Romney Restored

Jacob Laksin is a senior writer for Front Page Magazine. He is co-author, with David Horowitz, of The New Leviathan (Crown Forum, 2012), and One-Party Classroom (Crown Forum, 2009). Email him at jlaksin@gmail.com and follow him on Twitter at @jlaksin.


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After several disappointing showings in the Midwest, including marginal victories in Ohio and in his legacy state of Michigan, Mitt Romney faced what pre-primary hype billed as a “must-win” contest in Illinois.  Whether the stakes truly were that dire is debatable, but with 54 delegates and symbolic momentum at stake, last night’s primary was indeed pivotal. In the end, Romney scored a comfortable victory, one that could yet go a long way toward establishing the aura of inevitability that has eluded his campaign to date.

It was a victory sealed in the state’s suburbs. Key to Romney’s success in Illinois was the strong support he drew in the state’s more urban areas, particularly the five mostly suburban counties around Chicago. That proved significant, as exit polls showed that over 70 percent of Illinois’ primary voters hailed from the suburbs. Romney won these voters by a resounding 20 percent, according to exit polls.

Electability proved Romney’s other major asset. Among Republicans who saw beating Barack Obama as their top priority, three quarters supported Romney. The perception that Romney is best positioned to take on Obama also explains why he was able to win among all stripes of Republicans except those who identified as “very conservative.” While it’s too early to call this inevitability, it does point to a growing consensus among Republicans that, for all his flaws, Romney is the man for the job.

While Romney resonated in the state’s suburban enclaves, the state’s demographics did not favor Rick Santorum. Illinois’ Republican electorate has fewer evangelical voters than the Southern primaries where Santorum has recently enjoyed success.  The state’s primary goers also placed less emphasis on religious kinship with their candidate, something that had benefited Santorum in races in the Deep South.

Even if Illinois was not natural territory for Santorum, however, he did not help his own cause. There is a growing consensus that Santorum hurt his chances of making headway against Romney by getting bogged down in debates about contraception that many Republicans consider a distraction at best. “Santorum has allowed himself to get off message on issues such as banning pornography, abortion and other social issues that Illinois Republicans don’t see as major priorities,” Republican strategist Ron Bonjean told Front Page.

Santorum may have sealed his fate with a few self-inflicted wounds. Even before a single vote was cast last night, Santorum had rendered himself ineligible to compete in four of the state’s congressional districts after failing to qualify for 10 of the delegates up for grabs. Yet another miscalculation was Santorum’s ill-chosen comment earlier this week that “I don’t care what the unemployment rate’s going to be.”

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  • tarleton

    Romney will NEVER be President ; he’s too much like AlGore with his wooden, dorkish , superficial personality that people intuitively dislike

    We are now living in the era of the ” american idol president ” when politics is a form of entertainment ; the stuffy , solid , boring qualities of Romney have no chance against the celebrity appeal of Barrak , Hussein Obama ; he has good teeth , a seductive speaking style and knows just how to push the buttons of the vacuous younger generation …the very same dolts who vote for ”american idol” voted for Obama …I wonder if they knew the difference ?

    Let’s face it , the ”culture war ” of the last 40 years between the values of liberal/Leftist hollywood and the conservative values of Jadai/christianity is OVER …Hollywood has won ! a whole generation of young folks have been SEDUCED by the constant drip , drip , drip of the liberal subliminal ”soft ”propaganda from decadent Hollywood ,and the election of a preening , pretentious poseur like Obama is just the confirmation

    I was hoping that the election of a huckster like Obama was an aberration of ”white guilt ”and that the american voters would sober up and come to their senses , but unfortunately it is not to be …Obama is the ZEIT GEIST , or sign of the times and we can expect 4 more years of his maudlin , syrupy , entertainment that passes for leadership

    It was Lenin who said that cinema was the greatest propaganda device ever created , but Orwell never recognised the power of ”soft propaganda ” in the entertainment industry that has seduced and crafted the worldview of a whole generation of shallow , superficial minds

  • tarleton

    The election of Obama in 2008 was a Hollywood Coup D'etat …Obama's a kind of secular version of the TV avangelists ..an epic fraud and a political Milli Vanilli …..but he's here to stay …in a democracy you really do get the goverment you deserve

    • Looking4Sanity

      We're not a democracy. America is a Constitutional Republic. HUGE difference.

      You are correct in that we get the government we deserve though. Now…look at what we have and think about what that says about us as a society. Can the end be far off? I think not.

  • BLJ

    If Romney runs a campaign like McCain did in 2008 he will lose. The key is making Obama defend his record in the White House. Keep the message focused on this and Romney has a chance.

  • DogsHateRomney

    Mitt Romney is slimier than raw okra.

    • Banastre tarleton

      that's right , more oily than a snake …that creep will never be President

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        That was true with Obama, and look where he's at now.

        • Banastre tarleton

          true …i never thought that Obama could ever be president , but i was wrong

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            (who thumbed you down for that?)

          • DogsHateRomney

            Roger, The LDS church is making a concerted effort to dominate BLOGS, the Internet, & all good faith search(s).

            THOSE posters whom are seeking their secular worldly votes, will be dissapointed.

            Ann and Mitt Romney's Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints, the LDS Church,

            Like Lipstick on a Pig…….. LDS Is not Christian.

            LDS uses Christian words and Christian ideas, but completely alters the accepted meaning.

            Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Internet

            …….here is why you and I are dinged amigo, http://carm.org/lds-church-jesus-christ-latter-da

            What Does Ann & Mitt's Mormonism Teach? http://carm.org/teachings-of-mormonism

            Don't be misled.

            When the Mormon missionaries come to your door and tell you that they are the restored church, don't believe them.

            All the non-Christian cults say that the truth was lost and that their prophet is the new "truth".

            FLIP-FLOP!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I thank you for your input, and have known other LDS members to strongly support Romney.

            But I want to make a point here. I am against Romney because of his positions as his actions in the past show them to be. I am against Romney due to his tactics and the things his people say (etcha-sketch anyone?).

            I have met many Mormons that were nice, sincere, hard working and peaceful people. They didn't want to car bomb me or our cities. They never considered hijacking planes for suicide bombs. We agree to disagree and move on with our lives.

            I don't consider them the enemy. God isn't done with them any more than He's done with me. So I can't support a blank attack on their religion. I do disagree with it, but that's a different thing entirely.

          • DogsHateRomney

            Paul's prayer for the Ephesian believers is very specific.

            He asks God to bestow upon them a deeper knowledge and understanding of Christ.

            The LDS doctrine is no less a Biblical lie than Marxism is to constitutionalism.
            Satan really thinks he could be the final victor in a battle for the hearts and minds of mankind.

            And why not?

            Are we so careless in our Biblical view of Christ's Complete sacrifice, that we would ignore an aggressive cult, who claims an open and defiant door-to-door rebellion to REPLACE the ONE Biblical Creator and Ruler of the universe?

            Pilate could not have known what he was saying.

            Do you consider Marxism your "enemy"?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why don't you go back and read my comment again?

          • DogsHateRomney

            Thank you.
            ~ "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables" (2 Timothy 4:3-4).

            Roger: If you openly and Aggressively attack "Marxism", and things such as "halal" foods, – while, in the next breath you address we (few) sound Christians, – who articulately address the destructive trends in the body of Christ as being judgemental;

            ~ You judge unrighteously or hypocritically.

            Too many Christians base their convictions on feelings, and experiences instead of biblic teaching..

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I agree. And I base my convictions on Biblical texts after much prayer and study.

            Matt 12:30 backs that up. I can understand how you have that conclusion.

            I weight that against Mark 9:38-41. That and James 3:1.

            There are enough reasons to support anyone but Romney without dragging religion into it. Since we have a secular government (once Obama is gone) why is his religion an issue?

  • BLJ

    Anything, and I mean anything, is better than the Chosen One. If he gets a second term we are in serious doo doo.

  • AntiSharia

    To all the anti Romney baboons out there, it's Romney or socialism. Santorum has no appeal beyond the core right wing of the GOP and that will not be enough to get elected in a general election. If all you needed were the votes of evangelicals then Mike Huckabee would be President of the United States. If evangelicals are so petty, spiteful, and stupid as to allow Obama a second term then they will deserve everything Obama will inflict on them for the next four years. So let's put it in terms that everyone can understand: if Obama wins in November it's over. There's no point planning for 2016, there won't be any way to put Humpty Dumpty back together again if Obama wins again.

    • Stephen_Brady

      What makes you think that evangelicals will NOT vote for Romney?

      It's very true that Romney has NO appeal beyond the core establishment liberal/moderate wing of the GOP. This is why conservatives have been desperately trying to find someone who would derail the Romney big money steamroller. But we will turn out in enormous numbers to deny Obama his second four years, and then we will hold Romney's feet to the fire.

      To put it bluntly, Romney is not one of us … not now, or ever. Neither was his father, whom many of us remember.

      I will say this to you, though. This is absolutely the last time I will EVER vote for a RINO, and my family goes back to the organizing convention of the Republican Party. There is no other party that is acceptable. Therefore, one will have to be organized that will define conservativsm, and send McCain, Romney, and all the RINOs packing. Perhaps, we can call it the National Conservative Party of America (the NCPA).

      That's a decent start …

      BTW, it might be a good idea for you NOT to be on the attack against evangelicals. Romney doesn't win without them …

      • ObamaYoMoma

        It's very true that Romney has NO appeal beyond the core establishment liberal/moderate wing of the GOP.

        The core liberal wing of the GOP consist of you and your fellow Internet stalkers, which is why Romney isn't appealing to you.

        This is why conservatives have been desperately trying to find someone who would derail the Romney big money steamroller.

        That is why social conservatives and especially religious bigots have been desperately trying to find someone who would derail the Romney big money steamroller. (Big money steamroller, said like the true liberal you are.)

        To put it bluntly, Romney is not one of us

        God I hope that is correct, because if it isn't, then I'll be in for a rude awakening.

        Neither was his father, whom many of us remember.

        Damn…you must be older than the hills.

        This is absolutely the last time I will EVER vote for a RINO

        What you mean, you only vote for RINOs.

        my family goes back to the organizing convention of the Republican Party.

        I hate to keep raining on your liberal parade, but Republicans aren't conservatives. Indeed, today Republicans and Dhimmicrats are virtually indistinguishable and are just two sides of the same leftwing coin.

        Therefore, one will have to be organized that will define conservativsm

        With all due disrespect, you wouldn't recognize conservatism if it jumped on your lap and humped you.

        In any event, don't get me wrong, I'm not stating that Romney is a conservative by any stretch of the imagination, as when it comes to foreign policy and protecting and defending the country from the scourge of Islam, he is just as incompetent as virtually every other Republican. However, out of the three viable candidates, kooks don't count, he is by far the most conservative of the three.

        Thus, I will hold my nose and vote for Romney this time around. Had either Santorum or Gingrich won the nomination instead though, I would have stayed home and not voted exactly like I stayed home in 2008 and didn't vote.

        • Stephen_Brady

          "The core liberal wing of the GOP consist of you and your fellow Internet stalkers …"

          Once again, I didn't say anything to you. I haven't said anything to you in a week, or two. Who's stalking who, Obama?

          Since you support the man who campaigned for Obamacare, isn't it obvious that YOU are the liberal? you're the supporter of the RINO, here. Don't you get it?

          Concerning my age, I am 62, so "older than the hills doesn't apply", but old enough to remember Romney's father does.

          isn't it obvious that I don't want to talk to you? Why are you stalking me, Obama?

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Since you support the man who campaigned for Obamacare, isn't it obvious that YOU are the liberal?

            Link???

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You'll just call it propaganda, even if it names a person who worked on both.

          • Stephen_Brady

            Perhaps, it might do well to see what Romney intends to do about Obamacare. He certainly doesn't intend to do away with it. http://cnsnews.com/news/article/romney-plan-repla

            When elected, Obamacare will be "renamed" Obamneycare, and will be just as unconsitutional as it is, now.

            On other fronts, you're not interesting to talk to. Leave me alone. Although intelligent, you are undisciplined and your mind is untrained. Anyone who actually reads my posts know that your overreations to everything I say is personal, and has nothing to do with what I say.

            I'm proud to be a member of the Ancient and Puissant Order of PC Multiculturalists and Loons, since that sets me at odds with the likes of you.

            So, go back under the bridge, and enjoy the next four years of Obama …

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Perhaps, it might do well to see what Romney intends to do about Obamacare. He certainly doesn't intend to do away with it. http://cnsnews.com/news/article/romney-plan-repla….

            It's a ridiculous article obviously intended to smear Romney. If you examine Gingrich and Santorum's healthcare solutions on their websites too, guess what they are also very general and lack specifics as well.

            Not to mention that your boy Gingrich also wrote an oped piece back in 2006 that was republished again recently in the Wall Street Journal praising Romney and endorsing his innovative healthcare reform bill that he signed into law in 2006.

            By the way, Romney's healthcare reform bill came directly from the Heritage Foundation, the most conservative think tank in the country, and the lead scholar at the Heritage Foundation also attended the bill signing ceremony, and unlike Gingrich, Romney never supported a federal individual healthcare mandate for almost 20 years.

            Apparently, you guys hate Romney because he is a Mormon, only you can't say it without at the same time revealing that you are bigots. So like loons you guys latch on to whatever propaganda you can. In any event, you better get used to President Romney, because you will be seeing a lot of him for the next 8 years.

          • Stephen_Brady

            "Apparently, you guys hate Romney because he is a Mormon, only you can't say it without at the same time revealing that you are bigots."

            This is the kind of thing that you usually say, which indicates to me that you are a troll, possibly in the pay of a left-wing organization whose purpose is to bring disrepute onto the conservative movement. Your posts are filled with kind of thing. I invite readers to look back at your posting history to discover … on their own … the truth of what I'm saying.

            As to Romney, I could care less that he's a Mormon. I've stated on numerous occasions that I will vote for him, if he wins the nomination. I'm of the opinion that he would make a decent President, though he's not my first choice (my first choice was Michelle Bachman).

            One last thing. It doesn't follow naturally, or logically, that an article which criticizes any aspect of Romney's policy ideas is a "ridiculous article" or has the intention to "smear Romney". Are you implying that he is perfect, flawless, and no one can criticize him? He's the frontrunner, and if he … and you … cannot stand valid criticism, then I profer to you the possibility that you will not be happy, during his Presidency (if there is one).

            Politics is dirty, and criticism … valid or not … is the order of the day.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You nailed it, in my opinion.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      Actually, I consider myself to be a core right-winger but I would never vote for Santorum under any circumstances because while like GWB Santorum is a true social conservative, when it comes to everything else concerning fiscal matters and foreign policy like GWB he is also a stealth leftists.

      Indeed, while Santorum proclaims Romney to be a moderate and at the same time proclaims himself to be the only true conservative in the race, his on senate record betrays his words. As when he was a member of the senate while GWB like a Dhimmicrat on steroids was doubling the size, scope, and power of the federal government in response to 9/11 without regard to how we would pay for it, ostensibly to protect the homeland from violent jihad attacks, but in reality to create the false sense of security necessary to continue accommodating mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage, Santorum was paving the way for GWB in the Senate. Thus, the instant the bottom fell out of the economy in 2008, budget deficits exploded through the roof. Why would I want to elect another big government and big spending liberal like Santorum? After GWB and now Obama, does anyone think I'm a glutton for punishment or something?

      Not to mention that Santorum has been voting down “right to work” laws and pandering to big labor against business, industry, and the private sector for his entire career. No wonder he easily gets sidetracked with birth control, abortion, pornography, and other social issues, he's a social conservative but at the same time he's a fiscal and foreign policy leftists, and apparently these people kissing his ass in this thread are too.

      Indeed, during the GWB administrations for all intents and purposes the Republican Party morphed into the second-coming of the Dhimmicrat Party and today the Republican Party and the Dhimmicrat Party are virtually indistinguishable and are really just two sides of the same leftwing coin, especially when it comes to protecting and defending America from the scourge of Islam.

      As a matter of fact, had GWB and Santorum had a lick of common sense between them, after 9/11 they would have outlawed Islam and banned and reversed mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage instead of doubling the size, scope, and power of the federal government and putting us on the fast track to financial ruin at the same time.

      They also never would have pursued two silly fantasy based nation-building missions in Iraq and Afghanistan premised on false PC multicultural myths and misconceptions about Islam that were about as counterproductive and insane as lifting up Hitler and the Nazis after WWII. No thanks I had enough of GWB, Santorum, and Obama. Thank you very much!

      • Banastre tarleton

        4 more years of Obama is what you're going to get AND DESERVE ….you right wing cranks and conspiracy theorists are political ludites

        • ObamaYoMoma

          4 more years of Obama is what you're going to get AND DESERVE ….you right wing cranks and conspiracy theorists are political ludites

          Why don't you stick to your side of the pond, as you obviously don't have the first clue about our side of the pond, which is why you often put your proverbial foot in your mouth here on a regular basis. Indeed, you always have a tendency to over estimate the impact of secularism in America because like I said, you don't have the first clue about America.

          By the way, Obama won in 2008 because Bush grew government and blew up the deficits and national debt like a Dhimmicrat on steroids, pursued two silly fantasy based nation-building missions in Iraq and Afghanistan premised on false PC multicultural myths and misconceptions about Islam that were about as counterproductive and insane as lifting up Hitler and the Nazis after WWII and that inevitably turned into the two biggest strategic blunders ever in American history, pissed off the conservative base of the Republican Party by trying to cram amnesty for illegal immigrants down their throats, and morphed the Republican Party into the second coming the Dhimmicrat Party leaving it a proverbial train wreck in the process.

          Hence, study the 2006 Congressional elections, it was almost impossible for the Republicans to win in 2008, and when John McCain, a leftwing loon masquerading as a conservative and who was also a long time Washington insider that had carved out a living stabbing conservatives in the back for decades at the most inopportune times and who had also authored the hated amnesty bill for illegal immigrants eventually won the nomination, it became preordained at that time that Obama would win no matter what. Of course, the lamestream media played a huge part in McCain eventually winning the nomination. This time around though, so far the lamestream media has been far less successful.

          Anyway, Obama isn't winning reelection, as Romney will literally pick him apart in the debates, just like he dismantled and destroyed Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich, and Rick Santorum in the debates as well.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Will Romney pick him apart in the debates? On Romneycare and obamacare they had the same advisors.

            I don't accept that premise.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Will Romney pick him apart in the debates? On Romneycare and obamacare they had the same advisors.

            Oh really, so Obama had the Heritage Foundation, the most conservative think tank in the country, advising him? Because that's where Romney's healthcare reform bill came from, direct from the Heritage Foundation. Indeed, the Heritage Foundation's lead scholar for healthcare reform even attended the signing ceremony when Romney signed the bill into law. In any event, Romney will destroy Obama on healthcare in the debates.

            You know the more you post about Romney and Obamacare, the bigger the fool you make out of yourself. In any event, Romney is going to inevitably win the nomination, whether you like it or not. He is also going to be the next president too, whether you like it or not.

            Not to mention that Santorum's record in the senate betrays his words, as he spent money and grew government like a Dhimmicrat on steroids and also voted against “right to work” laws and pandered to big labor during his entire senate career. He may be a social conservative, but when it comes to everything else, like GWB he is a stealth leftists, which is why he can't stop talking about birth control pills, abortion, pornography, and other social issues. He was one of those Republicans during the Bush administrations that morphed into the second coming of the Dhimmicrat Party and he is also one of the main reasons why we are on the fast track to financial ruin today.

            I don't accept that premise.

            That's because when it comes to intelligence, you got the short end of the stick.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Am I on the short end of that stick?
            http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/283403/mit-p

            No, don't bother apologizing.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Am I on the short end of that stick? http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/283403/mit-p….

            No, don't bother apologizing.

            You know when some of the loons on this site post links to Palestinian propaganda, you think I'm stupid enough to go read it? I'm not, and I'm also not stupid enough to waste my time reading your garbage either. Nevertheless, you better start getting used to the idea of President Romney, because he will be the next president of the USA for the next 8 years.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So the fact it names a person who worked on both and explains why they're the same doesn't matter?

            Can I try that tactic?

            I declare you liberal propagandists, 'be gone'!

            And you better get used to the idea that the republican establishment has lost control of the party base, they simply don't understand it or care to bother.

          • Banastre tarleton

            you are a sadley deluded FOOL …an oily dork like Romney , without the slightest bit of charisma or celebrity appeal, has NO CHANCE against a Hollywoood poseur like Obama

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            That's why they are desperate to put him out there as the in disputed nominee.

            Santorum is a threat to them, so they're struggling to destroy him, and Rick just isn't playing along, and the conservative base isn't playing along either.

            It must be frustrating for them, not having a msm that people pay attention to.

        • Stephen_Brady

          Luddites?

          it's the political Left that seems to be opposed to modern technology, not the Right. Where on earth did you get such a notion?

    • Banastre tarleton

      well if Romney is the best that the Repuplican party can produce , then you all deserve a huckster like Obama …shadenfreude

      • ObamaYoMoma

        And before long you delusional Brits will all be subjugated submissive dhimmis….schadenfreude.

    • AlMiller

      The anti-Romney folks prefer Obama.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Nope, not at all. We prefer constitutionalists that understand Romneycare was taking our freedoms away one state at at time, as opposed to Obamacare that took it away one country at a time.

  • digdigby

    Romney is McCain without the war record. He is McDoleney I look at his handsome, perfectly 'matured' face and all I can think is – this guy is perfect for a Viagra commercial.

  • Oleg

    Whoopee! Romney won in blue state, a state that will likely back Obama in November, just like Mass, Vermont, California, and Maryland will. I know this is a blog site but could you back off on the Romney puff pieces? Many of those voting for Romney in blue states are the same ones that put John McCain in as the nominee and Bob Dole before, the Dems in those states line up and change their affiliation to vote for the most moderate dud of a Republican candidate they can find. Since Huntsman and Pawlenty are gone guess who's left, Mr AMC Junior. Seriously, this is the likely the most important election of the past 100 years and this is the best that you can come up with? If this isn't an indictment of how worthless and wasteful the primaries are I don't know what is. Can anyone honestly say that the primaries have produced any better of a crop of statesmen the the conventions did in the past?

  • DogsHateRomney

    RE: "Romney Restored" –
    The LDS church is making a concerted effort to dominate BLOGS, the Internet, & all good faith search(s).

    Ann and Mitt Romney's "RESTORED" Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints, the LDS Church,

    LDS Is not Christian.

    LDS uses Christian words and Christian ideas, but completely alters the accepted meaning.

    Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Internet …….here is why you non-mormons are dinged, http://carm.org/lds-church-jesus-christ-latter-da

    What Does Ann & Mitt's Mormonism Teach? http://carm.org/teachings-of-mormonism

    Don't be misled.

    When the Mormon missionaries come to your door and tell you that they are the restored church, don't believe them.

    All the non-Christian cults say that truth was lost and that their prophet is the new, RESTORED "truth".

    FLIP-FLOP!

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      And I am opposed to Romney due to his liberalism and tactics in the campaign.

      His religion is a personal issue, and doesn't demand he do the things he's doing.
      Unlike Obama and his muslim heritage.

      • DogsHateRomney

        In fact, the New Testament emphatically teaches Christians are to judge truth from error, both individually and corporately (Acts 17:11; 1 John 4:1-2; Ephesians 5:11-13; 1 Corinthians 14:29).

        So why do you ignore one aberrant religion, LDS, and suggest that "Unlike Obama", Romney is better than Obama because he is not "Muslim"?

        Don't you know that they, according to Biblical teaching are moot?

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          And with a secular government it changes to Christ saying "Give unto Ceasar the things that are Ceasar's".

          While I would agree that as a church or for a pastor your tests are vital.

      • DogsHateRomney

        You are a more accredited character on the secular scale.

        Nonetheless you are a very discouraging and destructive force that is a trend in the body of Christ.

        God's instruction in "telling the church" IS to publically name them (2 Timothy 2:17, 4:10; 1 Timothy 1:20).

        You do this with Islam, Marzism and Obama.

        WHY is LDS/cults off limits in your mind set?

        Paul even publically rebuked Peter (Galatians 2:11-14), because the error was serious enough, and Peter was influential enough, that the welfare of the body needed to be protected.

        Sir, the high visibility and influence of persons like Presidential Candidates warrant the need for public exposure.

        The Scripture makes it clear that those who are causing divisions are the ones teaching novel false doctrines.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          Why? Because you say so?

          Government is different that attending or supporting religious observance.

          So, you may want to reexamine your thinking based on the new thoughts and the standard I have pointed towards. If you can show that thought wrong, then I'll reexamine it. But since it's based on texts you'll need some of your own.

          • DogsHateRomney

            Replying to Roger – (quote) "Why? Because you say so?"

            Kindly, read my posts and their links for content. Roger,

            Cite your disagreement.

            Based on my experience:

            While Roger rails against dings; it is he whom ding others.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I did, and I have.

            Next?

          • DogsHateRomney

            No one would care except that only a hypocrite (like yourself) would have whined (on this thread 15 hours ago)

            Roger: "(who thumbed you down for that?) "

            Check the location of your thumb.

            Roger that.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So, you know you've been shown wrong on this and you're just whining now?

          • DogsHateRomney

            Roger,
            I cannot make you read for content and respond in context as asked. Nor can anyone force you to act against your pride to be intellectually honest by citing specifics.

            Only God can bow your internet-centric, stiff neck.

            There is a lot of confusion among your Seventh-day Adventist theology as evidenced in your posts.

            May the Lord of the Bible deal with your pernicious delusions that you are the only "Remnant Church" (much like mormons), – whose doctrine implies that your Seventh Day Adventist Church (SDA), is, or will be God's only true church,

            May the Biblical God open your eyes that they may see and your ears that they may hear and know Him and be sorrowful for your maligning those of Christ.

            I forgive you. May The Lord humble your spirit and point you away from your religious heterodoxy..

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, I agree with you as far as worshiping with someone.

            You still haven't shown from the new testament where we are to use that test on a secular government.

            I've shown you texts were as Christians we have a different focus. You haven't shown any texts backing your position on this.

      • DogsHateRomney

        Replying to Roger: Re (QUOTE) : "His religion is a personal issue, and doesn't demand he do the things he's doing. Unlike Obama and his muslim heritage. "

        QUESTION:
        ~ WHY is Obama's faith suspect? Yet Romney's ETCH-A-SKETCH LDS/Mormonism is off-limits?

        Sir, to sound, biblical Judeo-Christian Voters:

        The President of The United States' Religion, IS and SHOULD BE AN ISSUE!

        Secular relativists, parading as "christians" roam the internet blogs. They often elevate their "minds" above others posters, – while they completely miss the issue. (during a hit-'n-run post)

        Roger: There is a lot of confusion among your Seventh-day Adventist theology as evidenced in some of your obsessive 90,000 posts. (on Intense Debate ALONE !!!) – (you may have a problem)

        Romney's Mormon Church

        ~Officially, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) – considers itself not just a Christian denomination, but rather the only true expression of Christianity.

        In many ways this is Not unlike Roger's distinctive SDA teachings.

        May the Lord of the Bible deal with your pernicious delusions that you are the only "Remnant Church" (much like mormons), – whose doctrine implies that your Seventh Day Adventist Church (SDA), is, or will be God's only true church,

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          No, it's not an issue. The state can't impose the religion of the president to anyone.
          The Bible is clear that we are not to impose our religion on the state.

          It's a wash. Unless our president has a heritage outside the normal Judeo-Chistian background we expect.

          And why would you think I'm a Seventh Day Adventist?

          Can't media matters do better background research on me?
          I do play piano at the local Adventist church frequently, but I also play at another Church group, and I also volunteer at a Catholic Hospital. So, you're still striking out.

          You guys as organized as you are, as much as you dig into my background can't quite figure something out. I don't run from the nuclear option, I stomp on it.

          Go ahead and keep digging. Go ahead and keep talking about things that only a bunch of money would dig out. And it still says more about you than it does about me.

          • DogsHateRomney

            Replying to Roger – RE: "And why would you think I'm a Seventh Day Adventist?"

            Crafty Roger, Why would anyone invent this?

            Deny it.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            My religion suddenly becomes an issue?

            Why? If you can't even show Romney's religion is an issue why is mine?
            You're just a part of very bitter propaganda machine that knows I get into the way when you start smearing and putting out talking points on this forum.

            Unlike Andrew, I don't' have heart issues and don't walk alone in the dark. So, you're in a quandary. You, and your cohorts can't make me go away, can you?

            What is your next set of talking points? Destroy Santorum and have a weak candidate to attack based on religion when Obama's muslim heritage has already been ignored?

            Good luck with that, it's not going to work.

          • DogsHateRomney

            Replying to Roger – RE: "And why would you think I'm a Seventh Day Adventist?"

            Crafty Roger, Why would anyone invent this?

            Deny it.

            Please, can you state that you are NOT affiliated with "Seventh Day Adventist" church?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So muslim of you, to take that tone with me.

            You can't show why it's relevant.
            You can't show why Romney's LDS membership is an issue.

            You can't show much. All the money and research you're doing is coming up as wasted, isn't it? You want to know why? You're simply not showing the things you know matter at all.

            What does it feel like to spend money and resources like you have and still come up with nothing but a mouthful of dust?

          • DogsHateRomney

            Roger responded: "So muslim of you,"

            HA! HA! HA!

            Roger, don't be an internet reletivist-secular joke.

            Roger, whether we discuss Islam, LDS, or your "Seventh Day Adventist" church:

            ALL have their roots in the same mechanism. It is the relativistic system of Satan.

            Moreover, dear one, your religion blinds you to siding with the same relativist philosophy that alters the goal posts according to man's whim.

            The Word of God (Bible) never changes to suit YOU, or, man.

            That winnows your heresy.

            God’s Word is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. Your religion cannot make this claim. If you disagree, you are supremely biased as well as intellectually dishonest.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So much hate, so much propaganda.

            Christianity does not have the same roots or mechanisms as islam.

            You're showing your slimy underbelly here.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Hey dog, why not go ahead and post the comments you wrote and deleted?
            Are you a slimy snake in the grass that got carried away before your handler made you pull them?

            "Roger: (quote) "You're showing your slimy underbelly here. "

            CITE it. – QUOTE me, in context, 90,000 post Roger.. "

            When you say Christian Churches based on the Judeo Christian values our founding father's lived by and counted on when they set this country up, you compare that to the same mechanism as islam and don't' see why that makes you look slimy?

            And this one?
            "Crafty Roger obfuscation[ob-fuh-skeyt, ob-fuhs-keyt]"

            You're the one trying to inject Romney's personal church membership as important while ignoring Obama's muslim heritage that does matter. You selectively apply a religious litmus test that was always rejected by our constitutional values, and then you pretend I'm the one side stepping the issue?

            You are a troll, I don't know hat you are, but you are not what you pretend to be here.  

          • DogsHateRomney

            Roger says, "You are a troll,"

            The LORD deal with you.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            He does, moment by moment.

            And I'd be lost without it.

            And can you say that with all the trolling you do?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            My my, so troll of you.
            You can't show that any religious litmus test is constitutional so you try it with me here?

            You just can't get around the fact that your agenda here of smearing Romney isn't working.

            And I'm not even a Romney supporter.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Hey doggie doo.

            So, can you show that religion is a fair litmus test for elected office?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Hey doggie doo, So, can you tell us?

            Why does religion have any part of elected office?
            Why does my religion (boy, it must have cost someone money to dig that information up, why don't you disclose if media matters funded that research?) have anything to do with your failed attacks and smears against Romney?

            So troll of you. So muslim friendly in tactics.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Are you dishonest?

            You are using muslim friendly tactics. It's not something you should mind my saying, not if you're not above using them.

          • DogsHateRomney

            Replying to Roger: – Are YOU "Seventh Day Adventist" church?

            YES. or, NO.

            WHY deny it?

            Those who follow Adventism closely know that the last two decades have been characterized by a deep internal conflict which has divided the denomination…

            ……..why are you shifting the blame, Roger?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And why are you so desperately losing this debate that you want to inject a straw man argument?

            What is so important about trying to spin this false attack on Romney and the start of a division among evangelicals that you are grasping at straws to find wedges where none exist?

            If you can't find fault with my logic, then you stoop to the next lowest level, attack the messenger. You're still an obvious troll.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why did you delete this post?

            "Roger responded: "So muslim of you,"

            HA! HA! HA!

            Roger, don't be an internet reletivist-secular joke.

            Roger, whether we discuss Islam, LDS, or your "Seventh Day Adventist" church:

            ALL have their roots in the same mechanism. It is the relativistic system of Satan.

            Moreover, dear one, your religion blinds you to siding with the same relativist philosophy that alters the goal posts according to man's whim.

            The Word of God (Bible) never changes to suit man.

            God’s Word is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. Your religion cannot make this claim. If you disagree, you are supremely biased as well as intellectually dishonest. "

            Did it have that cleric 'tone' to it?

          • DogsHateRomney

            Roger, are you dishonest?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Doggie doo, are you a muslim friendly troll using opposition research to silence dissent in the upcoming election? Even when it's used against private citizens?

            Who is funding your posts? And Patriothere, and wee wee, and other trolls who are posting information about me? And why do you think after all these posts that I'm going to be controlled at this point in things?

            You liberal marxists are all the same, not everyone will tolerate being shoved around. I'm going to push even harder to find you and trounce on your propaganda in this forum.
            Thanks for the encouragement to stick with it!

    • blamb61

      If you want to know about the LDS church go to LDS.org and not some other non-official site.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        This isn't really about the LDS church.
        This is about a wedge that religious bigots plan on using.
        The opponents of JFK did this to him too, the name on the church is just a name on the church to them.

        It's not a legit issue, not really. Not when 'thou shalt not lie' is part of their ethics. That's why Obama's mulsim heritage is important.

        • DogsHateRomney

          Replying to SDA Roger: "This isn't really about the LDS church. This is about a wedge that religious bigots plan on using. The opponents of JFK did this to him too, the name on the church is just a name on the church to them. It's not a legit issue, not really. Not when 'thou shalt not lie' is part of their ethics. That's why Obama's mulsim heritage is important. "

          Roger (86,000 Intense Debate posts) has an adherence to un-biblical and extra-biblical doctrines and practices. Roger refuses to deny his Seventh-day Adventist Church position.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            My my, doggie doo.

            You're deleting so many of your comments. You're making this thread look like swiss cheese is has so many holes in it.

            What's wrong? Your tactics just not holding up well? Don't you have a chance to get new handlers that might use different talking points? Are you waiting for new opposition research on me? Why not ask me about my first car, or my first house? You really think digging into my life is going to shut me up at this point?

            You can't show a single time I didn't have a Bible text for why I took the positions I did when religion was involved. What other parallel profiles are you trying to work on this forum? If you're not dishonest, you shouldn't have a problem with putting that list out.

          • DogsHateRomney

            .
            Roger, (86,000 Intense Debate posts) WOW!

            Roger refuses to deny his Seventh-day Adventist Church position.

            WHY is THAT?

            Roger never responds IN GOOD FAITH to CONTENT or SUBSTANCE,

            …..(see thread),,,Such requires FACTS, and appealing to One's intellect .

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Doggie doo, why is it you never argue anything of substance for me to reply to?

            And why is my religion even relevant here? If you disagree with something I've quoted from the Bible, just explain why I'm wrong in a substantive way.

            You can't do that. You're just sticking to your muslim friendly tactics and trying to make it a personal attack. So 'troll' of you. Are you going to delete that comment too?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    You sound so nervous. You're not still carpooling to work with Iranian nuclear scientists are you?