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	<title>Comments on: Grasshoppers in Zion: Israel and the Paradox of Modernity</title>
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		<title>By: WilliamJamesWard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WilliamJamesWard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 03:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It would be nice to find common ground, mutual understanding and values to share life  
and social commitments but the Islamists have not one that is not perverted with hate  
and loathing of non-Islamists. The closed thinking of Islam creates for themselves the  
outward appearance of humanity but on closer observation there is and indwelling of  
evil intent, lust and abominable opression which objectifies all others as spoils to be  
overtaken. Modern society is and excuse where not dealing with resident evil and destroying  
it root and branch has flummoxed the best of intentions and is incapable of stopping the  
circular deterioration of effort and expanding circle of friction which ends in violence and war.  
Not to oversimplify but the bottom line is to not couple with falsehood, recognise it as  
poisonious and as self defeating to ever try to coexist, in the case of Israel claiming the  
promised lands and keeping them clean of Islamist extremists is the right way to live,  
all else is deluded fantasy which will be understood but after how much suffering and  
loss of life, when will Israel change and remove their fate from the wheel of destruction.  
William ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be nice to find common ground, mutual understanding and values to share life<br />
and social commitments but the Islamists have not one that is not perverted with hate<br />
and loathing of non-Islamists. The closed thinking of Islam creates for themselves the<br />
outward appearance of humanity but on closer observation there is and indwelling of<br />
evil intent, lust and abominable opression which objectifies all others as spoils to be<br />
overtaken. Modern society is and excuse where not dealing with resident evil and destroying<br />
it root and branch has flummoxed the best of intentions and is incapable of stopping the<br />
circular deterioration of effort and expanding circle of friction which ends in violence and war.<br />
Not to oversimplify but the bottom line is to not couple with falsehood, recognise it as<br />
poisonious and as self defeating to ever try to coexist, in the case of Israel claiming the<br />
promised lands and keeping them clean of Islamist extremists is the right way to live,<br />
all else is deluded fantasy which will be understood but after how much suffering and<br />
loss of life, when will Israel change and remove their fate from the wheel of destruction.<br />
William </p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Schecter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen Schecter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 19:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In fact, Zionism is a very modern nationalism. Herzl, no less, insisted that the return of Israel to their ancient homeland and the establishment of a Jewish state would happen in a very modern fashion, in conformity with international law and accomplished with all the advances of modern technology and science. And this was going to make the creation of a pluralist and tolerant Jewish state easy. So he thought, and so too do the leaders of Israel today. Shimon Peres is still talking about the making of a new Middle East. The success of the Zionist project is attributable precisely to the modern culture the Zionists brought with them : labor, building the land, reaching out to the Arabs, democratic institutions. The Palestinian response, epitomized in the leadership of Haj Amin al-Husseini and after him Arafat, was and has remained pre-modern, down to their refusal to recognize and accommodate the existence of the Jews and their ancient attachment to the land of Israel. The most telling sign of this difference lies in the fact that the Israeli public has come to recognize the Palestinian Other, which is exactly what happens in a modern society, while the Palestinians cling to their tribal discourse which refuses to do just that. Hence the Palestinians see in the creation of the State of Israel only their &quot;naqba&quot;, their catastrophe, which they aim to reverse, and bend all their energies to that purposes. They never learn from their mistakes because only modern society gives people a premium for doing so. So yes, the modern West should pick the side of its modern ally, not its pre-modern enemy. Remember, the Palestinians danced in the streets when the Twin Towers fell. No Israelis did.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact, Zionism is a very modern nationalism. Herzl, no less, insisted that the return of Israel to their ancient homeland and the establishment of a Jewish state would happen in a very modern fashion, in conformity with international law and accomplished with all the advances of modern technology and science. And this was going to make the creation of a pluralist and tolerant Jewish state easy. So he thought, and so too do the leaders of Israel today. Shimon Peres is still talking about the making of a new Middle East. The success of the Zionist project is attributable precisely to the modern culture the Zionists brought with them : labor, building the land, reaching out to the Arabs, democratic institutions. The Palestinian response, epitomized in the leadership of Haj Amin al-Husseini and after him Arafat, was and has remained pre-modern, down to their refusal to recognize and accommodate the existence of the Jews and their ancient attachment to the land of Israel. The most telling sign of this difference lies in the fact that the Israeli public has come to recognize the Palestinian Other, which is exactly what happens in a modern society, while the Palestinians cling to their tribal discourse which refuses to do just that. Hence the Palestinians see in the creation of the State of Israel only their &quot;naqba&quot;, their catastrophe, which they aim to reverse, and bend all their energies to that purposes. They never learn from their mistakes because only modern society gives people a premium for doing so. So yes, the modern West should pick the side of its modern ally, not its pre-modern enemy. Remember, the Palestinians danced in the streets when the Twin Towers fell. No Israelis did.  </p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Schecter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen Schecter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 18:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Moses warned the Jews in Exodus, Leviticus, and Numbers against failing to heed the prescription of throwing out the idol-worshippers once the Israelites conquered the land. The consequences at the end of Leviticus for this failure make Queen Margaret&#039;s curses in Shakespeare&#039;s Richard III seem like a Sunday school picnic. In Deuteronomy Moses is at the end of his life, sitting with the Israelites on the eastern bank of the Jordan, wondering what else he can say to hold back the backsliding he foresees when his beloved children of Israel cross the river without him. So he recounts their long journey together, replete with the history of mutiny and grumbling he had to face for forty years, and reminding them again of what they were to do to keep the covenant and become the holy people God had intended them to be. Three times toward the end of the Book of Deuteronomy Moses warns them of the fateful consequences that will befall them for not upholding the law. Each time the prophecy foretold is worse, so that by the end the exile will not even be redeemed. The curses he foretells of in this book are even worse than the ones in Leviticus. But before he dies Moses nonetheless blesses the children of Israel; and in stark contrast to the blessings Jacob bestows upon his sons at the end of Genesis, these blessings are true blessings. Which is why Moses was such a great leader, reminding, chiding, pleading and blessing his people to the very end. Kind of like Jabotinsky. The Book of Deuteronomy is heart-rending in that respect, just as the story of Jabotinsky&#039;s life is. And the Jews still have not learned the lesson. Bert is right. Deuteronomy is a book well worth reading, as is the entire Old Testament, which remains the template of western literature. 
 ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moses warned the Jews in Exodus, Leviticus, and Numbers against failing to heed the prescription of throwing out the idol-worshippers once the Israelites conquered the land. The consequences at the end of Leviticus for this failure make Queen Margaret&#039;s curses in Shakespeare&#039;s Richard III seem like a Sunday school picnic. In Deuteronomy Moses is at the end of his life, sitting with the Israelites on the eastern bank of the Jordan, wondering what else he can say to hold back the backsliding he foresees when his beloved children of Israel cross the river without him. So he recounts their long journey together, replete with the history of mutiny and grumbling he had to face for forty years, and reminding them again of what they were to do to keep the covenant and become the holy people God had intended them to be. Three times toward the end of the Book of Deuteronomy Moses warns them of the fateful consequences that will befall them for not upholding the law. Each time the prophecy foretold is worse, so that by the end the exile will not even be redeemed. The curses he foretells of in this book are even worse than the ones in Leviticus. But before he dies Moses nonetheless blesses the children of Israel; and in stark contrast to the blessings Jacob bestows upon his sons at the end of Genesis, these blessings are true blessings. Which is why Moses was such a great leader, reminding, chiding, pleading and blessing his people to the very end. Kind of like Jabotinsky. The Book of Deuteronomy is heart-rending in that respect, just as the story of Jabotinsky&#039;s life is. And the Jews still have not learned the lesson. Bert is right. Deuteronomy is a book well worth reading, as is the entire Old Testament, which remains the template of western literature. </p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 09:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;There is no modern versus premodern dynamic when it comes to Israelis versus Palestinians, only a confrontation of two premodern dynamics, with Zionism representing a ghastly revival of barbaric tribalism in the modern age, and Islamism representing nothing better&quot; 
 
 
Israel has it&#039;s roots in ancient civilizations, as we all know. Islam is not just rooted, but stuck in the 7th century AD, about 14 centuries ago. 
 
Israel was the wellspring for modernity and Western civilization. Islam opposes everything the West, Israel and modernity stand for. 
 
Therefore based on your comments, evidence indicates that you couldn&#039;t be more ignorant about history in connection with virtually every important social issue today not to mention current events. I guess you&#039;re just parroting other bigots. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;There is no modern versus premodern dynamic when it comes to Israelis versus Palestinians, only a confrontation of two premodern dynamics, with Zionism representing a ghastly revival of barbaric tribalism in the modern age, and Islamism representing nothing better&quot; </p>
<p>Israel has it&#039;s roots in ancient civilizations, as we all know. Islam is not just rooted, but stuck in the 7th century AD, about 14 centuries ago. </p>
<p>Israel was the wellspring for modernity and Western civilization. Islam opposes everything the West, Israel and modernity stand for. </p>
<p>Therefore based on your comments, evidence indicates that you couldn&#039;t be more ignorant about history in connection with virtually every important social issue today not to mention current events. I guess you&#039;re just parroting other bigots. </p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Polly</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. Polly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 01:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Schecter says &quot;there is no peace process, only an enemy that has to be vanquished and made to pay for a hundred years of murder and mayhem&quot; -- which is exactly what radical Islamists say about the &quot;usurping Zionist entity.&quot;  There is no modern versus premodern dynamic when it comes to Israelis versus Palestinians, only a confrontation of two premodern dynamics, with Zionism representing a ghastly revival of barbaric tribalism in the modern age, and Islamism representing nothing better.  Neither side will be satisfied until it attains total supremacy and elimination of the hated Other.  And this is the conflict which Schecter says the modern West must pick a side in -- his side! ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Schecter says &quot;there is no peace process, only an enemy that has to be vanquished and made to pay for a hundred years of murder and mayhem&quot; &#8212; which is exactly what radical Islamists say about the &quot;usurping Zionist entity.&quot;  There is no modern versus premodern dynamic when it comes to Israelis versus Palestinians, only a confrontation of two premodern dynamics, with Zionism representing a ghastly revival of barbaric tribalism in the modern age, and Islamism representing nothing better.  Neither side will be satisfied until it attains total supremacy and elimination of the hated Other.  And this is the conflict which Schecter says the modern West must pick a side in &#8212; his side! </p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 00:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;We could defend modern society by holding the Arab Muslim world to account on the terrain of global society, which itself is modern, not traditional. This means making the societies in that part of the world pay for their trampling of human rights, their abuse of international forums, their lying and vitriolic attacks on Israel and the West. It means not supporting them with money and arms. And in the case of Israel, it means recognizing there is no peace process, only an enemy that has to be vanquished and made to pay for a hundred years of murder and mayhem. Which means no Palestinian state, Israeli sovereignty over Judea and Samaria, and in my books Gaza as well. And full western backing for this policy, which would, for America, have been a lot cheaper than wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and trying to modernize societies that do not want to be modern, not yet at any rate.&quot; 
 
 
I love this guy. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;We could defend modern society by holding the Arab Muslim world to account on the terrain of global society, which itself is modern, not traditional. This means making the societies in that part of the world pay for their trampling of human rights, their abuse of international forums, their lying and vitriolic attacks on Israel and the West. It means not supporting them with money and arms. And in the case of Israel, it means recognizing there is no peace process, only an enemy that has to be vanquished and made to pay for a hundred years of murder and mayhem. Which means no Palestinian state, Israeli sovereignty over Judea and Samaria, and in my books Gaza as well. And full western backing for this policy, which would, for America, have been a lot cheaper than wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and trying to modernize societies that do not want to be modern, not yet at any rate.&quot; </p>
<p>I love this guy. </p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 00:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Schecter: Modern society is a functionally differentiated society, not a hierarchical one. This means that every sphere of social life is autonomous of every other. Money can&#8217;t buy you love, nor an election, but it can buy you flowers and lawyers. Each sphere guarantees its operative independence by having its own valued resource circulate according to its own code. For example, money circulates in the economic sphere according to whether you are solvent or insolvent. If you have money or access to it via credit you can participate in it. Not having it does not deprive you of falling in love, nor of voting.&quot; 
 
And by the way, this is precisely why individual liberties are dependent on capitalism, and why socialism strangles both. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Schecter: Modern society is a functionally differentiated society, not a hierarchical one. This means that every sphere of social life is autonomous of every other. Money can&rsquo;t buy you love, nor an election, but it can buy you flowers and lawyers. Each sphere guarantees its operative independence by having its own valued resource circulate according to its own code. For example, money circulates in the economic sphere according to whether you are solvent or insolvent. If you have money or access to it via credit you can participate in it. Not having it does not deprive you of falling in love, nor of voting.&quot; </p>
<p>And by the way, this is precisely why individual liberties are dependent on capitalism, and why socialism strangles both. </p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 00:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I explain this in terms of the blind spot that comes as a result of living in a modern society, whose political form is a democracy. Modern society engenders expectations that favor tolerance, inclusion, compromise. It teaches people to put themselves in the place of the other. It fosters the idea that society is made up of people and all people are equal and want basically the same things, share the same aspirations. This makes it difficult for modern societies to understand traditional societies which operate on opposing principles and to accept that what they say is what they truly want. Hence the failure of the West to take seriously that the expectations generated by the Arab Muslim world, a society based on kinship and cemented by Islam &#8211; that the West is infidel, promiscuous, decadent and deserving of obliteration &#8211; are exactly that.&quot; 
 
Is that so hard to understand? Really? Ever visited an Islamic nation anonymously? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;I explain this in terms of the blind spot that comes as a result of living in a modern society, whose political form is a democracy. Modern society engenders expectations that favor tolerance, inclusion, compromise. It teaches people to put themselves in the place of the other. It fosters the idea that society is made up of people and all people are equal and want basically the same things, share the same aspirations. This makes it difficult for modern societies to understand traditional societies which operate on opposing principles and to accept that what they say is what they truly want. Hence the failure of the West to take seriously that the expectations generated by the Arab Muslim world, a society based on kinship and cemented by Islam &ndash; that the West is infidel, promiscuous, decadent and deserving of obliteration &ndash; are exactly that.&quot; </p>
<p>Is that so hard to understand? Really? Ever visited an Islamic nation anonymously? </p>
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		<title>By: Bert</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 17:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An excellent interview with much wisdom. Schecter advises us to read the entire book of Genesis and I agree. However, I would also suggest reading Chapter 28 of the book of Deuteronomy in which Moses summarizes essential lessons for Jewish survival. Briefly, it promises that if the Jews obey G-d&#039;s laws then they will be victorious, prosperous and secure. It also warns that if the Jews fail to obey then they will experience all manner of suffering and defeat at the hands of their enemies. In all of the learned discussions about Israel&#039;s predicament, with all of the opinions and &#039;solutions&#039;, this part of the Torah is never mentioned. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent interview with much wisdom. Schecter advises us to read the entire book of Genesis and I agree. However, I would also suggest reading Chapter 28 of the book of Deuteronomy in which Moses summarizes essential lessons for Jewish survival. Briefly, it promises that if the Jews obey G-d&#039;s laws then they will be victorious, prosperous and secure. It also warns that if the Jews fail to obey then they will experience all manner of suffering and defeat at the hands of their enemies. In all of the learned discussions about Israel&#039;s predicament, with all of the opinions and &#039;solutions&#039;, this part of the Torah is never mentioned. </p>
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