Is Islamic Jihad Not “Savagery”?

Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Pamela Geller, the founder, editor, and publisher of AtlasShrugs.com. She is the executive director of the American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI) and Stop Islamization of America (SIOA), and is a regular columnist for World Net Daily, the American Thinker, and other publications. She is the author of Stop the Islamization of America: A Practical Guide to the Resistance.

FP: Pamela Geller, thank you for joining FrontPage interview today.

Pamela Geller: Thank you, Jamie.

FP: Pamela, you have placed ads nationwide saying: “In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel. Defeat jihad.”

These ads have attracted a great deal of controversy. How Come?

PG: Jamie, this ad touched off a nationwide firestorm, with pundits and activists all over the country excoriating me for using the word “savage” to describe Islamic jihadists and supremacists. Leftists and Islamic supremacists denounced them as “racist” and “offensive.” For example, Ahmed Rehab of the Hamas-tied Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) recently denounced the ad on Chicago television, saying that since jihad is central to Islam, therefore “Defeat Jihad” means “Defeat All Muslims.” Then he says that because the ad refers to all Muslims, it is racist. These are two immense leaps of logic. We’re always told that the vast majority of Muslims reject jihad violence, but now suddenly when it comes to my ads, to refer to jihad means to refer to all Muslims. And of course Islam is not a race, and Muslims are not all members of a single race.

Rehab was not the only one. Dhimmi Jewish groups joined in as well. Leftist Christians and Jews put up counter ads. And most notoriously, CNN “journalist” Mona Eltahawy attacked the ad and my associate Pamela Hall with a can of spray-paint in the New York subway. She has since then stoutly defended her action on the grounds that my ad was “racist.” After her little act of fascism she had the gall to claim that she was merely exercising her freedom of speech.

However, recently the hypocrisy and double standards of the leftists and mainstream media has become clear. It turns out that using the word “savage” is not always racist and offensive.

FP: Really? When is the word “savage” not racist and offensive?

PG: Last Wednesday both the New York Post and the New York Daily News ran cover photos of “Palestinian” Muslims dragging the corpses of accused Israeli collaborators behind their motorcycles. Both used the caption “Savages.” And that wasn’t all. In Tunisian citizen Souhir Stephenson’s “Tunisia, a Sad Year Later,” published a week earlier in the New York Times, she wrote: “Tourism is dwindling. Who wants to vacation among bands of bearded savages raiding embassies, staking their black pirate flag over universities or burning trucks carrying beer?”

“Bearded savages.” This appeared in the Times just six weeks after the paper ran a piece calling my American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI) subway ads “potentially inflammatory” and quoting Muneer Awad of the Hamas-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) calling me “a bigot and a racist” for the ad.

FP: What is the difference between the New York Times’s use of the word savage and your use of it?

PG: Or Hillary Clinton’s, for that matter? In a statement on September 12, she used the same word to characterize those who had attacked our consulate in Benghazi and murdered Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other American officials: “This was an attack by a small and savage group — not the people or Government of Libya.”

FP: Why is Clinton’s use of the word savage inoffensive but your use of the word is “racist”?

PG: It’s clearly hypocritical, Jamie. In all of these instances, we are all describing the same barbarians: Islamic jihadists who glory in violence and murder. So why is my ad unacceptable, but no one is angry with the New York Post, the Daily News, Souhir Stephenson or the Secretary of State?

My use of the word “savage” has been widely decried as “racist” and “dehumanizing.” Critics have invoked the use of the term to describe Native Americans and others in attempts to prove that any use of it is clear evidence of racist and even genocidal inclinations. But is any and every use of the word “savage” really some kind of thinly veiled call for genocide? Nonsense. Franklin Delano Roosevelt called the Nazis “savages.” And they were. Would Muneer Awad call him “a bigot and a racist” as well?

FP: Do the critics of your ad have anything at all to say about the very real savagery that is committed in the name of the jihad against Israel?

PG: No, Jamie. And that in itself raises questions about their real agenda. The AFDI ad refers not to all Muslims, as has often been claimed, but to those jihadis who rejoice in the murders of innocent civilians. The war on Israel is a war on innocent civilians. The targeting of civilians is savage. The murder of Ambassador Stevens was savage. The relentless 60-year campaign of terror against the Jewish people is savage. The torture of hostage Gilad Shalit was savage. The bloody hacking to death of the Fogel family was savage. The Munich Olympic massacre was savage. The unspeakable torture of Ehud Goldwasser was savage. The tens of thousands of rockets fired from Gaza into southern Israel (into schools, homes, etc.) are savage. The vicious Jew-hatred behind this genocide is savage. The endless demonization of the Jewish people in the Palestinian and Arab media is savage. The refusal to recognize the state of Israel as a Jewish state is savage. The list is endless.

FP: This kind of savagery goes on in the name of jihad on a daily basis around the world — and your ads are the problem?

PG: The recent uses of the word savage demonstrate the hypocrisy of the ad’s critics, and their moral myopia in identifying the resistance to savagery as worse than the savagery itself.

It is time for all genuine supporters of human rights to stand against the savagery that Hillary Clinton identified in Libya and that Souhir Stephenson rightly excoriates in Tunisia, and that is regularly celebrated as heroism in Gaza. But do the guardians of acceptable opinion have the courage to be consistent?

FP: Pamela Geller, thank you again for joining FP interview. And thank you for your courageous and noble fight on behalf of freedom and liberty.

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  • dr.music

    All the problems of rabid-islam are actually Noble Israel's fault loud and clear. For 1400 years the noble jews have let rabid-islam fester on this planet like rabies in a dog .
    The noble jews should have dealt with islam with an iron hand then and there when that main instigator of rabid-islam was alive. Now see what has happened…rabid-islam is destroying the full world. It is all the fault of the noble jews for not being full of foresight and dealing with rabid-islam then and there when the number of savages or vermin in human clothing a.k.a muslims was not significant.
    Now the noble jews are the first to be doomed . The noble jew will be the first mass extinction by savagery that television will help us witness. The numbers of rabid and ready savages are just too many to deal with.
    It is now too too too late for the noble jews and we are all politely next in line. Rabid-islam will now infect and swallow the world country by polite country and polite culture after polite culture . With our good manners and co-existant thoughts we have gently and politely placed our necks on the guillotine of rabid-islam.
    We are ready to die rather than fight and hurt feelings of savages and vermin. Why shoot dead -as prescribed- the rabid dog in this age of political correctness and rampant idiocy passing around as lucid thoughts.
    Telescopes and microscopes we had but we denied ourselves our lives because we refused to put on our reading glasses and read and understand just one rabid book called the Koran. Even our supreme courts did not read and question it because the feelings of savages and vermin might be hurt ? So sad….so what ?
    The poisonous and rabid bite of islam has today in just a mere 1400 years got the planet gasping and frothing for life. We are all finished and the noble jews are to be blamed once again for letting islam fester and putrify on this lovely planet. It's has to be the fault of the noble jews …they should have seen islam coming 1400 years back. Finished…the savage numbers are against the Jews. Rabid-islam is making monkeys out of humans…this is scientifically classified as Reverse-Darwinism. This is the our planet's last thought as islam renames Planet Earth as the true Planet of the Apes. WOW !!!
    Sometimes don’t you think the savages are angry at their own misfortunate births in the wrong wombs. Once misfortunately born to a muslim mother there is no escape from the misfortune of forced savagery and compulsive idiotic thoughts and this dim realisation in the dimmer recesses of their self–made dark minds fills them with the rage that is pent up in them since the birth of this savage cult.
    The self-realisation of being vermin and being recognised in society as vermin… Deadly!! Can you imagine a savage’s plight and anger at all of us that can see him or her as he or she sees himself or herself today…PURE VERMIN. As long as there is even one non-muslim on the planet muslims know they will be viewed only as vermin….which they know they are…so we just have to be all wiped–out.
    We have to be wiped-out for islam’s dirty sake. So what ???
    WE HAVE TO SUBMIT TO SAVAGERY FOR SAVAGERY'S
    SAKE OR ELSE SAVAGERY'S FEELINGS MIGHT BE HURT.
    The leftist politically correct exclamation these days is not “God Forbid”!…. but rather “SAVAGERY FORBID” !!
    Noble Israel First Then All of Us !

    • Miki_B

      dr.music

      Unfortunately I found a few details not so accurate in your nice article.

      1400 years ago the Jews have fought against Mohammed, eventually the lost the battle the war and their life too.

      So please correct the wrong information.

      as an israeli end Jew i live in Israel, please be sure, nobody can lay he is hands on israel without losing his head, Israel are the only nation in all the world that fight on a daily basis against terror and Muslims, alone solo, against all Europe and 160 other states and countries over the world that support the Muslims.

      Well I'm happy to tell you no, definitely no, you Will not watch on the TV Muslims killing Jews or Israeli not first and not last, but Europe doomed, Poor stupid busters.

      so when you talk about 1400 years ago, I will ask you what you are contribute today solve the Problem, what kind of Noble are you?

      Words come easy, Cost nothing and worth nothing.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "Unfortunately I found a few details not so accurate in your nice article. 1400 years ago the Jews have fought against Mohammed, eventually the lost the battle the war and their life too. So please correct the wrong information."

        One could say subjectively that the Jews made a choice to try to reason with Mohammed, and had they been more astute, they would have nipped it in the bud quickly. There was very likely a time when that was possible strength-wise, but I don't know if any Jewish leaders had the intel to come up with a plan before it was too late. I don't think you can say that he's wrong, but it might not have been realistic. In any case, his sentiments are worth hearing, so no harm done IMO.

        "as an israeli end Jew i live in Israel, please be sure, nobody can lay he is hands on israel without losing his head"

        How can you say that? I guess it depends on what you mean by the statement, "nobody can lay he is hands on israel without losing his head"

        "Israel are the only nation in all the world that fight on a daily basis against terror and Muslims, alone solo, against all Europe and 160 other states and countries over the world that support the Muslims."

        True. I wish fervently that the USA would have been more assertive since before WWII through today. It's not often enough that we do the right thing for Israel.

        "Well I'm happy to tell you no, definitely no, you Will not watch on the TV Muslims killing Jews or Israeli not first and not last, but Europe doomed, Poor stupid busters."

        You might be right there. After all, Israel's biggest problem is in politics and confidence. When things get truly serious, we may see the lion emerge from the proverbial cage. It would have been nice to see that already, but then again, we've got Obama to worry about too.

        "so when you talk about 1400 years ago, I will ask you what you are contribute today solve the Problem, what kind of Noble are you? Words come easy, Cost nothing and worth nothing."

        Well, some words incite and or inspire. It may seem worthless, but I wouldn't have that attitude in these times. Taking time to advocate for Israel online is not trivial if people take the time to teach facts to receptive audiences. It's a bit lame challenging someone to do more on an Internet forum. After all, what more have you done in this virtual spot?

        • dr.music

          thank you …

  • jakespoon

    Did the man (Rehab) say jihad was a central tenet islam,and to say that to defeat jihad was racist because that meant defeat all muslims? Well,so be it. What are we supposed to do,let them waltz right in and take over just to keep from being a racist? Then I'm a racist.Rehab can go to hell,with mohammed and all their caliphs. And soon I hope.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "Then I'm a racist."

      If defending your civilization from savage mortal threats is "racist" under the liberal definition, we'd better all turn to racism of that kind very soon.

  • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ JasonPappas

    Geller is articulate and focused. An excellent writer and speaker. She sets a trap and the leftists fall in–indeed, rush in–and make fools of themselves. This is intellectual guerilla warfare at its best. Brava!

  • bkopicz

    Thanks Geller for all that you have done. Don't be misled by the your detractors, this is not about racism its about SILENCING you.

  • Barry Spinello

    When given the chance there is always a tendency to for Muslims to move toward Jihad. By prevaricating – Obama gives the message to Muslims that Jihad is strong. Jihad can never defeat the US in an all out fight. They have no economic base.
    But with enough encuragment they can overstep there power – nuke Israel and bomb or destroy a few American cities, This is the Alinsky-type opportunity that will increase the strength of the Left-left. With US cities destroyed the military will be behind Obama to destroy Jihad. The people will be behind him. The right will be marginalized as was the left in WW2. Jehadists are dupes of the Left-left – who's aim is always single power – a single party – to smash the existing order.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "Jehadists are dupes of the Left-left – who's aim is always single power – a single party – to smash the existing order."

      Obama's plan is not to rule the USA with a single party, he wants to be the president of the UN, with federal sovereignty over all members (coerced or otherwise). It's that or the Caliphate, and having a Caliph is part of Obama's "UN runs the world" plan too. Either way, his vision is bad for Western civilization.

  • tagalog

    Referring to the run of Muslims who call for holy war against the infidel, those who issue fatwas against those who say things that some Muslims don't like, and (referring to another commentary on this very website today) who advocate cutting out the tongues of those who say things they don't want to hear, I'd say that those kind of folks are pretty much savages, and deserve whatever savages get.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "Referring to the run of Muslims who call for holy war against the infidel, those who issue fatwas against those who say things that some Muslims don't like, and (referring to another commentary on this very website today) who advocate cutting out the tongues of those who say things they don't want to hear, I'd say that those kind of folks are pretty much savages, and deserve whatever savages get."

      Sure, but that's because of your Western worldview don't you know. Don't be so rigid to think that there exists some way to discern right from wrong. How racist of you. All cultures have human dignity. Therefore we can't judge anyone. The only people who can be judged are those dubbed as "not available for victim status" according to Caliph Obama; Whites, Christians, Jews or conservatives. If you belong to any of those classes, you are screwed. The rest of us get to stand in line for our handouts as soon as they leach them from wherever they find them. Actually, we get checks in the mail, so we don't have much actual waiting to do.

      At least savages can often be taught morality. What can you say about savages who think they're smarter than you are?

  • Pam Green

    That the word 'savages' is now in common use by the press, as well as by Clinton and others – AND that it's being used specifically to characterize radical Islamists – is largely due to Pamela Geller's campaign. The revival and popularization of the term is a direct response to her. And it's a good thing! It confirms that our self-appointed arbiters of taste now believe that she was justified in using it! But what these news outlets and pundits really need to do is acknowledge this in print and on TV. They need to publicly apologize to Geller for slandering her as a racist and bigot. They need to state, in no uncertain terms, that not only is Geller not a racist or bigot but she in fact has proved prophetic, ever since her campaign to prevent the building of a mosque at Ground Zero.

    If anyone still thinks that mosque was an innocent suggestion by moderate Muslims who love America, let me direct them to http://www.libertiesalliance.org/ and the fight to prevent more mosque-building in Europe [see http://lawandfreedomfoundation.org/ and the video by Gavin Boby [http://www.libertiesalliance.org/2012/07/17/gavin-bobys-speech-at-international-conference-for-free-speech-and-human-rights-9-july-2012/].

    Pamela Geller deserves our admiration, gratitude and support. Luckily, more Americans are gradually coming out of our collective stupor. Hopefully, it will not be too late.

  • Western Canadian

    How long before Schmuckmotion turns up and proves (again) that the truth is an alien concept to him, in the same way thet thinking, logic, facts and common decency are??

  • Western Canadian

    Actually, I would suggest that to refer to jihad as savagery, is an insult to the average, run of the mill savage. With its paper-thin veneer of ‘religion’, the added hypocrisy renders islamic jihad as being significantly beneath the reach of common savages.

  • Mary Sue

    I wonder how many Islamists have infiltrated the Southern Poverty Law Center.

    • BayouCoyote

      I believe they're 8 full blown (no pun intended) CAIR members there now. There was an article written about it recently.

  • riverboatbill

    Savage is as savage does.

  • Ghostwriter

    Well the Islamists and in particular,the Palestinians have done much to earn the label "savages." That label is extremely fitting.

  • Human

    the word jihad comes from the word jahada which means to struggle or strive. as we are all struggling or striving in our daily lives with something, maybe to do with marriage or career or school ect we are all doing jihad (does that mean we are all savages?)… what is a shame is that people fighting against Islam and Muslims translate the word jihad falsely on purpose into holly war and have mislead the people into having false understanding/translation of the meaning and concept of jihad. but of course dont expect to find this critical info in any bias ad trying to ridicule islam/muslims. Pam not done her home work about jihad or like to spread falshood in disguise of the truth. typical of pro Jewish propaganda, having said that i do agree that some people who call themselves Muslim do savage things, irrespective of what we or others label ourselves we are all guilty of some savagery. let me mention some by the Jewish state soldiers and people. illegal occupation of land owned by Palestinians, siege of Gaza no aid can get in and people die because of this (you all remember the Turkish flotilla that was carrying humanitarian aid to Gaza got intercepted in INTER National water by Jewish commandos and 9 people died as a result, erection of wall, who is more savage some who erects a wall or some one who has open borders? the last time i cheked it was the 21st century and a wall like that was demolished in Berlin 1989. who is more savage children hurling stones at Jewish troops or Jewish troops firing at children with guns.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "the word jihad comes from the word jahada which means to struggle or strive. as we are all struggling or striving in our daily lives with something, maybe to do with marriage or career or school ect we are all doing jihad (does that mean we are all savages?)… what is a shame is that people fighting against Islam and Muslims translate the word jihad falsely on purpose into holly war and have mislead the people into having false understanding/translation of the meaning and concept of jihad. but of course dont expect to find this critical info in any bias ad trying to ridicule islam/muslims."

      Excuse me, but the most common use of "Jihad" is either to describe fighting for allah, or lying about fighting for allah.

      "Pam not done her home work about jihad or like to spread falshood in disguise of the truth."

      Actually you could not be more wrong, and it could not be easier to prove.

      "typical of pro Jewish propaganda"

      Conveying facts? Pro-Jewish to you is not wanting to die and then publishing the facts about the threats? OK.

      "having said that i do agree that some people who call themselves Muslim do savage things"

      Oh I see, you decide what Islam is? Never mind the facts of history, you've got a direct line to allah, a god that shall we say, does not exist at all?

      "irrespective of what we or others label ourselves we are all guilty of some savagery"

      Of course we have to use the fallacy of moral equivalence to defend jihad. How else can you even try to rationalize it?

      "let me mention some by the Jewish state soldiers and people"

      The Jewish state is a real state, with real democracy, rule of law and a functioning judicial system that ensures equal rights for all citizens. I just killed your moral equivalence argument again unless you can show me how Hamas or even the PA can be compared. I know. it's Israel's fault the Palestinians don't know how to govern, don't want to govern, just want to wage jihad, er, war.

      "illegal occupation of land owned by Palestinians"

      Oh boy. How is it illegal? Israel is the only sovereign of that territory. There are no other sovereign claims except by liars. Do you know what bad faith or "clean hands doctrine" mean? They don't even try to act civilized. They use leftist rhetoric when talking to the press. That's the extent of their efforts to become civilized. By the way, please give me a specific list of properties or events where land was "stolen" from Palestinians. Many citizens and non-citizens have successfully used the Israeli courts to solve disputes. What the he11 is the Palestinian excuse for not exercising those rights already given to them?

      "siege of Gaza no aid can get in and people die because of this"

      1) They started and perpetuated the war
      2) They have more to eat than most other citizens of the world who work for a living
      3) People die in Gaza because of Palestinians. It's unfathomable to any reasonable person why such babies would continue to humiliate their own selves and culture by acting like victims when they themselves created all of their own misery.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "siege of Gaza no aid can get in and people die because of this (you all remember the Turkish flotilla that was carrying humanitarian aid to Gaza got intercepted in INTER National water by Jewish commandos and 9 people died as a result"

      More proof of Palestinian leftist cooperation in savagery.

      "erection of wall, who is more savage some who erects a wall or some one who has open borders?"

      The terrorist savages are the justification for the wall. Obviously the terrorists are the savages.

      "the last time i cheked it was the 21st century and a wall like that was demolished in Berlin 1989."

      You argue like a child. OMG, a wall. Oh poor, poor you. What shall we do? The Berlin wall held people captive through no fault of their own. The Israeli wall is a national border protecting citizens from terrorists who fight an unrelenting religious war against the state. Let's review what the walls have in common. Uh, people try to pass and often fail. What else? Um, not much.

      "who is more savage children hurling stones at Jewish troops or Jewish troops firing at children with guns."

      If the Jewish troops are firing guns at armed militant children, then the parents of the children are the savages. Is that too complicated for you to understand? The children sadly will grow in to adult savages in many cases.

      Not very good questions, but I hope my answers helped you to think a bit more clearly.

    • jakespoon

      Why doesn't your Egyptian brothers open their border to Gaza. More than one way to enter that toilet. Instead your "brothers" kept it closed to make the people suffer but not one word about that,eh. Stop firing rockets and the bombs will stop landing in your humus.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        They think we're all morons because we let liberals speak for us in political leadership. Sheesh.

  • human 2

    who is more savage a palestinian rocket that kills 3 isreali people or an isreali land and air assault that kills 30 people. i didnt want to start with labels and naming and shaming but if pam geller started it then some one got to finish it.

    dark skined and bearded people get selected "Randomly" for search in american airports can you imagine if in saudi arabian airportts they "randomly" select fair skined and clean shaven people? that could be you facing that kind of discrimination, see how you like it.

    europeans and westeners have a history of alienation, discrimination, violence, war,imperial occupation, racism, sexism, oppression, genocide and i have yet to see a muslim army or country and the so called holy war or jihad that people keep going on about.

    • dr.music

      The essence of war is violence, and moderation in war is stupidity.
      “HATE is pious for Muslims” The problem is Saudi Arabia.
      Saudi Arabia is just not “holy” or “holey” enough for all muslims. Iran is
      livid that Saudi Arabia is not holey enough because it allows the non-muslims
      to protect Saudi Arabia from Iran. The temerity of the Saudis is now bothering the fruitcakes in Egypt and other muslim countries too .

      It seems according to the top pure evil muslims Saudi Arabia is just not bad enough as the worst place on Earth for women and
      children that are born human but are trapped in islam at birth and hence turned
      into de-facto muslims with no way out.

      Islam manufactures nothing except evil and
      twisted humans that look like us but are so different from us that they can
      only be called muslims . A muslim cannot be called human. No way Ohzeh!!

      Muslims are not taught to be human . They
      are taught to be muslims. So all that muslims are taught about us the true
      humans is that we are not like them and that we are disposable and dispensable.

      This is what we real Humans are choosing not
      to see that an entire non-essential and supremely lethal sub-species that is so
      dangerous to us and our planet is raising it’s monster head to devour us.

      We will lose our civilization to islam as
      islam devours our children and women . We are finished. We know they were and
      are and will always be very dangerous vermin but our problem is they think the
      same of us and they are not allowed to think differently.

      We are not halal. We are haram. What will
      happen to us as islam takes over. The israelis will be the first to get extinct
      by islam then the Swedes then the French and their burnable Mona Lisa then the
      Germans then the Ozzys then the planet. Who will islam lie to when all is islam
      ? What will islam invent when all the scientists are dead….Poor moremad had
      no vision thru his hate.

      Our science had a good run…soon our science
      will be trashed with all its burnable research. We are finished …..Since 1400
      years this mental-small-pox has been spreading across to us on the planet
      ….we are done. Sorry kids….We had no guts to call feces feces. Within a 100
      more years islam will have eaten democracy for breakfast. Muslims will even
      burn and bomb our zoos. Islam will literally burn our planet.

      I think that’s when apes will once again
      come out thru muslims. So much for Darwin….moremad actually reverse-engineered
      evolution. WOW !!

      Turkey wants NATO weapons on its borders so
      that they can hijack them and blast Israel. This will happen. WE ARE FOOLS.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "The essence of war is violence, and moderation in war is stupidity."

        Right. Moderation in war just extends the violence. What we want is a monopoly on violence owned by a just sovereign.

        "“HATE is pious for Muslims” The problem is Saudi Arabia.
        Saudi Arabia is just not “holy” or “holey” enough for all muslims. Iran is
        livid that Saudi Arabia is not holey enough because it allows the non-muslims
        to protect Saudi Arabia from Iran. The temerity of the Saudis is now bothering the fruitcakes in Egypt and other muslim countries too."

        And it's not unlikely you'll get treated a lot worse than anyone here seems to understand. They keep slaves, kill apostates, arrest any sign of belief in a religion other than Islam, I could go on for the rest of my life.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "who is more savage a palestinian rocket that kills 3 isreali people or an isreali land and air assault that kills 30 people."

      History shows that the Palestinian rocket is at fault for all deaths, both initial and in response.

      A policeman responds to a bank robbery perpetrated by a gang of 6. The gang kills 2, but the police kill 4 of the gang during the arrest. The gang argues at trial that they are innocent because the police response was out of proportion to the actual "trigger event."

      You are on the jury, what is your call?

    • objectivefactsmatter

      " i didnt want to start with labels and naming and shaming but if pam geller started it then some one got to finish it."

      I love what you wrote because I love destroying fallacies. Better that you confess your mind than going around thinking these absurd thoughts without anyone to reason with you.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "dark skined and bearded people get selected "Randomly" for search in american airports can you

      That's actually false. The fact is that everyone must be searched constantly and aggressively because CAIR and their ilk will broadcast this lie of yours at every opportunity. We have to minimize these disturbances from those crooks and frauds.

      "imagine if in saudi arabian airportts they "randomly" select fair skined and clean shaven people?"

      You clearly know very little about Saudi Arabia, or perhaps you're just another liar.

      "that could be you facing that kind of discrimination, see how you like it."

      Do you know what the word "discriminate" means? I face discrimination all the time, and I have no problem with discernment and passing judgment. I expect and hope for justice. Can you show how Israel or the USA is unjust without using a book based on lies, or the lies that it inspires? I know the answer already.

      And here it is: no you can't.

      "europeans and westeners have a history of alienation, discrimination, violence, war,imperial occupation, racism, sexism, oppression, genocide and i have yet to see a muslim army or country and the so called holy war or jihad that people keep going on about."

      Western culture is the most open intellectually of any in history, with facts about the west available instantly around the globe. You're using a gift from us, you ingrate. Now, if we are open about our imperfections and we strive to perfect our civilization, what does that say about you when you compare our imperfections against the wholesale lies about your culture?

      That makes you a savage, literally.

    • Georgina

      I have been studying some maps and demographics.

      No matter how much land Israel concedes to the muslims, at some point in the near future, there will be too many of them crammed into a too small a space.
      There is however, more than enough room outside of Gaza and the West Bank, previously labeled Jordania, Egypt, Arabia, Persia etc., but all now known as part of the Nation of the Islamic Umma.

      Now, were they to all move there, they would be a drop in the ocean: less than 0.1% of the population.
      They could work for a living, rather than being dependent parasites on the UN. They could grow their own food, toil in the soil, stand tall and proud, be self-reliant.

      For the sake of those who call themselves Palestinians: Help them go home – to the vast expanse of the islamic world.

      We should also help all those poor souls, stuck in a capitalistic land, yearning for the shari'ah – unable to find jobs (too many employed women), help send them forward, not to the lands of their birth (EU), where they are so unhappy, but to the new lands – promising shari'ah freedom from female bosses and away from having to be polite to the kufir.
      Then they can live without man-made rules, content and in peace.

  • dr.music

    These are someone else’s words…true and very much worth reading….Child sexual and physical abuse is rampant AND THE DONE THING in Muslim culture. Sexual abuse of boys is not only due to strong gender apartheid rules, especially in adolescence and adulthood but sexual abuse of young boys is a typical way of an older male showing dominance over a younger one. Such behavior breeds intense rage which is projected onto other groups such as non-believers and such acts of rage are given sanction by the imams. In fact rage in Muslims is cultivated early on in a child's mis-education. The result is a society which cannot produce anything, is totally non-creative, and is entirely dependent on others for its existence. Their only purpose is as human weapons against others for gain by a small group of very cruel leaders.

  • WorldWatchman

    This LADY tells it like it is. She's beautiful, intelligent and not afraid to tell the truth. I love you Pamela. You make us very proud.

  • dcat

    Love ya Pamela keep up the work! I would love to call more names but gee somehow I offended a leftard moron and so No I will not shut up either! They are savages! I mean if the shoe fits!