Electrified RNC: ‘We Can Do This’

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It took the second day of the Republican convention in Tampa for the fireworks to go off. Condoleezza Rice got a rise from the crowd, and Paul Ryan brought down the house. There were a number of themes, but the one that seemed most prevalent was that Romney and Ryan can win. This produced elation from the political right and left progressives noticeably shaken.

The night began with a peace offering to the convention’s numerous Ron Paul supporters in the form of a short Ron Paul video, lauding the longtime U.S. Senator, soon to be followed by a speech by Paul’s son, Rand. Paul supporters have been upset due to a disagreement with the Republican Party over the presidential nomination process.

Rand Paul’s speech included a number of issues, first of which was President Obama’s health care law. Paul stated that, after the Supreme Court ruling, “I still think it’s unconstitutional… The whole damn thing is still unconstitutional.”  He mentioned the “You didn’t build that” line that was the tag line of the previous night’s speeches and which was peppered throughout this second night. As well, he made a number of veiled references to his opposition of the Patriot Act, which appeared out of place at this convention but was red meat for his dad’s followers. “We should never trade our liberty for any promise of security,” he stated to large applause.

It seemed appropriate that, right after Rand Paul, a video presentation was shown featuring President George W. Bush along with a reference to the 9/11 attacks spoken by former First Lady Laura Bush.

Senator John McCain excoriated President Obama on actions regarding defense and foreign policy. He took issue with the Obama administration’s treatment of Israel (“a nation under existential threat”), Russia and China policy, the leaking of military secrets, and massive cuts to America’s defense. He stated that the President “missed an opportunity” regarding Iran and failed to protect Syrians from the Assad government, which he described as a “savage and unfair fight.” McCain spoke with the toughness that many consider was lacking in his personal run for President in 2008.

The issue of energy independence was only mentioned in passing the first night, but the issue was given a little more prominence on Wednesday. Tad True, the Vice President of Belle Fourche and Bridger Pipelines, located in Caspar, Wyoming, criticized Obama during his speech, stating that the President’s “policies are driving us away from energy independence, not towards it.” He spoke about “rebuilding a nation that can once again power itself” and that he believes Mitt Romney “understands that America needs that pipeline,” alluding to the Keystone Project that Obama shut down.

Senator Rob Portman of Ohio spoke of the differences between Governor Romney and President Obama. He stated that Obama hasn’t passed a budget in the nearly four years he has been in office. Portman said, in that same time period, “FDR and Truman won an entire war.” He reminded the audience that Obama “got zero votes” for his personal budget and called it a “lack of leadership.”

The Hispanic community was featured prominently Wednesday night, as it was the night before. Governor Luis Fortuno of Puerto Rico spoke, stating that “Freedom is the essence of who we are as Americans.” And Governor Susana Martinez of New Mexico spoke, voicing in Spanish, “En America todo es possible” (“In America everything is possible”). She said that, if President Obama can “take credit for government building small business, then he can accept responsibility for breaking his promise and adding $5 trillion to the national debt – because he did build that.”

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  • crackerjack

    Where was J.W Bush? One could have expected that the last great GOP leader and visionary before the world, nation and economy were destroyed by a Democrat would have a few words to say.

    • tagalog

      What's the "J" for? John? Jeb?

  • Chezwick

    Ryan brought down the house. My wife and I were imagining the reaction of THOUGHTFUL Democrats….you know, those few who could repress their hatred long enough to take a semi-objective listen to the Republican VP candidate. We're convinced the reaction was one of horror, as they compared Ryan's intelligence and inspirational oratorical skills with their own gaffe-prone, dementia-suffering Biden. They now know what we know, that the VP debates are going to be a veritable slaughter.

    • Jim_C

      I think Ryan's perhaps the best choice Romney could have made. Excellent candidate–probably the guy who should have ran for Prez (he, like the other younger faces, was probably waiting for 2016).

      But his budget was nowhere to be seen, his positions will haunt him, and Mr.Biden likely won't let him forget.

      • fightwarnotwars

        Well sure…. maybe if he hadn't lied about the factory in Wisconsin which actually closed while GW was still president.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Obama is responsible for the additional 5 TRILLION in debt.

          Who can balance a budget.

          Someone with a successful business background or a socialist "community organizer"?

      • Chezwick

        In case you didn't know it, Jim, at the current rate of spending, by 2020, we will be devoting a whopping 80% of federal outlays JUST PAYING INTEREST on the debt. Ryan's budget proposals were in fact far too timid,…and yet, to the Dems, content to break the bank and send the country on a financial death-spiral, they were monstrously radical.

  • Chezwick

    In 2004, when Obama gave the keynote address at the Democratic Convention, sounding so very moderate, articulate, intelligent and patriotic, I remember turning to my wife and saying "watch this guy, he could be President some day." I'll take some credit for being prophetic, but truth be told, I didn't have the slightest notion it would be in four short years, nor did I have a clue who he really was and how far left his politics were.

    Last night I had a similar notion, watching New Mexico's Governor address the Republican convention. Susana Martinez, the first Hispanic female Governor in the nation, was spell-binding. In particular, the story of her conversion from Democrat to Republican brought the house down. God forbid, but should Obama be re-elected, look for her to figure prominently in national Republican Party politics come 2016.

    • Jim_C

      I'll never understand this "far left" stuff regarding Obama. He governs somewhere between Nixon and Clinton. None of his positions are any more "left" than any democrat in the last 80 years; indeed, most of them are to the right.

      • Chezwick

        Au contraire Jim. Neither Nixon nor Clinton pushed the nationalization of healthcare…or of seizing GM from its rightful owners and passing it on to the UAW.

        • trickyblain

          Clinton pushed single-payer healthcare and lost. Nixon proposed universal health care — the first "employer mandate" no less — almost 20 times, all going down before Congress. Both proposals were far to the left of Obama's requirement that people buy from private companies.

          GM filed for Chapter 11 and even received debtor-in-possession financing. Hardly "far left" for assets to be sold off in a bankruptcy. The Canadian and United Auto Workers consist of 17.5% of the new GM ownership.

          • Jim_C

            Exactly. Nixon was quite to the left of Obama on domestic policy. On foreign policy, Obama is right there with Mr. Nixon, Mr. Clinton, and most obviously, Mr. Bush's second term (the one where he stopped listening to feckless special interest goons and started listening to professional adults).

            "Seizing GM," LOL. Cute construction, Chezwick! Worthy of Horowitz and his mentor, Alinsky.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        "far left?

        bill ayers
        rev. jerimiah wright
        saul aulinsky
        "black liberation" theology
        bowing to saudi kings
        blocking the Keystone oil pipeline to continue US dependence on Middle East oil

  • http://onfollowingchrist.wordpress.com Paul B.

    An historic night. We are approaching our national turning point, Lord willing. In one speech Ryan completely neutralized all the smear tactics of the filthy obama campaign. What does obama have now, except to get ever more desperate and alienate the middle? This election is going to see the spawning of Romney Democrats.

    The Dems are going to get down, because they know if they lose this it’s 16 years minimum of Republican rule. But they’ve effectively been disarmed. I also believe that Romney will show tonight how underestimated as a statesman he has been.

    • Jim_C

      What does Obama have now, you ask?

      Auto industry–saved
      Osama bin Ladin–dead
      Iraq War–over
      Iran–isolated
      N. Korea–isolated, missile failed
      Health care–passed
      Economy–rebounding

      You're not going to agree–but that's enough to hang his hat on, I'd say. It beats the so-far substanceless and easy vague platitudes of Romney's campaign.

      • JoJoJams

        Auto industry – You mean "GM saved" – and yet they are very close to bankruptcy yet again – poor management and union excess never addressed and dealt with since they got free money. Ford didn't take a bailout and they are doing just fine without the feds help.
        Osama Bin Laden dead – I'll give him that – even though the ball was set in motion by Bush. To use the big O's phrase against him; "You didn't build that!"
        Iraq war – +1 for your king
        Iran isolated – yep – to pursue their nuclear bomb aspirations unhindered, and let's not forget how O had the chance to support an uprising of students etc. against the mad mullahs, but Obama was silent and let it die.
        N.K isolated. he didn't build that. They've been "isolated" by every U.S. pres.
        Health care – the overwhelming majority of Americans DON'T WANT IT!!! And are pissed about it, since their own insurance has now gone up due to the mandates, and will only go up more.
        Economy – rebounding? What the heck planet do you live on? We're lucky if it's merely stagnant!

        • Jim_C

          Health care–the rest of the industrialized world looks in puzzlement at why having universal care is even controversial in this country. Americans overwhelmingly wanted health care reform; pure Republican obstructionism–after years of doing NOTHING about health care–made necessary the watered down special interest sop that Obama eventually passed (the first president to even achieve health care reform). It's a first step, and once Republicans decide to get over it, hopefully we'll adopt a system somewhat like the rest of the world (I am a big fan of the Swiss system and any conservative should be, too).

          Obama was very wise not to throw in with the students in Iran. As elsewhere in the ME, just because the current regime is anathema doesn't mean you want to get into bed with it's opponents. Mr. Romney's foreign policy won't look much different from Mr. Obama's, as Obama's doesn't look much different than Mr. Bush.

          Yep, economy rebounding, though reality is tough: it's a big bubble (bubbles?) we have to come out of. I'll be the first to say the Prez economic record is not great. He made a big mistake with the stimulus: he should have spent MORE, and he should have used ALL of that money to buy goods and services from the American private sector.

          • Omar

            How can you say that Obama's foreign policy was not much different from Bush's? Bush was much tougher on America's enemies and much more supportive of our allies than Obama. For you to make a claim that the two president's foreign policies were not that much different would be like saying that Reagan had the same foreign policy as Carter, clearly an erroneous claim. I would say that Romney's foreign policy would be a lot like Bush's.

          • Jim_C

            Omar, it's not even close to Reagan/Carter. The Carter comparison is for mush-heads who really WANT it to be true despite facts. Obama continued virtually all of Bush's foreign policy. And his targeted takedowns of terrorists has eclipsed Mr. Bush's record (for which Obama has been criticized by some on the Left, but not me).

            I give Bush credit for many things, the foremost of which is taking our Cold War-based foreign policy and giving it a strong counter-terrorism component. Where he erred, though, was in listening to some very foolish people in designing his Iraq operation with no clear goal and outlandish expectations of ease which will haunt them through history. Mr. Obama has allowed that to come to a close while bringing the troops home with honor, and he is to be commended for that.

            I wouldn't mind using Afghanistan as a sort of "live" training ground for our elite forces–the type of force Mr. Rumsfeld very astutely wanted to create prior to 9/11. We should be going in in small, lightning quick strikes, and taking out radical militant groups. Unfortunately, Mr. Rumsfeld's notion was superseded by his and Cheney's defense and energy contractor pals and we decided to do what conservatives have been known to rightly mock: to nation-build.

            Point being, we can't do anything to help Afghanistan outside of turning it into a parking lot. Eastwood was right; we should be out of there yesterday and leave a note that says "You're welcome."

  • Schlomotion

    They can do this! With enough bribe money and changing the election rules the whole way through the election, they can do anything.

    • Chezwick

      Your demagoguery reveals your sense of panic.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Shariamotion, Bribe money from OPEC, CAIR, George W. Soros, Michel MOOOOOre.

  • SFLBIB

    “I know we can do this” sounds too much like, "Yes, we can."

  • tagalog

    Yeah, why should the Democrats be the only ones who do that?

  • BLJ

    It is really nice to have adults speaking like adults to the American people. I think Romney will talk about cutting taxes tonight and his pro growth message. I like what I have been hearing.

  • Raymond in DC

    Two of the night's speakers were Portman and Pawlenty. Both decent and capable guys, but their speeches were flat and uninspiring. Ryan was terrific. Romney made the right choice.

  • fightwarnotwars

    Wow, your own beloved Fox News called Ryan's speech "Dazzling, Decieving and Distracting".
    I'll share with you the "Decieving" part –

    2. Deceiving

    On the other hand, to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold.

    The good news is that the Romney-Ryan campaign has likely created dozens of new jobs among the legions of additional fact checkers that media outlets are rushing to hire to sift through the mountain of cow dung that flowed from Ryan’s mouth. Said fact checkers have already condemned certain arguments that Ryan still irresponsibly repeated.

    Fact: While Ryan tried to pin the downgrade of the United States’ credit rating on spending under President Obama, the credit rating was actually downgraded because Republicans threatened not to raise the debt ceiling.

    Fact: While Ryan blamed President Obama for the shut down of a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, the plant was actually closed under President George W. Bush. Ryan actually asked for federal spending to save the plant, while Romney has criticized the auto industry bailout that President Obama ultimately enacted to prevent other plants from closing.

    Fact: Though Ryan insisted that President Obama wants to give all the credit for private sector success to government, that isn't what the president said. Period.

    Fact: Though Paul Ryan accused President Obama of taking $716 billion out of Medicare, the fact is that that amount was savings in Medicare reimbursement rates (which, incidentally, save Medicare recipients out-of-pocket costs, too) and Ryan himself embraced these savings in his budget plan.

    Elections should be about competing based on your record in the past and your vision for the future, not competing to see who can get away with the most lies and distortions without voters noticing or bother to care. Both parties should hold themselves to that standard. Republicans should be ashamed that there was even one misrepresentation in Ryan’s speech but sadly, there were many.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ry

    • BLJ

      Go worship your fading Obama poster in your childhood bedroom.

      • fightwarnotwars

        It's right next to my "Mission Accomplished" GW Bush one, remember that photo from when he "won" and ended the Iraq war?

        • BLJ

          Good for you, but you forgot to mention the Saul Alinksy poster as well. Oh, how do you feel about Obama telling the enemy in Afghanistan when we are leaving and giving them more courage to kill our troops?

          Save your holier than thou bullcrap from someone who cares.

          • fightwarnotwars

            You seem to care… I don't even know who Saul Alinsky is, it's you cons who seem to obsess about him and George Soros. I couldn't care less about either of those guys.

            "Oh, how do you feel about Obama telling the enemy in Afghanistan when we are leaving and giving them more courage to kill our troops? "

            The same way I feel about the Bush administration knowingly sending young men and women to die in a war built on lies cooked up by Cheney and his cronies.

          • BLJ

            Google Saul Alinsky and educate yourself. George Soros as well. You should care about "those guys".

            I really don't care what you think, I just find it sort of humorous how someone who comes on her as Mr I Know The Real Facts hasn't a clue about Alinsky and Soros.

          • fightwarnotwars

            Sorry, I don't see how Alinsky and/or Soros have any relevance with Ryan's fact-challenged speech to the RNC. Nor do I get why they should matter to me just because I know for a fact that GW Bush administration was a complete failure, Obama's isn't doing a whole lot better, and Romney/Ryan one would make things even worse. Nice try though.

          • BLJ

            You still don't get it. If Obama wins in November we all lose. Get over your fixation on GWB. He is no longer President. Or did you miss that memo?

          • fightwarnotwars

            You still don't get that Republicans have no chance of ever winning the Whitehouse again unless they change. They're platform is outdated and exclusionary, America is a different place now.

          • BLJ

            Don't count your chickens before they hatch. The novelty of voting for the first "black" President out of some misguided guilt has worn itself out. Comrade Obama will get nowhere near the same amount of votes from these people.

            Obama also made a ton of empty promises that the morons who bought into them have not received. The free ride never came and these people are not happy about it.

            The young vote will not come out in the same force either. This is a very fickle base to begin with. No jobs after graduation has a tendency to sour certain folks.

            Finally just admit that your are a Obama supporter in sheep's clothing. The other person you are fooling is yourself.

          • fightwarnotwars

            must really drive you nuts that not all of us are so driven by partisanship…
            not everything in this world is so "black and white" (no pun intended) my friend.

            Romney and Ryan have a better chance of being presidents of the Gingrich lunar colony that they do of ever reaching the White House.

          • BLJ

            Yeah I guess you are right. We should all just accept that the Dear Leader is going to get re-elected. I mean how could two quality people like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan have a chance against a great man like Obama.

            I think your obsession with thinking GW Bush is still President has caused the last two brain cells you have to go on vacation. Hope is gone and Change is coming. Better learn to live with it.

    • Jim_C

      Outstanding takedown–from Fox, no less!

      Yeah, Republicans' very tenuous relationship to reality is going to bite them.

      • Omar

        These leaders are hardworking and they inspire others to succeed. They were all great, especially Gov. Luis Fortuno. Despite MSNBC's attempt to block the speakers' messages from the TV network, the speakers succeeded. And no, the "tenuous relationship" actually works very well. What the left hates the most is prominent conservatives, particularly minority conservatives like Fortuno standing up to the left and discrediting the left's identity politics.

    • Stephen_Brady

      Our beloved Fox News …

      From the Wikipedia:
      Previously, Kohn was Senior Campaign Strategist with the Center for Community Change, where she served as co-Director. She also previously served as Executive Director of the Third Wave Foundation. Kohn held a program fellowship at the Ford Foundation, helping to manage more than $15 million in annual grants. She was also a distinguished Vaid Fellow at the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force Policy Institute. Kohn has consulted at organizations such as the Urban Justice Center. She was also a strategic adviser to the Social Justice Infrastructure Funders.

      She's a lefty, through and through. I believe her about as much as I believe Juan Williams and Allen Colmes, who are also on FOX.

      • fightwarnotwars

        Well, her personal/political opinions aside, I bet you can't point out a single thing she is referencing as "false". Facts are facts my friend, politics aside.

        • fightwarnotwars

          yeah… you go ahead and give me the "thumbs down" it still doesn't make it less true… Republicans have nothing of substance to run on. And given how incompetent Democrats are, this was Republicans election to win, but they won't because they're just as corrupt and incompetent. It's just one big circus.

        • Joseph Klein

          Actually, many of the so-called lies she alleged against Ryan were not lies at all. For example, the GM plant Ryan referenced closed down completely in April 2009 – during Obama's term. Production of SVUs was halted in December 2008 but other vehicles continued to be produced into 2009. Apparently Obama's GM "rescure" did not reach this plant.

          Ryan mentioned over-spending not only by Obama but by prior presidents and called for changing the ways in Washington.

          Ryan voted against the final recommendation of Obama's budget deficit panel because he didn't think it went far enough. But Ryan's point in his speech last night was that Obama walked away from even the more modest recommendions of his own panel.

          As to the lowered credit rating,while S&P placed blame for the impasse on solving the rising debt problem on both parties it happened under Obama's watch and he failed the leadership test. Ryan has at least presented a long-term budget plan to deal with both entitlements and tax reform. Obama has presented nothing except budgets so bad that the democratically-controlled Senate voted the last one down 99-0.

          These are the facts and they are not good for Obama.

          • fightwarnotwars

            Nice try Joe…. but you are still wrong. On the two issues of which there are no "doubts" here are some facts:

            On the GM plant:

            "By December 2008, when President George W. Bush authorized nearly $14 billion in loans to General Motors and Chrysler, both of which were near financial collapse, GM had already warned it might close the Janesville plant because of sagging sport-utility vehicle sales. The plant was effectively shut down on Dec. 23, 2008, when GM ceased production of SUVs there and laid off 1,200 workers. (Several dozen workers stayed on another four months to finish an order of small- to medium-duty trucks for Isuzu Motors.) So, the plant closed while Bush was still in office, about a month before Obama was inaugurated."

            On the S&P rating:

            The S&P's own statement on the downgrading of U.S. credit rating:

            "Compared with previous projections, our revised base case scenario now assumes that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, due to expire by the end of 2012, remain in place. We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act. Key macroeconomic assumptions in the base case scenario include trend real GDP growth of 3% and consumer price inflation near 2% annually over the decade."

          • fightwarnotwars

            By the way…. Ryan and Romney opposed the auto-bailout…. but know they want to place the blame of a GM plant closing on the Obama admin… wouldn't they have had them closed or sold off as well since the opposed the bailout… which is it?

          • fightwarnotwars

            Ryan also requested and got stimulus money for his district, and then lied about it –

            "In 2009 and 2010 Ryan sent at least five letters to Energy Secretary Steven Chu and Labor Secretary Hilda Solis seeking stimulus grants for two Wisconsin energy conservation companies (here’s Ryan’s letter to Chu). One company got $20.3 million from the Energy Department, the AP reported."

            How you like them apples?

          • fightwarnotwars

            yeah… the truth hurts don't it?

          • Chezwick

            Do you typically prevaricate when postulating your political opinions? Below is the ACTUAL Standard & Poor statement on the US downgrading. The blame is laid squarely on "the growth of public spending – ESPECIALLY ON ENTITLEMENTS…"

            Are you actually suggesting that REPUBLICANS are the chief impediment to scaling back the entitlement state???

            "We lowered our long-term rating on the U.S. because we believe that the prolonged controversy over raising the statutory debt ceiling and the related fiscal policy debate indicate that further near-term progress containing the growth in public spending, especially on entitlements, or on reaching an agreement on raising revenues is less likely than we previously assumed and will remain a contentious and fitful process."

          • fightwarnotwars

            Nice chop up job, you can read the full statement at S&P's website….

            The quote is still there, issued by them:

            "Compared with previous projections, our revised base case scenario now
            assumes that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, due to expire by the end of 2012,
            remain in place. We have changed our assumption on this because the majority
            of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise
            revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act. Key
            macroeconomic assumptions in the base case scenario include trend real GDP
            growth of 3% and consumer price inflation near 2% annually over the decade."

          • fightwarnotwars

            you can find the whole thing here – http://www.standardandpoors.com/ratings/articles/

            But I guess you conservatrives can pick and choose the parts you like and leave out the ones you do like… kinda like you do with the Bible and the U.S. Constitution.

          • Chezwick

            Whop is doing the picking and choosing here? It's obvious that the OVERALL reason for the downgrading of the US credit rating is the massive deficits and resulting accruing debt that have defined the Obama White House. To blame the REPUBLICANS for trying to reign in such deficit spending…is patently absurd.

            As for tax increases, the government could raise the corporate tax rate to 90% (which would result in a tidal wave of capital flight that would effectively KILL the economy)….and doing so STILL wouldn't balance the budget! Hardly the answer.

            The only answer to saving this country is the systematic dismantling of the entitlement state that drives our debt/deficit problem. Which party is the impediment to THAT, eh?

          • fightwarnotwars

            Ok, keep telling yourself that. Have fun.

          • Chezwick

            My God….do you actually believe S&P would have downgraded our credit rating if the Republicans had failed to raise the debt ceiling…but our debt was 30% of GDP instead of 100%??? The problem is the extent of our debt, NOT Republican attempts to reverse it!

            But who would expect a liberal to grasp basic economics? Friend, we could have an honest debate over what constitutes an appropriate rate of taxation, but until liberal/lefties like yourself admit we have a spending problem, we'll never climb out of the hole we're in.

          • amused

            Nice sidestep Chezwick ,not raising revenue is what S&P caused the credit downgrade. Yea there's a spending problem , and it wont be solved by the party of NO -no compromise , no bi-partisanship.The debt ceiling has been raised in every previous Adsmin , and would have been raised in this one ANYWAY . Republican Brinkmanship with the US economy is what caued the downgrade.

          • Chezwick

            Nonsense. The downgrade was because our debt to GDP-ratio went from 70% under Bush to close to 100% under Barry in 3 short years. The debt trajectory has unsettled investors….and everyone else, including the credit-raters…and the debt ceiling fight was just a symptom, not the disease.

            Meanwhile, how remarkable that a flaming lib like yourself has acknowledged we have a spending problem. Any ideas on how to deal with it?

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          fightsocialism, "Facts" are your friend?

          Socialists in San Fransicko don't like Free Speech.

          Russia and China backing the Assad family dictatorship where 20,000 have died?

    • Chezwick

      Fallacy: While Ryan tried to pin the downgrade of the United States’ credit rating on spending under President Obama, the credit rating was actually downgraded because Republicans threatened not to raise the debt ceiling.

      Fact: The credit downgrade was based upon debt-to-GDP ratio, chronic and massive deficits, unfunded liabilities and other financial factors. To suggest that it was based solely on Obama's debt-ceiling fight with Congress is downright dishonest.

      Fallacy: Though Ryan insisted that President Obama wants to give all the credit for private sector success to government, that isn't what the president said. Period.

      Fact: The President was explicit. "They didn't build that." All your (and his) temporizing and contextualizing doesn't change a thing.

      Fallacy: Though Paul Ryan accused President Obama of taking $716 billion out of Medicare, the fact is that that amount was savings in Medicare reimbursement rates (which, incidentally, save Medicare recipients out-of-pocket costs, too) and Ryan himself embraced these savings in his budget plan.

      Fact: You left out the word "projected" savings in Medicare reimbursement rates. This is a total canard, lapped up by the credulous. While waste and fraud have defined Medicare/Medicaid since its inception (and almost every other government program, for that matter), we're supposed to believe that under Obamacare, the problem will be magically solved, with the savings in the $ hundreds of billions. Those among us with common sense have a very healthy skepticism in this regard. Our expectation is that because Obamacare will vastly expand government involvement in healthcare, there will be THAT MUCH MORE waste and fraud in the future.

      • trickyblain

        "Fact: The President was explicit. "They didn't build that." All your (and his) temporizing and contextualizing doesn't change a thing."

        Context is a bad thing if you're trying to distort.

        ""If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

        So the questions is, what is the "that"? It's more than obvious he's talking about roads, bridges, schools, the American system.

        Telling when the slogan for the RNC is based on a total falsehood.

        • Chezwick

          The context is unequivocally CLEAR. GOVERNMENT is responsible for your success. Why are you running away from the obvious intent of the statement?

          Meanwhile, it could just as easily be argued that you NEVER started a business because a plethora of public school Teachers from Kindergarten to High School were negligent and DIDN'T prepare you for life….or that excessive taxation and regulation made you walk away from your dreams as unrealizable.

          Those who DID have the courage and determination to strike out in the face of such obstacles deserve ALL the credit in the world. They did indeed "make that happen."

          • trickyblain

            Yes, they made their business happen. Nobody is arguing that. And they deserve admiration for it. But let's not get too carried away about "obstacles." I drove by hundreds of thriving businesses on my 10 minute commute home. There are many, many "low reg/low tax" countries on this planet that offer 1/1,000,000 the opportunities we have here.

            It's not black and white. The gov't is not responsible for ALL success and it's dishonest to claim that people are arguing otherwise. And a private individual who takes a start up and builds it into a billon dollar company did so on the shoulders of many thousands of people before him. It's called the human condition – why we have writing and pictures — we learn from others and hope others can learn from us. We all take advantage of the roads and bridges the President talked about, and complain when we hit a pothole, but the vast majority of us had no role in building them (unless — gasp — we work for the public). Everyone who has achieved success in this nation owes those who come next the same opportunities.

          • Chezwick

            "We all take advantage of the roads and bridges the President talked about, and complain when we hit a pothole, but the vast majority of us had no role in building them (unless — gasp — we work for the public)."

            This statement encapsulates your blind-spot, just as Obama's statement encapsulated his. Fact is, anyone who paid taxes had a "role" in the building of these roads and bridges. The money didn't come from GOVERNMENT, it came from business owners and their employees, whose productive endeavors made the roads and bridges possible…either through the purchase of bonds or direct taxation.

            But today, it comes mostly from borrowed money…borrowed from our children and grand-children, so that WE can live well, so that WE don't have to sacrifice, so that WE don't have to do without. THEY will be stuck with the tab…forced to pay not only for their own necessities, but for ours.

            How can you possibly be a willing part of that? How can you possibly believe that it can be corrected with tax increases? If we taxed businesses 90% of their income, it still wouldn't balance the budget. What it WOULD do is induce capital flight and the certain impoverishment of our country.

            I wish to God you liberals could stop for just a moment and take stock of reality. But doing so would require a re-ordering of all your basic assumptions. You'd prefer the delusions of a borrowed prosperity….and a %15 trillion debt becomes $16….soon to be $17….and on and on, until that fateful day, probably inside of a decade, when creditors no longer believe in our ability to repay our debt, so they stop buying it. Then what?

            Than, as our last resort, we will print money….bringing on the hyper-inflation that is a sure sign of a country's death spiral.

            Mitt Romney may or may not be able to reverse this eventuality, but with Barak Obama in power four more years, the eventuality is a certainty.

            God help us.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          trickysocialism,

          Record unemployment and gas prices will torpedo Obamas second term.

          I do hope that Dhimmi Carter (Worst President EVER) speaks at the DNC to remind people of his failure and friendship with every socialist dictator in the Western Hemisphere.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      fightsocialism.

      Happy Eternal Nakba!

  • patriotwork

    Yahoo! was in full damage control mode, as part of the Obama Media Network. Michelle and the kid this summer (distraction). Ryan got his facts wrong(impartial fact-checker, of course). The Teaparty doesn't like Romney(even the Republicans disagreed with their own ideas and their candidates).

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      If Obama tries to run on his record of "accomplishment", he loses.

      If desperate Obama runs a dirty campaign, he loses.

      Ryan .vs. Biden? Ryan wins

      Romney success .vs. Obama socialism? Romney wins.

  • amused

    AND LET THE LYING BEGIN:
    GOP vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan took a swipe at President Barack Obama on Thursday for failing to rescue a General Motors factory in his Wisconsin congressional district, calling it “one more broken promise” on the Democratic administration’s record.

    “I remember President Obama visiting it when he was first running, saying he’ll keep that plant open,” Ryan said during a campaign stop. “One of the reasons that plant got shut down was $4 gasoline. You see, this costs jobs. The president’s terrible energy policies are costing us jobs.”

    The attack has already received a fair amount of ridicule because the Janesville, Wis., plant actually closed during the last year of George W. Bush’s presidency. What hasn’t really been emphasized is whether Ryan clearly knew this and made the charge nonetheless.

  • amused

    Ryan doesn't believe in fact checking OR the TRUTH :
    Ryan got off a few good zingers: “College grads shouldn’t have to live out their 20s in childhood bedrooms, staring up at fading Obama posters.” He didn’t mention that he opposed legislation to keep student loan rates from doubling. His remarks about his childhood were slightly moving. He talked about losing his father at 16, and he called his mother, who went back to school and to work after that, his role model. But he never mentioned the Social Security death benefits that let him go to an out-of-state school. Occasionally he seemed to be going after swing voters, rather than his hard-right base, taking a more in sorrow than anger tone about Obama’s failings. Then he’d mix things up with nastiness and lies. / from Salon

  • amused

    And McCain , jumps in tp add to this liars fest :
    In his speech tonight, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) decried Obama for cutting defense, saying, “We can’t afford another $500 billion in cuts to our defense budget — on top of the nearly $500 billion in cuts that the president is already making…And yet, the president is playing no leadership role in preventing this crippling blow to our military.”

    There’s just one problem: John McCain, and most other Republicans in the House and Senate, voted for the cuts in question.

    The Budget Control Act, passed as a condition for Republican support for raising the debt ceiling last summer, contains a 10 percent across-the-board cut in defense spending – the cut that McCain was referencing. It comes out to $30 billion in cuts next year and $510 billion in cuts over the next ten years. The cuts were included in the event that the so-called “SuperCommittee” did not agree on a plan that reduced the deficit by $1.5 trillion. That committee failed, and now the fallback cuts are due to take effect at the end of the year.

  • amused

    Yes "Electrifying " LIES –
    Here is a list of five lies that Ryan told when he gave his speech at the Republican National Convention last night. Every single news outlet should report on these lies.
    1. Lie: President Obama is the “greatest threat” to Medicare.
    Truth: Obama didn’t make any cuts to Medicare benefits; he made cuts to provider reimbursements, to improve cost efficiency and extend the fiscal security of Medicare by eight years. According to the Medicare actuary, “[Obama’s] Affordable Care Act makes important changes to the Medicare program and substantially improves its financial outlook.”
    But Ryan actually does want to cut benefits. He proposed dismantling Medicare and replacing it with a voucher system, leaving millions of seniors to come up with more money to pay for care out of pocket.
    2. Lie: President Obama didn’t save a General Motors plant in Wisconsin.
    Truth: First, Obama wasn’t even in office when the GM plant closed. Second, Obama never made a promise to save it.
    -cont'd-

  • amused

    3. Lie: President Obama ignored recommendations of a bipartisan debt commission.
    Truth: Paul Ryan actually sat on that commission. And he led Republicans in voting down the commission’s own recommendation. So the commission never gave a report to Obama, because Ryan himself voted to kill the report before it could.
    4. Lie: President Obama is responsible for the downgrading of the U.S. Credit Rating
    Truth: House Republicans, including Paul Ryan, held the full faith and credit of the United States hostage to try to ransom it for trillions of dollars in cuts to social programs without increasing taxes on the wealthy one dime. Standard & Poors said specifically, “We have changed our assumption on [revenue] because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues.” That’s why our nation’s credit rating was downgraded.
    -cont'd-

  • amused

    5. Lie: Ryan wants to protect the “weak.”

    Truth: Ryan’s biggest feat in his political career was proposing a budget with dramatic cuts to programs benefiting the poor. He’d cut Medicaid by one third, take away health care insurance from 30 million Americans, and cut Pell Grants for 1 million students. All so that he could give more tax breaks to the rich.

    Yup , Post Intelligent America / Post intelligent RNC Convention .

  • amused

    Now you can bury the thread

  • Tanstaafl jw

    Republicans will work. Obama will play golf. Pretty easy decision.

  • Asher

    Watch as the left Implodes and Self destructs. They keep grasping and switching to any subject they think they can divide people on or deceive people about, a sign that they are out of ideas, truth, or solutions to solve any problem…..