU KNOW TRUTH ON ISLAM. ONE OF THE DAYS MAYBE YOU CAN KNOW THE LOVE OF ISLAM. YES ALSO LEADER BUSH OF YOUR AMERICANS KNOWS THIS TRUTH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nan2PC_-rxk

    • Stephen_Brady

      Jamil, I will never know the "love of Islam". I will fight Islam to the death. I've read the Koran, and I will never submit. Islam is an unholy and destructive force in the world. I found out the truth about Islam when the World Trade Center went down.

      Although my Jewish friends will disagree with me, the last prohpet was John, the Baptist, the forerunner of Jesus Christ. Muhammed … whom I believe actually lived (the chaos and destruction he unleashed upon the world could not have been spontanteous) … died 1400 years ago, but the result of his teachings lives on, today, and must be first contained, and then destroyed.

  • Pablo Miguer

    Jamil I pity you my friend. You need to read the quaran over and over again and then you will slowly by slowly start to notice serious contradictions in that book. Then you will ask yourself a reasonable question, if God ever given those contradicting revelations to Muhammad! God cannot contradict himself or even allow confusion to be taught to his people. Another reasonable question is about miracles. God granted power to all his messangers or the genuine prophets to perform miracles as a sign of authenticity of their message. Why didn't God grant Muhammad the same powers and instead Muhammad resorted to using the sword to communicate the so called Allah's message?

  • Swyne

    Addeen and Jamil;
    An interesting perverse variation between Islam and the religion of Israel is how divorce is handled. Is Islam if a husband wishes to remarry the wife he divorced, SHE MUST FIRST HAVE MARRIED INTERC***SE WITH SOMEONE ELSE. THEN THEY CAN REMARRY. Under Mosaic law the islamic rule is an utter abomination to God. Pimping your wife is possible in Islam.
    And the worship place built in Jerusalem…is dedicated to the Praised of God: Jesus Christ.
    And the early “Islamic ” empire coinage…had a CROSS ON THE COIN. read the book, watch other interviews on the book, you may find that Mohammed started an empire rooted in a judeao-christian heresy, and Islam developed to secure the empire (ideologically) against the Historic Orthodox Christianity of the lands it had conquered.

  • Lee

    Of course Muhammad exists – you might recognize him by his real name – satan.

  • PeteWaldo

    "Until the 690s, the conquered people refer to the conquerors as Hagarians, Saracens, Taiyaye, or other names, but never as “Muslims,” and give no hint, even in religious polemic, that they came with a new religion."

    If there was "NO HINT" of their coming with a new religion, then where did the term "hagarian" com from? I didn't have much luck yahooing it, but it seems to suggest a reference to their "tradition" regarding HAGAR, and thus Hagarian. (who supposedly wandered 1200 KM from Beersheba to Mecca, across harsh, barren, unexplored, uncharted, untraveled desert wasteland on a single skin of water, only to arrive in one of the driest areas that even Arabia has to offer. And doing it most of a millennium before history suggests the first caravan was ever able to make that trip along the Red Sea.).

  • Jesusinator

    Ok, and christ said that the law was valid until the heaven and earth passes away. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      Yes He did. I'm glad you caught that. "The Law".
      How much did God write with His finger on stone and give as His Law?

      Now that we've settled that, we can move on.

      • Jesusinator

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        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          Why should you be allowed to just make that up?
          I agree with Christ, and understand the law written in stone will stand just as long as the God who wrote it.

          I still haven't seen you quote the text that says that for the rest of the OT.

  • Ty Abu Abdullah Caldwell

    Um how is Robert spencer a Scholar on Islam when he holds NO degrees diplomas or certificates?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    The reason we have religious wars isn't that simple.
    We have people who just advocate for violence, even if they can blame it on religion.

    24 minutes ago @ Breitbart.tv – Soldier Found Guilty i… · 1 reply · +1 points
    "The whole town needs locked in the church and the church set on fire. IMO"

    Some religions are not violent, but have to defend themselves, like the Hindu's of India.
    Perhaps you should blame the violence on the people actually comitting it?

  • ObamaYoMoma

    It's kind of hard to have a religious war with Islam, especially since Islam is really a supremacist theo-political totalitarian ideology that masquerades as being a religion to dupe gullible useful idiots and the societies it intends to subjugate into a very draconian form of Islamic totalitarianism via the imposition of Sharia. Don't lose your day job, from the look of things, you may not find another.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Are you back to multi-part rants again?

    Are you so unable to focus that you can't just make a comment that makes sense and post it?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    And none of them were following the teachings of Christ.

    So, what was your point?
    Christianity went through a bloody and painful reformation due to friars that didn't follow Christ's teachings and all of Christianity was better for it. That doesn't mean fallen people are perfect, it means we have a higher focus when we do blow it. And for each Christian atrocity, why do you ignore thousands of muslim ones?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    You do have so many muslim friendly positions, it's not a huge shock they don't.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Multi part rants show you have perfect sense?
    Are you listening to the little voices in your head again?

  • Stephen_Brady

    You're so kind to us deluded Christians. Thank you, so much.

    So. Are you a strong or weak atheist, or an agnostic? If you're a weak atheist, what moral problem do you face on a daily basis, that you refuse to deal with? If you're a strong atheist, present evidence that God does not exist. If you're an agnostic, what else dont you know?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    He's just a hate filled bigot. Strange that on a story about mohammad he attacks Chrsitians.
    Do you notice how he always turns it around and ignores the very things about islam that he pretends to hate about Christianity?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Simple solution, don't get upset when I expose you for you hate filled bigotry time after time.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Just further along in the thread you attacked Christianity on all sorts of issues.

    And you never seem concerned about the founding of islam. So, once again I repeat for you since you're slow, why do you attack Christianity and take muslim friendly positions to do so?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Perhaps he knew more about the people that were committing human sacrifices than you do.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    Per the name of the website you referenced, i.e., Islamreform.net, how can Islam be reformed since unlike Christianity Islam isn't a genuine faith-based religion, but instead a supremacist theo-political totalitarian ideology that masquerades as being a religion to dupe gullible useful idiots and societies? Indeed, Islam is not capable of ever being reformed any more than Communism, Nazism, and Fascism were capable of being reformed. Islam must be destroyed not reformed, as attempting to reform Islam would be a terrible fool's game, not unlike our two fantasy-based nation-building missions in Iraq and Afghanistan that inevitably turned into the two biggest strategic blunders ever in American history.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Why would God want to allow human sacrifice?
    He has mercy and loves life. Those human sacrifices were never tolerated, even when Jews did them before being taken to Babylon.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    No, I don't know that. You focus on one and keep ripping on it, when it's not the things you keep attacking it for.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    You exist. You are clearly the result of intelligent design. And not just you, but the world around you as well. From the Bombadier beetle to the praying mantis.

    Creation happened, even if you want to pretend it accidently happened. What evolved first? The feathers or the talons on birds of prey? Creation is the logical explanation.

  • Stephen_Brady

    First, if you're a strong atheist, it's up to you to do the same thing as theists, that is, to provide evidence for His non-existence. As a philosopher, I can tell you that … at the very least … the theistic "proofs" for the existence of God don't do the job, but we're still requred to provide them. A strong atheist would claim the same knowledge of God as a theist, and so would therefore need to provide his proofs for God's non-existence.

    God dwells in the realm of faith which, if you claim to be a strong atheist, you must adhere to. If you believe that God, in fact, does not exist, you have "faith" that this is true, because you cannot prove it. Qualitatively, there is no difference between your beliefs and my beliefs.

    As to creation, the traditional view of Christian theologians is that God exists outside of time and space. You could only be correct if God were forced to live in a universe or physical dimension. By definition, God cannot be forced to do anything.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    My my, don't like it when you want to spread hate and I trip you up?

    Just find a web site that appreciates your brand of poisoned mind.

  • Jesusinator

    Well if he loved why the great flood? It seems to me acts of genocide contradict your assertion <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    Of course you know. Yuu use it as a weak defense when backed into a corner <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Muslim friendly positions like stoning of rape victims?
    Because it's barbaric and I value life.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Facts are what they are.

    9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

    I thought you pretended to hate islam as much as you do Christianity. Your al Taqiyya is wearing thin.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    My my, is this the same person who just defended muslim friendly positions elsewhere in the thread? Yes, it is!

    So, you're just a troll with an anti-Christian agenda.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    It seems to me you need to read the Bible and see what it says.

    My assertion is carried out over and over. but a muslim friendly troll pushing an agenda wouldn't admit that for fear of being stoned for apostasy.

  • Jesusinator

    You’re confusing “creation” with “transformation.” Transformation takes place when already existing elements are combined to generate new structures. Transformations produced by humans are not proof of something coming into existence; but, rather, proof that man has a unique ability to transform elements, which already exist, into entirely new forms. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    Where have I ever supported stoning rape victims? It's disgusting <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    I don't like any religion. I can puull bible verses that come very close to matching that from the OT (which is still to be followed) it still does not change the fact that islam is just as much of a religion as christianity. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    It will be a cold day in he ll when you trip me up. Just find a website that supports your anti-anything christian world domination agenda <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    You asked why I attacked muslim friendly positions.
    I simply pointed out that I don't condone barbarity as you seem to.
    Remember this one?

    24 minutes ago @ Breitbart.tv – Soldier Found Guilty i… · 1 reply · +1 points
    "The whole town needs locked in the church and the church set on fire. IMO "

    Why do you always call for barbarity at every possible chance?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    And none of those texts are teachings of Christ for the modern Christian church.

    So, you fall flat at every turn.

    You hate Christianity, we get that. Why do you ignore the very barbarity you pretend to be outraged by then only sniff at islam when backed into a corner?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    You pretend creation is 'transformation'. I say Creation is just that, 'creation'.

    And how do you know the elements were pre-existing? God is powerful enough to make old things, if you make the carbon based life then you can make it either immature or completely mature. It's not proof of anything you want to pretend.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    You better have a jacket handy, because it must be freezing there now.

  • Jesusinator

    Why do you support a town of chirstians who beat a lady and burned her house to the ground? <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    Yes they are, the heaven and earth habe not yet passed away. You christians ignore that <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    I doubt it. YOu have yet to trip me up. H ell you can't even keep up with most on most days <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    I have read it. In the flood he kills just about everybody. That is genocide <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Are you string at your work desk struggling to come up with enough comments to meet your quota for the day?

    And is it evil to stop future suffering? You're not God.

  • Jesusinator

    Then prove it. Prove he exists. If not all your assertions are just that assertions with no facts to back up that your god or any other god is real. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Of course, like you listed a single teaching of Christ Hitler used to excuse his evil?

    You go on and pretend all you want.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    I don't know that town of Christians did any such thing. And if they did I support a fair trial, not violent vigilante attacks with a slow painful death.

    Why do you hold so many violent leaning muslim friendly positions?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    I have, I exist. And I'm the clear result of intelligent design.

  • Jesusinator

    Are you sitting in mommies basement trying to sound releveant? He created the suffering according to your bible. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    I did over and over again with bible texts. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Did you really? Do you think that quoting old texts that even modern Jews don't follow proves anything to me as a Christian?

    You fail to ever tie the two together. I as a Christian focus on the teachings of Christ, the same Christ that taught His Father's ten commandments, the ones that won't pass away.

    You don't understand the Bible well enough to even understand what you're talking about. And you're just bigoted enough to not care if you made sense.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Are you still at your work terminal struggling to meet your trolling quota for the day and not caring if you sound relevant?

    And the Bible talks about Satan rebelling in heaven, that's where suffering started.
    And it wasn't God.

  • Jesusinator

    You exist because mommy had s ex with the football team. You just did not appear,YOU are in no way intelligent <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    I compared him with NT texts. I can do it again, but what's the point? You only see what you want to see. You are not open to anything that disagrees with your warped sense of reality. You think the internet is real life <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    I thought heaven was suppose to be a perfect place? How can that happen if heaven is perfect? God created satan knowing before what he would he would do. This makes no sense to anyone with common sense <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    God created satan with free choice, like you have.
    You also should know being the Bible expert that you are that satan doesn't make it into heaven.

  • Ricky Michael

    You can't understand being blessed if you don't know what suffering is all about. Freewill was granted to all created beings, including Satan. God, being all powerful can choose not (to LOOK) if he wants to. This is something you constantly ignore.

    Part of being dead is that the cares for the worldly things and concerns no longer affect you. Because of knowledge that overwhelms you when you die you know that this world was a training ground or testing ground if you will. You realize instantly all things God does, his plans, the reasons, everything. Then you realize how wrong you were not to see this here. God is right in front of your face when you look at all creation.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    You never did it the first time.
    Christ admitted His teachings would cause resistance. People such as yourself react viscerally to them. But it never called for Christians to be the ones actively causing that violence.

    You just keep floundering on this because you're trying to make Christianity into something it isn't.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    And that's the best you can do?
    What about the Bombadier beetle?

    Just what evolved on the snakes to keep them from having limbs?
    Evolution makes no sense when you look at the world around you.

  • Jesusinator

    My question is. Why create suffering and satan if you know it will onl;y lead to evil. That is what a sick and twisted mind would do. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Eyes_Open

    "Freewill was granted to all created beings, including Satan." Not true. The angels (that would include Satan) didn't have free will, that was one of the sources of jealousy that turned 1/3 against "god". Another contradictory point, they were envious of free will given to man, so they turned against man and god, but they would need free will to turn against man and god, which they didn't have. Curious?

  • Jesusinator

    I never defended anything muslim. Try again <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    I am just going back to when christians burned people alive. You know an eye for an eye sort of thing <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Ricky Michael

    Hebrews 8
    7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people………………………………….13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

    You ignore this.

  • Jesusinator

    Evolution can be divided into two parts, macro and micro. Micro evolution is a fact, where as macro evolution remains a theory due to debates on the exact steps of the evolutionary process. EVOLUTION DID HAPPEN we simply can’t trace the exact evolutionary steps of the of the 3 trillion plus species on earth. Considering there is no way that we can even prove if we have located all the species on earth, this may always remain a theory. We can prove though, beyond a doubt, that humans have evolved. We can trace it back conclusively 3.6 million years. 97% of all scientists accept evolution (so does the Catholic Church). Christians have spread lies about this excessively, they especially like to say evolution preaches that Humans evolved from monkeys. Evolution does not state that humans evolved from monkeys, that idea is completely absurd. Science states that monkeys and humans evolved from a shared forefather and are hence relatives, (all primates are) but we are in no way direct descendants of them. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    and he knew before he created satan what satan would do <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    I make it what it is. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    What you keep saying is Christianity, it's not Christianity. The life of Mother Theresa proves it.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    No, that's not the 'eye for an eye' kind of thing.
    And where did Christ teach anyone to do that as His follower?

    You keep failing with all this hate.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Did He? Would you want to be a robot bowing to a God that didn't give you the facilities to think and reason about it?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Would you rather have forced worship from mindless drones?

  • Ricky Michael

    Because this world is not the all in all you think it is. Open your mind to bigger things.

    The hurts and pain are really minor in the overall grand scheme of things. Death, is not the end you think it is. All who lived still exist, somewhere else. Where that somewhere is for everyone is determined by the things we do here.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    I said you have 'muslim friendly' positions. Try again. If you want to put words in my mouth I'm not going to make it easy for you.

    So, are you almost to your troll quota for the day?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    And creation can be explained in one fell swoop. The Almighty designed and made it.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Touche!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    But you aren't the one using it.

  • Jesusinator

    Of course it is. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    So we have another huge biblical contradiction <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Ricky Michael

    He did exactly what you wanted, gave mircales to establish proof. He also sent his own son here so humans could actually "see" God in the flesh. Yet, you whine because he doesn't do it every day now so you can see it.

    You rationalize everything according to your standards as you see them. Not everyone needs the constant assurances that you require. I can look at the mircale of life itself and know that God is there in all things. Even the Stars in the night sky screams out his existance and you can't see with open eyes because you have closed your mind to it.

  • Stephen_Brady

    I will concentrate on one poiint, above. You say that the Bible is outdated, and unoriginal, and that … therefore … Christians cannot use it as evience for God's existence. But it is God Himself, throug the Holy Spirit, who convinces people of the truths in the Bible. Once again, by definition, these revealed truths cannot be effectively used in debate with non- believers, who have not opened their hearts or intellects to those truths.

    But there's one thing that you have completely wrong, above … and it's used by atheists, the world over. That's the idea that an "omnipotent god …. demand[s] worship". God does not want worshippers. He wants followers. Not one time, in the New Testament, did Jesus say, "Worship me." He said, "Follow me." God wants action, not worship.

  • Jesusinator

    God is omniscient. When he created the universe, he saw the sufferings which humans would endure as a result of the sin of those original humans. He heard the screams of the damned. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    I would rather have NO worship at all. The world would be better off <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    I know you are though. Which is why you are a simpleton <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Quote me.

    You have muslim friendly positions and defend them. You simply ignore the words in that which mock you, reality must be difficult with so much hate.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Says the man who thinks Hitler was a follower of Christ.
    You seek a lot of things, but truth is not on the list.

    That by your own definition makes you a simpleton.
    You know, you're not a challenge any more. You're simply way to predictable. Is it time you switch to one of your other parallel profiles for a while?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Let's examine your hatred. You ignore all historical accounts to overlook everything you don't like. You ignore facts that oppose your unwarranted conclusions. Then you think you can sound sophisticated by rambling on in multi-part rants?

    Get real.

  • Stephen_Brady

    Then why do you accept the non-existence of God as an article of faith? And take a look at the hysteria of atheists …

    In my small town, about 70 miles from Chicago, some paintings are displayed in a public park, every Christmas, portraying the the life of Christ from birth to Resurrection. There is one atheist in town who takes umbrage to this. I cannot tell you what it has cost the city to fight him in court (even after allowing him to put a banner in the park stating, "God is a Myth"). The city has finally won this battle, but at considerable cost.

    One person out of twenty thousand. And you talk of hysteria.

    And if you go to hell, as you put it, you place yourself there. God provided the most wonderful gift … free of charge … to humans in the form of His Son. Remember, He doesn't worship. He wants you to follow Him. It may take you somewhere you don't wish to go …

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    And none of yours do that.

  • Stephen_Brady

    As a conservative philosopher, I once dealt with atheism on a daily basis. I have no hatred for atheists or agnostics. I've spent many an hour over coffee, discussing such matters with students. It helps to keep me young!

  • Ricky Michael

    Do you think he does not hurt like a Father when a child of his does thing worthy of punishment? What would you do if one of your many children killed one or more of your other children? Would you let him get by with it. YOU knew before they were concieved that one of them might be a bad seed, but you had him anyway and let him choose his own path. You also gave him a way to turn back and save himself if he wanted to.

    I would bet that the angel who excourts you to the fire will be crying all the way for you. You still have a chance to turn away from the fire.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    So you admit to His existence.

    How nice. As an atheist you would simply say that He didn't' exist and stick to that. You don't, you seem to have the muslim friendly talking points that attack the Chrsitian/Judeo Almighty while still having the other foot on the 'there might be a god' position.

    How convenient, and telling.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Don't be silly. Unless we aspire to be better, to copy the original place we had, there would be no better world. We'd be in chaos and anarchy such as all atheist societies are.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Too bad you weren't up to it.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Yet if that atheist presented himself at a Christian hospital he would get the best of care thanks to the beliefs of the God he wanted torn down.

  • Stephen_Brady

    I will follow up with an argument that can easily be torn apart, logically, and for multiple reasons. But it is one of the most compelling arguments for faith, to me.

    I've been married for 37 years, now. Although I didn't know it, at the time, the woman I eventually married was an exact duplicate of the character Eowyn, in the Lord of the Rings. I fell for her, immediately.

    This woman loves me. How do I know it? Surely, there are things … little things … that she does for me, that scream "love!'. But how can I possibly quantify her love for me? Some people might say that the little hings she does for me are some sort of social duty, from a wife to a husband, but I don't expect her to do these things.

    How do I know that she loves me? I know. I have faith. I trust her. She has never failed me. I know it …

    When you come up with a viable scientific explanation for this, let me know!

  • Ricky Michael

    Excellent points in your arguments. Thank you for your service.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    No, it's not. And the pink ponies that keep you saying that are really more violet, don't you think?

    Why should you be the only one here allowed to just make things up?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Of course not. In the muslim mind set that might appear that way.
    But not to those who understand the Christian teachings.

    You show how small your limits are when you act this way.

  • Ricky Michael

    You do not understand what the OT was all about. You read everything superfically and don't even try to understand what the message is teaching. That's why all you see is a supposed contradiction when none reallly exist. The entire OT pointed to the coming even, the christ. When the christ came, all things were fullfilled in him for those who believe in him. Keepers of the OT law will all die by the requirement of the law, unless the accept the christ.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    But he doesn't fail on them.
    Your words speak for themselves.

  • Stephen_Brady

    You saythat I "fall on [my] argument", and then state that you were raised in a Christian household. But you don't state how I fell on my argument. Most of the atheists and agnostics I've known were raised in Christian or Jewish households. What does that prove?

    Without some sort of explanation, all that I can conclude is that you're young, in rebellion, and possibly in the first or second year of college.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Wouldn't they?

    As a hypothetical that's not even believable.

  • Jesusinator

    But he let his own son get tortured to death. What kind of father would not step in and stop that? I did not know one of children could be a bad seed and have never thought that. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Christ was willing to pay for our sins.
    God was willing to do that much for us.

    And clearly you're not God and you don't understand how bad sin is, even if you denounce it constantly.

  • Ricky Michael

    You know what I meant. Twisting it around doesn't change anything. Don't play dumb with me, I know how smart you are.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Why is it wrong to denounce muslim friendly positions?
    I'm against violence and intolerance.

    You haven't shown that's a bad thing. You have shown it's something you don't agree with me on.

    I will denounce positions I see as barbaric, like stoning rape victims. (a muslim friendly position)

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Did you? You made up all those talking points.

    And what did it show? That your ideas and claims don't stand on their own.

    Can't you just make up something really interesting like I'm really a talking muffin or something?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    You think you know us well enough to determine our foundings.

    You don't and the answer is yes.

  • Stephen_Brady

    At the outset, I would say that you will get the answer you expect. I was raised in a Christian household. But I rebelled against … not God … but having to spend so much time in church.

    Then, I went to Vietnam, serving with the 101st Airborne, and as a snper. It was my duty to collect information, and that meant hunting down the enemy and killing him, so that the experts could examine the results of my work. By all accounts, I was very good at it, with 47 confirmed kills and 17 probables. But do you know what this does to the shooter?

    My road back to the Christian faith has been a long one, through college and many doubts. Until, that is, that I realized that Jesus didn't want me to worship Him. He wanted me to follow Him, and act on what He taught me throlugh my parents, Sunday School, innumerable sermons, and so on. He wants me to follow Him, and emulate Him.

    And that is what I am doing, this morning.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Are you so desperate that you're starting to use random words now?

    How close are you to meeting your days allocation of trollish comments?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Why would I let you lie about my religion and not butt in to expose your fallacies?

  • Jesusinator

    So a human sacrifice pleased him? <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    You are not allowed to judge what you deem barbaric. You constantly ignore chirstians doing bad things but attack other religions when they do. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    No more than sin ever did.

  • Jesusinator

    I never said that. I asked him a question not you. A real christian would know when to keep quite, like right now <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    I exposed you for the faliure you are. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Of course I can.
    Who died and left you in charge of what people can deem to be barbaric? The forced 8th century lifestyle is barbaric by current western standards. I value life.

    And when someone doesn't, it's barbaric by definition.
    Go deem that what you will, but it shows just how accurate I was to say you have muslim friendly positions.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    No, but you keep pretending you have.
    And Hitler didn't follow a single teaching of Christ when he slaughtered millions.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    And a real debater would realize when he's been stomped on and go use a parallel profile for a while to let people forget how he was humiliated.

    Well, not a real debater. But an intelligent troll sitting at his work desk spitting out paid propaganda might. You don't even seem to rise to that level.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    I'm not sure he can rise to that level.

    His hate is stronger than his intellect.

  • Jesusinator

    It was not a twist. I find the idea that a man had to die for my sins revolting. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Yet your stupid arguments had him do it.

    You must be proud of yourself.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Yet God loved you that much, even knowing you might use your free will to reject Him.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Back to random words?

    How troll of you. Had you not been leveling hate filled bigoted comments that my religion didn't deserve it never would have come to that.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    How many civil people would sit at work and insult other religions in ways they know that religion doesn't deserve?

    Are you almost to your quota of comments for today?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    It's the only one I have.

    And it stands for what it stands for.

    You seem to twist that into things that simply aren't true, and you know it.

  • Ricky Michael

    WTE is older than that. He has a family. I know him quite well now. I have been debating him on this stuff for nearly a year now. Don't let him fool you, he knows the Bible better than 95% of the Christians on this site.

    I know roger pretty well too.